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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Mar 8, 2023

Operator

Good morning and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Stella-Jones Fourth Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will hold a question-and-answer session. Instruction will be provided at that time for you to queue up for questions. If anyone has any difficulties hearing the conference, please press the star followed by zero for operator assistance at any time. I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded on Wednesday, March 8th, 2023. Please note that comments made on today's call may contain forward-looking information, and this information, by its nature, is subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from the views expressed today. For future information on these risks and uncertainties, please consult the company's relevant filings on SEDAR.

These documents are also available in the investor relations section of Stella-Jones' website at www.stella-jones.com. We have also prepared a corresponding presentation which we encourage you to follow along with during this call. I will now pass the call over to Éric Vachon, President and Chief Executive Officer of Stella-Jones. Éric?

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Thank you, Julie. Good morning, everyone, thank you for joining us today. I'm here with Silvana Travaglini, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Stella-Jones, we thank you for joining us for this discussion of the financial and operating results for Stella-Jones' Fourth Quarter ended December 31st, 2022. Earlier this morning, we issued our press release reporting 2022 fourth quarter and year-end results. Along with our MD&A, it can be found in the investor relations sections of our website at www.stellajones.com and will be posted on SEDAR today as well. As a reminder, all figures expressed on today's call are in Canadian dollars unless otherwise stated. I will begin today's call by providing a business update before turning the call over to Silvana for a more detailed financial review.

I will conclude the call with a progress update on our 2022, 2024 goals before opening the floor to your questions. I'm proud this morning to begin the call by stating that 2022 was a year of exceptional performance for Stella-Jones. The company generated robust financial and operating results and, in doing so, demonstrated and reinforced its leading position as a key player in the industrial infrastructure product space. We achieved total sales of CAD 3 billion, up 11% from nearly CAD 2.8 billion last year, and our EBITDA increased 12% to a record CAD 448 million. 2022 represents the 22nd consecutive year that Stella-Jones has posted an annual sales increase, which speaks to our resilient business model and the strong fundamentals in which it is anchored.

Our sales growth was largely attributed to the strong performance of our infrastructure-related product categories, namely utility poles, Railway Ties, and industrial products, which all met or surpassed our targets. Allow me to briefly review the performance of our product categories in 2022. Our utility poles product category delivered exceptional results throughout 2022, with sales growing to CAD 1.2 billion compared to sales of CAD 925 million last year. Utility pole sales benefited from strong market dynamics and the contribution of our accretive acquisitions. On an organic basis, utility pole sales increased by over 20% in 2022. Our pole procurement team rose to the challenge this past year, leveraging relationships to meet growing customer demand and laying down the foundations to access new procurement areas.

We're currently seeing significant investments being made by utility companies to ensure the infrastructure will support North America's future needs, and we expect this trend to continue. Utilities are investing to maintain their current networks, facilitate increased broadband network use, support demand generated by electric vehicles, and build newer and stronger lines, all while looking to their supply partners for long-term commitments. On the railway tie front, sales reached CAD 750 million in 2022 compared to sales of CAD 700 million last year, an organic growth rate of 4%. Railway tie sales benefited from sales price adjustments to cover higher costs, but Class I volumes pulled back year-over-year. Procurement in the latter part of 2021 and the first three quarters of 2022 was challenging.

The tightness in untreated railway tie availability drew down our dry inventory position. This resulted in a rise in untreated tie costs, and we progressively passed these costs through to our customers. Capacity usage also increased given the long production cycles when treating ties that are not completely dried, a process also referred to as Boultonizing. On a positive note, more untreated ties became available in Q4 2022 and in the first month of 2023. At the current rate of procurement, untreated tie inventories will be replenished by mid-year with optimal dry inventory levels being reached in the second half of 2023. This will in turn reduce the number of Boultonizing charges and open opportunities to address more customer demand, which is being driven by steady railroad maintenance and ongoing infrastructure spend.

Industrial product sales grew to $143 million compared to $121 million in 2021. The organic increase of 15% was mainly attributable to higher demand for industrial products such as piling, timbers, and bridges. Our industrial product category perfectly complements our rail and utility offerings and will benefit from infrastructure public spending. Sales for residential lumber pulled back this year to $744 million in 2022 from $773 million last year, but did not pull back as much as expected. Residential lumber sales continued to benefit from above normalized pricing levels in 2020. Our residential lumber product category supports select customers that recognize the value of Stella-Jones' premium lumber program and complementary products and services.

Over the years, we have proven our ability to keep retailers and big box stores well supplied, which in turn has enabled our customers to grow their market presence. On the acquisition front, 2020 was the first full year of contribution from our Cahaba acquisition, which was completed in Q4 2021. Cahaba, now known as the Stella-Jones Briarfield facility, is a well-established producer of treated wood poles and engages in raw material procurement at its treating operations in Alabama. The facility's performance far exceeded our expectations this year, contributing to our sales growth in utility poles. Accretive acquisitions remain an integral part of Stella-Jones' growth. In 2022, we continued on this path with the purchase of the wood utility pole manufacturing business of Texas Electric Cooperatives, or TEC, in Jasper, Texas.

TEC joining our fold, added a 43rd wood treating facility to our network and further expanded our capacity to supply the growing needs of North American utilities. This mark our second wood treating facility in the state of Texas, the second-largest economic region of the United States. We expect TEC to enable us to leverage the economies of scales while expanding our customer base. North American demand for utility poles is strong. As mentioned earlier, we expect it to continue to grow in the coming years. As we prepare for this growth, securing fiber is top of mind. With this, I'm pleased to announce that Stella-Jones acquired IndusTREE Pole & Piling in February 2023 for a consideration of $12.5 million.

IndusTREE is specialized in procuring, peeling, and drying SYP poles and is a great addition to our existing networks of pole peeling facilities. We continue to consistently seek accretive acquisition opportunities that will support our growth for our current businesses as well as expand product offering for our infrastructure customers. In addition to being underscored by robust operating and financial results, 2022 also demonstrated the resilient nature of our business model, as well as Stella-Jones' capability to deliver outstanding performances amidst challenging macroeconomic conditions. The global economy continues to wrestle with inflationary cost pressures, fluctuating commodity prices, and supply chain constraints. Regardless of these trying circumstances, I'm proud to say that Stella-Jones was able to meet demand and can continue to serve our loyal customer base. This can be attributed to a number of factors.

First, Stella-Jones benefits from long-standing procurement relationships. Our skilled and resourceful procurement teams were especially diligent in securing the fiber needs to meet demand, which enabled us to continue to provide essential products to our customers. Second, our contractual sales agreement structure continued to provide us with the ability to pass through cost increases, which helps us insulate from rising costs, particularly important in the current inflationary climate. Finally, our expansive North American presence places us in a unique position to serve our customers both efficiently and cost-effectively based throughout Canada and the United States. The ability to continue to deliver value and returns to shareholders in 2022 is another indication of a resilient model and solid business fundamentals. We ended the year better positioned than ever to continue our growth trajectory, and I look forward to what is still ahead to come.

Before I turn the call over to Silvana, I want to provide an update on ESG. We are mindful of how our operations impact the planet and the communities in which we operate. As a result, we continue to prioritize ESG consideration across all facets of our business. We were pleased with our efforts in 2022 to better our ESG approach and are dedicated to continuous improvement of our sustainability and health and safety practices through ongoing learning, training, and data collection. I look forward to the publication of our next ESG report later this year, where we will be sharing our five-year strategy along with the targets for the metrics we track.

One notable ESG event in 2022 was the completion of our very first solar panel installation at our railway tie manufacturing facility in Clanton, Alabama. This installation, which was commissioned a few weeks ago, is already meeting its target of 70% coverage of the facility's electricity requirements. This is the first of several solar energy conversions we are planning and an important step on our path to sustainability, of which we are very proud. I will now hand the call over to Silvana Travaglini, who will review our financial performance in more detail.

Silvana Travaglini
SVP and CFO, Stella-Jones

Thank you, Éric, and good morning, everyone. Today, we reported net income for the fourth quarter of CAD 36 million or CAD 0.61 per share, compared with CAD 22 million or CAD 0.34 per share last year. For the full year, net income was up 6% to CAD 241 million from CAD 227 million in 2021. Earnings per share was CAD 3.93, an increase of 13% compared to CAD 3.49 in 2021. During the fourth quarter, we generated sales of CAD 665 million, up from CAD 545 million for the same period last year. Sales in the fourth quarter benefited from a 17% organic increase in infrastructure related sales, the contribution of our acquisitions, and a favorable currency impact.

The 17% organic growth of infrastructure-related sales was largely fueled by higher pricing. Utility pole sales were up 27%, railway tie sales increased in the low single-digit range, and industrial product sales grew by 20%. Residential lumber sales were down slightly compared to the same period last year, and this was largely attributable to lower volumes. As Éric mentioned earlier, in 2022, the company achieved total sales of CAD 3.1 billion, up 11% from last year. Sales from our utility poles product category, which accounted for 40% of total sales in 2022, were largely driven by an organic growth of 21%. Approximately 75% of the organic sales increase was due to higher pricing, with 25% making up increased volumes to cater to the strong demand.

Railway tie sales accounted for 24% of total sales in 2022, up 4% from last year, an increase that was entirely attributable to higher prices. Volumes were lower year-over-year due to the reduction of the maintenance program of certain Class I customers . Sales in residential lumber accounted for 24% of total sales. The pullback in sales of 5% in 2022 was attributable to both lower pricing and volumes. Finally, industrial product sales represented 5% of total sales and were up 15% from last year. 65% of the increase was due to higher volumes.

In 2022, we realized a record fourth quarter EBITDA of CAD 87 million compared to CAD 65 million in the fourth quarter of last year, representing a margin of 13.1% versus 9.5% in 2021. The increase in absolute dollars and as a percentage of sales was primarily attributable to pricing gains outpacing cost increases for certain infrastructure-related product categories, as well as the improvement in the EBITDA of residential lumber compared to the marginal EBITDA generated in the fourth quarter of last year. Residential lumber's results in Q4 of 2021 were impacted by the drop in demand in the second half of the year and the resulting higher cost of inventory on hand.

For the year, we generated CAD 448 million of EBITDA, representing a 12% increase over last year and a record for the company. The EBITDA margin was relatively unchanged at 14.6% compared to 14.5% last year, reflecting the company's ability to optimize its operational efficiencies and cover all cost increases. Adjusting for other losses, which were largely related to the retirement of idled equipment, we achieved an EBITDA margin closer to 15% in 2022. During the fourth quarter, we invested CAD 136 million in inventories, acquired TEC, continued to make capital expenditures to maintain and expand our operating assets, and returned capital to shareholders.

The significant increase in inventory in the last quarter of the year was to replenish, in part, our untreated tie inventory, given the availability, increase log purchases to meet the growing utility pole demand, and build the seasonal residential lumber inventory. We consider this an investment in our ability to continue to provide service to our customers and meet demand when many in the industry could not. For the year, the company generated cash from operations of CAD 255 million. Our solid cash flow generation is how Stella-Jones delivers value to shareholders. In 2022, we returned CAD 230 million of capital through share buybacks and payment of dividends.

During the year, the dividend paid to shareholders amounted to CAD 0.80 per share, representing an 11% increase compared to 2021. As part of our normal course issuer bid, we repurchased approximately 4.7 million shares for CAD 181 million. We ended the year with a net debt to EBITDA ratio of 2.5 times, which is within our stated expectations. In line with our commitment to return capital to shareholders, yesterday, the board of directors declared a quarterly dividend of CAD 0.23 per share, representing an increase of 15% over the previously quarterly dividend, and we continue to repurchase shares under the current NCIB program as announced last November. We hold a strong financial position and ended the year with available liquidity of nearly CAD 260 million.

Subsequent to year-end, we announced that we amended the terms of our Farm Credit facility to increase the amount available by $200 million and extended the term of the revolving facility to March 2028. The ability to amend our credit facility at attractive terms is a testament to the strength of our business, especially given the current macroeconomic environment. In summary, our strong financial performance has set us up well to meet our capital requirements and to remain on track in achieving our growth objectives in 2023. With that, I will now pass it on to Éric for his concluding remarks. Éric?

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Thank you, Silvana. Last year, we laid out financial objectives for the three-year period from 2022 to 2024. Our performance this past year positions us well to meet or exceed these targets. From a sales perspective, we benefited from strong demand on the utility pole side and better than expected residential lumber sales to push us to the high end of our guidance. While we are pleased with these results, we're still working towards the sales mix that we have forecasted. We have targeted infrastructure-related product categories to comprise between 75% and 80% of our total sales. We are on our way to attain this objective, having achieved this target in the fourth quarter and being just under 70% in 2022.

Given the organic growth in utility poles in 2022, which is projected to continue into 2023, as well as a contribution from our recent TEC acquisition, we fully expect to exceed our current sales goals for utility poles. For residential lumber, our three-year plan is targeting for sales to represent between 20%-25% of total sales. While residential lumber sales for 2022 remain above projected levels, the relative portion of residential lumber sales decreased to meet our target range. Given the current market condition of lumber, we continue to expect residential lumber sales to pull back and stabilize to deliver between $600 million-$650 million on an annual basis. The forecast for utility pole growth CapEx stood between $90 million-$100 million.

Over the last 18 months, we committed to equipment purchases and spent CAD 33 million of this envelope in the past year. We have successfully changed three treating cylinders, increasing our Douglas fir network treating capacity by 15%. We will benefit in 2023 from the production of two new SYP pole peeling and drying facilities starting mid-year. As Silvana mentioned during her remarks, we returned CAD 230 million of capital to shareholders in 2022, which is just under half of the target we outlined of between CAD 500 million-CAD 600 million. Our EBITDA growth in 2022 has translated to more free cash flow and debt leverage opportunities that we have wisely used to the benefit of our shareholders.

In 2023, we look to build on our achievement from this past year to support future growth of our infrastructure product categories, continue to return capital to shareholders, and achieve our margin goals. We look forward to providing more details in that regard at our inaugural Investor Day, which we will be hosting on May 25th in Toronto. 2022 was a momentous year for Stella-Jones in terms of performance, which would not have been possible without the effort, expertise, and dedication of our employees all across North America, all of whom understand the importance of delivering the best for our customers every day. For this, I say thank you. This concludes our prepared remarks. Thank you for your time, and we will now open the line for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, should you have a question, please press the star followed by the one on your touchtone phone. If you'd like to withdraw your question, please press the star followed by the two. If you're using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from Walter Spracklin from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

James McGarragle
Senior Equity Research Associate, RBC Capital Markets

Hey, thanks for taking my question. This is James McGarragle. I'm on for Walter this morning. Congrats on the quarter, and hope everyone's keeping well.

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Thank you, James.

James McGarragle
Senior Equity Research Associate, RBC Capital Markets

I just wanted to ask a question on your utility pole guidance. Again, you said you expect that to exceed your prior targets. That was a high single. You know, I know your competitor last week, they were talking about potentially pole sales up as high as 30%. You know, that's a pretty big discrepancy between, you know, above high single.

You know, is what your competitor said, is that consistent with what you're seeing early in the year? If you're able just to provide a little bit more color on, you know, what you meant by exceed, high single-digit growth?

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Yes, certainly, James. Well, thank you for the question. You know, first, our organic growth in 2022 was just over 20%, actually 21%. As, as I just mentioned in my last comment, we expect this organic growth to continue through 2023. You know, we will be supporting that growth with the Industry acquisition as well as the new pole peeling yards that will be online this year. We've secured the, we've secured the procurement aspect of it, and we are also seeing the demand, you know, increase at, or to be at that level from our customer base.

James McGarragle
Senior Equity Research Associate, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Just to clarify, the organic growth of last year should apply then again into 2023?

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Yes. Yes, exactly.

James McGarragle
Senior Equity Research Associate, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Okay, perfect. Then on the acquisition pipeline, can you provide a little bit of an update on what you're seeing there? I know it seems like there's a lot of opportunity in poles and, you know, you're investing organically heavily there. Is that gonna be the focus and more organic investment on the pole side, or could we potentially see a pickup in M&A activity in 2023 as well?

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Ideally, it would be a combination, and I say ideally because, you know, we cannot dictate the rhythm of, of M&A. You know, rest assured, as I mentioned, we keep seeking accretive acquisitions, and we are continuing the discussion with potential targets. I would like to think that we could, you know, support our future growth with, you know, organic and M&A. The 20% growth, just to be clear, does not include, you know, speculation on any M&A. This would be totally off of our current footprint and in capital investment.

James McGarragle
Senior Equity Research Associate, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. I appreciate the color, and I'll turn the line over. Thank you.

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Thank you so much.

Operator

Your next question comes from Hamir Patel from CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Hamir Patel
Executive Director of Equity Research, CIBC Capital Markets

Hi. Good morning.

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Good morning, Hamir.

Hamir Patel
Executive Director of Equity Research, CIBC Capital Markets

Silvana. Morning. Silvana, I just wanted to clarify one of your comments on annual, for annual 22 pole performance. Did I hear you right that 75% of the gain there was price? Any visibility you could give us on for the fourth quarter, how much of the increase there was price versus volume?

Silvana Travaglini
SVP and CFO, Stella-Jones

Yeah. You're correct, Hamir, in that 75% was pricing, relatively the same percentage in the fourth quarter, maybe just a little bit higher. You know, basically, you know, the volume piece is really just getting limited by the capacity constraints. We're pretty much selling everything that we're able to produce in trees.

Hamir Patel
Executive Director of Equity Research, CIBC Capital Markets

Okay, great. Silvana, would you happen to have the price volume splits for ties and res lumber in Q4 as well?

Silvana Travaglini
SVP and CFO, Stella-Jones

For ties, it's completely, it's all pricing. Volumes were slightly down, both in the quarter and year-to-date. For residential lumber for the, for the quarter, it's all volume pricing. It was pretty much in line with last year's Q4. Year-to-date, I would say mostly volume, pricing was down, but not as much as the volume.

Hamir Patel
Executive Director of Equity Research, CIBC Capital Markets

Okay, great. Thanks. That's helpful. Éric, I wanted to ask about on the res lumber business, I believe you mentioned kind of the sales there trending to CAD 600 million-CAD 650 million over time. Is that a range you would expect in 2023? You know, what sort of price deflation would you expect? 'Cause I know one of your major big box customers is kind of pointing to flat volumes in 2023.

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Yeah, correct. Yes, the CAD 600-650 would be our expectation for 2023. You know, we base our forecasting based on the 2x6 off of Random Lengths. You know, year-over-year, we're seeing a reduction in that pricing close to 15%. You know, Canadian dollars delivered Montreal, if you're gonna do the math. You know, also keep in mind that there's an accessory portion, you know, in those sales, which is driven mostly by composite products, which that is not pulling back and obviously, you know, is following current inflationary trends, if you want.

Hamir Patel
Executive Director of Equity Research, CIBC Capital Markets

Okay, great. Just the last question I had, Éric, just on poles and ties, you know, what sort of pricing pass-through trends are you seeing in 23, just given, I know there's a lag there on the pass-throughs and just how raw materials fared in recent months?

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Right. For Railway Ties, we're seeing the price of untreated ties sort of level off. There's still slight increases, so we'll see a bit more adjustments to our customers in the next quarter, maybe the next two quarters of maybe a percent or two as far as we can tell at this point. At that point, hoping that the current procurement trend continues, I'm hoping we'll be able to see a bit of a stabilization in the entire market. For utility poles, we had price increases at different times through 2022. The first aspect is obviously, increases from the second half of last year will be benefiting the first half of this year.

We're still seeing some price increases, you know, generated by the, you know, our contracts for inflationary adjustments, for example, which we would see materialize in our pricing in 2023. Pricing will definitely be part of that organic growth, but definitely volume as well.

Hamir Patel
Executive Director of Equity Research, CIBC Capital Markets

Great. Thanks. That's all I had. I'll turn it over.

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Pleasure. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Benoit Poirier from Desjardins Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Benoit Poirier
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Hey, good morning, Éric. Good morning, Silvana, and congrats for the strong finish.

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Thank you, Benoit. Good morning.

Benoit Poirier
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Just to look at the Railway Ties regarding the incident that had taken place at Norfolk Southern, was Stella-Jones affected in any way? Do you believe that this could lead to a potential future uptick in track maintenance from Class I looking forward to 2023 and beyond?

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

First, just, you know, to be clear, Stella-Jones is not being tied to, you know, the unfortunate in-incident that happened, you know, on their tracks. Secondly, I think our railroad customers are all very much focused on the quality of the maintenance of their network as well as, you know, the safety of the train. Unfortunate incident, you know, could it sort of recenter some interest to, you know, ensure that, you know, maintenance is sustained. You know, I don't think we would see an uptick in sales. I think our customers do a good job at maintaining their networks.

Benoit Poirier
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Okay. Perfect. Silvana, you mentioned some color about the inventory tie replenishment that will be going through mid 2023. How should we look at working cap going into 2023 on the back of this inventory replenishment for Railway Ties? If you could share some color about the market dynamics with the sawmills and the pricing for untreated ties, that would be great.

Silvana Travaglini
SVP and CFO, Stella-Jones

Yeah. I n terms of the, uh, capital, um, investment, uh, in inventory expected in 2023 , I mean, it could go as high total for the company could go as high as a hundred million. So, you know, part of that is, as you mentioned, and as Eric mentioned, is the replenishment of the dry, um, of the untreated tie inventory. The costs are stabilizing, so we wouldn't be expecting any significant i ncreases there, at least not on the tie side.

T he other big piece of the inventory build that we would be expecting in 2023 is for the pole.

With the continued increase in demand to support, you know, the sales that we're seeing, and the sales growth that we would be expecting, you know, we would also be expecting to invest more in the purchases of logs this year. I would say those are kind of the two main factors. Residential lumber, you know, we're not seeing any significant, any insignificant swings. You know, there might be, you know, a little bit less costs, but nothing significant.

Benoit Poirier
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Okay. what about CapEx range for 2023, Silvana?

Silvana Travaglini
SVP and CFO, Stella-Jones

For 2023, we would expect, at least for the growth piece, you know, as we mentioned, we already spent about $30 million of the $100 million. We'd expect probably the remaining 60% of the remaining in 2023 and the rest in 2024, in addition to the typical $50 million-$60 million range that we're still seeing in 2023 for our regular CapEx.

Benoit Poirier
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Okay. Perfect. Just from an EBITDA margin standpoint, if we remove the, some other losses for the year, your EBITDA margin was just under 15%. Now, given your comments about Boultonizing, reduced contribution from residential lumber going into 2023, how should we look at the margin, going in 2023?

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

I'll give the first part of the answer, Silvana, you can chime in. Benoit, we were still targeting the 16%. I mean, the Boultonizing piece, it is using more cylinder climb. I can't say that the cost impact is that much important. We do have a pass-through on that additional cost in our contracts for the Boultonizing piece on the railway tie side. I don't feel that, you know, that would impact our margin percentages. You know, I feel quite optimistic about us being able to achieve the 15% level starting this year.

Benoit Poirier
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Perfect. That's great color. Thank you very much.

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

My pleasure, Benoit.

Operator

Your next question comes from Michael Tupholme from TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Michael Tupholme
Equity Research Analyst, TD Securities

Thanks. Good morning.

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Morning, Mike.

Michael Tupholme
Equity Research Analyst, TD Securities

I'm gonna pick up on a few of the things that have already been discussed. A couple clarifications and then some additional detail maybe. Just to be totally clear, Éric, for poles in 2023, is the suggestion that you think organic growth can be somewhere in and around that 20% range, kind of broadly consistent with what you did in 2022?

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Correct.

Michael Tupholme
Equity Research Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. Perfect. Then I know the visibility as we go further out gets more challenging, but if we think about, you know, beyond 2023, would you be guiding us back to that high single-digit range as we look beyond this year? Has there been sort of a, you know, has the entire sort of view shifted upward in terms of what you think you can do in this business organically?

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Mike, for now, I'll stick to our high single-digit because that's what we had in our, you know, current guidance. you know, we'll be providing some more color at our Investor Day on May 25th. You know, we're currently doing the deep dive. we'll be 1.5 years into our current goals, and I think it'll be an opportune time for us to discuss a bit more of the long-term views. as I stated earlier in my comments, you know, we see our utility customers continue to invest, looking for long-term partnerships. you know, we have some visibility, you know, several years out with certain customers right now, and they're looking to tie up Stella-Jones' ability to supply, to be able to, you know, to realize their projects.

It'll be an interesting chat on May 25th as we expose more. As well, we'll have our senior team also talk to utility poles instead of, you know, me expressing it. You'll hear it from our senior team as well.

Michael Tupholme
Equity Research Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. That's helpful. I look forward to that detail. Just in terms of the mix or the composition of this growth you expect in poles in 2023, is that expected to be broadly similar to what you saw in 2022 in terms of 75% driven by price and the balance volume?

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

I would think so, yes. The volume aspect is consistently growing with very solid dynamics. Obviously, the pricing comes into play when, you know, you're in a market dynamics where there's more demand than supply. Definitely, you know, a good assumption would be to use the 75/25 going forward for 2023.

Michael Tupholme
Equity Research Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. When we think about the demand side, I think in your prepared remarks, you called out some of the factors that are driving demand. There's, you know, aging poles need to be replaced as a baseline and perhaps a step-up in that level of replacement activity. You called out broadband network expansion initiatives and growth in EV demand, hardening of the grid. When we think about all of these things, are all of those contributing to demand, you know, to the fullest potential already in what we saw in 2022? Or things like broadband network expansion and EV demands, like, is that gonna drive further growth as we look out further, or is that all happening right now?

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

They're not all driving at the similar level, right? The replacement cycle, because of aging infrastructure is, you know, at the forefront of the demand. Broadband expansion is something we've been hearing about a lot in the last two years, and we're seeing those volume demands actually materialize now. I believe, you know, we'll see more of that going forward. Electric vehicles and hardening of the network, I just think that demand has still some potential growth going forward. Some of these projects will also be supported by infrastructure spend by governments that we haven't necessarily seen the full or very actually not much of the impact so far. There is the U.S. bill obviously for infrastructure.

We're also hearing about the Canadian government that's looking to invest in infrastructure. You know, we hear it through our partner, the Electricity Canada, that the government is very much interested in ensuring that there's a resilient network in Canada. That will also bolster demand going forward.

Michael Tupholme
Equity Research Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. Do you think that, you know, through the various tuck-in acquisitions you've been able to do and others that maybe could come forward as well as, I just, I suppose maybe availability improving within in terms of fiber within the pole business. Like, are you gonna be able to sort of fully capitalize on that demand? Or do you think that, you know, there's strong demand drivers, but some of the supply side constraints are gonna limit the ability?

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Our plan is to meet every single part of the demand, we can. You know, so we, well, we did the acquisition of IndusTREE earlier this year to secure some fiber supply on the pole side. You know, we embarked in our CapEx growth for utility poles last year. You know, to be transparent, we sort of were seeing these dynamics, and I'll thank the board of directors for supporting management in our views and, you know, supporting the CapEx spend. You know, as I also mentioned, we'll have two new pole peeling and drying yards online by mid-year. You know, more to come. Obviously, M&A will support it.

You know, we're pulling all the levers right now that we can to address the demand. Our team is completely focused on this organic growth opportunity that we're seeing. It's, for us to seize, we're very well-positioned. We've got a great North American footprint. We can build upon that to, you know, add capacity, add, you know, pole peeling and drying yards or procurement, as well as in Canada as well. We're working on another project in BC to be able to support more fiber procurement. You know, we can follow up in future conference calls how we're progressing on that because it will be key to our ability to maintain this leadership position we are currently have in the market.

Michael Tupholme
Equity Research Analyst, TD Securities

I know. That's, that's helpful. Yeah, I know clearly you're doing everything you can to put yourself in a position to meet that demand. I guess just shifting over to Railway Ties. If you look ahead to 2023, can you talk about what you expect to see from a volume perspective there? It was flattish in 2022. I guess more specifically, any indications from your Class I and non-Class I customers in terms of CapEx and what they're looking at for 2023?

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

In 2022, we actually saw a slight pullback in Class I customers. Looking into 23, we see similar volumes right now. There are some demand dynamics that are strong, especially in the non-Class I market. I guess our bottleneck is really the procurement piece. As I mentioned, we're seeing more availability, you know, in the last, let's say, four months. We're very pleased with that. We're replenishing our inventory levels. Now it's a question of, you know, how soon will we get the dry inventory to service our customers and, you know, continue to Boultonize our tires that are not dry to service clients. You know, we're very closely monitoring our procurement and inventory levels.

Our first priority is to service our current contracts with Class I and some commercial customers that also have a few, you know, multi-year contracts. We need to honor our engagements there. We're looking to optimize the opportunity, I guess, in the commercial business where we do see healthy demand. In the back half of the year, if things continue on this trend, we'll be able to capitalize, and there might be some volume, but I guess I'll confirm it on our next call. For now, if I summarize it for 2023, you know, volumes are flat, and we'll see some pricing uptick as we're catching up on our pass-throughs.

Michael Tupholme
Equity Research Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. That's all very helpful. I'll get back in the queue. Thank you.

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Thank you. Thank you, Mike.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, should you have a question, please press the star followed by the one. Mr. Vachon, there are no further questions at this time. Please proceed with your closing remarks.

Éric Vachon
President and CEO, Stella-Jones

Well, thank you, Julie. Thank you everyone for joining us today. We look forward to speaking with you on our next call in early May with our first 2023 earnings call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for joining, and you may now disconnect your lines.

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