Earnings Call: Q3 2015

Oct 29, 2015

Earnings release

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Suncor's Third Quarter 2015 Financial Results Call and Webcast. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Steve Douglas, Vice President, Investor Relations. Mr. Douglas, please go ahead. Well, thank you, Melanie, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Suncor Energy Q3 earnings call. With me here in Calgary are our President and Chief Executive Officer, Steve Williams and Alastair Cowen, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. A legal advisory regarding forward looking statements, I'd ask you to note that today's comments contain forward looking information that actual results may differ materially from expected results because of various risk factors and assumptions described in our Q3 earnings release as well as our current AIF and the offer to purchase and takeover bid Circular dated October 5, 2015. All of these are available on SEDAR, EDGAR and suncor.com. There are certain financial measures referred to in these comments and they're not prescribed by Canadian GAAP. For a description of these, please see our Q3 earnings release. After our formal remarks, we will open the call to questions from the phone lines. I'll now hand over to Steve Williams for his comments. Good morning and thank you for joining us. We have a lot to talk about this morning. What I'd like to do is start by reviewing our performance in the quarter. I'll then take a few minutes to talk about Suncor's offer for Canadian Oil Sands Limited. But first, our quarterly results. Suncor delivered strong operational and financial results once again in the Q3, and we took significant steps to profitably grow the company. As everyone knows, we remain squarely focused on operating our assets well, allocating capital in a disciplined manner and profitably growing the business. And in this quarter, we continue to make meaningful progress on all three fronts. Our operating results in the quarter were very strong. At our oil sands operations, we produced over 400 and 30,000 barrels per day, including 315,000 barrels per day of synthetic crude. It was the 3rd consecutive quarter in which we've reached 90% throughput on our upgraders, we also continued our trend of steadily reducing costs. Oil Sands operating costs declined to CAD27 per barrel or just over CAD20 per barrel. That's the lowest level since 2,007. Record in situ production at an average cash cost of just above dollars coming in at $12.55 per barrel contributed positively to our results. And we achieved these production and cost thresholds despite several weeks of planned maintenance in September. We also saw strong results from exploration and production in Q3. In the UK North Sea, Buzzard continued to operate reliably and Golden Eagle recorded its 1st full quarter running at nameplate capacity. Together, they produced 67,000 barrels per day during the quarter at an average operating cost of just under $6 per barrel. On the East Coast of Canada, we completed plant maintenance at Terra Nova and continue to see natural declines at White Rose and Hibernia. Nevertheless, we remain on track to meet our production guidance for the 1st year. In the Downstream, we enjoyed one of our best quarters ever. We recorded average utilization rates of 96% at our refineries and took advantage of strong crack spreads and location differentials to generate near record earnings and cash flow. With the recent announcement of the final approval for the reversal of Line 9, we were able to commence line fill this month, and we expect the 1st pipeline shipments of inland crude to reach the Montreal refinery before year end. This represents the potential for significant economic uplift for our downstream, which is already a consistent industry leader in profitability. During the Q3, we maintained our unwavering focus on capital discipline. We executed extensive planned maintenance in both the upstream and downstream. We continue to drive our major growth projects forward according to plan, and we managed the associated capital spending well within our budget. This helped us generate free cash flow once again in the 3rd quarter, even after investing more than 900,000,000 of growth capital and despite a Brent oil price that averaged just over $51 per barrel for the quarter. Turning to profitable growth, I'm very pleased with the progress on our Fort Hills project. Engineering is now over 95% complete, and construction is approaching the halfway point as we continue to target first oil in Q4 of 2017. In September, we announced the acquisition of a further 10% working interest in the project, bringing our ownership share to just under 51%. This transaction is a great fit with Suncor's profitable growth plans for a number of reasons. We originally established a joint venture structure for Fort Hills in order to effectively manage the financial risks associated with a $15,000,000,000 project. We are now 2 years into construction, and we're tracking to plan on all major milestones. We believe that the project execution risk has been significantly mitigated. And so we seized a strategic opportunity to increase our working interest. The cost to Suncor for the additional 10% working interest will be approximately $1,000,000,000 That equates to about $56,000 per flowing barrel, a significant discount to the expected overall project cost of 84 $1,000 per flowing barrel that we announced at project sanction. As a result, the acquisition has good standalone economics and also improves Suncor's overall project returns. And of course, moving to a 51% working interest gives Suncor majority interest in Fort Hills and strengthens our governance role on the project. It was about this time last year that we were finalizing our goals for 2015. Oil prices were in free fall, but we were looking to maintain our track record of improving reliability and growing production whilst accelerating cost reductions. With 3 quarters now on the books, we're delivering on each of these goals. We've been working to steadily improve the reliability of all the sands upgraders with a goal of averaging 90% throughput by 2017. Year to date in 2015, we've managed 94% upgrading throughput, including planned maintenance downtime in both the second and third quarters. This compares to 84% throughput for the same period in 2014. On the production front, year to date, we've increased total upstream output by over 9% versus 2014. At Oil Sands operation, our year to date synthetic crude oil production is up by 12%, and our overall production has increased by 9% versus 2014. We expect our total production to finish the year squarely in the middle of the guidance range, which of course, we revised upwards in the Q2. We anticipate all production areas to be within their respective guidance ranges with the exception of Syncrude, which is likely to fall short of guidance due to the Q3 impact of the fire in August and continued operational challenges in the month of October when it has been operating at approximately 60% of capacity. With crude prices at the low end of the cycle, cost management is more important than ever and we've continued to steadily reduce our costs on both the per barrel basis and an absolute basis. At Oil Sands, our cash operating costs are down by over 17% year over year from $33.55 per barrel in the 1st 9 months of 2014 to $27.80 per barrel in the same period of this year. On an absolute basis, Oil Sands cash costs were down over $300,000,000 or 9% year over year, and that's even though we've substantially increased production. We have not made further reductions to our Q2 guidance of which was 28 to 31 per barrel on Oil Sands cash costs. But given the positive trend in our performance, we would expect to be at the very low end or possibly slightly below that range. We're meeting or exceeding our goals on reliability, production, cost management and growth. And that adds up to very strong financial results. So I'll now turn the mic over to our CFO, Alastair Cowen, to provide some color on our financials. Thanks, Steve. During the Q3, we were faced with the lowest average oil prices we've seen in over years. Brent oil averaged just over US51 dollars per barrel for the quarter and WCS, the Canadian heavy crude market averaged just under US33.25 dollars per barrel. Nevertheless, as Steve has said, we did post some solid financial results, thanks to strong reliability, careful cost management and the strength of our integrated business model. We generated cash flow from operations of $1,900,000,000 and free cash flow of $146,000,000 after growth capital of $923,000,000 Now that brings our year to date totals to $5,500,000,000 of cash flow and $875,000,000 of free cash flow after $2,700,000,000 of growth capital spending. The Refining and Marketing segment accounted for 42% of our cash flow as our refineries operated at 96% utilization rates, and we took advantage of a very favorable downstream pricing environment. As Steve said, we've continued to take costs out of our business. In January of this year, we committed to $600,000,000 to $800,000,000 of reductions in operating expenses over a 2 year period to offset inflation and reduce overall costs. We've made significant progress against that goal. During the Q3, our total operating, selling and general expense declined by 11% versus Q3, 2014. On a year to date basis, our OS and G expense is down by $864,000,000 or 12% even with our significant production increases. While we're certainly benefited from lower commodity prices this year, we've also made great progress in managing controllable expenses and taking structural costs out of the system. We estimate that 2 thirds of the savings we've achieved to date are sustainable and we're working to identify further opportunities as we finalize our budgets going into 2016. When we set our cost reduction targets last January, we committed to reducing our 2015 capital spending program by $1,000,000,000 Our updated capital guidance range $6,200,000,000 to $6,800,000,000 for the year reflected that $1,000,000,000 reduction. Our capital discipline efforts proved very successful in the first half of the year, and we were able to lower the guidance range in Q2 by a further $400,000,000 We have continued to realize significant savings through a combination of capital efficiencies, deferrals and cancellations of non critical projects. As a result, we now anticipate that our year end capital spending come within a reduced guidance range of 5,800,000,000 to $6,400,000,000 even after accounting for the additional capital spending associated with the purchase of a further 10% interest in the Fort Hills project. Importantly, we've been able to manage our capital spending down without compromising our goals around profitable growth or operational excellence, which includes safe and environmentally responsible operations. We have completed extensive planned maintenance across our asset base, and we continue to fund significant growth initiatives that are expected to deliver production and cash flow growth through the end of this decade. Obviously, this performance is helping us to maintain a very solid balance sheet. Our net debt to cash flow is running at 1.4x and our gross debt to capitalization is 27%. This reflects the impact of the lower Canadian dollar on the translation of our long term U. S. Dollar denominated debt. We finished the quarter with $5,400,000,000 in cash and undrawn lines of credit of $6,900,000,000 for total liquidity of over $12,000,000,000 And of course, we continue to earn a strong investment grade credit rating. Our healthy balance sheet and cash position are what have enabled us to increase the return of cash to shareholders. We continued that practice in Q3. In September, we made the 1st quarterly dividend payment to shareholders at the increased rate of $0.29 per share. And during the quarter, we reinstated our share buyback program, repurchasing and canceling over 1,200,000 shares at an average price well below our current trading value. Securities regulations have required us to suspend the buyback program for the duration of the Canadian oil sands offer process, but we aim to pick out where we left off upon completion of the offer and subject to market conditions the commitment we made to repurchase $350,000,000 worth of Suncor shares by the end of Q1 2016. Returning cash to shareholders remains a key element of our strategy. It's critical to focus to our focus on capital discipline. Over the past 5 years, we have grown our dividend by 190% and have repurchased and canceled over $5,000,000,000 of sunk cost, representing approximately 10% of the outstanding shares. As we move into the final 2 months of 2015, we are driving to meet or exceed our targets for this year, while finalizing stretch goals for 2016. And of course, we're focused on completing the growth transactions we have announced in the past few weeks. Moving forward, you can be confident that we will stay true to our principles of managing the base business well, applying strict capital discipline and investing in profitable growth. And with that, I'll pass it back to Steve Douglas. Well, thanks, Alastair, and thank you, Steve. Just a few further notes on the quarter. As everyone knows, crude prices were falling sharply. As a result, we have a LIFO FIFO impact net after tax and expense of CAD 274 1,000,000 in the quarter. And that brings the total for the year to an after tax expense of CAD209 1,000,000 The dollar also weakened, the Canadian dollar and so there was a net after tax expense to us on FX of CAD786 1,000,000 in the quarter, bringing the after tax cost of our U. S. Dollar denominated debt to CAD 1.55 5,000,000,000 year to date. Stock based comp was CAD 77,000,000 after tax expense, bringing the year to date number to an expense after tax of CAD175 1,000,000 As Steve Williams mentioned, we have updated our guidance. In keeping with our standard procedure of not making changes unless we expect to materially outside the guidance range, there are only a couple of revisions to note. One is the international tax rate change, which has dropped to 10% to 15 percent and that's as a result of tax credits received for exploration drilling in Norway. And we've also reduced the pricing assumptions for the various marker crudes to reflect the actual lower numbers year to date and the lower forward curve through the end of the year. That wraps up our review of the 3rd quarter performance. But before we open the lines I'm going to turn back to Steve Williams to provide some comments on our offer for Canadian oil sands, which was made on October 5. Thanks, Steve. And this is a bit of a departure from our standard call format, but I thought it was important to separate my comments on our offer for Canadian Oil Sands from our commentary on the Q3. I did not want our strong Q3 results to be lost in the discussion of the proposed transaction. That said, the Canadian Oil Sands offer is an important development for Suncor, and I'm pleased to be able to provide some insights on it this morning. Since we announced our offer on October 5, we've had the opportunity to talk to the majority of the reporting shareholders of Canadian Oil Sands. They understand Canadian Oil Sands is facing a risky and uncertain future, and they acknowledge the value of what we put on the table. And just to recap, that's a 43% premium to Canadian Oil Sands pre offer closing price, a 45% cash dividend uplift and an all share deal that enables a tax deferred rollover and participation in the potential upside associated with owning Suncor Shares. And that includes the impact of any increase in oil prices as well as the value we expect to create as owners of a much larger stake in Syncrude. These investors also recognize Suncor's track record on operational excellence, capital discipline and profitable growth. They know that we've generated over $10,000,000,000 in free cash over the past 4 years and that we've returned the majority of it to shareholders through dividends and buybacks, while continuing to invest in long term sustainable growth. Now I'd like to take a few minutes to comment about our offer and address some of the key questions that have been raised in the past few weeks. So firstly, I just mentioned the impact on Suncor Shares of any increase in oil prices. If you go back and look at correlation to oil price over almost any historical period, you'll find that Suncor enjoys a very similar upside to Canadian oil sands, but of course, far less downside when oil prices fall. And that's due to the integrated strategy. We think that should be very attractive to Canadian Oil Sands Investors in what we and many others believe is the new business reality of a lower for longer oil price environment. Secondly, Suncor has the same information as Canadian Oil Sands and every other Syncrude owner. All material information we are aware of regarding Syncrude has been made public. Canadian Oil Sands actually chairs the Syncrude committees where this information is tabled. And Canadian Oil Sands, of course, has a much lower materiality threshold than we do. So if there were any such information, presumably Canadian Oil Sands would have disclosed it. Thirdly, Suncor is actually offering to pay more for Canadian oil sands than we recently paid for 10% increased working interest in Fort Hills. If you do the math based on Syncrude's actual historical production, we are offering 67.5 $1,000 per flow in barrel at Syncrude for Canadian ore sands versus the $56,000 per flown barrel we paid for our additional ownership stake in Fort Hills. So roughly speaking, that represents a 20% premium. However, we do recognize it's difficult to compare the 2 transactions on a cost per flow and power basis before because Fort Hills will produce a high quality premium bitumen, while Syncrude produces synthetic crude oil. We value an asset on its free cash flow profile. Fort Hills is a brand new asset with operating costs and sustaining capital costs that are expected to be significantly lower than those of Syncrude. And frankly, depending on the assumptions you make, Fort Hill's margins and free cash flow could well exceed those of Syncrude. And finally, our offer reflects the full and fair value of all of Canadian Oil Sands assets and liabilities. There's been a great deal of speculation around Suncor's offer and our willingness to increase our offer. And I'd like to make 4 points on this topic. The first one, oil prices have sharply declined in the 6 months following Canadian Oil Sands rejection of our initial offer. More importantly, the outlook for oil prices is much more bearish as reflected by a forward strip on pricing. It is clear to us that we need to manage our business with the assumption that low oil prices will be with us for the next several years. Secondly, the Syncrude asset has continued to underperform. In the Q3, it ran approximately 67% and average production so far in the 4th quarter has further declined from this level. Thirdly, at this time, there is no competing offer or alternative that we are aware of. Fourthly, Suncor with its integrated model, diversified portfolio and strong balance sheet can handle the risk of a lower for longer price environment and or continued operational challenges at Syncrude. But Canadian Oil Sands with its single asset exposure and a high debt rating only 1 notch above speculative is in a precarious position. We believe Canadian Oil Sands shareholders need to take these facts into account when they consider the Suncor offer. We think our offer delivers our Canadian Oil Sands shareholders significant immediate value, strong upside potential and considerable downside protection, which they otherwise lack. In short, we believe our offer represents full and fair value and a compelling opportunity for Canadian Oil Sands shareholders. And we would like to see Canadian Oil Sands shareholders decide for themselves on its merits. Well, thank you, Steve. I'm now going to ask Melanie to open up the line for questions. Thank you. We will now take questions from the telephone The first question is from Greg Pardy of RBC. Please go ahead. Yes, thanks. Thanks. Good morning all. Steve, just a couple of questions. The first one is just with respect to that 94% upgrader utilization rate that you mentioned. So what's different about this year than last year? And does it does the performance this year then cause you to rethink that 90% target utilization rate longer term? Thanks, Craig. We've been on this journey of operational excellence now for the best part of 10 years. And one of the characteristics we've tried to have with sort of all humility is to be very straightforward on what our expectations are, but with an air of conservatism. So this to be quite frank that we are sort of understating and over delivering. We are, if you remember, part of the getting to the 90 and above utilization rate was to move to 5 year turnaround cycles and to go through 2 of those cycles in order that we could pick up through inspection all of the maintenance that would need to be done with our new operating regime. And we go through the final second turnaround of that cycle next year with Unit 2. So in summary, it's been a long program. It's been very focused and we had in house objectives to get to higher levels, but the guidance we issued was 90. So I am in fact, let me just talk about for a second and it will give you a clue about the potential trajectory. If you look, we went through a very similar program with our refineries and we have rerated upwards 3 of the 4 refineries. What we're finding with the upgrade is a very similar program of rigorous discipline is working and delivering. What you're seeing is a trend, not just an aberration. So we do expect it to go up. And my belief is that 'ninety will prove to be too conservative. But it is a principle we established that we wanted to understate and overdeliver. So it is that long term focus and relentless focus that's got us there. And there have been clearly to get to those sorts of levels, you need months where you're above 100% and we have seen that. Okay. Thanks for that. And maybe the second one is just with the Line 9B reversal now essentially in place, can you just remind us what the uplift, the annualized uplift in cash flow is that you expect there from Montreal? Yes, I mean, what I'll do is just give you the math so you can do it yourself if you like. We put 50,000,000 barrels a year through the Montreal refinery. So for every dollar, we get a $50,000,000 uplift through the year. If you were to look historically, there have been times when that would be $20 plus. That's not what we're expecting going forward, much more conservative assumptions. But you can see, even if it's a $5 uplift, you're getting up to $250,000,000 So material to Montreal and will make a difference to what is already, we think, a best in class downstream. Okay, great. And the last one for me then is, as you've talked before about at least examining a coker at Montreal, I think initially that was probably designed for Mayan crudes, but what's the status of that? And frankly, is there any urgency to be putting a coker in if you're going to get so much of a benefit just by going to indigenous crudes? Yes, great question. I mean, you're right, you get a substantial part of the uplift by simply moving from international crudes to inland crudes. Now there are further benefits by putting the coker in. The project is still being developed and even and we've been developing it within the capital constrained budget that we've been managing to. It will come across my desk probably in the Q1 now for the next gate review and see whether we take it to the next stage. But the economics we've just been talking about around moving to inland crudes are standalone. They don't need the coker and the coker would be based on refinery type economics. So it still looks attractive. The timing is not critical. So I'll take that review in the context of our budget. Very good, very good. Thanks very much. Thank you. The following question is from Guy Baber of Simmons. Please go ahead. Good morning, everybody, and congrats on the strong quarter. Obviously, Suncor is uniquely positioned for this depressed environment given the strength of the cash flow generation, which allows you all to act counter cyclically when other companies can't. We've seen that with your pursuit of acquisitions. And as you continue to perhaps pursue bottom of the cycle acquisitions, future opportunities, can you just remind us of the key criteria and metrics that you are screening for and that are most important? And related to that, if you assume any credible long term threshold oil price, your shares obviously look very cheap. So how do you evaluate acquisitions versus potentially ramping up the buyback of your own stock given your advantaged financial position? Okay, thanks. I mean, I'll take the first part and then I'll let Alastair talk about the screening criteria that we use. First of all, I think it's I would go back to our overall strategy. Our strategy has been, first of all, we have to earn the right to spend money. So we have to run our existing assets very, very well. That's what operational excellence is about and I'm pleased with the progress we're making, still more to come and you'll see that in terms of reliability and continued reduction in operating costs. We're not finished yet. We still have some more of that to deliver. So run the assets really well. The second part then has been about a very disciplined allocation of capital. And we have 3 ways that we look at using that capital. The first one is organic growth. And what's so pleasing about these results are that we are still funding our organic growth. We've grown at nearly 10% for the last 4 or 5 years per year and we are growing at 5% through to the end of this decade with investments that are in place. And we then have a very long list of organic projects which are there, but they have to compete with the other 2 buckets. 1 of those buckets is the world of M and A and we've been looking and whether we're at the bottom of the cycle, there'll be as many views as there are our individuals having the conversation. What we know is that in the M and A world at these prices, some companies have started to look reasonably attractive to Suncor. So we're letting those compete. And then I think our track record speaks for itself on the 3rd bucket, which is we return money to shareholders. We talked in our prepared comments about the $10,000,000,000 of free cash that we generated in return. We've done that through a mix of dividend and buying back through share buybacks 10% of the company. So we let those 3 compete and the beauty of that is that given the very healthy balance sheet we have, we're in no hurry. We have very good opportunities in each of those. Our shareholders are very happy to take returns themselves. The organic growth list is a very long list, which takes us forward for the next 20 plus years. And we've got some of these targets. The commitment that I've been giving very clearly to shareholders is we will not move from that capital discipline. If things don't fit in on those lists, we will not pursue them or move away. We'll do that on organic projects. We'll do on potential M and A targets. And we will use the tools available to us in terms of returning to shareholders. And just before I hand over to Alastair on the more detailed criteria, and I'll just answer the piece on long term crude value. We have a simple philosophy in the company. Depending on which use of capital we're looking at, we make different crude price assumptions going forward. And they're interesting, but we run the company to be cash free at this level of crude price. And that's what's exciting for us about this year is that in each of the three quarters, we have generated free cash. Okay. Thanks, Steve. So just specifically looking at acquisition criteria, I think we'll be pretty clear the 3 main areas that we look at. One is, is the potential target a strategic fit? Is it in an area that fits with our strategy, whether it would be in the oil sands, E and P or the downstream business? Does it help us in our integration. Is the asset itself or the resource a top tier, a top quality asset or something that we believe we can use our expertise to get it to a top tier performing asset? And then thirdly, and not lastly, but is value accretive? Is this something that can add value to our shareholders? And we look at earnings and we look at cash flow and we look at net asset value around can it add value. And then we go back to what Steve just said around our capital discipline. Any acquisition that we look at has to compete against the organic growth opportunities and the potential to return cash to shareholders through the dividend as a stock buyback. So it's a broad mix of things that we look at and we're very disciplined about when and where we go after acquisitions. Thanks very much for the comprehensive answer. I had one follow-up on the Canadian Oil Sands acquisition, if you could speak to that. You mentioned and we agree that Suncor has established a track record of operational excellence. The Syncrude project on the other hand does not have that track record. So the obvious question is, can you just discuss the confidence level in improving the reliability, the operations at Syncrude over what timeframe that could be achieved and what level of investment that might take? Yes. I mean, I think I'll give a relatively sort of short and clear answer. We are confident that we can add more value than we have been doing. I don't want to understate how challenging it is to increase the reliability of these types of assets in this type of location with the access to the workforce and contractors we have there. But what I would do is just reference you to what we've achieved. If you go back 10 years, we faced some very similar challenges to the ones that Syncrude are facing. We put a comprehensive multi turnaround, multi year plan in place and we have slowly worked through that. The results I think are evidence now in our actual performance over the last few years, how that's improved. If you look at the operations, they're very similar. They're immediately adjacent to each other. They're the same unit processes, mining, tailings, extraction, upgrading, so coking, distillation, same sorts of maintenance challenges in the areas. And of course we along with all the other owners have a detailed understanding of the challenges that are faced. So we're confident that if we were to move from 12% to 49% and we will start to help Imperial with a more significant resource assistance. We're confident that through that support to the operator, we can see significant improvements. But we do believe that those synergies largely are Suncorp because that's an area of expertise we have in that region. Imperial is an excellent operator and so I'm looking forward to the opportunity to be able to work more closely with them. Thanks for the comments. Thank you. The following question is from Paul Cheng of Barclays. Please go ahead. Hey, guys. Good morning. Two short questions. Maybe the first one is for Steve, the second one is for Alessa. Steve, you are pretty busy on the M and A front over the last couple of months. So at this point, should we assume you have reasonably your hands full that you will be primarily focusing on your internal integration and execution and not necessarily aggressively targeting additional M and A or that you think your management capability actually would be able to handle substantially more transactions? The second question for Alisa is that do you have any preliminary 2016 CapEx and production outlook, if not an absolute number, but maybe just some ballpark number or direction? Okay. Thank you, Paul. I mean on that first question, the sort of principle we have used in house has been that we have to earn the right to move on. That's why to an extent there was a sequence, operational excellence, deliver the reliability and the low cost, that discipline around capital and earning the right to do other things. And my feedback to the company has been, you're doing very well, you're starting to earn the right to look at some of these other opportunities. Of course, so far, if I just look briefly at the 2 transactions we've been considering. Firstly, on Fort Hills, we are already the operator. We're already the constructor and all that's happened is our percentage of ownership and where the cash flow following the start up goes will be directed. So there's no significant change in the amount of effort we need to put in. It is of financial benefit to us though. And then you look at Canadian Oil Sands and the proposal is not at this stage to go to operatorship. It is about increasing the percentage ownership in the joint venture and then bringing to bear through a handful of experts in that region and in that technology the best support we can for the operator Imperial. So again, it's not a significant change. It's not like the Petro Canada merger where we had to integrate multiple departments and had multi year integration targets to achieve that. So what it says is, all options are there. These are 2 potentially attractive proposals. We continuously are, as a matter of good business, screen the market. We don't have any immediate other projects planned, but we will keep looking because this hasn't significantly affected our balance sheet, particularly our debt metrics. So we still remain in a very powerful position after, But anything we look at will have to be very attractive and will have to compete with those other objectives of the organic portfolio and just returning the funds to our shareholders. Okay, Paul, on your guidance question, we're coming out at the end of November with 2016 guidance. But I would just remind everybody in the call that it will include the additional the CapEx on the additional 10% of Fort Hills and remind everybody that there will be some CapEx related to the 5 year turnaround at Unit 2, but we'll be out by the end of November on our guidance for production and CapEx. All right. Very good. Thank you. Thank you. The following question is from Benny Wong of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Hi, good morning. Thanks. Fort Hill seems to be progressing very well. Just got 2 part question on it. First is, from this point forward, what's the biggest potential challenges you guys might face? Is it just really staying on schedule? And the second part is, is there any areas in engineering construction that has so far surprised you in terms of cost? Thanks, Benny. I mean, let me just go back to a few years ago now when we were sanctioning the project. And we clearly made a break with our own path. And I think to an extent the industry has passed and said, there are normally 3 important metrics you look at when you're developing these mega projects, cost, quality and schedule. And we said, where companies have really come into problems is when they try to manage all 3. Our clear priority at the beginning and our clear priority as we've executed this project is to manage the cost, manage the quality and keep an eye on schedule. Schedule is very important to us, but it's not critical. It's much more important that the capital is spent efficiently and we get the returns on the project once we've handed it over to our operations folk. And I'm pleased to say, not only is it the costs are pleasantly surprising as we are we did actually one of the reasons we selected the timing for the project was because we thought there was a quiet period through this construction window. It actually turned out to be much better than we expected. So I think our assumption was right, but it was better than we anticipated. The quality of resource we're getting and the quality of the work they are producing is surprising us to the upside. So congratulations to the contractors who are working it. They're putting very high quality people on it and these guys are delivering a very good project. And then the final piece of good news on the project is it's on schedule. So we are still anticipating a 2017 start up. So good news. I guess one of the big things we have to do and again, I say it with all humility because we have had projects a long time in the past, which have had problems too. We learned some lessons from our own experience is we tried to learn from others in the region and we knew that one of the challenges was going to be the logistics of moving materials in. I'm pleased to say that we're already over the hump of that and we've not experienced any significant issues. So right now, we are starting to allocate the contingency to sub components of the project, but we still have a substantial piece of the contingency available to us. So I think if it continues the way it's going, this will be we believe we've spent something like $20,000,000,000 over the last 3 or 4 years on smaller projects, on cost, on schedule. And I think the industry has seen those steady improvements. But this may well be the 1st mega project that is delivered on cost and schedule. Great. And just a quick question. You guys posted strong operating costs in the quarter and with the trend turning to the bottom end of your guidance potentially even lower. Is there something that's gating you from lowering your guidance further? I mean, in other words, are you still waiting for something to play out before you want to commit to it? No. One of the principles we have with guidance is we only make material changes. So if it's fractions on it, we don't reguide every quarter just because there are lots of moving pieces here. So our belief is and I tried to be pretty clear, our belief is we will be at the very low end or below. What we're seeing in reductions in costs are coming from it's coming from hardcore stuff. It's a different labor force, it's streamlined lodgings. It's improved productivity. It's lower contracting rates. It's reduced over time. It's prioritized IT. And it's all of those things that we have been working on. So we're comfortable they are continuing into the Q1. But it's just our reticence to reguide every quarter as smaller things changes. So what you're seeing is you can see it's a trend. It's not once off. It's a trend and we're not there yet. I still have an internal ambition of getting below $20 a barrel. Got it. Thank you. And just as a final question, I really appreciate the color you provided on discussions with the Canadian Oil Sands shareholder. Just curious if you can comment what's the support have been on the deal, the bid for Canadian oil sands from Suncor Shareholders? What we did do was we launched what by any measure was an extensive communications program on the 5th October. We put 2 investment teams in place and they cycled around both nearly 2 thirds of the Canadian Oil Sands shareholders and the vast majority of Suncor shareholders in that 1st 2 weeks. And there were lots of questions. Overall, understanding the deal, supporting us, questioning healthy questioning of are you moving away, Steve, from the capital discipline that you've exercised? And we've made it clear, just by our track record, we have been very disciplined in what we've done and we plan to be disciplined about this. And then, okay, well, what are the synergies and why we can see why it's very attractive to Canadian Oil Sands shareholders, but why is it attractive to Suncor shareholders. And what I would do is just say, almost go back to the Q3 script I went through earlier. Operational excellence is what we do. We started with a very humble beginnings and have worked very hard to get our reliability up and our costs down. We believe that's the very set of skills that Syncrude can do with and that we are relatively uniquely placed to be able to do it. That's why we believe our offer was full and fair and we didn't come in with what we believed was a low bid. We wanted to make it clear we were serious and that we had the access to those unique synergies by bringing the expertise. Of course, there are also adjacent leases, which are very attractive And those synergies belong to potentially to Suncor and to the Canadian Oil Sands shareholders in terms of the deal that we've done. For that to happen, it needs multiple partners to agree. It's not something which is just Suncor can go in or just 51% will get you. It's a number of partners need to contribute. So our belief is that there are significant synergies available and they are largely only available to Suncor. Great. Thanks, Steve. Thank you. The following question is from Mike Dunn of FirstEnergy. Please go ahead. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Another great quarter out of your Refining and Marketing division folks. Just wondering if you can talk about the location differentials you mentioned and how you might see them evolving as we go into 20 16 and potentially beyond. They've been quite strong here for the last few years really. Thank you. Yes. No, thank you. And I mean, you're right. I mean, what a standout performance from the R and M group again. What we do is just take you back to our integrated model. What it's attempting to do and it's proved very successful through this cycle is take advantage of differentials that may occur between extraction of resource and selling it to the final customer. We have deliberately designed the degree of integration we have and some of that is hard physical links with things like desulfurization and coker. Some of it is a trading capability once you have a relatively balanced upstream and downstream. And whilst it's been interesting this time, as you say, it's been largely around crack to rack spreads and it's been around location differentials, particularly when you start to get into places like Denver or Sarnia. And we've been able to get very high differentials. And often the regional spreads, of course, don't reflect that very well, which makes it very tough to model what we're doing because you can pick up regional spreads and not see the actual local benefits we're getting in the market. Of course, with Line 9, we now have increased optionality around being able to put either Western Canadian crudes or US crudes into that refinery. So it gives us not only does it give us the benefit I was talking about earlier of logistics benefits in terms of rail versus pipeline type discussion, it also gives us some of these other differentials. So it's part of the design, it's why we put it there, it's quite difficult I recognize for analysts to be able to forecast it. But what is most important about our system is the flexibility. We're not particularly dependent on some look and think, oh, is it the Brent WTI spread? Is it the WTI WCS spread? And actually, one of the benefits of having upstream, midstream, downstream and trading capability is whatever it is, we can home in and probably be one of the best to take advantage of it. So it's an important part of our design. We plan to keep it and that's why Montreal has been so important. I think Steve Douglas is just going to give you a few more detailed comments. I'm mainly going to call time here, but I think Steve has given a comprehensive answer. The only thing I'd add is we have set up our downstream such that we have 4 refineries, which are essentially logistical islands, buying inland crude, which is often at a price advantage and then integrated back to our refineries where we're comprehensively planning on an optimized basis. So we have some advantages which are quite unique to Suncor. I apologize, I know we have a number of other calls and what I would say is we will be available throughout the day to field those calls. I'd like to thank everyone for participating. 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