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Earnings Call: Q4 2024

Feb 20, 2025

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Supremex Fourth Quarter 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. Should you need assistance during the conference call, you may signal an operator by pressing star then zero.

Before turning the meeting over to management, please be advised that this conference call will contain certain statements that are forward-looking and subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded on Thursday, February 20th, 2025. I will now turn the call over to Martin Goulet of MBC Capital Markets Advisors. Please go ahead.

Martin Goulet
Head of Investor Relations, MBC Capital Markets Advisors

Thank you, Operator. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining this discussion of Supremex's financial and operating results for the fourth quarter and fiscal year ended December 31st, 2024. The press release reporting these results was published earlier this morning, and it can also be found in the investors' section of the company's website at www.supremex.com, along with the MD&A and financial statements. These documents are available on SEDAR+ as well. A presentation supporting this conference call has also been posted on the website.

Let me remind you that all figures expressed on today's call are in CAD unless otherwise stated. Presenting today will be Stewart Emerson, President and Chief Executive Officer, as well as François Bolduc, Chief Financial Officer. With that, I invite you to turn to slide 38 of the presentation for an overview of the third quarter and, or the fourth quarter, sorry, and I turn the call over to Stewart.

Stewart Emerson
President and CEO, Supremex Inc.

Hey, thank you, Martin. Good morning, everyone. I will apologize in advance for any background noise you might hear directly above our heads. Out of an abundance of caution, we have a firm cleaning the snow off the roof after the storms over the weekend in Montreal, and they happen to be right over our heads at this point, so apologize in advance. Getting into it, Supremex concluded 2024 with solid fourth quarter financial results. Our envelope volume was up year over year for the third consecutive quarter while our core packaging business continued to recover. Both adjusted EBITDA margins in both segments improved significantly in terms of margins and absolute dollars. These important gains were driven by optimization initiatives put in place over the past year that had a positive impact on operations, procurement, and productivity.

This progress reflects the ongoing efforts of our teams throughout the organization. While there is still room for further improvement, I would be remiss if I didn't take this opportunity to thank our employees for their belief in the plan, passion, and steadfast commitment to continuous improvement. First, let's look at the envelope business. Revenue was down 3.5% in the quarter on a year-over-year basis as lower average selling prices outweighed slight volume gains. Volume gains reflect our U.S. activities where market conditions continue to gradually recover and our sales teams successfully push for additional business. A portion of the volume increase can also be attributed to the tuck-in acquisition of Forest Envelope last May, now fully integrated in our Chicago operations.

In Canada, units sold were tempered with the Canada Post labor disruption in November-December, but despite that disruption and uncertainty, CAD volumes were in line with traditional secular decline. Frankly, manufacturing and selling more units in the quarter was a remarkable feat given the major undertaking associated with the consolidation in the Greater Toronto Area, where three of our largest facilities underwent an overhaul as we consolidated from three plants to two. As part of the consolidation, a total of 21 pieces of envelope manufacturing and printing equipment were moved and another 20 were decommissioned. The team charged with the project did a remarkable job, and the employees in the affected facilities are to be commended for staying focused on producing high-quality envelopes cost-effectively and safely.

I'm pleased to confirm that the last pieces of equipment have moved as planned and that we will exit the Concord facility next week on time and on budget. With the lease expiring at the end of February, we will have recurring rent savings going forward, and the business will be the beneficiary of a more efficient operating network, and we have already started to reap noticeable productivity gains while higher volume and remaining installations improves absorption over a lower cost base. As I said last quarter and several times over the last 10 years, we are fortunate to have a deep and talented envelope team. Now that all measures are firmly in place, we should fully achieve the expected annual cost savings run rate of more than CAD 2 million going forward.

With respect to selling price, pressures were anticipated given the combination of our mixed evolution between Canadian and U.S. markets and U.S. manufacturers giving back a portion of the gains made in 2022 and early 2023 when supply was constrained. During the last call, I called out a stronger backlog, and this remains the case in early 2025, and we expect to deliver these orders with better margins. Supporting this statement, and despite the Toronto consolidation distraction and disruption impacting Q4, envelope adjusted EBITDA margin reached 18.8%, which was 160 basis points improvement over Q4 last year and also up sequentially more than two percentage points. We have yet to fully harvest the benefits from the optimization efforts and consequently believe there is room for further improvement.

Turning to packaging, while revenue was lower, the shortfall was primarily connected to the Q4 2023 restructuring of the specialty products business following the closure of a facility outside of Montreal, which narrowed the focus of the business and materially reduced costs. We do not talk a lot about volume and average selling price in the packaging segment, but while units sold were down over 50% in the quarter, average selling price was up in excess of 200%, and the segment margins improved. We have focused the business on lower touch, higher value activities and reduced our costs appropriately. Sometimes less is more. Outside of the restructuring dynamics, our core markets continue to rebound with solid demand from e-commerce fulfillment packaging activities and improvements in channels more closely related to discretionary consumer spending.

In fact, we recorded our first year-over-year folding carton revenue growth in several quarters, which can be attributed to new business wins, recovery of the health and beauty channel, and a build-out of our sales organization. Margins continue to gain momentum, reflecting the initiatives undertaken in the aforementioned restructuring in late 2023 to improve operating efficiencies and achieve synergies, focus on more value-added products and the work done to improve absorption.

As indicated last quarter, we've gone back to a more traditional small business structure in packaging of general managers in each line of business to be entrepreneurial and focused on driving their individual businesses to greater performance. We added a new general manager in folding carton in late Q3, increased our sales presence and profile, and have upgraded talents in all of our businesses over 2024. With most cost-related initiatives in place, we focus our efforts on building volume.

We are re-engaging with customers that may have left or reduced their spending with us, are knocking on new doors and getting new wins and leveraging narrow focus, improved talents, and a better cost structure to drive volume. With better absorption, we will be able to deliver the growth at improved margins. With that, I turn the call over to François for review of the financial results.

François Bolduc
CFO, Supremex Inc.

Thank you, Stewart. Good morning, everyone. Please turn to slide 39 of the presentation. Q4 total revenue amounted to CAD 69.1 million compared to CAD 72.3 million last year. The envelope revenue was CAD 48.8 million versus CAD 50.6 million last year. The variation reflects a 4% decrease in average selling price, mainly due to a less favorable customer and product mix between the U.S. and Canada. The volume increased by 0.5%, driven by a greater presence in the U.S., including the contribution of Forest Envelope acquired last May. Packaging and specialty products revenue was CAD 20.3 million versus CAD 21.7 million last year. The decrease is mostly due to a lower revenue, partially offset by higher demand from e-commerce related to packaging solutions. Meanwhile, demand from certain sectors more closely correlated to economic conditions was relatively stable compared to last year.

Moving on to slide 40, adjusted EBITDA totaled CAD 12.9 million, or 18.7% of sales, compared to CAD 9 million, or 12.4% of sales, a year ago. As Stewart mentioned, we are pleased to report margin improvement in our two business segments. Envelope adjusted EBITDA reached CAD 9.2 million, or 18.8% of sales, versus CAD 8.7 million, or 17.2% of sales last year. The year-over-year increase reflects benefits from optimization measures announced last July, as well as procurement optimization initiatives. Packaging and specialty products adjusted EBITDA was CAD 2.4 million, or 11.6% of sales, compared to CAD 1.4 million, or 6.1% of sales, last year. The increase is mostly due to the positive effect of optimization initiatives announced late in 2023 and the procurement optimization initiatives. Finally, we had a corporate and unallocated recovery of CAD 1.4 million as opposed to a cost of CAD 1 million last year.

The year-over-year variation is mainly due to a foreign exchange gain to revaluation of foreign trade receivables and a favorable adjustment of the DSU and PSU, reflecting different price share valuations this year compared to last. Turning on to slide 41, as a result of higher EBITDA, net earnings amounted to CAD 5.8 million, or CAD 0.23 per share, versus CAD 0.7 million, or CAD 0.03 per share last year. Adjusted net earnings were CAD 5.2 million, or CAD 0.20 per share, versus CAD 2.2 million, or CAD 0.09 per share a year ago. Moving on to slide 42, our net cash flows from operating activities totaled CAD 9.2 million compared to CAD 14.8 million last year. The reduction reflects working capital requirements this year as opposed to a release last year when we were coming off of high inventory levels, partially offset by higher profitability.

We are continuing to proactively manage inventory and improve working capital. For the same reasons, free cash flow was CAD 8.7 million versus CAD 15.1 million last year. We concluded 2024 with free cash flows of CAD 31.7 million, or CAD 1.29 per share. This represents a free cash flow conversion ratio of 0.79 based on an adjusted EBITDA and a free cash flow yield of 36% given the recent share price. Turning to slide 43, our net debt stood at CAD 41.2 million as of December 31st, 2024, down more than CAD 5 million in the past three months and more than CAD 14 million over the course of the year. Our ratio of net debt to adjusted EBITDA improved to 1x versus 1.3x at the end of the previous quarter, well within our comfort zone of keeping it below 2x.

At the end of the quarter, we had more than CAD 77 million in available liquidity under a senior secured revolving credit facility, leaving us with the flexibility to finance our operations and future investments. Finally, the board of directors declared a quarterly dividend of CAD 0.05 per common share payable on April 4 to shareholders of record at the close of business on March 20th. With this, I will turn it back to Stewart for the outlook. Stewart?

Stewart Emerson
President and CEO, Supremex Inc.

Great. Thank you, François. As we begin the new year, the logical first question to ask ourselves is, are we in a better position than we were a year ago? The answer is a resounding yes. Our fourth quarter results are evidence of our progress, and we believe there is still more to come. As we diligently work on achieving all cost savings and efficiency gains while sustaining our efforts to generate additional revenue, we continue to methodically build the business for the long term and set Supremex up for continued success. Driven by strong sales teams and high-quality assets, both our envelope and packaging operations are well positioned in their respective fields.

In envelopes, our backlogs remain improved. We continue to gain traction in the vast U.S. market, and our Canadian operations are even more efficient as a result of the Toronto project. In packaging, operations are restructured and led by new hands-on management focused on driving cost efficiency and sales growth while outside business fundamentals improve. We have a strong balance sheet that will further strengthen once we realize the planned sale and lease-back transaction announced last quarter.

Acting prudently and responsibly, these things take time, and we continue to progress on this front, but we'll only transact if it is in the best interest of shareholders. In closing, after spending the last few quarters launching and driving initiatives to improve the productivity, efficiency, and competitiveness of the two businesses, we are now focused on execution, and we are confident in our ability to leverage the spade work over the coming quarters. We have talented teams that remain motivated to achieve and surpass our lofty objectives, and I thank them for their unwavering dedication and support. This concludes our prepared remarks. We are now ready to answer your questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. You will hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing any keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. We will pause for a moment as callers join the queue. The first question comes from Max Ingram with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Max Ingram
Associate Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Hey, thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on the quarter. First question for me was I was hoping to get more color on the impact of the Canada Post strike, any impact it had on the quarter, and maybe any quantum you could put around the impact would be helpful.

Stewart Emerson
President and CEO, Supremex Inc.

Hi, Max. It's Stewart. Yeah, thank you for your question. The Canada Post question is a tough one to answer. As I said in my remarks, it was in line with our volume in Canada, was in line with traditional secular decline, in fact, maybe even a little bit better. The reality in the Canadian market is most of the mail is bills and statements, and bills and statements have to be delivered or have to be prepared and eventually delivered. What major mailers do is they continue to prepare the mail, and they just do not induct it into Canada Post. Once the disruption is over, they induct. There is a big backlog within Canada Post because there are lots of trucks, double the amount of trucks showing up at the depots.

There is no real impact in the short term, and it is complete speculation on what it does to longer-term demand destruction if customers switch. In that short one-month period, it does not affect us at all. If our market was a big direct mail market, which it is not, you would see mailers holding off and not mailing, but that is not the dynamic in the Canadian market.

Max Ingram
Associate Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. Okay, that's helpful. Thanks. A second related question would be this might be too early to gauge, but any color you could give would be helpful on the postage increase that went into effect January and how maybe some of the conversations you're having, anything we should be thinking about moving forward.

Stewart Emerson
President and CEO, Supremex Inc.

Yeah, I think there's something we need to be careful of on. The press grabs postage increases, and they always talk about the price of a stamp or a coil of stamps or a book of stamps. The reality is we don't make our living on people that are putting stamps on envelopes. The impact of the price increases to major mailers, it's not directly correlated to the increase in the price of stamps.

They negotiate different pricing with Canada Post and get different discounts based on the mail preparation work they do, sorting it into postal codes and things like that. We just need to be careful that we're not reading the headline and assuming that TD Bank has got a 25% increase in their postage costs. It's significantly less than that for major mail users. They negotiate sort of directly with Canada Post and get volume discounts.

Max Ingram
Associate Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Right. Okay, that's helpful. Just one last one, if I can sneak one in. You touched on it a bit in the release, but can you help us think about how we should, when we think about potential tariff impacts? I know it's difficult to put a fine point on this, but I'm compelled to ask and just get your thoughts on it.

Stewart Emerson
President and CEO, Supremex Inc.

Sorry, Max. You're only allowed two questions.

Max Ingram
Associate Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Put me back in the queue.

Stewart Emerson
President and CEO, Supremex Inc.

Sorry for my bad attempt at humor. Yeah. I mean, tariffs is a big question. A lot of work's been done on it. I mean, there's certainly a lot of unknowns at this point. I think both countries understand that there are negative impacts on both sides of the border if there's a protracted trade dispute. We believe cooler heads will prevail. While we're hopeful on the situation that it'll be resolved by March 1 or shortly thereafter, we continue to do what we can to mitigate any potential impact. I think right out of the gate, we should make it clear that from a Supremex standpoint, cross-border really only affects the envelope business materially. There's a little bit on the packaging side, but you could take a third of our business and just say there's virtually no impact.

I don't really want to provide a lot of detail, but sort of in anticipation of the question, got sort of a few points. On the raw material side, particularly paper and window film, based on what was originally announced, we feel we can flex the supply chain where there's almost zero impact on raw materials. On the finished goods side, we can leave it at there's not a lot of finished goods currently in the racks in Canada that will eventually find their way to the U.S. and that our warehouses in the U.S. are pretty adequately stocked. They got a bit of a war chest there. From a manufacturing standpoint, there is a symbiotic relationship, as you know, between the Canadian envelope plants and the U.S. sales team.

There's only so much of the Canadian-made volume that can be produced in our U.S. plants, but we've taken several steps to ramp up the production in the U.S. if that's required. We meet almost daily to assess our preparedness and strategize on other meaningful opportunities to mitigate any potential risk. That said, we're as much in the dark as anybody else in terms of potential implementation and duration. With so little information, we're not comfortable speculating or quantifying any potential impacts on the tariff side. We've done a lot of preparation work and think we've mitigated what we can, but we continue to look at it. I know that's a non-answer in terms of quantifying, but we've done a lot of work, and we won't have to push a lot of stock across the border over the next few months.

Max Ingram
Associate Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. Appreciate it. No, that's a ton of great color. Thanks again, and congrats on the quarter.

Stewart Emerson
President and CEO, Supremex Inc.

Thank you, Max.

François Bolduc
CFO, Supremex Inc.

Thank you, Max.

Operator

The next question comes from Donangelo Volpe with Beacon Securities. Please go ahead.

Donangelo Volpe
Equity Research Analyst, Beacon Securities

Hey, good morning, guys. You shouldn't have let Max ask the third question. He kind of took mine, but congratulations on the results nonetheless. Just looking at EBITDA margin improvement, I was kind of wondering if there are any additional factors outside of the optimization efforts leading to these improvements and if we can kind of expect these margins to hold in line with this range.

François Bolduc
CFO, Supremex Inc.

Yeah. That is a very good question. Max, we had three questions, and Max brought them all up, so we are good. No, no. Seriously, based on the comments that we had earlier, our mix is definitively helping us. Like Stewart was talking about, when you are comparing quarters to quarters, the packaging segment got better, and that will continue to improve for sure based on the different changes we have made, which is 2023. We had the reorg that we have done. Also, Stewart alluded in the comments about the packaging, the facility closing that we had northeast of Montreal.

That has also an impact on the, obviously, on the sales because we had lower sales, but on the profitability as well because that was lower margins. I would say the trend is good. We are coming back. We did have a couple—sorry. We did have a couple of initiatives that are paying off in the quarter, and that may not repeat, but nothing significant. We continue to focus on delivering month after month profitability in line with what we've been doing in the past months. Yeah. It'll continue to be improving over the next quarters.

Donangelo Volpe
Equity Research Analyst, Beacon Securities

Okay, great. Thanks for the color on that. Just moving over to cash flow, I'm seeing continued strong free cash flow generation. Just wanted to look at in terms of capital allocation, is the focus going to remain on paying down debt and potential M&A on the packaging side? If you're looking at M&A on the packaging side, can you discuss kind of the pipeline of opportunities that you guys are seeing there, whether it be geographically or size and fit?

François Bolduc
CFO, Supremex Inc.

Yes, that's a good question. From a capital allocation standpoint, I mean, obviously, like we've expressed in the previous quarters, we were really focused on getting the operations organized and focusing on the packaging and getting this back on track with the different reorgs we've done. Project North America was another big initiative for us to focus on. In the meantime, we're constantly looking at the best options, whether it's NCIB or acquisition. We're going to continue to look at that in the next few months. Yeah, and then pay down the debt like we've been doing. These options are all there, and we constantly reassess based on what's going on. From an M&A standpoint, we constantly look, and there are opportunities in both segments of our business that are available for us.

Donangelo Volpe
Equity Research Analyst, Beacon Securities

Okay, great. Thanks for answering my question, guys. Once again, congratulations on the strong results. I'll hop back in the queue.

François Bolduc
CFO, Supremex Inc.

Thank you. Thanks, Donangelo.

Operator

This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Stewart Emerson for any closing remarks.

Stewart Emerson
President and CEO, Supremex Inc.

Great. Thank you, operator. Thank you all for joining us this morning. We look forward to speaking to you again at our next quarter call in May. Stay warm, stay safe, and we'll talk to you soon. Bye-bye.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.

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