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Earnings Call: Q2 2025

Jul 30, 2025

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Trican Well Service second quarter 2025 earnings conference call and webcast. As a reminder, the conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Brad Fedora, President and CEO of Trican Well Service Ltd. Please go ahead, Mr. Fedora.

Brad Fedora
President, and CEO, Trican Well Service Ltd

Thank you, everyone. Good morning and thanks for joining us. First, Scott will give an overview of the quarterly results, and then I'll provide some comments on the quarter, the current operating conditions, and the outlook in the near future. Then we'll go to questions. We'll try to be a little quicker on this call than we normally are, just so we leave more time for questions. Several members of the team are with us today as well, so there shouldn't be a question that we can't answer. I'll now turn the call to Scott.

Scott Matson
CFO, Trican Well Service Ltd.

Thanks, Brad. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that this conference call may contain forward-looking statements and other information based on current expectations or results for the company. Certain material factors or assumptions that were applied in drawing conclusions or making projections are reflected in the forward-looking information section of our MD&A for Q2 of 2025. A number of business risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements and our financial outlook. Please refer to our 2024 annual information form for the year ended December 31, 2024, for a more complete description of business risks and uncertainties facing Trican Well Service Ltd. This document is available both on our website and on SEDAR. During this call, we will refer to several common industry terms and use certain non-GAAP measures, which are more fully described in our Q4 2024 MD&A.

Our quarterly results were released after close of market last night and are available both on SEDAR and our website. With that, I'll provide a brief summary of our quarter. My comments will draw comparisons to the second quarter of last year, and I'll also make some comments about our quarterly activity and our expectations going forward. Trican's results for the quarter compared to last year's Q2 were slightly higher due to increased operating activity. Customers continued to level-load their programs, and as a result, activity was reasonably strong throughout the quarter. On the cost side, we saw a bit of decrease on certain items like fuel costs due to the removal of some of the carbon taxes, and we were able to do a bit more of our own trucking this quarter, which helped our transportation costs.

In general, our cost structure was generally stable through the quarter, although we did experience some cost creep in certain areas like cement costs, which went up predictably May 1. That resulted in revenue for the quarter of $213.8 million, with adjusted EBITDA of $44.9 million, or about 21% of revenue, compared to adjusted EBITDA of $40.7 million, or 19% of revenues that we generated in Q2 of 2024. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter came in at $47.3 million, or 22% of revenues, up from the $45.2 million, or 21% of revenues we generated in Q2 of last year. To arrive at EBITDA, we add back the effects of cash-settled share-based compensation expense recognized in the quarter to more clearly show the results of our operations and remove some of the financial noise associated with changes in our share price as we mark to market these items.

On a consolidated basis, we generated positive earnings of $19.5 million during the quarter, which translates to $0.11 per share, both on a fully diluted and basic basis. Trican generated free cash flow of $24.4 million during the quarter. Our definition of free cash flow is essentially EBITDA, less non-discretionary cash expenditures, which includes maintenance capital, interest, current taxes, and cash-settled stock-based comp. You can see more details on this in the non-GAAP measures section of our MD&A. CapEx for the quarter totaled $16.3 million, split between maintenance capital of about $14.3 million and upgrade capital of about $2 million. Our upgrade capital was mainly dedicated to the electrification of our fourth set of ancillary frac support equipment and ongoing investments to maintain the productive capability of our active gear.

For 2025, our capital budget remains at $70.4 million, focused on a mixture of ongoing maintenance capital and targeted growth initiatives, including the fourth set of electric ancillary frac support equipment, investments in our logistics fleet, and our support infrastructure. Balance sheet remains very solid. We exited the quarter with positive working capital of approximately $114.1 million, including cash of $36.3 million. I would note that we had a significant unwind of working capital as we worked our way through the quarter that benefited our cash position. I would expect this will build back up to a more normal level as we move through a fairly busy Q3. With respect to our return of capital strategy, we repurchased and canceled 8 million shares under our NCIB program during the second quarter at a weighted average price of about $4 per share.

We've repurchased and canceled 13.2 million shares to date under our 2024-2025 NCIB program, which represents about 69% of the total available program. As noted in our press release, following a pending closing of the acquisition of Iron Horse, the Board of Directors has approved a 10% increase to our quarterly-based dividend. The increased quarterly dividend will be about $0.055 per share per quarter, up from $0.05 per share currently, which equates to $0.22 per share on an annual basis. The distribution is scheduled to be made on September 30, 2025, to shareholders of record as of the close of business on September 12, 2025. I would note that the dividends are designated as eligible dividends for Canadian income tax purposes. With that, I'll turn things back to Brad.

Brad Fedora
President, and CEO, Trican Well Service Ltd

Okay, thanks. I'll just talk about the market in general, and I'll try to keep my comments a little more brief than usual so that I could see mostly analysts on the call. I assume there'll be lots of questions. The Q2 went well, but it went as forecast. We did have some work push out of Q1 and into Q2, as we had mentioned on our last call. We had, you know, I would say, sort of a better quarter than maybe we would have predicted earlier in the year. June in particular was really busy. I think the first 10 days of June were maybe our best revenue days since I've joined the company. It's just more a testament of how our customers are level-loading throughout the year. It's really helpful to the organization. You're not staffing for seasonal peaks anymore.

From the staffing perspective as well, their incomes are more evenly distributed throughout the year. It shows, our turnover is below 5%. If you looked at these types of businesses even five years ago, they would have been in the 20%, 30% turnover range. Really helpful to have our customers level-load through all four quarters. There is a little bit of pricing pressure out there. I think margins are maybe a little bit lower than we would like them to be, and just with natural gas where it's at, and just a reminder, in the last couple of years, or the last 18 months, these gas prices have been the lowest they've ever been on an inflation-adjusted basis in Canada. We're actually very fortunate that it's as busy as it is. The good news is, I think there's only one way for gas prices to go.

Now with LNG Canada active, or the facilities actually exporting gas now, most analysts are predicting that gas will steadily climb from here and that next year, wow, looks really good. Most of our work is very gas-focused. About 75% of our work is some type of gas play, whether it's dry or liquids-rich. We are very attuned to gas prices in our business. The other, the rate count is down slightly. We are, like I said, seeing a little bit of pricing pressure, but I would say for the most part, that has sort of leveled out. I think everybody has settled into Q3 and Q4 now. We actually have a surprising amount of visibility into Q4, which is not typical for this point in the summer.

It's funny, for the first time in a long time, our customers are coming to us with next year's plans and wanting to talk about equipment availability, even commodity pricing, like on sand and chemicals and things like that. That's a really good sign for next year. I think pricing will settle out here in the second half. We're expecting a good Q3 and maybe a Q4. I don't think it's going to be as good as Q3 as we go into the Christmas break, but we expect that we're going to have a pretty good second half, probably look a lot like last year. We're still very focused in the Montney, Duvernay, and the Deep Basin. Nothing's changed there, and I don't anticipate that'll change. I won't get into the particulars that I usually get into, but all three divisions, frac, coil, and cement, are all running really well.

Coil, we've had some great improvements from a market share and sort of technical recognition by our customers, given the lengths of the coil jobs that we're doing. In general, all three divisions are running really well. We're really happy with how things are going. I think the rest of this year will look very similar to last year. We're going to keep an eye on commodity prices. I think LNG Canada now is averaging about half a Bcf a day of export, and that'll slowly ramp up to 2 Bcf a day early next year. As that happens, we'll pull lots of gas out of the basin, and that'll be a great help for natural gas prices.

The strip pricing is a lot better than the spot pricing, so I think most of our customer base is looking at the rest of this year as being steady as she goes. In 2026, they're probably going to speed things up a little bit. On the tariff side, we did have the sand tariffs removed, which is a great help. Those are about $10 a ton. Just on a 5,000-ton well, that's $50,000, so anytime we can lower our completion costs for our customers, that's great news. The tariff removal is retroactive. It goes back to March when it was put in. You know, the other tariffs that we're looking at now are on the steel side. A lot of our parts come from the U.S., like fluid ends, power ends, and the coil strings come out of the U.S.

With the steel tariffs and the reciprocal tariffs, the cost of those things are going up. We're a lot more active in trying to find better price alternatives from various places around the world. All I can say is we'll keep an eye on it, and we'll do the best job we can to keep our costs low. On the sand logistics side, we continue to build that out. I think we're really proud of our sort of last-mile sand logistics capabilities. I think our customer base recognizes that when you're pumping these amounts of sand, whether it's 5,000 tons or 10,000 tons, which equates to 50 to 100 rail cars of sand, it's incredible to think that all of that sand is getting pumped in sort of a 48-hour period, almost.

Our ability to make sure that sand is showing up on location, whether it's a batch train every 12 minutes for 36 straight hours, or the ability to store it. We're really proud of our capabilities there, and we'll continue to build that out. It's turning into a profit center for the company as well. On the technology side, I think we're at the stage where we're sort of ready to pick the next generation of pumps. We did talk in the past about reviewing the various technologies that were available for 100% natural gas. We're not approved yet, or we haven't finalized the details, but I would assume by sort of this time next year, we will have a 100% natural gas frac spread operating in the field. Look to future conference calls for us to provide more details on that.

Long term, we think Western Canada is a great place to be. We believe in the business, whether in Northwest Alberta, Northeast BC, and then even Central Alberta with the Duvernay and the Deep Basin. We think all of those areas are going to be very busy. We're proud of the relationships we've formed with the First Nations, both in Alberta and BC, and we think that will be sort of a catalyst to more activities in our areas. You know, when you look at the Montney now, it's considered arguably one of the best resources in North America, and it's in the second inning, depending on who you ask. There's lots of runway there. I think Canadian companies now are being viewed with envy for the amount of locations and undeveloped plays that remain. LNG Canada is finally working.

It wasn't that long ago that investors were still doubtful of whether or not that was ever going to happen. Here it is. It's up and running. It's having its usual startup hiccups, as you would expect, but it's already at basically half a Bcf a day of export volume. That's great news. Before I wrap up, I'll just talk about the Iron Horse acquisition. As everybody recalls, about a month or so ago, we put out a press release that we will be acquiring Iron Horse. We're very excited about this. We view this as the combination of the two best frac companies in Canada. We're going to work with each other to adopt best practices from both companies. It will operate as a separate division, and we will not be rebranding it or anything like that.

I think the Iron Horse customers and the Trican customers will still get great service. If anything, our service offering should improve with the acquisition as we adopt best practices and we allocate equipment and completion designs in the most efficient way. We're working with the Competition Bureau through that approval process. I think it's going well. We hope to close sometime late this quarter, early next quarter, but we really will have to wait and see. We're not expecting any issues there at all. On the shareholder return side, as Scott was saying, even in Q2, we're generating significant free cash flow. I think we had about $25 million or so of free cash flow in the quarter, and that's typically our lowest quarter of the year. We'll look for ways to get that money back to our shareholders if we don't have attractive organic growth opportunities.

As everybody knows, our return of capital strategy is a combination of the dividend and the NCIB program. We expect to maintain both of those going forward. We're not afraid to use our bank lines when we find something attractive to invest in, just like we did with Iron Horse. We are taking on a little bit of debt for the first time in a long time, and happy to do more of that if we find more really attractive acquisitions. Either way, we're always going to do what we think is best from a returns perspective, whether it's dividends, NCIBs, M&A, or just organic equipment growth. We'll just continue to evaluate all of those and pick our best on a risk-adjusted basis. Our corporate priorities remain unchanged. We want to build a resilient, sustainable, and differentiated company that's active in Canada.

We want to continue to invest in high-quality growth opportunities, make good acquisitions when they're available to us. All of this is to make sure that the service offering for our customer is best in class. Without the customers, obviously, we don't have the business. Everything we do is designed around providing a better, value-adding service offering for our customers. We're very fortunate to have long-term customers. I think that's gone quite well. Through all of this, we'll provide a consistent return of capital to our shareholders through the dividend and the NCIB when it's appropriate. Operator, I think I'll stop there, and we can go to questions.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now begin the question and answer session. To join the question queue, you may press * then 1 on your telephone keypad. You'll hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing any keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Our first question is from Aaron MacNeil with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Aaron MacNeil
Director of Equity Research Analysis, TD Cowen

Hey, morning all. Scott, you mentioned it in the prepared remarks. Obviously, margin performance was very good in the quarter. You referenced the carbon tax, internal trucking as areas where you saw the reduced costs. Can you expand on sort of the materiality of each of those items and give us a sense of what you think we should be applying on a go-forward basis?

Scott Matson
CFO, Trican Well Service Ltd.

Yeah, I probably won't go into the details of each of the lines, but those would have been the major contributors for the one or two or three points of margin that was a bit different year over year. If you look at the run rate of just that % EBITDA at the bottom line, that probably stays as a fairly representative view as we go into the next few quarters, right? Q3 is probably a little better, Q4, depending on how active it is, moderates a little bit. I think you just focus on the run rate piece, and you'll probably be right on track, Aaron.

Aaron MacNeil
Director of Equity Research Analysis, TD Cowen

Do you think we should apply the year-over-year difference, like in Q2 to Q3 as well? Is that what you're, just to clarify, is that what you're saying?

Scott Matson
CFO, Trican Well Service Ltd.

I think we'll continue to see a little bit of that margin benefit, right? I expect it to be similar in Q3 and probably just come down a bit in Q4.

Aaron MacNeil
Director of Equity Research Analysis, TD Cowen

Gotcha. Okay. Maybe Brad, one for you. I assume it'll be a retrofit and not a new build, but can you speak to the potential capital cost of a 100% natural gas frac spread? If you're looking to activate an incremental frac spread or displace an operating frac spread?

Brad Fedora
President, and CEO, Trican Well Service Ltd

It would actually be a new build.

If you know, rough math, the 40-ish, we do have some, we're not going to build everything. We have, we're going to continue to build the electric ancillary frac support equipment as well. We'll combine that with the natural gas engines. We haven't finalized any of this. None of this is board approved yet, but yeah, it would be an incremental spread as well. It would be a new build and an incremental, like, be spread eight for us that we would hope to have, if all goes well, sort of this time next year.

Aaron MacNeil
Director of Equity Research Analysis, TD Cowen

Gotcha. Thanks. I'll turn it back.

Operator

I think we're ready for the next question. Pardon me. I apologize. The next question is from Keith Mackey with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Keith Mackey
Director of Global Equity Research, RBC Capital Markets

Hi, good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. I guess I'd have to follow up on the comments around the natural gas frac spread there, Brad, recognizing that it's not all approved and certainly early, but what are you seeing or what would you need to see in the market in order to activate that eighth frac spread, if you did so?

Brad Fedora
President, and CEO, Trican Well Service Ltd

More activity, which I'm predicting we will have next year. I think with gas pricing firming up just due to LNG Canada, I think there'll be an opportunity for us to put more equipment to work on a very targeted basis. These types of spreads, they're not deployable anywhere and everywhere, sort of like a Tier 4 would be, because you do have to have the gas infrastructure to run them. Even today at these activity levels, our Tier 4 equipment is, you know, and what will happen with the Iron Horse acquisition, hopefully, will be that the diesel equipment that we currently have parked, which was our spare capacity, we would hope that the Iron Horse division could put that equipment to work because the parts of the basin that they operate in are more appropriate for just conventional equipment.

They don't, they're not on location long enough to justify running the natural gas engines. We've basically, with the Iron Horse acquisition, we hope that we will lose all of our spare capacity to them.

Aaron MacNeil
Director of Equity Research Analysis, TD Cowen

Got it. Okay. Just speaking of Iron Horse, you teased it a little bit in your comments, Brad, but can you just speak to maybe some of the initial feedback from customers on the announcement and, you know, just in terms of what you're hearing from them, and just kind of your response or proposition?

Brad Fedora
President, and CEO, Trican Well Service Ltd

I would say it's overwhelmingly positive. You got to remember, the customers, you know, they're consolidating. They want to know that they have service providers that are basically keeping up, you know, and have sophisticated logistics, supply chain, and safety programs, and have the ability to continue to reinvest with equipment. You know, we have expertise on the Trican side. They have expertise on Iron Horse. We're going to mine all of that knowledge, and that'll allow us to provide better service to our customers. Both our customers and the Iron Horse customers, I think, are all really positive on the deal. They have infrastructure that we can use to expand things like cementing. They were trying to grow into the north, right? We already have all that infrastructure in place. It makes a lot of sense.

Whether you're a sort of traditional Trican customer or an Iron Horse customer, your service offering should get better with this deal.

Aaron MacNeil
Director of Equity Research Analysis, TD Cowen

Got it. Thanks for the color. I'll turn it back.

Operator

Once again, if you have a question, please press * then 1. Our next question is from Waqar Syed with ATB Capital Markets . Please go ahead.

Waqar Syed
Head of Equity Research, ATB Capital Markets

Brad, Scott, thanks for taking my question. Brad, you know, obviously, you're pretty optimistic about pickup in activity with LNG Canada, but we also hear about, like, there's ample gas out there, obviously, gas storage when you look in Canada. That's a very high level. Do you really expect that from LNG Canada, there could be increased activity in the second half, or do you think mostly it's sometimes of a late, late next year type phenomena when you have your, you know, you may have your next crew out?

Brad Fedora
President, and CEO, Trican Well Service Ltd

I think it'll be a next year change, but I'm optimistic. I've failed to see how you can take 2 Bcf a day of gas out of the basin and not have it affect pricing. I think everybody underestimates how difficult it is to actually add a Bcf a day of production in Canada, right? There's an incredible amount of work that goes into that. Flush production is one thing, but keeping that production a year after you've turned the well on is a whole other issue. When you talk to the gas players in Calgary here, we all kind of chuckle at how easy people think it is to just ramp this up, right? I mean, we're all operating 24 hours a day, 365 days a year to try to grow production.

Of course, we have these wells that are very prolific thanks to the awesome hydraulic fracturing that we provide. I don't see how you're going to take 2 Bcf a day out of Canada and not have it increase price. The other thing that all of our customers are doing too is their marketing programs are so diversified now that they're not tied to AECO like they used to be, right? There are all sorts of points throughout North America. I expect that Canada will provide another good pricing point for their marketing plans. I'm optimistic about next year, Waqar. This year is probably steady as she goes, but I think people are too cynical on how long it takes gas prices to recover.

Waqar Syed
Head of Equity Research, ATB Capital Markets

Now, my second question relates to this balance between rising underlying demand, but then offset by improving completion efficiencies so that overall demand for, you know, crews or horsepower doesn't change. Like we've seen in the U.S. side with simul frac and thermal frac and all that, the footage that is completed may be increasing overall, but with the same crews or with the same or even less horsepower, industry is able to achieve more completion, you know, well footage completion per day.

Do you see anything different in Canada that you wouldn't see those kind of efficiency improvements, or it's just a matter of time that Canada catches up as well?

Brad Fedora
President, and CEO, Trican Well Service Ltd

I agree with what you said. I mean, I think people sort of forget how much wear and tear gets put on the equipment. You can work it really hard for a month, but you know, there's going to be some shop time. Over the course of a year, does it actually mean there's more equipment available? The answer is probably yes, but not as much as you might think. Of course, Canada will catch up. The only difference is the sand concentrations, they are a little bit higher here. Simul frac, it's easy to set up the equipment for that, but it's a whole other animal to get that much sand onto the location and keep up with the amount of sand being pumped.

So many of our operations are so remote, right, that it just isn't that simple when you're, you know, we're not driving down the freeway to location, right? We're a couple of hours on a gravel road. It's a lot different. There are little differences like that, which you might not see exactly what you're imagining. Everybody, including us, is always looking for a better way of doing things. Our ultimate goal is to reduce our customers' costs, right? The less these wells cost, the more they're going to drill. Their economics are very attractive. We will continue to look for efficiencies, certainly, and the fleet will, every year, do a little bit more than it was capable of doing last year. It's not, you know, the gains are getting tougher and tougher to find here.

Waqar Syed
Head of Equity Research, ATB Capital Markets

Thank you very much, Brad.

Operator

Our next question is from John Gibson with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

John Gibson
VP, and Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Morning all. Congrats on a good quarter here. Just wondering if you could talk about pricing dynamics here in Q2, expectations for the remainder of the year, and then if we get some incremental demand into 2026, how much do you think they could potentially move up next year?

Brad Fedora
President, and CEO, Trican Well Service Ltd

I think I missed that. Did you say talk about pricing?

John Gibson
VP, and Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Yeah, pricing dynamics now, you know, maybe expectations for the back half of the year. You know, if we do get incremental demand in 2026, you know, is there a potential for them to move up a little bit more?

Brad Fedora
President, and CEO, Trican Well Service Ltd

We are a touch maybe unique in that, you know, we have these long-term customers. We have a bit of smoothing on pricing, so they don't get the sort of jagged ups and downs of spot market changes because, you know, as you know, the spot market has almost all been eliminated here. I don't think you'll see any real pricing changes for the rest of this year. You'll see panic pricing in Q4, I'm guessing, like we did last year. I think the optimism about next year, I think, is going to grow, even with the service companies. I do think we'll see higher prices in the industry next year, but I wouldn't even be able to guess what they'll be. You know, there's a million things that go into pricing.

I would say if our customers are listening, that it's, you know, they're not, you know, little price changes can make big differences to our bottom line, but they're not making huge differences to the well cost. I'm not imagining anything drastic. Fair enough.

John Gibson
VP, and Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Last one for me. I'm just wondering, and you may have touched on this, if wet weather impacted operations in July at all, either for you or Iron Horse. If so, do you see some movements here into maybe late Q3 or Q4?

Brad Fedora
President, and CEO, Trican Well Service Ltd

I won't comment on Iron Horse's activity until the transaction closes, but it didn't hurt us. You know, it's not nearly as wet up north as it is here, so they didn't get all this rain that we got. We're not feeling it so far. You never know what comes, but July's been good. August looks good. September looks good. October looks good. If you get wet weather and work just gets motioned around, it's not the end of the world. It goes from one quarter into the next. It's no, not a big deal.

John Gibson
VP, and Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

You got it. Congrats on the quarter. Again, I'll turn it back. Thanks.

Brad Fedora
President, and CEO, Trican Well Service Ltd

Thanks.

Operator

The next question is from John Daniel with Daniel Energy Partners. Please go ahead.

John Daniel
Founder, and President, Daniel Energy Partners

Brad. Thank you for including me. In your prepared remarks, you made a statement about customers starting to reach out to you on 2026. I'm just curious, those that are reaching out to you, are they asking for the same? Are they asking for more? What percent of them are actually giving you some color on that?

Brad Fedora
President, and CEO, Trican Well Service Ltd

They're basically asking for more of the same equipment. They're always interested to know what we're doing from a natural gas versus diesel perspective, just given the fuel savings are so significant, right. From a % basis, it's low at this stage. I think it'll speed up, but it's no secret, like some of our customers are very thoughtful about planning 24 months out. They would stand out for sure on getting ahead of this.

John Daniel
Founder, and President, Daniel Energy Partners

Okay. If memory serves correctly, you guys were one of the first adopters of tier four dual fuel up there. I'm curious if you look at that first fleet that you built back in the day, when does that come due for its first major overhaul, if you will? When that day?

Brad Fedora
President, and CEO, Trican Well Service Ltd

Good question because it's got a lot of hours on it. I'm looking at Todd Thue here. Probably in the next 18 to 24 months, for the cost.

Scott Matson
CFO, Trican Well Service Ltd.

I mean, especially. W e would fold that into our main discount and upgrade piece, right? That's six hard years, basically, on the equipment.

John Daniel
Founder, and President, Daniel Energy Partners

I think your colleague mentioned it might be 18 to 24 months. Clearly, no decision's been made, but your gut would be in 18 to 24 months when that comes due. Do you just replace it with 100% natural gas-powered equipment, or do you go through the rebuild?

Brad Fedora
President, and CEO, Trican Well Service Ltd

I bet you we will have sort of two or, I guess, three sets of equipment. We'll have the 100% natural gas that'll get used on the longer-term paths where they can justify setting up the gas infrastructure and getting the gas to the quality standards that this kind of equipment needs, which is not easily done. It's harder to do in Canada than it is in the U.S., just given the liquids content and stuff like that. Then you'll have the Tier 4 equipment. I mean, the Tier 4 equipment's great. It allows you to run, you know, you combine Tier 4 equipment with the electric ancillary stuff like the blender and things, and you're up to sort of 80%-ish. You always have the option to go to diesel if you have any issues, right? You sort of get there.

There are a lot of customers who are like, "Yeah, that's kind of good enough because if we have gas flow interruptions, like we have to shut the frac down, right?" The third set will just be good old-fashioned diesel pumps that'll get used in places where you're on and off location quickly, and you're not necessarily using large amounts of fuel. I think we'll always have those three classes of equipment for a while yet.

John Daniel
Founder, and President, Daniel Energy Partners

Okay. That's all I have. Thank you for letting me chime in.

Brad Fedora
President, and CEO, Trican Well Service Ltd

Thanks.

Operator

This concludes the question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Fedora for any closing remarks.

Brad Fedora
President, and CEO, Trican Well Service Ltd

Thanks, everyone. Appreciate your time and interest. If there's any more questions, please let us know. We should be easy to find for the rest of the week. Thanks, everyone.

Operator

This brings to a close today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.

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