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Earnings Call: Q4 2023

Dec 14, 2023

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Transat A.T. Inc. fourth quarter results conference call. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator. Also, note that this call is being recorded on Thursday, December 14, 2023. I would like to turn the conference over to Andréan Gagné, Senior Director, Communications and Public Affairs. Please go ahead.

Andréan Gagné
Senior Director, Communications, Public Affairs and Corporate Responsibility, Transat A.T. Inc.

Thank you. Bonjour, et bienvenue à cet appel trimestriel de Transat. Hello, everyone, and thank you for attending our earnings call for the third quarter ended October 31, 2023. I'm here this morning with Annick Guérard, President and CEO, and Patrick Bui, Chief Financial Officer. Annick will provide an overview of the quarter and share comments on the current operational situation and commercial plans for the future. Patrick will also cover our financial results in more detail. We will take questions at the end from financial analysts, and questions from journalists will be handled offline. The conference call will be held in English, but questions may be asked in French or English. As usual, our investors' presentation has been updated and is posted on our website in the Investors section. Patrick may refer to it as he presents the results.

Our comments and discussion today may contain forward-looking information about Transat's outlook, objectives, and strategies. They are based on assumptions and subject to risk and uncertainty. Forward-looking statements represent Transat's expectation as of December 14, 2023, and accordingly, are subject to change after such date. Our actual results could differ materially from any stated expectations. Please refer to our forward-looking statement in Transat's fourth quarter news release, available on transat.com and SEDAR+. With that, let me turn over the call to Annick for opening remarks.

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for the fourth quarter and year-end conference call for fiscal 2023. We are highly encouraged by our financial performance in fiscal 2023, as Transat has solidified its position in the Canadian travel industry. As market dynamics gained momentum throughout the year, our team focused on meeting growing demand and on further improving operating efficiency. By taking advantage of both external and internal drivers, we exceeded our profitability target for the year with adjusted EBITDA of CAD 263 million, or a margin of 8.6% on revenues of CAD 3 billion. These solid results represent a major turnaround compared to fiscal 2022, which was still impacted by the persisting effects of the COVID pandemic. More importantly, we also exceeded 2019 levels on all these metrics.

In 2023, we also generated more than CAD 162 million in free cash flow, reflecting, in part, land sale in Mexico that we used to reduce our debt level. Generating free cash flow has become a key strategic tool for deleveraging as we continue to work on refinancing plan to optimize our capital structure. Patrick will provide you with more details in a few minutes, but this solid improvement in cash flow was a key step forward in executing our strategic plan during the past year. Other notable achievements included: pursuing our plan to optimize the size of our fleet to support medium and long-term growth. We ended fiscal 2023 with a total of 40 aircraft, up by 5 year-over-year, and intend to deploy 44 aircraft for the 2024 winter season.

Continuing to develop our network by strengthening our best-performing routes, either by increasing frequency or extending service to year-round flights and launching service to new promising destinations. Improving revenue management practices and increasing ancillary revenue sources. Continuing to establish strategic partnerships and alliances. Deploying our corporate social responsibility strategy, including our climate action plan. In fact, Transat will be releasing tomorrow its annual CSR report, a comprehensive document that presents our sustainability priorities and highlights our progress in terms of environmental protection, social engagement, and good governance. As for the fourth quarter, driven by robust yields, we delivered revenues of CAD 764 million, 10% above 2019 levels on 7% less capacity and with similar load factors. On the profitability side, Adjusted EBITDA reached CAD 89 million, capping off a strong second half, in which Adjusted EBITDA exceeded CAD 200 million.

Looking ahead to the new fiscal year, Transat will continue to focus on executing its strategic plan. A key objective of this plan is to grow customer traffic through alliances, and our recently announced joint venture with Porter Airlines represent a major step forward in this regard. By combining our respective networks, this JV will offer travelers significant benefits, including enhanced travel options across the markets we serve. This feeder network strategy is designed to accelerate expansion in our respective key markets, which, for Transat, consist of international, medium, and long-haul flights. At full potential, we expect Porter's connecting flights to account for 15%-18% of Transat passenger traffic, based on both airlines' current fleet growth plan. Turning to another important growth metric, we intend to increase available capacity by 19% in fiscal 2024. This will be achieved by a combination of four different drivers.

First, continuing our ongoing efforts to improve fleet utilization. Second, increasing the frequency of best-performing routes and European destination from both Montreal and Toronto. Third, extending service to year-round flights to key destinations. In this regard, we have announced year-round service to Lyon, Marseille, Costa Rica, and El Salvador from Montreal, which further reinforces Air Transat's leading position in the Canadian market for travel to Europe and Latin America. Fourth, beginning service to promising destinations such as Lima, Peru, and Marrakech, Morocco, next summer. South America and North Africa both represent high potential markets for Transat. While optimistic about growing the business in 2024, we are aware of potential headwinds. First, we are assessing the full impact of the Pratt & Whitney engine issue, which is also impacting other airlines in the industry. This situation involves the anticipated inspection and removals of certain engines that power A321LR aircraft.

From a fleet of 15 LRs, we currently have three aircraft impacted, and the numbers should reach five or six by the end of fiscal 2024. We have contingency plans in place to mitigate any impact, and these plans will be adapted to reflect ongoing developments. These include extending and contracting aircraft leases, using our spare engines, transferring certain routes to an Airbus A330. While these measures will involve short-term incremental costs, our objective is to maintain our position in the market. We are working in close collaboration with Pratt & Whitney. They have been supportive on all aspects, including future financial compensation. Further updates will be provided as the situation evolves. Second potential headwind, the uncertain economic environment, which has begun to affect the demand outlook of U.S. airline peers, mainly in regard to domestic travel and off-peak seasons.

However, customer demand for international leisure travel from Canada remains favorable. This is supported by our booking curves that remain solid when compared to last year. This is clear evidence that consumers want to travel, and we understand that in the current inflationary conditions, they are looking for a better price if it becomes available. At the moment, we continue to trend slightly above last year's strong yields for both the winter and summer seasons. Meanwhile, the cost of fuel continues to be volatile, and the Canadian dollar remains weak. Although we have hedging programs in place for both, any excess volatility may affect profitability in the upcoming year. Finally, Air Transat has been negotiating with its flight attendants to reach a new collective bargaining agreement. We are confident to reach a satisfactory agreement that will not affect customers' travel plans.

In closing, I want to thank our 5,000+ employees for their dedication and hard work. Driven by their passion and talent, we delivered solid financial results in 2023. More importantly, we are also well positioned for accelerated growth in 2024 through our JV with Porter, capacity expansion initiatives, and increased operating efficiency. Before turning the call to Patrick, I want to take a moment to thank him for his contribution to the company during his tenure as Chief Financial Officer. His experience in financial management and constant commitment helped Transat improve its financial performance and make further strides towards improving its capital structure. We all wish him success in his future endeavors. We were pleased to announce earlier this week the appointment of Jean-François Pruneau as Chief Financial Officer. Jean-François has over 25 years of experience in executive roles at major Quebec and Canadian companies.

His extensive experience in leading financing strategies and the financial management of large-scale companies will make him a valuable asset in the execution of our strategic plan. Jean-François will join us in a few weeks, on January ninth. This concludes my comments. Patrick will now review our financial results.

Patrick Bui
CFO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Thank you, Annick, and good morning, everyone. We are pleased with our fourth quarter results that exceeded expectations. Demand remained healthy throughout the period, resulting in a solid load factor of 88.3% compared to 2019 levels. Meanwhile, favorable pricing produced yields that exceeded 2019 levels by 25%. While pleased with the important revenue and profitability improvements for the quarter and the year, I am even more satisfied with Transat's significant cash flow generation throughout fiscal 2023. Achieving solid free cash flow was a key objective for fiscal 2023, and the outcome clearly validates ongoing efforts to improve our financial situation.

As we look ahead, our capacity to generate further free cash flow in fiscal 2024 will enable us to actively reduce debt on our balance sheet, contributing to the ongoing improvement of our capital structure. We have also announced today that we have entered into an agreement to sell our 50% equity interest in the Marival Armony Resort to our partner. The transaction is expected to generate proceeds of $15.5 million, equivalent to CAD 21.1 million. We anticipate the closing of this transaction to be finalized at the beginning of 2024, and the proceeds will be immediately used to repay senior debt. As we progress in deleveraging our balance sheet and enhancing our cash flow profile, we concurrently continue to work towards reaching a refinancing agreement.

This is a complex process that involves many parties and requires time and patience. We remain confident of striking an agreement that will benefit all stakeholders. Now, let's turn to our fourth quarter results. Revenues reached CAD 764.5 million, up 33.4% from the previous year. This increase reflects improved market conditions, driven by sustained customer demand and higher selling prices compared to last year. Adjusted EBITDA amounted to CAD 89 million, representing an 11.6% margin, compared to a loss of CAD 11.5 million in the same period last year. Of note, this significant year-over-year improvement was achieved despite higher fuel costs and a weaker Canadian dollar versus U.S. dollar.

For the second consecutive quarter, net income was positive, totaling CAD 3.2 million in Q4 2023, compared to a net loss of CAD 126.2 million in Q4 2022. Adjusted net income, which excludes items that affect comparability, was also positive, reaching CAD 15.7 million, compared to an adjusted net loss of CAD 75.9 million in the fourth quarter last year. Cash flow from operating activities totaled CAD 321.8 million in fiscal 2023, as opposed to -$177.9 million in 2022, mainly driven by improved profitability and better working capital.

Free cash flow reached CAD 162.4 million in 2023, compared to -CAD 320 million in 2022. This year's free cash flow also includes proceeds from the sale of land in Mexico, completed in the fourth quarter, which was used to reimburse CAD 53 million in debt. Given the important seasonal variations in Transat's cash flow patterns, free cash flow is looked through a rolling twelve-month window. On that basis, the CAD 162.4 million generated in the twelve-month period ended October 31, 2023, marks an improvement from CAD 152.7 million achieved in the twelve-month period ended last July. Moving on to our balance sheet.

Reflecting solid cash flow generation, our cash position totaled CAD 435.6 million as at October 31st, 2023, up from CAD 322.5 million a year earlier. Based on steady demand and higher average selling prices, customer deposits for future travel stood at CAD 754.2 million at year-end, up 25% from the end of 2022. Following debt repayment, Transat's long-term debt and deferred government grants stood at CAD 815.8 million at the end of fiscal 2023, compared with CAD 833.2 million at year-end. Long-term debt and deferred government grants, net of our growing cash position, amounted to CAD 380.2 million, down significantly from CAD 510.7 million last year.

Turning to our outlook. Considering the current business and macroeconomic environments, we are setting a fiscal 2024 Adjusted EBITDA margin target of 7.5%-9%, which exceeds our historical levels and on the right path to achieve our double-digit medium-term margin goal. Our outlook also assumes a 19% increase in available capacity through recent and planned aircraft additions, as well as further optimization in fleet utilization. This capacity will mainly be deployed to expand frequency and annualize best-performing routes, and to service recently added new destinations. Our main assumptions in deriving this forecast include: a weak GDP growth in Canada, an exchange rate of 1.33 CAD to 1 USD, and an average price per gallon of jet fuel of CAD 4.

It also assumes that we reach a satisfactory resolution to renew the collective bargaining agreement with flight attendants and that the Pratt & Whitney engine issue follows the planned schedule, which currently involves 3 grounded aircraft and should increase to 5 or 6 aircraft by the end of the fiscal year. In closing, as you know, this is my last week at Transat. I'm very proud of the progress accomplished by the entire organization since I joined in 2021. Transat has become a much stronger and resilient company that rests on a more solid financial foundation, thanks to the dedication of its teams. Despite the industry headwinds, Transat can rely on a clear and robust strategic plan and strong leadership that will enable it to continuously strengthen its financial profile quarter after quarter. This concludes my prepared remarks. We will now open the call for questions from analysts.

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Maybe just before we take questions, there is a recent development to share that we are very happy about. We have just reached an agreement in principle with CUPE, the union representing our flight attendants. Union members have been informed, and details will be presented in the upcoming days. So we are very satisfied with the result and happy that our customers can enjoy their travel plans with peace of mind. I think that now we can take questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your touchtone phone. You will then hear a three-tone prompt acknowledging your request, and if you would like to withdraw from the question queue, simply press star followed by two. And if you're using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. Please go ahead and press star one now, if you have any questions. And the first question will be from Cameron Doerksen at National Bank Financial.

Cameron Doerksen
Managing Director, Equity Research, National Bank Financial

Yeah, thanks. Good morning.

Patrick Bui
CFO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Morning.

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Good morning.

Cameron Doerksen
Managing Director, Equity Research, National Bank Financial

So maybe just a couple of questions on yields that you're seeing. If I go back to what you reported in Q3, as far as the winter outlook, you know, book to load factor was up, I think, 2 points at that time, yields up about 7%. And then with the update this morning, you know, book load factor down a bit and yields up 2.4%. I'm just wondering what you've seen, I guess, more recently with bookings for sun destinations. I mean, it sort of feels like there's been maybe some downward pricing pressure in that market in more recent bookings.

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Yeah. So we see a demand environment that remains favorable overall. When we look at the booking curve for winter 2024, it is still a strong booking curve. Consumers clearly continue to prioritize travel despite inflation. As we mentioned, yields are up 2.4% compared to last year, and load factors are a little bit below 1.3 percentage points compared to last year, but it needs to consider that we have increased capacity by 20%. So this is still very good results so far. We see, of course, a slower price growth, but prices are still tracking above last year.

What's interesting to know as well, when we look at the booking in October, is we had a Black Friday and Cyber Monday promotions that deliver robust results. The promotion reached a record sales, 20% increase versus 2022, which is, which is excellent. Clearly, people are looking to get the best possible value for money. We have witnessed slower price growth compared to last year, and we believe it will continue into 2024 because of the economic environment and the high interest rates that prevail. However, when we look at our numbers so far, we're pretty much confident that we're, we're gonna maintain a strong performance.

We believe that 2023 prices reflected a revenge travel demand on a limited capacity, whereas 2024 is returning to a more normal conditions, I would say.

Cameron Doerksen
Managing Director, Equity Research, National Bank Financial

Okay. No, that, that's helpful color. And then just on yields, I'm just wondering if you can talk a little about what you're seeing on the non-sun destinations. So I guess this transatlantic and some of the other North American routes that you have, just what you're seeing for the winter on some of those routes.

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

They're similar. It's similar. What we see right now on Europe, transatlantic, is similar to what we see on the south. We have increased our program to transatlantic routes. It is performing well. And as you know, for summer, next summer, the transatlantic program is way more important than in winter. And with what we're seeing so far, the booking curve is ahead of last year, and the yields are there as well, ahead of last year.

Cameron Doerksen
Managing Director, Equity Research, National Bank Financial

Okay. No, that, that's great. I'll pass the line and just want to pass on my appreciation to Patrick. All the best in your new endeavors. Thanks.

Operator

Next question will be from Konark Gupta at Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Konark Gupta
Director, Equity Research, Scotiabank

Thanks, operator. Good morning, everyone, and I echo my congratulations to Patrick for his retirement. I just wanted to first maybe follow up on the yield question Cam asked. Can you help us understand, like, the sequential trends in yield? I understand you had a promotion last month from Black Friday and Cyber Monday, but you know, like, if you look at yields this month versus let's say September, October, or even November, how do you see the yields trending? Like, are they trending flat or down?

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

I would say that there's a little bit higher than what we saw last year. So we are not tracking down. We're still up compared to last year.

Konark Gupta
Director, Equity Research, Scotiabank

Okay. Sequentially, like, would you say, like, sequentially, the yields have changed a lot versus, you know, last few months?

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Over the last few months, yes, this is, we, we've been witnessing slower price growth, compared to last year. And of course, this is no surprise, to us or, you know, the consumers, because the economic environment is unstable and, with the what's happening in the economy, we were expecting that. But fortunately, we're still able to, offer, you know, the right product at the right prices. So we're not, at this point, we're not very, I would say, unsecure about what's going on. We see more of a normalizing, conditions in the market in terms of pricing.

Konark Gupta
Director, Equity Research, Scotiabank

Okay, that makes sense. And in the business plan that you laid out for 7.5%-9% EBITDA margin, I know there are a lot of variables usually, but, you know, in the 19% capacity growth, are you assuming the yield and load factors overall to be down slightly for the full year?

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

No, we are not expecting them to be down. As we explained in the introduction, the increase in 19% is driven mostly by the fact that we've received a new delivery, and we will receive new delivery of A321LRs during 2024. We strongly continue to improve fleet utilization, so that's a good improvement. And basically, the growth that we're putting in place in 2024 is really concentrated on Transat's historical high-performing routes, so with very limited risk. So we are comfortable with the capacity increase that we've put in the market and with the trends that we see so far on the booking curves, both in terms of yields and load factor, it's trending in the right direction.

Konark Gupta
Director, Equity Research, Scotiabank

Great. And last one for me, on the capacity front. You have some grounding of A321LRs due to Pratt issue, and I think you'll see incremental grounding maybe toward the end of the fiscal year. Can you help us understand the cadence on capacity growth? How should we think about 19%, split over the four quarters? Like, is it more front-end loaded or back-end loaded?

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

It's mostly across the year. Of course, with the Pratt & Whitney issue, we've been able to work on several mitigation measures. We've been very, very proactive, as we said, in extending some of our leases of A330s. We've contracted additional ACMIs as well, being able to use our spare engines. So that has allowed us to maintain the capacity in the market.

Konark Gupta
Director, Equity Research, Scotiabank

Perfect. Thanks so much. Turn it over. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question will be from Kevin Chiang at CIBC. Please go ahead.

Kevin Chiang
Director, Institutional Equity Research, CIBC World Markets

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. And best of luck, Patrick. Thank you for all your help, you know, during your tenure here at Transat. Maybe I can ask, you know, the 19% capacity growth into fiscal 2024, you laid out four buckets. Are you able to kind of delineate, you know, how you would, how you'd segment that? Is it...

I suspect it's about 25% each, but, like, if you looked at what were the biggest drivers, that 19%, is it primarily, you know, the increase in service to new destinations and increasing utilization, you know, versus, you know, I think what investors are typically more concerned about, which is just increasing frequency on the same route, which I think, you know, could yield a different economic output for you than maybe some of the other levers that you called out here for the 19% capacity growth.

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

A little more, a little bit more than 90% of what we've deployed in the market in 2024 is based on increasing frequency on the historical network. So this is where we are getting the best return on investment, and this is why I was saying that we have limited risk. These are routes that where we already perform very well and that where we know that the market can accept more capacity. And we have the right tools, the right aircrafts and the right schedules as well to be able to increase our performance on these routes.

Then, of course, we have opened only two new routes, Lima, as you know, and Marrakech, but these two new routes have a strong VFR and leisure component, which is our core business, but it's very minimal in the whole scheme of things. So we are very comfortable with the capacity increase we've put in the market.

Kevin Chiang
Director, Institutional Equity Research, CIBC World Markets

I guess just the competitive response or any that you might be seeing as you've you know taken a pretty step function increase in capacity. Are you seeing you know anything from your competitors that service these same markets that you'd want to call out here? Or as you mentioned, you know, these are good markets for you, and they can kind of absorb more capacity and you know net you're earning more money off the back of this.

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

These are markets where we are very strong, where we know we have competitive advantage against competition. When we look, for instance, at winter and the south program, the overall market has increased by a little bit more than 20%. But we need to consider that in this environment, there's a lot of ULCC that have put their capacity. I think more than a third of growth to the south is generated by a low-cost airline, and Transat has an advantage with a strong customer base, you know, looking for packages that these airlines do not offer. So it's difficult for low-cost airlines to win market share without a tour operator business for south market. And this is a service, by the way, that we will offer our partner, Porter Airlines.

Kevin Chiang
Director, Institutional Equity Research, CIBC World Markets

Okay, that's helpful. Just on... I know it just kind of hit the wire as the call started, but I know it'll go in front of the rank and file for the union, and they'll vote on it. But does that impact, or maybe I'll ask it this way: the way the collective agreement that was agreed to this morning, any implication on the margin goalposts you've provided here? Or would you suggest that the collective agreement is in line with what you would have assumed in your 7.5%-9% margin?

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Yeah. No, no, we've reached a satisfactory agreement. We are very pleased and no, it will not have impact on the guidance that we've put in the market, that we've announced this morning.

Kevin Chiang
Director, Institutional Equity Research, CIBC World Markets

Okay. And maybe just last one from me. I know, I know a lot of questions on, on yields, this morning. You know, when, when you look at, I, I guess the cadence of the, of the yields as it progressed versus what you, you guided to on, on the fiscal Q3 call versus what you've highlighted here for the, for the winter season. I, I guess when you look at historical seasonal trends, you know, I, I would have anticipated yields to, to kind of slow as you kind of fill in the, the curve here. I, I mean, I guess how much of that do you think played a role in, in the, in the, in the sequential decline in yield versus anything in the demand environment?

Or maybe put another way, I suspect when you had the 7% yield increase that you called out in fiscal Q3, I don't think you anticipated you'd hold that for the full winter season as you closed in that curve. You know, the way it's coming in now, is that more in line with what you would have anticipated, you know, two to three months ago?

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Exactly. This is exactly what we had anticipated-

Kevin Chiang
Director, Institutional Equity Research, CIBC World Markets

Okay.

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

for the upcoming winter.

Kevin Chiang
Director, Institutional Equity Research, CIBC World Markets

Okay. That's helpful. I'll leave it there. Thank you very much, and congrats on a strong end to the year here.

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Thank you.

Operator

Once again, ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your touchtone phone. Next will be Benoit Poirier at Desjardins. Please go ahead.

Benoît Poirier
Managing Director, Equity Research, Desjardins Securities

Yeah. Good morning, Annick. Good morning, Patrick.

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Good morning.

Benoît Poirier
Managing Director, Equity Research, Desjardins Securities

Just in terms of guidance, I appreciate the guidance, but are there any other elements we should consider for fiscal year 2024? Just wondering if there's any catch-up in CapEx and amortization and maybe a additional color about interest expense and free cash flow, would be great.

Patrick Bui
CFO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Yeah. So just, when you think about 2024 beyond that, that guidance, I think you, you also need to think about top line. We are deploying 20%, more capacity, so that should be, reflected in, in the top line. When you think about, going down in terms of cash flow, there is a, there is a, a certain increase, in, in CapEx. There is a notion of, catch-up with, heavy maintenance, with respect to our aircraft. So, we wouldn't use last year as, as a goalpost in terms of CapEx this year. It will be heightened versus, last year.

Think of what type of CapEx we had in previous years prior to the pandemic, and should give you a better sense of what we're thinking in terms of CapEx for 2024.

Benoît Poirier
Managing Director, Equity Research, Desjardins Securities

Okay. And obviously, you've signed the new alliance with Porter is scheduled to begin to be implemented gradually throughout 2024. I was wondering if you take into account any impact or assumption for this in your new guidance, and any color about the timing on when do you expect the 15%-18% growth from Porter to start bearing fruit?

Patrick Bui
CFO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Yeah. So with respect to Porter, just to be clear, so we've announced that a few weeks ago, but, you know, we're gonna start, we're gonna take the year to implement all of the parts of the JV. There's many pieces to that. But recall that we have a code share already in place. So we do expect some benefits from that, starting in the summer, and that's factored in, into our numbers. When we think about the 15%-18% full potential of the JV, again, you know, we need to take time to implement these. But, you know, we think we'll get there, in a few years.

Think of 2026, 2028 framework to get the full potential of this, of this JV.

Benoît Poirier
Managing Director, Equity Research, Desjardins Securities

Okay. And last one, maybe for me. Any update about the timing on your fidelity programs that you're about to launch? And maybe talk about the benefits it could bring to Transat going forward.

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

This is an element that is extremely important for us. Currently, we are evaluating various options to create a Transat loyalty program. The expected timeline for implementation would be beginning of 2025. It is too early at this point to share any more information, but this is definitely something that's gonna give us an additional, I would say, tool to be able to be competitive in the markets against the competition that we have.

Benoît Poirier
Managing Director, Equity Research, Desjardins Securities

Okay. That's great color. And Patrick, it's been a pleasure to, to deal with you. Good luck in your new role, and welcome, Jean-François. I'm looking forward to, to meeting you.

Patrick Bui
CFO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we have no further questions. Please proceed.

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Thank you. No more questions, Sylvie?

Operator

No more questions. Please proceed.

Annick Guérard
President and CEO, Transat A.T. Inc.

Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Lastly, let me inform you that our first quarter results will be released on March fourteenth, 2024. Thank you, anyone, and have... Thank you, everyone, sorry, and have a great day.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does indeed conclude your conference call for today. Once again, thank you for attending, and at this time, we ask that you please disconnect your lines.

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