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Earnings Call: Q3 2021

Aug 27, 2021

Brent Charleton
President and CEO, EnWave

Warm welcome to everyone on the call. I'm very excited to discuss our performance this quarter and highlight some of the key areas of our business. Before proceeding with our call, I would like to remind everyone that the information we are about to present contains forward-looking information that is based on management's expectations, estimates, and projections. These statements are not a guarantee of future performance and involve a number of risks, uncertainties, and assumptions. Please consider the risk factors in the filings made by EnWave on SEDAR when reviewing this information. All amounts discussed will be in Canadian dollars unless otherwise noted. With the mandatory disclaimer complete, let's proceed to discuss EnWave's best-ever consolidated quarterly financial performance. The turn for both of our primary business units is well underway.

As with all of our conference calls, we refer to our patented vacuum microwave technology business unit as EnWave and our operating subsidiary that leverages Radiant Energy Vacuum, or REV for short, for branded and bulk snack products as NutraDried. I'll begin today's call with an overview of EnWave's corporate progress year-to-date and performance in Q3, as well as our plans to accelerate business growth and profitability in Q4 and into fiscal 2022. I'll also highlight several key improvements at NutraDried, which is well on its way through a material turnaround. Following my update, Dan, EnWave CFO and COO of NutraDried, will summarize our Q3 consolidated financial performance and discuss several key performance indicators that relate to the health of our enterprise. We proactively cut our expenses significantly at EnWave at the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.

This greased the skids for our team to drive efficiencies, thrive in new leadership roles, and ultimately innovate to allow our business to accelerate its growth. We're all proud of the success we've had this year, but by no means are we satisfied or complacent. We've begun the process of executing a major turnaround at NutraDried in Q3. The decision to restructure NutraDried and to change management in February 2021 has led to the creation of a sustainable cost structure, the hiring of a new capable leader of the business unit, and a far more collaborative environment within our collective enterprise. Brad Lahrman, our new NutraDried CEO, has been an excellent addition to our team, and Dan continues to shine in his dual role, supporting both business units when needed. In Q3, we did what we set out to do, turn EnWave profitable and materially turn around NutraDried.

On a consolidated basis in Q3, we had our best adjusted EBITDA in two years and our highest quarterly net profit in the history of the company at CAD 670,000. Segment highlights include NutraDried producing positive adjusted EBITDA in Q3 and about CAD 100,000 in net profit after losing millions in Q1 and Q2. EnWave generating over CAD two million adjusted EBITDA year-to-date, over a CAD 3 million improvement over the year prior, and a bottom-line net profit of CAD 547,000 year-to-date, CAD 530,000 generated in Q3 alone. Dan will expand upon our improving financial performance later, but it's clear that our prudent expense reductions, improved operational efficiencies, and the accelerating commercialization of REV technology promote sustained profitability.

In regards to our year-to-date commercialization progress, we've secured 11 new commercial licenses, four TLOAs, 3 R&D license agreements, and sold 14 10-kW machines, one 60-kW, one 100-kW, and one 120-kW for a total of 420 kW of Radiant Energy Vacuum machinery sold fiscal year-to-date. More specifically, in Q3, we signed two new royalty-bearing commercial licenses, one with Europe Snacks, a large snack food company from France who will focus on healthy snack innovation, and the other with BranchOut Food, a U.S. company who recently won the Small Business Innovator Award at the Sweets & Snacks Expo for their chewy banana snack product, an innovation developed in-house by our food science team. We also signed a TLOA with Bridgford Foods, who is collaborating with the U.S. Army to scale up the production of close combat military field rations as one of their industry partners.

We have been told by our contacts that funding to acquire a large-scale REV machine is approved for 2022, the purchase order can't be confirmed until the U.S. government officially releases those funds. Our machine sales also improved in Q3, as we sold two 10-kW machines, one to Dairy Concepts IRL, who recently launched their CheeseO's snack product into the U.K. market, and the second to NuWave Foods, who is focused on shelf-stable baked products. We resold one of the 60-kW machines purchased back from Tilray to BranchOut Food at a very healthy margin. In Q4, to the date of this call, we signed a material transfer agreement with AstraZeneca to trial the drying of several select monoclonal antibodies. We signed two new royalty-bearing licenses with two cannabis companies, Medical Kiwi from New Zealand and Cannaponics in Australia.

Both Medical Kiwi and Cannaponics purchased 10-kW GMP REV machinery. Both of these deals were generated through our exclusive channel partner in that region, a company named Scitech Australia, who's been doing great work for us. This is a clear example that our strategy to leverage international sales reps is starting to pay off. We signed a fourth agreement with Dole Sunshine Company, one of the largest international fruit and vegetable companies globally. On Thursday, we announced plans for this global strategic partnership with Dole to develop innovative nutrition solutions using fruit and vegetables. Dole purchased a 10-kW machine for accelerated product development as part of this relationship. We have been collaborating with Dole since late 2020. Our relationship is with the most senior executives within their group.

We expect to see Dole accelerate market trials through the end of this year, and if successful, acquire meaningful REV manufacturing capacity shortly thereafter. Before committing to a public relationship with us, Dole completed thorough due diligence and evaluated several incumbent technologies. EnWave's patented dehydration technology will assist Dole in bringing better-for-you snacking options to its global customer base as part of Dole's Sunshine for All commitment. I'm very excited about this relationship and the potential positive impact it could have on our business, both near and long-term. The highly anticipated startup of our REVworx toll manufacturing facility is now scheduled for Q1 fiscal 2022. There have been several delays in the construction of our facility, all caused by delays in municipal permitting, but we're past those now. We expect REVworx to be operational in early October, and the construction of the facility has been well underway.

We're currently waiting for the permit to complete the installation of proper drainage in the flooring before we commission the REV machines and start conducting toll manufacturing services. We submitted our permit application to the City of Delta, and we'll get that final approval any day now. In preparation for commercial production capabilities, we did hire a quality control person and are actively working on setting up the prerequisite programs for Safe Quality Food Systems, or SQF, and HACCP to meet the food safety requirements. Before the end of Q4, we hope to confirm the sale of new large-scale machines into the cannabis sector and several additional 10-kW sales. If we can get that done, which obviously is within a month's time here, we'll continue to see growth headed into fiscal 2022 with a lot of momentum.

Our pipeline is robust beyond these near-term prospective deals, and we hope to double the amount of large-scale REV machines sold in fiscal 2021 in fiscal 2022. Our outlook regarding the sales mix for our business hasn't changed. We continue to anticipate approximately 60% of new business coming from food licensees and 40% coming from cannabis deals. Given the rapid build-out of infrastructure and the evolving state legalization framework, we view the U.S. cannabis industry as one of the more material near-term opportunities for our company. To provide additional context regarding the size of our current U.S. cannabis opportunities, the six largest prospects we are courting collectively operate more than 70 facilities. From our calculations, it would take more than 20 120-kW REV machines to service this cultivation infrastructure.

We're confident in the future of our cannabis industry penetration given the recent compelling data that we have generated in collaboration with one of our licensees, Gentle Dry Tech, and with a significant prospect in the U.S. The data collected from drying more than 20 separate strains consistently showed a 30%-50% improvement in terpene retention compared to the room or rack-dried controlled flower. Further, the visual appeal is stellar, and the ash burns pure white, which is a key indicator of a clean, smooth experience. As more companies discover the clear advantages of EnWave's scalable and reliable vacuum microwave drying option, we believe a domino effect could occur here in the cannabis industry. Given the substantial commercialization opportunity, we continue to strengthen our intellectual property protection, the moat around our castle, per se.

Based on our current active apparatus patents, we are well protected until 2030 with our quantaREV platform and 2032 with nutraREV. We have recently filed additional patents regarding integral mechanical component improvements to further layer protection and extend the terms of our existing licenses. As for process patents, our recent patent application to protect our Terpene Max process for cannabis drying has been filed, and we hope for a favorable review soon. Our intellectual property, which also includes our process know-how, trademarks, patents, confidential information, and equipment, is integral to our business, and we will protect it at all costs. On July 28, 2021, we filed a lawsuit in the Supreme Court of British Columbia against EnWave's former CEO, Timothy Durance, and three other former EnWave employees, Gary Sandberg, Bino Anand, and Reihaneh Noorbakhsh, and three companies associated with Durance, including Dehydration Research, LLC, and Durance Technologies, Inc.

We are also pursuing claims against Primo Fabrication, LLC, BC Hop Company Ltd., Dwayne Stewart, who is BC Hop Company Ltd.'s president, several companies doing business as Peregrine Precision Systems, and Sean McLean, who is a principal of Peregrine Precision Systems. In our notice of civil claim, we allege that Timothy Durance and other defendants associated with Durance have used and disclosed EnWave's confidential information in breach of obligations owed to EnWave. The notice of civil claim seeks damages, an accounting of profits, and injunctive relief. On July 30th, 2021, we filed an injunction application seeking orders restraining Mr. Durance and his companies from selling or supplying vacuum microwave dryers pending trial.

On August 20th, 2021, the court granted an order prohibiting Mr. Durance and his companies and anyone acting in conjunction with them from selling, attempting to sell, supplying, delivering, or installing vacuum microwave dryers pending the hearing of EnWave's injunction application. The date for that injunction application has not yet been determined. The order will remain in effect until then. We will share further updates as they become publicly available. NutraDried's turnaround will continue under the new leadership of Brad Lahrman, our new CEO, and with the support and collaboration from the EnWave team. Plain and simple, NutraDried is focused on cash flow and managing working capital to ensure sustained financial stability in the near term while pursuing plans to rapidly increase distribution, improve velocities, and launch incremental new Moon Cheese products and build out its bulk and private label business to stimulate growth.

We've seen growth in velocities across grocery year-over-year of approximately 30% over the past 24 weeks. NutraDried's innovation pipeline has been activated, and we plan to launch select, well-tested new formats and products in fiscal 2022. We've also raised Moon Cheese pricing online and are exploring viable options for brick and mortar. We're also looking forward to working with our new grocery broker, Alliance Sales & Marketing, to deliver growth and distribution in the coming months. The significant upside in cheese snacking will keep us focused in the space. Americans love cheese, and the U.S. shelf-stable cheese snacks category, which is now $1.2 billion in value, is growing mid-single digits each year. Further, the all-natural cheese snack section is growing at a clip of 35%-40% per annum. NutraDried plans to be opportunistic with new snack mix introductions as well as new dairy-based product formulations.

We plan to dial up promotional efforts to drive trial and velocity in fiscal 2022, win meaningful new checkout lane placement, and expand the distribution of our core Moon Cheese products in core channels. We recently secured single-serve placement of our one-ounce items in a subset of Walmart stores in the U.S., signaling the progress is well underway. Club and convenience channels will also be targeted for growth, and we hope to announce new wins in the coming months. Our entire team is bullish on the future of NutraDried and prospective performance in fiscal 2022. With that, I'll now turn it over to Dan Henriques, EnWave CFO and NutraDried COO, to summarize our Q3 financials.

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

Thanks, Brent. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us on today's call. I'd like to take some time to review the Q3 financial results. Please note the figures I'll be going over today can be found in our press release from this morning and in our financial statements and MD&A that are filed on SEDAR, and all amounts will be in Canadian dollars unless otherwise noted. I will also make reference to adjusted EBITDA, which is a non-IFRS financial measure. Please refer to the non-IFRS financial measure disclosures and reconciliation to GAAP net income in our MD&A. We are very proud of the financial results achieved for Q3, with both EnWave and NutraDried reporting strength in margins and positive adjusted EBITDA. Last quarter, we communicated our intention to significantly cut spending and turn around NutraDried, and we followed through with that plan.

Our results in Q3 reflect a nice combination of revenue growth at NutraDried and a reduction in SG&A spending. In Q3, we reported consolidated net income after taxes of CAD 670,000, marking our highest-ever quarterly consolidated net income. For reference, our consolidated net loss for Q2 was CAD 2.2 million and CAD 1.1 million for Q3 2020. There is still plenty of runway for us to continue to grow both business units into consistent profitability, but this makes us very confident in the merits of our business model. The financial performance in Q3 is attributable to three main trends. First, EnWave's REV machine sales continue to expand, and our margins from selling machines improved with a lower manufacturing cost structure. Second, NutraDried's revenues rebounded after securing new opportunities to sell bulk product, improved grocery distribution, and co-manufacturing opportunities.

Third, we significantly reduced SG&A expenses at NutraDried as part of the restructuring announced in February. We got the full benefit in Q3 after reducing staffing and purging non-essential spending on consultants and agencies hired by former management. I will now take you through some of the highlights from our Q3 2021 financial results. Consolidated revenues in Q3 were CAD 7.3 million, with CAD 3.5 million coming from EnWave's technology business and CAD 3.8 million from NutraDried's product sales. Overall revenues were CAD 1.3 million higher in Q3 2021 relative to Q3 2020 and CAD 2.7 million higher than Q2 2021.

A nice improvement. EnWave's quarterly revenues of CAD 3.5 million for Q3 2021 were higher when compared to Q3 2020 by CAD 1.9 million and higher than Q2 by CAD 1.2 million. In Q3, our machinery sales grew with revenue from three new large-scale machine orders as well as three smaller-scale machines.

We continue to see growth in the frequency of machine orders from both new licensees and repeat orders from existing licensees adding capacity, an encouraging trend. NutraDried's revenue was CAD 3.8 million for Q3 relative to CAD 2.3 million for Q2, an increase of CAD 1.5 million. Our sales at NutraDried improved relative to Q2 due to the addition of several new bulk B2B product sales opportunities, an incremental new channel NutraDried has begun to aggressively pursue.

Over the coming quarters, we expect to continue to grow our bulk sales from our dried cheese products going to complement our branded business. We really like the bulk channel as it yields strong, clean margins for us. We are also pursuing a number of co-manufacturing opportunities at NutraDried as part of the new growth strategy that's in place. Our royalties for Q3 were CAD 191,000, compared to CAD 144,000 for Q3 of 2020, an increase of CAD 47,000.

With two large machines recently installed and three underway, we expect our royalties to continue to grow as our licensees build commercial momentum with their different products. In Q3, we reported a consolidated gross margin of 36%, up from 26% reported in Q3 2020 and just 10% in Q2 2021. Our consolidated gross margin lift in Q3 was driven by higher margins at EnWave and NutraDried. We took significant steps in NutraDried to get costs under control and properly align manufacturing resources with demand. The benefit of these cost controls improved our gross margin in Q3. The addition of bulk ingredient sales at NutraDried created incremental sales volume. That added to our margin as well.

Over the coming quarters, our objective is to grow NutraDried margins through the use of installed plant capacity, growing the bulk and co-manufacturing revenue streams, and expanding the distribution points and sales for our branded Moon Cheese. The new management team at NutraDried is now laser-focused on managing our production costs and inventories. EnWave's margin profile in Q3 continued to benefit from our lower and variabilized cost structure to manufacture and deploy REV machines. We redeployed two large-scale machines originally purchased by cannabis customers into new royalty partners for higher margins. In the near term, we expect our cost structure at EnWave to remain at current levels and are focused on driving margin growth through the sale of additional REV machinery and growing our royalties. Now turning to SG&A expenses.

We told you in February when we announced the restructuring of NutraDried that we'd significantly lower SG&A spending in that business unit. Our combined SG&A expenses, inclusive of R&D for Q3, was CAD 2.2 million compared to CAD 2.9 million in Q2, a total reduction of CAD 700,000 in the quarter. We were serious when we said we'd drive unnecessary expenses and staffing out of NutraDried, and we gained the full three-month benefit of these reductions in Q3. We reported G&A expense of CAD 1 million in Q3 2021, compared to CAD 1.2 million in Q3 2020, a reduction of CAD 200,000. Relative to Q2, our G&A expenses were lower by CAD 179,000. We do not anticipate significant increases to G&A expenses over the near term and now have a sustainable cost structure in place in both business segments.

We reported sales and marketing expenses of CAD 831,000 in Q3, compared to CAD 1.5 million in Q3 2020, a reduction of CAD 618,000. Relative to Q2, our sales and marketing expenses were lowered by CAD 473,000. Our biggest area of cost reductions at NutraDried was reducing the use of expensive marketing agencies, consultants, and reducing staffing, focusing our marketing spend on working dollars as opposed to agency fees and managerial costs.

We've aligned our sales and marketing budget with the size of our business at NutraDried, providing us with the tools we need to grow the business in a profitable manner. As we launch new products and invest in driving velocities where we have distribution, we'll add in marketing dollars where we can generate strong returns. We also told you last May that we'd right-size our SG&A expenses at NutraDried while still investing in areas that will allow us to scale.

At both EnWave and NutraDried, we have the appropriate infrastructure in place to allow us to scale the businesses while appropriately managing expenses. Our adjusted EBITDA, a non-IFRS financial measure, please refer to our MD&A for the reconciliation from GAAP net income to adjusted EBITDA, was a profit of CAD 937,000 for Q3, a substantial improvement compared to a loss of CAD 1.9 million for Q2 and a loss of CAD 1.1 million for Q3 of 2020.

We also reported a positive GAAP net income of CAD 670,000 in Q3, our highest quarterly positive net income ever. Both EnWave and NutraDried reported positive adjusted EBITDA in Q3, a stark improvement at NutraDried from where we were just three months earlier. There's still a lot of work to do as we grow both businesses, closely controlling spending will be part of each and every decision we make. Turning to the balance sheet.

Our balance sheet and treasury position at the end of Q3 continues to be very strong. We're cash strong and using it to invest in growth and buying back stock. Our cash position was CAD 15.3 million, up from the CAD 14.7 million on September 30th, 2020. Notably, we reduced our inventory balance at NutraDried and now have much better control over our inventory relative to product sales, something the past management neglected.

Through the first three quarters of 2021, we generated CAD 3.7 million in cash from operating activities and CAD 780,000 alone in Q3. We're using the cash we generate for growth, including investing CAD 1.8 million into new plant and equipment, primarily for the new REVworx toll processing facility. Our net working capital position is CAD 19.7 million, our balance sheet remains, in practical terms, debt-free, except for our facility leases and a small low-interest COVID-19 relief loan received by NutraDried.

In October 2020, we implemented a Normal Course Issuer Bid and obtained TSX Venture Exchange approval to repurchase up to 10.9 million common shares. Far this year, we've repurchased 279,700 common shares at a weighted average price of CAD 1.16 per share for a total use of CAD 323,000. We continue to use the NCIB while not in blackout conditions to further return stock value to our shareholders. With that, I'd like to turn it back to Brent for his closing remarks.

Brent Charleton
President and CEO, EnWave

Thanks, Dan. I think you've made it abundantly clear that we have materially improved our performance in Q3 and have set the table for continued growth. Given our strong consolidated financial performance in Q3 fiscal 2021 and anticipated solid consolidated Q4 numbers, we are planning to begin investing again modestly towards investor relations to amplify our business progress in the capital markets. We obviously pulled back on a lot of our expenses through COVID to ensure that we had the appropriate cost structure to run our business. We will be conducting several virtual roadshows in September and plan to maintain consistent activity onwards to obviously support the great progress that we hope to be making.

If our marketing efforts in the capital markets, combined with much improved financial and commercialization progress, don't stimulate market capitalization improvement and a fair value from the perspective of EnWave's executive management and board, we will consider using our NCIB to purchase back large amounts of stock. EnWave and NutraDried are operating with appropriate cost structures and collaborating to best improve total enterprise value. Our leadership group is collaborating more than ever before, and our executive management incentives are well-aligned. Further, we have multiple employees from both organizations that are working together on projects to either benefit EnWave's royalty partners or NutraDried's product portfolio expansion and sales growth. We have made smart, opportunistic business decisions year to date fiscal 2021, which has led to our vastly improved financial performance in Q3. It will take continued prudent management and measured risk to achieve our commercialization goals in fiscal 2022 and beyond.

We're committed to remaining fluid and will react appropriately to evolving market opportunities. As we look forward to fiscal 2022, both NutraDried and EnWave share strong optimism regarding continued growth and improved financial performance. Our leadership group will continue to execute on our business plans to further expand and accelerate the commercialization of REV technology through machine sales, royalty generation, toll manufacturing, and branded consumer packaged goods product sales. With that, I'd now like to open the call for your questions. Operator, please provide the appropriate instructions.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad at this time. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Participants on the webcast can use the Ask a Question box located on the left side of the screen to submit written questions. If there are any outstanding questions at the end of the call, the company will be happy to take them by email at ir@enwave.net.

Once again, that's star one to register a verbal question at this time, or webcast participants can use the Ask a Question box located on the left side of the screen. Our first question is coming from Steve Hansen of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Steve Hansen
Analyst, Raymond James

Oh, hey guys. Congratulations on the great results. Quite the turnaround. Just a couple from me to start with. Brent Charleton, can you just reiterate, I think you said in your prepared remarks that you're expecting machine sales to double over the current year, with one more large one to come. Was also wanting to ask you just to clarify some of your comments on the cannabis opportunity. I think you said the sixth-largest prospects represent a potential opportunity of X, but I missed it in the commentary, so I apologize.

Brent Charleton
President and CEO, EnWave

Yeah. No problem at all, Steve. In terms of performance through the end of Q4 here, we have not just one, but a handful of large-scale sales opportunities, which we're hoping to obviously complete to hit the mark, which we provided as guidance for fiscal 2021 of five large-scale and 10 kW. We've clearly surpassed the 10 kW mark and hope to obviously meet and/or exceed the large-scale guidance we provided. For fiscal 2022, based on the pipeline of anticipated upscaling from several of our current royalty-bearing licensees, as well as new licensed partners from both the cannabis and food space that we're working, a realistic target that our entire group is focused on hitting is 10 large machines. On the small scale, we'll likely increase that internally to 15, based on the cadence of sales that we're seeing to date.

In terms of the companies that we've signed NDAs with and are actively courting in the U.S. cannabis space, I mentioned that they had 70 or more than 70 facilities, collectively, that they're operating through. It would take more than 20 large scale 120 kW machines to satisfy that infrastructure. That's obviously assuming 100% saturation. That's certainly part of what's played into our guidance for fiscal 2022.

Steve Hansen
Analyst, Raymond James

Very helpful. That's great to clarify. Just if we want to take a step back then and think about the cannabis opportunity near term. You described that you could see some sort of step change in the acceleration of adoption, I mean, just thus far as you look at the benefits, what has been the trigger point on the sales? Is it the new data that's come through, you described a 30%-50% increase, I think in terpene retention, for example? What is it that's really catalyzing the sales in that space right now from your perspective?

Brent Charleton
President and CEO, EnWave

I think seeing is believing, and the ability to collaborate with several of our current licensed partners in that vertical and allowing prospects to come and see large-scale machinery in operation and run trials themselves on our 10 kW units and collecting the data that proves out what we're telling them when we provide our sales pitch is key.

I mean, because it's almost too good to be true when we're saying, "Okay, yes, 30% - 50% more terpenes typically, and better THC and CBD and the smoke is still as good as it would be if it was room or rack dried." That's all great to say, but you have to prove it, and we now have all the tools to prove that, and I think that's why we feel confident that once we can push over the next few dominoes, that it will become an effect in the U.S., especially with the companies that we're in active dialogue with.

Steve Hansen
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay. Helpful. Just quickly on the Dole relationship, because that is a new one that seems to be quite significant. Can you just describe what the milestones are that you expect to see under this new arrangement that will allow them to accelerate that product opportunity for themselves and then ultimately translate into additional machine sales?

Brent Charleton
President and CEO, EnWave

Sure. I have to keep it very high level given the confidentiality requirements between our two companies. I will be forthright in saying that I think that this relationship could evolve into something significantly material for EnWave within the next 12 months. They purchased a 10 kW replacement at one of their facilities to allow for production of smaller amounts of product to trial in several different countries globally. The purpose of that obviously is to gain enough confidence to then acquire, could be multiple large-scale lines to satisfy the manufacturing capacity that will be demanded for entering those markets. They have a huge internal push here to diversify into shelf-stable, better-for-you snacks. Beyond the snacking project, which we hope to see some of their products in the market actually in the North American geography soon, they are interested in ingredient processing too.

Of course, part of our sales pitch to fruit and vegetable market is the ability to dry C-grade materials or offcuts and then convert that into functional ingredients. I really do believe that this Dole relationship has massive potential, not only on the snack side, but expanding into the ingredient space.

Steve Hansen
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay, great. Just one last one for me, and I'll jump back in the queue. Just on the consolidated financial performance, Dan or Brent, obviously a strong performance from the EBITDA and the net income side. Is that a trend that can continue here? You're describing growth, but you're also describing some added investments. I'm just trying to get a sense for whether we can continue to see a positive EBITDA clip going forward.

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

Yeah, I'll take that one, Steve. We had a very strong Q3. We got the full benefit of the cost reductions we made at NutraDried. We pulled out the unnecessary expenses that weren't creating returns on investment. We don't intend to add any of those back over the next coming quarters at NutraDried. That should continue to support strong consolidated financial performance in the next quarters here. We added in the new channels for sales at NutraDried also. We started selling our product in bulk format to be used as ingredients and inclusions in other snack items, trail mixes, and things like that. We're continuing to get new wins in that channel. We expect the turnaround at NutraDried to continue. We don't need to increase spending at NutraDried to achieve growth.

We have the tools that we need to go out and address the market opportunity. Short answer, I think we're not entirely around the corner at NutraDried, but we're 80% there. There's still some more work to be done, but we can expect better performance in the next few quarters here.

Steve Hansen
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay, great. Appreciate the time. Thanks.

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

Thanks, Steve.

Operator

Thank you. Once again, that's star one to register a question or use the left side of the webcast screen for the ask a question box. Our next question is coming from Joseph Silla, a private investor. Please go ahead.

Joseph Silla
Shareholder, Private Investor

Yes. Hi. I'd like to know about your finished goods inventory. It seems that sales are made and then it takes months to install a machine. Can you shed any light on your current finished goods inventory and what your prospects are for building, especially if you're expecting to double your machine sales next year? Thank you.

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

Sure. I'll answer that one for you. Our revenue recognition policies for machine sales are for large machine orders. We record revenue over time using percentage of completion. As soon as we get an order and start making progress towards delivering the machine, revenues start to appear in cost of goods in our P&L. On the 10 kW machines, we get an order, we recognize the revenue once we finish installing and training the machine for our partner. Sometimes that can take a couple of months depending on delays in either installation of the machine, facility readiness and things like that. Sometimes we'll announce machine orders that we don't book the revenue on for one quarter or maybe even two quarters for 10 kW machines. It can take some time.

Those machines will stay in our finished goods until they're installed and the operator's trained on how to use them.

Joseph Silla
Shareholder, Private Investor

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Neil Linsdell of iA Capital Markets . Please go ahead.

Neil Linsdell
Analyst, iA Capital Markets

Good morning, guys. Great. Congratulations on a fantastic quarter. I'm trying to unpack how well you did on the NutraDried side. Obviously, with the loss of Costco, the year-over-year numbers are down, but it was kind of a surprising increase. Even if I back out the bulk cheese sales, it looks like on Moon Cheese, do you want to share your percentage improvement?

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

We don't break it down by percentage, but I will tell you that our velocities in regular grocery distribution are improving. The conditions that we had in Q2 in the marketplace have improved heading into Q3. We're seeing shoppers go back to normal, go to multiple stores to get the goods they want. That's helping improve our velocities in the grocery channel. Yes, we added the bulk channel to our sales, which helped in the quarter, obviously. If you back that out, we're still seeing velocity improvements, so like the units per store per week are going back up to where they were pre-COVID. That's an encouraging trend, Neil.

Neil Linsdell
Analyst, iA Capital Markets

Okay. That's great to hear.

Brent Charleton
President and CEO, EnWave

Yeah.

Neil Linsdell
Analyst, iA Capital Markets

On the bulk, Sorry, Brent, go ahead.

Brent Charleton
President and CEO, EnWave

I was going to say just about margin improvement too. Obviously there was a dramatic improvement from Q2 to Q3, up to 20% gross margin. When we see that business normalizing and hitting what we expect as being a modest manufacturing capacity increase, the gross margin should be somewhere in the range of 30%-35%. There's still obviously great room for improvement both on the operational side and performance side. When we talk about performance, just a couple of details to add. We got our first purchase order from Lidl for 10-ounce cheddar, which is a good sign getting into that style of distribution, sort of focused on club area.

One caveat to this growth prospects with NutraDried is hopefully that fourth wave of COVID doesn't stall a lot of these meetings that have already been set up and the momentum that we're currently generating. That would be the one caveat. Other than that, we're incredibly optimistic about NutraDried's future and continued turnaround.

Neil Linsdell
Analyst, iA Capital Markets

Sounds good. Would you at some point be thinking about breaking out the bulk cheese sales in your revenue breakdown? Or can you give us an idea, is that really going to be a new stable business that's going to continue and grow? Or is it more lumpy, do you think?

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

It's absolutely going to be a new channel that we continue to sell into. In terms of the quantum, we may have ups and downs just like any other channel, but because of the volume going to specific customers and their ordering patterns. In this quarter, we had four big customers that were doing most of the buying. If one of those changes, that can affect quarter to quarter results in bulk. Over time, if you were to add it all up, we expect the channel to grow and we're just starting to scratch the surface. There's a lot of interest in the snack marketplace to have healthy inclusions and innovation in things like trail mix and those types of products has been fairly stale over time. This brings something new that's starting to generate some interest.

I think we can expect it to grow over time. We may have good quarters and bad quarters in terms of bulk, like any other business. As we add more customers, it'll begin to stabilize, and it'll become more predictable.

Neil Linsdell
Analyst, iA Capital Markets

Okay, great. Then with Walmart specifically, you talked about that. Could you just explain the number of stores you're going into now, or what happened in Q3 versus what's going to happen in Q4 and going forward with Walmart? Does that include Sam's Club, or

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

Yeah.

Neil Linsdell
Analyst, iA Capital Markets

What do we think of that?

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

We got two items, our 1-ounce format into about 400 stores right now. It's going into the checkout lane, so it's at the front of the store. We have been told by the broker that if it's successful, it could expand into 1,300 stores in the U.S. We've already received the orders, and we expect that stuff to be on shelf here, in the next, call it six to eight weeks. If it does well, we hope it'll expand into more parts of the store. It's a good toehold into that retailer because ultimately we want to get to the center of the store at Walmart. We want to be in the snack aisle. We're hoping this first entry point could lead to more growth with that retailer.

Neil Linsdell
Analyst, iA Capital Markets

Okay. I understand, thanks. For the SG&A, you kind of surprised me in talking about you're not going to see increases in SG&A go from Q3 into Q4 into Q1 despite all this kind of ramp-up in activity or the new product sales. Is it because we're still not seeing those trade shows or travel that you might otherwise do, or you just feel like you've got a great platform here and you can really leverage it up?

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

Yeah. We're going to attend trade shows where we can. We've got Expo East coming up at the end of September that by what we're being told now is still going ahead in Philadelphia. We don't expect travel to increase over the near term just yet. We still have a lot of buyers in the U.S. doing things over the phone. They're taking meetings, which is a good step towards reopening, but they're not going places physically like they used to, flying around, and our sales team won't be flying around. We've been doing this kind of stuff for the last year anyways, so I don't think that we need to add in much more expenses to fuel growth. The expenses we've pulled out aren't things we plan to add back.

Neil Linsdell
Analyst, iA Capital Markets

Okay. Any thoughts about putting another unit into NutraDried?

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

Well, there's some opportunities on the horizon.

Neil Linsdell
Analyst, iA Capital Markets

Yeah

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

That could lead to co-manufacturing growth that could require a third machine. Obviously, if those opportunities materialize, we will install the capacity we need. It's contingent on growth. As we continue to grow and win more distribution and grow the co-manufacturing and bulk channel, we'll add in that machine when we need it.

Neil Linsdell
Analyst, iA Capital Markets

Okay. Great.

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

In short, maybe for 2022, given some large opportunities that we'll obviously confirm when they're signed, if they're signed.

Neil Linsdell
Analyst, iA Capital Markets

Great teaser. Okay. Just going back to the Dole again, just want to make sure I understand. It looks like it could be a potentially huge relationship there going forward, starting off pretty small with the 10K unit. Is it all dependent on new products or new channels that Dole is working on, or would it be something that would be used in existing products? I'm thinking about their Dippers products. You've got some freeze-drying or some freezing there with their banana pieces. Are you trying to integrate any of your technology or anything from Elea into the Dole products? Can you just explain the development of the products and what we should be looking for going forward?

Brent Charleton
President and CEO, EnWave

Yeah, sorry, just to clarify, I think you mentioned Elea as well in that question. Elea is pulsed electric field technology, which is a pretreatment to vegetables and fruits for certain applications. It's not being considered for the Dole applications that would be prospectively going to market in the very near term here. In terms of the area, or the portfolio, it's an expansion. They're going into, obviously, shelf-stable, better-for-you snacks that are dried versus what we typically would see, either canned or the small packs in juices and what have you. That would be relatively new to Dole. That is one part of the project.

The other part, as I mentioned earlier, is early-stage engagement with their ingredients division, which would be essentially employing REV as a consolidator of processes to get to the point where the offcuts and/or B or C grade materials can be in dried form, ready for powdering, and then being used as functional ingredients. It's a twofold project at the moment. In terms of the ongoing collaboration, there was a question submitted online too about this, like what does it mean, this global strategic partnership? Is it just you sell the 10 kW license and that's it? No, no. We're heavily intertwined with their leadership in marketing, new product development, and senior executives on leveraging our tech as much as they possibly can, to carve out a competitive advantage in the marketplace.

We're talking about weekly calls and commitment from the highest levels in their organization to move quickly. This is not like a 2025 project. This is like a now project, where they're going to commit the necessary capital to get the infrastructure in place. They'll likely leverage some of our current royalty-bearing licensees to get early-stage product. Ultimately want to take manufacture in-house, obviously to better control their cost of goods.

Neil Linsdell
Analyst, iA Capital Markets

Okay, great. All right, great. Congratulations and good luck.

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is a follow-up coming from Steve Hansen of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Steve Hansen
Analyst, Raymond James

Yeah. Hey, guys. Just to follow up on the REVworx startup and commissioning. Dan, I think you described pretty well the timeline to get things going, but I'm just curious if you could remind us where we're at from sort of a capacity commitment standpoint and where you're at in the pipeline there to fill that out.

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

For sure, Steve. The project was delayed a little bit due to getting some permits from the city here in Delta. We got all the permits we need except for one, so we're just waiting any day now to get the final permit for the modifications we did to the flooring to get the sloped floors installed so we can have the best food-grade facility. We expect the machine to go in sometime in mid to late September. The flooring should be going in in the next week or two here, and then there's a curing of a week, and then we're going to start putting the machine in. Everything else is pretty much ready. If things go according to our plan right now, we expect to have the commissioning and startup process completed at some point in October.

From there, we can start to pursue those certifications. By all accounts, we should be starting to receive revenue from REVworx at some point in Q1 2022, hopefully. It'll start out modest as we start to bring customers into that new vertical. We've had tangible interest from a number of companies. We haven't taken contracts or committed out anything beyond sort of non-binding capacity offerings, just because we don't want to overpromise and have our partners make plans to launch products and then have delays in our startup of our plants and certifications. We're getting the interest. Our sales and business development teams are working on a number of leads to bring product into the pipeline there. We think we have good prospects to have REVworx up and running and producing revenue for us in 2022.

Steve Hansen
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay, that's helpful. Thanks, guys.

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

Thanks, Steve.

Operator

Thank you. I'd like to turn it over to Mr. Charleton for the web questions today.

Brent Charleton
President and CEO, EnWave

Thanks very much. We have several web questions submitted, and we'll go through the ones that haven't already been addressed with the voice questions here. The first was in reference to licensee activity. One question submitted was asking how many of the 48 current active licenses are actually paying royalties and how many are what we consider as dormant or on pause. Looking at that portfolio of licensees, about 10 or so I would classify as being slow in starting their commercialization with smaller scale machinery and still trying to find their niche. We have about 10-11 larger payers that we're seeing rapidly accelerate their royalty quarterly payments, then the rest have been growing modestly.

That all being said, we have three large-scale machines set for commissioning within the coming, call it two to three months here, which should hypothetically ratchet up the amount of royalty potential for our business immediately. As I mentioned, we're looking to hopefully secure new large-scale orders before the end of Q4, and there's the prospects of delivering those machines in a very consolidated timeframe to again, ratchet up the royalty potential for fiscal 2022. As with all projects, some of them will be outstanding and we'll get great success from them. Like anything, some won't be as successful. That gives you an idea of where we stand today. The second web question submitted was pursuant to our Q3 numbers and asking if those numbers are a likely indicator of our performance moving forward through Q4 and into fiscal 2022.

As Dan alluded to earlier, our cost structure is relatively stable here. Been forthright with our bullishness on near-term opportunities to finish off Q4 and into fiscal 2022. Assuming that this pipeline converts into tangible commercial success, we do believe that our numbers going forward should be positive and be moving in the right direction. Dan, do you have any further comment that you'd like to share on that question?

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

That sums it up. We've pulled back on expenses at NutraDried, and we have the tools we need to scale the business. We got to go execute, but everything's headed in that direction.

Brent Charleton
President and CEO, EnWave

Great. Okay. Another question asked, when will the AstraZeneca proof of concept work be completed? That's underway basically this week. We anticipate that proof of concept work to be completed before the end of calendar year. We may decide to do a few different iterations of the trials which they're requesting. Then following that, of course, we're hopeful that they'll acquire their own testing machinery or continue testing via ourselves or GEA Lyophil, our partner in the pharma space, on a paid basis. More to come on that later, we hope. Next question was asking about the bulk sales manufacturing model at NutraDried. So I'll pass it over to Dan to just briefly explain the benefit of selling bulk versus some of the branded opportunities.

Dan Henriques
CFO and COO, EnWave

Yes. It's a pretty simple sales proposition. When we produce our Moon Cheese, the first thing we do after we take it off the drying line is it gets packed into bulk boxes, and then it'll sit there for a few weeks before it heads over to seasoning and packaging for our finished goods. We now have customers that want that dried cheese, and they want to use it for inclusion in snacks, trail mixes, things like that. It's a typical B2B sales model. We take POs. We don't have long-term contracts in place, but we take POs for bulk from customers that need it, and they pick it up at our facility, so we don't incur freight. It's a clean margin when compared to our branded product sales. We don't incur commissions, we don't have trade spending, we don't have to promote it.

It's a clean margin with an invoice and a payment. That's the general model. There's a lot of interest, I think I mentioned earlier, in this kind of inclusion for snacks and mixes and things like that. We're now out talking to other snack companies, trail mix companies, some of the big players in that space, trying to get their interest in using our formatted cheese as part of their innovation pipeline, and we're getting some good results there. We hope to see that continue.

Brent Charleton
President and CEO, EnWave

Thanks, Dan. One of the questions that came through the web portal was, do we plan to increase or improve the access to retail shareholders in the U.S. to trade EnWave? I'll just in short respond that yes, due diligence is underway, trying to determine the best option to improve the ability for retail shareholders in the U.S. to trade our stock versus over the counter. More to come on that hopefully in the coming months here. Next question is to do with expectations, the range from the ongoing litigation, obviously I can't comment further than what we've already discussed on the conference call today in terms of an update. As promised, we'll provide pertinent public updates as they come forth.

What I also want to add is that this effort really sets a precedent that we're not huff and puff and threats that we're going to sue people if we feel that they're in breach of certain agreements. We'll actually follow through, and the reason we'll follow through is because we absolutely need to protect the cornerstone of our business, which is our intellectual property portfolio. That's what allows us to charge royalties to these large companies leveraging REV technology for their commercial benefit. Last question that was being submitted that I'll answer today is regarding the U.S. Army asking, okay, well, great. Prospectively, they'll move forward with a large-scale machine if the funding is released, as they have communicated to us in late fiscal 2022. How big can this be? How many machines can the industry partners potentially buy for the production of military rations?

Because we don't know how big this is going to get. What we do know is that the two primary applications that have already been developed, tested, and approved for inclusion would require, at a minimum, one large-scale machine, likely two. We're talking about two components when there's many different ration packs with many different components. We know that the product application development continues at Natick, where the folks at the U.S. Army are developing other potential inclusions. In all likelihood, it will be a number of industry partners producing these bespoke inclusions for future use. In short, we know that there's potentially one coming down the pipe for next year. How big can this be? We don't know. Okay.

With that and answering all the questions submitted through the web portal, I'd like to thank everyone for their participation today and allowing Dan and I and John to provide you with a pertinent update on both business units and the direction that EnWave Corporation is going. I reiterate our confidence in how the cost structure has evolved and our outlook with the robust pipeline we have in both businesses. Thanks very much.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This concludes today's event. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and have a wonderful day.