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Earnings Call: Q3 2014

Oct 31, 2014

Operator

Good morning, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the AbbVie Third Quarter 2014 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be able to listen only until the question and answer portion of this call. You may ask a question by pressing *1 on your touch-tone phone. This call is being recorded by AbbVie. I would now like to introduce Mr. Larry Peepo, Vice President of Investor Relations.

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

Good morning, and thanks for joining us. Also on the call with me today are Rick Gonzalez, Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer, and Bill Chase, Executive Vice President of Finance and Chief Financial Officer. Joining us for the Q&A portion of the call are Laura Schumacher, Executive Vice President, Business Development, External Affairs, and General Counsel, and Mike Severino, Executive Vice President of R&D and Chief Scientific Officer. Before we get started, I remind you that some statements we make today may be considered forward-looking statements for purposes of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. AbbVie cautions that these forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated in the forward-looking statements.

Additional information about the factors that may affect AbbVie's operations is included in our 2013 annual report on Form 10-K and in our other SEC filings. AbbVie undertakes no obligation to release publicly any revisions to forward-looking statements as a result of subsequent events or developments, except as required by law. On today's conference call, as in the past, non-GAAP financial measures will be used to help investors understand AbbVie's ongoing business performance. These non-GAAP financial measures are reconciled with comparable GAAP financial measures in our earnings release and regulatory filings from today, which can be found on our website. Following our prepared remarks, we'll take your questions. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Rick.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

Thank you, Larry. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. During today's call, I'll spend a few minutes on our strong results in the quarter, as well as our performance since we launched as an independent company. I'll also discuss our pipeline advancement, including forthcoming data and other milestones. I'll turn the call over to Bill, who will provide additional color regarding the quarter and our outlook for the remainder of the year. We'll also make sure we leave enough time for your questions. Since launching AbbVie 22 months ago, we have focused on driving strong performance, creating shareholder value, and building a robust pipeline to drive future growth. To that end, we have delivered a total shareholder return of more than 90%, representing $40 billion of shareholder value creation.

Today, we reported robust third-quarter results with adjusted earnings per share of $0.89, significantly exceeding our guidance range for the quarter. This included operational sales growth of more than 8%, also ahead of our outlook for the quarter. We drove this performance with double-digit growth across a number of products, including Humira, Synagis, SYNTHROID, Duodopa, and CREON. In the quarter, we also delivered improvements in gross margin and continued to invest in the business for future growth. For the second time this year, we significantly raised our full-year EPS guidance range for 2014, reflecting the robust performance of our underlying business and positive trends we expect through the remainder of the year. This guidance reflects EPS growth for 2014, despite the headwinds created by the loss of exclusivity in our lipids franchise.

Our results demonstrate the strength and sustainability of our portfolio, they underscore our continued focus and execution. Our third quarter results were led by Humira, which delivered nearly 18% global operational growth. Humira's performance was driven by several factors, including continued market growth resulting from increasing penetration across therapeutic categories and geographies. As we've indicated in the past, Humira's broad label and new indications are a competitive advantage. We recently reported positive results from our phase III studies of Humira in HS, a chronic inflammatory skin disease that currently has no approved treatment options. We're on track to submit our U.S. and European regulatory applications for HS this year. We've also spent the last several years developing and implementing a strategy that we believe will protect and grow our leadership position in immunology, including product enhancements and intellectual property.

Behind Humira, we have a number of promising immunology assets in development. As a result, we are confident in our strategies to defend our position across our immunology categories. Our interferon-free HCV therapy represents another exciting vehicle for strong growth. We are on the cusp of approval with the regulatory reviews progressing very well. We are actively engaged with regulators on various fronts and have completed our pre-approval manufacturing and clinical inspections. As we said at a healthcare conference last month, we do not expect that an advisory committee meeting will be required prior to U.S. approval. In anticipation of U.S. commercialization by year-end and European approval in early 2015, we've built the appropriate infrastructure and are fully prepared for our launch. Our next-generation HCV program also continues to progress well. We're currently conducting phase IIb studies and expect to transition to phase III development in 2015.

Beyond HCV, we have a robust pipeline of promising development programs. These programs span specialty therapeutic areas and include both biologics and small molecules. All told, we have more than 40 active clinical development programs underway. This includes 12 products in phase III development or currently under regulatory review. We have a high level of enthusiasm in our oncology pipeline, which includes 10 new molecular entities being studied in more than 55 clinical trials. In collaboration with Roche, we will present additional data on ABT-199 at an upcoming medical meeting, including phase I data on AML and early data from a trial combining ABT-199 with GAZYVA. We'll also see data from a large single-agent study in relapsed refractory CLL patients with 17p deletion in early 2015.

As a reminder, if the data warrant and regulatory authorities agree that ABT-199 addresses an unmet medical need in this patient population, these data have the potential to support an early pathway to registration. veliparib is our PARP inhibitor in development for a wide range of solid tumors. Over the past year, we have initiated four pivotal studies. This includes phase III trials in neoadjuvant breast cancer, BRCA breast cancer, and most recently, two studies in non-small cell lung cancer that include patients with squamous and non-squamous cancers. We are also excited about ABT-414, our anti-EGFR monoclonal antibody drug conjugate being evaluated in combination with chemotherapy for glioblastoma multiforme, the most common and most aggressive type of malignant primary brain tumor.

We were recently granted orphan drug designation for ABT-414 by the EMA and FDA, and we are moving aggressively to start a phase II study in patients with GBM by early next year. Also in our late-stage development on our oncology pipeline is elotuzumab, in partnership with Bristol Myers Squibb for multiple myeloma. Results from the pivotal trial in relapsed refractory multiple myeloma patients are expected in early 2015. Our late-stage neuroscience pipeline includes daclizumab and DUOPA. daclizumab is in development for the treatment of multiple sclerosis. Despite advances in the MS category, there continues to be a significant need for novel, high-efficacy agents with favorable benefit risk profiles, and we believe daclizumab has the potential to be an important therapy in this large and growing market.

We presented promising pivotal trial data earlier this year, which demonstrated patients treated with daclizumab had a statistically significant 45% reduction in annualized relapse rates versus AVONEX. We have begun to engage with global regulatory authorities and are working with our partner to complete our regulatory applications in the first half of 2015. DUOPA is AbbVie's novel therapy for advanced Parkinson's disease. It is currently under regulatory review in the U.S., with an FDA action expected in early 2015. elagolix is our compound in phase III development for endometriosis and phase IIb for uterine fibroids. We continue to expect to see initial data from the first of two pivotal studies in endometriosis later this year and plan to report top-line data shortly thereafter. We will also see data from the mid-stage program in uterine fibroids next year as well.

As I mentioned, we have a number of promising immunology assets in development, including oral selective JAK1 inhibitors, several biologics, and biologics currently in mid-stage trials. We expect to see data from the selective JAK1 inhibitors next year, allowing us to make a decision regarding phase III development. In summary, we delivered excellent performance in the quarter, and our pipeline continues to evolve. We are on the verge of a number of important milestones, including the commercialization of our interferon-free HCV combination, and we are prepared for a successful launch. AbbVie is poised to deliver top-tier performance, including strong sales and earning growth beginning in 2015. We have a high degree of confidence in our strategy and our performance. With that, I will turn the call over to Bill for a more detailed view of our results. Bill?

Bill Chase
EVP of Finance and CFO, AbbVie

Thank you, Rick. This morning, I'll review our third quarter performance and provide an update on our outlook for the remainder of 2014. This was another very strong quarter for AbbVie as we exceeded our guidance on both the top and the bottom line. Total sales increased 8.3% on an operational basis, excluding a 0.5% unfavorable impact from foreign exchange. Humira delivered global sales of more than $3.2 billion, up 17.8% operationally and up 17.5% on a reported basis. In the U.S., Humira sales increased 25.3%, driven by continued market expansion, strong prescription trends, and share gains, partially offset by a reduction in retail buying patterns. Internationally, Humira sales grew 10.3% on an operational basis, excluding a 0.6% unfavorable impact from exchange.

International growth was driven by strong underlying trends, including the uptake of new indications and share gains, was partially offset by the timing of shipments in international markets. We continue to see double-digit market growth for Humira in most international markets. Certainly, we are well on track to significantly exceed our original full year guidance for Humira. AndroGel sales were $232 million, down 6.7% from the prior year. We continue to see a notable slowdown in the market with overall prescriptions down significantly. However, we did gain share from competitors during the quarter and benefited somewhat from favorable pricing trends. U.S. sales of SYNTHROID were $200 million, up 24.3% year-over-year. SYNTHROID maintains strong brand loyalty and market leadership despite the entry of generics into the market many years ago. The overall market has experienced low single-digit growth, with SYNTHROID growth outpacing the market, including pricing trends.

Global LUPRON sales were $196 million in the quarter, up 0.4% on an operational basis. LUPRON continues to hold a leadership position and maintain significant share of the market. U.S. CREON sales were $148 million in the quarter, up 47.6%. CREON maintains its leadership position in the pancreatic enzyme market, where the product continues to capture the vast majority of new prescription starts. Growth in the quarter benefited from a favorable comparison to the prior year quarter. Sales of Synagis were $109 million in the third quarter, up 18.3% on an operational basis. Synagis, which protects at-risk infants from severe respiratory disease, is a seasonal product with the majority of sales in the first and fourth quarters of the year. Growth in the quarter was driven by continued product uptake and strong commercial execution.

Sales of Duodopa, our therapy for advanced Parkinson's disease, approved in Europe and other international markets, were $56 million, up 20.8% on an operational basis this quarter. Performance is in line with recent trends as well as our full-year outlook for the product. Sales in our lipid franchise were down significantly due to generic competition. We expect these trends to continue for the remainder of 2014. I'll turn now to the P&L profile for the third quarter. The adjusted gross margin ratio was 81.1%, somewhat above our expectations and up 140 basis points year-over-year. This reflects the loss of exclusivity in our lipid franchise, offset by favorable mix impacts across the portfolio, as well as margin-enhancing initiatives we've implemented.

Adjusted SG&A was 26.4% of sales in the third quarter, up more than 9% year-over-year, reflecting continued investment in our growth brands and preparations for our upcoming HCV launch. Adjusted R&D was 16.2% of sales in the third quarter, up more than 14% versus the prior year quarter. As expected, our absolute R&D investment was up sequentially over the second quarter as we increased funding of our mid- and late-stage pipeline assets and additional Humira indications. Adjusted net interest expense was $53 million, and the adjusted tax rate was 22.4% in the quarter. Third quarter adjusted earnings per share, excluding non-cash intangible amortization expense and specified items, were $0.89, well above our previous guidance range of $0.77-$0.79. On a GAAP basis, earnings per share were $0.31.

You will recall that in early September, we updated our third quarter and full year GAAP EPS guidance to reflect upfront payments related to the Infinity and Calico agreements, which were treated as specified items. Also, in accordance with the final regulations issued to the pharmaceutical industry in the third quarter by the IRS, AbbVie has booked an additional year of its branded prescription drug fee, which we have treated as a specified item. By way of background, starting in 2011, the pharma industry was required under the Affordable Care Act to begin paying a fee based on branded prescription drugs sold to the U.S. government. During the third quarter of this year, the IRS issued final regulations, which changed the recognition of the fee from the period in which the fee was paid to the period for which the fee is owed.

As a result, the industry is now required from an accounting perspective to recognize in 2014, one additional year of the fee. There is no cash flow impact of this one-time adjustment. Due to the timing of the termination of the Shire transaction, the majority of one-time costs related to that event were reflected in our fourth quarter results. Moving on to our outlook for the remainder of the year. This morning, we significantly raised our adjusted EPS guidance for 2014. We now expect adjusted earnings per share guidance of $3.25-$3.27. As a reminder, our 2014 outlook continues to exclude any potential revenue from the expected 2014 U.S. launch of our HCV therapy. Our revised GAAP guidance for the year includes the full impact of the Shire transaction costs. Given our strong product performance, we now expect sales to exceed $19.5 billion in 2014.

We're forecasting an adjusted gross margin ratio of approximately 79% for the year, reflecting product mix and actions we've taken to further improve our margin profile. We expect full year R&D expense to be somewhat above 16% of sales as we continue to advance our late-stage pipeline.

We expect SG&A expense of around 27% of sales in 2014. We are forecasting net interest expense of about $250 million for the full year, and we continue to expect an adjusted tax rate just above 22%. As you know, our business generates significant cash flow, and we expect this to grow in 2015 and beyond with new product introductions. As a result, we announced last week that AbbVie's quarterly dividend will be increased by more than 16% to $0.49, beginning with the dividend payable in February 2015. We intend to maintain our strong commitment to a growing dividend going forward. We disclosed a new $5 billion share buyback program to be executed over the next several years, further reflecting our commitment to return cash to shareholders.

Overall, we are very pleased with our strong third quarter performance, as well as our outlook for the remainder of 2014. With that, I'll turn it back over to Larry.

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

Thanks, Bill. We'll now open the call for questions. Elan, we'll take our first question, please.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your touch-tone phone. Our first question is from Chris Schott from JPMC.

Chris Schott
Analyst, JPMC

Great. Thanks very much for the questions. First one here just for Rick. Operationally, AbbVie seems to be obviously firing on all cylinders here. With the Shire deal, you highlighted the potential for greater access to your cash flow as well as the diversification that deal would bring. On those two topics, first, can you talk about your access to cash flow and your ability to deploy capital on an ongoing basis with your current tax structure and the recent dividend increase? Second, on the business development side, what is the sense of urgency at this point to further diversify AbbVie? Can you give us any color on the range of M&A options you're considering? Specifically, should we think of Shire as a one-off, or would the company still consider pursuing large cap acquisitions? Thanks very much.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

Okay. Hi, Chris. It's Rick. This question has come up a couple of times now since the termination of the Shire agreement and in the backdrop of the Shire agreement. It's important to put it in perspective and important to acknowledge that at the outset, there are certain attributes of the Shire transaction that made it unique and out of the normal course of our M&A strategy. I'd say specifically, the potential for inversion is only offered with target selections of very significant size, and the benefit of inversion allowed for an acquisition price that was obviously higher. One of the things that you must remember as we approach the opportunity with Shire was against the backdrop of where was AbbVie overall, because that's an important perspective to keep in mind.

If you think about the prospects of our business, they were never brighter than they were when we approached the Shire transaction. We've cleared most of our significant LOE events. Our growth brands are exhibiting extremely strong growth, particularly Humira. We've built a deep mid and late-stage pipeline with several potential blockbusters, which we believe will allow us to drive top-tier EPS growth starting in 2015 and beyond. HCV is a good example of that. ABT-199 is a good example of that. daclizumab is a good example of that, and there are many more. While it's fair to ask the question, has our M&A strategy changed following the Shire affair, it's also important to acknowledge that we're a company that's in an even stronger position today than we were before we announced this deal. Today's earnings show that very clearly.

The base business is running stronger than our guidance at the beginning of the year suggested to us. We have a much better idea of the size of the HCV market and our potential to stake out a significant position in that market. We've had positive data readouts on ABT-888. ABT-199 continues to perform well, and we've continued to be active in the BD&L front. There are no developments really that have happened to our business. In fact, any development that's happened has actually been a positive development that don't leave us with a tremendous amount of confidence that we can drive the level of performance that we have projected and the level of performance that we need going forward from 2015 with our base strategy. Which brings me to M&A.

If you look at our cash flow and our ability to access that cash flow, we clearly have the wherewithal to be active in the M&A front. What's more, is we have a track record in our ability and our willingness to pursue and acquire attractive assets, assuming two things: It makes strategic sense, and they have a good financial return. That's essentially the criteria that we use. We've always said that our highest priority for our cash is to deploy it to further grow the business and make the business more and more healthy going forward. I think you can expect us to continue to do exactly that, deploying cash to acquire attractive on-market and pipeline assets to further enhance our growth. What I don't think is that we absolutely have an imperative to run out and do another $50 billion deal.

In fact, I would tell you, we don't have that imperative. It's unlikely that we would do another $50 billion deal. As I said before, Shire is a unique opportunity based on a number of different factors, some of which don't exist in the same way as they did before. The underlying growth prospects for AbbVie don't require us to do a transaction that size. I'd also say we're not going to limit ourselves to what we do. We look at individual products, we look at mid-size companies, and we look at larger companies. We're going to continue to do that and continue to look for those opportunities that strategically fit and give us a strong financial return. We'll deploy our capital accordingly.

The other thing I'd say is we have always committed that we'll return cash to shareholders, and that's a commitment that we've made as part of our cash. You saw us do that here recently with the dividend increase and the buyback program. Those are the two priorities for the cash. The cash isn't trapped. Obviously, we have access to the cash for offshore acquisitions. We have access to the cash if we choose to repatriate it. Obviously, we have an incentive to look outside the U.S. first if we choose to, but we have total flexibility as it relates to our cash.

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

Thanks, Chris. Elan, we'll take our next question, please.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Jami Rubin from Goldman Sachs.

Jami Rubin
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you. Can you all hear me all right?

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

We sure can.

Jami Rubin
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay, great. Thank you, congratulations on a terrific quarter.

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

Thanks.

Jami Rubin
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Maybe this is either for Rick or Bill. Clearly 2015 is shaping up to be a huge year. I think 2014 turned out to be a much bigger year than you or anybody else anticipated, just given the profitability of the base business. 2015 is really shaping up to be a very big year with the hep C launch. As we move out beyond 2015, post the HCV launch, can you comment on the pace of earnings growth? Obviously, with biosimilar competition towards the end of the decade for Humira, that's going to have an impact on your earnings growth. Will 2015 be a one-off year, or how should we think about the pace of earnings growth going forward? Then a second question for you, Rick. We have a lot more information now about the hep C market.

We now know the pricing of the new Gilead combo. We've seen the spectacular initial launches of HARVONI. Can you comment on how, I think earlier at one point you talked about achieving a 20% market share in this massive market. Will you refresh us on your expectations, just given how much more information we have now? Thanks very much.

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

Thanks.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

Well, Jami, this is Rick. First, I'd say on the expectations for 2015 and beyond, obviously we're not going to give guidance out multiple years, but I think I can frame it this way for you. If you look at what we expect to be able to deliver out of our pipeline, including HCV and other assets like ABT-199, we have a high level of confidence that we can continue to drive strong growth over the long term. As far as the biosimilar impact is concerned, obviously that's something we have looked at, and we have carefully analyzed, and we've had now a number of years to put a strategy in place that we believe will protect Humira through that period of time. We've obviously modeled what that looks like, and I can tell you we have confidence in what we can do in that area.

I'm not going to give you a lot more specifics on that at this point. We've described in detail what it looks like, that it's a combination of three major areas, product enhancements, both formulation as well as device, intellectual property, and commercial strategies. This is a market we understand well, and as I said, I think we have planned this out very well, and I think we have a high level of confidence in our ability to be able to execute that strategy in the face of biosimilar competition. There will be a time where we can give you more color. I know this isn't very satisfying to you. There'll be a time where we can give you more color. This just is not the time to be able to do that. We have to make sure that we've planned this out appropriately.

In the future, we will be able to give you a little more detail around that. As it relates to hepatitis C, what I would tell you is this, if you look at the hep C market and HCV for us, it's a very exciting opportunity, and I will tell you it's a very important opportunity for AbbVie. Let me say, in the backdrop of we're getting very close to entering the U.S. market once we're approved, it wouldn't be prudent for us to provide a lot of specific details around our commercial strategy or our go-to-market strategy. But what I can do is I think frame for you how we think about the competition in the marketplace, how we think about the marketplace. I'm not going to provide an expectation at this point, but I'll give you some perspective, I think.

As we've said many times before, we believe the clinical performance of our product across all patient types is very strong, and it's especially strong in the cirrhotics and difficult to treat patients. We believe that will be an important factor in how we compete in the marketplace. We believe relapse rates and SVRs are important. We still don't believe that minor differences in pill count or shorter duration of therapy in certain patients will significantly change the competitive dynamics in this marketplace. In fact, I tell you, in our interactions with many KOLs, they indicate that they're going to go with 12 weeks of therapy in patients to minimize the risk of relapse in those patients. As far as the market is concerned, to the point you made, we see the market as being even more attractive than we thought about it a year ago.

It's certainly bigger than we thought. It's far more receptive to high cure rate therapies that are highly tolerable, and the market wants alternatives. That's clear. I can tell you, we feel very good about our ability to compete in this market and create meaningful share for our product. But as I said, I'm not going to go through a lot of specifics around the commercial strategy until we've launched. The last thing I'd say is, as you know, the 2014 guidance we provided excludes any HCV revenues. So it's not counting on any HCV revenues. Whatever we get in HCV will obviously be upside. But certainly when we provide 2015 guidance and product-specific detail, at that point, we will provide you with what our expectation is for HCV for 2015. Thanks.

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

Thanks, Jami. Our next question please, Elan.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from David Risinger from Morgan Stanley.

David Risinger
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Yes. Thanks very much. I missed a little bit of the call. I just wanted to ask a couple questions about some of the select product upside. I guess specifically, maybe you could just make an overall comment on whether inventory levels changed at AbbVie between the end of the second quarter and the end of the third quarter, i.e., was there a buy-in or buy-out for the company overall? Second, were there any buy-ins for any select products of note? Third, with respect to Kaletra ex-U.S., I don't know if you commented, but that was unusually strong. Could you just explain that revenue number in the quarter and what we should think about for the fourth quarter ahead sequentially? Thank you.

Bill Chase
EVP of Finance and CFO, AbbVie

David, it's William Chase. Inventory I'll discuss in really two different pieces. You've got inventory at wholesalers, obviously you've got inventory in the retail chain. At the wholesaler level, our inventories across all products in the U.S. was roughly consistent between quarter two and quarter three. The retail channel's a little tougher to call, as you know. In Q2, we did see some speculative buying in advance of a price increase around Humira. We think some of that buying came out in Q3, although obviously it didn't mute the overall performance of the brand to a meaningful extent. In general, at the wholesale level, everything was consistent quarter to quarter. From a Kaletra ex-U.S. standpoint, that product is subject to some volatility based on tender timing, and you saw that in the third quarter.

I think the long-term outlook for this brand is probably somewhat negative from a single-digit standpoint. I think what you're really seeing in Q3 was the anomaly of tenders internationally.

David Risinger
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Got it. Thank you.

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

Thanks, David. Elan, next question, please.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Marc Goodman from UBS.

Marc Goodman
Analyst, UBS

Yeah, I was hoping you could give us a flavor for how much of the pre-spend for the HCV launch is already showing up in the quarter here, and how much additional we should be expecting in the fourth quarter and the first quarter. Second, if you could just go through what data we will be seeing at ASH.

Bill Chase
EVP of Finance and CFO, AbbVie

Marc, William Chase. We're not going to get into specific details on how much of the HCV investment we've put in. Suffice to say, we have obviously begun spending this year. You should expect that spending to increase sequentially in the fourth quarter, and that's been reflected in the profile guidance we've given.

Marc Goodman
Analyst, UBS

Change in sales force, has that started already?

Bill Chase
EVP of Finance and CFO, AbbVie

Excuse me?

Marc Goodman
Analyst, UBS

Sales force.

Bill Chase
EVP of Finance and CFO, AbbVie

We are all ready to go on HCV. We're just waiting approval.

Marc Goodman
Analyst, UBS

That's already reflected in the third quarter?

Bill Chase
EVP of Finance and CFO, AbbVie

It is.

Michael Severino
EVP of R&D and Chief Scientific Officer, AbbVie

On your question regarding ASH. This is Michael Severino. I'll take the question regarding ASH. There's going to be a number of important presentations on ABT-199, our BCL-2 inhibitor. This includes initial single agent data in AML. We'll also provide a number of updates on our ongoing earlier studies, an update on our RITUXAN plus ABT-199 study in CLL, including an update on patients who have stopped therapy. We're going to have first data on a chemo combination study of bendamustine plus RITUXAN plus ABT-199 in non-Hodgkin's lymphoma in DLBCL. There'll be a number of other updates, including ABT-199 and GA101 in CLL from early phase studies.

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

Thanks, Marc. Elan, we'll take our next question, please.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Jeffrey Holford from Jefferies.

Jeffrey Holford
Analyst, Jefferies

Hi. Thanks very much for taking my question. Just on your HCV program that you mentioned, do you expect to bring a nuke at all at any point into your next generation program? Give us any updates on how you think you might go about that, if that's the case. Secondly, around margins. As a result of some of the cost savings you would have looked at as part of the Shire transaction going forward, did you see any opportunities in the base business going forward that you can look at for further margin enhancement? Then just lastly, this will be for Rick, of course. Are you concerned that by highlighting your underlying tax situation, that you could have potentially made the company vulnerable to a takeover by a foreign company going forward? Thank you.

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

Mike, why don't you cover the first question?

Michael Severino
EVP of R&D and Chief Scientific Officer, AbbVie

Sure. This is Michael Severino. With respect to our plans for hep C, we feel very good about both our current generation hep C program and our next generation hep C program, which is advancing very nicely through the clinic. We're currently in phase II-B studies with our next generation program. That combines our next generation protease inhibitor and our next generation NS5A inhibitor. Things are progressing very well. We're going to continue to evaluate these data as they roll out, and we'll be providing updates in appropriate scientific settings over the course of the next year. We're always looking at promising mechanisms in our early discovery efforts, and we'll continue to evaluate those efforts in light of the clinical results I described as well.

Overall, though, I feel very good about the progress we're making in hep C, and I think we're going to have a compelling offering with first generation. It's an area that we're committed to, and it's an area that we will remain active in.

Bill Chase
EVP of Finance and CFO, AbbVie

Jeff, on cost savings, I can tell you this is an organization that has always been focused on driving cost out of the business. I think you can see that to an extent on the progress we've made on gross margin, and certainly we keep our eye open for those things all the time. I think in 2015, if you look at some drivers behind the business, the dynamics trend favorably for operating margin expansion. Obviously, the TRICOR, TRILIPIX LOE event is fully behind us at that point. You're seeing the efficiency efforts play out on gross margin, and we would obviously expect a strong positive impact of the HCV launch, which offers both a high gross margin as well as SG&A profile improvement.

Too early to get into a specific operating margin number for you for next year, but I'm confident we're going to have a nice story to tell on this when we get into it next year.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

On your question about potentially being a takeover target, let me address it this way. If you look at our situation about offshore cash, we're certainly not unique in our industry. In fact, I'd say we're pretty consistent with how our industry tends to operate. I don't know that we flagged anything in the process. Essentially, I'd tell you that our goal as a company is to stay a strong, sustainable, independent company. We've demonstrated that we can drive strong shareholder value. You see that in the TSR that we've delivered. You see that in our market cap. I can tell you, my focus is on driving the business at top-tier performance, building out a robust pipeline, and delivering strong returns for shareholders.

My philosophy is if you do that well, the market rewards you both in your P/E as well as your market cap, that's the focus that we have for the business, and that's what we pay attention to going forward.

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

Thanks very much.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

Thanks, Jeff.

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

Elan, next question, please.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Colin Bristow from Bank of America.

Colin Bristow
Analyst, Bank of America

Morning. Congrats on the quarter.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

Thanks, Colin.

Colin Bristow
Analyst, Bank of America

Just on HCV, arguably your most competitive versus HARVONI in the treatment-experienced cirrhotics with the TURQUOISE-II data. Given you excluded prior protease inhibitor patients, how should we be thinking about this from a labeling perspective? Can you just help us quantify the size of this population? Then just a little more on the label. I know it's hard, but how confident are you that you can get a 12-week label in the treatment-experienced cirrhotics, and how important is this for you from a commercial perspective? It seems like the FDA is a very high bar for the SVR sacrifice versus duration of therapy. Thanks.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

We're in the midst right now of dialogue with the agency over labeling. It's just not appropriate to talk about a lot of the specifics that we're talking through with them. I can tell you we feel comfortable with our data set in cirrhotics and across all the other patients. We certainly feel comfortable when we look at our 12-week and 24-week data in cirrhotics. Both have excellent SVR performance. We don't feel at all uncomfortable with the direction that our labeling is going in. PI failures.

Michael Severino
EVP of R&D and Chief Scientific Officer, AbbVie

This is Michael Severino. Treatment regimens are obviously evolving considerably. I think I would point to the overall breadth of our data, both in cirrhotics and outside of cirrhotics. We feel very good with our profile. We have very high SVR, very high cure rates. Again, we feel very good about the profile that we see. I think that's probably. Yeah.

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

Okay. Thanks, Colin.

Colin Bristow
Analyst, Bank of America

Thanks a lot.

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

Next question, Elan.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Alex Arfaei from BMO Capital Markets.

Alex Arfaei
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Good morning, thank you for taking the questions. Bill, could you please build on your earlier comments about gross margins? What specifically are these margin-enhancing initiatives that you're referring to? Is this what we can expect going forward? We would only expect gross margin going up with hep C. Follow-up, could you please give us an update about your efforts to simplify your current hep C regimen with fewer pills, please? Thank you.

Bill Chase
EVP of Finance and CFO, AbbVie

Yeah, Alex, regarding the gross margin line, a couple things are at play on that line. First and foremost, as you know, we have obviously lost TRICOR and TRILIPIX, which had a higher than average gross margin than the corporate rate. That's some headwind we've actually been facing over the last couple of years, and you can see we've negotiated that nicely. Offsetting that has been a couple things. First of all, there is an impact of product mix and pricing. Equally important, there have been efforts that we've put in place to reduce cost, and that could be manufacturing cost, supply chain cost, as well as, of course, to address some of our royalty burden on Humira as well. You're seeing some of that play out this year.

Next year, obviously, with HCV coming online, we would expect that to have a gross margin that would be higher than the corporate mix. Humira obviously has been performing very nicely as well, and that ought to have a benefit on that line item as well.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

Alex, this is Rick. You kind of broke off when you said the last question, I think what you asked was, what are we doing to work on simplifying the regimen for HCV? Is that what you asked?

Alex Arfaei
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

That's correct, yes.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

Okay. Well, let me start with what I commented on before. We don't believe the difference in pill burden is going to be a competitive disadvantage. First and foremost, I'd tell you that. The second thing is we are working on some ways to be able to simplify our regimen with the current generation, and those continue to progress well. Next generation obviously has significant simplification associated with it as well, and that'll be an advancement as well. We have an active program in both areas to move it forward. We're not at a point where we're going to talk a lot about it beyond that, but we are working on ways to simplify the regimen and continue to make sure that we're advancing the regimen.

This is a market that I can tell you we're absolutely committed to for the long term, and obviously, we're investing in a way to be able to continue to sustain our position in the market. Thanks, Alex. Next question, please, Elan.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Mark Schoenebaum from ISI Group.

Mark Schoenebaum
Analyst, ISI Group

Hey, guys. Thanks a lot for taking the question.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

Sure.

Mark Schoenebaum
Analyst, ISI Group

Number one, if I may, do you guys happen to have data out there in the hep C market around how many patients are actually under the active care of a treating specialist? That's a data point that one of your competitors historically has provided and declined to provide in the most recent quarter. Just wondering if you have a view on that. Number two on hep C, have you generated yet any data for your regimen in VICTRELIS or in INCIVEK failures? Finally, on Humira, could you just give us the year-on-year price versus volume change, please? Thank you.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

Thanks, Mark. As far as the data of the number of patients under active care with specialists, I'm assuming you're talking about hepatologists and infectious disease specialists.

Mark Schoenebaum
Analyst, ISI Group

Yes.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

Our people know that, to be honest with you, I don't know that number. Does anybody else in the room know that number?

Bill Chase
EVP of Finance and CFO, AbbVie

Yeah, I don't think we have that one for you, Mark.

Mark Schoenebaum
Analyst, ISI Group

No problem.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

Maybe as a follow-up, we'll try to provide that. I can tell you that as we've geared up commercially, we obviously believe that it's important, and I've seen the numbers, that a significant percentage of the patients are under the care of specialists. I'd also tell you that they're based on the massive number of GI specialists. That's also an important commercial channel to cover, and we have scaled our sales force to cover both aspects of it, both specialists as well as GI physicians as well. I don't remember, Mark, the actual split between the two.

Bill Chase
EVP of Finance and CFO, AbbVie

Mark, on Humira, you really have a tale of really two different markets. In the U.S., we have typically been able to take some price along with the category. If you really look at volume trends, script trends, which this quarter were very, very strong, you can pretty much get back to the 25.3% growth on the quarter by looking at that strong TRX and really reconciling it back to the price increases we've taken this year. Ex-U.S., we typically see negative price. Ex-U.S. is primarily more than 100% volume. On a total brand basis, yeah, I think you can think of price this quarter netting out in the mid-single digits and the rest being volume.

Mark Schoenebaum
Analyst, ISI Group

The PI failures?

Michael Severino
EVP of R&D and Chief Scientific Officer, AbbVie

This is Michael Severino. With respect to data on PI failures, those aren't data that we've generated yet. It's something that we would look at and maybe do in the future.

Mark Schoenebaum
Analyst, ISI Group

Thanks a lot.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

All right. Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Our next question is from Steve Scala from Cowen.

Steve Scala
Analyst, Cowen

Thank you. I have two questions. First, on HCV, AbbVie would appear to have a potential competitive advantage in the sickest patients, where treatment to 12 weeks might be necessary, and I know that AbbVie isn't going to reveal pricing today. Given this possible competitive advantage, what are reasons that AbbVie would not price at a premium? Maybe you can provide at least one reason why AbbVie wouldn't price at a premium. Second, a bit of a broader issue. AbbVie has done a terrific job maintaining Humira's position as the leading TNF despite very similar competitive products and very high price points. It seems that your competitors that sell basal insulins and inhaled asthma products could have learned from your strategies.

As managed care seems to be rotating among the big therapeutic categories and attempting to extract price, why won't we see this happen in TNFs? Thank you.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

Okay, this is Rick. I'll try to answer your two questions. Although I'd say your first question basically asked me about our pricing strategy, which I'm not going to go into any detail. What I would say to you is, we've looked very carefully at the overall market, how our product would be positioned in that market, our ability to be able to take share, and we've come up with a strategy that we believe optimizes our ability to take a meaningful share position. We've looked at alternatives that were different, some of which similar to what you described, and some of which weren't similar to what you described. We've come up with what our commercial strategy will be, and we're going to execute that upon launch of the product and approval of the product. At that point, we'll provide you more color.

On Humira and payer actions, what I would tell you is this: We have competed in this market for a long, long time. Obviously, in the U.S. market, the payer component is a very critical component. It's an area where we have good relationships with payers. There have been lots of competitive entrants into this market, and I'd say predictions of Humira's market share erosion, and that hasn't occurred. It's partially because if you look at the product and its ability to be able to perform clinically, if you look at the breadth of the menu of applications and indications that it has, that plays a very important role. I don't see the payer dynamic changing significantly in anti-TNFs going forward. This has been a competitive market for many years now.

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

I would say, Steve, this is Larry, that we certainly feel good about how 2015 settled out for us with payers on Humira.

Steve Scala
Analyst, Cowen

Thank you.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

All right. Thanks, Steve. Next question, please.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Vamil Divan from Credit Suisse.

Vamil Divan
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Yeah. Thanks for taking the questions. Couple here. Just one, you recently announced this $5 billion buyback program. Can you just let us know if you've already started executing on that program? If so, how much buybacks have you completed this quarter? I guess specifically, I'm just wondering in terms of what your share count expectations might be that are baked into your new 2014 earnings guidance, and is it a very different number from what we saw at the end of the third quarter? The second one kind of following up on Chris's question earlier on M&A. You talked about size. Can you talk a little bit about maybe therapeutic areas that might be of a priority now, for example, rare diseases, where Shire is obviously strong? Is that an area in particular that you may wish to invest more?

Any thoughts around areas of investment would be helpful. Thanks.

Bill Chase
EVP of Finance and CFO, AbbVie

Vamil, obviously the quarter's not done yet, the fourth quarter, that is. We do intend to, when the year finishes, you'll see that we have repurchased shares, but I can't give you exact guidance on what that number's going to be at this point in time.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

Vamil, on the M&A strategy, this is Rick. I think if you look at what our strategy is for AbbVie, we want to build leadership positions in specialty-focused areas. If you look at what we're good at, what we're really good at is taking products that have strong clinical data, and the decision-making process is driven around clinical data and being able to go out and commercialize that effectively. We really have two primary goals when we look at M&A. One is to build out those areas where we currently have leadership positions, like immunology as an example, and other areas where we have a leadership position. Our goal is to try to restate standard of care in those segments.

In many cases, we're looking at multiple different mechanisms of action to be able to try to do that standard of care restatement in the areas that we have leadership positions in. Then we have areas where we have emerging strengths, where we want to build out leadership positions and expand more aggressively. Oncology is a good example. ABT-199 we believe will create a good anchor position for us in that market. 888, 414, we have a number of assets coming behind that. Certainly, we would be interested in looking for more oncology assets. If there was the right kind of opportunity with on-market products in oncology and had some commercial infrastructure in place, that would be attractive to us moving forward. Rare diseases is certainly a profile of a specialty market that's consistent at what we look at.

I'd say hepatology is the other area that would be of strong interest. I'm not giving you a complete list, I'm giving you sort of the top-of-mind areas that we focus on.

Bill Chase
EVP of Finance and CFO, AbbVie

Bill Chase again. Just in the event that you were inferring something through your question, our increase in the guidance for the year is purely based on the business fundamentals as we see them. We're not anticipating that being significantly moved by our buyback activity. Just wanted to be clear on that.

Vamil Divan
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay, that's helpful. Thank you.

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

Thanks, Vamil. Elan, we have time for one more question, please.

Operator

Thank you. Our final question today is from Mark Purcell from Barclays.

Mark Purcell
Analyst, Barclays

Thanks for taking my question. On Humira, can you help us understand the benefit from the royalty roll-offs in Q3 following the cessation of payments to Merck KGaA, I think it was in June, and how that schedule of roll-off changes going forward through to patent expiries in both the U.S. and Europe? Secondly, could you help us understand the size of the international shipment timing effect on Humira in terms of how much growth it took off the ex-U.S. sales? Third, the IL-17s about to launch in psoriasis, I think it's about 15% of Humira sales. Could you help us understand the impact you feel those will have or otherwise on your business for next year? Lastly on debt, $9 billion of long-term debt, can you help us understand your plans to restructure that? Obviously, that's with respect to potential capital employment going forward.

Bill Chase
EVP of Finance and CFO, AbbVie

Mark, on the dynamics in gross margin, I guess this is a simple way to think of it. We, in the quarter, had about a one-point headwind related to TRICOR, TRILIPIX LOE event. Obviously, we made that up and then some. Our ability to make that up was driven probably somewhat equally by product mix and cost efficiency as well as including the royalty stack. I'm not going to get into specifics on how much that royalty stack impacted it. What I can tell you, though, is it's not all royalty stack. We have a lot of activities going on right now to streamline our supply chain and our overall manufacturing base. In terms of as this thing plays out over the LRP, we've never been specific on what the exact royalty stack is. Some have estimated it's between 5%-10%. We've said those are good estimates.

One of the benefits of that royalty stack is it will be largely removed at the point that we lose exclusivity on Humira. That's an important upside for the product when we come to that point in time. In terms of the impact of international shipments on Humira, obviously that puts some volatility quarter-to-quarter in the ex-U.S. Humira number. This quarter was about 1%. It wasn't huge.

Mark Purcell
Analyst, Barclays

Debt question?

Bill Chase
EVP of Finance and CFO, AbbVie

From a debt perspective, what I would tell you is we're pretty happy with our balance sheet right now. Obviously, we're building cash. We're looking at ways to deploy that cash, whether it be through M&A or giving it back to the shareholders, as you've seen in our recent announcements. I don't think there's any compelling reason to necessarily reduce the amount of debt on our balance sheet. As those maturities come up, obviously we're looking to term those things out. As a whole, we think we've got a very, very strong balance sheet.

Rick Gonzalez
Chairman and CEO, AbbVie

This is Rick. On the IL-17, obviously we study every new mechanism that comes into this market and develop a strategy to deal with that mechanism going forward. We understand the IL-17 very well and the data that we've seen so far. What I'd tell you is, if you look at many other mechanisms that have come into all the different categories we compete in, whether it's RA or GI or psoriasis, this is a tough market to break into and gain significant share because there is a reluctance to ultimately go to a new mechanism very quickly. These are very potent drugs that have sometimes unknown side effect profiles until they're in large populations, and that tends to make physicians more reluctant to switch en masse patients. We view IL-17 as a good mechanism. There's no question it's a good mechanism.

We view it early on, it will be like other mechanisms that have come into this market. It'll probably be more for failures, TNF failures, and eliminate some of that rotation that would have occurred. We don't assume that it's going to have a dramatic impact on our psoriasis share going forward.

Mark Purcell
Analyst, Barclays

Thank you.

Larry Peepo
VP of Investor Relations, AbbVie

All right. Thanks, Mark. That concludes today's conference call. If you'd like to listen to a replay of the call, visit our website or call 800-262-4947, passcode 103114. The audio replay will be available until midnight on Friday, November 14th. Thanks again for joining us today.

Operator

Thank you, this does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect at this time.