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Earnings Call: Q2 2021

Aug 4, 2021

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the ACADIA Pharmaceuticals Q2 2021 Financial Results Conference Call. My name is Jonathan, and I will be your coordinator for today. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. We will be facilitating a Q&A session towards the end of today's call. If at any time during the call you require assistance, please press star followed by zero, and a coordinator will be happy to assist you. I would now like to turn the presentation over to Mr. Mark Johnson, Vice President of Investor Relations, ACADIA. Please proceed.

Mark Johnson
VP of Investor Relations, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us on today's call to discuss ACADIA's Q2 2021 financial results. Joining me on the call today from ACADIA are Steve Davis, our Chief Executive Officer, who will provide an overview of our Q2 2021 financial performance and a review of our business operations. Also joining us today is Amanda Morgan, our Chief Revenue and Customer Officer, and Charmaine Lykins, Global Product Planning and Chief Marketing Officer, who will provide updates on our commercial performance. Dr. Serge Stankovic, our President, will discuss our pipeline progress, and our Chief Financial Officer, Elena Ridloff, will then discuss our financial results in more detail before turning it back to Steve for final remarks and opening the call up for your questions.

I would also like to point out that we are using supplement Slides, which are available on the events and presentations section of our website. Before we proceed, I would first like to remind you that during our call today, we'll be making a number of forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements, including goals, expectations, plans, prospects, growth potential, timing of events, or future results, are based on current information, assumptions, and expectations that are inherently subject to change and involve a number of risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. These factors and other risks associated with our business can be found in our filings made with the SEC. You are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which are made only as of today's date.

I will now turn the call over to Steve.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Thank you, Mark. Good afternoon, everyone, thank you for joining us today. I'd like to start with a review of our commercial performance, followed by some important company updates. Please turn to Slide 4. For the Q2 of 2021, NUPLAZID achieved $115.2 million in net sales, representing a 5% year-over-year increase driven by sequential and year-over-year volume growth. As a result of a slower pace of pandemic recovery and a higher than expected gross to net, we are projecting net sales for the year to $480 million-$515 million. Elena will discuss the gross to net dynamics in greater detail in her section. Let me speak to the continuing impacts of the pandemic, which impacted our growth in the Q2. In the office-based channel, Parkinson's patients' visits in the quarter were down 20% from pre-pandemic levels.

This is important because many physicians are hesitant to start a patient on a new therapy without diagnosing them first in person. While we still grew new patient starts in the quarter, the rate of growth in the new patient starts was significantly impacted by reduced Parkinson's patient visits. In the long-term care channel, occupancy rate facilities are currently approximately 15% below pre-pandemic levels, and new admissions are down approximately 17%. For many of our patients, being in or admitted to a long-term care facility often coincides with a PDP diagnosis and thus a new patient start on NUPLAZID. The reduction in both ongoing occupancy rates and new patient admissions continue to impact our ability to start new patients on NUPLAZID in the LTC setting. Despite these impacts of the pandemic on the Parkinson's patient population, we've grown our new patient starts and our business overall.

Our ability to grow despite these headwinds is further reinforced by our strong relative performance compared to other branded products in the long-term care channel. Patient visits, long-term care facility admissions, and less in-person detailing were headwinds that slowed our growth in the Q2. These headwinds are, of course, temporal. Going forward, despite these headwinds, we expect to continue to grow our business, including new sequential volume growth and new patient starts. As pandemic conditions for the Parkinson's community improve, we expect these headwinds to become tailwinds, further accelerating our growth. In addition, we have commenced several PDP growth initiatives that Amanda and Charmaine will speak to in a moment. Let's move to an update on our DRP program on Slide 5.

We recently completed a Type A end of review meeting with the FDA to discuss the issues raised in the complete response letter that we received in April. Today, we'd like to share the key takeaways from that meeting. First, the FDA reaffirmed their stated position in the CRL that pimavanserin should be studied by individual subgroups of dementia and advised us that the best path forward is to conduct an additional clinical study in each of the subgroups for which we seek approval. In the meeting, we highlighted the consistent and clinically meaningful efficacy observed in the DRP population overall, as well as across individual dementia subgroups, Alzheimer's disease, dementia with Lewy bodies, Parkinson's disease dementia, and patients with mixed pathologies.

As a result of these discussions, the FDA indicated that they are open to discuss additional analyses from the HARMONY study and the Study 019 that may support a potential resubmission without conducting an additional study. We're planning to discuss analyses with the FDA at a meeting later this year. In parallel with preparations for this meeting, we will also prepare for all potential outcomes that may come from this discussion. In addition to DRP, let me highlight clinical updates as we turn to Slide 6. We recently completed enrollment from our phase III program for trofinetide in Rett syndrome and are on track to deliver top line results by the end of the year. Our phase III program for pimavanserin for the negative symptoms of schizophrenia continues to enroll well. As a reminder, the pivotal ADVANCE-2 study was started in the Q3 of last year.

Earlier this year, we initiated a phase II study evaluating ACP-044 for postoperative pain associated with bunionectomy surgery, and expect top-line results later this year. In the Q2, we initiated a phase II study evaluating 044 for pain associated with osteoarthritis. Business development continues to be a key priority for our strategy to expand our pipeline for long-term growth and bring new therapies to patients with high unmet needs. I would now like to turn the call over to Amanda and Charmaine to discuss our Q2 commercial performance and growth initiatives.

Amanda Morgan
Chief Revenue and Customer Officer, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Thank you, Steve. Today, I'd like to review our Q2 performance and our long-term expectations for NUPLAZID in Parkinson's disease psychosis. Please turn to Slide 8. In the quarter, we delivered net sales of $115.2 million, with sequential volume growth of 3% across both the office-based and long-term care channels. This quarterly performance was primarily driven by new patient starts and continuing patients, which demonstrated strong patient adherence and compliance. Although new patient starts are consistent with pre-pandemic levels, they are not yet accelerating at our expected rate. We believe the reasons for this is that growth of new patient starts are dependent upon Parkinson's patient office visits and new admissions and occupancy rates within the long-term care channel, both of which have slowed due to the continued impact of the pandemic. The challenges related to the pandemic have disproportionately affected the patient population which we serve.

To give you further color on this, as shown in the graph on the left, Parkinson's patient visits within the office-based setting were still approximately 20% below pre-pandemic levels in the quarter. We know physician-patient visits are highly correlated with new patient starts, and therefore, we are confident that as patients return to their physician offices, new patient starts will increase, resulting in greater NUPLAZID demand, which will drive market penetration. Despite office-based visits being down, new patient starts in total have remained at pre-pandemic levels, as highlighted in the graph on the right, reflecting our team's ability to execute in a challenging environment. We've been able to accomplish this through our HCP messaging, which elevates PD psychosis symptom identification and highlights the efficacy and safety of NUPLAZID and the urgency to treat psychosis early. Please turn to Slide 9. Now turning our attention to the long-term care channel.

As you can see from the graph on the top right, occupancy levels have been slowly improving at 0.5% to 1% each month. However, they are still 15% below pre-COVID levels. For many patients, the identification of hallucinations and delusions resulting in a diagnosis of PDP often occurs in a long-term care facility and may coincide with a new resident admission. As new admissions increase and occupancy levels return to normal, we fully expect our momentum to translate into accelerated growth within the LTC channel. As shown in the graph on the bottom right, long-term care bottles began growing sequentially in the Q2 as a result of our enhanced marketing and promotional messaging and a modest increase of patients within long-term care facilities.

Overall, we are encouraged as NUPLAZID's growth outperforms foundational Parkinson's medications, including carbidopa/levodopa, as well as a market basket of branded LTC products across multiple therapeutic areas. This performance indicates strong brand support and positions us to accelerate growth within this setting. In the near term, our ability to accelerate growth will be largely dependent on the pace of recovery of patient office visits, LTC new admissions, and face-to-face engagements. Regardless of this, we have implemented new growth initiatives, which Charmaine will now highlight.

Charmaine Lykins
Global Product Planning and CMO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Thanks, Amanda. Please turn to Slide 10. Let's discuss our new growth initiatives, which will position us well in the second half of the year to capitalize on improvements to the leading indicators that Amanda just discussed. These initiatives incorporate new market research insights, specifically as it pertains to awareness of NUPLAZID's safety and tolerability profile, and in light of other important medical considerations when treating Parkinson's patients. Our growth initiatives leverage important clinical data newly available for NUPLAZID promotion to highlight NUPLAZID's safety benefits. NUPLAZID's safety profile is a distinct advantage. We are elevating that advantage to increase diagnosis and capture a higher percentage of new PDP patients. Today, less than 50% of patients with a PDP diagnosis receive treatment. Our market research indicates that 37% of physicians delay PD psychosis treatment because of safety concerns associated with off-label antipsychotics.

A key concern in Parkinson's patients is falls, and another is motor impairment. Our communication to HCPs highlights that NUPLAZID has no warnings for orthostatic hypotension-related or sedation-related events. Cognitive impairment is another concern for physicians, especially for Parkinson's patients who've been diagnosed with comorbid dementia. Our promotional materials will now include the SAPS-PD efficacy data in the cognitively impaired subset of patients with MMSE scores ranging from 21-25 from our pivotal PDP study. Beyond efficacy, we will also communicate that there are no safety differences across age, gender, and cognition with NUPLAZID treatment. After being presented with our new safety messages, approximately 77% of physicians stated that they would be more willing now to prescribe NUPLAZID to treat PD psychosis earlier than before. Please turn to Slide 11. Our promotional messaging highlights the efficacy and safety of NUPLAZID and amplifies our improvement without impairment strategic vision.

The new messaging will be executed across all promotional channels, including our field teams, in the second half of the year. We continue to see strong brand support for NUPLAZID and high engagement of our promotional presentations at medical congresses, with over 2,000 HCPs attending a brand new NUPLAZID program in Q2. Additionally, we continue to amplify our message through digital and non-personal promotion efforts to reach our target healthcare providers. We've increased our efforts with caregivers and patients to drive more patient identification. Our consumer programs educate patients and caregivers about the signs and symptoms of PD psychosis and why it's important to talk to your doctor, while our DTC and digital platforms activate those patients to request NUPLAZID by name.

Our initiatives will increase patient identification, and our promotional messages with a focus on safety set us up well to accelerate new patient starts in the back half of the year and drive long-term prescription growth of NUPLAZID. Now I'll turn it over to Serge to share our pipeline progress.

Serge Stankovic
President, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Thank you, Charmaine. Good afternoon, everyone. Please turn to Slide 13. As Steve mentioned, we had a constructive dialogue with the FDA at our end of review Type A meeting. While we still do not have alignment with the FDA on what it would take for a resubmission, we're encouraged by the agency's openness to continue the discussion and allow us to present additional data analysis to further support a resubmission without an additional clinical study. It will take some time for us to prepare and for the FDA to schedule the meeting. We will have an update on the outcome later this year.

Furthermore, consistent with the views expressed in the CRL regarding individual subgroups of dementia, it appears the Division of Psychiatry at the FDA has changed their view on breakthrough therapy designation for dementia-related psychosis and have notified us that they are considering rescinding the DRP designation for pimavanserin. We will be meeting with the FDA in the coming months to discuss further. In the meantime, our new publications in both DRP and PDP continue to be received very well by the medical and scientific community. Let's discuss further on Slide 14. I'm excited to share that the positive results from our phase III HARMONY study were published in the "New England Journal of Medicine." We are pleased to be able to share these important findings that clearly demonstrate three main takeaways regarding pimavanserin as a potential treatment for DRP.

1, in the open-label portion of the study, pimavanserin treatment clearly demonstrated a meaningful reduction of the symptoms of psychosis. 2, continuation of pimavanserin treatment in a double-blind portion significantly reduced the risk of relapse of psychosis by almost 3x . Three, importantly, pimavanserin was not associated with a decline in cognition or motor symptoms and was well-tolerated in elderly patients with dementia-related psychosis. Also in July, ACADIA hosted a disease awareness symposium to further discuss the high unmet need in DRP at this year's Alzheimer's Association International Conference. The symposium was highlighted by key experts in the field discussing whether dementia subtypes matter when it comes to treating psychosis and the urgency for awareness and appropriate management of hallucinations and delusions across dementias. The discussion among the experts was both consistent and supportive of our view that dementia-related psychosis is most appropriately studied broadly.

In June, results from the open-label extension study, which highlight the sustained pimavanserin response in patients with PDP, were published in "Parkinsonism & Related Disorders." This data further demonstrate the utility of pimavanserin in PDP. Let's move to our development stage pipeline, starting on Slide 15, with an update on our trofinetide program for Rett syndrome. Steve mentioned, we have recently completed enrollment in the phase III LAVENDER study and are on track to announce top-line results in the Q4 of this year. Turning to Slide 16, our phase III program evaluating pimavanserin for the treatment of negative symptom schizophrenia includes two pivotal studies, our positive ADVANCE-1 study and ADVANCE-2, which we initiated in the Q3 of last year. Enrollment continues to progress well and is on track. Please turn to Slide 17 for an update on our ACP-044 program.

ACP-044 is a novel, first-in-class, orally administered, non-opioid analgesic that is being studied in both acute and chronic pain models. The phase II study evaluating ACP-044 for the treatment of postoperative pain following bunionectomy surgery is enrolling well, and we expect results in the Q4 of this year. Furthermore, we recently initiated a phase II study for patients suffering from pain associated with osteoarthritis. Slide 18 highlights a brief summary of our ACP-319/M1 PAM program for the potential treatment of schizophrenia and cognitive impairment in Alzheimer's disease. As part of our transition, we're completing some additional non-clinical work and will be progressing our phase I program with the initiation of a multiple ascending dose study in the Q4 of this year. Slide 19 summarizes our ongoing development timelines.

Most notably, in the Q4, we look forward to announcing top-line results from our phase III trofinetide study in Rett syndrome and top-line results from our phase II study for ACP-044 in postoperative pain. We look forward to keeping you updated as we advance our pipeline. With that, I will turn the call over to Elena Ridloff.

Elena Ridloff
EVP and CFO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Thank you, Serge. Today, I'll discuss our Q2 2021 results and our updated 2021 financial outlook. Please turn to Slide 21. In the Q2 2021, we recorded $115.2 million in net sales, an increase of approximately 5% compared to $110.1 million in net sales in Q2 of 2020. This was driven by 5% volume growth year-over-year. The gross to net adjustment for Q2 2021 was 18.4% compared to our expectations of mid-teen. Weeks of inventory in the channel at the end of the Q2 were relatively flat quarter-over-quarter and still at the high end of the range. The commercial demands in Q2 outpaced reported growth due to inventory levels slightly increasing in Q1 and then remaining stable in Q2. Moving down the P&L, GAAP R&D expenses decreased to $56.9 million in the quarter, compared to $64.3 million in Q2 of 2020.

GAAP SG&A expenses increased to $96.8 million in the Q2 from $84.3 million in the Q2 of last year. Non-cash stock-based compensation expense during the quarter was $22 million compared to $19.5 million for the same period in 2020. Our cash balance at the end of the quarter was $556.9 million. Please turn to Slide 22. As we look ahead, our Q2 demand growth, commercial initiatives, and leading indicators give us confidence in driving volume growth in the second half of the year. From a gross to net perspective, we've observed a shift in our payer mix this year with a greater proportion of volume from 340B institutions who are eligible for statutory discounts. As a result of this shift, we now expect gross to net for the full year to be approximately 20% versus our previous estimate of high teens.

We are reducing our net sales guidance for the year to be in the range of $480 million-$515 million as a result of the continuing impacts of the pandemic and a higher gross to net. On the expense side for 2021, we are decreasing our GAAP R&D guidance to be between $250 million-$270 million for the full year from the previous range of $280 million-$300 million. This includes approximately $25 million in stock-based compensation expense. We are reiterating our GAAP SG&A between $385 million-$415 million for this full year. This includes $50 million of stock-based compensation expense. With that, let's turn the call back over to Steve.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Thank you, Elena. Please turn to Slide 4. In closing, on the commercial front, we continue to execute in a challenging environment. In the short to intermediate term, expect to continue to grow despite these conditions. Looking from the intermediate to long-term, we're fully confident in the potential of NUPLAZID and are committed to getting it to the PDP patients who desperately need it. Regarding DRP, we look forward to continuing our discussion with the FDA to align on a potential path to a resubmission. We're focused on advancing our development pipeline with two clinical data readouts in the Q4 of 2021 while continuing to pursue attractive business development deals. Finally, I would like to thank our employees for their passion to our mission to elevate life.

I'll now open up the call for questions. Operator?

Operator

Certainly. Our first question comes from the line of Cory Kasimov from JP Morgan. Your question, please.

Cory Kasimov
Analyst, JPMorgan

Thanks. Just curious, did the FDA clarify what particular analysis needs to be completed to convince them? What do you think you can show them to be convincing? Thank you.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah. Thanks for the question, Cory. Serge, do you want to take this?

Serge Stankovic
President, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yes. Thanks, Cory. We brought to the Type A meeting a number of additional analysis that we looked at the meeting as an opportunity for us to address some of the questions and concerns expressed in the CRL, as we didn't have opportunity prior to this to bring it. The analysis that we brought and were of quite a bit of interest to the FDA could be summarized in a couple of buckets. One is as it relates to the clinical characteristics and features of psychosis among different dementia subtypes.

Specifically, we analyzed and looked at psychosis rating scales and did a variety of different cluster analysis, item analysis, characterizing this clinical picture of psychosis among different subtypes, whether before treatment, in the course of the treatment, as well as following withdrawal of successful treatment, essentially showing a very similar pattern of clinical characteristics and behavior among these different subtypes. That's one bucket of analysis. The other bucket is related to the clinically meaningful response, not only overall among patients with dementia-related psychosis, but also when you look at the pattern of response and the meaningfulness of the response among different subtypes. Particularly when you look at the response to pimavanserin treatment, we see quite a bit of similarity and meaningfulness in that clinical response. We performed a number of different analysis demonstrating that as well.

Those were kind of the main features of the analysis that we performed and presented to FDA and will continue to discuss as we move forward with our discussions.

Cory Kasimov
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Neena Bitritto-Garg. Your question, please from Citi.

Neena Bitritto-Garg
Analyst, Citigroup

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Just on the DRP indication as well. I guess, have you gotten a sense from the FDA around if you are able to kind of move forward with some additional analyses of the existing data, would a refiling or a resubmission kind of be for the broad indication, or do you think it would be for specific subtypes only? Thanks.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah. Thanks so much for the question. Serge, do you want to address this?

Serge Stankovic
President, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yes. Well, Neena, thanks for the question. When we look at the discussions that we have and the potential paths, they essentially boil down to three pathways that we can pursue. 1 is that additional analysis and the discussion and review of the data results with the alignment that the existing data is sufficient for approval of the broad DRP indication. The other option is that the data that we have for the subtypes, particularly for some of the larger subtypes that we have like Alzheimer's disease psychosis, along with the study in Alzheimer's disease psychosis that we have with the analysis and data that we present, we align that data is sufficient for the approval of individual subtype without additional clinical work.

Finally, the third path would be that if FDA remains steadfast with their position that they would want to see additional clinical data, then additional work in an individual indication would be required to move forward. That's how we see. Obviously, our position is for the first or the second option, and I think the data that we've presented received some traction, and we're continuing discussion, and we're happy to have that opportunity.

Neena Bitritto-Garg
Analyst, Citigroup

Perfect. Thanks, guys.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah. This is Steve. I don't know if others heard this, there was some skipping when Serge was talking, I just want to clarify. As Serge mentioned, there's three potential ways this could play out. First is our position that our existing data supports a broad DRP label. We made that case in the Type A meeting we had, and we determined that we need to continue the discussion on that front. That's one possibility. Another possibility is to resubmit based upon one or more individual subtypes. As Serge mentioned, Alzheimer's disease psychosis is where we obviously have the greatest amount of data. It was the largest group in the study with also very compelling data in dementia with Lewy bodies. A second potential outcome here is that we resubmit again without additional clinical work based on one or more subtypes.

The third possibility, of course, is that the FDA, and this is their current view, requires that we do additional clinical work and submit on individual subtypes. Now, having said that, again, here too, they said, "This is what we suggest you do. We think this is your best path forward, but we're willing to have a further discussion with you about the possibility of submitting without additional clinical work." That's where things stand today. Those are the three potential outcomes as we see it.

Neena Bitritto-Garg
Analyst, Citigroup

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Hung from Morgan Stanley. Your question please.

Jeff Hung
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thanks for taking the question. Just to clarify, for the follow-up meeting with the FDA, is this the meeting where the agency will make a final decision on whether to allow for the resubmission without the additional clinical study, or is there potential that this could go on to multiple additional meetings? I have a follow-up on that.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah. Serge, do you want to take that?

Serge Stankovic
President, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah. Just to clarify, Type A meeting that we already had with the FDA, 60-minute meeting. Obviously we brought a lot of information and data to that meeting and in the briefing document. The extension of this meeting that we will have in the next scheduled meeting is essentially continuation of the discussion that we already had. They already started and had with the FDA. We do anticipate that we will come to a certain point of alignment with the FDA or the certain point of understanding what will be necessary along the three different pathways that we just discussed at that next meeting. Obviously are hoping that the data that we're bringing and the discussion at the meeting will support our position, and proposals how to move forward.

Jeff Hung
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay, thanks. If I can clarify, can you provide a little more color on the FDA reiterating their position and being open to having another meeting? Was that more that they're pretty firm on their position, but they'll hear you out, or does it seem like they're more open to an actual discussion?

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

I'll start, then I'll let Serge add additional color if he'd like. I don't think they would've suggested we're open to having another meeting if they weren't interested in hearing more of the analysis that we're doing, that we did for the Type A meeting, we're continuing to refine that. I think they're being genuine when they agree to have a further dialogue. As Serge mentioned, the Type A meeting was only a 60-minute meeting. We could only cover so much ground in that meeting. Having said that, again, I just want to be clear that they said, "We believe your best path forward is to do additional clinical work and do an additional clinical study for each subtype that you want to pursue. We're open to having a further discussion." That's as much clarity as I can give at this point.

We need to have the next meeting in order to try to get further clarity.

Jeff Hung
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ritu Baral from Cowen. Your question please.

Leila Weinstein
Analyst, The Toronto-Dominion Bank

Hi, thank you. This is Leila on for Ritu. Thanks for taking the question. Maybe just to follow up on DRP. For the meeting that you plan to have with the FDA later this year, now, is that expected to be with the same reviewers, the same members of the FDA you've been interacting with, or is there any potential that it might escalate to more senior members of the division? Thank you.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Serge, you want to take that?

Serge Stankovic
President, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yes. Let me just say that we, first of all, we were very pleased to have a strong FDA representation and presence at our Type A meeting along both from the division, as well as from the Office of Neuroscience. At the meeting, obviously, the Psychiatry Division Director, Tiffany Farchione, was present, but also the Director of Office of Neuroscience, Billy Dunn, was present at the meeting. We anticipate, as we continue this discussion, to continue to have that strong presence from the FDA side as well and continue our constructive dialogue.

Leila Weinstein
Analyst, The Toronto-Dominion Bank

Thank you for clarifying.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Charles Duncan from Cantor Fitzgerald. Your question please.

Charles Duncan
Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald

Yeah. Hi, thanks for taking the question. Had 1 additional question on DRP then a commercial question. That is regarding DRP, I guess I'm wondering if you're contemplating actually initiating a trial with one of these patient subgroups. Then given the kind of perspective that you got from AAIC, I'm wondering if you can provide any additional color on why you think the Division of Psychiatry is contemplating, you know, there being differences in psychoses across these degenerative disorders.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Serge, do you want to take this question?

Serge Stankovic
President, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah. Yes. Let me try to address the second part of the question, and that is, we received quite a bit of support from the medical community out there in regard to interpretation of the data and the results of our HARMONY study and the overall data that we submitted as a part of our supplemental NDA. There is indeed, as you're pointing out, a little bit of a discrepancy in the way how Division of Psychiatry looked at the data and how the wider medical and scientific community look at the data. We were, as I mentioned, very pleased with the fact that we also published the data in The New England Journal of Medicine and received also a positive editorial in regard to the overall data we have.

It remains a debate within the community about how to study dementia-related psychosis, to study it as a single entity, clinical entity, which is position where we had, and we had an agreement to that effect, or to study it by dementia subtypes. I guess that the Division of Psychiatry, on the basis of available data to them and the data that we presented, came to conclusion that that way of studying psychosis by dementia subtypes is an appropriate way to study dementia-related psychosis. That's the best that I can say.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Charles.

Charles Duncan
Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald

Okay.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

You also were asking about running an additional study.

Serge Stankovic
President, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

I would just say.

Charles Duncan
Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald

Yeah.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah. Go ahead, Serge.

Serge Stankovic
President, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah. We are obviously preparing for all possible alternative outcomes of our discussion. We do not want to prejudge the discussion, but we are prepared for all possible outcomes and alternative actions that we would be taking as we move forward with it. That's how we look at things.

Charles Duncan
Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald

Oh, okay. Quick commercial question. I know that you don't promote off-label, but I'm just wondering if you're able to detect any change in the use of pimavanserin off-label as a result of the agency decision and the visibility around that. I don't even know if there is off-label use, but I'm wondering if there is, if that dynamic changed over the course of the Q2.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Thanks for the question, Charles. From the time we've launched in PDP, we've had very little off-label use. We can't track every bottle. We don't know the final destination of every bottle, for instance, that goes into long-term care. The majority of our sales of our bottles come through our hub. We know what the diagnosis is on every bottle, every prescription that comes through our hub. When we look at those prescriptions, the amount that is off-label has consistently been in the low single digits. More than 95% of prescriptions are on-label. It's difficult to get the drug off-label, as it is many drugs. It's possible, but difficult. For that reason, a very high perecent of our bottles are on-label. That has not changed throughout the life cycle of the product. We're not seeing any differences in that today.

Charles Duncan
Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald

Okay. Thanks, Steve, for the added color.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah. You bet, Charles.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Tazeen Ahmad from Bank of America. Your question, please.

Tazeen Ahmad
Analyst, Bank of America

Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Guys, I just wanted to maybe clarify on the comment that you made in your prep statement about breakthrough status. I guess why would it be the case that FDA might be reconsidering breakthrough, and who's going to make that decision as you kind of have these meetings, your next meeting, is anybody in that committee going to be involved in determining breakthrough status? If and when it's determined what the future path is going to be, let's say the best case, you don't have to do another study, you can resubmit. Does the chance now go up that it would be for a regular review given the breakthrough status might be revoked? Thanks.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah, sure. Serge, you want to take this?

Serge Stankovic
President, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah. A couple of things here. First of all, just a clarification. We received this notification from the FDA prior to our Type A meeting. The breakthrough therapy designation at this point, the reason we believe this is consistent with their CRL is it's very consistent with their position that the data did not substantiate approval for this particular indication. At this point in the life cycle of the development, really that the breakthrough therapy designation does not have an impact as otherwise would have. From that perspective, this is something that we are not surprised to see. To your question, the division makes a recommendation for the breakthrough therapy designation, and it's then approved by the higher levels with the agency.

In regard to the review, which is important point, in case of resubmission, that resubmission goes either to, depending on whether it's a labeling resubmission or it's additional data, which in this case would probably be, would take six months review cycle. It doesn't go in a manner like original submission.

Tazeen Ahmad
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay. Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jason Butler from JMP Securities. Your question, please.

Jason Butler
Analyst, JMP Securities

Hi. Thanks for taking the questions. Just on DRP, was the phase II ADP study discussed at all or any of the FDA's comments in the CRL relating to that study discussed? Just on the commercial side, in geographies where the case rates of COVID have remained lower, are you seeing a better return to physicians' offices or occupancy levels in LTC that are closer to normal? Are you seeing different things across the country, or is it still depressed across the country? Thanks.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Serge, why don't you take the first question?

Serge Stankovic
President, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yes. Thanks, Jason. The FDA invited us to bring additional data and analysis. The point that we brought to the meeting in the discussion as far as the phase II ADP study goes is that the positive conclusions of that study remain regardless of how you look at the data and analyze the data and independent on any concerns that the division expressed in regard to some quality issues with that study, single center study and so on. From that perspective, they did invite us to bring that additional analysis and data validating the overall conclusion of that study because it is important studying the overall package of the data we submitted.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Great. Thanks much. Amanda, you want to take the geography question?

Amanda Morgan
Chief Revenue and Customer Officer, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah, thanks. I'll take the second question. Thanks, Steve. Specific to are we seeing differences across the US as it relates to the pandemic, we do see regional differences across the US What I will say is that we have seen, from the beginning of the year until this year, we've seen a return of our face-to-face engagements with our reps and our physicians, we've seen LTC new admissions continue to grow, although still at pre-COVID levels, as well as PD patient office visits. We'll continue to track those leading indicators and continue to optimize with our engagements with our HCPs as we navigate the pandemic.

Jason Butler
Analyst, JMP Securities

Got it. Thanks for taking the questions.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Marc Goodman from SVB Leerink. Your question, please.

Marc Goodman
Analyst, SVB Leerink

Yes, hi. Steve, to confirm, if the FDA ends up saying, "Okay, you need another study," you're willing to do another study in one of these subgroups? Is that confirmed?

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah, no, I appreciate the question, Marc. I think the honest answer is we need to know what would be required for an approval in any of the individual subgroups or for that matter, for DRP generally. We're not at that point of the discussions yet. We need to understand what that path looks like. Obviously, if we ultimately determine that we need to do additional clinical work to get an approval, if the path is one that we feel like is appropriate, it's scientifically valid, we still have a lot of patent life, and we'll be eager to pursue it. If the path forward is one that we feel like is just not feasible, it'd be very difficult to enroll or it'd take a very long time to enroll, you'll have to take that into consideration.

Next steps, and the next thing we need to do is have a further discussion with the FDA.

Marc Goodman
Analyst, SVB Leerink

Basically, at the meeting, they told you that you should do another study in a subgroup to get that particular subgroup, but they didn't give you any guidance on that type of study at all. There was no discussion about what it would be.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

We did not have a discussion on what that would look like. That is correct.

Marc Goodman
Analyst, SVB Leerink

Yeah.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

We spent the majority of the meeting talking about the new analysis that we had done, and had a dialogue around that. Again, as I said, we'll be really clear, they said, "We think your best path forward is to do additional clinical work.

Marc Goodman
Analyst, SVB Leerink

Yeah.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

We're willing to have a further discussion with you to further consider the analysis that you've done.

Marc Goodman
Analyst, SVB Leerink

Right. Serge, somewhere in the comments, you used the term some traction. We got some traction. I was just curious, what part of the discussion was it that you got some traction? Thank you.

Serge Stankovic
President, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

I will just directly say the buckets that I described, both sets of analysis that we were discussing were received with quite a bit of interest. This was a new information that new data that we brought. A new analysis, and there was quite a bit of interest and discussion. Finally, encouragement to see more of that analysis and continue discussion in that. That is the reason that I characterized as attraction. Really relates to both buckets of the analysis.

Marc Goodman
Analyst, SVB Leerink

Right. Thank you.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Marc, I might just add one additional comment. Anytime you get a CRL, and we were very clear about this before the Type A meeting, you would expect that going into that meeting, because they just issued a CRL, that their view would be that you should do additional clinical work. I would say we're very pleased that both Dr. Farchione and Dr. Dunn were at the meeting, and we had an opportunity to present the analysis that we did. As Serge mentioned, I think there was very meaningful interest in the analysis, and we had a very constructive dialogue. I think coming out of that meeting with the recognition that this warrants further discussion, I think is what Serge is referring to when he said we got some traction, and I feel like we had a productive discussion, now we need to continue that dialogue.

Marc Goodman
Analyst, SVB Leerink

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Salveen Richter from Goldman Sachs. Your question, please.

Andrea Tan
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks for taking our question. This is Andrea on for Salveen. Elena, maybe one for you. With respect to the lowered guidance there, can you help us understand what proportion of that reduction is due to expected continued impact from the pandemic versus gross to net?

Elena Ridloff
EVP and CFO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Sure, Andrea. About half the reduction is a result of the slower pace of recovery due to the pandemic, and about half of it is due to the gross to net.

Andrea Tan
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Great. Serge, one question on ACP-044 for the data that you're expecting in the Q4 of this year. Can you help frame expectations for that and what is clinically meaningful?

Serge Stankovic
President, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yes. We are conducting, just as a reminder, a study in post-surgical pain, bunionectomy surgery, about 240 patients study and expect the results before the end of the year. In that study, the primary outcome measure is pain intensity measured over 24 hours. We are testing two kind of dosing regimens in the study at the highest dose level. It's a placebo-controlled study, we would be very pleased to see significant separation in the pain intensity or reduction in pain intensity with treatment over placebo, of course, I mean.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Joseph Stringer from the Needham & Company. Your question, please.

Joseph Stringer
Analyst, Needham & Company

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking our questions. First one, commercial on PDP. Following up on an earlier question on sort of regional difference. Curious if you had any data or info on hesitancy amongst vaccinated PDP patients, whether it be returning to office visits. I know in the long-term care, it's a little bit different dynamic. You mentioned occupancy and new admissions were down, but is there a different sort of effect for each of those settings? Second question is just on Rett. Can you remind us again what to expect for a clinically meaningful change in RSBQ and CGI endpoints? Thank you.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah, sure. Amanda, you want to take the first question and Serge the second?

Amanda Morgan
Chief Revenue and Customer Officer, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Sure. Thanks for the question, Joseph. Let me kind of separate my question into two kind of, or my answer into two distinct categories when we think about regional differences and how we think about the business. It really boils down to two things, and it's either the face-to-face physician and patient visits or the face-to-face physician and rep interactions. Specifically with the face-to-face physician and patient visits, this is important because we know HCPs are more effective diagnosing Parkinson's disease psychosis, and they have an increased willingness to prescribe a new product during an in-person patient visit. Currently, in-person patient visits, as I shared, are about 20% below pre-COVID levels. Regardless of this, though, we've maintained our new patient starts pre-pandemic. The second thing we look at, both regionally, nationally, is when we look at face-to-face physician and rep interactions.

What we know is that when we engage with our HCPs in person, we're just more effective than we are when we interact virtually. Currently, more than 2/3 of our physicians and rep interactions are in person, which is a significant improvement from the beginning of the year. It is still pre-COVID levels. Throughout our growth initiatives, the temporal headwinds, turning those into tailwinds, we do expect to see an increased demand for NUPLAZID

We do expect that to kind of vary regionally. Those are really the ways we look at it from both a regional and national perspective.

Serge Stankovic
President, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yes. About the trofinetide Rett phase III study. As a reminder, the study has two co-primary measures. One is Rett behavioral symptoms questionnaire, which is a caregiver-completed questionnaire across symptoms of Rett syndrome. The second is clinical global impression of improvement, which is a physician rating scale. In itself, the study has sort of internal validation of whether the rating scale changes that are observed in individual patients correlate with the meaningful improvement that the physician characterized on their rating scale. From that perspective, since we need to reach both separation from placebo on both co-primary measures, there is an internal validation of meaningfulness of the results whenever we separate from placebo.

I will remind you that in the phase II study that was positive, there was about a 15% reduction on the scale. Obviously that was meaningful separation, particularly in the context of the broad assessment of the broad symptoms across Rett syndrome, as well as that there are no other available treatments at this point.

Joseph Stringer
Analyst, Needham & Company

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jay Olson from Oppenheimer. Your question please.

Jay Olson
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Oh, hey. Thanks for the update and thanks for taking the questions. I was wondering if you could share any thoughts on Cerevel's data for their M4 PAM and any read across that you might see to your M1 PAM. Maybe if you could please provide an update on your latest thoughts about potential indications to pursue with your M1 PAM and when we should expect to see phase I data. Thank you.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah, thanks much for the question. Serge, you want to take this?

Serge Stankovic
President, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yes. Let me start with our thinking around what potential indication for the M1 PAM that we are currently developing. As we mentioned, in a broad stroke, we are looking at schizophrenia and the cognition and cognitive symptoms in dementia. When we talk about schizophrenia, obviously, one can pursue acute symptoms of schizophrenia, but also negative symptoms and cognitive symptoms of schizophrenia. We will be, what I say, following the molecule, listening to the molecule as we are developing it and conducting our phase II, because there are those that believe that M1 is more targeted toward and successful in the treatment of cognitive symptoms, while M4 may be more successful in treating the acute symptoms. I would say that as much as we believe in that lore, there are data that suggest different, and we would like to evaluate as we further move with the development of M1 PAM.

As far as the M4 data from Cerevel, I would say it's an impressive data. It is in acute, short-term, acute treatment of positive symptoms of schizophrenia. We looked at that data. First of all, we do need better treatments for schizophrenia. We are very pleased to see such positive results as Cerevel reported. I would also say that we are seeing that as a validation of muscarinic receptor as a target for schizophrenia and are very pleased that we also have a program in development in that area.

Jay Olson
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gregory Renza from RBC Capital Markets. Your question please.

Gregory Renza
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Hey, Steve and team. Thank you very much for taking my question. Steve, just on the Type A meeting, I know coming into that meeting, you were really striving for an understanding of why the FDA appeared to have changed their position there. I'm just curious, coming out of that now, if you've felt as though you've reached that understanding and as you allude to kind of the alignment path forward, what that means for getting on firmer footing with them with the next steps. Then just secondly, on a separate topic just related to BD, just curious if you could update us on sort of your criteria there, especially as maybe the wider industry has been prompted to rethink assets and development plans following the aducanumab approval. Thank you very much.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah, sure. Let me take them one at a time, and I'll answer the first question, then Serge, again, feel free to add any additional color. Look, I think this is a situation where reasonable minds can differ.

We believe our position and the way to look at DRP broadly as one indication is supported by the data in the medical literature in terms of the way physicians think about this indication, most importantly in terms of the way it presents and the way it responds to treatment. We feel like we've got a very strong case there, and we think our data from our HARMONY study is consistent and supports that position. As Serge mentioned, when you look at the drug-treated group in the randomized withdrawal portion of the study, between subgroups, the response is very similar. It's also very similar in the open label portion of the study. However, we respect the fact that the FDA, particularly the Psychiatry Division, has a different position. This is not to say that we're right and they're wrong, or vice versa.

They just have a different position than we do. Recognizing that, our objective is to accomplish two things. One is we want to get this drug to patients who desperately need it as fast as possible, and two, we want to get it to the broadest group of patients that can benefit from it. As we go forward, we're going to focus on where we can try to find alignment to accomplish those two objectives, recognizing that we just have a reasonable difference of scientific opinion. Serge, anything you want to add to that?

Serge Stankovic
President, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

No, I think you summed it up quite well.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Okay. On to your second question regarding BD. You broke up in, I think, a key part of the second question. Could you repeat that?

Gregory Renza
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Sure, Steve. I'm curious if you could just update us on the criteria that you're applying when you look at external assets and just curious if some of the aducanumab approval, while it's prompted others in the sector to maybe rethink how to look at assets and development programs, if that applies to you as well. Thank you.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah. Thanks much for the question. I would say our strategy on business development is unchanged. We built a presence in both neurology and psychiatry with very strong franchises at both on the R&D as well as on the commercial and medical affairs fronts and we're going to continue to pursue that. As it relates specifically to aducanumab, I would say that has not had a meaningful impact in terms of our view of assets and the development paths forward. Having said that, I'll say, obviously, there's a topic of great discussion in the general press. There's probably political points of view and social points of view and medical points of view that relate to how the FDA is currently thinking about the accelerated approval pathway and we'll continue to stay very much on top of that.

I would say when I step back and think about the things that are most impactful to our strategy on business development, this does not create a sea change or a significant difference.

Gregory Renza
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thanks, Steve.

Operator

Thank you. We have time for two more questions. Our next question comes from the line of Danielle Brill from Raymond James. Your question, please.

Danielle Brill
Analyst, Raymond James

Hi, guys. Thanks so much for the questions. This may be a follow-up to the one just asked, but maybe just if you could clarify a bit. Steve, it seems like there's nothing gating to having another meeting with the FDA. I guess, can you just walk us through exactly what the next steps are from here to get that meeting scheduled? On the commercial side, I'm curious if you have any insights as to why PD office visits were down more in Q2 than Q4 or Q1 when the pandemic was at all-time highs. Thank you.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah, thanks. I'll ask Amanda to answer the second question in a second. I'm sorry. Danielle, could you repeat the first question?

Danielle Brill
Analyst, Raymond James

Yeah. I'm just wondering what the steps are from here to having that follow-up discussion with the FDA.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah. Got it. Okay. Sorry. Let me just cover it kind of mechanically first. Mechanically, we need to submit the request and then depending on whether it's a Type A, B, or C meeting, it'll be a 30, 60, or 75-day clock on the meeting, and then we need to submit a briefing document 30 days before the meeting. It's just the mechanical rules that are in place with FDA. We are working very diligently on the material that will be needed to be included in the briefing document, and we want to make certain that we have that clearly within our sights before making the request. That's coming.

Just as a little bit of additional context, I would say, as we've reported previously, we unfortunately didn't get an opportunity to learn of the FDA's concerns in DRP that led to the CRL until we got the CRL. We're very thankful and appreciative of the opportunity to have the Type A meeting that we had and respond to those concerns. As we continue this dialogue, we want to make certain that we are very responsive to their concerns and responsive to the dialogue that we're having. In order to do that, now that we know those concerns, we've had initial discussion with them, it's important to get this right for the next discussion as well. That's, of course, our number one priority. Okay. I'm sorry, Amanda, do you want to take the second question?

Amanda Morgan
Chief Revenue and Customer Officer, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Yeah, sure. Thanks, Steve. Thanks, Danielle, for the question. Specific to PD office visits, I'd just remind you that we serve a PD patient population that is elderly. As the pandemic continues, this is an elderly patient population that we serve.

Danielle Brill
Analyst, Raymond James

Understood. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Thank you. Our final question for today comes from the line of Vamil Divan from Mizuho Securities. Your question, please.

Vamil Divan
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

Great. Thanks for squeezing me in, and thanks for all the details today. Maybe just one on the commercial side again, I guess, for Elena Ridloff. Just the comments around gross to net. Maybe I know it's too early to give formal guidance for next year or beyond, but can you just talk about, as you were talking about the higher gross to net this year, is this more the range you'd expect, generally speaking, going forward? Is this more of an unusual situation this year where things will kind of settle back down as we look at 2022 and beyond? Thank you.

Elena Ridloff
EVP and CFO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Hi, Vamil. As I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we've seen the volume from 340B institutions grow this year. It was pretty stable last year in the low single digits, and it increased this year to mid to high single digits. This is a trend that's been seen more broadly in the industry. I wouldn't expect it to reverse. As I mentioned, we expect for this year growth to be about 20%, and we'll provide guidance for next year on our fourth Q call in the February timeframe.

Vamil Divan
Analyst, Mizuho Securities

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude the Q&A session of today's program. I'd like to hand the program back to management for any further remarks.

Steve Davis
CEO, ACADIA Pharmaceuticals

Great. Thanks, operator, and thanks much to each of you for joining us today. Look forward to updating you on our progress as we move forward.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.