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Earnings Call: Q4 2021

Mar 30, 2022

Operator

Good day, and welcome to AerCap's fourth quarter 2021 financial results. Today's conference is being recorded and a transcript will be available following the call on the company's website. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Joseph McGinley, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Joseph McGinley
Head of Investor Relations, AerCap

Thank you, operator, and hello, everyone. Welcome to our fourth quarter 2021 conference call. With me today is our Chief Executive Officer, Aengus Kelly, and our Chief Financial Officer, Peter Juhas. Before we begin today's call, I would like to remind you that some statements made during this conference call, which are not historical facts, may be forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results or events to differ materially from those expressed or implied in such statements. AerCap undertakes no obligation other than that imposed by law to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect future events, information, or circumstances that arise after this call. Further information concerning issues that could materially affect performance can be found in AerCap's earnings release dated March 30, 2021.

A copy of our earnings release and conference call presentation are available on our website at aercap.com, and this call is open to the public and is being webcast simultaneously at aercap.com and will be archived for replay. We will shortly run through our earnings presentation and we'll allow time at the end for Q&A. As a reminder, I would ask that analysts limit themselves to one question and one follow-up. I will now turn the call over to Aengus Kelly.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our full year 2021 earnings call. I am pleased to report full year earnings of $8.68 per share, excluding transaction-related expenses. 2021 was a milestone year for AerCap as we closed the GECAS transaction on November 1. This transaction significantly enhanced and diversified our business, broadened our customer base and geographic reach, increased our product offering, and added outstanding new talent, the combination of which will lead to increased revenues, earnings, and cash flows for years to come. This, along with the continued recovery in air travel in many parts of the world, puts AerCap on a positive trajectory heading into 2022. Now, before we talk about AerCap and the year ahead, I do want to address the tragic events unfolding daily in Ukraine.

Like all of you, our thoughts are with the people of Ukraine. More important than any potential financial impact is the clear and very serious humanitarian crisis taking place in that country, which is impacting the lives of millions of innocent people. Our hope is for a peaceful resolution as soon as possible. As a result of the far-reaching sanctions against Russia imposed by various governments, aircraft lessors which have operations through the EU, U.S., and various other countries, are prohibited from supplying aircraft and aircraft components to Russia. In compliance with these sanctions, AerCap has terminated all aircraft and engine leases we had entered into with Russian entities and will fully comply with these sanctions. Prior to these sanctions being introduced, AerCap had 135 owned aircraft as well as 14 engines on lease to Russian airlines. We had no helicopters on lease to Russian airlines.

This represented approximately 5% of our fleet value. As you would expect, we have taken aggressive steps to recover these assets, and so far have repossessed 22 aircraft and 3 engines from Russia. In addition, we had 7 aircraft on lease in Ukraine, and 5 of those have been recovered. We had 0 aircraft in Belarus. Let me add that our lessees are required to provide insurance coverage with respect to leased aircraft, and we are insured under those policies in the event of a total loss of an aircraft. We also purchase insurance which provides us with coverage when our aircraft or engines are not subject to a lease or where they are subject to a lease, but a lessee's policy fails to indemnify us.

We intend to vigorously pursue all of our claims under these policies with respect to our assets leased to Russian airlines, as well as all other legal remedies that may be available to us. Away from events in Russia, it's important to highlight the strength of AerCap and how the overall aviation leasing environment has improved in the last twelve months, driven by the reopening of markets in Europe and the U.S., with more expected to come in Asia throughout the year. I also want to update you on the GECAS transaction and highlight the diversification our enlarged business benefits from, and also how our customer interaction has changed since the closing of the transaction. On the integration front, I am pleased to report that we've made tremendous progress.

We have filled all of the senior leadership positions, and I am pleased to welcome several new members to our management team who bring with them a wealth of knowledge and experience. I would like to acknowledge the work that has been done to integrate the two companies so seamlessly, and to make a special mention to all of our new colleagues who have integrated so well into the AerCap team, many of whom have changed locations or roles at what was an uncertain time. I thank them for their hard work and dedication. Without such a seamless transition, we would not have been able to sign 158 lease agreements, as well as 72 asset sales and purchases in the fourth quarter alone. No other leasing company comes close to this level of execution.

This record level of activity shows that we hit the ground running just like we did eight years ago, and it is the demonstrable proof of the efficiency and the effectiveness of our integration process. Another important feature of the acquisition of GECAS has been the addition of four new areas of focus for the company, engines, cargo, helicopters, and materials. Each have distinct benefits and synergies that add to the overall AerCap value proposition and offer new lines of revenues and opportunities to support our customers. What I have noticed in particular in the five months that we've now been a combined company is that the level of customer engagement has really stepped up and that we are in a position to provide solutions to airlines and manufacturers which no one else in the world can.

Our two engine leasing businesses have performed well and provide us with a broader reach into our airline customers, significant optionality on how to manage older aircraft, and valuable revenue diversification. Our 100% owned engine leasing business is comprised almost entirely of General Electric and CFM engines. These are the most liquid engine types that power the world's most popular and in-demand aircraft, including the Airbus A320neo, Boeing 737 MAX, 737 NG, Airbus A320, Boeing 787, and Boeing 777-300ER aircraft. Our engine leasing business has deep relationships with two key OEMs, GE Aviation and CFM International, known as CFMI. Some of you may know, and others may not, that CFMI is a joint venture between General Electric and Safran.

This joint venture was established almost 50 years ago, and it produces every engine that powers the 737 family, the 737 MAX family, 50% of all A320s, and 50% of all A320neo family aircraft. A key part of the CFMI joint venture is its spare engine leasing business, known as SES. As part of the GECAS deal, AerCap took over GE's 50% share of SES and signed a 20-year agreement with Safran regarding SES. Engine lease utilization continued to increase through 2021 as a result of strong demand for spare engines. This demand is driven by increased engine utilization, information AerCap has access to on a daily basis. It is clear from our data that many airlines continue to delay investment in new engines and shop visits as a way to preserve cash.

This has helped demand for our short-term leasing product, as well as demand for spare parts in our materials business for refurbishments. As long-haul travel continues to reopen, in Asia in particular, I would expect to see further demand for this product in the year ahead. Moving on to the cargo business, where we are the leader, we have observed structural increase in the demand for cargo aircraft, driven by the rise in e-commerce and global supply chain issues. Due to the structural change, GECAS, which has been a global leader in cargo leasing for 20-plus years, invested in a joint venture conversion program for the triple seven-three hundred ER with our partner, Israel Aerospace Industries, known as IAI. This joint venture is called the Big Twin Freighter program, which involves the conversion of the Boeing triple seven-three hundred ER aircraft into long-haul, large-capacity freighters.

This is the latest in a series of partnerships with IAI dating back over 20 years, which includes the conversion of the Boeing 737-300, 400, as well as 767-300s. We see strong demand for this program, and we have a clear first-mover advantage as GECAS and IAI launched this JV in 2019. Airlines are attracted by the strong unit economics of the aircraft and the excellent payload range performance. Given where commodity prices are, I expect further demand to come in the year ahead as operators switch from 4-engine aircraft like the 747. On the helicopter side, we observed improving demand throughout the second half of 2021. The movement in commodity prices has provided a further tailwind for demand since the beginning of 2022.

This, combined with tighter OEM supply in the last number of years, has helped firm up lease rates and demand. I was able to see this level of interest and enthusiasm firsthand when I attended the Heli-Expo event in Dallas, Texas, earlier this month, and I am confident this sector will further strengthen in 2022. The expansion into new utility missions has also been a positive driver for helicopter demand. Two examples would be defense, where one of our larger customers provides support to the U.S. Navy, and search and rescue, which includes the growing area of aerial firefighting. Given recent events, it is likely that energy independence is going to be an ongoing theme for the foreseeable future, and our helicopter business will help us support this trend with various new campaigns underway.

With the stronger macro backdrop, wider mission capability, and tighter supply, the business is well-positioned to capitalize on increased demand. Now turning to passenger aircraft. We continue to see a robust improvement in demand as COVID restrictions around the world are unwound. For example, domestic travel in Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, Malaysia, and Vietnam is already back to approximately 80% of 2019 levels, which is around 30,000 flights a week. In contrast, however, international travel in those countries remains low at only 17% of 2019 levels or 2,300 flights per week. There is plenty of room for growth there as restrictions ease, which will feed into future wide body demand. Now turning to the impact of higher oil.

Certainly in the short term, it is clear that the pent-up demand for air travel is extremely strong, given 2 years of lockdowns around the world, coupled with high levels of household savings. If higher commodity prices persist, we will have to see what impact they have. Please bear in mind, the industry was able to cope with $100 oil between February 2011 and September 2014. Airlines in Europe benefit from higher average fuel hedging than their North American counterparts, and recent statements from the airlines suggest they are confident that they can pass through higher oil prices as yields remain strong. One recent example was that Delta had their highest ever day of sales, despite being at approximately 80% of 2019 capacity.

What we can clearly see on a global basis is that the propensity to travel has not diminished, and that the industry has proven itself to higher oil prices even following the financial crisis. We have every confidence that it will do so again this year. In summary, the integration of GECAS has been extremely successful as demonstrated by the level of deal activity, 230 deals in 90 days, which is unprecedented for the industry. In 2021, AerCap generated tremendous earnings of over $8 per share in adverse circumstances and executed the largest M&A deal in the industry's history. As we look forward, the rebound in demand for air travel and our strong balance sheet, allied to the benefits of the GECAS transaction, sets AerCap up for many years to come.

I'll now hand the call over to Pete for a review of the financials.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Thanks, Gus. Good morning, everyone. Before going through our fourth quarter results, I'd like to give you an overview of our Russian exposure from a financial standpoint. As Gus mentioned, prior to the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the imposition of sanctions, AerCap had 135 owned aircraft and 14 owned engines on lease to Russian airlines. These assets generated monthly lease rents of approximately $33 million based on the month of December 2021. The net carrying value of these assets on our balance sheet was approximately $3.1 billion as of December 31, 2021. That includes the net book value of flight equipment, maintenance rights assets, on balance sheet maintenance reserves that we hold against them, and other related assets and liabilities. That represents around 5% of the total net carrying value of our assets.

Of course, we intend to fully comply with all applicable sanctions. We've issued termination notices in respect of all of our aircraft and engines leased to Russian airlines, and we've taken aggressive steps to recover our assets. As of today, we've removed 22 of our owned aircraft and 3 of our owned engines from Russia. The net carrying value of the assets that we've removed to date is approximately $400 million, and we are currently assessing the condition of these aircraft. We have approximately $260 million of letters of credit related to our Russian assets that are not on our balance sheet. For the most part, these represent security deposits that were not paid in cash, but rather provided as a letter of credit with a bank that can be drawn upon in an event of default.

We've presented requests for payment to all of the banks providing these letters of credit. So far, we've received approximately $175 million from these banks, and we're pursuing payment to the remaining amounts and enforcing our rights under the remaining letters of credit. That leaves us a net remaining exposure after the letter of credit proceeds already collected and based on the net carrying value of assets already removed of approximately $2.5 billion for our assets that remain in Russia. Of course, we continue to make efforts to repossess additional aircraft and engines from Russia, but it is uncertain whether we will be successful in these efforts. Many of these aircraft are now being flown illegally by our former airline customers.

We expect to recognize an impairment on the aircraft and engines that remain in Russia, which may occur as early as the first quarter of 2022. We'll also need to review for impairment the assets that we've removed from Russia. As Gus mentioned earlier, our lessees are required to purchase insurance coverage under our leases, and we also purchase our own insurance to provide contingent coverage as well as coverage when our aircraft are off lease. We will vigorously pursue our rights under all of these policies. Last week, we submitted an insurance claim for approximately $3.5 billion with respect to our aircraft and engines remaining in Russia. We also plan to pursue all other avenues for the recovery of the value of our assets, including other legal claims available to us. However, it is uncertain whether these efforts will be successful.

To sum up, the total net carrying value of our assets on lease to Russian Airlines was $3.1 billion. This will be offset by the value of assets that we're able to remove from Russia and the payments that we receive under our letters of credit. Of course, ultimately, our economic exposure will also be offset by any recoveries that we obtain from insurance or other claims. Now I'll turn to the fourth quarter results, which is the first quarter to include the results of the legacy GECAS business. The fourth quarter includes results for GECAS for the two months starting November 1, the date we completed the transaction, through December 31. Our total revenues for the fourth quarter were $1.442 billion, an increase of 40% from the fourth quarter of 2020.

This increase was primarily due to the inclusion of basic lease rents from the legacy GECAS business. The impact of cash accounting in the fourth quarter was $68 million, which is a reduction from the impact during the third quarter, notwithstanding the fact that we now also have some legacy GECAS aircraft on cash accounting. Maintenance rents were slightly lower in the fourth quarter as we had a lower number of lease terminations in the fourth quarter of 2021. We continued to see positive momentum with our customers from the global recovery in air travel. Our operating cash flow for the fourth quarter was $1.7 billion, which was helped by the collection of $409 million related to our LATAM claim. Our cash collection rate was over 100% as we had net repayments of deferrals during the quarter.

Our deferral balance at the end of December was $587 million, which was higher than the $427 million that we reported at the end of the third quarter due to combining the two businesses. However, for both AerCap and legacy GECAS, we saw a reduction in deferral balances over the past several quarters, and we would expect this trend to continue during 2022. During the fourth quarter, from our owned fleet, we sold 19 aircraft, two engines, and three helicopters for a total of $412 million. The average age of the assets that we sold was 15 years, and our net gain on sales for the quarter was $25 million, or a 6% gain on sale margin. Other income was $38 million for the quarter, which increased due to higher management fees and other items.

Turning now to expenses, our total expenses were $1,353 million for the fourth quarter, an increase due to the GECAS acquisition. The main areas that increased were depreciation and amortization due to the larger fleet, interest expense due to the larger debt balance, other leasing expenses in SG&A because of the increase in the size of the business. We also recognized expenses of $139 million in the fourth quarter related to the GECAS transaction. This primarily represents the amortization of the remaining costs of the bridge financing facility that we put in place last March, as well as legal and other fees related to the transaction. Excluding the costs related to the GECAS transaction, net income for the fourth quarter of 2021 was $211 million, or $1.04 per share.

For the full year of 2021, AerCap generated net income of just over $1 billion, or $6.71 a share. Excluding GECAS transaction-related expenses, net income for the full year was $1.294 billion, or $8.68 a share. We continue to maintain a strong liquidity position. As of December 31, our total sources of liquidity were approximately $18 billion, which resulted in next twelve-month sources to uses coverage ratio of 2.2 times. That's well above our current target of 1.5 times and gives us excess cash coverage of approximately $10 billion. As I mentioned earlier, our cash collections continued to be strong at over 100%, and our operating cash flow was $1.7 billion for the fourth quarter.

We continue to maintain a very strong balance sheet. Our leverage ratio at the end of the quarter was 2.66 to 1, which is slightly below our target of 2.7 to 1, and which is well ahead of what we forecasted when we announced the GECAS transaction this time last year. Our secure debt percentage was approximately 15% of our total assets, the lowest level in the company's history. That's also a significant decrease from 23% as of the third quarter prior to completion of the GECAS transaction. Finally, our average cost of debt has come down significantly and is now at 3.2% compared to 3.8% for the fourth quarter of 2020.

As many of you know, when we acquired the GECAS business, we were required under GAAP to fair value all of the assets and liabilities. The net asset value of the GECAS business on their closing balance sheet was $33.5 billion. We paid GE total consideration of $30.2 billion, which was comprised of $22.6 billion in cash, $1 billion of notes issued directly to GE, and $6.6 billion of equity, which is 111.5 million shares multiplied by the stock price on the closing date. So that $30.2 billion is the total amount of value that we had to allocate through the purchase price allocation, or PPA process. As you'd expect, the largest amount of value is allocated to flight equipment.

It's important to note, though, that in purchase accounting, we are required to separate the metal value of the flight equipment assets, that is based on the actual physical condition that they are in as of the closing date and other assets related to the lease contracts we have in place for that flight equipment. We have $24.4 billion of flight equipment based on the physical condition of the aircraft engines and helicopters. In addition, we also have a further $4 billion of related maintenance rights assets. Altogether, the total value of flight equipment assets is $28.4 billion. We have another asset of $3 billion that reflects the prepayments on flight equipment or PDPs, which GECAS made to the OEMs for future orders.

In addition, we recognized an accrued maintenance liability for amounts that we expect to reimburse our customers for future maintenance events. There are also some other assets and liabilities. I thought it would be useful to explain a few of these key items in a little more detail. For those of you who are familiar with our acquisition of ILFC in 2014, we went through exactly the same process this time and recognized the same types of maintenance rights assets, lease premium assets, and maintenance liabilities that we did back in 2014. The flight equipment of $24.4 billion was based on the actual maintenance condition of each asset as of the closing date and the discounted cash flows over the remaining life of that asset. This amount will be depreciated over the remaining useful life of each asset.

For most past year aircraft, that means over the remaining useful life until the aircraft is 25 years old. The maintenance rights asset represents the difference between the physical condition of each asset on the closing date and the contractually required return condition at the end of the lease. As many of you know, the lessee is responsible for the maintenance of our aircraft while they're on lease. They either make maintenance reserve payments to us on a monthly basis based on the utilization of the aircraft over the previous month, which is called a maintenance reserve contract, or they make a payment to us at the end of the lease for the value difference between the actual return condition and the contractually required return condition, which is called an end of lease contract.

This maintenance rights asset is amortized over the remaining term of the lease, not over the remaining useful life of the aircraft. This effectively results in accelerated depreciation of the asset over the remaining term of the lease. It is amortized when events occur rather than on a straight line basis, so it can move around from quarter to quarter, depending on what events happen during that quarter. When we calculate the fair value of assets, we have to look at the market as of the closing date. If we have a lease that's in the money, in other words, where the rental rate and the lease agreement is higher than the prevailing market rate as of the closing date, we have to recognize a lease premium asset.

The lease premium asset represents the discounted value of those differences between the contractual rate and the market rate, and is amortized over the remaining term of the lease as a reduction to basic lease rents. This has two impacts. First, it reduces the amount of revenue that we will report during the remaining term of the lease. Second, it results in accelerated depreciation of lease assets over the period. That's because the lease premium asset, like the maintenance rights asset, is amortized over the remaining lease term, not the remaining useful life. Finally, the maintenance liability is the amount that we expect to reimburse our lessees for maintenance events that occur during the remainder of the lease. That liability of $1.2 billion will increase as we receive future maintenance payments and will decrease when the maintenance events occur and we reimburse our lessees.

What does all this mean in practice? It means that the purchase accounting rules have a significant impact on our balance sheet and our income statement. To give you an idea of this, during the fourth quarter alone, our revenue was reduced by a non-cash amount of $129 million due to amortization of the maintenance rights asset and lease premium asset during the quarter. I realize that's a lot of information on accounting topics, but given the sizes of these items and the significant impact on the financial statements, I thought it would be useful to explain all of this in some detail. With that, operator, we can open up the call for Q&A.

Operator

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please signal by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. Once again, everyone, to ask a question, please press star one at this time. We'll pause for a quick moment to assemble the queue. All right, we'll take our first question from Jamie Baker with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hey, this is James on for Jamie and Mark, who send their regards. Just wanted to start off maybe with one question on the order book and then a second question on Russia. For the order book this year, can you just give an update on the placement of the book for 2022? I'm not sure if you disclosed in the past, but is there a % of fleet that's aircraft on the ground? Just any general color on the forward order book.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

Sure. On the order book, we're seeing very robust demand around the world, be that in Southeast Asia, where we're starting to see the recovery start to take hold. We look at South America, we've been placing aircraft there. North America, we placed aircraft there. In Europe, we're seeing the wide body new activity placement pick up as well with a couple of placements in the European arena. Now regarding 2022, we had no aircraft left to place prior to the Russian sanctions. We'll have a handful of airplanes now to place, and we're seeing very good demand for all of those assets. In fact, last week, we had several airlines looking for those slots. So those airplanes will all get placed.

The order book itself is 90% or so focused on the narrow body, predominantly the A320neo, of course, and then to a lesser extent, the MAX, of which we're also seeing improved demand coming in there. I think as we have seen elsewhere in the world, the demand to travel has not gone away, and it comes back faster than the airlines realize in every region. We're seeing that now in Southeast Asia. Yesterday, I had a long discussion with the CEO of one of the largest airlines in Asia. He was keen to see what we had observed as the recovery took hold in other parts of the world, and they want to be ready to meet the demand that they believe will come throughout the end of this year. Sorry, what was your second question?

Speaker 11

Well, I'm not sure if you disclosed the aircraft on the ground or as a % of fleet.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

Oh, aircraft on the ground. I mean, it's de minimis excluding Russia.

Speaker 11

Mm-hmm. Okay, that's helpful. Just moving to Russia, I guess bigger picture, has the situation in Russia caused you to rethink how you think about different markets across the world in terms of political risk or, you know, how are you thinking about the risk premium globally across your portfolio?

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

I think, look, our unique position in the industry gives us tremendous diversification, be that in the regular way, passenger fixed wing business, where we're pretty much equally represented in each major country in the world, or region, you know, that we would track global ASKs that would tend to match where we are in terms of our the percentage of our fleet there. I don't see any major change there. The business is highly diversified. Then post the GECAS transaction, you have to look at the business now and say, okay, we have the passenger business, we have the freight business, we have the biggest engine business in the world, we have the biggest helicopter business in the world. Helicopter business is one that's been, of course, a pleasant surprise.

Given what we have seen occur in commodity prices, we've seen a significant uptick in demand for helis over the course of the second half of 2021. That has certainly increased significantly over the last couple of months as we see energy independence and security becoming more and more of a theme.

Speaker 11

Got it. If I could just sneak in one more, a quick one, hopefully. Can you give us a breakdown of the exposure from state-owned airlines versus private? Do you think there's any difference in how that will be treated by insurance?

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

No, there's no difference at all. There's no difference whatsoever between the two.

Speaker 11

Got it. Okay, thanks a lot.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

The breakdown, we're about 75%. Yeah, sorry. We're about 75% non-state-owned, if you break it down by book value.

Speaker 11

Got it. Great. Thank you.

Operator

All right. We'll take a question now from Helane Becker with Cowen. Please go ahead.

Helane Becker
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Cowen

Oh, thanks very much, operator. Hi, everybody, and thank you very much for the time. I guess the question is with respect to cargo, because that was not a business that you were in. And you commented about you're surprised with respect to helicopters. What about cargo? Are you surprised at the demand there, and how are you thinking about that going forward? The other question is on things like eVTOL. I don't think that's on your radar right now, but how are you thinking about that going forward as well? Are you thinking of being a fast follower, or how are you thinking about that? Thanks.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

Sure. On cargo, Helane, GECAS has been a leader in the cargo business for the last 30 years. They have been at the forefront of every major cargo conversion program, be that the 737 classics, the 300s, the 400s. They were the launch customer on the 800 conversions, the MD-11 conversions. They had a much deeper knowledge of that business than AerCap did, and that's why we're delighted that the entire cargo team is still here with us and is leading the growth of that business, significant growth. The thing that GECAS did, and this is long before we saw the exponential growth in demand for cargo resulting from the pandemic, was GECAS, because of their knowledge, entered into a joint venture agreement with IAI, which is the most experienced cargo conversion house in the world.

Launching a cargo conversion program is a very difficult thing to do, and it requires deep engineering expertise and knowledge of the market. GECAS entered into the joint venture with IAI, and we have clear first-mover advantage there on the 777-300ER conversion program. We're seeing very good demand for that. We're going to see our presence in the cargo business grow over the years to come as well. We're very excited about that. On the eVTOLs, you know, look, our focus at the moment, Helane, is on our own businesses that we have, and we're very confident in those.

Helane Becker
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Cowen

Okay. That's all fair enough. Thanks very much. Those were my questions.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

You're welcome.

Operator

All right. Now we'll hear from Moshe Orenbuch with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Moshe Orenbuch
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Great. Thanks. Pete, is there a way to kind of bridge how to think about, you know, the revenue side of the equation from what you saw in the fourth quarter, you know, the major puts and takes as to how you're gonna get into, you know, what it's gonna look like in early 2022 and what the trends are that will be, you know, kind of influencing that? Like, is there just a way to kinda, you know, give a little bit of a bridge? Obviously, you've got, you know, one month that GECAS wasn't in there, but there are also, you know, kind of other sort of things that we probably should be aware of.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Sure, Moshe. Look, I think, you know, given the uncertainty around Russia at the moment, it's difficult to give guidance on 2022. What I would say is, you know, if you look at the revenues for the fourth quarter, and I mentioned this in my remarks, but you do have some things coming through that affect those, like the lease premium asset, right? The amortization of that. There are a number of other kind of, let's say, distorting things that happened in the fourth quarter. So it doesn't make it that great a run rate to be looking at that from that standpoint.

I'd say overall, though, you know, if we look at kind of the trends that we've been seeing in terms of cash accounting and, you know, cash flows and things like that, you know, those have all been positive, right? We would expect those to continue, right? In terms of our deferrals coming down, our cash collection rate was over 100% in the fourth quarter. I think we'll see a good rate in the first quarter as well. You know, all of that continues to progress. You know, like we had said on previous calls, I do think that, you know, revenues are gonna climb. Like, leaving Russia aside, revenues are gonna climb during the course of the year as we continue to emerge from COVID.

Moshe Orenbuch
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Just to drill down on that for one second. You did mention, you know, that, you know, those, the maintenance rights and the lease premium are amortized over the remaining life of the leases versus the life of the aircraft.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Mm-hmm.

Moshe Orenbuch
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

What are those two numbers for GE? Like, you know, how big a difference is that?

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Well, I mean, what you'll see is $hundreds of millions coming through from those two items combined, right? During the course of each year-

Moshe Orenbuch
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Right

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Really. Because when you think of, you know, the average remaining leases are several years, right? Four or five years. Most of that amount will be coming down over that period. Like, if you go back to the ILFC acquisition, that's when you saw those big numbers coming through that impacted our results. You know, that's why I went through that long and maybe laborious accounting tutorial there, because I just think it's important for people to recognize these items and to understand the impact they have. You know, they are non-cash items. You know, from an economic standpoint, you know, I think it's reasonable to look through them, but obviously, that's not how the accounting treatment works.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

Moshe, just at a very simple level, if we had two identical aircraft, one was AerCap, one was GECAS, with identical features, identical economics, purchase prices, what you will see is that post the transaction, if the GECAS asset, which it would have had some maintenance rights assets and lease premium on it, then that will dampen the profitability of that asset artificially over the next couple of years, 'cause it's just a non-cash acceleration of depreciation. That's what it is.

Moshe Orenbuch
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

I understand the concept. I guess I'm just trying to understand whether you're gonna be able to call out those amounts specifically for us so that we can identify.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Yeah. Look, I think, I mean, each quarter we would plan to explain all of the factors, right, that affect the results.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

Just like we did in this quarter, Moshe. Pete, I mean, we gave the number.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Yeah, yeah.

Moshe Orenbuch
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

I do think that is something that, you know, people should be considering. At the moment, it's hard to predict it for 2022, as I said, you know, so we'll have to come back to you later on that.

Moshe Orenbuch
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

It is fair to say that since it's on a remaining life of the leases, some of those leases are expiring each year, so it should, you know, on balance, be declining amounts.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Yes. Overall, you're right. I mean, yeah, basically that, you know, what I showed was an aggregate amount. You've got somewhere it's a lease that lasts for a year, some lasts 3 years, some 5, you know? It's all of those combined. You should see it rolling off over time, as we did with the ILFC transaction, right? What's harder to predict is the maintenance rights asset gets amortized when events occur, and that, you know, you basically have to forecast that and say, "Okay, when are those events gonna occur?" It can move around a lot, and it can be lumpy from quarter to quarter. That's what makes it more difficult.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

Moshe, as we said, we'll show you every quarter what it was.

Moshe Orenbuch
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Sure.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

Of course, as we said, it's an accelerated charge, it's non-cash, it has no economic impact on the business.

Moshe Orenbuch
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Sure.

Operator

All right. Our next question will come from Vincent Caintic with Stephens. Please go ahead.

Vincent Caintic
Specialty and Consumer Finance Analyst, Stephens

Hey, thanks. Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. I mean, this is kind of a follow-up to Moshe's question, but the primary questioning I'm getting from investors this morning is, you know, when we take the $4 adjusted EPS for the fourth quarter, you know, is that a good run rate when we think about 2022? So I mean, that would be annualizing to about $5 a share EPS in 2022. And then relatedly, you know, if you can help us think about that maintenance right asset, that lease premium asset, the impact to 2022. I know it's kind of lumpy, but if I remember correctly, previously you had a table in the proxy.

Any help you can give us on, you know, whether fourth quarter before the impact of Russia is that a good run rate when we think about GAAP earnings and some of the moving parts to it?

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Sure. Look, overall, Vincent, in terms of guidance, I think it's difficult to give that at the moment on, across the board. In terms of those two items, yeah, I mean, look, I would say I expect that to be over $100 million a quarter, combined for those two, and, you know, could be well over $100 million in certain quarters. I don't think it's necessarily a bad run rate to be using in that regard.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

Sorry, Moshe's asking the run rate of the earnings, not the charges. The charges

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

I'm talking about the charges.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

Yeah, we're talking the charges, not the earnings. We would add those charges back, Moshe.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Vincent.

Vincent Caintic
Specialty and Consumer Finance Analyst, Stephens

Vincent, sorry.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Right.

Vincent Caintic
Specialty and Consumer Finance Analyst, Stephens

Yep. Yeah, yeah.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Yeah.

Vincent Caintic
Specialty and Consumer Finance Analyst, Stephens

Okay. Yeah, understood.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Then listen, Vincent, in terms of the earnings for the fourth quarter, I would say, you know, it's somewhat of a messy quarter because you do have a number of things coming through there, right? In terms of the transaction itself, you saw the transaction-related expenses. There are other things that you have to book just under the accounting rules that kind of complicates it for the fourth quarter. So it's not a great run rate from that perspective. I mean, I guess the one thing that I could do, you know, in terms of thinking about the year is give you an idea of some of the drivers, right? Like CapEx, for example. So, you know, CapEx, I think will be a little over $4 billion for the year.

Sales, we're expecting $1.5 billion. Obviously, that will depend on how the sales market plays out, but that's what we're expecting. Then SG&A, because that really shouldn't be affected by any of these other things. I think that will run at probably $110 million a quarter, including stock-based comp. If that's helpful.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

One other thing in the fourth quarter, Moshe, was a number of charges were not allowable for tax purposes, so that drove up the tax rate to an unusually high rate in the fourth quarter, which won't be the case going forward. We went to 20, almost 22% in the fourth quarter, which won't be the case the rest of the year.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

No, I mean, I think our effective tax rate was 14.2% for 2021, and I think it will probably be around that for 2022. I think, you know, between 13%-15%, which is consistent with what it was before.

Vincent Caintic
Specialty and Consumer Finance Analyst, Stephens

Okay, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate all that, detail. I understand there's a lot of moving parts, so thank you for that. Kind of maybe second question, if you could talk about you're thinking about impairing the aircraft that are in Russia. If you can maybe help us think about how to frame that and how insurance comes into play, when you think about that, impairment. Thank you.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Sure. Look, we expect that we'll have to take an impairment based on the fact that the leasing has been terminated, the airlines aren't returning our aircraft, and in many cases, as I mentioned, they're continuing to fly them, right? We'll do our impairment review when we prepare our first quarter results. Under the accounting rules, we may not be able to immediately recognize any recoveries from insurance claims if they're contested. In this case, we expect them to be contested just given the large sums involved across the industry. That's why, you know, we wanted to highlight for everyone what the exposure is, and to give people an idea that that may occur in the first quarter.

As I said, we haven't gone through that whole analysis yet, but just wanted to make sure that people were aware of it.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

Obviously, you know, we submitted a claim of $3.5 billion, and we believe the full amount of our $3.5 billion claim is valid.

Vincent Caintic
Specialty and Consumer Finance Analyst, Stephens

Great. That's very helpful. Thanks very much, guys.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Sure.

Operator

All right. Up next, we'll take a question from Ross Harvey with Davy. Please go ahead.

Ross Harvey
Equity Research Analyst, Davy

Just wanna dive into the insurance claim point, if okay. You have a $3.5 billion claim in. I'm just wondering, is that net of any of the monies that you've already recovered or the aircraft you've recovered? I'm just wondering as well, are there any overlaps within that insofar as, you know, have you claimed through the airline's insurance and separately through your own contingent insurance and just where might that net off?

Also just to, you know, to add into that, in terms of the accounting for Q1, if you were to be looking at impairments, on the aircraft, that are based in Russia and which you haven't recovered, would you be allowed to put an expected insurance claim into your, you know, expected cash flow models on those aircraft to the degree that you might have expected insurance payouts? I'm just wondering, you know, what we're likely to see in Q1, and then at potentially a later date in terms of insurance, payouts, just, you know, the timing of any of the, impairments and potential gains on that.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Sure, Ross. First, the $3.5 billion figure, that relates only to the aircraft and engines which have not been recovered. Those are the ones that are still in Russia, and that's a claim under our policies. We'll also have to look at other policies, the airline's policies and others, to evaluate those for claims as well. In terms of, you know, when could we receive those amounts? I think we'll just have to wait and see. It's way too early to do that. Obviously, we just filed that claim last week. As it relates to the impairment and whether you can count the insurance proceeds against that, you know, when looking at the assets and doing the cash flows.

As I said, you know, we haven't done our review for our first quarter yet, so I don't wanna prejudge that. But our understanding is that as long as insurance claims are contested, that you cannot count them, right? I just think it's reasonable to assume that they will be contested in this case. That's why I think what we're likely to see is a timing mismatch between, you know, when you have to do that impairment analysis, and when you're likely to get recoveries under insurance claims or other claims that we may get.

Ross Harvey
Equity Research Analyst, Davy

Okay, thanks, Pete. Just into the area of accounting then, if I may. I'm just trying to look at the revaluation of GECAS assets as it compares to the pro forma figures that you gave in November. In particular, I think there's been a pretty big increase in terms of the lease premium assets. They look like they're about $500 million higher.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Mm-hmm.

Ross Harvey
Equity Research Analyst, Davy

Maintenance rights assets look like they're about the same. Can you just comment on how there was revaluation between October and now? I mean, I presume it's just the case of getting in to look at the actual contracts themselves. Related to that, I think you gave a figure of $129 million at the end of the prepared remarks. I'm just wondering, does that relate to the, you know, what we would remember from the ILFC days? Is that like the additional maintenance rights assets amortization above and beyond what would've been there from a D&A perspective on the aircraft?

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Yes. On the second one, yes. Effectively, that is the same thing that you would've seen in the ILFC acquisition. When we did the purchase price allocation for the pro formas, pro formas you have to do under different rules, right? There are assumptions about the date of those. I would say, even though we had access to all the contracts before and got to see them, obviously, during our due diligence, you know, the pro formas were based on the information that we had then, back during diligence. You have to basically roll all of that forward and look at the actual conditions, though it's based on some estimates there.

When we looked at the actual condition as of November first, when the transaction closed, that's when you have to go into detail on those. So it really just reflects a differing maintenance condition for the most part. I mean, you also look at the leasing environment at the time, but I don't think that was really a big driver of it at that point. I would say, just, you know, for everyone's clarity, because the transaction closed on November first, and the Russian invasion and sanctions all happened in February, that didn't affect the PPA at all. So that was all, you know, that was all done and unaffected by this because this was. The Russian thing is really a subsequent event.

Ross Harvey
Equity Research Analyst, Davy

Thanks. If you don't mind, I'll just get one more follow-up then, if that's okay, Peter. Just in terms of the SG&A and the leasing expenses in Q4, can you just try and break out for us a little bit more what kinda so-called transient factors are in there and, you know, just what we should be looking at in terms of the run rate into Q1?

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Sure. Look, SG&A, as I said, I think that a reasonable number to assume on a quarterly basis, $110 million, which encompasses the stock-based comp too, right? All SG&A plus stock-based comp. I think in the fourth quarter, it was probably, you know, elevated by $15 million-$20 million or so SG&A, just given kind of one-time things that don't strictly fall under transaction expenses, but really are transaction expenses for all intents and purposes. On the leasing expenses side, I'd say that was probably elevated by $60 million-$70 million for similar things. As I said, you know, there is a number of things that the accounting rules just require you to do. Those are some of the effects that we saw.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

One other thing in the fourth quarter that came out of the accounting rules is there were quite a number of instances where GECAS had contracted a sale at a gain. Under the accounting rules, what we must do is carry that asset at the sales price, so no gain is recognized. But what happens is that, of course, you have more money to write down assets that remain on your balance sheet. So that had a further dampening effect on the earnings of the fourth quarter for the company, because there were quite a number of airplanes that had gains built into them, where they were selling for values that were higher than the GECAS carrying values. Of course, we bought the assets at lower than the GECAS carrying values.

Ross Harvey
Equity Research Analyst, Davy

Gotcha. Thanks. Thanks, both.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Sure.

Operator

All right, our next question will come from Catie O'Brien with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Catie O'Brien
Lead US Airline and Aircraft Lessor Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks so much for the time. Not to belabor this, but just one more on the Russian impairment accounting. If you had 5% net book value on leased Russian airlines a year in 2020, since then, I think you've gotten back just under $600 million of that value, offset through letters of credit and repossessions. On my math, that leaves about 4% of your book value exposed. How do you think about further offsets to that 4% potential book value hit, if any? You know, does that already include cash security and maintenance deposits you have on your balance sheet? Then obviously, I totally understand there's some accounting practices, where there might be a mismatch between insurance proceeds and you guys, you know, having to take the impairment.

Down the line, would any insurance proceeds come in at a gain to potentially offset impairments you take in the meantime? I realize there's like a couple questions in one there.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Yeah, sure. No problem, Catie. The net carrying value of $3.1 billion, and if you can see this on slide 6 that I went through, but that incorporates the net book value of the assets, maintenance rights asset and other things, lease premium assets that I mentioned. And it also incorporates the maintenance reserves of roughly $700 million. Those are the reserves that we got for it. Then in addition to that, we've got that $260 million of letters of credit, which are also, you know, protections that we have, and we're drawing on them, but we don't put them on our balance sheet because it's not a cash reserve that we hold. It's just a letter of credit that we can draw on.

You know, the way I would look at it is, I'd say take that $3.1 billion net carrying value, subtract the amounts of letters of credit that we've received to date, and we expect to continue to get these, and then subtract the carrying value of the aircraft that we've removed from Russia, right? Roughly $400 million, and that gets you to around $2.5 billion. That's what I would look at as the net exposure there. In terms of, I guess maybe just to frame it in terms of what does that mean for us, right?

If we had to write down that entire amount, let's just say we had to write down that entire amount in the first quarter, the impact on us would likely be to take our leverage ratio up to about 3 to 1, right? Obviously, that's a setback from where we were today, which is just under 2.7 to 1. But, you know, we have to keep in mind it is about 5% of the fleet or a little under, you know, given those offsets. You know, we would expect to delever during the course of the year back towards our target level of 2.7 to 1. You know, I think that from that standpoint, while as I said, a setback, it's a manageable one. You know, the overall trajectory of the business isn't really affected.

I should say also, because we have gotten some questions, you know, in terms of financial covenants, that's really unimpacted as well. We're well below any thresholds on that front. Now in terms of the insurance recoveries, right? Let's say you had to take that. If we took that write down during the first quarter, then any insurance recoveries coming in would just come in as other income. It's not necessarily a gain, it's just other income that you would be recognizing when you receive it or when it's probable of receipt.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

As Pete mentioned there, the 3-to-1 ratio that we would go to in that scenario is what we told you we would be at once we closed the GECAS deal at December 31. What has happened, of course, is that the GECAS transaction has been a big success. We've seen there was very strong earnings between March and December of 2021, which gave us a significant boost in the business that outperformed the base case there.

Catie O'Brien
Lead US Airline and Aircraft Lessor Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

That's some great color. You know, really just a bit of a timing mismatch. Obviously, with all the uncertainty, I understand there's some concern, but good to know. Then maybe just a longer-term one. As we think about you guys combining the two fleets over the next couple of years, should we expect to see something similar to what we saw post-ILFC? You know, you guys shrunk the fleet for a couple of years to clean things up, use the gains on sales to delever. Anything different this time around?

Then if we do see the fleet get a little bit smaller over the coming years as you go through those transactions, to what extent, like should returns improve or maybe we see shareholder returns, that even if the fleet's getting a bit smaller, we might see, you know, book value per share or EPS per share, however you want to think about it, improve from here? Thanks so much for the time.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

Look, I think, Catie, that's driven by the fundamentals of the business. If you look at the nine months from March to December, which were where the business was owned by us, it outperformed what we thought. As we go forward, I think you're going to continue to see that trend. That's going to grow book value per share. That's going to enhance our ability to allocate capital as we see best. We've been very disciplined and careful stewards of your money, the shareholders, over the last 10, 12 years that you've seen. We will always do what we think is in the best long-term interest of the business on a risk/reward basis.

As I said, look, we came into the end of the year, December, in an extremely strong position, way ahead of where we thought we'd be at, 2.66 to 1 on the debt equity, where we had originally guided 3 to 1. Now, as Pete mentioned, the events of Russia are certainly a setback, but they are a very manageable setback, and the core of the business is still extremely strong. As I said, we're seeing the recovery in aviation is continuing to occur. We have a diversified business now, a leading position with the engines. To, you know, to come back to asset sales, you're going to see a very similar playbook, I would imagine, to what you saw 8 years ago.

Catie O'Brien
Lead US Airline and Aircraft Lessor Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

That's great. A lot to look forward to. Thank you so much.

Peter Juhas
CFO, AerCap

Sure.

Operator

There are no further questions in the queue. Actually, we'll take one more question here. I apologize. We will hear from Ronald Epstein with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Ronald Epstein
Managing Director and Senior Aerospace and Defense Analyst, Bank of America

Hey, thanks, guys. Yeah, yeah. Last but not least, hopefully. Couple questions for you. One question, a quick one I've gotten from some investors is, what are your thoughts on capital deployment? I mean, how should we think about share buybacks going forward? You guys did generate a bunch of cash in the quarter.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

Well, I mean, Ron, I think as I just said there, we obviously came in to the year-end at an extraordinarily strong position, way ahead of where we had expected to be. The events in Russia have set us back a little bit, but I think our priority now, as we said, is we want to move up on the rating spectrum as well. We have always been extremely disciplined around the best use of capital and how to deploy that capital, be it with share buybacks or asset acquisitions, M&A. I do think it's worth noting, Ron, when I started here, when we did our first earnings call, the business had about $3.5 billion of assets. Today, it's got $75 billion.

Along with that has come a very disciplined deployment of capital.

Ronald Epstein
Managing Director and Senior Aerospace and Defense Analyst, Bank of America

Got it. Maybe a second question, a quick one. Russia clearly violated Cape Town. What's that mean going forward to place airplanes into emerging markets? Is there gonna be some sort of increased risk premium that's got to get priced into leases?

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

You know, Russia is clearly a black swan event. Over the course of 50, 60 years of aircraft leasing, we haven't seen an event of this magnitude before. I think that you know, all the other countries we're in, the lessees comply with the rules of the land. I think that there is a temporary aberration here related to Russia, of course. I don't believe that that will have an impact on other jurisdictions around the world in the long term.

Ronald Epstein
Managing Director and Senior Aerospace and Defense Analyst, Bank of America

Got it. Maybe just two quick airplane questions. When are you expecting to get 787s? I mean, those still haven't been delivered. I mean, when do you think we could start seeing them delivered, and when do you expect to get yours?

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

Well, Ron, I guess, from our own unique position in the industry as the largest marginal supplier of capacity to the airlines. On the supply side, the longer airplanes don't deliver, the more positive it is for us. That's a fact, simple fact. However, I do believe the 787 is a great airplane, and we look forward to getting it when they will start to deliver again. Indeed, I guess, Ron, it's not when they start to deliver really, it's the pace at which they deliver. The same is true of the MAX, the pace that it can be deliver. We will have to see on the Airbus side as well what impact supply chains have there.

The other part of our business on the supply side that has been extremely constrained over the last five years has been the helicopter side. Again, we are the marginal supplier of capacity to that industry, too. As I look at supply side, given, as I said, AerCap's unique position as the key marginal supplier of lift to the industry, where we have supply hiccups, it's not always a bad thing for us.

Ronald Epstein
Managing Director and Senior Aerospace and Defense Analyst, Bank of America

Got it. Maybe just one final one, if I can. It looks like the 737 MAX 7 and 10 might not actually get certified in time. Do you expect that to impact the deliveries of those airplanes, the timing and pace at which they can be delivered?

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

It may, but it's very difficult to say at this point. What I can tell you about the MAX is that the MAX 8 is in strong demand out there right now. The MAX 8 is an extremely capable aircraft. And that airplane is seeing strong demand out there. As for that matter is the 737-800, which is a tremendous airplane, too, notwithstanding the tragic events, of course, that occurred in China Eastern. What we have seen and been surprised by is the MAX 8 that we've seen the gap on the lease rates pretty much close now between an A320neo and a MAX 8. They're not that far apart at all, where there was a significant gap for much of the last couple of years.

Ronald Epstein
Managing Director and Senior Aerospace and Defense Analyst, Bank of America

Got it. Thank you very much.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

Thank you all very much.

Operator

That concludes the Q&A session for today. I'll now hand the call back to Aengus Kelly for closing remarks.

Aengus Kelly
CEO and Executive Director, AerCap

Thank you all for joining us today for the call. As you can see, we're very excited about the future for this business. We saw the capability of the company over the course of the last nine months of 2021. Notwithstanding the events in Russia, which, as I said, are certainly a setback, but a very manageable one, we are very confident in the future as we see the recovery in air travel gain traction around the world with the COVID restrictions being unwound. Again, thank you very much for joining us on the call, and look forward to speaking to you again in a couple of months' time.

Operator

This concludes today's call. We thank you again for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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