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Investor Meeting

Mar 21, 2024

Operator

Good morning and welcome to Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.'s quarterly investor meeting with management. Participants have been placed on a listen-only mode. Your lines will be open for questions following the presentation. Today's call is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. Some of the comments made during this investor meeting, including answers given in response to questions, may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the securities laws. The company undertakes no obligation to update these statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Please refer to the information concerning forward-looking statements and risk factors sections contained in the company's most recent earnings release and Form 10-K and 10-Q filings for more details on such risks and uncertainties.

In addition, for reconciliations of the non-GAAP measures discussed during this meeting, please refer to our most recent earnings press release and other materials in the investor relations section of the company's website. It is now my pleasure to introduce J. Patrick Gallagher, Jr., Chairman and CEO of Arthur J. Gallagher & Co. Mr. Gallagher, you may begin.

Patrick Gallagher
Chairman and CEO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining today's call. We appreciate you taking the time today to hear more about the Gallagher story outside of the busy earnings season. As I've said in the past, these regular meetings provide you the opportunity to learn more about Gallagher, hear from our various leaders, and digest some more recent data points on our performance. So let me walk you through the format of today's meeting. I'll begin with some brief prepared remarks covering Gallagher's competitive position, the market backdrop, and our organic expectations for the full year 2024. Then our leaders will each speak for five to seven minutes, providing background information on our business, insights into various markets, and cover relevant growth and operating initiatives. Our leaders will also give you some indications of how the first quarter is playing out thus far.

Doug Howell, our CFO, will pull all the comments together and provide some financial commentary. Our prepared remarks should last around one hour. After that, we will open up the line to the group dialed in for questions and answers. So with that out of the way, let me begin by telling you that I believe the business has never been in a better position to compete and win. As I look across divisions, geographies, and our product and industry verticals, we're in a very enviable position. We've built an exceptionally strong team with leading talent and expertise and have a wide global reach. We have a fantastic growth outlook, both organically and through mergers, and our profitability profile remains excellent. We are a global insurance, brokerage, consulting, and risk management juggernaut.

We generate substantial cash flows that allow us to reinvest in our business, to drive organic, fund our proven merger and acquisition expansion strategy, provide really competitive compensation to our team, pay a nice dividend, and promote our brand and culture. We have client capabilities in approximately 130 countries and more than 52,000 employees providing highly sought-after advice and exceptional service within the insurance, human capital, and claims management space. As I look out 3, 5, 10, and maybe even 25 years from now, the growth opportunity for Gallagher is enormous. According to the Swiss Re Institute, there's around $7 trillion of annual insurance premiums globally, including life, health, and P&C. These premiums are growing every year through economic expansion, increasing insurance penetration, price increases, emerging risks, and new products. Last year, Gallagher touched approximately about $100 billion of that $7 trillion. You need insurance for everything.

I've described insurance as the oxygen of commerce, and that is what it is. Whether it's operating a restaurant, shipping goods via railroad or cargo ships, sending satellites to space, or even driving a car, you can't do any of these activities without insurance. Just growing the global premium base by 1% would suggest $70 billion of new insurance premium every year, equivalent to the annual premium of some of the largest insurance carriers in the world. So I believe Gallagher will grow along with the industry, and more importantly, we will grow by taking market share. The team will walk you through various growth initiatives we have going on today. The takeaway you should come away with is that Gallagher can grow in just about any environment. There's also tremendous opportunity to grow through mergers and acquisitions. That's because the industry remains very, very fragmented.

With some estimates, there are tens of thousands of agencies and brokerage firms across our major geographies: the U.S., U.K., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and even more globally. Most of them are still family-owned, have less than $25 million of annual revenues, and adding them to our platform can create value for their clients and create career opportunities for their employees. They can also leverage our niche experts and join our culture. All of this creates terrific and consistent returns for our shareholders. We are also improving our competitiveness by increasing productivity and raising quality. We're already operating at attractive margins, but we believe we will always be able to get better, faster, and smarter. We have a cohesive sales and service process, common systems, which allows us to better harness the incredible amount of data we have.

The team will highlight how we are harnessing technology, data, and analytics all while delivering more insights to our clients and prospects in their comments today. And don't forget, we continue to leverage our Gallagher Centers of Excellence. Here we can more quickly embrace digitalization and look for ways to automate various aspects of our business. Needless to say, we see the potential for further margin expansion in both segments during 2024 and beyond. All that said, our biggest competitive advantage is still our bedrock culture. It's an aggressive, sales-oriented, and customer service-focused culture underpinned by doing what's best for clients day in and day out. We have fun doing it, and we have a great place to work. So our value creation strategy is simple and based on four objectives that I've mentioned many, many times before. Number one, we're going to grow organically.

Number 2, we're going to grow through mergers and acquisitions. Number 3, increase our productivity, raise our quality. Number 4, constantly promote our Gallagher special culture. This recipe has produced total shareholder returns as of year-end 2023 of 88%, 228%, and 496% over 3, 5, and 10-year periods, respectively. All of these returns outpace the S&P 500, the XLF, and the S&P Insurance Index. Okay, moving to an overview of the market. A few observations worth highlighting. First, we continue to see renewal premium increases across nearly every line globally. So not much change to the firmest-to-hardest market we've been describing for quite some time. We like this market. It's behaving rationally. Carriers know where they need rate by line and geography, and we're seeing that in our data. Take property, for example.

Even with pricing and exposure adequacy showing some improvements for the carriers, renewal premium increases are at double-digit levels. At the same time, concerns around casualty rate adequacy are getting louder. General Liability, Umbrella, and Commercial Auto year-to-date renewal premium increases are in the high single digits. While changes in the liability can take longer to materialize, we are already seeing higher renewal premium increases within U.S. General Liability versus 2023. In total, primary insurance renewal premium increases so far in the first quarter are up over 7%, and we're feeling there could be a tick up to that over the remainder of the year. That's because of business mix, less workers' comp, and more property in the remaining three quarters, and the potential for renewal premiums in casualty lines to move higher. Second, we're not seeing any indications of meaningful economic slowdown within our data.

Our daily brokerage revenue indications are showing year-over-year growth in the quarter. Additionally, Gallagher Bassett's core workers' compensation and general liability claim counts, which are typically tied to business activity, are growing nicely year-over-year. Third, there continues to be a significant U.S. labor market imbalance, while at the same time, medical cost runs are rising. Employers are focused on overall benefit costs and emphasizing a total reward strategy to help them achieve their human capital goals. So I see demand for our benefits products and services remaining strong. So increasing global renewal premiums, labor market challenges, growing claim counts, and a resilient economic backdrop, combined with a more rapid systemic shift to clients expecting deeper data-driven expertise, all create conditions that should be supportive for excellent revenue growth. As we sit here today, there is no change to our full year 2024 organic outlook.

It's still looking like our brokerage segment organic growth will be between 7% and 9%, and our risk management segment organic between 9% and 11%. That level of organic in both of our core businesses would be fantastic. So let me give you some quick sound bites of what you'll hear from the team today. Mike Pesch will tell you our U.S. and Canadian retail P&C businesses are performing very well. Net new business spread, renewal premium changes, and midterm policy adjustments continue to be up year-over-year. Patrick Gallagher will tell you our international retail and London specialty operations are performing exceedingly well. Here we are expecting another year of strong growth. Then Joel Cavaness will tell you our U.S. wholesale operations are seeing terrific growth as well. Open brokerage renewal premium increases continue to exceed retail, and overall net new business remains excellent.

Tom Gallagher will tell you that our reinsurance unit had a great 1/1 renewal season and is well positioned for April 1 and mid-year renewals. Tom will also dive a bit deeper into our global M&A strategy and outlook. You will hear about our Employee Benefits and HR consulting business from Bill Ziebell. He will tell you new business and retention trends within our core health and benefits business are strong and that we see solid demand for our consulting services. Scott Hudson will tell you our third-party claims administration business, Gallagher Bassett, is well positioned for long-term success with industry-leading tools and technology. The result is superior outcomes and continued growth. Our CFO, Doug Howell, will bring it all together and tell you what we think this means financially for the first quarter and the full year.

I'll stop now and turn it over to Mike Pesch, who is going to discuss our U.S. and Canadian retail P&C brokerage operations. Over to you, Mike.

Mike Pesch
Chairman of Gallagher Global Brokerage Americas, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Thanks, Pat. And good morning, everyone. I'm Mike Pesch, and today I'll be covering our U.S. and Canadian retail property and casualty brokerage business. My prepared remarks this morning will touch on three topics. First, I'll provide an overview of our North America retail P&C brokerage business. Second, I'll discuss current market conditions. And third, I'll give you some early indications of how the first quarter of 2024 is shaping up so far. Starting with an overview of our U.S. retail operations. During 2023, we generated $2.5 billion of revenue, making us the third-largest P&C retail broker in the country according to Business Insurance. Today, we have around 10,000 employees and place more than $18 billion of premium annually.

Within Canada, we are a top five commercial broker, operate in 8 of the 10 provinces, have around 1,200 employees, and generate around $300 million of annual revenue. Our U.S. and Canadian retail businesses are very similar, serving clients of all sizes. We have a terrific array of large risk management clients, yet the vast majority of our clients are in the middle to upper-middle market. One might say our client mix is very representative of the U.S. and Canadian economies. Our middle-market client insurance programs are typically between $100,000-$2.5 million of premium, which translates into roughly $10,000-$250,000 of annual revenue to Gallagher. We also have a meaningful small commercial affinity and personal lines customer base, including high-net-worth clients. We find the middle and upper-middle market particularly attractive, and that's because these clients typically have complex insurance needs yet they don't employ a dedicated risk management professional.

So they rely on our experts to identify and evaluate risk on their behalf and, of course, find the right markets to place their insurance coverage. This is the foundation of our client value proposition called CORE360 . CORE360 focuses on the six key cost drivers of the total cost of risk. This approach resonates with companies looking for risk management and insurance solutions and embeds Gallagher inside our clients' business. Our ability to analyze the key cost drivers is strengthened by our various niche practice groups. We have 30 different product and industry verticals where we have subject matter experts with specialized knowledge and deep insights. Leveraging these practice groups with our proprietary data, we better understand the unique risk characteristics of different businesses and can tailor products to those industries.

These niche leaders work side by side with our producers in the field, making sure we are identifying and addressing the distinct risks that those industries are facing through focused offerings and coverages. We believe this approach to risk management and insurance procurement is a competitive advantage. I would be remiss not to mention our National Risk Control Group. We have more than 300 professionals working with our clients to develop safety protocols and risk management programs while also assisting in claims resolution and advocating on behalf of our clients. Our industry experts, thought leadership, online tools, and web-based industry discussions continue to generate new client leads and revenue opportunities. Through both webinars and our CORE360 Insights series, the team explores a wide range of topics such as DE&I, property risk strategies, and climate resilience.

We are adding valuable content to our website all the time, including our CORE360 Flashcasts . These condensed events cover various industry-related topics such as our Cyber Risk Predictions , Safe Driving Essentials , Promoting a Positive Workplace , and Navigating the Property Insurance Market . Importantly, these learnings can be accessed 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, allowing our clients and prospects to tap into our network of experts at their convenience. And at any time a client or prospect engages with any of the online content, our producers are notified. Moving to technology. On top of many enhancements to Gallagher Drive and SmartMarket, which Patrick will speak to next, we have launched Gallagher Submit , which is our online client renewal platform. Here we are harnessing technology to reduce the friction in the renewal process for clients.

With many of our carrier partners embracing digital engagement, it's making the quote process easier and more efficient. We believe this is having a positive impact on both client retention and new business activity. Sticking on the technology front, we are beginning to harness AI to further streamline the work within our Gallagher Centers of Excellence, including tasks like policy checking and issuing certificates of insurance. We are also redeploying these efficiency gains on the sales side, where our service teams can help gather and check data and provide proposal support for renewals and new business activity. Our efforts over the last two decades to standardize our processes and unify our technologies prepare us better to quickly harness the power of AI. And don't forget, we are competing with someone smaller than us 90% of the time. These local brokers just can't match the value we provide.

Moving on to my second topic, insurance pricing. Not much has changed in the past 8 weeks, and overall, our customers continue to experience renewal premium increases in both the U.S. and Canada. For many of our clients, this is the third or fourth year in a row of increased premiums across most lines of business. Beginning with the U.S., so far in the first quarter, renewal premium changes (now that's both rate and exposure combined) are up about 7%. An important note: while 7% is down a couple points from fourth quarter, a lot of that is due to mix. There's less property business and more Workers' Compensation renewing in the first quarter, and 7% is what we saw last year for the first two months of 2023. Let me give you some flavor by line of business. Property up 11%.

While market commentary tends to focus on hurricane activity, carriers can't ignore there are more than $60 billion of secondary peril cat losses in 2023, mostly related to convective storms. It is rational that carriers continue to tweak their property pricing and exposure management strategies for those risks as well. General Liability is up more than 9%. Umbrella up 9% as well. Workers' compensation is up 2%. Cyber and D&O are seeing single-digit declines, but more and more, we are hearing that we may be reaching a bottom in these two lines. Moving to Canada, renewal premium changes are up about 3%. We are seeing more modest increases in property, while liability lines such as General Liability and Commercial Auto are closer to flat.

To wrap up the market, we continue to see rational carrier behavior underlying a market that continues to ask for premium increases across the U.S. and Canada. Pricing does vary by client experience. Good accounts get some relief in certain lines. However, accounts with poor experience are seeing greater increases. That is a terrific market for us to show our data-driven capabilities. Client by client, we help them get fair pricing for their unique risk profile. And in turn, that helps carriers price their covers to achieve their expected returns on a line-by-line basis. I call that a win-win. We never forget that our job as brokers is to help our clients find appropriate coverage that aligns with their risk tolerances while mitigating price increases to ensure their risk management programs fit their budgets. I believe we have the best team in the industry to do just that.

Finally, I'll conclude with some thoughts on what we are seeing so far in the first quarter. Through the first two months of the year, we are seeing renewal premium increases consistent with last year's first quarter. Net new business spread better than 2023 levels, a slight headwind from less non-recurring business in Canada, and a nice tailwind from midterm policy adjustments, including higher audit premiums and positive policy endorsements. Based on what we're seeing thus far, we think first quarter organic will be somewhere between 7% and 8%. Looking ahead, I'm very bullish about our near and longer-term prospects. Our client-first, sales-driven culture combined with our leading group of niche experts, armed with the data-driven insights, puts us in a position to consistently win.

Okay, I'll stop now and turn it over to Patrick Gallagher, who is going to discuss the remainder of our major property casualty retail operations in addition to London specialty. Patrick?

Patrick Gallagher
Chairman and CEO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Thanks, Mike, and good morning, everyone. This is Patrick Gallagher, and my comments today will focus on our retail P&C units in the U.K., Australia, and New Zealand, in addition to our London specialty business. Similar to Mike, I plan to touch on three topics. First, I'll dimension each of these businesses. Second, I'll discuss the P&C pricing environment, and then I'll finish up with some comments on what we are seeing thus far in 2024. Starting with international retail. Overall, we operate in 60 countries globally and have client capabilities in an additional 70 countries. Mike already covered Canada, so our other larger retail operations are concentrated in the U.K., Australia, and New Zealand.

In total, these geographies combined finished 2023 with more than $1.3 billion in revenue, placing around $8 billion of premium on behalf of clients. Breaking them down further, in the U.K., we are a top five retail broker and generate more than $700 million of annual revenue across 80 offices. In New Zealand, we are either first or second, and in Australia, we are in the top five. Taken together, these two countries generate around $600 million of revenue annually across approximately 70 different locations. Importantly, each of these platforms are leveraging the same tools and techniques we use in the U.S., and they also use our Gallagher Center of Excellence for various portions of their client servicing efforts. In these countries, our retail sweet spot is also middle to upper-middle market clients, similar in size and complexity as our U.S. customers.

We also serve a wide range of large-account business, small enterprises, and high-net-worth personal lines clients. By design, our sales techniques and tools mirror that of the U.S. But equally as exciting are the new learnings and ideas from around the world that come back to the U.S. and help us get better there too. For example, Mike's U.S. small business strategy mimics our approach from Australia and New Zealand. Let me give you some further examples of our cohesive global retail strategy. First, CORE360, which Mike just covered. While we introduced CORE360 eight years ago as our U.S. go-to-market strategy, it is now our global retail value proposition. It's the foundation of our risk management discussions with clients and prospects. Second, our niche practice groups.

Many of these are organized and utilized at the global level, allowing clients all around the world to benefit from our deep industry knowledge and expertise. Examples include energy, real estate, hospitality, and marine. Third, our data and analytics platform, Gallagher Drive, continues to further differentiate us versus the competition. Insights we are able to provide clients include trends of other Gallagher clients around the globe, from what lines of coverage are purchased, limits ultimately bound, as well as potential catastrophe exposure and claims forecasts. Given the success we are having, producer utilization continues to increase. And finally, SmartMarket . Like many of our enterprise-wide tools and platforms, it too was originally developed in the U.S. Today, Smart Market is being utilized by more than 20 non-U.S. markets.

So our unified global retail strategy allows us to develop a product, a process, or a new sales tool, and deliver it uniformly across our global footprint. And don't forget, 90% of the time, we are competing against a small, local, or regional broker. They just can't match the offerings, insights, expertise, or service anywhere around the globe. Now shifting to London Specialty. Our leading franchise has roots dating back to the mid-1970s. Here, we focus on larger commercial clients and also support retail agents and brokers around the world, placing specialty insurance solutions across six main trading divisions: aerospace, marine, financial lines, construction, energy, and property. Our 1,100 colleagues generate more than $600 million of annual revenue and place around $6 billion of premium annually. We have a number of exciting growth initiatives within specialty. Let me provide you with a few examples.

First, we are expanding our niches and specialisms. Here, we are looking to deepen our capabilities, market relationships, and products in areas like mortgage and cyber. Second, we are looking to onboard and develop new talent, colleagues that will add to our expertise across our six specialty trading units, including leveraging our graduate program we call Gallagher Futures. Third, our SmartMarket platform. We have already signed up a number of London specialty markets and believe there will be additional carrier appetite through 2024 and beyond. Ultimately, we believe we will be able to trade with participants more efficiently. Now moving to my comments on the insurance pricing environment. Let me discuss what we are seeing so far in the first two months of the year, starting with retail. In the U.K., renewal premium changes, both rate and exposure combined, are increasing about 9%. Commercial Auto is up 15%.

Property is up 11%. General Liability is up 9%. Professional Indemnity is off mid-single digits. Renewal premiums in Australia are up 8%. Most lines are seeing high single-digit increases, and even D&O is up 4%. New Zealand's renewal premiums are up 17%. Most lines are seeing mid-teens increases, while cyber and professional lines are up 9% and 6%, respectively. Going back to the U.K., our London specialty operations are continuing to see renewal premium increases somewhere in the mid- to high single-digit range across many classes. Property classes, particularly North American cat-exposed property, continue to lead the way from a price perspective while insured values continue to rise. Casualty market increases are more subdued, but underwriters are being cautious on U.S. casualty cat classes. There is an increasing appetite from carriers to write business at what is deemed to be attractive prices, including property.

Nevertheless, there continues to be underwriting discipline. Bottom line, we just aren't seeing much change in the market from late January. Let me finish up with some additional observations from the first quarter thus far. New business production is ahead of last year, and at the same time, revenue retention remains strong across London specialty and our major international retail geographies. Pulling it all together, I see a first quarter organic for our U.K., Australia, and New Zealand retail and our London specialty units in the high single digits. So these businesses continue to perform very well, and we remain excited about 2024 and beyond. Okay, I'll stop now and turn it over to Joel Cavaness, who's going to discuss our domestic wholesale brokerage operations known as Risk Placement Services. Joel?

Joel Cavaness
President of Risk Placement Services, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Thanks, Patrick. Good morning, everyone. I'm Joel Cavaness. My comments today will focus on Risk Placement Services, or RPS for short, which is our U.S. property and casualty wholesale intermediary. Following the same cadence as Mike and Patrick, my prepared remarks will focus on three topics.

First, I'll begin by providing an overview of RPS. Second, I'll give some comments on the market and pricing environment in the wholesale space. And third, I'll wrap up with some observations related to the first two months of the first quarter. RPS was founded in 1997 and has grown both organically and through M&A, and today is the fourth largest wholesale broker in the U.S., placing over $6 billion of premium on behalf of our clients and generating annual revenues of about $700 million. As a wholesale broker, our customers are independent agents and retail brokers that need unique or differentiated products, specialized capabilities, and access to our carrier relationships.

We were established to solve the insurance needs of all retail agents and brokers, and around 75% of our business comes from agents and brokers unrelated to Gallagher. RPS offers solutions to our clients through a couple of main businesses: open brokerage and MGA programs. Let me walk you through each one. Within open brokerage, we support retail brokers with access to specialty products. We find coverages and negotiate with insurance carriers on behalf of the retailer and their client. The types of insurance that we tend to be very specialized in can range from hard-to-place property to complex casualty lines. Placements in open brokerage tend to involve multiple carriers in order to fill out a particular program. Next is our MGA and our program business. Here, we underwrite, price, bind, collect premium, and issue policies on behalf of insurance carriers.

Importantly, we do not take any underwriting risk. We have around 40 programs spanning across both commercial and personal lines coverages. Within commercial, we have programs ranging from food delivery vehicles to coverage for country clubs. Our personal lines programs include insurance coverage for non-standard auto, manufactured homes, and other low-value dwelling. We compete against a wide range of insurance intermediaries, from other wholesalers to MGAs and program managers, but our clients tend to choose RPS because we're easy to do business with, responsive, and have a wide breadth of products and strong carrier relationships. We're constantly engaging with our retail clients and soliciting feedback so that we can further improve our service, grow our product suite, and expand our offerings. We also have a client relations team that provides concierge-level service to our larger, more national retail partners.

Ultimately, our goal is to be the recognized leader in the insurance intermediary market by providing a wide range of products and services across a broad distribution platform. So Mike described the continued challenges within the E&S retail P&C market, and with retailers needing help to place coverage, that is typically a growth tailwind for RPS. So helping our customers quickly and efficiently find products, capacity, and coverage is paramount. In fact, we established our e-commerce platform in 2017 to allow retailers to more efficiently interact with RPS. Today, our retail clients can access more than 30 distinct specialty products through an online interface, and we expect that number to grow over time. We're also leveraging the data on the $6 billion of premium that we place in the market, and we're expanding our client-facing data and analytics platform.

Our size, combined with our infrastructure, allows us to utilize this data to better provide advice to clients and develop new products and programs. It also helps us manage our own business through more timely insights into our own operations. Working across divisions, we have developed and launched two new programs in 2024, one within commercial trucking and another for excess casualty. What's really cool is that both of these programs are utilizing Gallagher Re reinsurance while we're utilizing Gallagher Bassett at handling the claims. It really highlights the power of Gallagher. You also heard Patrick talk about SmartMarket platform, which allows a more efficient matching of carrier supply and customer demand. We have a handful of E&S markets using the platform, and we think that we'll add more carriers over the course of 2024.

So our investments in technology and digital interactions with clients and carriers are positioning us to an even more attractive partner. Moving to the U.S. market environment, the E&S market continues to show strong growth as risks, both personal and commercial, are migrating away from the admitted market. We don't see any signs of that changing, and combined with ongoing exposure growth and rate increases, we expect a high level of premium growth to continue for this foreseeable future. In fact, during the first two months of the first quarter, our data is showing open brokerage renewal premium increases up about 10%. Property renewal premiums are up about 16%, umbrellas up about 10%, and most other lines outside of D&O are up low single digits.

While capacity is available for most commercial risk, our carrier partners are still unwilling to deploy large lines on any one risk, making large and complex insurance towers more difficult to place. Across our homeowners and auto programs, we continue to see double-digit renewal premium increases. Carriers continue to evaluate their exposures to homeowners business in cat-exposed areas, including wind, wildfire, flood, and convective storms. So finding capacity for these risks can be very challenging. Moving to our binding operations, we're seeing 8% renewal premium increases so far in the first quarter. That's at the high end of the 6%-8% renewal premium increases we've been seeing since mid-2022. Overall, we would continue to characterize the wholesale market as difficult. So let me finish with a few more data points from January and February.

First, new business production is up nicely over prior year with client retention similar to last year. Mid-term policy adjustments, including policy endorsements and audits, are also trending better than last year's levels. So bringing it all together, it feels like the first quarter organic for RPS will be between 12%-14%. And in summary, let me continue to help our clients navigate challenging market conditions, and I believe we've never been better positioned. The E&S market is poised for continued growth, and we should capture through our deep and growing portfolio of products, expertise, carrier relationships, and outstanding service, and with our data and analytics that allow us to provide valuable insights to our clients. I believe that we've built the best U.S. wholesale intermediary, and we're in a great position to deliver another excellent year at RPS.

So I'll stop now, and I'm going to turn it over to Tom Gallagher, who's going to discuss our reinsurance operations and our global merger and acquisition strategy in greater detail. Tom?

Tom Gallagher
CEO of Gallagher Global Brokerage, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Thanks, Joel. And good morning to everyone joining us on the call. Since Mike, Patrick, and Joel have already touched on our various PC units around the globe, my comments today will focus on two topics. First, our global reinsurance brokerage operation, Gallagher Re, and second, I'll pivot and discuss our global M&A strategy in more detail. Starting with an overview of reinsurance, Gallagher Re was formed through the combination of our 2013 startup, Capsicum Re, and the purchase of WTW's Treaty Reinsurance business in late 2021. Today, Gallagher Re is the third-largest reinsurance broker in the world. Our nearly 3,000 colleagues operate from around 70 offices across more than 30 countries. The team provides advice, strategy, and placement expertise on a wide range of offerings, including treaty reinsurance, facultative reinsurance, and other risk transfer products to more than 750 underwriting enterprises around the globe.

We finished 2023 with organic growth of 14%, driving full-year revenue to more than $1 billion. Building on our success in 2022 and 2023, I see a lot of exciting opportunities in the reinsurance space. The team is well positioned to grow in 2024 and beyond. Let me provide a few examples. First, we are working on expanding our direct and facultative reinsurance offerings around the globe. Last month, we hired a group of professionals to expand our facultative offerings, and today we have over 35 professionals driving this business forward. Second, we are capitalizing on cross-divisional sales opportunities. We're seeing many new business opportunities, whether through Gallagher Bassett, our retail operations, or our global MGA and program operations. Frankly, the ability to leverage existing Gallagher relationships has been fantastic, particularly across North America. Joel mentioned our new trucking and excess casualty programs in his comments.

And third, we're adding talents and product in emerging areas and geographies. We're targeting additions to our cyber and life capabilities in addition to further expanding our reach in Europe. Next, let me provide some comments on the reinsurance market environment. As we noted on our late January earnings call, 1/1 global reinsurance renewals were orderly and reflected a more balanced supply dynamic. There was strong demand for property cat cover that was met with sufficient capacity from existing reinsurers and cat bonds. Importantly, there wasn't a large influx of capital, and reinsurers continued to exercise discipline on pricing and terms, not giving back the structural changes achieved last year. Within casualty classes, there was also adequate supply. However, most casualty treaties experienced some pricing pressure. Specialty lines programs renewed close to flat with some coverage limitations continuing on war-related products.

There hasn't been much renewal or cat loss activity in February or early March, and our focus has shifted toward the Japan-centric April 1 renewals. The team is hard at work helping our clients navigate a lot of the same dynamics we saw earlier this year. And overall, we expect an orderly 4/1 renewal process with continued strong demand. Within property cat, don't forget, Japan had five consecutive years of price increases. And despite the early 2023 earthquake, underwriting results have been good, so flattest property renewal would indicate the market is behaving rationally. With that said, there will likely be some modest movement in pricing that is reflective of individual buyers' exposure. On the casualty side, Japanese clients with exposure to U.S. casualty business are facing more scrutiny. Prices are likely to still be stable and terms and conditions likely consistent with prior year.

Looking out further to mid-year U.S. property renewals, which are more southeast wind-dominated, the new RMS cat model, RMS v23, is likely to increase model losses for U.S. hurricane exposure. While many insurers and reinsurers develop their own view of risk, at this point, we expect similar results to what we saw at 1/1, increased demand for coverage being met with adequate supply. With that said, it's still too early to make any concrete predictions. So demand for coverage remains strong across the market, even with strong reinsurance underwriting results in 2023 and no significant large loss activity to date here in 2024. There's been limited new capital entering the market, so we are not expecting much change in reinsurance market conditions in 2024. We believe in this environment our team will continue to perform extremely well, and for the first quarter, I see organic somewhere in the low double digits.

That will position us for another fantastic year. Turning to our global M&A strategy. As a reminder, there are upwards of 30,000 independent agencies and brokerage firms in the U.S. alone, according to one leading consulting firm, and perhaps another 30,000 more agencies globally. Most of these are still family-owned and operated. We believe Gallagher is a great home for these entrepreneurial owners looking to grow their businesses, add additional value to their current clients, and help further advance their employees' careers. It's about joining forces, our family and your family, believing we can be better together, and we believe that one plus one can equal three, four, or five. We have proven over 700 x that a merger partner brings us relationships, market insights, creative thinking, and new ideas. We get their brains, their hustle, and that makes us better.

And we bring them industry expertise through our various niche leaders, access to data and analytics from Gallagher Drive, product breadth, retail, wholesale, benefits, alternative markets, and reinsurance, our fantastic carrier relationships, efficient back and middle office through our Gallagher Center of Excellence, and of course, a recognized brand name. Even more and more, a message that merging with Gallagher is your ultimate and final home. You won't have to change your name again. You won't have to be flipped. You won't have to cut back investments or slash your expenses to pay rising debt costs. But what they get immediately is decades of improvement, all at their door the day after we close. That first day allows them to immediately bring more value to their clients and have an exciting story to tell their prospects.

As talked about earlier and often, using the CORE360 approach in the sales process, from how easy it will be to renew your insurance each year through Gallagher Submit, or the ability to compare your insurance program to your peers through Gallagher Drive's Clients Like Me , or how easy it is to get a certificate of insurance that is timely and 99% accurate, and more and more and more that we continue to build. Frankly, client demand for these capabilities is accelerating exponentially. A standalone broker has to make a call, hope that clients don't demand it, spend 20 years building it themselves, or get it overnight by joining us. The first two seems like a big gamble to me. It's why our pipeline is stronger than ever before.

In fact, our M&A deal sheet is showing about $1 billion of revenue from mergers in various early stages of the process. The $1 billion represents nearly 100 tuck-in opportunities across retail, wholesale, benefits, and reinsurance, and in multiple geographies, including the U.S., Canada, Australia, the U.K., and Latin America. As of today, our current pipeline opportunities with signed term sheets and term sheets being prepared is 40 mergers with around $350 million of annualized revenues. While we know that not all of these will close, we believe we will get our fair share. We have a proven M&A machine that has and will deliver excellent results and returns. Okay. I'll turn it over to Bill Ziebell, who's going to discuss our benefits brokerage and HR consulting operations known as Gallagher Benefit Services. Bill?

Bill Ziebell
CEO of Benefits and HR Consulting Division, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Thanks, Tom. And good morning, everyone. I'm Bill Ziebell, and I lead Gallagher Benefit Services, our Employee Benefits and HR Consulting business, or GBS for short. My prepared remarks today will cover three topics. I'll first provide an overview of GBS. I'll then give you an update on the market and our execution strategies. And finally, I'll offer some early observations and takeaways from our first quarter. Okay. So starting with an overview of the business, GBS began in the mid-'70s and was predominantly U.S.-focused through most of its history, but began to expand internationally over a decade ago. We entered the United Kingdom in 2010, Canada two years later, and Australia in 2017. At the same time, we were expanding internationally. We added a multinational consulting business to help employers with operations outside of our core geographies.

Today, we have a significant scale across HR and benefit services focused on emotional, career, and financial well-being that is provided by more than 7,500 of our employees. During 2023, the business generated $1.9 billion of revenue, making GBS the fourth-largest benefits broker and HR consultant in the world. The United States remains our largest geography and represents about 90% of our annual revenues generated from about 70 locations, with the remaining 10% coming from the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia. Our producers sell traditional group insurance products, including medical, disability, life, dental, vision, and various voluntary products that employers offer to their employees. We also advise on employer benefit plan design, financial projections of the plans, and provide potential cost-saving strategies. These products and services combined represent about two-thirds of our annual revenue.

The remaining third of our annual revenue comes from HR and compensation consulting, retirement, executive life, and other similar services that help employers address their human capital and organizational well-being strategies. Most of the time, we are competing against smaller, local, or regional benefit firms, and our typical clients are middle-market businesses, which we define as having somewhere between 100 and 5,000 employees. However, we also serve many larger clients, providing a fresh alternative to some of our well-known competitors, and also have a top-tier small group benefit business. Mike and Patrick talked about the retail P&C client value proposition CORE360. GBS has a comparable client-centric value proposition called Gallagher Better Works. It's the approach our professionals take to explore and examine the most important initiatives and strategies that employers can utilize to attract, engage, and retain talent while simultaneously managing costs.

There are a wide variety of employee rewards and benefits outside of just compensation and medical coverage. For example, employers could be making investments in physical and emotional health or enhancing financial well-being. Importantly, the solutions we recommend can be very bespoke and tailored to align with our clients' needs and ongoing human capital needs. The labor market remains resilient despite the arguably modest uptick in the U.S. unemployment rate during February. Companies continue to compete for a limited pool of talent. The latest U.S. data still shows about 50% more job openings than the number of people unemployed and looking for work. So with the labor market still very tight, developing strategies to retain and attract talent remains very important. Our most recent U.S. organizational well-being report highlighted employee retention ranked as the top priority for operations and HR professionals this year.

That placed total rewards and the employee experience in the spotlight alongside potential compensation changes. GBS is well-positioned to help our clients put together bespoke total reward packages aligned with the client goals of employee retention. In terms of medical cost trends, we are seeing increases of 7%-8% for fully insured plans and stop-loss trends into the teens here in 2024. That's due to a number of factors, from increased costs of hospital and physician services to a greater incidence of high-dollar claims and the impact of cell and gene therapies and specialty medications. Recent price increases reflect these rising costs. As carriers continue to hint at profitability pressures, we believe elevated price increases are likely here to stay for the near to intermediate term. Remember, our job is to help mitigate these increases through program design and various point solutions and services.

There are many HR and benefits issues impacting employers today. Our holistic approach through Gallagher Better Works positions us to help our clients navigate them all. Outside of the typical producer-led meetings, our thematic webinars and thought leadership continue to drive engagement with our customers and prospects. We have found that higher engagement means higher success in winning those clients. Through the end of February, we have already hosted numerous webinars covering topics like pharmacy benefit manager contracting, employee communication strategies, and financial market updates. These interactive, internet-based events are in addition to the thought leadership that we are publishing on a regular basis. These include reports focused on physical and emotional well-being, workforce planning, and the results of our State of the Sector report.

We continue to separate and differentiate ourselves from the competition through regular engagement with our experts, our thought leadership, and web-based discussions. We can also differentiate ourselves by utilizing our in-house compensation, benefits, and retirement cost models to ensure companies are spending appropriately in order to maximize their goals. Many times, it's not about spending more, but rather optimizing their spend. We continue to develop and roll out Gallagher Drive, our data and analytics platform for benefits, leveraging both public and proprietary data. Here, we'll be able to provide clients and prospects insights on their HR and benefits programs, program performance, and ultimately design and deliver bespoke benefit and HR solutions. Adding to Tom's comments on M&A, GBS is an experienced acquirer and focused on finding talented entrepreneurs that fit culturally and looking to grow their business. We completed 5 mergers during 2023, including our largest merger ever.

That's Buck, which we completed April 1st, 2023, so a year ago. That merger is going really well. We are about a year in, and our integration efforts continue to progress well. We are very pleased with client retention, and we continue to be excited about how we have been able to expand our existing client relationships. The team is making nice progress on both our expected revenue and expense synergies and overall remains on track with our plans. On the employee front, the two organizations are coming together very nicely. In fact, employee retention at Buck has improved as part of Gallagher. Additionally, we have identified and recognized the best leaders across the combined organization, including recently elevating a number of Buck's leaders to positions of the benefits business. We are very happy with how the merger has progressed and excited about future growth opportunities.

Shifting to some comments on January and February organic, starting with the U.S., which again represents about 90% of our annual revenues. Recall, about 80% of our annual U.S. revenue is related to typical coverages you get via your paycheck from your employer, like medical, dental, vision, and voluntary insurance products. During the first two months of the year, we saw favorable new business production and stable customer retention and employee counts. Looking ahead, we see the strong labor market continuing and believe more workers entering the labor market and securing employment could be a slight tailwind for future revenue growth. Moving to the remaining 20% of our U.S. revenues, and this includes our fee-for-service, individual products, and retirement consulting businesses, demand for our services and solutions remains very strong due to labor market imbalances, continued cost challenges, and an effort to increase overall employee and organizational well-being.

It's driving employers to engage with our various consulting practices as they prioritize strategies to differentiate themselves versus their competitors, all in an effort to retain, attract, and motivate their workforce. These are really attractive engagements, but the revenue just doesn't occur as smoothly or as predictable as some of our other lines. Most of our practice groups showed nice growth in January and February and remain very encouraged about our pipeline of future opportunities. A quick update on our life business, which was flagged in our January earnings call. Revenues can be a bit lumpy here and depend on a number of factors, including the outlook for interest rates. During the fourth quarter, we were advising our clients to wait for lower interest rates in order to secure better pricing.

Here in early 2024, we did see about half of our delayed activity come through in the first two months of the quarter. The IRS's updated AFR rate, which is used to price some of these products, was recently released and increased by 5 basis points relative to prior months. So we could see clients decide to pull the trigger in the last couple of weeks of March or early April. Either way, it's a great story, and it's really just about the timing. Shifting gears to outside the U.S., which is about 10% of our total revenues, we are seeing very strong growth across all of our platforms in Australia, the U.K., and Canada. So when I combine what we are seeing across our global business, first quarter organic is running about 6%-7%.

Looking ahead, I believe our value proposition through Gallagher Better Works positions us for continued growth. Our experts have the tools, capabilities, insights, and products to help clients navigate their most pressing organizational well-being and human capital needs. I'm very excited about our future. Okay. I'll stop now and turn over to Scott Hudson, who's going to discuss our risk management segment known as Gallagher Bassett. Scott?

Scott Hudson
President and CEO of Bassett Services, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Thanks, Bill. And good morning, everyone. I'm Scott Hudson, and I lead Gallagher Bassett, our third-party claims administration business. For those of you that are familiar with our financial reporting segments, it's our risk management segment. Today, I'll cover three topics. First, I'll provide an overview of Gallagher Bassett, or GB for short. Then I'll give some insights into what we're seeing thus far in 2024. And I'll finish with a few comments on our long-term positioning. GB was formed in 1962 by the Gallagher Brothers and Sterling Bassett, and has grown mostly organically and to a limited extent through M&A. During 2023, GB generated $1.3 billion of revenue, and today is one of the largest P&C third-party claims administrators. About 85% of our revenue is in the U.S., with the remaining 15% spread across Australia and to a lesser extent the U.K., Canada, and New Zealand.

We have nearly 10,000 employees, with the majority of the group working from home. Importantly, GB does not take underwriting risk but rather adjusts claims on behalf of our clients. In 2023, we closed 1.1 million claims and paid out about $15 billion on behalf of our clients. That level of annual claims paid would make us one of the 10 largest P&C insurance companies in the U.S. More than 60% of our claims servicing revenue is from workers' compensation claims, another 30% or so from liability claims, and less than 10% relates to property. Within the property space, we focus on specialty or complex claims and are not interested in being storm or catastrophe loss adjusters. We also have many specialty products offerings for lines such as medical malpractice, professional liability, environmental, products liability, and cyber, to name just a few of them.

So we're able to provide claims services for the majority of our clients' exposures. We segment our business by client type, of which there are four. First, we've got large commercial clients. Think of those as Fortune 500-type businesses. These clients have balance sheets that allow them to self-insure or have large deductible programs. They typically assume some portion of their own risk and outsource the claims resolution process to Gallagher Bassett. This is our most mature and largest client segment. Second, our public sector customers, including school districts, municipalities, state entities, and federal governments. For example, we are a provider to the Australian state workers' compensation schemes. Third, we have a group captive or alternative market clients. These insurance entities utilize our services for their claims infrastructure. And finally, our fourth client segment is insurance carriers. These organizations choose to outsource or white-label a portion of their claim handling.

This is one of the fastest-growing portions of our business, with around $250 million of annual revenue across 150 different carriers, both large and small. Customers choose GB because we deliver superior outcomes by leveraging our deep expertise, outstanding service, and solid execution. In certain cases, a superior outcome could mean avoiding a loss altogether or even mitigating a loss. But it also could mean more efficient medical care delivery, faster return to work, or higher employee satisfaction. We customize our services and organize our claim handlers around client and claim type. For example, we simply don't assign a claim handler that is used for slip and falls to large truck losses. Rather, our offerings can be highly customized to align with client expectations of the best outcome. Whether it's brand protection, ensuring customer loyalty, or back to work sooner, we tailor our offerings to provide more value to clients.

The technology we're deploying to achieve the best outcomes in the industry is leading. It supports and complements our claims professionals and also focuses on what matters most to our clients. That includes leveraging our data to guide decision-making during a claims lifecycle, easy access to claim status and financial information, performance benchmarking tools, analytical reports, and easy exchange of information. It's all possible because of our leading RMIS platform, Luminos. We only see it getting better as we continue to introduce more machine learning and AI to improve risk and claim management program performance. We believe that service customization, combined with our size, scale, and superior technology, is very attractive to insurance carriers. About 90% of U.S. insurance claims are still handled by carriers today. There remains a large potential market for our services. Many carriers are facing aging claims systems and recruitment challenges.

Outsourcing a portion of their claims handling can help them alleviate these challenges. In addition to managing claims for ongoing businesses, we have runoff claim capabilities that can help carriers eliminate claims infrastructure that is no longer needed to support new or renewal policies. Our runoff services allow carriers to move a large group of legacy claims to our platform, which can result in better outcomes and reduced expenses. Another service we provide is our construction industry offering that includes integrated services across the full cycle of loss. We provide loss prevention strategies, safety training, and awareness programs that are unique to the construction sector. Additionally, we offer on-site monitoring and advice from safety professionals in real time, which is in addition to the more typical claims response and resolution that GB can deliver.

We continue to see interest from prospects and are planning on expanding into a few additional targeted industry verticals over time. Moving to mergers and acquisitions, although GB is already a preferred provider with superior technology, vast product offerings, and substantial geographic reach, we see M&A as a tool to expand our offerings and expertise. With that said, the opportunity set of potential merger opportunities is narrower than on the brokerage side as the TPA industry is more consolidated. A great example of expanding our offerings and expertise is our December merger with My Plan Manager in Australia, or MPMG for short. MPMG is the leading provider of claim and administration support services to participants in Australia's National Disability Insurance Scheme. It adds to the significant work we do throughout Australia, particularly in the state workers' compensation schemes.

Ultimately, we believe this merger enhances our capabilities and provides opportunities for growth. Moving to some comments on the first quarter of 2024, let me provide you some data points on what we're seeing through February. First, new business. Our pipeline remains very full across all geographies and client segments. Regardless of client type, our prospects are responding to various cost pressures, and today's superior claim outcomes are even more important. So the new business momentum we were seeing through 2022 and 2023 continues today. Second, client retention. It remains fantastic, and frankly, we just don't lose much business. We believe this is a reflection of the value we provide customers through our broad offerings, customized service, and industry-leading tools. Third, new claims are rising.

So far this year, through February, we are seeing higher claim counts across workers' compensation and liability, while property is down a bit from last year's levels. As a soundbite, when we interact with our customers, they're not forecasting an impending economic slowdown. That's good insight from our clients for our future growth prospects. Pulling it all together, we're expecting first quarter organic around 13% and Adjusted EBITDA margins of 20%. For the full year, we still believe organic will fall in the 9%-11% range as we lap some of our larger new business wins, with full margins of approximately 20% or greater. That would be another fantastic year.

As I look ahead, the business should continue to benefit from our investments in new claims professionals, tools, and technologies that enhance or further improve the claims experience, the development of new services including other potential integrated industry solutions, the expansion of our products and offerings, further broadening our specialty insurance capabilities to align our services with new potential customers, our efficient client-centric platform making us the provider of choice, and our compassionate and client service focused culture, which keeps client satisfaction at very high levels. As you can tell, I'm very excited about both our near and longer-term prospects. I'll stop now and turn it over to our CFO, Doug Howell. Doug?

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Thanks, Scott. Hello, everyone. Today, I'll cover four topics. First, I'll recap the organic revenue comments made by each of our leaders and bring it all together for your models. Next, I'll provide some comments on our current thinking on 2024 margins and give you a heads-up comment when I break it down by quarter. Third, I'll give you some soundbites from our updated CFO commentary document that we post on our website. Then I'll wrap it up with some comments on cash, M&A, and capital management. Oh, so let's go to the business unit organic revenue recap. Mike, Patrick, Joel, and Tom had positive commentary on our global P&C and reinsurance brokerage operations. We continue to see excellent new business production, strong retention, and a tailwind from overall market conditions, both rate and exposure.

When I combine their comments, primary insurance renewal premium increases are in line with what we were seeing last year first quarter. Those increases are down a bit from fourth quarter, but that's mostly because each quarter has a different line of business mix and client mix too. Underneath the headline, we're seeing property renewal premium increases, still very high, and the rate of increase is moderating only slightly. General liability increases are now stepping higher, and it's looking more and more that meaningful casualty increases may be around the corner. So right now, it feels like our global P&C units combined might post first quarter organic somewhere in the 9% range. Then Bill walked you through our Employee Benefits and HR consulting business.

First quarter is a large quarter due to the volume of January 1st health and welfare renewals, where we're seeing solid underlying growth along with strong growth in our life and retirement practice units. So overall, our benefits organic is expecting to be around 6%-7%. So when I pull it all together, the punchline is we see brokerage segment organic for first quarter above the midpoint of our annual 7%-9% range. So maybe 8%, maybe 8.5%. As for full year, we're still expecting headline organic to be in that 7%-9% range. So no change from our previous view. And just to be clear, these organic growth percentages exclude interest income.

So moving back to our risk management segment, you just heard Scott say first quarter organic is shaping up around 13% due to excellent retention, roll-in of 2023 larger client wins, and higher claim volumes. For full year, we're expecting organic in that 9%-11% range. That does vary from first quarter simply because we're lapping those 2023 larger account wins. We post that. It's another terrific step up after nearly 16% organic in 2023. So now let me shift to our brokerage segment Adjusted EBITDA margins. Recall during our January earnings call, we thought in, say, an 8% full year organic growth environment, we could expand full year margins by 60 basis points. As we sit here today, that still seems about right.

We also gave you a heads-up that first quarter expansion would be adversely impacted around 90 basis points by the roll-in of M&A, both from tuck-in M&A that isn't as seasonal as we are and the last quarter of the roll-in of Buck that we've been discussing for over a year. So let me update that heads-up today. We think that the adverse impact of M&A roll-in will be around 95 basis points here in the first quarter. And we are also seeing about 15 basis points of headwind based on current FX rates. So when I pull that together, we see margins being backwards about 50-60 basis points in the first quarter. Then that flips to a positive 100 basis points in the second, third, and fourth quarters, which then gets you back to that 60 basis points of expansion for full year 2024.

So really, no new news when it comes to margin from what we've discussed in our January earnings call. But it's worth highlighting again, so when we report results in a month or so, you're not surprised. As for risk management segment margins, you heard Scott say that we are expecting to deliver a margin of 20% for the first quarter and around that level for full year. Let me shift now to the CFO commentary document, starting on page three. This shows you the usual brokerage and risk management segment modeling helpers. Relative to January, not a lot new here on this page other than maybe some more detailed margin comments that I just covered a second ago. So flip now to page four in the corporate segment outlook, two callouts here. First, we updated our quarterly interest expense for our February debt offering.

And second, we made a small tweak to acquisition costs in the quarter. Turning to page 5, this page shows our tax credit carryforwards. The punchline remains the same. Over the next few years, we will generate a nice cash flow sweetener as we utilize our tax credit balances. That was around $870 million at December 31st, 2023. And don't forget, that benefit will show up in our cash flow statement rather than our P&L. So let's move now to the top of page 6. In January, we added this table to help you better model investment income. As a reminder, that financial statement line has a few components. First, it has premium finance revenues, which remember have associated operating expenses and runs a margin similar to the overall brokerage business. It has a small amount from a few equity investments in third-party brokers.

It also has gains on divestitures, which we always adjust out. And last, it includes the interest income that we receive on client and free cash balances. That's the number most of you are really looking to model. We've expanded this table today, recognizing it's a little difficult to forecast this on a quarterly basis. It's not as simple as just looking at run rates or growth year-over-year. It can be significantly impacted by things like seasonality, changes in cash we hold on behalf of our clients, changes in our own free cash flow balances, the timing of M&A, timing of bonuses, timing of borrowings, etc., and of course, the rates we are expecting to earn on those balances. So clearly, not an easy number to model. So we've added some forward-looking quarterly estimates that might help you do just that.

Please make sure you read the footnotes to that table too, where we discuss our assumptions on interest rates and interest rates. Moving down on page 6 to M&A rollover revenues, you'll see that we're expecting $224 million of rollover revenue within our brokerage segment in the first quarter and about $15 million within risk management. That shouldn't change much given we're just 10 days away from closing the quarter. So let me finish up with my typical comments on cash, debt, and M&A. At the end of February, available cash on hand was over $900 million, reflecting our February debt rate. Our current cash position, combined with strong expected free cash flows for the rest of the year, positions us well for our pipeline of M&A opportunities. In total, we continue to estimate about $3.5 billion to fund potential M&A opportunities here in 2024.

Those are my prepared comments. Nearly a quarter into the year, we're in excellent shape. Our full year 2024 organic and margin outlook is unchanged, and we remain just as bullish as we were a few weeks ago during our January earnings call. I'm done with my comments. Operator, we're ready to move to Q&A.

Operator

Thank you. The call is now open for questions. If you have a question, please pick up your handset and press star one on your telephone at this time. If you are on speakerphone, please disable that function prior to pressing star one to ensure optimum sound quality. You may remove yourself from the queue at any point by pressing star two. Again, that's star one for questions. Our first questions come from the line of Elyse Greenspan with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your questions.

Elyse Greenspan
Managing Director, Equity Research - Insurance, Wells Fargo

Hi. Thanks. Good morning. My first question, I guess, goes back. I'm trying to tie some of what you said on the Q4 and today. I guess you had on the Q4; I thought you had highlighted some of the timing with the benefits organic and also perhaps a little bit of a shortfall, I thought, maybe in Canada, just some business that you expected. And I thought maybe that could have come in the Q1 as well. So can you help me tie, I guess, what you saw in the Q1 relative to what kind of move from the fourth quarter and what, I guess, we could expect to come in over the balance of the year?

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

All right. So let me take Canada. I would say Canada, there's nothing changed from our fourth quarter. I mean, they are seeing some rate differences there, but that operation continues to grow in the low single digits. When it comes to the life business, yeah, that's lumpy. We have that every quarter. Interestingly, there's the new AFR Rate that is being announced that actually could make more demand for these products return. So as that rate changes, we think we could have some nice opportunities there. We haven't assumed much of that for what we're getting in the first quarter, that AFR Rate is just now being announced. We could have some pickup here in the last 10 days of March, but that could slip into April. But our comments are not assuming a ton of that business in the first quarter.

Elyse Greenspan
Managing Director, Equity Research - Insurance, Wells Fargo

Okay. And then, Doug, you said you think meaningful casualty rate increases are around the corner. Can you expand on that, I guess, what you mean by around the corner, how soon we might see that, and then just the magnitude of some of the rate increases you're thinking in the word meaningful?

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Sure. I think meaningful could be pushing 10% or.

Elyse Greenspan
Managing Director, Equity Research - Insurance, Wells Fargo

You would think that that would start, I guess, pretty immediately?

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

No, it actually takes a little longer. I think that it takes longer for those historical reserves to develop. We're just hearing constant chatter from the carriers that they're concerned about casualty rates. And you heard it in some of our earlier comments from the business unit leaders. So are we talking about 20%-30%? No. We're talking about a measured, rational step up in rate, perhaps over a longer term than just a knee-jerk reaction in one period. But you could see these in upper single digits pushing 10% somewhere, maybe over the next year or two, something like that. And then we'll see where things sit. It's not like property where you get a pretty good idea if you got walloped the year before.

Elyse Greenspan
Managing Director, Equity Research - Insurance, Wells Fargo

And then one last one on the investment income guide. So you gave some guidance today that is implying a little bit of an uplift, 2024 versus 2023. Is that uplift in fiduciary investment income expected to fall to your margin? And is that factored into your full year margin guide?

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Our margin guide includes what you're seeing on page six. So let me work backwards from that. Does that answer your question?

Elyse Greenspan
Managing Director, Equity Research - Insurance, Wells Fargo

Yes. So it assumes 30 basis points from fiduciary investment income in 2024?

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Well, I'd have to do the math from page six, to be honest. I'd look at that in a second. So maybe it's 20 basis points, something like that.

Elyse Greenspan
Managing Director, Equity Research - Insurance, Wells Fargo

Okay. Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of David Motemaden with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your questions.

David Motemaden
Senior Equity Research Analyst of Insurance and Business Services, Evercore ISI

Hey. Thanks. Good morning. I just had a question, and I think this was mentioned earlier as well, just on the life insurance business. I think there was $5 million that came back, but there were also a few other elements that hit the fourth quarter. I think the entertainment practice saw some slowdown. So I'm wondering if you're seeing those starting to come back here in 2024 and how much of that is reflected in the first quarter organic growth.

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

So I said earlier that the life business, we're not assuming a big comeback in the life business here in the first quarter. Maybe, Mike, you want to talk about anything you're seeing in other areas, the entertainment practice, other businesses?

Mike Pesch
Chairman of Gallagher Global Brokerage Americas, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Yeah. I mean, the entertainment practice for us is an important business, and it did rebound considerably because of the strike ending in the fourth quarter. So we are seeing, obviously, more content being put out, more projects being worked on. So we are seeing a lift in that. But just to level set, overall, that business, while it's significant and important to us, isn't going to drastically change our results, but it will be a positive, certainly, specifically for the Southwest where most of that business is placed. And we do insure a significant share of that business and have a great market share overall. Got it. That's helpful. Thanks. And then just my follow-up on the margin expansion. So totally understand the 50-60 basis points outlook for the first quarter.

David Motemaden
Senior Equity Research Analyst of Insurance and Business Services, Evercore ISI

And then I guess I'm just wondering on the roughly 100 basis points in the remaining quarters. That's above the 50-60 basis points of underlying margin expansion you called out. Could you just talk about the drivers of what's driving the upside to bridge the gap between the 50-60 to the 100 over the 2Q through 4Q?

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Right. So great question. So let's just make sure that we reiterate. We've got the headwind in the first quarter, and then we see some nice tickup in the second, third, and fourth as we roll past the rolling impact of Buck and other M&A. When we look at the full year of 60 basis points on 8% interest, and that's just 8% organic, we see that I'm just picking that number as a hypothetical, but Buck would have a full year impact of 10% or 15% on that 60 basis point. The other thing is rolling of M&A that might not have other M&A that might not have margins as high as us might cost us 25 basis points. So how do I feel about an 8% hypothetical organic environment that's really kind of delivering somewhere in that 75-90 points of margin expansion?

That's a darn good outlook for an organic year that's in that hypothetical 8% range. So if you start with that position first, let's look at the full year. Why on a quarterly basis? There's a couple of things that happen in the first quarter. First of all, we give a lot of our raises away in the second half of the year. So that's hitting our first quarter this year probably a little bit more than it has in the past. So that probably costs us about 30 basis points. So when you get to that 50-60 underlying, maybe with the raises coming in, you get more up towards that 90 basis points. This is pretty close to the 100 basis points in the next three quarters. Does that help you kind of bridge your thought on that?

David Motemaden
Senior Equity Research Analyst of Insurance and Business Services, Evercore ISI

Yep. No, that makes sense. Understood. Thank you.

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Sure.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question has come from the line of Mike Zaremski with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions.

Mike Zaremski
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

Hey. Good morning. Thanks for always doing this investor day. It's helpful. Going back to some of the commentary on casualty, especially the comments about pricing could get up towards 10% or so potentially, is there a way or are you seeing anything bifurcate between the kind of large employer marketplace, given Gallagher has an increasing market share there versus kind of the small, medium-sized part of the marketplace? Because some of the pricing gauges on the large account marketplace that one of your competitors puts out and some of the carriers that operate there have kind of been showing rate increases that have been lower than the small, medium account marketplace.

Joel Cavaness
President of Risk Placement Services, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Yeah. This is Joel Cavaness. So I guess it depends on what your definition of small is, of course, but I think it's generally fairly categorical. Now, of course, there are times that someone might not see it, and there are times when someone would see significantly more. But I think what you're seeing between the losses that are occurring in the court systems, of course, social inflation, of course, third-party litigation funding, it's a concern if people are reacting through lower limits deployed and categorical price increases. You're seeing a lot of nervousness in the insurance carrier marketplace about what's going on with current reserves.

Mike Pesch
Chairman of Gallagher Global Brokerage Americas, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Yeah. Mike, this is Mike Pesch. I would just say when you in our comments, we talked about difficult risks, maybe still having a big challenge, and maybe risks that are more benign, having a more stable environment. I think that is very true throughout both small, middle, and large accounts. When you look at large accounts, they tend to buy higher limits. And if it's a large account that also has a risky part of their business that we're trying to build a tower for, you're not seeing a ton of capacity flow into that, and you are seeing a rate increase in those layers because of the riskiness of the underlying account. So again, I would say it's a rational market, but that's sort of the first step towards overall increase.

When you start seeing the risky accounts get those increases, that does tend to bleed over into some of the more benign businesses based on what Joel just said relative to social inflation and some of the other perils that underwriters are considering.

Mike Zaremski
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

Got it. That's helpful, Caller. Maybe my follow-ups on the wholesale commentary, and it was good to hear that you guys are utilizing Gallagher Re more so now. But just curious, there's been on-and-off chatter about property maybe eventually coming out of the wholesale marketplace, maybe just depending on weather. But it also sounds like there could be more inflows on the casualty side given what you guys just talked about. Is that a decent characterization of how to maybe think about some of the major puts and takes as the year progresses in terms of the wholesale kind of growth environment?

Joel Cavaness
President of Risk Placement Services, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Yeah. So one of the indicators that we look at every single week, seven days over seven days, seven days over seven days of last year, blah, blah, blah, our submission activity is up significantly. So we're not, and our renewal retention is actually very good. So I think kind of if you look at the need or the demand, the demand continues to be up. So we're not seeing a retrenchment or anybody moving back to the admitted market. The submission activity is very, very strong.

Mike Zaremski
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

And lastly, sticking to wholesale, do you know as clients might I think you might have said that you're moving some of the SmartMarket expertise into wholesale, and then you're launching some programs. Is it fair to characterize those initiatives as being a slightly higher margin than traditional wholesale? Thanks.

Joel Cavaness
President of Risk Placement Services, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Yeah. I think when you look at it, like we evidenced with the two newest programs, from an overall perspective, when you're putting the program together and you're using Gallagher Re to replace the reinsurance very effectively, and then you're using Gallagher Bassett to handle the claims, that you kind of come to your own conclusion that those are very nice wins for us over the entire company.

Mike Zaremski
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, BMO Capital Markets

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Our next questions come from the line of Mark Hughes with Truist Securities. Please proceed with your questions.

Mark Hughes
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Yeah. Thank you. Good morning. You all have mentioned that the D&O may be bottoming. I wonder whether you're starting to see a little more deal activity and maybe M&A could be picking up, and that could lead to more demand for D&O or other related coverages. How are you seeing that?

Mike Pesch
Chairman of Gallagher Global Brokerage Americas, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Yeah. Mark, this is Mike Pesch. My comments were we were still seeing slight declines, but the more we meet with some of our key trading partners in the financial lines, D&O marketplace, we're hearing that may be coming to an end, that they've reached the bottom of their trough in terms of what they feel comfortable with relative to the risks that they're underwriting. To your second point, are we seeing more M&A activity or things of that nature where we would have one-timers, reps and warranties ? Not quite yet, but I would tell you that there's a lot of money out there, and there's a lot of businesses, especially in the private equity space, that we do anticipate there being a bit more movement on, which we would benefit from in those one-time placements.

It's probably more towards the middle of this year as we start to look out both on the rate standpoint and on the activity standpoint.

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Yeah. Mark, our data is showing that if you look at maybe a year ago right now, that if that was the bottom last year, our overnights are showing us that we've, let's say, it was down 10% last year overall. This year, we're seeing it down 6%, something like that. So yeah, it does look like it's hit the bottom.

Mark Hughes
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Okay. Then on the reinsurance pricing, I appreciate that you don't have any concrete predictions for June 1, but I wonder if you could give us a concrete prediction. Just it feels like the trend has been a little more downwards. Is there a reason to think that that's mistaken, to think you could see price declines come June 1?

Tom Gallagher
CEO of Gallagher Global Brokerage, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Mark, it's Tom. We really have no comments at this point in time. As we go forward, at this point, the market is behaving very rationally. There is no significant capacity coming into it, but we're just holding it and getting through 4/1 to start with.

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

We're seeing nice demand uptick too in that, though, too. So for us, it's both the pricing, which seems to be rational, and the demand is increasing. So for us, it's valid.

Mark Hughes
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Understood. And then anything on the workers' comp side and looking at some of these industry aggregate loss development numbers, it feels like or it looks like there's a little bit of an uptick in cash payout trends. You don't really hear that from many carriers, but maybe sometimes you do. Given your exposure to that in your carrier conversations and then from the Gallagher Bassett side, I wonder whether you are observing any kind of early concern about what could emerge in workers' comp.

Mike Pesch
Chairman of Gallagher Global Brokerage Americas, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Yeah. Mark, this is Mike Pesch, and then I'll flip it over to Scott. In my comments, I said Workers' Compensation is up 2%, but again, remember that includes exposure. So we are still getting a lift from payrolls being up. Your comment is interesting because most every carrier is talking about Workers' Compensation and the underlying costs eventually catching up with the rating environment. Again, we haven't quite seen it. I would still call it flat-ish from a rate perspective and then, of course, the lift from exposure. But they're all talking about it. And so that tells me that there's probably going to be a shift at some point in time, whether it happens in the next three months, six months, nine months. A little too soon to tell, but I would tell you it's on their minds.

Scott Hudson
President and CEO of Bassett Services, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Hey, Mark. This is Scott. I mean, we're seeing strong increases around just claim activity, more on the frequency side within our existing clients. I wouldn't say we're hearing any major concerns. There is a little bit of the payouts, as you're referring to, as we've been saying here over the last handful of quarters or year, there's upward pressure with inflation a little bit, but nothing. I wouldn't say it's anything different than it has been over the last couple of quarters. Nothing new.

Patrick Gallagher
CEO, International Retail and London Specialty, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Underlying our earlier comments, Mark, this is Pat. We are seeing medical inflation. So Bill talked about that, and we're seeing that demand in our benefits business. Work comp, of course, a big component of that is medical.

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Yeah. It takes a while to.

Mark Hughes
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Understood. Appreciate it.

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Wage increases are also starting to flow through the system too. So as payouts are based on wages and wages are inflating, it would say that there's going to be a need for more rate too.

Mark Hughes
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Appreciate that. Thank you.

Mike Pesch
Chairman of Gallagher Global Brokerage Americas, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Rob Cox with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your questions.

Rob Cox
VP of Equity Research, Goldman Sachs

Hey. Thanks. Maybe my first question on RPS. I think the comments were for 10% RPC in the quarter in open brokerage and 8% RPC in programs and binding. But I think the total organic growth was 12%-14%. So if that's right, I think that's stronger organic than you had in 2023. And it's also a much wider gap between organic and RPC. So just curious what's driving that.

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Right. A lot of new business. Yes. And to answer your question, yes, it was better than in 2023, this first 2 months. But we're seeing, as I said in my earlier comments, seeing strong submission flow. Strong submission flow, obviously, equates back to additional revenues, more wins. And I just think overall, the business is very healthy. And so we'll continue. Our outlook is pretty good.

Patrick Gallagher
Chairman and CEO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

I'd hit that earlier question on are we seeing flow back to the primary carriers? Not yet.

Rob Cox
VP of Equity Research, Goldman Sachs

Got it. That's helpful. Thank you. And maybe just another question. High net worth was mentioned in your prepared remarks in retail, and you also seemed to touch on personal lines, E&S, maybe more than you guys have previously. I was wondering if you could help size either of those businesses for Gallagher and maybe comment on the trend you're seeing, particularly in regards to growth in the homeowners' business and any of that homeowners' business moving to the E&S market.

Mike Pesch
Chairman of Gallagher Global Brokerage Americas, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Yeah. Rob, this is Mike Pesch. I'll talk first about the high net worth practice. So you saw that we announced an acquisition in the fourth quarter of Ericson, which is a really prominent high net worth broker in the Northeast. And we're really excited to have them on the team that complements the strategy that we've been embarking on for the last probably three to four years, which is to find best in class because we do think that that is an important business, not only for the sake of just cross-selling with many of our medium to large commercial accounts and the C-suite within there that may fit that appetite, but also to have the value proposition associated with it. So to give you some scale, it's between a $90 million-$100 million business for us, but growing rapidly.

The second part of that challenge is, of course - and then I'll flip it over to Joel - is finding capacity. So a lot of those clientele have very big houses and other assets that are becoming more and more challenging because they're in places where the wind blows or the earth shakes. And so it is a big challenge for us that we're currently working hand in glove with RPS to create some solutions for as we continue to build out that practice.

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Yeah. So Rob, we've seen a significant inflow of requests for E&S coverage for homeowners, both traditional homeowners as well as high net worth. High net worth, as Mike indicated, is a challenge because they're typically in places where the wind does blow. We do have weather-related, but it really goes beyond that. The convective storm issues that we've had over the last few years in areas like Texas and other spots have really given you've seen some of the high writers of homeowners' business, and the losses are just very difficult. And then you put on top of that the difficulty with getting rate or changing forms in the admitted market, and that's caused significant inflow into the E&S business. Obviously, California is an issue. Louisiana, Florida, big issues. It's really crept into the concentration that you have in the Northeast.

You've seen a big uptick in submissions, heightened interest, and need for the E&S markets to step in for homeowners.

Scott Hudson
President and CEO of Bassett Services, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Yeah. Rob, one data point. Our personal lines business was up 4.3% in fourth quarter 2021, 7% in fourth quarter 2022, 13% in fourth quarter 2023. So you're seeing that increase. And again, that's premium change. So there is some exposure unit change in there, but you can see the trend line on that.

Rob Cox
VP of Equity Research, Goldman Sachs

Yeah. That's great color. Thanks. And maybe just one last one. You guys touched on it a little bit in the prepared remarks, and you guys have obviously had an Australia business for quite a while. Just curious what makes Australia an attractive market and how you would compare it to the U.S. It seems like it might be pretty similar, but any comments there?

Tom Gallagher
CEO of Gallagher Global Brokerage, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

I'll pick that, Rob. This is Tom. Australia is a place we've been in now for a decade. During that period of time, we've had the opportunity to take our business, create a Gallagher enterprise down there, drive organic growth, bring our products out there, do M&A. They do model themselves between the U.K. and the U.S. pretty effectively. Insurance as a purchase is pretty routine in terms of GDP. It's very similar to the U.S. and the U.K. So it's a great market for us. There are still hundreds and hundreds of independent agents around the country that we have gotten to know over the last decade with an opportunity to look at select acquisitions as we've done virtually every year. The business runs a margin that is far superior to what it was when we acquired it.

We're incredibly excited about the leadership team and the direction of travel.

Rob Cox
VP of Equity Research, Goldman Sachs

Awesome. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Meyer Shields with KBW. Please proceed with your question.

Meyer Shields
Managing Director, KBW

Great. Thanks. Good morning. A couple of mechanical questions, I guess. Doug, if I can start with the slide on premium financing, what explains the seasonality of the, I guess, revenues on that line?

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Well, a lot of that line is coming from Australia and New Zealand businesses that will have renewal dates. And there's many more annual pay in Australia and New Zealand. So you'll see they'll be skewed towards the June renewals where we'll have higher premium finance receivable balances. Remember, their year down there is June 30 year-end. So you will see some quarterly fluctuations based on that Australia-New Zealand business there. And then we do have some equity interest in earnings of subsidiaries that are skewed a little bit to the fourth quarter. So those two pieces will explain that dynamic.

Meyer Shields
Managing Director, KBW

Okay. Fantastic. Early on, there was commentary describing the strong analytics that Gallagher has developed. How do you ensure that you get paid for that when you're collecting commissions rather than fees?

Mike Pesch
Chairman of Gallagher Global Brokerage Americas, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

So let me, Meyer, this is Mike Pesch. Let me.

Patrick Gallagher
Chairman and CEO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Let me interrupt, Mike. We write a boatload of new business, Meyer. We go into 90% of the time, we compete with somebody substantially smaller than us. People look and go, "Oh gosh, you compete with Marsh and Aon all the time." And we do compete with them. But 90+% , they don't have the capability. We walk in, we show them Drive. Like, "You buy this." This is the kind of losses we see in these layers in your type of business. Now, let's go to the Jones agency down the street and see what they had to say. Well, they've got a good deal for you because they quoted the thing with Hartford, and you used to be with Travelers. That's their data. So we kick ass.

Mike Pesch
Chairman of Gallagher Global Brokerage Americas, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Meyer, and I totally agree with Pat's comments. We're questioning more so around whether or not we are charging our customers for the access to that data, if that's what I thought I heard you may have said.

Meyer Shields
Managing Director, KBW

Yeah. I'd never had questions on the new business generation.

Mike Pesch
Chairman of Gallagher Global Brokerage Americas, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Yeah. So the information within Drive is there for our producers, exactly what Pat described. So when they're out winning new business or communicating with an existing customer, they use that data to both better understand the marketplace but also to help that client predict what risk and how much risk they should assume. And so we don't charge our customers for access to that kind of information. It helps fuel our new business. It helps fuel our retention. And that's exactly how we utilize it. We're also rolling out many other digital tools. I mentioned Gallagher Submit in my commentary. We don't charge for Gallagher Submit. There's an efficiency created, again, benefit to the client. If they're competing with the Jones agency who doesn't have a digital platform, that's a big opportunity for us.

We've just launched a thing called Gallagher Go, which is a digital interaction for every client to be able to actually tap into all of the things that we are providing for them, their policies, premiums are due, all of that sort of stuff, similar to a banking environment that you may have with your local bank. That digital interaction, we've proven now, increases our retention and increases our win rate. Clients want it.

Meyer Shields
Managing Director, KBW

Okay. Perfect. And if I can throw in one last question real quick and this is, I guess, Allstate came out with low-capacity numbers for February. How should we think about contingent commissions and their sensitivity to either better or worse weather, better or worse reserve development?

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Meyer, you were very choppy on that. Can you just repeat your question? There's some background noise.

Meyer Shields
Managing Director, KBW

Yeah. Sorry. Am I coming through okay?

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Yeah. Now you are. Yeah. Thanks.

Meyer Shields
Managing Director, KBW

Yeah. I just wanted to get a better understanding of the sensitivity of contingent commissions to either better or worse weather or better or worse reserve development in the underwriting industry.

Doug Howell
CFO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Well, listen, I think that contingents and supplementals are a reflection of the underlying book of businesses. They're direct sensitivity. I don't think we have that many contingent programs that are maybe exposed more to fire than to wind. I don't think we have a lot of contingents that are based on wind on that. So you could have some fire contingent. You could have maybe some convective storms, but it's not as sensitive as you might think to what I call peril risk.

Meyer Shields
Managing Director, KBW

Okay. Perfect. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. Our last questions will come from the line of Cave Montazeri with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your questions.

Cave Montazeri
Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thank you. And good morning. My question is on property cat reinsurance terms and conditions. Reinsurance raised attachment points last year because they wanted less exposure to attritional losses. Attachment points seem to have remained high this year as well. Do you think there's a structural change in the type of risk that reinsurance are willing to take, or do you think attachment points are likely to come back down next year?

Patrick Gallagher
CEO, International Retail and London Specialty, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

It's too early to tell. But I'll tell you what, the market's behaving very rationally. The carriers have been on the short end of the stick for a long time, and they're looking to recoup some of the losses that they've had.

Cave Montazeri
Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Makes sense. And my second question is also on prop cat reinsurance. There's plenty of reinsurance capital available at higher attachment points, but a lot of the demand seems to be at lower attachment points. I'm just curious how you guys, as a reinsurance broker, were able to help your clients to get coverage at lower attachment points.

Patrick Gallagher
CEO, International Retail and London Specialty, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Great question. We deal with that every single day. It's our job to try and help our carriers work through this process because the retentions are not coming down yet.

Cave Montazeri
Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thank you.

Patrick Gallagher
Chairman and CEO, Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.

Okay. I think that's it. So let me just give you a few comments here as we close up. From my vantage point as a CEO, I believe we're executing extremely well on our strategic priorities. We have the most talented team in the industry, access to products and solutions, fantastic client service, and great carrier relationships. I believe we have all the ingredients, regardless of market environment, to continue our excellent financial performance. We look forward to speaking with you again during our first quarter earnings call at the end of April. Thanks for being with us this morning. We appreciate your time and your questions, and we'll see you in April.

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Enjoy the rest of your day.

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