Earnings Call: Q4 2018

Feb 22, 2019

Greetings, and welcome to the American Homes 4 Rent 4th Quarter and Full Year 2018 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Stephanie Heim. Please go ahead. Good morning. Thank you for joining us for our Q4 2018 earnings conference call. I'm here today with Dave Singleton, Chief Executive Officer Jeff Corrigan, Chief Operating Officer and Chris Lau, Chief Financial Officer of American Homes 4 Rent. At the outset, I need to advise you that this call may include forward looking statements. All statements other than statements of historical fact included in this conference call Are forward looking statements that are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in those statements. These risks and other factors that could adversely affect our business and future results are described in our press releases and in our filings with the SEC. All forward looking statements speak only as of today, February 22, 2019. We assume no obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. A reconciliation to GAAP of the non GAAP financial measures we are providing on this call Is included in our earnings press release. As a note, our operating and financial results, including GAAP and non GAAP measures, are fully detailed in our earnings release and supplemental information package. You can find these documents as well as SEC reports and the audio webcast replay of this conference call on our website at www.americanhomes4rent.com. With that, I will turn the call over to our CEO, David Singleton. Thank you, Stephanie. Good morning, and welcome to our Q4 2018 earnings conference call. We started this business more than 7 years ago with the goal of building the premier national operating platform for the single family rental business. At the time, we saw a unique combination of factors to accretively grow a national portfolio, institute operational best practices and deliver quality housing to our residents. Today, while much has changed, our focus remains consistent with our outlook remaining positive. Global uncertainties are a concern for many sectors, but for our business, the demand drivers remain strong and supportive. The overall economy is healthy with underlying job growth within our markets increasing about 1 third faster than the national average. Additionally, housing demand continues to outpace new supply in most markets and renting remains the preferred housing option for many families. Within the supportive macro environment, we continue to refine and improve our world class operating platform based on 4 cornerstones: operational excellence, consistent and accretive growth, financial flexibility and superior customer service. Let me touch on each of these cornerstones, which continue to be the principles on which we operate. First, regarding our ongoing optimization of Homes 4 Rent operating platform. Today our platform is the most efficient in the industry, providing the best service at the lowest cost, but not just due to economies of scale. We have designed and implemented management and operational best practices To standardize processes and maximize efficiencies, we have trained a best in class team and created a culture of innovation and success. We have invested in technology that fundamentally changes the way we do business from marketing and leasing to resident interaction, to maintenance and to capital investment. Most importantly, we're not sitting still, but engage constantly in the refinements and enhancements as we learn from our experiences in real time. Similar to prior efforts, Including let yourself in technology, internalizing the field management process and handling maintenance requests with our own personnel, these functions have The impact of improving efficiencies and customer service. Today, as asset managers with a long term view, we continue to expand our preventative maintenance programs. While this results in higher maintenance and capital expenditures today, it reduces maintenance related expenditures over the long term Compared to a program without a robust preventative maintenance program, while also improving resident satisfaction. Jack will elaborate more on this in a few moments. 2nd, we will continue to grow and strengthen our portfolio through accretive investment and Prudent Asset Management. Since our formation, we have grown through a variety of channels, taking advantage of the best market opportunities available at the time. REO and market listings, auctions, portfolio acquisitions and mergers. More recently, we have focused our capital on our national builder and in development programs as we believe these homes are the best risk adjusted investment opportunity, while further strengthening our portfolio metrics in terms of age and Our 3rd cornerstone for excellence is our conservative and flexible balance sheet. Since our formation, we have maintained a long term focus on our capital structure and steadily worked to expand our sources of capital and lower our average cost of capital. I am proud of our investment grade rating, which earlier this year facilitated our raise of $400,000,000 of Today, our balance sheet has greater capacity and flexibility than ever, and we are positioned to take advantage of any opportunities that arise. And finally, we will continue to focus on delivering a superior customer The fact is that our homes are their homes and our residents need to feel at home to enjoy a sense of comfort and connection in their community. In all of our resident interactions, we emphasize convenience and work to ensure successful solutions. Our training and operational strategies are designed to deliver Responsive and efficient service. Our customer surveys and external ratings demonstrate our continued improvement in providing superior customer service, but we know we can always do better. Before I turn the call over to Jack and Chris, I would like to mention that our Board of Trustees We revised and updated our executive compensation plan. After a thorough review, the Board replaced our legacy comp Which largely rewarded management with equity in place at the time of the IPO. At this point, given the maturation of the company, The Board felt it was important to implement a more forward looking structure with performance based incentives. The full details of the new compensation program will be available when our proxy is filed in March, and Chris will provide details on the impact on G and A later on the call. On a related note, we expect loans made by affiliates of the company in connection with stock acquired by certain executives prior to the IPO Will need to be repaid this year, which may trigger related stock sales. However, management remains committed to alignment of interest With shareholders and expects to retain a substantial ownership stake going forward. In closing, we are proud of our accomplishments and believe we are well positioned Fundamentals remain robust and our portfolio is highly occupied as we move into our strong leasing season. Our development initiatives are maturing and are a key driver of accretive growth going forward. Finally, our platform has been strengthened. Our team is experienced and we believe we are well positioned to continue to create long term value for our shareholders. And now I'll turn over the call to Jack. Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. I'll begin with revenue growth. For the same home portfolio, during the Q4, we achieved a 94.8 average occupied days percentage, up 80 basis points from the Q4 of 2017 and average monthly realized rent was up 3.4%, resulting in quarter over quarter same home core revenues increasing 4.1%. Full year 2018 same home core revenues increased 3.9%. We saw sustained strong demand An average occupied days percentage of 95% during the year, up 40 basis points from the prior year. Average monthly realized rents were up 3.6 percent and I am pleased to say that despite some of the leasing challenges that we faced in 20 Our blended rental rate growth was better during each quarter of 2018 than the same quarter in 2017. As we look ahead to 2019, we believe there is still room for modest occupancy lift. And based on current levels of demand, we do not expect any material shift in our ability to sustain our rental rate growth. Chris will provide more details on our guidance later on the call. Turning to operating expenses. For the full year 2018, Same Home core property operating expenses were up 5.8%. Property taxes, which represents nearly 50% of total expenditures, were up 3.6% for the full year, reflecting the timing of reassessments and higher home values, partially offset by continued successful appeals of assessed values. Across the rest of our operating expense categories, consisting primarily of repair and maintenance, turnover costs and property management costs, We experienced an increase of 8.1% in 2018 over the prior year. Costs to maintain our homes consisting of repairs and maintenance were up 11.2% in 2018. As we previously Discussed, the increases for the year were driven by a variety of factors, including inflation, higher available inventory coming into the year, Some weather related costs and the rollout of our preventative maintenance program. Now I will provide additional color on our preventative maintenance program. Preventative maintenance has always been a focus for AMH to ensure asset quality and maximize customer satisfaction. However, as portions of our portfolio age, we recognize the need for a more robust preventative maintenance program To ensure long term efficiency and predictability of expenditures, historically, we completed preventative maintenance on turns Following the pattern of internalizing operating functions to improve efficiencies, Both in terms of cost and disruption to our residents, during 2018, we hired additional in house technicians to internalize a portion of the preventative maintenance initiatives, most of which are focused on the exterior of our homes. This new process allows for cataloging of exterior conditions and scheduling exterior maintenance in a more orderly manner. We expect that one of the benefits will be to speed up turn times as the exterior work can more efficiently be performed on occupied homes. Looking ahead to 2019, we expect our overall cost to maintain a home to increase by approximately 4% to 5% Prior to the impact of our expanded preventative maintenance program, this reflects higher wage, labor and material inflation, along with consideration for unknown weather related events, offset by the benefit of favorable prior year comps. Incorporating the impact of our expanded preventative maintenance programs, we expect total 2019 cost to maintain to increase 5.5% and 6.5%, resulting in an average cost to maintain in the $2,200 to $2,300 range. While this program adds incremental costs in the near term, we believe a proactive approach is the right decision and will ultimately result in long term savings. On the staffing front, last year, as we discussed, we incurred higher turnover of some of our experienced operating and leasing team members. Today, our staffing levels are back to normal. And while turnover may continue to confront us given our best in class team, We believe we have the depth across our platform, including mobile teams ready to assist in markets hit suddenly by turnover or other disruptions. Further, when not in the field on assignment, these teams will be available to provide training and support to our teams across the platform. Turning to growth. As Dave mentioned, we are increasing our focus on our build for rent programs as the best risk adjusted opportunity for accretive growth. This initiative adds newer assets that are more in demand and provides better near and long term economics. During the Q4 2018, we added 6.99 homes for an estimated total investment, including renovations, of 188,000,000 220 of these homes, totaling $59,000,000 were added to our build for rent programs. For the full year, we added 2,237 Homes for an estimated total investment of 583,000,000 including 663 Homes for $182,000,000 through our built for rent programs. We were most active in Atlanta, Austin, Charlotte and Phoenix. For 2019, our target is Take 300,000,000 to 500,000,000 of homes into inventory with about 80% expected to be from our build for rent pipeline and the rest from our other channels. For the majority of these inventory additions, we expect the first half activity to be the slowest with additions weighted toward the back half of the year. Further, we expect to invest an additional $200,000,000 to 400,000,000 into our development pipeline that we expect will deliver in future years. Turning to dispositions. We continue to strategically prune our portfolio where it makes sense for operational reasons. During the Q4, we sold 380 homes For net proceeds of $58,000,000 bringing the full year 2018 total dispositions to 6.91 homes For net proceeds of $105,000,000 For 2019, we have identified approximately 2,000 homes which we intend to sell both in bulk and on a single asset basis when the homes are vacant. Our objective is to complete the majority of these sales over the next 24 months, and We anticipate generating approximately $400,000,000 in proceeds, which we intend to recycle into our new investments. In summary, we did a lot of heavy operational lifting in 2018 and we entered 2019 in a strong position to execute With year end occupancy up 260 basis points higher than last year, we continue to strengthen our platform and improve efficiency to deliver superior customer service for our residents. So far in 2019, we have seen positive absorption in the same home pool and lower than anticipated turnover. For January, average occupied days were 95.1%, up 60 basis points from 2018. Now, I will turn the call over to Chris. Thanks, Jack. In my comments today, I'll briefly touch on our Q4 operating results, update you on our balance sheet and then provide some additional color on the introduction of our 2019 guidance. Starting off with a summary of our operating results. For the Q4 of 2018, we generated net income attributable to common shareholders $17,600,000 or $0.06 per diluted share. This compares to a net loss of $22,000,000 or an $0.08 loss per diluted share for the Q4 of 2017. Also for the Q4 of 2018, Core FFO was $98,500,000 or $0.28 per FFO share and unit as compared to $89,400,000 or $0.26 per FFO share and unit for the same quarter last year. The increase in core FFO is primarily attributable to continued growth in our net operating income from both our same home pool of properties as well as cash flow contribution from our acquisition and development activity over the last 12 months. Adjusted FFO was $86,900,000 in the Q4 of 2018 as compared to $79,800,000 for the Q4 of 2017. On a per share basis, adjusted FFO was $0.25 per FFO sharing unit for the Q4 of 2018, up 8.7% from $0.23 per FFO sharing unit for the Q4 of 2017. Next, I'll provide a quick update on our balance sheet and recent capital markets activity. In November, we completed the previously announced repayment Our $115,000,000 exchangeable senior notes at maturity for total cash consideration of $135,100,000 At year end 2018, we had $2,800,000,000 of total debt with a weighted average interest rate of 4.2% And a weighted average term to maturity of 13.4 years, our $800,000,000 revolving credit facility had a $250,000,000 balance, which was subsequently paid off in January of this year, which I'll discuss in a minute. At year end, our net debt to adjusted EBITDA was 5.0 times And debt plus preferred shares to adjusted EBITDA was 6.8 times. Subsequent to year end, in January, we completed our second Unsecured bond offering raising $400,000,000 of 4.9 percent senior notes, which are due in 2029. As I just mentioned, the net proceeds were used in part to repay the $250,000,000 outstanding balance on our revolving credit facility, Leaving approximately $150,000,000 of remaining net proceeds to fund a portion of our 2019 acquisitions and development program as well as general corporate purposes. Going forward, we don't have any debt maturities other than regular principal amortization For the next 3 years, which combined with our strong and growing annual retained cash flow of approximately $250,000,000 And our capital recycling program, we have a very solid foundation on which to grow our platform and portfolio. Before I get into guidance, I'd like to make one quick note about 2019. Consistent with the rest of the real estate industry, beginning in 2019, We have adopted the new lease accounting standard, which results in a larger proportion of our internal leasing costs now being expensed and includes within property management costs rather than capitalized. If the new methodology had been in place for all of 2018, we would have expensed approximately $8,000,000 more of leasing costs, Approximately $6,000,000 of which would have been included in same home operations. For reference, this would have reduced our 2018 same home NOI margins by nearly 100 basis points to the 63% range and lowered our 2018 core FFO by approximately $0.02 to $1.04 per FFO share and unit. As a reminder, this represents merely a change in accounting financial statement line items It has no impact on actual cash expenditures and importantly no impact to AFFO. For ease of reference, however, we have provided a reconciliation table On page 31 of the supplemental, showing what our 2018 FFO metrics would have looked like on a pro form a basis for the new lease accounting standard. For 2019 NOI Margins and Core FFO, we expect the lease accounting standard impact to be similar to 2018 and will continue to provide you with conformed and comparable prior year metrics. Finally, I would like to introduce our 2019 guidance, which I'm sure you all have noticed now includes guidance to core FFO, which for 2019 we expect will range from $1.06 to $1.14 per FFO share and unit. At the midpoint of $1.10 per FFO share and unit, this represents 5.8% growth over our comparable 2018 metric conformed for the new lease accounting standard. Supporting our range several assumptions that I'll provide you with more color on. For our same home pool, which will now include about 41,000 properties in 2019, Our core revenues growth is expected to be in the range of 3.2% to 4.2%, which as Jack already covered, is based on our expectation for a slight uptick in year over year average occupied days and similar year over year growth in average monthly realized rent. Additionally, core property operating expense growth for the 2019 same home pool is expected to be in the 3.5% to 4.5% range, driven by a 4% to 5% increase in property taxes and a 3% to 4% increase on all of the line items. As a quick note on property taxes, we are expecting a slightly higher increase in 2019 as we have a larger proportion of multi year revaluation states Resetting property tax values this year, notably North Carolina, South Carolina and Colorado. As always, we plan to actively appeal property tax values where possible and have assumed a conservative level of success in our guidance range, but have less than perfect visibility at this point and we'll need to update you on this front as we progress throughout the year. Tying things together, our revenue and expense expectations taken with our capital expenditures outlook, including the preventative maintenance program that Jack discussed, translate into an expectation for same home core NOI after capital expenditures growth in the range of 2.6% to 3.6%. Additionally, as Jack mentioned, we expect to invest between $600,000,000 $800,000,000 of total capital this year and take into inventory between $300,000,000 $500,000,000 of homes from both our acquisition and development programs, With the balance of this year's capital deployment representing investment into our 2020 pipeline of AMH developed homes. Also from a timing perspective, it's important to note that this year's inventory additions are expected to be much more heavily weighted towards the second half of the year as our AMH development program continues its ramp up. We expect to fund this year's growth through a combination of the remaining proceeds from this January's bond offering, Reinvestment of retained cash flow, recycled capital from our disposition program and modest usage of our fully available revolving credit facility as necessary. And finally, we expect 2019 general and administrative expenses to be in the range of $36,500,000 to $38,500,000 reflecting the impact of our new executive compensation program that Dave discussed along with a modest 1% to 2% increase on all other components of G and A. And with that, that concludes our prepared remarks. And now we'll open the call to your questions. Operator? At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. In the interest of time, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Hey, this is Ron Kamdem on for Richard Hill. First question I had was just on the cost to maintain. I think you Provide some good color and transparency. Just try digging into that a little bit more. You said some of the drivers Higher wages, higher material costs and so forth. Just trying to understand how much is that? Is that a 2019 thing? And how should we think about that post Number 1. And then, number 2, are there opportunities down the line to see that line item potentially start to flatten or go down? It's really a 20 eighteen-twenty 19 Extraordinary inflation in wages in general, I think, with unemployment down in the 4% range, it's People are having to pay more for their people and then they're going to charge us more and same thing goes Material is probably not as much as the actual cost of the labor, but it's been up right around 5% and expect in 2019, it will be up another 5%. And in the future, whether that goes down, I think would also depend Where the economy is and where the unemployment rate and demand for laborers are. Great. And then my follow-up was just going to be going back to the margin. I think you mentioned that the lease accounting change was 100 basis points Headwind to 2018, what's that how should we think about margins for 2019 and beyond? Yes. Ron, this is Chris. Good question. Your number is spot on that adjusted for the lease accounting standard, Our 64% margin range that we reported for 2018 on a comparable basis would be in the 63% range. For purposes of thinking about 2019, you can do the math on our revenue and expense ranges and see that we're thinking about margins in the context 2019 kind of on a flattish basis in the 63% range or so. Helpful. Thank you. Sure. Thanks, Ron. Our next question comes from the line of Nick Joseph with Citi. Please proceed with your question. Thanks. As you started to take delivery of newly constructed homes, are there any lessons learned or changes to the specs you're implementing for the next wave of homes that you're building? Yes, not a lot, but we have just doing things again to reduce maintenance. We make sure that the washer and dryers are on the bottom floor. And so any Water damage caused by a wrong hookup is maintained to the bottom floor, same with water heaters. And we make the stairways a little wider, so they're not easier to move in and out of. And A lot of little things that we put regular doors on walk in closets instead of the Sliding doors because the sliding doors are constantly having to be maintained. So it's just little things all over the houses. Thanks. And then bad debt was higher for the quarter in 2018. What's driving that? And have you leasing underwriting standards changed at all? No, the underwriting standards haven't changed. I think for the full year and sometimes it gets a little lumpy, but for the full year, we were Right around just under 1%, which is kind of historically where we've been. Yes. That's exactly right. And I think Nick, it's Chris. The way that we think about it is to us, bad debt in the range of 1% or less Is about kind of what we're expecting. And to Jack's point, it does move around a little bit on a quarter to quarter basis. But when you look at the 4th quarter, as a percent of rents and fees, we're right on 1%. Thanks. Sure. Thanks, Nick. Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Gilbert with BTIG. Please proceed with your question. Hi. Thanks, guys. So just to clarify, the change in the accounting standard impacted 2018 Or would have impacted 2018 core FFO per share by $0.02 Is it fair to use that $0.02 number for 2019 guidance range as well or do you think the impact could be greater than that? No. Ryan, it's Chris. As I mentioned, our expectation is that the 2018 impact is Pretty representative of what we're expecting for 2019. And keep in mind, our guidance range contemplates Or is on the new lease accounting standard basis. So that's already factored in there. And just as a reminder, really this is just Accounting line item geography, there's no change to obviously actual cash dollars or economics going out the door and no impact to AFFO. So for us, as I'm sure you're aware, we've always taken leasing costs as a deduct to AFFO. And from a lease accounting change standpoint, it's essentially just moving those dollars up a few line items from an perspective. So now it's going to be above the line in NOI and be reflected in core FFO. But again, there's no change to the ultimate bottom line of AFFO. Okay, understood. And is the change reflected in the same store expense guidance as well? Or are you going to be restating the 2018 No, it's all reflected in there. And keep in mind, it will impact dollars and margin, but From a growth percentage basis, so long as you're setting kind of apples to apples on both 2018 2019, it's not going to have much if any of a difference in terms of percentage growth year over year. But specifically, it is contemplated in our guidance range. And as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, as we move throughout 2019, We'll make sure that we're providing conformed and comparable prior year metrics, so everyone can be comparing things on an apples to apples basis. Okay. That's great. And then on turnover, I was a little surprised to see it flat on a year over year basis. Was is that number impacted by No, the hurricanes that we had in the fall at all or were there any markets where you saw an increase in move outs to homeownership? Yes. The quarter over quarter, I think we were flat, but for the year we were Down in terms of turn and so far in 2019, we're down As far as turns, so I think that was just I'm not sure exactly Why it flattened out for the quarter, but I expect that we'll be down again in 2019. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Ryan. Our next question comes from the line of Jason Green with Evercore. Please proceed with your question. Good morning. So last year, you had one time expenses related to cosmetic expenses in the front half of the year to push occupancy as well as some one time expenses related to inclement weather. So I guess, can you remind us what the dollar value was of each of those Separate spends in 2018 and then what's included in expense guidance for 2019? Yes. Jason, it's Chris. I'll start and trying to keep it just kind of at a slightly higher level. Ballpark numbers For last year, there's probably about, call it, again, rounded here, dollars 4,000,000 or so kind of total, What we were kind of thinking is non recurring type of items. But keep in mind, probably a good half or so of that Was related to weather type of events. We had the freeze at the beginning of last year and then we had the 2 hurricanes towards the back part of the year. And as we were mentioning all throughout last year, as we're thinking about guidance coming into this year, We're taking a fulsome kind of comprehensive look at kind of total expected kind of expenditures on the year, including Some element of likelihood of non recurring type events that may occur this year again. In our guidance ranges, we have contemplated the fact that we could potentially have Additional kind of unforeseen weather type events this year. So I would say the piece that's related to weather from last year, I wouldn't really view that as a favorable comp Necessarily from a 2018 actuals to 2019 guidance, in the event that we have a calm and mild year in terms of weather, Then that's a great discussion that we'd love to be having at the end of the year and that will turn into a favorable comp, but we don't want to count on it. And again, the objective here is To be comprehensive in our outlook for the year to minimize the number of kind of unforeseen events as we progress throughout the year. Okay. And then on the real estate taxes and the increase in the multiyear tax states, I guess, can you give us a better sense for A, how dramatic those increases can be? And I guess, B, what percentage of your portfolio is experiencing that? And What percentage experiences that next year if there is any? Yes, sure. Good question. So again, just as a reminder, we are expecting 4% to 5% on property taxes for this year, 4.5% at the midpoint. In my prepared remarks, I mentioned that The primary drivers of those multi year revaluation states are North Carolina, South Carolina and Colorado. I'll also point out that we are expecting Slightly higher than normal increases in Houston this year. Last year on the back of Harvey, essentially as kind of a relief type measure, Houston stayed flattish and we are expecting that there will be a catch up there this year. And some of those increases can be pretty dramatic. There are places in North Carolina that I know many people are aware of where values can be going up 15% plus because they have not been revalued for several years. I think in one particular county, I don't think they've been revalued for 8 years. So there is kind of a large kind of multi Your catch up. Thinking about 2020, for the jurisdictions that have multi year resets going on Right now, those will reset this year and they will then stay constant next year unless the jurisdiction decides to do something with rate, which in off cycle years is not too common. So, there are some pretty meaningful increases in those Specific areas that I've mentioned, for some level of context, that 4.5%, this is not an exact number, but just To give you some context here, that 4.5%, if you were to normalize it for North Carolina, South Carolina and Colorado, which represent 20% of the portfolio or so in the normalized rate Houston. That 4.5% would be more like in the upper 3s, 3.7%, 3.8%, something in that ballpark. So Pretty meaningful impact to this year. And then I would just reiterate that as everyone knows, we are very, very active on the appeal front And we'll do everything that we can to combat the revaluations where there is opportunity. And again, we've considered some level of kind of conservative estimate there in our guidance. But as I mentioned previously, we're going to have to keep everyone posted on that front as we progress throughout the year. Jason, this is Dave. Just on that last point, as you know, the way property taxes work, we get assessments throughout the year. And so we've worked with consultants today to come to the best estimates, but that number is going to get refined As we go through the first half of the year for sure. And we have been very, very successful on appeals. And last year, I believe we about 3,500,000 on our increases overall. So, again, it's not the most linear of Functions just because of the way the jurisdictions assess, but we're pretty comfortable that we've got it all covered with our guidance this year. Got it. And then last question for me on the same store revenue front. You're coming into this year with higher occupancy than last year. You're talking about potentially increasing occupancy during the year. You're talking about average monthly realized rent probably being flat, maybe having some uptick. I guess, thinking about the range in that context, what's really the likelihood that you could possibly hit the bottom of that range? And then I guess, what What's the possibility you could come in above the range? Well, this is Dave again. By definition, it's probably Equal weighted, we think we have a lot of reasons that we can outperform The midpoint, but it's there's a lot of things that can happen over the next 12 months. Where we sit today, we are very encouraged about all of the trends, whether it's the move outs being a little bit lower coming into the quarter with the Higher occupancy or and even the trajectory of what we've seen in rental rate increases Over 2018, over 2017, each quarter, the blended rates were higher than the prior year and that trend, I Expect will continue. So, there's a lot of encouragement that we could beat those numbers, but I would put equal weighting, just because of the unknowns. Got it. Thanks very much. Thanks, Jason. Our next question comes from the line of Haendel St. Juste with Mizuho. Please proceed with your question. Hey, good morning out there. Good morning. So I want to ask an earlier question on margins, but maybe with a Slightly different twist. Looking at expense growth, they outpaced revenue growth on an annualized basis last year for the first time Ever in your brief 7 year history as a public company and with same store expenses looking like they'll have to pay its revenue again this year And your margin is looking flattish year over year. I'm curious if perhaps you and the sector entering a new stage in its lifecycle and facing Decelerating margins going forward? And then maybe what measures beyond preventative maintenance are you also considering to support or enhance your margins going forward? Well, this is Jack Haendel. Yes, I wouldn't I think that revenues have been consistently up in the 3.5% to 4% range for the last several years. The Expenses, we've had a couple of years of or a year and plus an estimate of a year of 4% unemployment and that has caused whether it's our labor that we internally have or The people that we hired to do the 3rd party work has just gone up. If that goes down, we had 2 years Before that, where our expenses were either flat or down. It's just kind of where the economy is and the property values have continued to increase. And so that's going to be reflected at some point in the property tax. Yes. And I would say, just a note on that. I mean, if you were to normalize property taxes for some of the numbers I just mentioned a minute ago, down to the higher 3 range, 3.7 to 3.8 that alone by itself would actually flip margins into a slight expansion position year over year. Okay. Any color on additional measures perhaps you're considering to support margins beyond the preventive maintenance that you've talked about? Well, we expect to continue to get better at each of the functions and Hopefully, that will result in the expenses being improved. We don't currently plan any expansion of Phase 1 or Phase 2 Okay. And then a follow-up here on the dispositions you outlined, 2,000 homes you expect to sell over the 24 months expected proceeds in the $400,000,000 range. I guess tactically, are you biased to selling them as the needs arise, serving as a Maybe an ATM of sorts to fund your development or are you also open to selling them in bulk? And maybe as part of that, maybe some Comment on what's out there today. Are there portfolio buyers? What type of pricing differential perhaps are you seeing between smaller, More bite sized deals versus more chunky bidding on more chunky distributors or portfolio? We're not selling to generate the cash. We're selling in kind of the less dynamic markets Where we don't have a significant presence and we don't plan to ever grow there. So Those markets we're going out of and then we selectively our property management company comes to us And talks about certain properties that are either hard to lease or the cost to maintain is really high. And one of the other areas that we tend to sell out of are the On septic tanks, it's just we're not we don't have enough of them to have a good system in place To manage it and the cost to maintain those are significantly higher The ones on SEWR. But just want to be clear, should there be a bid that did arise, you Are open to selling a bit sooner than perhaps using Oh, yes. We have 3 small bulk deals done In the Q4, we're probably selling on average about 50% bulk and 50% as they vacate And then we put them up on the MLS. Yes. And that's actually a good point Haendel. It's Chris. Just from a guidance perspective, We're expecting in the ballpark of about $200,000,000 of sales this year. We could be off on that number. And as Jack pointed out, it's difficult to predict timing of it and it could be lumpy. But for modeling purposes, we don't have an assumption better than just kind of evenly throughout the year. So again, we'll keep you updated on that front. But just to point out, that is one area where there certainly will be kind of timing unpredictability throughout the year. Got it. Got it. Okay. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jade Rahmani with KBW. Please proceed with your question. Thanks very much. In quite a number of markets, occupancy was down sequentially, which I think is counter to at least my Expectations of seasonality, some of those markets included Atlanta, Indianapolis, Charlotte, Chicago, Nashville. So can you just touch on what's driving that? Well, I think Nashville is one of the ones that It has been a little more troublesome lately. I think Atlanta is still pretty high in occupancy. Nashville, we saw an increase in supply related Petition from other institutional players entering the space in late 2017 2018. We've seen these temporary absorption issues happen before. And once they're resolved, the occupancy It goes right back up. So we've seen that happen in Tampa, Phoenix and Indianapolis. Indy Was one of the markets we discussed, I think last quarter where we basically had our whole Turn teams, poached by one of the other institutional Players have caused a slowdown in getting homes ready to rent. And so Consequently, the occupancy was lower than we would have liked. How about Jacksonville and Orlando? I mean, I think that housing has been really strong in the Florida market, especially those 2. But it looks like in Orlando, I mean, Occupancy dropped almost 200 basis points and Jacksonville dropped almost 100 basis points. What's going on there? You're looking at, Jade, the entire portfolio. And in Jacksonville I'm looking at Slide 14 Same Home Results Sequential Quarterly Metrics Average Occupied Yes. I mean, I guess 95.7%. It's really hard to keep something at 97%, and it will switch back down And come back up. It's not a reflection of the market cooling off. It's just that's You have a little acceleration of move outs and you're going to end up In the 95% to 96% range for a month or 2. And the other one you asked about was Jacksonville. Again, I mean, 95% is strong. There's nothing going on that's negative. It's Just a temporary thing. If I look at January of 2019 and in Orlando, we're 96.3 And Jacksonville, 95.8 percent, so it's already starting to creep up. Yes. The Florida markets in total are all in the 95 range. If you have a few move outs At the end of the month, it's going to have a small impact. None of these markets are markets that we are concerned about demand Or I can see or the ability or the operations. So, there's going to be a couple of timing things here and there, but these markets are Okay. That's great to hear. Just on the CapEx, what does your same home guidance imply for The increase in CapEx per home and what are the drivers? It seems our calculations implied something like a 10% increase. Yes. I mean that's kind of in the ballpark. I think it's a little bit less than that. I would say that the 2 drivers are, as Jack mentioned in I think it was Prepared remarks kind of the underlying increase in cost to maintain whether it's expensed or capitalized is kind of in the 4% to 5% range. And then the incremental preventative or expanded preventative maintenance program We'll increase CapEx to kind of call it the 9% range or so. And the reason for that is the majority of our preventative maintenance Program is really focused on the exterior of our homes currently, kind of bigger ticket items that have kind of a higher kind of likelihood of capitalization because they really are Betterments in extending the useful life of our homes. Do you expect that given the nature of the Age of your homes being younger than, say, peers, that this will be kind of an ongoing theme for several years Come as your CapEx normalizes to where others in the industry are? No. I mean, one of the major things that they're doing is painting the exterior of homes. Our average home is, I think 14 or 15 years old, and we're constantly We're adding new homes. And I think our average age Should always be newer than theirs, but I don't I think there's one thing, one area where we may see an increase, because we haven't hit the midpoint of the useful life yet, and that's So, possibly roofing. Yes. So, Jade, a couple of things. This is Dave. One is, we've We've been doing preventative maintenance from day 1. We've been doing it on the turns And doing it with 3rd parties, a little less efficient than what we are attempting to do now, but like everything else that we've done, when you internalize, you can get better Efficiencies and better customer service. We are proactive in the fact that we are Doing maintenance today, in the long term, we believe that the cost will be lower as a result of doing Maintenance, that doesn't mean that you'll see a decline in maintenance. That means that if we didn't do it, it would be much higher than we do do it. We have looked at this. We do think it could increase a little bit on the next couple of years. So our maintenance expenditures Maybe about 1% higher on an annual basis, but I don't see us ever getting well, as inflation goes on, we will, but Our comparable spend is going to be significantly lower than where our competitors are today, even with increases in the next couple of years in Preventative maintenance. And just lastly, I wanted to ask about the dividend. How much flexibility is there? When under the REIT rules would you need to start Increasing the dividend to common stockholders. Yes. So there is some information that It's in our financials on this in the tax footnote. We do have some net operating losses from the early years That were generated that are available to reduce taxable income In future years, those obviously will burn off over time. We don't give dividend guidance, But I think if you look in the footnotes, you'll get some information that might be useful for you on that. Our Board does look at Dividend policy on a quarterly basis. And at this time, we have we're not projecting an increase For the next couple of quarters or anytime in the immediate future. Jade, it's Chris. The footnotes that Dave is referring to is in our 10 ks There will be 5 a little bit later today. Thanks very much. Thanks, Jatin. Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Spector with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question. Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to focus on the build program. We've talked about it for a number of years. You've gained a lot of experience there, Great balance sheet. How much more aggressive can you get with that program this year, next year? Clearly, you have laid out on the call many of the benefits of that program and of course owning The younger homes, not just from a maintenance standpoint, but from an experience standpoint. Yes. We're Scheduled to deliver 1300 to 1400 homes in 20 19, which is substantially higher than what we did in 2018. We kind of Are targeting somewhere in the 25,000 to 3000 home range in 2020, But it's kind of early to really hang your hat on that. We believe we're staffed To be able to do up to 4,000 homes a year right now. Hey, Jeff, it's Dave. Developments, a little bit longer life cycle than going out and buying on MLS. We Started the program late last year, nurtured it through this year. We do things on a little bit smaller scale to Test it out. We are very excited about our results and have been staffing up in additional markets. And As you heard from Chris, the deliveries this year are back weighted to the back end of the year. But more importantly, there is also an investment, into properties that will be delivered next year. And so, We will the cadence will get a little bit more normalized next year in 2020 on the deliveries as the program matures and The properties work their way through the life cycle of from land to completed property. Great. Thanks. And then my second question pertains to just the personnel turnover and your discussion on the new compensation program. How deep does that program go into the personnel to try to retain talent at the company? Yes. So, this is Dave again. So, I think my comments were really more what you will see in the proxy on senior personnel. The other piece that you're referring to, we did have done a thorough look at compensation. This is a new industry. A couple positions were of more high demand than others. We have made adjustments To our compensation, it's in our guidance for next year in the property management. It's not significant. It's only a couple of tiers that we made, had to make some Significant adjustments are more I wouldn't say significant, but higher than inflationary adjustments. We are today fully staffed across all of the field. I think we're in better shape today than we ever have. We have Additional people in certain roles that can be moved around if necessary and when not they Are acting as trainers and quality control in many of our markets. So, I think we're in a very, very good place today And all of the impacts of that are reflected in our guidance. Great. Thank you. Thanks, Jeff. Our next question comes from the line of John Pawlowski with Green Street Advisors. Please proceed with your question. Thank you. Dave, could you provide more details, if you can, on the stock sales from the C suite that you alluded to in 2019? I think it will be there will be a couple of documents that will be filed here coming out that would Highlight a lot of that. As you know, the compensation program of the C suite has not been traditional. We are rightsizing that And it may require some of us to that have loans that are coming due this year to sell throughout The year 2019. And so, it's there's I'd Probably defer to the documents that will be filed over the next weeks or so on that. It's at the end of the day let me say one thing, John. At the end of the day, it's not a confidence thing. The individuals, which are primarily Jack and I, We'll continue to own a very significant position in excess of 1,000,000 shares each. Okay. Thanks for that. And on the disposition plan, if you look across the major markets that constitute A lot of these planned dispositions, how have home prices trended in the last couple of months there in the Oklahoma Cities and Augusta Georgias of the world. Well, the 4th quarter is Generally not a quarter where there's a lot of people out looking for houses. So It usually is a little flatter appreciation rate. And I would say that's pretty accurate for what we've I'd have a better answer for you. If we get through the spring Home buying season and what we see after that. But one of the reasons we're selling out of those markets They have not been very dynamic in terms of rent growth or home price appreciation. So the overall return hasn't been that good. And so I'm not expecting to see a huge Appreciation coming up in March April. John, the home price appreciation does lag a month or 2, the Stronger data, but as Jack said, they have lagged consistently with some of our other properties and we have seen nothing in the last 2 months to indicate that Change that. Okay. But on a seasonally adjusted basis, are home prices declining on an absolute basis in any pockets of these Disposition markets? Not from what I see. No. They just don't have the same potential. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, John. Our next question comes from the line of Douglas Harter with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question. Thanks. Can you talk about the underlying trends on demand, specifically kind of how long properties are staying Vacant and kind of the number of applicants for vacant property? Yes. Again, the Q4 and really the first half of January It's typically not our high demand months. And so I want to Start with that, but we've seen a lot of demand for our products for those months. I expect The number of applicants will pick up substantially March, April, May, June, July and that those are really Our big months of leasing. Doug, one other thing to add. I mean, overall, if you look Throughout 2018, for the majority of the months, you will see that our move out activity Is better in 2018 and 2017. Our rental rate increases on a blended basis, renewals And new leases was better in every quarter 2018 over 2017, And the demand is stronger. The issue is that if you compare sequential quarters, The seasonality does play in and but we are coming into the year better. The January leasing, As Jack indicated in his prepared remarks, it was very strong. And so the demand is there. And so There will be a little short term impact if people more people move out at the end of 1 quarter. You may See an impact as we just talked with Jade on Florida, but it's not indicative that we are concerned about the Florida market. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Hardik Goel with Zelman and Associates. Dave, I just wanted to refer back to something you had in your prepared remarks about Doing exterior work on the homes while they were occupied. If you could just give us more color on What other initiatives you guys are you guys have in place that will reduce turn times and how far that could really go? If you Just quantify that in terms of days that you were saving. Yes. This is Jack. I'll take that call. What we had historically done is Do the external work on the turn or in emergency cases, we'd have to do it Well, it was occupied, but and that's really the most expensive way to do that because it's one off. It's You don't really know that it has to be done until you get there and then you got to schedule it and it really, it takes up More time, if we see that a home and we have now a system of cataloging the condition of the exterior of the home, We see the home may need it a year from now, may need it 2 years from now, it needs it within 6 months. We can Kind of bulk that together and even if we don't have sufficient in house personnel, the first choice is obviously to do it in house, We can bulk an area up and sub it out to a painting contractor to go do that In that area, we buy a week of time or 2 weeks of time. So it's really trying to get more efficient and not Delaying the turn of the house for work that can easily be scheduled while the tenants in there. The interior work you really need to do on the turn. Got it. Could you give us all in turn times, Lease and the start of a new lease in 2017 2018 and what you think they'll be going forward? I can give you 2017 2018. Sure. I'll let Jack speak to his expectation going forward. But both years in the lower 50s, 2017, I think was kind of in the 54, 55 day range. And then in 2018 and keep in mind these are cash to cash, so totally all inclusive turn times. And then in 2018, we were more like 52, 53 days. So incremental improvement, I think we can get it down to 45 days, but I'm not promising that in 2019. Got it. Thanks guys. That's great color. Thanks Hardik. Our next question comes from the line of Buck Horne with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question. Hey, thanks. I want to do a Follow-up a little bit on the build to rent questions. But just looking at the housing market in general, with the steep slowdown we had, And particularly with new home sales last year, you had a lot of builders got caught with too much spec inventory out there. I'm wondering if you've had any increased conversations with Any builders out there about their spec product and maybe if there's any new opportunities to buy some more new homes in bulk? Yes, we definitely have had discussions and have bought Some from the builders, national builders and some of the smaller ones. And in addition, Trying to buy vacant developed lots was getting hard and that's getting a lot easier. Even some of the builders are selling their lots to us. So that leads to if you don't buy the raw land and have to Develop the land, it makes it easier and shorter to get that investment into producing income. Okay, great. And just kind of thinking more hypothetically, so if we do see the economy and or the housing market experience A more pronounced downturn or a pullback, how do you think about managing the self development program through a downturn? Do you Can you toggle it down? Can you shut it off? Or do you just keep building straight through? I think you keep building straight through because we've We can rent houses. What I haven't seen anywhere in any large degree is where The production of houses has outpaced new household formation. So I don't think that I don't see it happening projected in the future either. So I think that our product will be in demand and possibly even more in demand during a downturn. Yes. I mean, Buck, this is Dave. I think you're highlighting one of the very large differences between us as a builder and a homebuilder for retail as a builder. We know where we're selling. We don't have the selling cost of a traditional homebuilder. Therefore, our risk profile is very, very different. Jack indicated that The new starts of all housing is less than the household formation. Before you even get to that, we still have a housing shortage in the United And so we will be providing and adding housing stock and demand for rentals In a downturn in the housing cycle, in the homebuilding cycle is a benefit to us, not a detriment. And so, I think we are very, very well positioned. Overlay that, that we still have the demographic changes that we have talked about Historically, on prior calls, so the demand for housing is going to be for rental housing is going to be very, very strong And it will get stronger if the economic changes make it more difficult to be going to homeownership. With that said, just one thing you should know, we've talked about the decline in our move out percentage, which is very favorable. And a lot of that's driven by a decline in the number of people looking to buy homes as well and move out for that. So Those are a couple of our additional facts. That's really, really helpful. And one last one, if I can, right now. Just The kind of the recent economics you've been achieving on the new build assets, can you quantify a little bit of what kind of rent premiums you're achieving or Yield on costs and whether there's any major differences in the economics on the internally developed versus the 3rd party stuff? Okay. It's probably about a 20% better yield on the stuff that We developed a premium. I don't think we're charging on average that much of a premium because in some of the developments We're putting 100 houses up in 10 or 12 months. So We really want to fill them up. We'll look for the premium on the renewals. Okay. All right. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Buck. Our next question comes from the line of Nick Joseph with Citi. Please proceed with your question. Hey, it's Michael Bellerman here with Nick. Dave or Chris, maybe you can just go over some of the G and A changes year to year. So you were running about $37,000,000 in total aggregate G and A. It sounds like just based on the $0.01 variance for 2019, that should rise to probably $40,500,000 give or take. Senior management, at least disclosed in the proxy, In aggregate, there's only $4,000,000 from 2017. So maybe can you talk a little bit about how that Evolves and what the big changes are to cause such a big jump into 2019? This is Dave. As we indicated, the executive management comp is outlined in There's a number of others, 2 of us for sure in the Comp structure that are really comped with equity that was pre IPO. In that program, we're unwinding we are going to move the comp to more of a market based comp. If you look at our increase Year over year, it's about 9% in total in The amount that we expect to see G and A increase, 1% to 2% of that is Recurring thing. The balance is these items that we indicated. And as I indicated with John Pawlowski, that information will be more fulsomely described in a proxy And other materials that will be filed here shortly. And so I'll defer to those filings for you to get all the details. Right. So we should expect that the top 5 individuals will go from $4,000,000 in total comp to somewhere in the 6 point The $7,000,000 range, is that a way to think about it? You're in the right zip code, yes. And then so and I think you mentioned also in terms of Stock, you and Jack both have pledged your 3,100,000 shares in units for loans. And so it sounds like you said you'll own just about 1,000,000 shares post. So does that assume then you'll be liquidating each about 2,000,000 shares in units to fund those loan repayments, just to make sure I got the math right. Yes. No, the Mike, I think the words that were used were we will own more than 1,000,000 shares And without giving clarification, that's what the number was. And again, I'll defer to the documents that are filed. And so, the pledge Of the shares, I guess that's what is the loan outstanding relative to the pledge, Right. So, Mike, you've pledged $70,000,000 each of your holdings, but it's to get a loan of how much? Yes. Mike, all that detail is in the Proxy and the filings that are coming out, and I think we should probably wait till those are out. Yes. I'm just trying to figure out what was previous, right? So I'm just saying the 2017 proxy You have pledged 3,100,000 shares in units. I'm just wondering how big the loan was. That's all. I'm not asking what gets I'm sure I understand what the loan is against the shares that you've pledged. It's different for each of us. I think in aggregate, you're going to see something in the probably in the $40,000,000 range, maybe $50,000,000 Great. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Michael. Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the question and answer session. And this does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.