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Earnings Call: Q3 2020

Nov 12, 2020

Operator

Good afternoon, welcome to Amwell's third quarter 2020 conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. Leading today's call are Ido Schoenberg, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Keith Anderson, Chief Financial Officer. Ido and Keith will offer their prepared remarks, then they will take your questions.

The Amwell press release and webcast link are available on the investor relations section upon Amwell's website. Please note that we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures that we believe are important in evaluating Amwell's performance. Details on the relationship between these non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures and reconciliations thereof can be found in the press release that is posted on our website.

Please note that certain statements made during this call will be forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such forward-looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could cause the results for Amwell to differ materially for those expressed, implied in this call. Now I'll turn the call over to Ido Schoenberg, Chairman and CEO of Amwell. Ido?

Ido Schoenberg
Chairman and CEO, Amwell

Good evening, and thank you for joining our first earnings call as a public company. I want to use this opportunity to thank our new investor partners for your trust and confidence in Amwell. We are thrilled to see so many world-class groups participate in our IPO. I also want to thank our longtime investor partners for your many years of consistent support and faith in us. Since we last reported on our IPO, we continue to see good momentum as reflected in our third quarter results.

Our third quarter revenue of $63 million increased 80% compared to last year's third quarter. The number of active providers on our platform of 62,000 increased 930% compared to last year's count at the end of the third quarter. We had 1.4 million visits during Q3, an increase of 450% as compared with Q3 of 2019.

Recognizing that many of you are new to our story, I would like to spend some time talking about our company more generally before we refocus on our recent performance. When Roy and I started Amwell almost a decade and a half ago, it was apparent to us that digital care delivery would transform healthcare.

We continue to believe that the fundamental way that care is delivered is materially changing. This is a profound transformation. It will continue to evolve significantly over the next few years. Care is moving home. Digital technologies are ushering a new hybrid model of care, one that combines physical and digital care. With far better information about health status and gaps in care, providers will be able to craft more personalized, continuous, and engaging care plans.

New technologies will streamline consumer engagement in healthcare and simplify their interaction with healthcare services, insurers, providers, and other participants. Finally, effective last-mile interventions will leverage technology and drive much better clinical and financial outcomes. High-quality care will become more affordable and accessible to everyone. Even with all these changes, we are confident that the contribution of trusted traditional players, especially providers and payers, will remain relevant and necessary even a decade from now.

Our mission is to help realize this vision by connecting and enabling these key players in healthcare, namely providers, insurers, patients, and innovators, to deliver greater access to more affordable, higher quality care. Our contribution is in way of offering connectivity. Our technology platform enables the key players to interact in a better way. We do not and will not compete with our client and partners or seek to replace them.

Most importantly, we will strive to strengthen existing patient-provider relationships to allow hybrid online and offline connectivity across the full continuum of care. With our platform, people engage with providers they recognize and trust, covering all their healthcare needs. We make special efforts to cater to providers' needs and count the number of active providers using Amwell as a key performance indicator.

As more providers from our community use our platform, we can offer more trusted services across more therapeutic areas in a very scalable way. We believe that our platform is unique and valuable. We plan to further expand and enhance our investment in it to offer our clients the most impactful capabilities.

Our clinical and other services are designed to help our clients and partners realize the value of our technology more quickly and easily. As the model of care evolves and increasingly relies on digital connectivity, we expect our revenues from subscriptions to our technology to grow faster than our services. Consequently, we will focus our investments in making our technology even more innovative, valuable, and comprehensive.

As we offer more capabilities, we also expect our user and client experience to become simpler and easier in every way. A good example to our commitment is our new Amwell Now product that we announced this morning, and recently introduced in beta version to our existing clients. It is increasingly easy to use and allows providers to very quickly connect with their patients with little or no prior training. We are very encouraged by the strong adoption of the beta version.

Amwell Now is commercially available today. We also unveiled new CarePoints this morning. CarePoints are last-mile connectivity instruments to our platform. Our new tablet software and the new C500 carts are designed to offer additional, very simple and easy ways for providers to engage with our platform, and through it, across our ecosystem. We believe that ease of use has become even more important during the pandemic.

We are receiving pre-orders for the C500 for Q1 delivery. The new tablet software is commercially available today. These new offerings, like the rest of our products, are designed to be part of an integrated spectrum of capabilities so that our clients always have the most appropriate technology for their needs. Indeed, we aim to further expand our offering of one-stop shop for digital connectivity across our entire ecosystem.

We take great pride of the huge number of clients and partners that are already using our platform. We will make every effort to continue and deserve their trust. As new one joins, we see clear network effects. The addition of these new players to the integrated ecosystem is adding value not only to them, but also to the rest of the participants.

Indeed, a big part of our value is driven by the magnitude of our connected relationships. We attribute our success to our culture. The first pillar is putting our customers first. We will never do anything that stands in the way of great care or the interests of providers, patients, and our entire community of clients and partners that support them. The second pillar is one team. We recently strengthened our team in welcoming Deborah Jackson to our Board.

With her incredible experience across healthcare, business, and academics, coupled with her impeccable reputation, Ms. Jackson is bound to make important contribution to Amwell. Our team perseverance was tested recently with COVID. Working from home around the clock, our team performed admirably, allowing both our services and technology to prevail and perform well despite unprecedented demand.

Our team sees our mission as a privilege and a fiduciary moral commitment to our community. During COVID, we saw huge growth in active providers. Many discovered and tried telehealth for the first time, and so many loved it. Coupled with dramatic changes in reimbursement, we believe that COVID provided strong tailwind to telehealth adoption and popularity. New CMS coverage that may persist after COVID is especially conducive to Amwell's model of telehealth.

While visit volumes are lower than the numbers we've seen in March and April, they're still much higher than before COVID. More importantly, we see clear growth in our clients' readiness to invest in infrastructure to prepare for a new normal. This is well demonstrated in the growth in subscriptions to our platform and orders of CarePoints. The last and final pillar to our culture is deliver awesome. We strive to offer truly helpful innovation that excites and delights our customers.

Amwell was honored to be named number 1 in telehealth satisfaction among direct-to-consumer providers by J.D. Power, a great recognition of our effort. Today, only a small fraction of healthcare is leveraging the enormous potential of digital connectivity. As healthcare embraces connectivity, we will offer more collaborative tools. We are building a powerful global technology platform that will enable better, more affordable, and convenient care to millions of people.

We plan to realize this vision through both organic and inorganic investments. We will strive to make our acquisitions strategically accretive, always with a view to building strong cultural alignment and adding complementary digital assets that are designed to integrate into one end-to-end cohesive technology-driven offering. The recent nomination of our new CTO, Serkan Kutan, demonstrates our commitment to extend and excel our innovative technology investments.

Just before the IPO, we announced our partnership with Google Cloud. While we cannot yet share tactical details about our work together, we did start to collaborate. We have much in common with our friends at Google. Our cultures align well. We're both extremely passionate about our mission to improve healthcare. Google Cloud brings powerful capabilities that will greatly enhance our collaborative offering. It also brings enormous global reach that could accelerate our impact in the United States and abroad.

In addition to our core performance, we are especially encouraged by the quality of our customers, partners, and investors. We see their collaboration with us as an important vote of confidence in our unique strategy.

We have seen significant increase in the demand to our technology and services this year, and we believe this reflects the confidence that our healthcare ecosystem clients and partners have in our ability to support them now during the pandemic, but more importantly, over the coming highly transformative years. With that, I would like to turn to Keith to share with you more on our operational and financial performance indicators.

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Thanks, Ido. Thank you to everyone for joining us this afternoon. I want to reiterate Ido's comments about how pleased we are with the outcome of the IPO, our third quarter results, and the momentum we're seeing across our business. Given that this is our first public earnings release, I'd like to spend the first couple of minutes to describe our business model so that you can better understand the key trends and drivers of Amwell.

In terms of revenue, about 90% of revenue is recurring in nature and is primarily split between subscriptions and visits, and supported by services and CarePoints. Our primary customers are health plans and health systems. Additionally, we have a third smaller group of customers whom we call innovators, who use our platform in individualized ways to support their respective businesses.

These include the likes of Philips, who offers programs such as sleep therapy. Separately, large metropolitan 911 services, who, during the peak of the crisis, used our platform to assist those 911 calls that could be addressed with virtual care. Our health plan and health system contracts are typically three years in length and are structured for subscription expansion. For example, even sales of our CarePoint hardware devices for our health system customers ultimately add to subscription revenue .

As health systems buy more software modules to direct more care through the CarePoint by the health system's own doctors, overall subscription revenue increases. This is because our current health system contracts contain volume components. Software modules are required to deliver specific care through that specific CarePoint. This type of flywheel also exists on the health plan side.

As health plans expand their virtual care services to a higher percentage of their total membership, and as they add services such as behavioral health to their initial urgent care services, our subscription revenue grows. We also expect this dynamic to be accelerated with our virtual primary care products. Now, before diving into our third quarter financial results, I'd like to spend a moment recapping our recent IPO. On September 21st, we completed our IPO by issuing 51.2 million shares at $18 per share.

The total proceeds from this transaction, which included a $100 million investment from Google, totaled approximately $922 million. We are thrilled with the results as it reflects pricing above the initial range, an upsized offering, and the full exercise of the underwriter's greenshoe. We feel that this positive start positions us well for a successful first quarter in the public market.

Turning to our third quarter financial results, I'm happy to report total revenue of $62.6 million, which is an 80% increase from this quarter last year. Our subscription revenue came in at $25.8 million. The 18% increase can be attributed to new customers that we signed in the quarter, our expansion within the health plan populations, and an increase in the volume of platform visits performed by our health system customers' own providers.

As our visit volume remains elevated in comparison to pre-COVID-19 levels, we experienced a steep increase in our visit revenue totaling $28.5 million, up nearly 300% or four times over the previous year. In this quarter alone, 1.4 million visits were performed on our platform, bringing our total visits to over 4 million for the first nine months of this year.

This is down 30% sequentially versus the 2 million visits performed on the platform last quarter during the peak of the crisis, but down only 24% for our AMG visits. Of note, we experienced a 23% increase quarter-over-quarter in AMG specialty visits as we are seeing the impact of COVID on the population's mental health.

While this is an unfortunate and concerning health trend, we are glad that we can support our members through our specialty visit capabilities. We continue to experience outside usage of our platform by our customers' own providers at 73% of all visits performed on the platform were done not by AMG providers, but by health plan and health systems' own providers.

This is compared to 38% in the same quarter last year, is a trend that we see continuing as healthcare delivery systems move more to hybrid care models, combining physical and virtual care. As we discussed during the IPO, this is a realization of a vision Ido and Roy had when they started the company 15 years ago, not to compete with healthcare providers, but rather give them the tools and provide a medium to enable virtual care delivery to meet the needs of their patients and more health plan members.

Our Care Points and Services revenue of $8.3 million was an increase of 47% in the quarter. While we are pleased with these strong numbers, some of the increase was unexpected as some of our health system customers used their remaining funds from the federal Family Care COVID Recovery Act to increase their third quarter Care Points orders.

We view this as a pull forward of some services and CarePoint revenue into Q3 that we are expecting in Q4. Similarly, but on the services side, two of our larger health plan customers concentrated their marketing spend in the quarter for a targeted campaign to increase awareness of their plan's virtual care benefits in preparation for a potential next phase of COVID-19. These were specific programs that were completed in Q3.

Gross margin for the quarter was 32.7%, compared to 45.1% last year. This year-over-year decrease was the direct result of revenue mix, as visit revenue represented a higher percentage of total revenue in this quarter versus the same in 2019. R&D spend of $25.3 million represents an increase of 86% year-over-year, but remained relatively flat at 40% of revenue.

R&D spend this quarter came in slightly below expectations as we slowed select hiring decisions to allow our new chief technology officer, Serkan Kutan, to develop his new products and platform functionality plan. While our sales and marketing spend of $13.8 million was an increase of 18% year-over-year, it was a decrease relative to revenue levels from 31% last year to 21%. This was expected due to travel restrictions and industry conference cancellations.

G&A experienced a 200% year-over-year increase totaling $43 million in the quarter. About $30 million of the increase was due to one-time non-cash stock-based comp awards to our executives that were triggered by our successful IPO, with the balance of the increase being one-time non-recurring IPO expenses. With the IPO now behind us, in Q4 and throughout next year, we see G&A spend normalizing back to the low-mid $20 million range.

Adjusted EBITDA loss of $26.2 million compared to a $20.3 million loss last year was primarily due to revenue mix shift to lower margin visits and additional expenses incurred typical of a public company versus last year when we were private. From a balance sheet perspective, we ended the third quarter with cash and investments of approximately $1.1 billion, which included IPO proceeds of $922 million. Amwell has no outstanding debt.

I want to confirm that as a result of our IPO, combining our A, B, and C class shares, we ended the quarter with 234.2 million shares outstanding. I'll review our initial 2020 outlook. With this being our first quarter as a public company, and because of our strong performance this quarter, I want to provide our initial outlook for 2020 to help frame expectations for the fourth quarter.

Looking ahead, we expect to see revenue between $235 million and $239 million for the year, reflecting a year-over-year growth of 58% at the midpoint of the range, and an adjusted EBITDA loss of $105 to 110 million. As we did during our IPO, in an effort to be transparent and given all the moving parts and uncertainty amidst the COVID-19 crisis, I want to provide a few high-level thoughts on framing 2021.

Visit forecast remains uncertain. As discussed during our IPO, what we initially saw from the data from the Southern Hemisphere flu season has played out in the beginning of Q4. Thus, we continue to expect lower than normal flu volumes, supporting the theory that COVID-19 social distancing results in fewer flu incidents.

Regarding R&D, we expect the increased spend we discussed during the IPO to continue into 2021, and potentially for the entire year, and maybe at elevated levels versus those experienced in the latter part of 2020. As a reminder, this additional COVID-related spend discussed during the IPO was driven by foundational changes in sentiment to use digital connectivity as part of mainstream healthcare.

We continue to aggressively expand the platform for anticipated future demand and have accelerated new solutions development driven by our customers' demand to broaden requirements to move more care into the cloud. Finally, highlighting that the substantial visit growth we experienced in 2020 while supporting our members during the pandemic has set an artificial, heightened comparable revenue base upon which to measure us on a year-over-year basis next year.

While many of you have already correctly accounted for the year-over-year trends based on normalized metrics, I simply am pointing this dynamic out due to the heightened comparative base. In closing, I'd like to reiterate how thrilled we are to be able to report such a strong performance for our first quarter as a public company. Going forward, we feel well-capitalized for growth and positioned to maintain a leadership position in the telemedicine market. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Ido for his closing remarks.

Ido Schoenberg
Chairman and CEO, Amwell

Thank you, Keith. Before turning the call over to your questions, I would like to take this time to thank our investors, new and old, for your trust and faith in us and in our mission. I would also like to use this opportunity to thank the amazing one Amwell team for putting our customers and community first, especially during the past few months, in delivering awesome.

You should be very proud, as Roy and I are, in the incredible work you're all doing. Digital care delivery is already transforming healthcare. We believe this is only the beginning. There is still much work to do and a huge opportunity to dramatically improve clinical and financial outcomes. I am confident that Amwell is well-positioned to contribute significantly to our community and leverage these strong tailwinds to create much value also to our shareholders. I look forward to meeting you all when it is possible again, and to keeping you up to date with our progress. We will now open the call to questions. Operator?

Operator

At this time in order to ask a question you will need to press star one on your telephone. To withdraw your question please press the pound key. We'll pause for just a moment to compile a Q&A roster. Your first question is from Ricky Goldwasser of Morgan Stanley.

Ricky Goldwasser
Managing Director, Morgan Stanley

Yeah. Hi, good evening, and congratulations for first quarter out of the gate. A couple of questions here. First of all, when we think about the implied guidance for the fourth quarter, there's some acceleration in sequential revenue decline. If we exclude the pull forward of demand and the special programs, what would sequential decline be in the fourth quarter versus the third? What are you assuming in terms of COVID impact to fourth quarter utilization?

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Thanks, Ricky. It's Keith. Simply put, we haven't factored COVID into Q4 visits. With visits being at the peak of the crisis, almost 50% of our revenue, there's a potential that revenue could increase. There was some pull forward of CarePoint revenue, as I said, during my part of the call. Overall, we haven't factored what we're seeing right now in some hotspot areas in terms of visit increases.

Overall, we feel really good about the business. All the other areas are performing as planned as we laid out and discussed during the IPO. It's just a matter of where we see or where we originally forecasted the visits when we went public two months ago.

Ricky Goldwasser
Managing Director, Morgan Stanley

Okay. You talked about the accelerating new solutions to meet clients' demand. Can you talk a little bit about what type of demand and what type of modules you're seeing from your prospective clients? What models are you selling to existing clients that are looking to add on what they already have?

Ido Schoenberg
Chairman and CEO, Amwell

I'm sorry, Ricky, can you hear me now?

Ricky Goldwasser
Managing Director, Morgan Stanley

We can hear you now. Yeah.

Ido Schoenberg
Chairman and CEO, Amwell

Great. It's good to hear your voice, and thank you for your questions and your support. In essence, we had a really interesting year. I'm sure all of us did. During COVID, our clients were laser-focused on literally surviving, physically, operationally, and financially. Our average deployment time of four months was reduced to sometimes to two weeks, and we just pushed systems so we can really fight and survive the crisis.

As the crisis somehow subsides, although we're not really sure for how long and for how much, our clients actually realized the huge value of telehealth in a way that was surprisingly violent. Just to give you some numbers, you may have seen a recent survey that showed that if last year 8% of consumers have been using telehealth, this year it's 22.

If providers have been using telehealth, 22% of them have been using telehealth last year, this year, 80% of providers have been using telehealth, and over 90% of them said that they are going to continue and use it after COVID. When you look at the mix between AMG and non-AMG, that also changed very dramatically, where 73% of our visits are currently non-AMG.

That means many things. Obviously, many of these people are specialists. They're usually trusted providers with full access to the record that can see patients in person and really cover the full continuum of care. I would suggest that what we're seeing is nothing short of historical change in the readiness to accept digital connectivity as a legitimate main pathway of care.

That's a big difference between the use of telehealth as a call center for acute care or urgent care, but to something that is used really all over the place for infinite numbers of modalities. In the same way that EMRs at the beginning were very simple, telehealth became something much bigger. Complex care is moving home and with it enormous needs of our clients.

The needs really are across the entire model of care, from accessing much more information that you need to collect from remote patient monitoring and many other resources, to better analytics, to new care plans that need to be charted, taking advantage of this new information, new ways to engage consumers, new ways to connect with providers in a way that is fully integrated with payers, and delivering on last mile.

The list is very long, and it's coming from really all over the place from our clients that all of a sudden, this year, through the tailwind of COVID, are ready to make the leap and make the jump to really completely change their business, the way that they do business. As such, we decided that we need to accommodate this enormous demand by accelerating a lot of our development in all those areas.

Of course, when I say that, some of this development will be done by partners, I mention Google and others, and we are definitely going to be as inclusive as we can, trying to not do anything that is already done by someone else, but rather integrate these capabilities. Some of it may be non-organic, in case there is another group that is doing it better than us or has some serious advantage. Some of it, as Keith mentioned, will be done by further expanding and accelerating development plans that we had, thinking about a future that really realized much faster than anyone could have predicted.

Ricky Goldwasser
Managing Director, Morgan Stanley

Just one quick follow-up on that. When we think about the new products that you introduced, Amwell Now and the tablet, the CarePoint tablet, I think about it as market expansion also into the primary care market. Are we thinking about this correctly? Can you maybe kind of help us think of how you're quantifying that incremental market opportunity in addition to the market opportunity that you identified on the IPO?

Ido Schoenberg
Chairman and CEO, Amwell

Sure. In essence, we are trying to really match and listen very carefully to our clients and try to create things that are very helpful for them in this very new normal and new time. The Amwell Now product that you just mentioned is answering a need that is very simple. Many of the delivery networks are struggling also financially.

They don't have the capital or operational resources to integrate a very large system very quickly, and they need something that is still HIPAA compliant, very secure, ready to go, and fully future ready to integrate into more sophisticated, elaborated requirements that they may have. While at the initial part of the crisis, they've been using commercial tools that we all know and use as consumers. These tools proved to be very problematic in a number of ways that I just mentioned.

Therefore, there was a need for this very simple product that doesn't cost very much, that can deploy very quickly, to simply connect providers to patients. Others, that does not replace the need for robust platforms that do many other things that are not a part of the scope of the Amwell Now feature, but it's really truly a starting point that allows you to wire and bring many more providers into the mix in a fraction of the time.

The tablet software is another example. In many cases, you have lots of tablets in your organization, and you may not have the time or the resources to buy or acquire dedicated devices, but you still need fleet management, and you still need a lot of capabilities that we can offer through this new software, so you can realize connectivity very quickly and very effectively for your organization.

When we look at it, we don't see that as a new market, but rather as diversification of our offering to allow our different customers to use the right tool at the right time, knowing that when they need to use different capabilities and different tools, they have that option through a single infrastructure. Of course, the fact that we are ramping up so many providers, it's really staggering if you think about it.

We went from 4,000 active providers to 58,000 within a year, and that doesn't seem to stop anytime soon. That capability, all those services, are not only relevant to our health systems clients, it's very relevant to the greater ecosystem, namely employers, payers, even government, that could benefit from it. When we think about new tools that fit the needs of providers, we don't only think narrowly on providers, but rather we think about the entire community who is leveraging the single platform.

Ricky Goldwasser
Managing Director, Morgan Stanley

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Robert Jones of Goldman Sachs.

Robert Jones
Managing Director, Goldman Sachs

Great. Thanks for the questions and congrats on the first earnings call here. I guess maybe just to go back, Keith, to some of the comments you made around behavioral. Obviously, that's a rapidly growing and important area in the tele space. Could you talk a little bit just to the clinical capabilities and professionals you feel like you have there today? Do you feel like you have the infrastructure to meet not only the demand today, but as we look out over the next several quarters, just given how coveted this physician group is?

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

If you recall, we bought a company called Aligned Telehealth back in 2019, and that was focused on the highest security of the behavioral sector. telepsychiatry within the four walls of the hospital as well as once people are discharged. We also have psychiatrists and therapists that sit within our specialty care visits, and they make up the far majority of the visits there.

Q2 was a peak across the board for all the visits. Q3, I would say after the first month really started to taper off as you saw of the overall visits. Surprisingly, and I guess it's just a state of the mental health of the general population, we saw and are seeing it continue, spikes in both the specialty care, mainly the behavioral, as well as the telepsychiatry visits coming back.

Now, specifically on the telepsychiatry, a lot of the emergency rooms were shut to anything but very high emergency COVID-related patients or acute like car accidents or heart attacks or whatnot. They've since opened for emergency psychiatric situations. We're starting to see those come back as well. Coming off the peak of Q2, we are seeing just an overall decline in the visits from the peak.

Robert Jones
Managing Director, Goldman Sachs

No, that makes sense. I think, Keith, I wanted to go back just for a point of clarification on what the non-AMG visits did sequentially. I was just curious if you could maybe weigh back in on that. I thought on our math, we would've thought they would've been up sequentially. I believe you said they were down sequentially.

I guess, more importantly, beyond the numbers, any insight you can share on the type of visits you're seeing relative to what you'd seen year-to-date? I'm thinking just in the context of new use cases versus more visits, versus potentially more visits per provider. Just any context there would be helpful.

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Ido touched on this thematically in his opening remarks. We are not a call center, so when you look at what's happening within the platform visits, the non-AMG visits, we're seeing a nice steady increase in the scheduled visits, which means that specific doctors are increasing the level of care that they're delivering to their specific patients virtually, and that's the name of the game for our company.

That's the vision that Ido and Roy had when they took the company public and we're seeing, yes, it took a pandemic to convince some of the physicians and some of the patients, but we're seeing those trends continue, and that's really what we're all about.

While you see, obviously, during the peak of the pandemic, a lot more interactions with people worried about having COVID, not able to get care in other places. We are seeing the overall volumes decline, but we are seeing if you unpack those numbers, increases in the areas that are confirming and showing continued embracement of receiving care virtually.

Ido Schoenberg
Chairman and CEO, Amwell

Robert, I would like to maybe complement that. COVID is an anomaly. When people are locked in their home, they have to talk to a doctor, whether it's ideal or not. COVID, in our opinion, was really an accelerator of showing many providers that they can effectively communicate with their patients, and indeed, the lion's share of our visits today are between existing providers and their patients, and these are non-AMG visits that are compensated through our subscription revenue from those health systems.

When people think about telehealth, they typically think about three use cases. It's really urgent care, behavioral health, and some kind of provider-to-provider connectivity capability. Of course, there are a few more, that's the lion's share of the market. In our case, we literally are talking about hundreds of use cases. There are really too many to mention.

There are so many ways that our platform is supporting different utilities, and at our client forum and many other forums that we convene, you can read and see much more of those use cases. Essentially, we're seeing that mainstream healthcare is now using digital connectivity, and mainstream healthcare covers fully everything.

We are not selling the clinical service. Essentially, we are sending the connectivity into the clinical service and enveloping it with everything that is required in order to support it clinically, financially, and operationally. That's a fundamental change between us and many of the traditional telehealth companies.

Robert Jones
Managing Director, Goldman Sachs

No, I appreciate that. Thanks, Ido and Keith.

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Thanks, Rob.

Operator

Your next question is from Sean Wieland of Piper Sandler.

Sean Wieland
Analyst, Piper Sandler

Hi. Thanks, let me add congrats on your IPO and your first call here. You started at the top saying number of providers is the KPI that we want to watch. Can you just go into a little more detail on your ability to drive that? How do you drive the number of providers and the level of visibility you have on that into Q4 in 2021?

Ido Schoenberg
Chairman and CEO, Amwell

Hi, Sean. Again, good to hear your voice, and thank you for asking a very important question. It's not easy. It's not easy to onboard providers and retain providers. There are many obvious things and many less obvious things that one needs to do in order to support providers. The first thing, and I'm not sure about exactly if it's the right order of things, but they're all very important things, is integration into workflow.

You really need to make sure that digital connectivity is as simple and as integrated as possible. The work that we do with the like of Cerner, Epic, and many others, but especially Cerner, because they've been, I think, doing enormous amounts of investment together with us, is demonstrative of that type of effort. The second element is to offer enough transparency and integration of the digital visit so it's covered, so it's reimbursed.

There are many things we don't control, like a CMS reimbursement in some cases, or even commercial payers reimbursing for different CPT codes. What we do control is the ease of use of collecting co-pays, submitting claims, and things of that nature, and that's very helpful. So far, I think these things are pretty obvious to people.

There are many other things that are less obvious, because if we stop here, that would be kind of generic. We believe that as providers shift into risk, and in general, also are very motivated to really improve the care they give to their patients and doing it in the most efficient way, there are so many other things we can do to help them.

If they can get compensated to keeping their patients in their home, whether it's post-surgery or in the community with my own patients, our ability to integrate into remote data monitoring devices or things of that nature, analyze the information, and present it in a smart way is a very important example of service that we believe is important for providers.

If we can get the attention of their patients with different engagement tools, that's another way of helping the providers. If we allow them to use automation in some ways to create care plans that they feel good about and integrated in. We don't really believe in DM in the silo that is parallel to the main pathway of care, but rather an integrated effort between providers and automation that is really focused on achieving a singular goal, that's very helpful.

In way of a trend, I am talking about really two things. I am talking about the ability to move telehealth from transaction to recurring capabilities. Some of them are automated, some of them are physical. If we can help doctors spend only the appropriate physical time with their patients and allowing other communication modalities to prevail, that's very helpful for everyone in many ways.

The other element is inclusion. If our system, our platform is an island and it doesn't allow many participants to be present in a very dynamic way, we are missing out on a lot of contribution. It doesn't really matter if it's a medical device or a new natural language processing or translation capability or post-discharge follow-up with the patients with reminders or things of that nature.

What you should expect from us is really to listen very carefully to the list of requirements of how providers are looking to manage their patients and get paid for managing their patients successfully in the future, and how can we allow them to integrate those capabilities into an interface that is familiar, is simple, intuitive for them.

I know I said a mouthful, and as you can tell, I can talk for a little longer too, but that's what we're building. That's how we plan to continue and earn the hearts and minds of providers. We have 150 delivery networks that are using our platform today. We have some really interesting dialogue with them. We listen very carefully to what they need.

With Amwell Now and other products, we are going down market now to organizations that are smaller and more narrow in their agenda, but just as important in the community. Getting to the provider is one thing, and I think that your question really alludes to the bigger question, which is how can you make it sticky? How can you add value all the time to those providers so they remain engaged and operate and provide the care that they normally care through our platform? I think that we need to earn that right every day, and we definitely have big plans on how to do that.

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Sean, when you get the Q or when you read through the Q, you're going to be able to see, it breaks apart the overall increase in active providers. The lion's share is coming from our customers' own providers, the plans and the hospital systems. If you further, and we don't go into this detail in the Q, but it's more leaning towards the specialists, the higher acuity doctors wanting to have this functionality to be able to further deliver care.

If you look at the increase in the AMG doctors, we slightly increased it. It's mainly, I think as Bob asked earlier, we're adding more and more specialists. We're seeing huge spikes in that part of our business, rather than simple urgent care doctors. It's the non-AMG that we're really monitoring and seeing the expansions in the areas that get us really excited.

The Amwell Now product, as Ido said, is really going to bring into the fold those doctors who are on the peripheral, into delivering care virtually with a much simpler product that is still on the platform, but it's a Zoom-like product.

Sean Wieland
Analyst, Piper Sandler

That's all very helpful. A lot to unpack. I will leave it there. Thanks for your time.

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Thanks, Sean.

Ido Schoenberg
Chairman and CEO, Amwell

Thank you, Sean.

Operator

The next question is from Kevin Caliendo of UBS.

Kevin Caliendo
Managing Director, UBS

Hi. Thanks for taking my call, guys. Hopefully, this one will be a little bit simpler. We were hoping to get a breakdown of subscription revenues between the health system and the health plan, I guess, thinking about going forward, how that mix might change for you guys in terms of subscriptions as we look towards 2021, and you said earlier, providers, up to 80% of them are now using telehealth. Is that a fully penetrated market? Is there still opportunities where people just aren't up to speed on their telehealth offerings?

Ido Schoenberg
Chairman and CEO, Amwell

While we're not prepared maybe to break down the numbers on your first part of the call, I'll be thrilled to maybe start answering the second part. The role of telehealth and digital connectivity is enormous. It's not a binary thing. It's not a transaction. It's the beginning of connectivity with patients that has, really, a giant canvas of opportunity.

The fact that 80% of providers in the United States this year were exposed for the first time to telehealth is very exciting. I have to assume, though, that that transaction was relatively simple per design. They were locked in their home, or patients were locked in their home, and they just connected through a very simple modality of video or even phone, maybe in some cases. It did open the floodgate in having many providers realize that that's an opportunity.

The connectivity, which is not only counted in visits, and that's a really important thing to realize. We are not a visit company. We're also not trying to sell visits or sell clinical services, but we are rather creating connectivity among the players in order to interact in a new way, which we think has enormous promise. Therefore, we see that first step is only that.

We believe that the value that could be generated by connectivity is not only great clinically, we also think that it will generate a lot of value to different participants, and as a result, also will allow us to monetize the value that we generate with the different participants. To help maybe quantify it somehow, when you onboard a provider, you are creating a virtual network.

The ability of interacting with this provider is not only important to the provider or the patient, it's also very important to the employer. It's also very important to the payer, in some cases, to the government, to the risk bearers, and many others that participate in this process. We will be laser focused. However, if you disconnect this provider, a lot of this goodness is not possible. Long story short, this is a starting point and certainly not an endpoint to what's possible with onboarding new providers to Amwell.

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Kevin, I can't let the first part of your question totally go. Things are playing out as expected from the IPO, except a couple of the aspects of visits that we discussed earlier on. The newer products that we are rolling out really are bringing, and we discussed this also during the IPO, the health plan subscription parts of the revenue, versus the even mix between visits and subscriptions on the plans. It's really, as we discussed, the flywheel. It's really starting to increase and bring more of the subscription part of the business over to the plan side.

Kevin Caliendo
Managing Director, UBS

Okay, that's really helpful, guys. Thanks so much.

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Thanks, Kevin.

Ido Schoenberg
Chairman and CEO, Amwell

Thank you, Kevin.

Operator

The next question is from Jailendra Singh of Credit Suisse.

Jailendra Singh
Managing Director, Credit Suisse

Yeah, thanks, congrats on the first quarter as a public company. Apologies if I missed this, did you give outlook for AMG visits or total visits for the fourth quarter?

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

No, we didn't. As you know, we're going to provide that on annual guidance. Given what we're seeing across the country, and unfortunately, some extreme hotspots in certain areas of the U.S., it's the most volatile aspect of our business, and that's why we did not guide for that for the rest of the year.

Jailendra Singh
Managing Director, Credit Suisse

Okay. That's fair. You also made a statement that the current consensus seems to be reflecting your view about less flu visits or some headwinds on visits next year. Is it fair to say that your views about the visits in 2021 has not necessarily changed over the past two to three months?

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Jailendra, we're going to give guidance in February for next year. We're still monitoring it. We want to see how the flu season plays out. We are seeing some big spikes in certain areas of the country. It's just premature to say what we're going to see next year. We're hoping these spikes didn't happen for the greater population, but we are seeing them. I'm just going to reserve that until we give full year guidance.

Jailendra Singh
Managing Director, Credit Suisse

Fair point. On the gross margin of 32.7% the quarter, you had impact from low margin AMG visits during COVID. How should we think about the gross margin sequential trend in fourth quarter? When we think about your long-term gross margin target of 50%, can you talk about the drivers to get there? What could be the potential source of upside to your target there?

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Yeah. As we discussed on the IPO, our specialty visits, there's massive economies of scale. For the specialists, they are more expensive, and to be able to make sure, we have to hit our SLAs, and return the calls under five minutes. For all the states that we offer specialist care, you have to have a certain number of specialists on there to make sure that you meet those SLAs.

There's massive economies of scale. They're more expensive providers. Once we further expand that business and made us excited seeing the ability to support those specialist visits, those behavioral visits in the quarter, the spikings that we're seeing, that will accelerate the margins in that area. The other aspect of gross margins for this quarter is, we said that there was an acceleration for CarePoint, given the COVID recovery funds.

Those are lower margin business as well as there were two very targeted marketing programs, by two large healthcare health plans. That is lower margin business as well. In terms of Q4, we are expecting the gross margins in this quarter that we thought at the time of the IPO. There's some aspects when there are hosting expenses that come in Q4 as well as some other aspects of our business that happen in this last quarter of the year. You will always have all things being equal, a lower margin quarter, versus the other remaining three quarters.

Jailendra Singh
Managing Director, Credit Suisse

All right. Thanks.

Ido Schoenberg
Chairman and CEO, Amwell

Maybe more generally on this, if you think about our business, there is what I call the business of the past somehow, and the business of the future. When you look into the past, traditional telehealth is we're going to hire a bunch of doctors and we're going to try to sell them for a margin to sell visits. When you look into the future, doctors and other participants are going to use our platform in order to interact with each other in a new way.

As the proportion of the call center-like businesses diminishes versus the proportion of technology enablement, obviously, like any type of technology, the margins are very different, and you can see this shift, but it's not going to happen overnight. It's still very important to offer those services today.

Over time, as more and more providers in the community assume their role in connecting with their own patients and other patients that trust their brand, you're going to see improvement in margins. That's one element. The second element is care itself is going to rely less on people and more on automation.

If patient care today really includes almost holistically an interaction with a person that is very expensive and not necessarily accessible, a lot of the interaction will leverage all the goodness of AI, analytics, and many other tools that are going to make the human time much less and the automated time much more. That does not discount the value of the automation. There could be enormous amount of intellectual property from clinical innovation that is still very valuable, but very high margin as you deploy it.

As a result, you can democratize healthcare. You can offer great care to many more people. As you do that, you do that very efficiently. In the next two years, you should definitely expect our margins to evolve over time. Nothing in healthcare is overnight, but that's the trajectory that we are going as a technology company, and that's very, maybe confusing to some that are used to look at telehealth as a service company. We are a technology company, and you're going to see more and more of that in the next few years.

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Jailendra, I'm looking back at my notes from the IPO. This is an area that I know you were focused on. If you think about the flywheel on the health plan side, and with the new products that are coming out and the evolution of virtual primary care, you are eventually going to see those visits revenues, lower margin revenues, transfer into subscription revenues like we're seeing on the health system side.

It's like we talked about at the IPO, more of the new products coming out on the plan side, transferring that visit revenue, lower margin visit revenue fee for service into subscription revenue. On the health system side, just the continuation of what they're doing there and the increase in what gets our company so excited, monitoring the non-AMG providers, our customers' providers.

Jailendra Singh
Managing Director, Credit Suisse

Perfect. Thanks.

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Thanks, Jailendra.

Operator

Your next question is from Charles Rhyee of Cowen.

Charles Rhyee
Managing Director, Cowen

Yeah. Thanks for taking the questions, and congratulations as well on your first quarter out here. I wanted to follow up on a couple points that has come up here. One, you guys mentioned that a lot of the affiliated visits reported here were actually scheduled. Keith, I don't know if you guys gave the %, but is there a % that you can tell us of how many of those visits were actually scheduled versus sort of on-demand?

Secondly, if we think about that going forward, and obviously we have a lot of physicians on the platform today, but if we think about sort of the higher or the higher performing physicians, particularly in the specialists, is there a way for you guys to know what % of their total daily volume is virtual versus physical? Is there any way to kind of get a sense of how much of their practice is shifting to virtual for those who are taking the most advantage of it?

Ido Schoenberg
Chairman and CEO, Amwell

Hi, Charles. Again, good to hear your voice. Good to have you with us. We are new to the public market, we really try to focus on certain KPIs that are clearly helpful for everybody to really understand our progress year-over-year. We're making a conscious effort not to break down too many things that may be providing some pieces of information that over time are not showing the full picture. With your permission, I will confine myself to give you more directional answers.

I would say that what's very, very clear is that once people emerge through the main crux of COVID, sometime in September into now, in last few months, they are now having many discussions with us about the new normal, about how to implement infrastructure for connectivity that is per design hybrid.

The popularity of virtual primary care that we worked on for the last few years, and other elements that we created is really conducive or indicative to this trend. How fast will it go? I'm not entirely sure. I think it will be faster than we hoped before, that's for sure, because of the readiness of all the players, including the payers, to cover and participate in those hybrid modalities. Scheduled visits require many things that we are developing. It requires, for example, very good consumer engagement and ways to interact with those available schedules, deep integration into EMR and many other things.

I would say directionally, that you're going to see a continued trend of non-AMG providers using our platform more often, with greater and greater proportion of people that are doing it on a scheduled basis as more and more specialty care is becoming available on our platform. The likelihood of finding my oncologist or ophthalmologist on-demand is literally nonexistent.

Of course, you need to do scheduling. The story is not only in those transactions, the story is how to virtualize the full care team and how to automate as much of their goals as possible so the time spent with them is as effective as possible.

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Charles, it's something that we monitor internally and really, it conveys to us the success of our products in terms of the pandemic, delivering care virtually. Was it forced upon people? Yes. Is it continuing? Is it now a concrete part of the healthcare delivery medium? Absolutely. That's one of the things. Scheduled visits means patients are embracing it.

Physicians are telling their patients, "We can do this virtually." It's just an internal benchmark or litmus test as we come out of the pandemic. It's not insignificant, but it's just something we don't want to report publicly.

Charles Rhyee
Managing Director, Cowen

Yeah. No. I appreciate that, and I understand that. Just to follow up, going back to the fourth quarter guide here, is it right to think that the sequential decline is really tied to the visit revenue? I'd imagine subscription revenue, generally speaking, shouldn't.

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Yeah

Charles Rhyee
Managing Director, Cowen

whip around like that. Is that fair?

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Yeah, of course.

Charles Rhyee
Managing Director, Cowen

Okay. You mentioned that there was some spend from a managed care client for some programs. Is that set separately or that would have been a subscription revenue, but that does not necessarily repeat?

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Oh, no. They were marketing programs. You'll see that in the CarePoint and services. There are some of the older health system contracts that have immediate recognition of their increased volume. Those fees are like a toll on the platform. We take a toll. The new contracts are like the cellphone plan that we discussed during the IPO.

There was some component of that in Q3. We don't project that. We don't forecast those toll expenses because they're the old contracts. I guess directionally it's showing what's happening for our health system customers. There was a lot more unexpected volume that they were delivering care virtually. Thus some of the increase in subscription.

Charles Rhyee
Managing Director, Cowen

Okay, thanks. Ido, if I could just ask one more.

Keith Anderson
CFO, Amwell

Of course.

Charles Rhyee
Managing Director, Cowen

You mentioned the ability to do scheduled visits requires sort of deep integration into the health systems, EMR, et cetera. Earlier in the pandemic, clearly you noted that physicians in an attempt to connect with their patients were just using anything available. Are you hearing from your health system clients then, as they look to drive greater integration for telehealth into their daily workflow, getting their physicians off of those other platforms and back onto Amwell or to whoever they're using?

Ido Schoenberg
Chairman and CEO, Amwell

Yes, absolutely. Obviously, I cannot speak for all our clients. There are many of them. I would say that the initial frustration that you saw with very simple video conferencing tools and so on, made sense when there was a war, when there was no other choice, but very quickly showed some very serious deficiencies in number of critical areas.

I mentioned the security and in regulations, many other things as well. Some of our clients actually prohibit the use of those tools anymore, are moving all their doctors to different elements of our platform. The Amwell Now product is extremely helpful because it gives you the feel of those very simple connectivity tools, getting you all the benefits of ability to interact with a platform that is infinitely a healthcare platform, which is much more reliable.

I still believe that the simple connectivity tools were helpful, are not going to be enough for the new normal, for a long list of reasons. There are many things that are missing, and we're glad to see many of our clients feel that way too. I would, for example, share that about 40 of our clients already adopted the beta version of Amwell Now, which was pretty surprising. We didn't expect that much of a warm welcome also because it's really a much better replacement to non-healthcare tools that are used by many providers.

Charles Rhyee
Managing Director, Cowen

Great. Thank you.

Operator

We have time for one last question. You have a question from Ravi Misra of Berenberg Capital Markets.

Ravi Misra
VP and Equity Research Analyst, Berenberg Capital Markets

Taking the question. Look forward to being part of many more of these in the future. Just on the AMG paid visit kind of mix shift. You're talking about higher utilization of specialty care. Trying to figure out just how sticky should we assume that that ASP is in the following quarter.

I'm trying to understand also, you're saying you're not kind of factoring in much of a bolus from the kind of COVID mix shift here. Say there were to be one, how should we think about what lines of your revenue model would be impacted here? Would this be kind of a negative mix driver on your revenue per visit for AMG, or should we kind of assume that non-AMG would take care of most of that and lead to more subscription revenue?

Maybe I could put my second question right up front. Just on the Google partnership, just any more details beyond kind of, you're talking a little bit more about enhanced offerings or accelerated footprint in the U.S. Any other kind of information you could provide there would be great. Thank you.

Ido Schoenberg
Chairman and CEO, Amwell

Sure. You're absolutely right to assume that, look, our focus is driven by all the other indicators that are performing just as well or even better than during the time of our IPO. As a new company in the public sector, we really didn't want to include any forecast that relates to COVID surge, only because there is really no way to know how much this is going to happen, and our opinion is as good as others.

You are absolutely right to assume that if you're going to see COVID share, which is possible or even probable, according to some, you're going to see a surge in visits, if only to judge based on what we experience only a few months from now.

Very simply put, when people are locked in their home or when people are very anxious or obviously concerned or could be even sick, the access to telehealth is often used, and we've seen it many times. They're likely to use every tool in their arsenal, but the most popular tool would be going to the service, the benefit they receive from their employers and their payers, and hitting those services,

which means that they're going to hit on our AMG revenues, and you're going to see a very big spike in those revenues around respiratory, urgent care, things of that nature, that are related to COVID-like situation. That's the immediate spike that you're going to see. There are secondary, longer-term impacts of such potential surge. As a result, more people will be forced to encounter telehealth, some of them for the first time.

Even more doctors are going to do more telehealth, whether they like it or not, ready or not, and they're going to discover the benefits of that. As a result, we believe that the level of urgency, the level of acceptance of investment in telehealth connectivity platform is going to be further accelerated. It's not really broken. I don't think we need it.

I think the trend is very clear already based on what we all went through in the last few months. I don't think the company actually requires such a surge. As people, of course, we pray and hope that that will never happen. There is nothing good, but that's what it's going to do, in Q4, in case we're going to see that surge.

As it relates to Google, as I mentioned in my opening remarks, I really can't get into tactics, but I'm happy to give you a high-level description of the two main benefits that we see in this relationship. The first area of benefit is really product enhancements.

Even today, Google announced their innovation that relates to natural language processing, the ability to almost understand clinical text, and as a result, offer much better decision support to different participants, especially patients and providers. That's a great example. They have some other developments in AI, in consumer engagement, in device data collection, in cloud capabilities, and really many other things that are beyond the time that we have on the call.

You should assume that our technology teams are already working together very well to really understand this long list of assets and see how their incorporation into our offering could benefit our ecosystem. We've only been at it for a couple of months, but I can assure you that we are thrilled by what we found, by the synergies, and we work really well together.

You should definitely expect those things to show up in the market when we're done. The second element is the fact that Google is a global company. It really touches every place on Earth. We believe that unlike the service business of telehealth, which is very location-driven, the technology-driven, as we proved in Israel, for example, is really true almost anywhere. When you want to connect a group of patients with a group of providers, that's a universal appeal.

That's an unmet need that is true anywhere. With Google reach, we definitely plan to work together to bring our capabilities to any place on Earth. With tools that are increasingly simple, like the Amwell Now product that we announced this morning, we can do that in a way that requires much less barriers to be implemented by offering a lot of value.

We're going to continue to look at the same KPIs, both here and abroad, which is we really want to get to as many providers as possible, as quickly as possible, so they can make themselves available to as many people as possible, and then layer on as much support to those services so we can really improve financially and the clinical outcomes.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.