Greetings, and welcome to the ARKO Corp. fourth quarter 2025 earnings call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Jordan Mann, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.
Thank you. Good afternoon, and welcome to ARKO's fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings conference call and webcast. On today's call are Arie Kotler, Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, and Galagher Jeff, Chief Financial Officer. Our earnings press release and annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31st, 2025, as filed with the SEC, are available on ARKO's website at www.arkocorp.com. During our call today, unless otherwise stated, management will compare results to the same period in 2024. Before we begin, please note that all fourth quarter 2025 financial information is unaudited. During this call, management may make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
Please review the forward-looking and cautionary statement section at the end of our fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings press release for various factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from forward-looking statements made during our call today. Any forward-looking statements made during this call reflect our current views with respect to future events, and ARKO is under no obligation to update or revise forward-looking statements made on this call, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, except as required by law. On this call, management will share operating results on both a GAAP and a non-GAAP basis.
Descriptions of those non-GAAP financial measures that we use, such as Adjusted EBITDA and reconciliations of these measures to our results, as reported in accordance with GAAP, are detailed in our earnings press release or in our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31st, 2025. Additionally, management will share profit measures for our individual business segments along with fuel contribution, which is calculated as fuel revenue less fuel costs and exclude intercompany charges by our GPMP segment. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Arie.
Thank you and good afternoon, everyone. 2025 was a pivotal year for ARKO. We continued to execute on our transformation plan, fortified our foundation and sharpened our focus. We continued to optimize our retail footprint. We improved our cost structure. We positioned the company to continue the accreted growth across our four segments in 2026. Our strong fourth quarter results reflected that progress. Adjusted EBITDA grew 16% year-over-year to $66 million. Same-store merchandise sales trends improved. Margin expanded 140 basis points to 34.4%. Retail sites operating expenses were down 16% compared to the prior year period. Retail fuel same-store gallon trends improved as we exited the year with higher CPG. Let me be clear, these improvements are not to be viewed as driven by the macro environment. The consumer is still cautious.
They're still valued-focused. What you're seeing is execution across Dealerization, remodels, NTI retail stores, food service, and loyalty. We are running a better business. The results reflect that. Earlier this month, we closed the IPO of our subsidiary, ARKO Petroleum Corp., or APC. We issued approximately 11.1 million Class A shares at a price to the public of $18 per share. We own 35 million Class B shares, currently representing 75.9% of the economic interest in APC. This was a major milestone. This listing shine a spotlight on what has become a large, growing, and highly profitable wholesale fuel distribution and fleet fuel business. We've consolidated our wholesale, fleet fueling, and GPMP segments under the separately listed subsidiary. The result is greater transparency, clearer economics, and what we believe is meaningfully unlocked value for shareholders.
Until 2020, we were a pure play retail operator. Over the years, through acquisition, we built a large wholesale and fleet fueling platform. These assets have been strong. However, they complicated understanding our overall story. Our creation of APC allows both the retail business and the wholesale and fleet fueling businesses to stand on their own. We issued $200 million of new equity in the IPO to quality investors. Those proceeds were applied to reduce debt. Our balance sheet is stronger, our flexibility is greater. We're positioned to execute. What does post-transaction ARKO 2.0 look like? A core, stronger retail business concentrated in markets where we believe we are positioned to win. A standalone, publicly traded wholesale and fleet fueling business with an anticipated high conversion from Adjusted EBITDA to discretionary cash flow.
A conservative balance sheet, strong cash position, ample liquidity at a very attractive cost of capital, continued access to the capital markets, and a structure that offers investors greater visibility into each business and allows the market to value each business on its own merits. This is not just a structural change, it's a strategic inflection point. We now have two public companies, clear capital allocation, and a better ability to focus on what we can control in retail while working to drive consistent returns across both ARKO and APC. Here is the opportunity in APC. APC is one of the largest fuel distributor in North America. Over 2 billion gallons distributed in the last 12 months, and yet we have roughly only 1% market share. 1% in a highly fragmented industry. The runway for growth is substantial.
We see strategic, accretive opportunities to expand this platform, and we believe APC will be a key growth engine for ARKO going forward. Let's talk about Dealerization. This remains one of the most important levers in our transformation plan. As of year-end, we had completed 409 conversions. We have approximately 120 additional sites committed, either under letter of intent, under contract, or already converted since year-end, and we expect to complete those plus additional conversion by the end of 2026. This dealer-Dealerization strategy is delivering exactly what we said it would: reducing fixed costs, reducing maintenance CapEx, improving cash flow, and creating a more focused and regionally concentrated retail base. The Q4 results validate the strategy. The operating leverage is real. The cost improvements are showing up.
We are now seeing tangible benefits from stores converted in the last 12 months, as reflected by a more than $5 million benefit to operating income in the fourth quarter before G&A savings. Bottom line, Dealerization has sharpened our focus, improved execution, and it's now flowing through to financial performance. Turning to loyalty, our fas REWARDS platform and Fueling America's Future campaign continue to central to how we drive enrollment, engagement, trip frequency, and basket size. In Q4, loyalty members outperformed across the board, with enrolled members spend more than 48% higher than non-enrolled members. Loyalty customers also made 51% more trips to our stores than non-enrolled customers. Through 2025, since Fueling America went live, average daily enrollment is up 38%. This is consistent with what we said all along.
Loyalty is not just a promotional tool, it's a margin driver, a traffic driver, and a retention engine. In 2026, we're working on accelerating enrollment and launching a new version of the app with enhanced personalization and vendor-supported benefits. Loyalty remains underpenetrated across our network. We see significant runway ahead. Now to remodels. We're very encouraged by the early results from our food-forward remodel program. In Ashland, Virginia, our first remodel reopened in June 2025. In the first six months, on an average daily basis, sales grew 14%, gallons grew 12%, average daily sales more than doubled in four different categories, and the stores outperformed its pre-remodel period across 20 different categories.
In Mechanicsville, our newly remodeled store opened later in 2025. Through year-end, sales improved over 10%, gallons have grown over 20%, and post-remodel, the store has grown in 15 categories and doubled in 2 categories. We're targeting double-digit returns on remodels. Early performance is tracking at our or above those targets. Additionally, we are in the planning stages for approximately 25 remodels, which will feature the fas craves food and beverage elements. We're also expanding food and beverage in non-remodeled stores where space allows. Food penetration across our network of stores is growing. Every project is measured on ROI. Food is the differentiator. Now to NTI retail stores, our new-to-industry stores. These are purpose-built, newly designed stores, the blueprint for our future.
We opened 2 NTI retail stores in 2025 and a Dunkin' store, 1 more NTI retail store earlier this quarter, and another 1 earlier this week. 1 more NTI retail store and 3 Dunkin' stores are to be added later this year. We're targeting double-digit returns, and the 2 we opened in 2025 are already ahead of plan. These are high-visibility locations with simplified operations and food-forward layouts. On capital allocations, our priorities for 2026 are clear. We plan to further scale high return remodels, expand NTI retail stores selectively, and invest in NTI cardlock location in our fleet fueling business. These NTI cardlock locations typically generate attractive mid to high teens returns with minimal labor, while the cost to build is only $1 million-$2 million.
We are targeting 20 NTI cardlock locations this year in our investment CapEx plans, and have already identified and are working on 10 of these NTI cardlock locations. On the macro environment and Q1 2026 trends, the consumer is still value-focused. People are making deliberate choices. Baskets are being won through relevance, promotions, and convenience. We picked up market share in every nicotine category in 2025. OTP for the year was up 4%, and energy drinks were up 8%. Trends improved through the back half of 2025. We built momentum in Q4, and that momentum has carried into 2026. In January and so far in February 2026, we saw mid-single-digit growth in same-store merchandise sales and positive same-store gallons growth before winter storms at the end of January and the beginning of February created some disruption.
We're not going to over extrapolate from early data. Directionally, trends are improving versus where we were in early 2025. Bottom line, we believe that we have a lot of growth ahead of us with a strong balance sheet and ample liquidity to execute our strategy. Before ending the call off, I want to address an important leadership update. In December, we welcomed Galagher Jeff as our new CFO. Galagher brings deep retail experience and importantly, deep expertise in convenience and fuel sector. He held senior roles at Walmart and Dollar Tree. Galagher was most recently CFO at Murphy USA. I also want to thank Jordan Mann for stepping in as interim CFO and supporting the transition. With Galagher now leading the finance team at ARKO, Jordan served as CFO of APC while continuing as ARKO's Senior VP of Corporate Strategy, Capital Markets, and Investor Relations.
We're excited about the leadership team we assembled and what Galagher brings to ARKO at this pivotal time. With that, I will turn it over to Galagher to walk through our financial results and outlook.
Thank you, Ari. Good afternoon, everyone. I am grateful to be here at ARKO and excited to work alongside Ari and this entire leadership team. In my short time here, it's become quickly evident to me what an immense opportunity we have to scale the ARKO platform and dramatically enhance the growth and financial performance of this company. First, I want to thank and recognize the team. I've been impressed by the dedication, the talent, and the operational discipline in the field and at the support center. There's a strong foundation here that will take us forward. Second, I'm encouraged by what I'm seeing in the stores. We are improving our stores, and it is showing. Our trends improved as we exited 2025, and we've continued to see momentum into early 2026, even with some weather disruption.
Third, this stands out to me, it's the level of analytics and rigor in decision making, particularly around capital deployment and evaluating returns on every dollar we spend. That discipline is critical as we focus on the highest return levers in the business. Overall, I believe ARKO is entering an important phase. The work to simplify, reposition, and strengthen the company through transformation is largely behind us. Now, it's about translating that into consistent growth and improved financial performance. With that, let me walk through our fourth quarter and full year results and then discuss the outlook. Turning to our fourth quarter and full year 2025 results, net income was $1.9 million for the quarter, reversing a net loss of $2.3 million for the prior year.
Adjusted EBITDA was $65.7 million for the quarter, compared to $56.8 million for the prior year, an increase of 16%, reflecting the results of our transformation efforts, that we are improving merchandising margins, generating strong fuel performance, streamlining our business through Dealerization, and building significant expense discipline across the organization. For our retail segment, we delivered merchandising margin of 34.4%, an increase of 140 basis points versus the prior year. Same-store merchandise sales were down 3% for the quarter and down 4.1% for fiscal year 2025. Same-store merchandising sales, excluding cigarettes, were down 1.8% for the quarter and 2.7% for the full year. As Arie mentioned, our merchandising sales trend strengthened over the course of Q4. That momentum has carried us into early 2026.
Retail fuel same-store gallons also improved in Q4 and were down 4.1% for the quarter and down 5.4% in fiscal year 2025 versus the prior year periods. Retail fuel margins cents per gallon improved in Q4 to approximately $0.445. reflecting disciplined pricing in a relatively volatile environment. We remain focused on operating expenses. For the fourth quarter of 2025, site operating expenses decreased by $29.5 million, or 15.7%, compared to the prior year period, primarily due to $31.1 million of reduced expenses related to retail stores that were closed or converted to dealer locations. Same-store operating expenses were nearly flat, up 0.6%, as tight labor management and cost discipline in stores mostly offset increases in rent and wage rates. Turning to our wholesale segment.
Wholesale fuel contribution increased 8% to $24 million in the quarter, compared to $22.3 million in Q4 of 2024. Wholesale gallons also increased by 4% to 249 million gallons. Fuel margin was approximately $0.097 per gallon for Q4. For the full year 2025, wholesale generated $94.5 million of contribution, a 5% increase from $90.4 million last year, with total gallons increasing 4% to 989 million and fuel margin cents per gallon of approximately $0.096. Moving to Fleet Fueling segment. Fleet Fueling fuel contribution was $15.9 million for the quarter, compared to $16.3 million last year.
Fleet Fueling gallons totaled 34.9 million gallons compared to 36.1 million gallons. Margin was $0.456 per gallon. For the full year, Fleet Fueling generated $65.7 million of fuel contribution on 142.8 million gallons, with a margin of $0.460 per gallon. This compares to $64.3 million of fuel contribution on 149 million gallons last year. Fleet Fueling margins remain strong and continue to reflect the durable cash flow profile of this business. Adjusted EBITDA for the year was $248.7 million, flat to the $248.9 million in 2024. While top line performance remained pressured, structural improvements in margin and strong cost control helped to offset volume headwinds.
Net income was $22.7 million for 2025, as compared to $20.8 million for 2024. We are seeing results in the execution of our strategy, and our performance in nearly every area strengthened as we finished the year. Merchandising margin was 33.7%, up 90 basis points year-over-year. Same-store retail operating expenses remained flat for 2025 versus 2024, with our productivity initiatives and lower credit card fees overcoming headwinds with wage increases, expanded food programs, higher maintenance costs, and higher snow removal expenses. Merchandise same-store sales were down 4.1% for the year, and retail fuel same-store gallons were down 5.4% for fiscal year 2025, but both improved as we entered and exited Q4. Looking to the balance sheet.
We finished 2025 with $305 million in cash, and our balance sheet remains strong. Following the successful IPO of ARKO Petroleum Corp., we received approximately $184 million in net proceeds, which we used to reduce debt and enhance liquidity. The transaction positions us with a stronger capital structure and greater financial flexibility to execute our strategy as we enter 2026. Regarding capital allocation, we remain disciplined and focused on high return investments, including Dealerization execution, retail remodel expansion, retail NTI development, technology and analytics, and cardlock growth in our fleet platform. We remain comfortable with our levered ratio and have more than enough cash and liquidity to deliver our strategy and continue to build momentum with our capital initiatives mentioned above. Turning to 2026 guidance.
We currently expect 2026 Adjusted EBITDA to range between $245 million and $265 million, with an assumed range of average retail fuel margin from $41.5 -$ 43.5 cents per gallon. For sensitivity purposes, every 1 cent change in retail same-store CPG is estimated to result in $8 million-$9 million of Adjusted EBITDA. We believe 2026 same-store retail sales will be relatively flat and will improve several hundred basis points versus our 2025 results. We are planning same-store margin between 35.5% and 36.5%, also an increase versus 2025. As stated in the ARKO Petroleum Corp. prospectus, we expect our APC business to deliver approximately $156 million in Adjusted EBITDA in 2026.
As a reminder, APC includes the results from our wholesale, fleet fueling, and GPMP segments, including a $0.06 fuel margin on fuel distributed by our GPMP segment to our retail stores. Our estimated gallons for the forecast period include an assumption that we'll add an additional 50 million gallons in volume for the year ending December 31st, 2026, as a result of our acquisitions from third parties of businesses or assets in our wholesale segment, offsetting an estimated decline in gallons from comparable wholesale sites consistent with historical trends. We will continue to manage all of our controllable costs in both stores and in our office. ARKO will be a low-cost operator. To summarize, we are executing our transformation strategy and it is working.
... We fully expect to continue to show momentum and improve our performance in nearly every key metric in 2026. With that, I'll hand the call back to the operator to begin Q&A.
Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two to remove yourself from the queue, and for participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we pull for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Bobby Griffin with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.
Good afternoon, Arie. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess, Ari and team, I guess the first one for me is maybe on the merchandise sales for retail. Your guidance includes some notable improvement here further in 26. You know, we're getting towards the later innings of the Dealerization program. Can you maybe unpack some of the drivers of the further improvement? Is there more contribution coming from remodels? Just anything there to help us kind of get visibility into the confidence of that versus, you know, some of the trends we see here in 4Q?
Sure. Good afternoon, Bobby. Good to have you with us over here. You know, I think that the first thing is, of course, execution and our marketing initiative. As I mentioned, you know, we started with a Fueling America campaign back in the end of Q1 2025. Given that, you know, customers are looking for value, as we continue to move forward with this campaign, we saw an increase in loyalty transactions. We saw an increase in loyalty enrollment. You know, those drove, of course, customers to the core categories. That's the reason, you know, if you think about that, you saw a huge improvement. We actually gained market share in almost every nicotine, and, you know, item in the category.
OTP was up 4%, energy drink was up 8%. If you think about it, you know, those categories are high-margin categories. We believe that all of the marketing initiative that we had during the year, as we continue to basically to improve our initiative and improve those categories, I think that's what actually drove the margin increase and customer engagement within the stores. There's no question that food service help us as well. There is no question that every time when we remodel a store or build additional NTI that are actually progressing above our expectation, there is no question that those things drive directly to the bottom line.
It's not just one item, it's every little thing that we did this year, and as I said, most of it's really engagement to our loyalty program. I think, you know, customers, you know, keep coming because of those, basically, those promotions that we are actually putting out there. You know, we just upped our promotions from $2 off per gallon to $2.50 per gallon, given the 250 years, you know, American birthday this year. Now customers can actually save up to $50 for every 20 gallons that they are being, they're actually buying. Again, we believe all of those initiatives are the ones that drove, basically, sales, or at least drove margins inside the store.
As you mentioned, you know, I believe that given that the cost of fuel dropped during Q4 and was actually at the $2.50, I actually feel that because of that, customers coming more often to the store.
Okay. Very good. Maybe switching gears and talking about the remodels some. you know, don't wanna extrapolate out early results, you know, from only a few stores, but it does seem like the trends are promising. you know, can you explain a little bit on, you know, what's the cost to capital for that remodel? Then it seems from the release, maybe there's an opportunity for kind of a partial redesign, where you talk about, you know, taking some of the fas craves food formatting change and taking a few of those and putting them into other stores, but maybe not a full remodel. Can you talk a little bit about the capital of that type of remodel and what ultimately the opportunity could be?
Sure, sure. As you can assume, the first couple remodels that we did, which was a major remodel, it wasn't only the food, it was the entire store, from the outside to the inside, curb appeal, adding some space to the store. Those are the first two remodels that we did. And the cost of a typical remodel like this, it's approximately $1 million. Around $1 million, you know, between $900,000 - $1.1 million, but let's call it $1 million. There is no question that many of the other stores can go through a soft remodel, just adding the fas craves.
As a matter of fact, if those 25 locations that, you know, we are working on, you know, we are really, you know, in, you know, price engineering everything right now, how to reduce cost. There is a big difference between, you know, working on a couple of stores versus working on 25 stores at the same time. I believe at the end of the day, you know, we can go to a soft remodel that will cost us around a half a million dollars or so. Something between, you know, as I said, $400,000-$700,000 is probably a good number, you know, to stick.
Okay. That's helpful.
One more-
I guess, Ari or whoever on the team, when you kind of look at your retail base that you're gonna own post the Dealerization, I understand that you've given us some targets, but there's also some more.... What size or what percentage of the stores, post all this Dealerization that you're gonna own, do you think need a remodel of some sort?
I don't have the percentage, Bobby. I think that most of the stores that we are actually keeping have less capital, you know, intense in terms of what they need. I think those remodels, it's really not about just the curb appeal. It's really how do we, you know, add food service, like fas craves into those stores, and if it's not food service, what are the other categories that we can actually improve or actually we can add to the stores? I think the business itself, the stores that we are keeping, are, you know, many of them are, you know, stores that, you know, money was invested over the years.
I don't think it's really, you know, a question of capital, it's really a question of what do we wanna drive from these stores? As, as I said, food service is being one of the biggest initiatives over here. We are concentrating on stores right now that may not need a remodel, but we probably gonna just invest money in food service. Any place that we will be able to add fas craves, regardless the remodel, we will add actually fas craves into those stores, and there are plenty of them.
Bobby, just to build on that a little bit, Bobby, back to your question before, from the remodels, we're also trying to understand which elements of those remodels are working and driving results. Like Arie said, there's a lot of stores with some space, and we can take a low-cost approach to add the right assortment, add the right elements in those stores that don't require a full remodel, and still get a lot of the benefits. It's not a high capital expense, it's really trying to find the right elements that customers are responding to, mostly around the fas craves and the food, and getting those into more stores.
Understood. I'll jump back in the queue. Best of luck here, on the first quarter, and congrats on the announcement about your APC business.
Thank you, Bobby.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Daniel, I'm sorry, Guglielmo with Capital One Securities. Please proceed with your question.
Thanks. Hi, everyone. Thank you for taking my questions. In your opening remarks, you mentioned a still cautious consumer. In the prior quarter call, you highlighted the Midwest and other select markets as under pressure, with other regions being healthier. Are you still seeing that pressure in the Midwest, or is it more kind of broad-based now? Any additional color would be helpful.
I think the pressure in the Midwest continued to be probably the main pressure. I think I see some ease in the rest of the country, and that's going back, Daniel, by the way, to the point I made earlier, which is the minute the price of fuel broke $2.50 or went below the $2.50, we saw all of the sudden, you know, customers, you know, coming more often to the store. We see an increase in basically in gallons. We see an, you know, an increase in transaction, in baskets. I really think that, you know, I'm not an economist, but I think that given that price of fuel dropped below $2.50, I think that that's eased some of the, you know, some of the spending, with, you know, with our customers.
I don't think anything changed from, I'll call it, from a region standpoint or from, you know, from, what I discussed, earlier in the year. I just think that the initiatives and the promotions that we have out there, are just, you know, screaming to the customers, and I think that the customers are coming in and taking advantage of those promotions.
Okay, I appreciate that, and that makes sense. Then on the initiatives and the promotions, I saw y'all put out the $3, $4, $5, $6 value meal deals. Do those meals at those prices drive merchandise margin expansion on their own, or is it more of a way to kind of get customers in the door to increase basket size, do other things?
Yeah, that's a good question, Daniel. just to be clear, those promotions are being 100% supported by our vendors. This is not, you know, this is not promotions in order just to drive customers and actually lower margin. Our margins stay the same. Those promotions are being supported by our vendor partners. But there's no question that when you have those promotions, you know, that involve food service, those promotions, you know, not only bringing customers in, they're actually driving the rest of the categories, which is, you know, OTP, for example, candy, energy drinks. I think those promotions just, you know, continue to gain momentum with the other categories. And like I said, you know, those promotions bring customers, those customers turning to buy higher margin core categories, items.
You know, the more they come in and, you know, concentrate on the core categories, you know, cigarettes becoming a much smaller piece of the business, or it's much more a small piece of the pie, of what the customers are purchasing within our stores. Daniel, I just wanna be clear, this is all hard work by the team. You know, the merchandising and marketing team, you know, thinking every day how we can actually be different than, you know, the competition across the street, and how we can bring customers in. That's a lot of work. I wanna be just clear. It's a lot of work being put into this with loyalty, with food service.
That's what drove the results in Q4, as you can see, and that's, I believe, what drove, you know, basically, sales in Q1 so far.
Great. Appreciate it. Yep, you can see it in the numbers for sure. Thanks.
Thank you very much, Daniel.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Hale Holden with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you. I had 2 quick questions. The first one is, on the APC side of the business, if you sort of talk about what the M&A opportunity is there now that you have a separate currency and balance sheet to expand into fuel distribution?
Sure, sure. You know, I don't know how much, you know, I'm sure that some of you knows how big is the industry. You know, we're talking right now about an also business, a fleet business, within an industry of over 195 billion gallons. I mentioned it on the call. We only sell 2 billion gallons. It's a lot. We are one of the largest one in the country, but it's only 1% of the industry. We believe with APC, with our, basically, with our, capital that is available at a very low cost, we have over $635 million dollar available for acquisition. Our leverage is very, very low, and I think we have the track record of doing acquisition.
We did 26 acquisition involved retail over the past 11 years, I think in this fragmented industry, which is much more fragmented industry than the industry that we saw in retail, I believe that we're gonna be able to, you know, gain a lot of momentum over here. In addition to that, we are one of the largest, you know, cardlock operator in the country. That's the fleet business. you know, this is, you know, this is an industry that is also fragmented. We have, you know, we're targeting 20 new cardlocks in 2026. We already identified 10 of them. To build a cardlock, it's not expensive. It's around $1 million-$2 million, we're targeting, you know, mid to high teens returns.
Again, we believe that the opportunities now, when we have APC on its own, we believe that, you know, that's gonna be a big, big opportunity for us to continue to do accretive and acquisitions moving forward.
Great. Just kind of a dumb accounting question, you gave us the EBITDA guidance for the company and the EBITDA guidance for APC that was in the S1. Am I right in just implying that the retail business EBITDA is about $100 million for 2026?
You know, Hale, this is Galagher. There is some elimination there for the intercompany sales, so you can't just 1 + 1 = 2. Part of the wholesale business sales into our retail stores, we do eliminate that as a transfer. It's not exactly that simple. We do break down the segments in the release, so you can compare the segments and build the model. We're also gonna be a lot more transparent, as you would expect, with APC going forward. You know, shortly we'll be providing separate information and releases for those.
I figured it was not as simple as it was in my head, so I appreciate that, Galagher. Thank you.
We're happy to help if you need help, Hale.
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you. We have reached the end of the question and answer session, and therefore, I would like to hand it back over to the floor to Arie Kotler for closing remarks.
Thank you, operator. Before we disconnect here, I want to speak directly to our employees. The great results we discussed today are a testament to your hard work and resilience. Your dedication and commitment drive our progress every day, and we are deeply grateful for everything you do to support our mission and serve our customers. Thank you for your efforts and for being the foundation of our continued success. To our shareholders, thank you for your trust and partnership. Your continued support enable us to pursue our strategic goals and deliver value across our businesses. We are committed to maintaining transparency and working diligently to meet your expectation as we move forward together. As we head into 2026, our financial position remain robust, and our commitment to expanding through value-enhancing acquisition is stronger than ever. We appreciate your time. Have a great evening, everybody.
Thank you. This concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation. Have a great day.