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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

Apr 21, 2022

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Atlantic Union Bankshares First Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star, then 1 on your telephone. If you require any further assistance, please press 0. I would now like to hand the conference over to the speaker of today's call, Mr. Bill Cimino, Senior VP of Investor Relations. You may begin.

Bill Cimino
Senior VP of Investor Relations, Atlantic Union Bank

Thank you, Latonya, and good morning, everyone. I have Atlantic Union Bankshares President and CEO, John Asbury, and Executive Vice President and CFO, Rob Gorman, with me today. We also have other members of our executive management team with us remotely and in person for the question-and-answer period. Please note that today's earnings release and accompanying slide presentation we are going through on the webcast are available to download on our investor website, investors.atlanticunionbank.com. During today's call, we will comment on our financial performance using both GAAP metrics and non-GAAP financial measures. Important information about these non-GAAP financial measures, including reconciliations to comparable GAAP measures, is included in our earnings release for the first quarter of 2022. I'd like to remind everyone that on today's call, we will make forward-looking statements, which are not statements of historical fact and are subject to risks and uncertainties.

There can be no assurance that actual performance will not differ materially from any future expectations or results expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements. We undertake no obligation to publicly revise or update any forward-looking statement. Please refer to our earnings release for the first quarter of 2022 and our other SEC filings for further discussion of the company's risk factors and other important information regarding our forward-looking statements, including factors that could cause actual results to differ from those expressed or implied in a forward-looking statement. All comments made today on today's call are subject to that safe harbor statement. At the end of the call, we will take questions from the research analyst community.

Finally, before we begin, I would like to remind everyone of our upcoming Investor Day on May ninth, where you'll hear members of our management team go into greater detail on what we've accomplished and what the next three years should look like for Atlantic Union Bankshares. Registration and further details can be found on the advisory posted this past Monday on our investor website. I'll now turn the call over to John Asbury.

John Asbury
President and CEO, Atlantic Union Bank

Thank you, Bill, and thanks to all for joining us today. Atlantic Union Bankshares is off to a strong start in 2022. On the last quarterly earnings call, I noted that we were set up to start the year better than at any point in my 5+ years at the company, and that we did, tipping into low double-digit annualized loan growth, excluding PPP, and what has traditionally been a slow growth quarter for us. This both shows we have momentum and points to the organic growth potential of our franchise. As I've consistently stated, our operating philosophy of soundness, profitability and growth in that order of priority serves us well as we navigate the challenges of operating not just through a pandemic, but now through generationally high inflation, rising interest rates and geopolitical uncertainty.

While we recognize the pandemic is not yet over, restrictions in our markets have eased, and we're all becoming accustomed to the new normal of living with COVID-19. Our corporate office-based teams have returned to our buildings, and while some roles are now completely virtual, most work in a hybrid arrangement. While our team succeeded and arguably excelled over the course of this disruption, we're even better when we're physically together. What we do and how we do it is really all about our culture and our people, and we are committed to workplace flexibility as an opportunity to attract and retain talent. We'll continue to take a progressive view toward the changing nature of workplace expectations, and we'll adjust based on our actual experiences.

In scanning the horizon, we're incrementally more cautious about the implications of surprisingly high inflation, rapidly rising interest rates and geopolitical uncertainties such as the tragedy in Ukraine. While this will likely mute economic growth to some extent, as seen in the changes in Moody's forecast since last quarter, for the time being, we still don't see it derailing the fundamental positive trends of a growing economy, low unemployment, and a benign credit environment. We continue to believe that the Federal Reserve having already raised short-term rates and signaling multiple short-term rate hikes to follow throughout 2022 is a positive for us as we remain fairly asset sensitive. As a result, our net interest margin should expand from here. In addition to inflation and the consequences of the war in Ukraine, we still face headwinds from supply chain disruption and business clients challenged to fill open positions.

While we've said before we expected that to improve as the year goes on, now we're not so sure. Despite all of this, from our vantage point, we think American businesses have proven their resiliency and that all of this is manageable. Despite the headwinds and uncertainties, Atlantic Union has now had two consecutive quarters of low double-digit loan growth, with the first quarter coming in point-to-point at approximately 10.8% annualized, excluding PPP. Average loans on a linked quarter annualized basis grew 12.8%, excluding PPP. First quarter loan production is typically our seasonal low point, but this year's first quarter was different. Production, while not as high as the traditional peak of fourth quarter, was still higher than every other quarter over the last two years.

While runoff was down from Q4, it was still higher than the first quarter of last year, so loan growth remains mostly a production story for Atlantic Union Bank. New construction loan originations remain strong. Based on our unfunded construction loan commitments and funding schedules, this should be a tailwind for balances this year, just as it was for Q1. We were also encouraged to see C&I line utilization tick up each month of the quarter, ending the period at 30%, which is still well below our pre-pandemic levels. It is good to see this trend and commitment levels grow. We feel we have a lot of upside here as sales and working capital needs among our client base increase. Our pipelines remain strong, solid, well-balanced between CRE and C&I.

They're significantly higher than they were at this point in 2021, and they're also higher than at the end of the fourth quarter, which means that our strong Q1 growth did not drain the pipeline. We are encouraged by our competitive positioning, the market dynamics and economic strength in our footprint. All of that, plus our expanded lending capabilities, continue to lead us to expect upper single-digit loan growth for 2022. While some quarters may be better than others, one quarter does not a year make. With so much uncertainty remaining, we'll want to see more calendar behind us in 2022 before we consider moving off of our full-year expectation of upper single-digit loan growth.

Having said that, I would note we continue to believe we have a long runway ahead of us to grow, both organically and through takeaway from our larger competitors that dominate market share here in our home state of Virginia. This is supplemented by our operations in Maryland, North Carolina, and our specialized lending capabilities in government contract finance and equipment finance. Our asset quality continued to impress. Once again, the credit headline for the quarter was the absence of credit problems. Charge-offs net of recoveries for the quarter came in at +$4,000, a net recovery, or 0 basis points annualized. That's a slight improvement from last quarter's 2 basis points of net charge-offs, but back in line with the effectively zero base in last year's Q3 and Q2. Quarter after quarter, these are levels I have never seen in my nearly 35-year career.

At some point, credit losses are going to normalize. Given all the liquidity that remains in the system, the low unemployment rate, and a still fundamentally strong economy, we have yet to see any sign of a systemic inflection point. Its day will come. We just don't know when. In the meantime, I do enjoy the absence of heads-up phone calls from our chief credit officer. Back to macroeconomics. While the outlook may not be quite as good as last year, it's still good. Overall, we remain optimistic at this time. Here in our home state of Virginia, March unemployment came in at 3%, down from 3.4% in November, and that was the latest number that we had shared when we announced Q4 earnings. This is better than the national average of 3.6% for the same time period.

Having just again looked at the unemployment data for the country, there is no more populous state in America than Virginia with such a low unemployment rate. What has not changed is the challenge of businesses to fill their open jobs, and this will likely not resolve until we see more people return to the workforce. One would think that higher costs due to inflation and improved COVID-19 conditions may motivate more people to return to work. We'll see. Rob will talk through the provision for credit losses in our CECL modeling, as we posted an increase in the provision instead of releasing for the first time in a few quarters. As Rob will explain, this was due to strong loan growth, incrementally lower economic growth expectations, and the geopolitical and economic outlook uncertainties I mentioned before.

Turning to expenses, we did still have some noise from one-time charges remaining from December's expense actions, but less so than last quarter. We closed 16 branches at the beginning of March, and that was 12% of our current branch network. Since the start of the pandemic, we will have reduced our retail branch network by approximately 25%, or 35 branches. This reflects our recognition of changing consumer behaviors and better analytics on customer usage of the branch network and alternative delivery channels, and our need to continue to invest in our digital products and technology in order to respond to wage inflation pressures as well. Regarding expenses, Rob will take you deeper into the details in his comments, but we continue to expect that we will hold operating non-interest expense growth to 2% in 2020, following our usual seasonally higher expenses in Q1.

Our expense management actions, combined with upper single-digit loan growth expectations and our asset sensitivity, do give us confidence in our ability to generate positive operating leverage and differentiated financial performance while meeting our top-tier financial targets for 2022. From my perspective, with all of the uncertainties and challenges acknowledged, we are looking at a recipe for what could be the best organic growth footing I've seen in my 5 and a half years at the company. The powerful combination of a growth footing plus asset sensitivity in a rising rate environment, plus expense actions already taken, plus benign credit should equal top-tier financial performance. As we think about the future of our company and our industry, we want to more rapidly diversify our income streams, both in terms of net interest income and non-interest income.

While it's never been a large component of our non-interest income, as I mentioned the last call, we are making consumer-friendly changes to our non-sufficient funds and overdraft policies in Q3 that we expect to reduce our non-interest income by approximately $4.5 million-$6.5 million on an annualized run rate basis. Examples of coming actions include the elimination of non-sufficient fund fees for consumer accounts, fee-free overdraft transfers, lower overdraft caps, the establishment of a no-overdraft bank-owned certified checking product, and 2-day advance direct deposit payroll for ACH credits, allowing our customers to get paid two days early. With the rising rate environment, we expect to more than offset these lost fees with increases in net interest income. We are investing in new value-added ways to serve our clients to generate additional non-interest revenue over time.

We will say more about those plans as they develop at our upcoming Investor Day. One area beyond our core banking operations that we are focusing on is the digital asset ecosystem. As I mentioned in the last call, we began investing in fintech funds a few years ago. We've added to our position this year, and we're using those to inform our digital offerings and to vet and identify opportunities to enhance those offerings. We're also interested in new and emerging opportunities such as blockchain, which we think could prove disruptive to existing payment systems and infrastructure. To reiterate our growth strategies at a very high level, they are in order of priority. One, driving the organic growth and performance of our core banking franchise. Two, leveraging financial technology and fintech partnerships to drive transformation, generate new sources of income and new capabilities.

Three, selectively considering M&A as a supplemental tertiary strategy. This is an option we will preserve and consider under the right circumstances. As I've said before, we've come out on the other side of the pandemic as a stronger and more capable organization. We've learned to work differently, and our customers have learned to bank differently. This has enabled us to consolidate 25% of our branches since the pandemic began with better-than-expected customer experience acceptance. Despite the branch consolidations, we continue to grow our net consumer households. We continue to work on new projects and improve the omni-channel customer experience with quarterly releases and upgrades to our product offerings. We look forward to sharing what we've accomplished when we provide additional details at our upcoming Investor Day. Our goal remains to achieve and maintain top-tier financial performance regardless of the operating environment.

We continue to work on ways to make the company more efficient and scalable while improving and automating processes and the customer experience. All of this provides room for operating leverage improvements. As we turn the page on the first quarter, I remain confident in what the future holds for us and the potential we have to deliver long-term sustainable performance for our customers, communities, teammates, and shareholders. I'll now close, as I always do, by reminding that Atlantic Union Bankshares remains a uniquely valuable franchise, dense and compact in great markets, with a story unlike any other in our region. We're scalable with the right capabilities, the right markets, and the right team to deliver high performance even in the most trying of times. I'll now turn the call over to Rob to cover the financial results for the quarter. Rob?

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Well, thanks, John, and good morning, everyone. Thank you all for joining us today. Now let's turn to the company's financial results for the first quarter. Please note that for the most part, my commentary will focus on Atlantic Union's first quarter results on a non-GAAP adjusted operating basis, which excludes pre-tax restructuring costs of $5.5 million or $4.4 million after-tax expenses in the first quarter and the prior quarter's pre-tax restructuring costs of $16.5 million or $13.1 million in after-tax expenses, which was related to the closure of 16 branches and the company's operations center during March of this year. As a reminder, the company expects to lower its annual expense run rate by $8 million or $2 million on a quarterly basis beginning in the second quarter as a result of these strategic actions.

In addition, fourth quarter non-GAAP adjusted operating earnings excludes the pre-tax gain of $5.1 million or $4.1 million on an after-tax basis related to the sale of Visa Inc. Class B common stock in December 2021. In the first quarter, reported net income available to common shareholders was $40.7 million, and earnings per common share were $0.54, which was down approximately $4.1 million or $0.05 per common share from the fourth quarter. Non-GAAP adjusted operating earnings available to common shareholders in the first quarter were $45.1 million, and adjusted operating earnings per common share were $0.60, which was down approximately $8.7 million or $0.11 per common share from the prior quarter.

Non-GAAP adjusted operating return on tangible common equity was 12.69% in the first quarter. The non-GAAP adjusted operating return on assets was 0.98%, and the non-GAAP adjusted operating efficiency ratio reported in the first quarter is 58.86%. Turning to credit loss reserves, as of the end of the first quarter, the total allowance for credit losses was approximately $111 million, comprised of the allowance for loan and lease losses of $103 million and the reserve for unfunded commitments of $8 million. The total allowance for credit losses increased approximately $2.8 million in the first quarter, primarily due to net loan growth during the quarter and increased uncertainty in the macroeconomic outlook due to high inflation, tightening monetary policy, and geopolitical risks.

The total allowance for credit losses as a percentage of total loans was 82 basis points at the end of March, unchanged from the prior quarter. As a reminder, our day one CECL reserve was 75 basis points of total loans. The provision for credit losses of $2.8 million in the first quarter increased from the prior quarter's negative provision for credit losses of $1 million and a negative provision for credit losses of $13.6 million recorded in the first quarter of 2021, as the allowance for credit losses has normalized toward pre-pandemic CECL day one reserve levels. As John noted, net charge-offs remained negligible in the first quarter. Now turning to pre-tax, pre-provision components of the income statement for the first quarter.

Tax-equivalent net interest income was $134.3 million, which was down approximately $7.3 million from the fourth quarter, driven by lower PPP loan-related interest and fees of $8.4 million, as well as lower net accretion of purchase accounting adjustments of $2.2 million. These declines were partially offset by higher interest income due to average balance growth in the securities and loan portfolios from the prior quarter as excess cash was redeployed into these higher-earning assets.

In addition, other borrowing costs were lower by $1.2 million in the first quarter, driven primarily due to the acceleration of the unamortized discount related to the redemption of the company's subordinated debt incurred in the prior quarter. The first quarter's tax-equivalent net interest margin was 3.04%, which is a decline of six basis points from the previous quarter due to, comprised of a decline of eight basis points in the yield on earning assets, partially offset by two basis point decline in the cost of funds.

The decline in the first quarter's earning asset yield was driven by the 23 basis point impact of lower loan portfolio yields, partially offset by an increase of four basis points due to higher securities yields and the 10 basis point benefit from a more favorable earning asset mix as excess liquidity was deployed into higher yielding loans and securities during the quarter. The loan portfolio yield decreased to 3.49% in the first quarter from 3.81% in the fourth quarter due to the $8.4 million decline in PPP loan related interest and fees, which negatively impacted the first quarter loan yields by 20 basis points and the earning asset yield by 15 basis points.

Also the decline of $2.2 million in net accretion of purchase accounting adjustments, which negatively impacted the first quarter loan yields by seven basis points and the earning asset yield by five basis points from the prior quarter. Core loan yields excluding PPP and purchase accounting loan discount income decreased slightly, which had a three basis point negative impact on first quarter margin. Reduction in core loan yields is due to the continued pay downs of higher yielding loans and lower loan yields on loan renewals and new production during the quarter. The two basis point decline in the cost of funds is principally due to the four basis point decline in time deposit rates, as well as the decrease in borrowing costs related to the $1 million acceleration of unamortized discount mentioned earlier.

Non-interest income declined $6.2 million - $30.2 million in the first quarter from $36.4 million in the prior quarter, primarily due to the $5.1 million gain from the sale of Visa Class B common stock recorded in the fourth quarter. Also, lower unrealized gains on equity method investments of $1.4 million from the prior quarter. Bank-owned life insurance revenues declined approximately $589,000 due to death proceeds received in the prior quarter. A decrease of $217,000 interchange fees due to seasonally lower transaction volumes, as well as lower mortgage banking income of $213,000 , which is reflective of a seasonal decline in mortgage origination volumes and increases in mortgage rates during the quarter.

In addition, deposit account service charges declined approximately $212,000 , primarily as a result of the seasonal decline in transaction volumes. These non-interest income category declines were partially offset by an increase in loan interest rate swap fee income of $2.4 million due to higher transaction volumes in the quarter. Turning to non-interest expense. Reported non-interest expense decreased $14.6 million - $105.3 million in the first quarter, primarily driven by lower restructuring expenses of $11 million, as the prior quarter reflected $16.5 million related to the closure of the company's ops center and the consolidation of 16 branches that was completed in March of this year, compared to $5.5 million in restructuring charges associated with the closings in the first quarter.

In addition, non-interest expenses declined in several expense categories from the prior quarter, including lower tech and data processing expenses of $747,000, driven by a software contract termination cost that occurred in the prior quarter. There was a reduction of $590,000 in professional services expenses associated with our strategic projects, $434,000 decrease in equipment expenses and lower marketing and advertising expenses of $382,000 in the current quarter versus the prior quarter. Partially offsetting these expense reductions, salaries and benefits increased by $328,000 during the first quarter as seasonal increases in payroll-related taxes and 401 contribution expenses in the first quarter were materially offset by a decline in the performance-based variable incentive comp and profit sharing expenses.

The effective tax rate for the first quarter increased to 17.5% from 14.4% in the fourth quarter, reflecting the impact of changes in the proportion of tax-exempt income to pre-tax income. In 2022, we expect the full year effective tax rate to be in the 17%-18% range. Turning to the balance sheet. Total assets were $19.8 billion in March 31st. A decrease of approximately 5.7% from December 31st levels due to a decline in cash and cash equivalents of $406 million as excess liquidity was redeployed to fund net loan growth of $264 million and net deposit runoff of $127 million.

In addition, the investment securities portfolio declined by approximately $160 million, primarily due to the impact of market interest rate increases on the market value of the available for sale securities portfolio. At period end, loans held for investment were $13.5 billion, which included $67.4 million in PPP loans, net of deferred fees, which is an increase of $264 million from the prior quarter, driven by non-PPP loan balance growth of $346 million, partially offset by $76 million in PPP loans that were forgiven during the first quarter.

Excluding PPP loans, loan balances in the first quarter increased 10.8% annualized, driven by increases in commercial loan portfolio of $297 million or 10.9% linked quarter annualized and consumer loan balance growth of $48.9 million or 9.8% linked quarter annualized. At the end of March, total deposits stood at $16.5 billion, a decline of $127 million or approximately 3% annualized from the prior quarter, as a decline of $182 million in high-cost time deposits was partially offset by growth in low-cost deposits. At March 31st, low-cost transaction accounts comprised 58% of the total deposit balances, which is slightly higher than the fourth quarter levels of 56%.

From a shareholder stewardship and capital management perspective, we remain committed to managing our capital resources prudently as the deployment of capital for the enhancement of long-term shareholder value remains one of our highest priorities. At the end of the first quarter, Atlantic Union Bankshares and Atlantic Union Bank's regulatory capital ratios were well above well-capitalized levels. The company's tangible common equity to tangible assets capital ratio declined from the prior quarter, which was primarily driven by the unrealized losses on the AFS or available for sale securities portfolio recorded in other comprehensive income due to market interest rate increases in the quarter. During the first quarter, the company paid a common stock dividend of $0.28 per share, consistent with the prior quarter. It also paid a quarterly dividend of $1.7188 on each outstanding share of Series A preferred stock.

In addition, the company repurchased approximately 630,000 shares, common shares for $25 million during the first quarter and currently has $75 million remaining on its $100 million share repurchase authorization. With the financial impact of the PPP loan program winding down, the pandemic-driven volatility related to expected credit losses and credit loss reserve levels subsiding, and the expectation that interest rates would begin increasing this year, we noted in our fourth quarter 2021 earnings conference call in January that we set our top-tier financial metrics to be the following: return on tangible common equity within a range of 13%-15%, return on assets in the range of 1.1%-1.3%, and an efficiency ratio of 53% or lower.

As an update, we are now projecting that the company will achieve the top end of these previously published top-tier financial metric target ranges for the full year of 2022. As a result of the company's asset sensitivity and updated financial modeling assumptions, including that the Fed funds rate will move much higher to 2.5% by the end of 2022 and increase on a more accelerated basis, 50 basis point hikes in May and June, followed by 25 basis point increases in the remaining meetings, Fed meetings, in 2022. These are much higher than previously assumed in our modeling. As a reminder, our financial performance targets are dynamic and are set to be consistently in the top quartile among our peer group, regardless of the operating environment.

As such, given the current economic environment and our expectation that the Fed will materially increase the Fed funds rate in 2022, we are currently reevaluating these targets to ensure they are reflective of financial metrics required to achieve top-tier financial performance in the current economic environment. We expect to be in a position to discuss any revisions to our target at our upcoming Investor Day. In summary, Atlantic Union delivered solid financial results in the first quarter and continues to be well-positioned to generate sustainable, profitable growth and to build long-term value for our shareholders. With that, let me turn it back over to Bill Cimino to open it up for questions from our analyst community.

Bill Cimino
Senior VP of Investor Relations, Atlantic Union Bank

Thanks, Rob. Latonya, we're ready for our first caller, please.

Operator

Certainly. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone, and to withdraw your question, please press the pound key. Please stand by. Our first question comes from Casey Whitman of Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Good morning, Casey.

Casey Orr Whitman
Equity Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Hey, good morning. How are you? Maybe I'll start with capital. Just with the TCE ratio down to around 7%, you know, can you continue to be as aggressive with buybacks here, or is there a level that you're sort of comfortable running that at, or can you go lower? Just give us a sense for sort of how you're thinking about capital here with the AOCI hit you guys took this quarter.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah, Casey, this is Rob. I'll handle that question. Yeah. So as you do recall, as we've noted here that the AOCI impact had a fairly material impact on our tangible common equity ratio. Obviously, that does not impact any of our regulatory capital ratios. So we are evaluating our capital management actions beyond, you know, ensuring that we have capital for loan growth and a sustainable dividend going forward. We are evaluating that. We do expect that the negative impact we'll earn that back over the next several quarters. Obviously, we're very asset sensitive, as noted. We don't view that as any economic issue for us. It's more of an accounting entry in terms of the fair market value.

We have no intention of liquidating our available for sale portfolio. With that, we do expect to start earning that back, but we will be evaluating primarily, you know, the level of share buybacks going forward. Not necessarily taking any share buybacks off the table at this point, but we will evaluate that as we go forward here.

Casey Orr Whitman
Equity Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Okay. Rob, maybe sticking with you, can you just walk us through sort of what each rate hike does to your margin, and then, you know, what kind of deposit betas you're assuming in that analysis and sort of how quickly, you know, you need to move deposit rates, assuming you haven't had to move them yet?

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah. Casey, as mentioned, as I mentioned, we're modeling that the Fed funds rate will be increased throughout the year, and at the end of the year, we're modeling that it will be at about a 2.50 level, you know, from the current 0.50. Several hikes. Those hikes will become faster, as I mentioned. We expect May and June to see 50 basis point hikes, followed by remainder of the meetings at 25 basis points. Just to give you a kind of an estimate of what that means to us. For every 25 basis points, the Fed funds rate moves and, you know, LIBOR follows, SOFR follows, and Prime follows. That's about five basis points on our core margin, approximately $8 million in net interest income.

We're projecting that, you know, the core net interest margin, which, if you do the calculation for the first quarter, taking PPP and purchase accounting out of the equation, we came in at 2.95%, which was up 15 basis points from the prior quarter due to redeploying that excess liquidity I mentioned. We'll have a fairly significant increase in the margin. We're projecting that 2.95% will end up if the Fed moves the way we're suggesting or we're thinking that we could be into 3.45%-3.50% by the end of the year. Fairly material. In terms of the deposit betas implied in that, we do expect that the deposit betas will move, really probably after the May 50 basis points.

We've been thinking that we'd have to see the Fed funds rate move to about 100 basis points, and then you start to see deposit rates, maybe the competition, moving on deposit rates. We're projecting that will start in May, June. Overall, through the cycle, we're suggesting and modeling that we'll have, like, a 25% deposit beta on total deposits. That'll be more in the 30, a little over 30% on interest-bearing deposits as we go through the cycle. It'll ramp up throughout the year. That's the way we think about it.

Casey Orr Whitman
Equity Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Okay. Helpful. I'll let someone else jump on. Thanks.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Thanks, Casey. Latonya, we're ready for our next caller, please.

Operator

Certainly. Our next question comes from Catherine Mealor of KBW. Your line is open.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Hi, Catherine.

Catherine Mealor
Managing Director in Equity Research, Keefe, Bruyette, and Woods

Hi, good morning. Maybe just one follow-up on the NIM guidance. How should we think about kind of the size of the balance sheet as your margin expands so significantly? I guess a lot of that excess cash was deployed this quarter, and so it doesn't feel like that's as much of a lever, but just kind of help us think through you know, maybe how much you're expecting to grow the securities book throughout the next year. Thanks.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah, Catherine. In terms of securities book, we will most likely not be adding to the book. We've increased it during the pandemic, you know, with the excess liquidity that we had throughout the pandemic. We've been investing, putting that cash to work throughout the, you know, since the third quarter of 2020. Typically, we've run about 15% of total assets in the securities book pre-pandemic. We're now about 20%-21%. We are expecting that we won't be adding to that at the securities book. We ought to be using the cash flows that come off of that and kind of bring it down over a period of time more to the 15% back to the 15%. That'll take a bit of time.

Using the cash flows that are coming off the portfolio to fund loan growth going forward. That would be a liquidity source for us as we expect, as John mentioned, you know, high single digit loan growth going forward.

Catherine Mealor
Managing Director in Equity Research, Keefe, Bruyette, and Woods

Okay. Great. That helps. Then on the expenses, I remember last quarter you gave a range of $385 million-$390 million. This quarter's expenses were just a little bit higher than that kind of run rate. Is that $385 million-$390 million expense range for the full year still a target, or are we a little bit above that now?

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yes. We're gonna confirm that guidance, 385, the initial guidance. We had 385-390. You have to remember in the first quarter, you really can't take that, extrapolate that run rate throughout the year. There are seasonal increases there related to, you know, payroll taxes, 401(k) contributions that are related to, you know, we pay incentives during the quarter, so they kind of get ratcheted up. Then of course there's a reset of payroll taxes for higher salary teammates. If you look at the numbers, kind of just give you a thought, a kind of calculation that we're looking at.

Normally, after you take out the one-time this quarter, we had about a $99.8 million expense base. To that, you've got to back out this seasonal payroll tax and 400,000, and that's about $3 million or so. You know, offsetting that is we do merit increases in March, so we have one month of a 4% merit increase for teammates. You have to add back $1 million to offset that. Don't forget, $2 million is coming out starting really April first, on a quarterly basis due to the branch closures in the ops center. Again, if you look forward, we're probably looking at $96-$97 million in the outer quarters. Combine that with the first quarter, we're still in that 385-390 on a full year basis.

Catherine Mealor
Managing Director in Equity Research, Keefe, Bruyette, and Woods

Okay.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

That number is gonna come down quite a bit, Catherine, in the second quarter.

Catherine Mealor
Managing Director in Equity Research, Keefe, Bruyette, and Woods

Got it. That makes a lot of sense. All right, great. Thanks. I'll pop out.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Thank you. Thanks, Catherine.

Catherine Mealor
Managing Director in Equity Research, Keefe, Bruyette, and Woods

You're welcome.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Latonya, we're ready for our next caller, please.

Operator

Our next question comes from Wally Wallace of Raymond James. Wally, your line is open.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Hi, Wally.

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

Hey, good morning. Let's go back to NIM. First, I believe in the text of the release, you said that the purchase accounting accretion was down due to lower prepayments. With rates rising, is it safe to assume that your prepayments will remain low, and therefore this kind of this amount that you got in the second quarter is kind of a more likely run rate type level? Usually, we take your table and add a little bit for kind of accelerated the purchase accounting accretion.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah. The purchase accounting accretion, it's gonna be down this year, call it four or five basis points for the full year compared to-

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

Okay.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

You know, higher levels we had last year. That's right. You know, in the quarter, Wally, I think purchase accounting was about four basis points on the reported margin. PPP was about 5 basis points. Purchase accounting should kind of remain in that range, you know, three to four basis points going forward. PPP will basically go away pretty much this quarter or second quarter. And then again, as I mentioned, the core margin was 2.95. Add PPP, that's, you know, 3% and then four basis points for purchase accounting. But the way we're looking at it is if you look at a core margin, that was up 15 basis points, you know, due to the excess liquidity and growth in the portfolio, loan portfolio. That's where you'll see some significant improvement or expansion in the margin as the Fed moves going forward here based on our assumptions.

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

Okay. Last quarter, I wrote down that you said that you anticipated eight to nine basis points for every 25 basis point hike. I'm curious what you changed in the modeling. Did you get more aggressive with deposit betas or-

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah, a couple things.

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

Or-

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah. I guess a couple of things there, Wally. One is that we only had three rate hikes during the year, so basically we thought we wouldn't see any deposit moves.

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

Yeah.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

For the balance of the year, so that was part of it. Now, with you know the aggressive rate hikes we're seeing, we have ratcheted that up a bit and moved it earlier in the year. Kind of two-pronged there.

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

Do you anticipate? I know it's guesswork to a degree, but do you anticipate that it'll be kind of a linear move, or do you think that you get a little bit more benefit up front and then you'll start to see more kind of noise from your deposit customers asking for costs as the Fed continues to hike, and you'll start to see a little bit less of that expansion as we get further along with Fed tightening?

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah, that's exactly how we're modeling it, Wally. You know, very limited moves, but moves nonetheless up, you know, over the next, call it 100 basis point moves if you go through May and June. You'll start to see that ratchet up, in terms of the betas implications, as you get out in probably the second half, late in the year.

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

Okay.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

You know, coming out to that, about that 25% betas I mentioned for the total deposits. It would definitely move slowly to that level.

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

Okay.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

We'll see. You know, competition's gonna have something to say about it, right?

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

Yeah.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

We'll have to see how that plays out.

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

I would imagine on the loan pricing side as well, so.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah. That, that's true. Yeah.

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

We'll see.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Mm-hmm.

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

Circling back to the question about the AOCI, it sounded like you said you thought you'd get it back in the next three or four quarters. I thought that your securities portfolio was maybe kind of a little bit longer dated, two to three years. Were you saying that you anticipate getting that capital back because you'll be earning it back, or are you saying you anticipate recovering the $100 million or so AOCI hit as-

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah.

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

The securities mature over the next three to four quarters?

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah. What I meant to say there, Wally, was that we'll ratchet that up over the next several quarters to get, you know, closer to 7.75%, closer to 8%. We won't recapture that. That's three to four quarters, but it'll take some time. Now we'll see where rates go from here. That's our working assumption at this point. It would take, to your point, to get back to the 8.20%, it'll take a little longer than that.

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

Okay. Okay, thanks. John, just last question on your prepared remarks. I'm not sure if I heard you correctly. Did you say a $4.5 million-$6.5 million fee reduction due to policy changes around overdraft and NSF, or was it $4.5 million-$5.5 million ? Can you tell us when you anticipate we will start to see those, and can you give us an update on any communications you've had with the CFPB?

John Asbury
President and CEO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah. I don't have anything to add on in terms of any regulatory communications related to overdraft practices. To answer your question, yes, $4.5-$6.5 is the band. This is an estimate in terms of the income loss from these customer friendly changes. We expect them to begin in Q3 of this year, of course. It doesn't mean we're not sure where we'll be within this band because it's such a variable. It depends upon what's going on with balances and customer behaviors. I think that's a good conservative band in terms of where we're gonna be. From our standpoint, Wally, it seems clear to us where the puck is headed, and we don't wanna wait. We don't want to be sort of a late adopter.

The hallmark of this company is the client experience, and we have been making consumer-friendly changes. We would rather go ahead and be among the leading pack. We've never been a big overdraft shop, not that reliant on it. We feel like from a value proposition offering, you know, this is a good thing to do. It's actually, I think will be a good message and well received by the customer base. I think what's implied is, has someone compelled us to do this? We haven't heard the first question about it. This is our choosing, and we recognize that we're in the kind of earlier pack, at least among the mid-sized banks. Mark my words, this is where it's going. Let's deal with it now.

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

John, I thought you disclosed in your K that you received a notice from the CFPB around a potential lawsuit regarding your

John Asbury
President and CEO, Atlantic Union Bank

No.

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

Am I totally mistaken about that?

John Asbury
President and CEO, Atlantic Union Bank

You're referencing what's called a NORA, which is a notice and opportunity to respond and advise, which is a mechanism the CFPB uses to make inquiries of banks. The CFPB is broadly making inquiries across the industry around overdraft practices. I'm not, you know. That's basically a set of questions and issues that they outline. We then respond to them in writing. We chose to disclose that because we are transparent, and we thought it was the right thing to do. That had nothing to do with pricing issues, and I'll just leave it at that. It is overdraft related.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Wally, the timing of that was also after the first quarter call, the last quarter call as well, when we received that NORA. Yeah.

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

Yeah. You're saying that the changes in policies that you are implementing around NSF and overdraft were underway because you did mention it during the fourth quarter call in January before you got this notification, and the notification doesn't have anything to do with whatever policies and changes that you're making. It's something else.

John Asbury
President and CEO, Atlantic Union Bank

I would say this is simply an acceleration of a series of consumer friendly moves that we've been making for quite a while. We did not want to jump the gun. We've been interested to watch what's happening. You can look upstream of us and see changes that are happening. You can see some of the mid-sized banks having made changes as well. From our standpoint, we think about this as really part of the value proposition of the bank. You know, we think this is where it's going, and this is not any new idea.

Wally Wallace
Managing Director in Equity Research, Raymond James and Associates Inc

Yeah. I agree. Okay. Thank you for that clarification. I appreciate it.

John Asbury
President and CEO, Atlantic Union Bank

Sure.

Thanks, Wally. Latonya, we're ready for our next caller, please.

Operator

Certainly. Our next question comes from Laurie Hunsicker of Compass Point. Your line is open, Laurie.

Laurie Hunsicker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Compass Point

Hey, thanks. Good morning. Just to stay with where Wally was on the NSF, I just wanna sort of further dive down. I think that was running at about $17 million or so a year. How much was in this quarter?

John Asbury
President and CEO, Atlantic Union Bank

Now let's be clear what we're talking about. You're looking at the sum total of NSF and overdraft charges.

Laurie Hunsicker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Compass Point

Overdraft.

John Asbury
President and CEO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah. We're talking about the elimination of non-sufficient funds, which is when we return an item without paying it. That's what's being eliminated. We are not eliminating overdraft fees when we actually create an overdraft for a customer.

Laurie Hunsicker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Compass Point

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I heard you say in your remarks free overdraft. What did I miss there?

John Asbury
President and CEO, Atlantic Union Bank

No, no. What you missed is I said no charges for non-sufficient funds. That's the proverbial bounced check. If we return an item without sufficient funds, we will not charge for that item. That is different from paying an item which creates an overdraft.

Laurie Hunsicker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Compass Point

And but you would-

John Asbury
President and CEO, Atlantic Union Bank

And we have-

Laurie Hunsicker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Compass Point

You would make comments around overdraft. What were those? Just refreshing on that. I missed that.

John Asbury
President and CEO, Atlantic Union Bank

We have a series of changes that we're making across all of these categories, Laurie. Examples of things that we're doing on overdraft would be reducing the caps, not charging fees when overdrafts are covered by transfers either from overdraft lines of credit or accounts which are linked, such as a savings account, which is drawn on to cover an overdraft. We have some other things going on as well. The two-day advance credit for an ACH payroll deposit has nothing to do with overdraft per se, but that's simply an additional service that we have. The technology is there. We have the capability to give people today early access to their direct deposit of payroll, so we decided to do that because we can, and we think that's part of our customer friendly value proposition. T he $4.5 million-$6.5 million estimate

Speaks to a basket of various changes, most of which are, you know, related to either the NSF fee waiver or other overdraft-related practices.

Laurie Hunsicker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Compass Point

Got it. Okay. Rob, maybe you can just help put this together. As we look in the back half of 2022, you know, we look obviously to a drop in NSF, a drop in mortgage banking. How should we be thinking about that quarterly run rate on non-interest income? Obviously, you've got some other lines there that are moving higher. How should we be thinking about that?

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah. Laurie, the way we're looking at it is, when we came into the year, of course, not knowing rates would spike as much and impact the mortgage business as much as it is or will be as we go forward here, we had said we'd be growing non-interest income about 8% or 9%. We're backing off on that. Obviously, we didn't necessarily project the overdraft issue as well. We're really looking at about a 2%-3% growth rate over 2021 full year. Last year was about $120 million, and we're looking at, you know, maybe a couple million more than that this year, give or take. Kind of flattish.

So dialing that back due to the mortgage pullback, which we had said it would pull back probably about 40%. Now I would think it may be more in the 50%-60% range. That's dialing back from last year. Overdrafts is coming down a bit. We are looking at additional sources of income, some of which, as you saw in the first quarter, loan swap fees were up, you know, materially, on a quarterly basis versus last year's quarter run rate. We expect that some of that will continue. We've also got other sources of that are new sources of revenue that could make up for some of the other reductions I'm talking about here. You know, FX, foreign exchange, for example, SBA 7(a), gains, those sorts of things. Kind of sticking with that at this point.

Laurie Hunsicker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Compass Point

Okay, great. That's helpful. Just wanted to clarify the PPP forgiveness income. I backed into it at $2.8 million. Is that a right number for this quarter?

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Say that again. PPP?

Laurie Hunsicker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Compass Point

The PPP

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah.

Laurie Hunsicker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Compass Point

-income, and that is-

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

The income. Yeah, the absolute income. Yeah, it's about $3 million. That's right.

Laurie Hunsicker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Compass Point

About $3 million.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

For the quarter.

Laurie Hunsicker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Compass Point

Okay. That leaves you with round numbers about $1.5 million, or do you have a better number?

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah. Yeah. There's only $1.6 million left there to come into the income stream. We-

Laurie Hunsicker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Compass Point

Perfect.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

We expect that will, you know, second quarter, that should be done by the end of the second quarter.

Laurie Hunsicker
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Compass Point

Great. Thanks. I'll leave it there.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah. Thanks, Laurie. Latonya, we're ready for our last caller, please.

Operator

Certainly. Our last question comes from Brody Preston of Stephens Inc. Your line is open, Brody.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Hi, Brody.

Brody Preston
Managing Director, Stephens Inc

Hey, good morning, everyone. How are you?

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Good.

John Asbury
President and CEO, Atlantic Union Bank

Good. Thank you.

Brody Preston
Managing Director, Stephens Inc

Hey, Rob. I wanted to circle back just on the margin comment you made real quick. I think you said 3.45%-3.50% by the back end of the year with the updated rate hikes and beta assumptions. I just want to ask, was that core or was that headline?

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah, that was core, Brodie. Add another, you know, three to four basis points with the purchase accounting in there. PPP, as you know, goes away by then.

Brody Preston
Managing Director, Stephens Inc

Okay. Yeah, 'cause I was with you on the headline there just in what I had treated.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah.

Brody Preston
Managing Director, Stephens Inc

the model today. I

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah.

Brody Preston
Managing Director, Stephens Inc

Cause I was wondering what the other leverage points were to get. You know, you said you expect to be for the full year at the high end of those ranges. I just wanted to make sure I was thinking about that, the margin-

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah.

Brody Preston
Managing Director, Stephens Inc

correctly.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah.

Brody Preston
Managing Director, Stephens Inc

Okay. And then I did wanna ask just on the loan portfolio pricing. I think it's 4% you said are at their floors, 12% of the 16% are above floor. That 12% should reprice if we get this May hike.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah.

Brody Preston
Managing Director, Stephens Inc

Correct? The 4%, how many rate hikes do we need to get those off the floors?

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yes. The next 50 basis points, which you will presumably see in May, will bring in about 75% of that. You'd be down to 1%, would still be at floor. Another 25 basis points or so would kind of bring it all into the variable rate bucket.

Brody Preston
Managing Director, Stephens Inc

Okay. Within your modeling of NII, and I know this is fluid, but are you assuming you get the full kind of repricing benefit from the floating rate loans going forward on a static basis? Or is there any assumption of floating rate, you know, becoming fixed rate over time or any degradation in that floating rate mix?

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah. We don't have any degradation going back, you know, at floor levels. Just rates rise, we'll be kind of calling in the money, if you will. If you go out farther, you know, into 2024, we do think rates you may see those rates coming down, and that could impact the out years there. At this point in time, we're thinking it's hike all the way through 2023, and then you might see some pullback from the Fed.

Brody Preston
Managing Director, Stephens Inc

I got it. What are new origination yields coming on at currently?

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

I think on a blended basis, about 3.20 or so, I think, on the commercial side. You know, that includes floating and fixed rate, weighted.

Brody Preston
Managing Director, Stephens Inc

Got it. My last one would just be, I thought the mortgage banking, although it was down, it held up a bit better than I expected.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Yeah.

Brody Preston
Managing Director, Stephens Inc

Could you just remind us what the portion, like the purchase versus refi mixes within that portfolio this quarter, what it was this quarter and what it typically is?

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

This quarter, actually it kinda held up in the 35%-36% range. That was down a bit from fourth quarter, which was I think around 40%. We do think that that's gonna kinda come back down, 'cause late in the quarter you saw mortgage rates spike 5% or up to 5% or a little higher. We expect to come down. We think on a normal basis, you know, you see 20%-25% of the origination book, regardless of the rates. You have a 75% purchase and a 25%, 20% - 25% refi. We think that's gonna be coming back down to that, those lower levels.

John Asbury
President and CEO, Atlantic Union Bank

Brody, as you know, this is really the old Access National Bank mortgage shop under the fine leadership of Dean Hackemer. It's never been a big refi shop. It also doesn't really do the accordion that you so often see. Dean would tell you that we don't add, you know, a lot of people to mortgage when times are good, only to turn around and eliminate them when times are not so good. What that means is it somewhat limits the capacity during boom times, but at the same time doesn't fall as much. They do a really good job of managing that business for profitability regardless of the environment, which is a bit uncommon.

Brody Preston
Managing Director, Stephens Inc

Got it. Thank you very much for taking my questions. I appreciate it.

John Asbury
President and CEO, Atlantic Union Bank

Thank you.

Robert Gorman
EVP and CFO, Atlantic Union Bank

Thanks, Brody.

John Asbury
President and CEO, Atlantic Union Bank

Thanks, Brody, and thanks everyone for joining us today. We look forward to speaking with you in a few weeks up at Nasdaq. Have a good day.

Operator

This concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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