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Earnings Call: Q2 2021

Aug 10, 2021

Operator

Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the AvePoint second quarter 2021 earnings call. For opening remarks and introductions, I will now turn the call over to Erica Mannion at Sapphire Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Erica Mannion
Founder and Partner, Sapphire Investor Relations

Thank you, and good afternoon. With me today from AvePoint are TJ Jiang, Chief Executive Officer, and Sophia Wu, Chief Financial Officer. TJ will begin with a brief review of the business results for the second quarter ended June 30, 2021. Sophia will then review the financial results for the second quarter, followed by the company's outlook for the third quarter and full- year of 2021. We will then open the call for questions. Please note that this call will include forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from management's current expectations. We encourage you to review the safe harbor statements contained in our press release for a more complete description. All material in the webcast is the sole property and copyright of AvePoint, with all rights reserved.

Please note, this presentation describes certain non-GAAP measures, including non-GAAP operating income and non-GAAP operating margin, which are not measures prepared in accordance with US GAAP. The non-GAAP measures are presented in this presentation as we believe they provide investors with a means of evaluating and understanding how the company's management evaluates the company's operating performance. These non-GAAP measures should not be considered in isolation from, as substitutes for, or superior to financial measures prepared in accordance with US GAAP. Listeners who do not have a copy of the quarter ended June 30, 2021, press release may obtain a copy by visiting the investor relations section of the company's website. Now, I would like to turn the call over to TJ.

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Thank you, Erica, and thanks to everyone for joining us on the call this afternoon. We're excited to report our first quarter as a public company. I want to extend special thanks to the AvePoint team for their hard work and support during the public listing process. We're excited about this next step in our company's journey. I'll start this afternoon with a brief highlight of the quarter. Because it is our first earnings call, I want to take some time to discuss our business and market opportunity. In the second quarter, we delivered record results with revenue of $45 million, up 38% year-over-year, driven by the continued growth of Microsoft Teams and strong adoption of our collaboration security technologies.

Within this, SaaS revenue for the quarter reached $21 million, an increase of 76% from prior year, while subscription revenue, which we define as SaaS revenue plus term license revenue, reached $32 million, growing 66% year-over-year and representing 70% of our total revenue in the quarter. ARR, annual recurring revenue, an important indicator of future revenue growth, also grew 33% year-over-year to $139 million. We had great momentum in our business in the second quarter, with customers spending more than $100,000 in ARR growing to 286, up 33% year-over-year. While our customer success investment initiatives continue to deliver results with a net dollar retention of 111%, up five points from one year ago. For those of you who are new to our story, AvePoint has been an innovator in digital collaboration technologies for nearly two decades.

We enable organizations worldwide to collaborate with confidence in the cloud by securing collaboration data, sustaining the connections between people, and ensuring business continuity. AvePoint offers the only one full suite of SaaS solutions to migrate, manage, and protect data in cloud-based platforms like Microsoft 365. With the dramatic acceleration of digital transformation over the past year, the need to shift IT infrastructure and operations to the cloud ensure collaboration security and protect data due to threats like ransomware has become a strategic and tactical imperative. Through this journey, AvePoint has been uniquely positioned to provide more efficient and secure operations through both guidance and industry-proven technology. For example, a large U.S. defense contractor with over 50,000 employees globally had a strong desire to modernize their collaboration through their investment in Microsoft 365, especially Microsoft Teams.

Given their need to demonstrate compliance with restricted data and contracting practices regulations, they found themselves challenged by how to align their strict data handling and access request requirements with a more free-flowing sharing model in Microsoft 365. After deploying AvePoint's FedRAMP-authorized instance of our governance and management cloud solutions for Microsoft 365, they were able to satisfy their audit and regulatory teams and release Microsoft Teams to their end users, resulting in adoption by 17,000 users in the first week after launch and 30,000 users by early May. Soon after that, they're expanding their use of AvePoint solutions to more critical workflows in their business. With AvePoint solutions, organizations have the ability to enable rapid, sustainable adoption of critical applications like Microsoft Teams, which have recently been experiencing record growth in organizations large and small.

We provide customers with confidence in their ability to monitor, manage, and govern the rapid adoption of new cloud services while saving time and money. Customers can accelerate their cloud adoption with AvePoint solutions by decommissioning homegrown or point solutions that fail to provide key insights and flexible automation that drive business outcomes. AvePoint's revenue and product lines following the overall cloud market are heavily Microsoft centric today, the solutions we provide are built on proven best practices for management, governance, and compliance, no matter the platform. AvePoint has already made investments to capture multi-cloud opportunities such as Salesforce and Google. We believe that our cloud agnostic approach, combined with projected overall growth in cloud usage, will lead to significant expansion of AvePoint's market opportunities in the years ahead.

As we look at our core customer base today, we continue to enjoy strong momentum from enterprises across the world, accelerating the transformation of their collaboration environments as they adopt and mature in their cloud usage. Our cloud solutions are now used by more than 8 million users. In addition to our strong position within the enterprise landscape, we have also begun to partner with managed service providers or MSPs to expand our SaaS based offerings to small medium businesses or SMB customers. While early in the overall penetration of this opportunity, in the long- term, we view this to be material as it has the potential to nearly double our addressable market, given SMB's representation across Microsoft 365 user base.

Looking forward, we believe the market opportunity ahead of us remains very attractive, and we intend to continue ramping up our investments in market awareness, technology innovation, and growth while prudently managing our expense structure. Within our go-to-market organization, for example, we have grown headcount by approximately 50% across our sales, customer success, and channel functions. With these and other related investments, we aim to increase our market share of Microsoft 365 user base, boost our customer retention rate, and continue our triple digit growth in the SMB market via our channel partners. Lastly, specific to our channel strategy, in July, we launched our first ever global partner program designed to meet the unique needs of different types of partners, including managed service providers, value-added resellers, cloud consultants, and DevOps partners.

Channel is an important expansion vector for AvePoint in the years ahead. We made it a priority across our business. Through this partner program, it is our goal to enable partners to maximize the full economic opportunity our technology offers and capitalize on the digital collaboration wave as the only independent software vendor, or ISV, offering an all-in-one approach to providing a full collaboration security platform.

Before turning the call over to Sophia, I want to quickly highlight the recently announced expansion of our executive leadership team with the appointment of Jim Caci to Chief Financial Officer and Tom Lin to Chief Operating Officer. The company's existing CFO, Sophia Wu, will now serve as Chief Accounting Officer, and Brian Brown will continue to serve as Chief Legal and Compliance Officer, all effective August 23rd, 2021. This is an exciting time to be at AvePoint.

Looking ahead, we recognize that our public listing is just one step in the journey of our company. While we're excited to have achieved this milestone, we have much more to do. We look forward to continuing our momentum in 2021 and updating all of you in the quarters to come. I'll turn over to Sophia to discuss our financial results in more detail.

Sophia Wu
CFO, AvePoint

Thank you, TJ, and good afternoon, everyone. As I review our second quarter results today, please note that I'll be referring to non-GAAP metrics unless otherwise noted. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financials is included in today's earnings release, which is available on our website. Given this is our first earnings call as a public company, I want to start by providing some perspective about our business model and financial profile.

Then I'll walk through highlights from the second quarter, and finally, I'll close with guidance for the third quarter and full- year before we open up the call for questions. As a software company serving a wide range of customers, from highly regulated Fortune 500 enterprises to SMBs through our MSP partners, our steady motion is to engage with our customers in a way which best fits their needs.

For our large enterprise customers, which often have hybrid and multi-cloud IT environments, this is often a combination of SaaS and term license deals which have approximate duration of 2.25 years, while our MSP partners are 100% SaaS billed on a monthly basis. While from our customer's point of view, both SaaS and the term license deals are considered subscription due to the adoption of ASC 606, our revenue recognition of each differs. Our SaaS revenue is recognized ratably over the term of the deal, whereas for term license, we will typically recognize 60%-80% of the total deal value up front.

While over time, we do expect the SaaS portion of our business to contribute an increasing portion of our overall revenue, it is worth noting our term license business is an important element of our offering for large enterprises, and we will continue to support them as they implement their cloud migration initiatives. As a result of this dynamic, we believe ARR is a useful metric to track the period to period progress of our business as it provides a more relevant comparison between growth in our SaaS and the term license revenue streams. In addition to software revenue, we also generate revenue from professional services, which primarily consist of implementation and support services, as well as maintenance revenue carried over from our legacy perpetual license model.

Over time, we expect our professional service revenue will grow incrementally in dollar terms, but become a lower portion of our overall revenue mix as our software revenue grows. As our remaining legacy perpetual customers eventually migrate to either a SaaS or term license solution, we expect our maintenance revenue to steadily decline over time. Moving on to our quarterly result. Total revenue for the second quarter ended June 30, 2021, were $45 million, up 38% year-over-year. Within this, SaaS revenue was $21 million, constituting 45% of total revenue and up 76% year-over-year. As of the quarter end, we had ARR of $139 million, which included 286 customers with ARR of over $100,000, up from 270 customers as of March 31st, 2021.

In addition, our average core ARR per account at the end of the quarter was $36,000, which represents a growth of 30% year-over-year. As TJ mentioned, over the last several quarters, we have increased investment in our customer success organization to generate greater customer coverage and ultimately drive our dollar-based net retention towards the best-in-class industry benchmark of 120%. In the second quarter, our core dollar-based net retention rate was 111%. As we have discussed previously, our long-term goal is to drive dollar-based net retention to 120% by continuing to invest in our customer success organization and expanding the usage of our platform with existing customers. Now, let's review the income statement in more detail. Gross profit in the quarter was $34 million, representing a gross margin of 75%, compared to 73% in the year ago period.

This improvement in margin is due to the continued shift in mix of our revenue towards subscription. Recurring revenue growth margin remains strong and was 86% in Q2. Sales and marketing expense were $19 million, or 42% of revenue, compared to 38% in the year ago period. This increase was driven by an increase in headcount and personnel-related expense as we expand our sales and customer success organizations, as well as additional marketing spend as we invest in our MSP and channel strategies. We intend to invest in sales and marketing as we continue to drive awareness in the market and expand our sales force and marketing efforts to leverage our industry position and capture the significant opportunity in front of us. R&D expense was $4 million, or 8% of revenue, roughly in line with the year ago period.

The increase on a dollar basis was driven by investment in product innovation, resulting in additional development costs and additional headcount. G&A expense was $7 million, or 16% of revenue, compared to 13% in the year ago period. G&A reflects an increase in people and infrastructure-related expense associated with our public-ready efforts. Non-GAAP operating income was $3 million, or 7% of revenue, decreasing in dollar terms from an operating profit of $4.2 million in the year ago period. Turning to the balance sheet and cash flow, we ended the quarter with $68 million in cash and short-term investments, which does not include the $204.5 million in net proceeds we received from the closing of our business combination on July 1st. Adjusting for this, our cash balance as of June 30th would have been over $270 million.

Cash provided by operations was $2 million in the quarter, while free cash flow, which includes CapEx, was $2 million. I would now like to turn to our outlook for the third quarter and the full- year 2021. For the third quarter, we expect revenue of $51.5 million-$53.5 million and a non-GAAP operating profit of $1.7 million-$3.2 million. For the full- year, we expect revenue of $192 million-$196 million and a non-GAAP operating profit of $4.7 million-$7.7 million. With that, we'll open up the call for questions. Operator?

Operator

Our first question is from Brian Essex with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Brian Essex
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hi, good afternoon. Thank you for taking the question. Congratulations on the results and emerging as a public company. I guess for the 1st question, TJ, you noted in your prepared remarks that you achieved FedRAMP status. You cited a nice defense contractor deal. What does the pipeline look like? What do you see ahead in the pipeline for FedRAMP-associated business? How much penetration and visibility into penetration do you have in that pipeline?

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Good afternoon, Brian. Thank you for the question. Public sector is our biggest vertical solution space. We have a dedicated public sector team based in Arlington, Virginia. The FedRAMP is a very important aspect to it. We do see that there are opportunities that involve FedRAMP that we're able to close now that we're FedRAMP authorized. FedRAMP certification itself is a long process.

This is also why we talk about this first in-market, first-mover advantage. It usually takes several years to obtain the authorized status, go from the initiated status. We continue to see robust pipeline from that. It's an important thing, and it's also being cited by other software companies of their various stage of process. As to the overall TAM, it is harder to gauge right now. We know it's important, and we have a robust pipeline associated with FedRAMP authorized status.

Brian Essex
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Got it. That's helpful. Thank you for that. Maybe just a follow-up. With regard to the Salesforce backup cloud, particularly, with the potential penetration, incremental penetration into service providers, how do the service providers view that platform? What are they using currently, and how do you view the opportunity there?

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Yeah, we view the Salesforce backup as a service opportunity as a moderate growth factor for us right now, but it is a very important aspect of our multi-cloud play, where we continue to expand our footprint into existing accounts. Salesforce, the provider themselves, have kind of gone back and forth in providing some minimum backup type of services.

We all know, even from a very critical ransomware protection perspective, customers do need third-party segregated storage, preferably SaaS providers, to have bring your own storage, bring your own encryption, bring your own authentication type approach, that full flexibility afforded to customers. We see that as a moderate growth vector for us. There are a couple of Salesforce backup providers in the market. Most notably, Salesforce themselves have backed away from providing that natively, and then only recently back up with very basic functionalities, which customers require more.

I think this third-party provider solution, it's a very important aspect to what the market needs today.

Brian Essex
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

All right. That's helpful color. Thank you. I have more, but I'll hop back in the queue. Thank you very much.

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Thank you, Brian.

Operator

Our next question is with Jason Ader with William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Jason Ader
Analyst, William Blair

Yeah. Good afternoon. Hi, guys. Two questions, one for TJ, one for Sophia. For TJ, can you provide an update on the number of Microsoft 365 users? I know you guys have been saying over 7 million, but is there any specific update you have there, or is that something that you may provide periodically for us?

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Yeah. We just announced that it's now over 8 million.

Jason Ader
Analyst, William Blair

Oh, okay.

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Yeah, it's over 8 million now. It's a metric we don't intend to update on a quarterly basis. The nature of our licensing and coverage and hybrid licenses, we think the best reflection of our growth continue to be ARR growth, annual recurring revenue growth. It is now well over 8 million.

Jason Ader
Analyst, William Blair

Great. Okay. Sophia, for the operating income guidance for the year, I noticed that it was lower than what you guys have provided publicly. I think you originally provided $8 million, and now you're saying a little bit, I think $6.2 million at the midpoint. Can you talk us through what changed there?

Sophia Wu
CFO, AvePoint

Yes. Hi, Jason. This is mainly because we increased our investment into our business, split between 3 buckets. We increased our investment in sales and marketing, including new positions in channel business, which TJ will share a little bit more color later. We also increased our spending in G&A, which is a mix of a few things. It's incremental public company cost, increased the professional fees more than we originally budgeted, and also additional head count, such as hiring of Jim, which will add additional strength to the existing management team. We also see good opportunities to increase our investment in R&D to bring new products in 2020 and beyond. Therefore, we increased the head count in H2.

Jason Ader
Analyst, William Blair

Gotcha.

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Jason, on the channel side, Sophia mentioning we announced our global channel program in July. We're investing very aggressively into the channel, and channel initial stages are relatively expensive. There's a whole priming the pump action going on, as well as essentially enabling, accelerating channel partners to then conduct business with us and be familiar with our products.

Of course, channel is the fastest way to scale our business, given the massive TAM in front of us. We have expanded channel coverage to not only our monthly recurring side of SMB business, but also our telesales mid-market business, selling to businesses all the way up to $2 billion annual revenue. It's a very aggressive investment from our side. Of course, at the same time, we are meaningfully controlling to make sure that we are managing our OpEx costs meaningfully but still maintain aggressive growth posture.

Jason Ader
Analyst, William Blair

Thank you for that. One quick last one for me on the MSP business, TJ.

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Yeah.

Jason Ader
Analyst, William Blair

Did that meet your expectations?

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

So far it's about 5% of our ARR right now, and we're growing 3 digits. It is meeting our expectations. We're investing more aggressively into it. It's a fantastic market, as we mentioned before, because we've been enterprise-focused, but being a SaaS provider allows us to be far more accessible to the SMB market. That allows us to effectively double our TAM because, again, the user base that SMB market represents in the Microsoft 365 ecosystem. We define also SMB as businesses with $250 million annual revenue or 500 employees or fewer companies. That's actually a very, very big space.

Jason Ader
Analyst, William Blair

Great. Thank you.

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is with Kirk Materne with Evercore. Please proceed with your question.

Kirk Materne
Analyst, Evercore

Okay, thanks very much, and congrats on the quarter. TJ, Microsoft called you guys out as one of their key partners out at Inspire this summer. I was wondering just could you talk about how that partnership is changing from a go-to-market perspective or is evolving, maybe is the better word. How is that helping your attach rates that you see with Microsoft more recently? I know you've had a long partnership, but I was just curious about some of the more recent changes on that front. I have one follow-up.

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Yeah. Microsoft, we continue to have a very robust relationship that has spanned now close to 2 decades. We talk about the sales relationship where we're 1 of the top 5 global IP co-sale partner that Microsoft has for cloud consumption, where Microsoft reps actually get comped on our deals. 10% of our TCV goes towards that account's Microsoft reps compensation for cloud consumption retirement. In that regard, we're top 5 in the same categories as Adobe and DocuSign. Asymmetrically, that makes us important. That's sales side. On the product side, we have a team of MVPs, so Microsoft Most Valuable Professionals. These are voted by the community and selected by Microsoft, as well as a team of RDs, regional directors. These are MVP of MVPs. They actually represent the industry voice.

They actually get to see the bits, the new products and innovation from Microsoft ahead of everyone. Also, due to our long-term relationship and our great reputation and being a global top partner for Microsoft, our product team and Microsoft product team have regular syncs. All those things collectively forms this win-win foundation where we stay ahead of the game.

We know where Microsoft is investing, and we can essentially anticipate where the opportunities reside for us. A good case example of this is, for example, in education when Microsoft released the Viva, which is their LinkedIn and Teams integration to talk about continuous education learning. We actually are one of the charter members and be able to have API access and offer one of the industry's most comprehensive Microsoft 365-based education technology solution for higher ed and corporate, which we call actually AvePoint EduTech.

That's a massive win for us. We have grown that business very rapidly in Asia-Pacific region, and now we're expanding to North America and Europe. That's all thanks to the tremendous support we have with the Microsoft education team, all the way back to corporate and the product team. That just showcased the early look ahead that we have, allow us to anticipate where the investment areas will come from, where to avoid, and allow us to stay ahead of the curve here.

Kirk Materne
Analyst, Evercore

That's super. That's very helpful. Just one quick question about the trends around NRR. I know you guys have focused or have invested a lot in your customer success organization. Do you feel like there's still some low-hanging fruit in that area in terms of helping NRR move higher, or is NRR growth from here going to have to be more either retention and/or upsell-driven?

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Our goal is to quickly get to the industry benchmark of 120% NRR. Right now, we're at 111%. We have shown meaningful improvements over the last two and a half years of investment. Just year-over-year, it's about five points improvement. For us, we're very comfortable with that. It's an investment of technology, people, and process. We'll continue to do that from cross-sell and upsell capabilities. We're pretty comfortable that we'll get to the industry benchmark in medium- term.

Kirk Materne
Analyst, Evercore

That sounds good. Thanks for answering the questions.

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Thank you, Kirk.

Operator

Our next question is from Nehal Chokshi with Northland Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Nehal Chokshi
Analyst, Northland Capital

Thank you, and nice to see sustained 30-plus % ARR growth. That's awesome. Congratulations. Microsoft changed up on how they are reporting Teams growth. It's not really very clear if Teams growth is tapering or not. In that context, can you give us some perspective as far as what you think is happening there, and then how does that affect your pipeline?

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

That's a great question, Nehal. Microsoft Teams previous announced number was 140 million active daily users. Now they just recently announced 250 million active monthly users. Interestingly, they also announced that the E5 penetration for Office E5 is 8%. Again, these things are more nuanced because there's different license types, different coverage. You also have seasonal kind of coverage. For us, it just continue to mean a massive TAM, because Microsoft Teams is truly the killer app. It's really, as we mentioned before, highly integrated with the entirety of Microsoft 365. Now especially with Windows 365. Cloud PC, where every instance has a Microsoft Teams baked in. In fact, our Teams app, which is called MyHub, it's the number 1 Teams app in Japan and one of the top ones globally. It's baked into these instances.

What it does is create an evergreen motion here. As Microsoft continually update their builds and have the releases updated in real time via these Cloud PC instances, our latest apps gets rolled out as well. I think that will only help lower the barrier to entry and increase our ability to go to market. It's only good from AvePoint's business opportunity perspective.

Nehal Chokshi
Analyst, Northland Capital

I sort of interpret that answer as that, yes, Teams growth is not tapering. It remains strong, and therefore, your pipeline hasn't stabilized. It's still growing, i.e., the opportunity continues to outstrip your sales capacity. Is that?

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Yes

Nehal Chokshi
Analyst, Northland Capital

more or less correct interpretation there? Okay.

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

That's correct, Nehal. If you look at the recurring side of our business, we're growing north of 50%, right? Recurring is actually growing 66%, and the pure SaaS, pure cloud customers are growing north of 70-plus%. Yeah, we continue to see incredible momentum in the market.

Nehal Chokshi
Analyst, Northland Capital

Okay, great. How does that color your ARR year-over-year expectations for the balance of the year then?

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Against this macroeconomic volatility and uncertainty right now, we are being constructive in our guidance. We remain consistent with our previous guidance of maintaining this 30% revenue growth.

Nehal Chokshi
Analyst, Northland Capital

Okay, great. Can you disaggregate that 111% net revenue retention rate into gross revenue retention rate and upsell rates?

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

We don't disclose growth retention rate. We'll continue to focus on NR, net retention rate, and continue to improve that. We'll continue to highlight on the ARR growth because we feel like those are the most meaningful metrics that we tailor our business towards. The entire organization is essentially operating along the same KPIs.

Nehal Chokshi
Analyst, Northland Capital

Okay, great. Thank you.

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Thank you, Nehal Chokshi.

Operator

As a reminder, please press star one to ask a question. Our next question is from Brian Essex with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Brian Essex
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hi, guys. I just thought I'd circle back with a couple follow-ups. I guess one on gross margin. It looks meaningfully better this quarter, better than we expected. Maybe Sophia, if you could provide us with some puts and takes around gross margin, the margin expansion you saw in the quarter, and what to expect going forward.

Sophia Wu
CFO, AvePoint

Yes. Our higher-than-expected gross margin was partially due to the revenue mix as we continue to shift towards subscription, it's also a result of improvement in our service margin. We do expect this gross margin to remain at this level through the rest of the year.

Brian Essex
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Subscription gross margin looks like it improved as well, like 300 basis points. Was that scalability over Azure? Was it just incremental margins as incremental subscription added to the platform? How do we think about this and sustainability of these kind of margin levels on a per segment basis going forward?

Sophia Wu
CFO, AvePoint

What you said is true. We would expect this to continue for the future quarters.

Brian Essex
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. I guess, to add on to that's very helpful. Given incremental investment that you made in the platform to approach this market opportunity that you had, I think before we've had some kind of visibility into operating margin expansion over the next several years. Any shift in those expectations? Do we kind of think about ongoing expansion after a year of investment? Strategically, how do we think about your kind of progression to better profitability going forward, given obviously you're focused on growth as well, but just wondering how you're balancing the two.

Sophia Wu
CFO, AvePoint

Yes. We always want to reach a good balance between growth and provide a meaningful return to our shareholders. Our long-term growth margin, 75%, and we expect our non-GAAP EBIT target in the long- term to be at 25%.

Brian Essex
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. I guess I'll follow up afterwards, but I'll hop back in the queue. Thank you.

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Thank you, Brian. Yeah, this is TJ. From the business perspective, we clearly have a massive TAM in front of us. We want to accelerate our ability to capture that. Yeah, we will play a nice balanced play between revenue growth and profitability. Ultimately, we want to stay north of that rule of 40 as the benchmark guidance and measurements against SaaS companies. Whether that's 30% growth versus 10% profitability or 40% growth versus neutral profitability, that's something we'll continue to work on. Ultimately, we want to go after the TAM in front of us quicker.

Operator

Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the question and answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to TJ Jiang, Co-founder and CEO, for closing remarks.

TJ Jiang
CEO, AvePoint

Well, thank you everyone. Thank you for taking the time to listen to our first earnings call. Thank you for your support. I really appreciate AvePoint employees for your hard work and AvePoint investors for your support. We continue to execute on our business as we have laid out previously, and we look forward to future earning calls with you. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.