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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

May 6, 2022

Operator

Good morning. My name is Latonya, and I will be your conference facilitator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Boise Cascade's first quarter 2022 conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer period. If you would like to ask a question during that time, simply press star and then the number one on your telephone keypad. Questions will be taken in order as they are received. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press the pound key. Before we begin, I remind you that this call may contain forward-looking statements about the company's future business prospects and anticipated financial performance. These statements are not guarantees of future performance, and the company undertakes no duty to update them.

Although these statements reflect management's expectations today, they are subject to a number of business risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in this call. For a discussion of the factors that may cause actual results to differ from the results anticipated, please refer to Boise Cascade's recent filings with the SEC. It is now my pleasure to introduce you to Kelly Hibbs, Senior Vice President, CFO, and Treasurer, Boise Cascade. Mr. Hibbs, you may begin your conference.

Kelly Hibbs
Senior VP, CFO, and Treasurer, Boise Cascade Company

Thank you. Thank you, Latonya, and good morning, everyone. I would like to welcome you to Boise Cascade's first quarter 2022 earnings call and business update. Joining me on today's call are Nate Jorgensen, our CEO, Mike Brown, head of our Wood Products operations, and Jeff Strom, head of our Building Materials Distribution operations. Turning to slide two, I would point out the information regarding our forward-looking statements. The appendix includes reconciliations from our GAAP net income to EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA and segment income to segment EBITDA. I will now turn the call over to Nate.

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Thanks, Kelly. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining for our earnings call today. I'm on slide three. 2022 is off to a tremendous start with both of our businesses delivering outstanding operating and financial results. Our consolidated first quarter sales of $2.3 billion were up 28% from the first quarter of 2021. Our net income was $302.6 million, or $7.61 per share compared to net income of $149.2 million or $3.76 per share in the year ago quarter. In first quarter of 2022, total U.S. housing starts increased 10% compared to the same period last year. Single-family housing starts, the primary driver of our sales volumes, increased 4%.

Wood Products reported segment EBITDA of $203.8 million in the first quarter compared to $110.4 million in the year ago quarter. Wood Products benefited from improved EWP sales realization and plywood sales prices compared to last year's first quarter. Wood Products continued to focus on manufacturing production levels in response to continued strong end product demand for our EWP during the quarter. Building Materials Distribution reported segment EBITDA of $232.5 million on sales of $2.1 billion for the first quarter, compared to $126 million of segment EBITDA on sales of $1.6 billion in the comparative prior year quarter.

While BMD's results were favorably impacted by escalating commodity product prices during the majority of the quarter, increasing margins across EWP and general line products continued to be a consistent and key driver of BMD's outstanding results. Kelly will walk through the financial results in more detail, and then I'll come back and provide our outlook before we take your questions. Kelly.

Kelly Hibbs
Senior VP, CFO, and Treasurer, Boise Cascade Company

Thank you, Nate. I'm on slide four. Wood Products sales in the first quarter, including sales to our distribution segment, were $558.9 million, compared to $432.3 million in first quarter of 2021. As Nate mentioned, Wood Products reported segment EBITDA of $203.8 million, up from EBITDA of $110.4 million reported in the year ago quarter. The increase in segment EBITDA was due primarily to higher EWP and plywood sales prices, offset partially by higher wood fiber costs and other manufacturing costs. BMD sales in the quarter were $2.1 billion, up 29% from first quarter 2021.

BMD reported segment EBITDA of $232.5 million in the first quarter compared to segment EBITDA of $126 million in the prior year quarter. The improvement in segment EBITDA was driven by a gross margin increase of $133.6 million, resulting from improved gross margins across substantially all product lines. The margin improvement was offset partially by increased selling and distribution expenses of $25.5 million. Turning to slide five. Our first quarter sales volumes for LVL were up 6%, while sales volumes for I-Joist were down 9% compared with first quarter 2021. Transportation constraints continued to hinder our ability to consistently move finished goods inventory into the marketplace. Inbound transportation issues for webstock also negatively impacted I-Joist production during the first quarter.

Demand for EWP continued to be strong, and our order files remain extended. Pricing in first quarter for I-Joist and LVL were up 3% and 2% respectively compared with fourth quarter 2021 as previously announced price increases continued to take effect. We expect high single-digit sequential price increases in second quarter 2022, reflecting pricing actions taken in early 2022. Turning to slide six. Our first quarter plywood sales volume in Wood Products was 317 million feet compared to 303 million feet in first quarter 2021. Our veneer and plywood mills operated well during the quarter, allowing us to benefit from strong plywood pricing. The $689 per thousand average plywood net sales price in first quarter was up 24% from first quarter 2021, and up 72% sequentially.

As we moved into second quarter, plywood pricing declined. Our price realizations through April are approximately 12% below our first quarter average. In addition, we expect second quarter plywood volumes of approximately 300 million sq ft as our project at Chester, South Carolina to replace a veneer dryer has commenced and will negatively impact near-term production volumes. Moving to slide seven. BMD's first quarter sales were $2.1 billion, up 29% from first quarter 2021, driven by sales price increases as sales volumes were flat. By product line, commodity sales increased 22%, general line product sales increased 30%, and EWP increased 54%. Gross margin dollars generated improved by $133.6 million in first quarter compared with the same quarter last year, resulting from improved gross margins across substantially all product lines.

The gross margin percentage for BMD was 18%, up 290 basis points from the 15.1% reported in first quarter 2021. BMD's EBITDA margin was 11% for the quarter, up from the 7.7% reported in the year ago quarter. BMD's sales pace thus far in second quarter 2022 remains strong across product lines, and we continue to benefit from the stability and strength of EWP and general line products. The BMD team has also done a great job of mitigating our exposure to the commodity price declines we experienced in April. I'm now on slide eight. This slide shows the rise in lumber pricing during first quarter 2022, followed by sharp declines beginning in the second quarter as downside price risk created hesitancy across the marketplace.

Pricing has shown signs of stabilization in recent weeks as we move into spring building season. Turning to slide nine, one can see similar pricing patterns for the Random Lengths composite panel index. We expect future commodity product pricing will continue to be volatile, with ongoing challenges with transportation and labor having a meaningful influence on supply-side uncertainties. On slide 10, we have set out the key elements of our working capital. Net working capital, excluding cash, income tax items, and accrued interest, increased $214.3 million during the first quarter, representing a seasonal use of cash. The increase in accounts receivable was driven by strong sales in March 2022. Inventories increased in both segments, particularly BMD, due primarily to increased inventory valuations.

The increase in accounts payable and accrued liabilities was driven by increased inventories and higher accrued rebates, offset partially by employee incentive compensation payouts made during the quarter. The statistical information filed as Exhibit 99.2 to our 8-K has the receivables, inventory, and accounts payable data broken down by segment for those interested in the detail. Turning to slide 11. We finished first quarter with $923 million of cash. Our total available liquidity at March 31 was approximately $1.3 billion, which reflects our cash and availability under our committed bank line. We had $445 million of outstanding debt at March 31, 2022. We expect capital expenditures in 2022 to total approximately $110 million-$130 million.

Included in our capital spending range is funding to complete organic expansions in Ohio, Kentucky, and Minnesota, and a new dryer at our Chester, South Carolina veneer and plywood plant. Availability of engineering and construction resources and timing and availability of equipment purchases is expected to have an influence on 2022 spending. Our effective tax rate is expected to be between 25% to 27%. We also estimate remitting between $165 million and $185 million of income tax payments during Q2 2022 for estimated payments on 2022 income. Yesterday, our board approved a $0.12 per share quarterly dividend and a $2.50 per share supplemental dividend payable on June 15 to stockholders of record on June 1st.

After payment of the dividends and previously mentioned tax payments, our balance sheet remains well-positioned to support internal growth initiatives as well as opportunistic acquisitions as we move through 2022. Nate will speak more to our avenues for growth shortly. As we have demonstrated in the past, if our cash exceeds the opportunities ahead of us, we will utilize mechanisms to return cash to our shareholders. Our overarching objective remains to successfully grow our business while generating appropriate returns on shareholder capital. I will turn it back over to Nate to discuss our business outlook.

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Thanks, Kelly. I'm on slide number 12. The demand environment for new residential construction continues to be favorable, supported by demographics in the U.S. and continuation of work from home practices by many in the economy. We expect demand to remain strong in 2022, with April blue chip consensus for U.S. housing starts at 1.65 million. In addition, limited new and existing home inventory availability and the age of U.S. housing stock will continue to provide a favorable backdrop for residential construction and repair and remodel spending.

Although we believe that current U.S. demographics support the forecasted level of housing starts and many national home builders are reporting strong near-term backlogs, labor shortages and supply-induced constraints on residential construction activity may continue to extend build times and limit activity. In addition, the pace of residential construction and repair and remodel, remodeling activity may be affected by the economic impact and the cost of building materials and construction, housing affordability, wage growth, prospective home buyers access to financing and consumer confidence as well as other factors. In Wood Products, we continue to enjoy strong demand and pricing momentum for EWP. Capital projects will continue to focus on veneer production to support our EWP growth, which includes completion of our Chester Dryer project in early third quarter.

BMD continues with its steady execution of organic growth and is progressing well with its build-out of our expansion projects in Marion, Ohio, Walton, Kentucky, and Lakeville, Minnesota. The BMD team also continues to work a solid pipeline of additional organic growth opportunities in existing and new markets that we expect to share in upcoming quarters. These projects will add capacity to our system in support of our customers and suppliers. BMD continues to execute at a high level as we navigate a fluid market conditions. We expect continued firm pricing in our EWP and general product line categories and remain confident we will effectively manage impacts and capture opportunities associated with fluctuating commodity prices. The extraordinary results of last year's second quarter will make our upcoming comparative results challenging, but we fully expect to deliver another solid quarter when we speak again in the summer.

Our company remains incredibly well-positioned, and we will continue to make sure we use our operating and financial strength to the benefit of our customers, suppliers, communities, and shareholders. Our balance sheet provides us great flexibility to continue our pursuit of further organic or M&A growth opportunities. Lastly, I want to express my gratitude to our associates, whose can-do attitude and customer-focused mindset continues to make our tremendous results possible. Thank you for joining us today and your continued support and interest in Boise Cascade. We would welcome any questions at this time. Latonya, would you please open the phone lines?

Operator

Certainly. Ladies and gentlemen, if you do have a question at this time, please press star then one on your touch tone telephone. Again, please press star then one for any questions. Our first question comes from Mark Wilde of Bank of Montreal. Your line is open.

Mark Wilde
Managing Director, Bank of Montreal

Morning, Nate. Good morning, Kelly.

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Good morning.

Mark Wilde
Managing Director, Bank of Montreal

My mom always used to say, "No good deed goes unpunished." Looking at your stock this morning, that seems to be the case. Just looking at the quarter, I wondered, Nate, if you could just help us unpack that decline in EWP shipments. It sounds like some of it just was kinda constraints from web stock, but anything else would be helpful. It was surprising to me, given the fact that the industry's on allocation and demand is very strong.

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Yeah. Mark, let me just kind of tee it up for Mike Brown. To your point, the demand signal remains steady, strong, and consistent. To your point, the supply side, including logistics, was really the challenge that Mike and team worked through. Mike, do you want to add additional comments on that?

Mike Brown
EVP, Boise Cascade Company

Yeah. Good morning, Mark Wilde. Thanks very much for the question. I think as Nate Jorgensen pointed out in the prepared remarks and Nate's comments, we certainly would've liked to have made more and obviously sold more if we'd been able to get all the raw materials that we were looking for. You know, the webstock that we use comes from Canada. As I'm sure you're aware, there've been significant logistical issues north of the border. Yeah, really was a question about availability of webstock. We certainly hope in the not too far distant future that that situation will be resolved.

Mark Wilde
Managing Director, Bank of Montreal

Okay. Mike, just to kind of follow on that, it seems like more than almost any company I cover, you guys have really, you know, wrestled with kind of COVID-related labor issues over the last six or seven quarters. Can you just give us some sense of how that's doing at this point? Because it wasn't something you called out in your release, so I don't know if that's a marker that it's actually improving.

Mike Brown
EVP, Boise Cascade Company

Yeah, Mark. Sort of interesting quarter. January actually was a terrible month for us in terms of COVID-related activity, if you wanna call it that. Since then, things have got markedly better. I certainly wouldn't say that COVID is no longer here, but when we look at our operations and, you know, look at the weekly updates from each of the regional managers, the number of absentees that we have now due to COVID is, I'd say, at its lowest in probably the last two years. Still some, but almost zero. Maybe it was the process that we put in place almost two years ago. Certainly, we've seen a marked improvement in terms of the COVID side of things.

Yeah, that's really why we didn't call it out.

Mark Wilde
Managing Director, Bank of Montreal

Okay. All right. Nate, I wondered if you or Kelly could give us a little more kind of granularity on where the CapEx dollars are going in both segments this year. I think the number that you're pointing to is probably the biggest CapEx year that you've had since you became a public company.

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Yeah. No. You're right, Mark, and that's fair. I would tell you we have a pretty big range there. You'll notice the 110 to 130, and 130 is probably aspirational given the supply chain challenges we've talked about. Breaking it between the two segments a little bit for you. Wood Products, we're targeting about $60 million for this year. To give you a few highlights on that, and Mike can correct me if I'm wrong here, but we've got the Chester dryer we talked about.

That's probably $6 million or so that we're gonna get spent this year to get that up and functional probably early third quarter. We've also got a fair bit of work going in the Southeast as normal to make sure we secure and support efficient veneer supply in our system. Projects at Florien around some lathe work, Oakdale, some dryer controls and infrastructure, and then Alexandria, you know, a few things to continue to improve our I-line there. That's probably the highlights I'd hit for you on Wood Products.

In BMD, you know, in our comments, we hit on the three organic expansions we're working, our Walton, Kentucky, and then our Greenfield in Marion, and then our brownfield in Walton, Kentucky, that really is part of the broader Cincinnati, Ohio market. All those three are active and probably combined, we're probably looking at around $20 million or so this year related to those projects that will get spent. We've got a good amount of rolling stock that we're hoping to get purchased this year as well. Some of that's probably not gonna come in as quick as we would like.

If you think about, you know, 38 locations across our system and Hyster and trucks and trailers, that's a pretty sizable number for us that we're probably hoping to spend $25 million or so this year. Then lastly, we can't forget inflation and the impact that has on our capital spending across our system. That's how I'd summarize it for you, Mark.

Mark Wilde
Managing Director, Bank of Montreal

Okay. Just one more on the capital side for either you or Nate. You know, you have been, you've added, I think, a few of these door and window shops, and you've talked about sort of, you know, other kind of unique site-specific places where you're expanding your product line. I'm just curious, are you comfortable enough with like, particularly the door and window shops that you wanna start to roll that strategy out a little more aggressively?

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Yeah, Mark, it's Nate. I'll let me take that one. I think we, you know, in terms of the door, the millwork side of things, we like that business. You know, obviously we've grown that business and specifically in Texas with our two new locations there, and we continue to look for, you know, other opportunities to grow that platform. So my view is that that'll be an important part of our growth story in BMD moving forward, and I think we've got the, you know, the right level of, you know, support both from our customers and suppliers to, you know, continue to advance that conversation across other markets.

Yeah, that is, for me, part of our growth story and plan as we head over the next couple of years.

Mark Wilde
Managing Director, Bank of Montreal

Okay. All right. Then the last one for me. You know, if mortgage rates going up start to slow kind of housing activity, where would you expect to be able to see this or detect it first, Nate?

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Yeah, I think you know, there's probably a couple of spots. You know, obviously we have you know, the privilege to have very close relationships with you know, not only our direct customers, but also the parts of the builder community and really understand what that demand signal looks like, also in the repair and remodel. I think, you know, for me, Mark, the things that we'll be you know, centered on is cost of money and what's happening there. We'll be looking closely at inventory levels in terms of unsold inventory, both in terms of new and existing homes. Those will be important demand signals that we'll continue to monitor.

I think it's my expectation is you know, we feel you know, good about what's in front of us here short term, but longer term, I think we're gonna stay you know, centered and you know, focused on what the demand environment looks like. Long term, we feel good about this industry and the fundamentals, but also recognize the cost of money and some maybe recessionary pressures might be out there that we'll have to make sure we're monitoring and adjust as appropriate.

Mark Wilde
Managing Director, Bank of Montreal

Okay. Sounds good. I'll turn it over. Thanks, Nate.

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Our next question comes from Susan Maklari of Goldman Sachs. Your line's open.

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Morning.

Susan Maklari
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Good morning. I don't know. Did she mean Susan Maklari?

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Oh, good morning, Sue. That is the name we expected. Go ahead.

Susan Maklari
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Oh, there we go. I'm sorry. I misheard her. I'm sorry about that. Well, good morning, everyone, and congrats on a good quarter. You know, I think my first question is sort of thinking about this bigger picture. You know, last summer it was the DIY market that kind of caused prices to come down. When we look out this year, it feels as if the supply-demand environment is obviously to some extent, a bit more disciplined, perhaps. Obviously, things on the ground are exceptionally tight, it seems, on the EWP side and even just sort of across building materials.

As we get into summer, how are you thinking about the overall sort of landscape and, you know, the ability to continue to see some of those volumes rise and maybe even on a relative basis, supporting pricing as we move to the back half of the year?

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Yeah, Susan, it's Nate. Good morning. Let me, I'll start and then ask the team to, you know, maybe fill in any blanks. I think as we look at the overall demand environment, and to your point, you know, as I think the marketplace reflects on what took place in the third quarter of last year, to your whether the discipline is the right description, but I think there's more, you know, people are very focused on risk versus reward. I think the market, you know, in terms of demand signal feels, again, good, steady, consistent, and we're expecting that as we, you know, now kinda climb into the spring housing season.

I think also people are somewhat measured in making sure that, you know, the risk-reward equation makes sense. I think that that'll be, I think a key theme as we go through the course of 2022. Frankly, that matches up really well with, you know, who we are and what we do. Obviously, I think there'll be perhaps a bit more even dependence on wholesale two-step distribution, on a range of products and services as, again, people try to manage those risks. I know our Jeff and our BMD team is really well positioned to, you know, support customers as they, again, as they kinda navigate, you know, some potential changes in the marketplace.

Again, overall, we feel, you know, good about where things are at. Again, we see and feel the market, you know, again, managing that risk-reward as we go into the latter part of second quarter and third quarter.

Susan Maklari
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yeah. Okay. That's helpful color. I guess, you know, when we do think further out, if we do get a bigger than expected slowdown in housing, and, you know, things do sort of turn as we get into next year, how do you think about the stickiness of some of the pricing that has been put through, I guess, especially on the EWP side? Even just, you know, as you think about your distribution arm, the pricing that those manufacturers are passing through, how do you just in general think about the sustainability of some of the inflation that is moving through the channel today?

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Yeah, I'll start, and then, you know, Mike and Jeff and Kelly can jump in here as well. I think in terms of, obviously, you know, pricing and on some products and services comes down to supply and demand balance. As I think as we look at several of the categories that we're in today, things remain very tensioned in terms of supply and demand, and essentially under allocation. You know, there would need to be, you know, probably a reasonable adjustment on demand, or increase in supply, you know, for that equation to change. I think there is still in the marketplace on those products and services, great desire to purchase product.

We don't see any, you know, kind of hesitancy, at least short term on any of those items. I think as we, you know, if we see some sort of, you know, kind of disruption on the demand side, I love how our organization and business is positioned to compete in that environment. We have, I think, you know, the talent, you know, the resources and the capability to, you know, to grow, and gain share as appropriate, you know, should those market conditions allow us to take advantage of maybe a little bit lower demand environment overall and more steady supply as a result.

Again, it's something that we're watching carefully, but the things, you know, settle down in terms of the demand side of things. Again, we see an opportunity to pivot in terms of how do we perhaps again play offense and continue to grow our position.

Susan Maklari
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yeah. Okay. That's great color, Nate. Thank you. I'm gonna squeeze one more in, which is, you know, I know last night you announced the supplemental dividend along with your quarterly dividend. You know, can you just talk a little bit about capital allocation? When you do think about the outlook for the business, is there any interest at all in doing some buybacks? Or how should we think about, you know, shareholder returns or just capital allocation in general?

Kelly Hibbs
Senior VP, CFO, and Treasurer, Boise Cascade Company

Yeah. Sue, this is Kelly. Our script is very much the same in terms of how we think about it, first and foremost, investing in ourselves. You've heard about our expanded capital program that we have, and then we've signaled that there's a number of other organic opportunities in BMD that are in the pipeline that we hope to speak more to in the future as those come to fruition. We want to keep that modest quarterly dividend that's sustainable through any business cycle. After that, we'll look to grow, whether that's M&A or further organic projects like we've spoken to. We'll bounce all that up against what our balance sheet looks like and our cash position and how we return it. You've heard us speak many times.

Obviously, the two levers there are share repurchases and supplemental dividends. To your question specific to share repurchases, we view that more as an opportunistic buy for us. We wanna buy those at a meaningful discount. At this point, the cadence of the conversation continues with the board, and we've elected to do a supplemental dividend this time around.

Susan Maklari
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yeah. Okay. I assume the supplement sort of reflects your confidence, obviously in the outlook. I mean, you know, we're still only in the first half of the year, but it's good to see it coming through.

Kelly Hibbs
Senior VP, CFO, and Treasurer, Boise Cascade Company

Yeah, sure. Yeah. I mean, we are confident for 2022. We feel really good about our balance sheet and really good about some of the things in the pipeline for BMD, for sure.

Susan Maklari
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yeah. Okay. Well, great. Thank you for all the color, and good luck with everything.

Kelly Hibbs
Senior VP, CFO, and Treasurer, Boise Cascade Company

Thanks, Susan.

Susan Maklari
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yep.

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Our next question comes from Kurt Yinger of D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Kurt Yinger
Senior VP and Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Great. Thank you, and good morning, everyone.

Kelly Hibbs
Senior VP, CFO, and Treasurer, Boise Cascade Company

Good morning, Kurt.

Kurt Yinger
Senior VP and Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Morning. Wanted to start out on EWP and hoping you could talk a little bit about how many quarters you think it will be until the Q1 price increases are kind of fully implemented? Second, can you talk a little bit about where order files currently stand and just the level of visibility on the volume side there?

Kelly Hibbs
Senior VP, CFO, and Treasurer, Boise Cascade Company

I'll take the second part first. Order files, and I think you're talking specific to EWP, they are still extended. We can sell what we can make, assuming we can get wheels underneath it. The demand side is strong. On pricing, I referenced 10% sequentially, second quarter compared to first.

I would say that's with the early 2022 price increase that we announced, the fuse, if you will, in terms of the different mechanisms that kind of defer that pricing realization, that window is a little bit shorter this time than it has been in previous increase announcements. We expect high single digits each of the next two sequential quarters. After that, we think, you know, barring any future increases, we've pretty well got everything realized at that point.

Kurt Yinger
Senior VP and Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Got it. Okay. That's helpful. Thanks, Kelly. I guess on the BMD side, was hoping you could talk a little bit at a high level any kind of notable changes in demand patterns across the different kind of customer cohorts. Over the last month and a half or so, home center demand has kind of been cited as the big driving force in terms of the short-lived correction in commodity prices. Has that turned around more recently? Is that a product specific kind of phenomena or, consistent with what you saw in maybe other general line categories as well?

Jeff Strom
EVP and Building Materials Distribution, Boise Cascade Company

Hey, Kurt, this is Jeff. I'll tell you on the demand side for all products, it's strong across everything. You know, it absolutely is. It hasn't abated at all. Then when you talk about the home center, you know, think of when we kind of break what goes through there a little bit, the professional remodeler business, that demand has been very strong, has remained that way. But as prices ticked up, the do-it-yourselfers, that seemed to be where it slowed down a little bit. Then the prices corrected and you asked if it picked back up. I tell you from where we're sitting, it absolutely has, since things corrected.

Kurt Yinger
Senior VP and Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Got it. Jeff, that kind of price sensitivity is, I guess, mostly isolated to commodities then. You're not seeing that same type of pullback in, you know, other categories that, you know, pricing is still up pretty significantly year-over-year?

Jeff Strom
EVP and Building Materials Distribution, Boise Cascade Company

Yeah, no, it's definitely been on the commodity side. It was just very similar to last year when the commodities got up to the levels they did, it hit the wall and it did the same thing this year for the do-it-yourselfers particularly.

Kurt Yinger
Senior VP and Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Got it. Okay, that's helpful. It sounds like the rebuild at the Scotch mill is kind of complete after the fire last year. Is that something that could provide you guys some relief in terms of third-party veneer supply or not really?

Mike Brown
EVP, Boise Cascade Company

Yes. Good morning, Kurt. It's Mike. Yes, we have a long-standing relationship with the folks at Swanson. You are correct. The information I have is that the green end project is pretty much up and finished. They're running more or less at or very close to the production levels that they had before the fire. We were actually able to assist Swanson during the rebuild phase by supplying them with some of our green veneer. We won't see a tremendous increase in the supply of veneer from the Swanson Group Plywood, even though the green end's up and running. It's more swapping the veneer that they will peel themselves for the veneer that we were sending them from one of our facilities.

Yes, it will certainly help a little bit, but it's not a major or a significant increase in availability of veneer to us.

Kurt Yinger
Senior VP and Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Got it. Okay. That's helpful. Thanks, Mike. Just my last one, on capital allocation, and maybe M&A specifically. Could you just talk about kind of the strategic priorities and maybe focus areas with M&A? You know, just whether you think there is a possibility of putting some cash to work with deals this year.

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Yeah, Kurt, it's Nate. Let me, I'll take that one. I think as we look at our wood products opportunities and specifically our EWP franchise, I think that, you know, we're still centered on how do we grow our veneer capabilities. Obviously that's an important part, it has been an important part of who we are and will continue to be going forward. We wanna continue to look at how do we strengthen our capabilities there and continue to build upon again the platform that we currently have in place. That remains an important opportunity.

I would say, you know, maybe behind that within wood products, we continue to look at, you know, maybe the opportunity around mass timber, you know, what does that opportunity look like? That's probably more of a long-term opportunity for us in the industry. That is something that we continue to work and better understand in terms of what our fit and where our position might be in that opportunity moving forward. For BMD, we really have it probably broken down into three pieces. One is around how do we, you know, grow and support our existing footprint.

We have been doing that in several examples over the last couple of years in terms of expanding our capabilities and capacity in support of our growing business as well as our growing product mix and vendors that we're supporting. Probably the second element is in BMD there are markets today that we serve, but we serve from a distance. An opportunity to get a little bit closer to market to increase our presence and our service is something that is gonna continue to be important for us as we move forward.

Then finally, just to you know maybe circle back on the question I think Mark had on just on our door shop and our millwork franchise, that remains an important part of how we think about capital and growth for BMD as we move forward. Those would be probably the three components within BMD. Again as we described earlier, we're well positioned to financially work those opportunities. I think we have again really good clarity and focus on what are the key growth levers that we need to be working across both in wood products and BMD.

Kurt Yinger
Senior VP and Research Analyst, D.A. Davidson

All right. Well, appreciate the color, Nate, and good luck here in Q2, guys.

Reuben Garner
Managing Director and Construction Research Analyst, The Benchmark Company

Thanks, Kurt.

Operator

Our next question comes from Reuben Garner of Benchmark. Your line's open.

Reuben Garner
Managing Director and Construction Research Analyst, The Benchmark Company

Thanks. Good morning, everybody. Excuse me. A couple questions on BMD, if I could. I guess first, can you talk about. I think you mentioned in your prepared remarks how the business held up pretty well here recently with the correction. Can you put any numbers on that any way you could kinda give us an idea where the gross margin's been quarter to date in the second quarter, kind of accounting for that commodity correction?

Kelly Hibbs
Senior VP, CFO, and Treasurer, Boise Cascade Company

Yeah, sure. Good question, Reuben. Good morning. Let me maybe start with a little bit of a reminder of Q1. It was just kind of the quarter of a trifecta, if you will, when you think about our gross margins. We had escalating commodity prices for the majority of the quarter, and we continue to see really good margins and margin growth across our EWP and general product line. We had the trifecta that really got us to the 18% gross margin. Your question about, okay, tell us how you're doing so far in the second quarter. Our sales pace is really consistent with first quarter. It's stayed very strong.

The margin goodness we get from EWP and general line remains, and it's probably getting a little bit of escalation there. We've done a really good job in April of kind of managing and mitigating the negative impacts of commodities. We've essentially worked through that high-cost inventory. Has it caused some margin squeeze in April? Yes, absolutely. It's nothing like we saw, if you remember, a year ago, third quarter. The duration of that decline as well as of the steepness of that decline is nothing like we've experienced here in the second quarter, and we've found a flat spot here in the last several weeks in commodities.

I would tell you know, I won't give you a specific number, but I would tell you our gross margins through April are much closer to year ago's second quarter than they are to year ago's third quarter.

Reuben Garner
Managing Director and Construction Research Analyst, The Benchmark Company

Perfect. That's very helpful, Kelly. Within BMD or staying within BMD, the general line, sales were very strong again. Can you talk to us about how much of that 30 points of growth is driven by price versus volume? And then, you know, any specific product categories to call out that's allowing you guys to grow, allowing you guys to continue to grow that fast on top of what are increasingly difficult comps?

Jeff Strom
EVP and Building Materials Distribution, Boise Cascade Company

Hey, Reuben, this is Jeff. On the growth, if you think about the lack of supply and how difficult it is, the growth has been 100% driven on price. There is no volume growth there. If we could get it, we know we could grow it.

There isn't a product line on the general line that we're selling that is not in that situation right now that's still tensioned up. It's kind of across the board on everything.

Reuben Garner
Managing Director and Construction Research Analyst, The Benchmark Company

Okay. Perfect. That's interesting. Last one, I think, if I could sneak one more in. The engineered wood business within BMD continues to grow faster or looks to me to be continuing to grow faster than your EWP business, from a manufacturing standpoint. How much more runway do you have there to sell more internally or through your own distribution?

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Hey, Reuben, it's Nate. Just me. I'll take that one. I think in terms of the overall EWP category, obviously, it remains, you know, under allocation. Again, as we've described earlier, we expect that scenario to continue. I think when you look at the internal consumption by BMD as compared to a product that is sold to independent third-party distribution, a bit of change in terms of our external third-party distribution footprint in terms of the relationship. So that when you look at comps, that I suspect is part of the equation. What we've tried to be is very consistent, fair, and predictable in terms of all of our relationships, internal and external when it comes to EWP and allocation.

That would be, again, probably a bit of a channel change last year that's contributing to that difference, as opposed to taking a kind of a material different view of how we think about internal versus external distribution.

Reuben Garner
Managing Director and Construction Research Analyst, The Benchmark Company

Understood. Sorry, I said last one, but I wanna sneak one more small one in, if I could. If I have the numbers correct here, that was the first quarter in a while of volume growth for plywood, and I know that's been a focus using the veneer for more, you know, valuable uses or more valuable means internally. Anything unique about the first quarter there? Was that just a one-off? You know, I guess any color you could provide would be helpful.

Mike Brown
EVP, Boise Cascade Company

Yeah, Reuben, it's Mike. Yeah. You know, I think the number was, in rounded up was 317 million feet of plywood. If you look back at 2021, we had one quarter that was significantly more than that. It was 337, and several other quarters that were right around, you know, 305, 310. As a general rule of thumb, we sort of tend to run around the 310 million feet of plywood each quarter. Sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less, depends how we run. You can imagine. But it's, there's no sort of structural change the way we're doing business.

We weren't deliberately trying to put any additional fiber into plywood as compared to EWP because we just don't run our business that way. It was just one of those sort of series of events that led to us making a bit more plywood as compared to, for example, the prior quarter, which was, I think, 305, if I remember correctly. Nothing structurally different, I promise you.

Reuben Garner
Managing Director and Construction Research Analyst, The Benchmark Company

Perfect. Thanks, guys. I just wanted to clarify. Congrats on the quarter and good luck going forward.

Mike Brown
EVP, Boise Cascade Company

Thanks, Reuben.

Operator

Our next question comes from George Staphos of Bank of America. Your line is open.

George Staphos
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Bank of America Securities

Hi, everyone. Good morning. How you doing? Nice quarter. I guess you can take the rest of the year off if you'd like. Probably won't happen. I wanted to hit a little bit on EWP and ply. If possible, you know, you talked about Florien, you talked about Alex, you obviously have the Chester project. In broad strokes, if you don't wanna be granular, you know, what will that do both to your veneer and EWP, you know, production in terms of growth? What does that add to you know, on an annualized basis looking out to 2023 and beyond?

Should we expect kinda relatedly, you know, in ply, are you running close to 300 through 3Q since the project at Chester won't be done until early 3Q, or will you see, you know, better production there?

Mike Brown
EVP, Boise Cascade Company

Okay. I'll start and of course, others will chip in as appropriate, George. Let me start with Chester. Okay?

George Staphos
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Bank of America Securities

Yep.

Mike Brown
EVP, Boise Cascade Company

The project at Chester is a very small dryer. We have three dryers there. It's the smallest of the dryers. Effectively it will be out of service for, like, one quarter. Because of the size of that, the total gross impact on veneer production at Chester is sort of going to be from that dryer is sort of like 10 million feet that we'll lose. Not very much.

George Staphos
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Bank of America Securities

Okay.

Mike Brown
EVP, Boise Cascade Company

In the scheme of things, right? Don't forget that as Kelly pointed out, you know, our total production will be down a bit this quarter because we did something else at Chester. We actually took the whole mill down for three weeks because we had a boiler project. During the month of April, effectively the mill will only run for, like, one week. Okay? That will have a more significant impact, and I think Kelly's comment was more along the lines we should expect that our plywood volume in Q2 will be more like 300 than compared to the 317 that we saw in Q1.

George Staphos
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Bank of America Securities

Right.

Mike Brown
EVP, Boise Cascade Company

That's taking all that stuff into account. As it relates to, you know, will this make a significant impact on our ability to produce more EWP? The reality, unfortunately, in some respects is no. This small dryer in particular, we run mostly, not always, but we mostly run veneer through that that we call strip veneer, which actually goes into plywood, not into EWP. It doesn't give us a huge lift, even though it'll be a new dryer. There's not a significant lift in total stress-rated veneer production from this project. You asked about Florien, which has been an ongoing set of projects now for a number of years. That's mostly, I would say, complete.

We have some upside there, if you will, potentially in the future because we have another small dryer that we are thinking about replacing should we ever be able to find the parts to do it because they're now about two years away if we ordered them. Again, nothing that I see as sort of a significant step up in EWP production from internally generated veneer. The challenge, as you've heard me say several quarters at least, is that we do buy some veneer on the outside, and that has been particularly challenging in the Pacific Northwest of recent times, where I would add that, you know, like, log prices are very high. External suppliers of veneer have been challenged.

As a result, some of our availability has declined. Too a little bit, you know, we did buy a bit of veneer in the South as well. As I mentioned earlier, you know, with the Scotch green end project being completed, maybe there'll be a little bit of additional third-party veneer available. But in the scheme of things, this is sort of like a very small potential increase. Nothing really of any significance.

George Staphos
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Bank of America Securities

Mike, I mean, as you look out over the next couple of years then, I mean, should we assume your ability to produce is basically gonna be just along the lines of, you know, creep productivity, you know, 2% to 3%? If that's the right number. I don't know what the right number would be. That would basically be the limit, in terms of what we could see you produce and hit the market with?

Mike Brown
EVP, Boise Cascade Company

I guess I'd answer that question like this, George. We believe if we could get all the people we need for all the days of the year, and we could get all the veneer that we need to fill our current installed capacity, we might be able to produce about 6% more in total.

George Staphos
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Bank of America Securities

Okay.

Mike Brown
EVP, Boise Cascade Company

That's the sort of number that we have used regularly now for some period of time. The challenges are, you know, can we get all the people all the days? To the point I just made previously around can we possibly find some external veneer that would allow us to, you know, crank up production to sort of meet our nameplate capacity. That's obviously what we're trying to do. I will comment on your sort of question around productivity. If you go back more than a decade, sort of, you know, about the time of the Great Recession. If you look at the productivity of our machine centers, we've really squeezed most of the blood out of that stone.

You know, our machine centers have really improved tremendously because of the work of our folks. We might be able to get a little bit more because we are working on tuning some things and changing out some parts. To your point, it's very low percentage points. A point here or a point there. It's not like it. We won't get 6% just additional by productivity increases.

George Staphos
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Bank of America Securities

Understood. Appreciate that, the rundown there, Mike. Can you talk a little bit about where you see inventories in the chain right now? You know, there is, you know, a sort of standard narrative most of the year that inventories were lean. You know, maybe inventories were a little bit high in Canada, but that tension was allowing the markets to do what they've been doing. Are you seeing any build in inventory or are you seeing this continued, you know, destocking effect where buyers ultimately expect prices to head lower, which, you know, would make sense. Therefore, they're not really stocking up. Inventories are low, and therefore, you wind up with this continued tension in pricing in a good way, from your vantage point. How would you frame it, given that very broad question?

Jeff Strom
EVP and Building Materials Distribution, Boise Cascade Company

Hey, George, this is Jeff. I'd just say, you know, overall in general, I believe that the inventories in general are lean. If you think about the general line, the EWP, and even the millwork, they've all been strictly allocated, tough to get, the transportation issues. So that piece of it is definitely lean. On the commodity side, with the risk reward and where the numbers were, and people were definitely waiting for a correction, I would tell you that still seems to be lean out there right now as people are looking to buy back in. We've seen that from the demand that comes out of our warehouse. So there's still. If you look at where the numbers stopped this time and re-corrected, it's still a significant number.

There is still risk out there when you look where we're at right now, price-wise.

George Staphos
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Bank of America Securities

Okay. Thanks for that, Jeff. Two last ones on capital allocation, and I'll turn it over. You know, back to the question of the supplemental, and again, congratulations on the way you're allocating capital. I know it's tough to predict, we're not really asking you to do that, but you know, what factors would you need to see come into play for you to consider another supplemental this year? Because you know, at these rates, even with the regular dividend, even with the CapEx of $110 million to $130 million, you're gonna have excess cash. I recognize there are other things, other growth projects, potential M&A. You know, what would need to happen time-wise and consideration-wise such that you would consider another supplemental? Then my other question, and I'll turn it over.

You know, as you think about, you know, mass timber and CLT, would you consider, could you update us on your thoughts about whether you'd be willing to partner with anybody in that area? Is there any way to somehow get some benefit from the whole credit concept, which seems to be also driving people's interest in mass timber, recognizing that once it's cut down and put into, you know, a stud, it's, you know, that credit's no longer there. It's you know, it was in the harvesting or the deferral. How do you partner with people around getting more of an ESG credit for what you do, and in turn, how you might be able to use that in terms of applying capital to that business? Thanks, guys. Good luck in the quarter.

Kelly Hibbs
Senior VP, CFO, and Treasurer, Boise Cascade Company

Yeah. Thanks, George. I'll take the first part of your question around capital allocation. You hit on a lot of the things we talk about and think about in terms of when might we consider another supplemental dividend. I would tell you, we certainly wanna have more line of sight in terms of 2022, just in terms of operational performance. As we've alluded to, there's a number of things in the pipeline on BMD, a lot of organic projects in particular that we're working on and looking at. You know, the inbound activity is still pretty active also. We wanna stay patient and flexible and kinda see how those events roll out over the year.

If we end up getting, you know, towards the third, end of the third, beginning of the fourth quarter, and some of the organic or M&A things don't come to fruition, and we feel like we have more cash than appropriate, then we'll have that conversation again with the board around supplemental dividend or stock repurchase. I guess I'll turn it to Nate or Mike to address the CLT mass timber question.

Mike Brown
EVP, Boise Cascade Company

Yes. First things first there, George, on the partnering question. We were actually doing that already. It's sort of behind the scenes. You know, we're obviously not out there in the CLT market. You know, people like to talk about CLT as much as anything else. We have a group of folks led by a gentleman by the name of Dennis Pike that has been working in this space now for going on three years. We don't produce a lot of material that we are able to, you know, our own material that we can put into these sorts of projects at the moment because of our allocated situation on our traditional EWP.

We are involved in a small way already partnering with third parties to put together the supply of raw materials on a number of different projects. As a general statement, we are doing it, and we'll continue to do it, and if there is an opportunity that presents itself that's larger in scale, then we will certainly, you know, look at that, you know, very closely. The second question, part of your question, I believe, was around the carbon credit item and how that fits into ESG in general, if I had that.

George Staphos
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Bank of America Securities

Yeah. I was spitballing, to be quite honest with you, a little bit here, but how you-

Could somehow use that to stimulate demand and to some degree, you know, benefit from that value somehow, in terms of ultimately the capital that you would apply as you partner in the business and hopefully down the road, you know, grow it.

Mike Brown
EVP, Boise Cascade Company

Okay. This is a bit like you. This may not be the totally fully thought through answer to your question, but my personal view on the carbon credit side of things as it relates to mass timber, it could become a thing over time. It's sort of an add-on as opposed to the core component of why you would do mass timber. Again, if we can find a way to either use some of our traditional products or develop new products that we can put into mass timber and partner with other folks, there may be an additional upside premium that comes that falls to those that produce because of the carbon credit related issue. I think we're in the pretty early days of starting to find what that all looks like.

I'm not sure I'm quite game to tell you how much that might be and when it is and what it might look like. I'm going to hedge my bets and say we'll be taking a closer look over time. In my opinion, that's somewhat in the future and not the core part of how to justify mass timber buildings.

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Maybe, George.

Understood. That's for sure. Hey, Nate. Sorry.

Yeah, just a quick thought on that. As Mike described, as you think about, you know, wood competing against, steel and concrete, the story is exceptional. As Mike described, not just on the carbon side, but other elements in terms of construction and flexibility and design. We see that storyboard continue to build, you know, across the industry. As Mike described, it's probably measured in multiple years just given where things are at. Ultimately, we feel good about, you know, wood's ability to compete and win against, some of the alternatives of steel and concrete. Appreciate that. Thank you, Nate. Thank you, Mike. Talk to you guys soon. Thanks. Have a good quarter.

Operator

Our next question comes from Mark Wilde of Bank of Montreal. Your line is open.

Mark Wilde
Managing Director, Bank of Montreal

Yeah, just back over on building materials distribution. I'm just curious, how is the availability of other products, you know, doors, windows, roofing, other things where we've been hearing about shortages? Is that improving at all at this point?

Jeff Strom
EVP and Building Materials Distribution, Boise Cascade Company

Mark, this is Jeff. The door side is on strict allocation on the exterior doors and has been. In fact, if anything, the allocation got tighter, and now they're working hard just to try to get back to the allocated levels. That's kind of the same. On the roofing side, the little bit that we're in, it's been incredibly difficult as well. There has been, you know, no change in that whatsoever. Market state, maybe just another quick comment on, I think, you know, to, you know, other products and services in some cases that we don't represent or distribute, I think are having an impact on the, you know, the overall capability of, and capacity of our industry.

It sometimes is regionally specific, but I think, you know, today in certain markets, it's garage doors. You know, again, we don't do anything with garage doors, but it is limiting, you know, perhaps what the overall capacity for the housing industry is. I think we, you know, again, are kind of in some cases running from, you know, bottleneck to bottleneck on both supply and services. That is an element that has been with us for a period of time, and we would expect that storyline likely to remain as we go through the course of this year.

Mark Wilde
Managing Director, Bank of Montreal

Yeah. Okay. Well, along those lines, Nate, I wondered if you could just give us an update on sort of both log pricing in the South and West, and then any availability issues with, you know, other inputs, particularly things like resin or specialty resins.

Mike Brown
EVP, Boise Cascade Company

Mark, yes. I'll start with the second one first, resins. You know, thankfully, we have just tremendous partners in that particular space. You know, while there were some challenges going back to, you know, ice storms and the like some time ago, I'm very happy to say that, you know, our partners in supplying us with resin, you know, they didn't miss a beat. Yes, we had to shuffle a few things around here, there, and everywhere, but, you know, we didn't lose production because of a lack of resin supply. Just an opportunity to thank my resin partners because they did a great job. As it relates to log pricing, log pricing has gone up. There's no doubt about that.

In the south, there has been some, I would call it a relatively small incremental increase, you know, Q1 to Q1. That's sort of, I'd say, a sort of mid to low single digit sort of numbers. Some of that has to do with, you know, weather as always. There's been some challenging weather situations. I guess we'll see how that pans out over the next little while. As a very general comment, you know, a little bit of increase in the south, but nothing like the order of magnitude of sort of increases we've seen in the Pacific Northwest. You know, generally speaking, the increases in the west have been significantly higher.

I'd say, you know, sort of compared to Q1 of the prior year, not quite 10%, but in that order of magnitude. The challenge that we've seen has continued into Q2. The last set of data that I looked at sort of indicated that the prices that we're having to pay, it's not all day, every day, but for certain sales or purchase of certain sales of timber are kind of at all-time record highs. And that's a bit of a challenge for us, a bit of a challenge for the whole industry, to be honest. There's a variety of reasons behind that. I think as we move forward, they will start to tail off a little bit, but I don't see them sort of dropping immediately back to sort of like the historical levels.

Expect sort of sustained higher log costs for a period of time.

Mark Wilde
Managing Director, Bank of Montreal

Okay. Now the last one I had was just kinda going back to something George was asking about in terms of, you know, partnering up in the mass timber area. I'm just struck by the fact that we're starting to see some fairly innovative European companies invest in the wood products business over here, and it seems to me the wood products companies in Europe have been generally, you know, at the front edge of some of these new engineered products. I just wondered, you know, whether you would seem to be a pretty valuable, you know, entree into the market, channel to the market for companies like Binderholz and others as they start to build out here. Any thoughts on that?

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Yeah, Mark Wilde, it's Nate Jorgensen. I think, when you look at, you know, the mass timber opportunity here in North America, and then, to your point, you know, what's happening in other parts of the globe, Europe is well ahead of us. They've been building with mass timber for, in some cases, decades. I think in terms of maybe what our level of optimism and confidence about that being a relevant and capable solution moving forward, we do look and have spent time better understanding what the European market has done. Not surprising there perhaps are Europeans that are looking to expand their capabilities to other parts of the world.

I think, you know, part of that momentum has certainly been centered on, and again, in some cases, decades of experience in Europe, where they have proven mass timber, CLT can be a very competitive solution relative to steel and concrete. That's not a surprise, and it's something, again, we continue to learn from, not just what's happening in North America, but happening across the globe.

Mark Wilde
Managing Director, Bank of Montreal

Okay. All right. Sounds good. Good luck in the second quarter and through the year, Nate.

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Thanks, Mark.

Operator

I am showing no further questions. I would now like to turn the conference back to Nate for closing remarks.

Nate Jorgensen
CEO, Boise Cascade Company

Okay, great. Thanks, Latonya. Just again, we appreciate everyone joining us today for this morning's call and update, and we appreciate your continued interest and support of Boise Cascade. With that, please stay safe and be well. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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