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Earnings Call: Q4 2020

Jan 15, 2021

Speaker 1

Hello, and welcome to Citi's 4th Quarter 2020 Earnings Review with the Chief Executive Officer, Mike Corbat incoming Chief Executive Officer, Jane Fraser and Chief Financial Officer, Mark Mason. Today's call will be hosted by Elizabeth Lin, Head of Citi Investor Relations. We ask that you please hold all questions until the completion of the formal remarks, at which time you will be given instructions for the question and answer session. Also as a reminder, this conference is being recorded today. If you have any objections, please disconnect at this time.

Ms. Lynn, you may begin.

Speaker 2

Thank you, operator. Good morning, and thank you all for joining us. Before we get started, I'd like to remind you that today's presentation, which is available for download on our website, citigroup.com, may contain forward looking statements, which are based on management's current expectations and are subject to uncertainty and changes in circumstances. Actual results, capital and other financial conditions may differ materially from these statements due to a variety of factors, including the precautionary statements referenced in our discussion today and those included in our SEC filings, including without limitation, the Risk Factors section of our 2019 Form 10 ks. With that said, let me turn it over to Mike.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Liz, and good morning, everyone. Given this is my last earnings call with you, we're going to do things a little bit differently today. After I'm done speaking, I'll turn it over to Mark. And before we open up to Q and A, Jane will make some comments on the transformation she's been leading and how she So with that, let's go ahead and get started. We had a strong finish to a tumultuous year with net income of $4,600,000,000 and earnings per share of $2.08 in the 4th quarter.

We ended 2020 with over $11,000,000,000 in net income despite the doubling of credit reserves as a result of the pandemic and the impact of CECL. Overall, we increased our ACL by $10,000,000,000 over the course of the year. As a sign of the strength and durability of our diversified franchise, our revenues were flat to 2019 despite the massive economic impacts of COVID-nineteen globally. Our deposits were up nearly 20% as we supported our clients throughout the year, and we see significant franchise value and the growth that we're seeing in the deposit base. Turning to the Q4, our institutional clients group performed well as they have throughout the year, highlighted by our markets businesses, which saw revenues up 14% from the Q4 of 2019.

Banking saw a 7% revenue decline as investment banking activity slowed and low rates continued to impact Treasury and Trade Solutions, Although the private bank was a standout with a 6% increase. Our consumer banking revenues continued to be impacted by the pandemic, although we did see deposit growth in every region. In the U. S, our retail business did benefit from exceptionally high mortgage refinancing as homeowners saw opportunities in this ultra low rate environment. And we saw continued momentum in digital deposits.

In Mexico, lower loan volumes pressured our revenues. In Asia, card spending was down again, but we continue to see strong performance in Wealth Management. We remain very well capitalized with robust liquidity to serve our clients. Our common equity Tier 1 ratio increased to 11.8%, well above our regulatory minimum of 10%. Our tangible book value per share increased to $73.83 up 5% from a year ago, and we welcome the Federal Reserve's decision regarding share repurchases as we have excess capital, we can return to shareholders and we plan to resume buybacks during the current quarter.

Given my upcoming retirement from Citi at the end of February, I recently looked through some of the challenges we faced when I became CEO. And while there's always more work to do, I'm very proud of what the firm has accomplished. We're in a fundamentally different place than we were in October of 2012. We streamlined our consumer business and embraced the shift to digital, so we can serve our clients the way they want to be served. We've reestablished Citi as a go to bank for our institutional clients throughout our global network.

No matter what part of the world you're in, our bankers have a seat at table during the most significant transactions. We've optimized our capital base, working through our legacy assets and reducing our DTA by more than half, generating $7,000,000,000 of regulatory capital in the process. We dramatically increased the return of our capital to our shareholders. We went from a $0.01 dividend to returning over $85,000,000,000 in capital since 2013 and we've reduced our share count by 30%. Before the pandemic, we had significantly improved the quality and consistency of our earnings, our return on assets and return on our equity.

As a result of the pandemic, while the financial results this year aren't what I would have wanted them to be from my last year as CEO, in many ways, I couldn't be prouder. All the work we did to strengthen our firm helped us get through this extraordinary year, and I'm proud of the fact that we've shown we can go through a crisis and emerge even stronger, unlike the events of more than a decade ago. Just for context, let's compare 2012 to 2020. In 2020, the year of a pandemic, we had nearly $4,000,000,000 more net income, a 12 basis point higher return on assets and 180 basis points higher return on tangible common equity than we had in 2012. That shows you just how far Citi has come.

And we also showed what our firm is about by serving our customers, We donated his profits to COVID relief efforts, part of $100,000,000 in such grants we made throughout the year. And in the aftermath of the merger of George Floyd, we announced $1,000,000,000 in strategic actions to help close the racial wealth gap and increased economic mobility in the United States. As I said, there's always more to do, but I feel really good about the firm as Jane prepares to take over. She's thrown herself into the transformation we've launched to strengthen our risk and control environment and ensure that the firm operates with excellence in every area. I know she'll do everything she can to maximize returns and move Citi forward for the benefit of all of our stakeholders.

With that, Mark is going to go through the presentation.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Mike, and good morning, everyone. Starting on Slide 3, Citigroup reported 4th quarter net income of $4,600,000,000 Revenues declined 10% from the prior year. While trading remained strong, this was more than offset by the combined impact of lower interest rates and lower levels of consumer activity. Expenses were up 2% year over year, reflecting continued investment in our transformation, including infrastructure supporting our risk and control environment along with higher repositioning costs as we look to adjust capacity in targeted areas. Credit performance remains strong with credit losses of $1,500,000,000 down sequentially as well as year over year.

And cost of credit was roughly neutral for the quarter as these losses were offset by an ACL release of $1,500,000,000 driven primarily by an improvement in our base macro scenario. EPS was $2.08 and ROTCE was 11.4%. In constant dollars, end of period loans declined 4% year over year, reflecting lower spending activity in consumer as well as higher repayments across institutional and consumer. Deposits grew 19%, reflecting consistent client engagement with corporate clients building liquidity along with higher savings rates and reduced spending in consumer. Turning to full year results.

In 2020, we delivered solid performance despite the crisis with net income of over $11,000,000,000 even as we increased reserves by roughly $10,000,000,000 We ended the year with strong capital and liquidity and grew tangible book value throughout the year. On the top line, While the pandemic had a significant impact, we held full year revenues flat to 2019 with the decline in net interest revenues fully offset by higher non interest revenue. Expenses increased 2%, in line with guidance as we invested in our transformation. Results also included COVID-nineteen related expenses and the civil money penalty in the 3rd quarter, offset by lower discretionary spending and continued efficiency savings. Full year EPS also includes a $0.16 impact related to revising the previously determined accounting for third party of Reversing the benefit to net income with a corresponding increase to opening retained earnings for capital neutral as of year end.

On Slide 4, we provide additional detail on reserving As a reminder, these reserves include our estimate of lifetime credit losses tied to a specific base scenario as well as a management adjustment for economic uncertainty, which provides for the possibility for a more adverse outcome. Our reserve release this quarter primarily reflects our improving macroeconomic outlook. Although I would note, we did add to our management adjustment for of Economic uncertainty as the pace and shape of the recovery is still evolving. Overall, looking at the reserves we hold today, We believe that we are well positioned with nearly $28,000,000,000 in reserve, which represents an allowance for credit losses of roughly 4% on funded loans. Turning now to each business.

Slide 5 shows the results for the institutional clients group. For the quarter, ICG delivered EBIT of $4,800,000,000 up 30% from last year. Operating margin declined 5 on lower revenues and a 2% increase in expenses, primarily reflecting investments in infrastructure and controls, our credit costs were down considerably given a $1,300,000,000 ACL release. The release this quarter primarily reflected improvements in the outlook for global GDP as well as fewer downgrades in the portfolio. As of quarter end, our overall funded reserve ratio was 1.4%, including 4.4% on the non investment grade portion.

Total net credit losses were $210,000,000 Looking at full year results, the ICG businesses performed well this year with 13% revenue growth, positive operating leverage and operating margin growth of 24%. But given the ACL build this year, ICG EBIT declined 6%. And for the full year, ICD delivered a 13.8% return on allocated capital. Slide 6 shows revenues for the Institutional Clients Group in more detail. Revenues decreased 1% in the 4th quarter as strong trading performance was offset by lower revenues in TCS, Investment Banking and Corporate Lending.

On the banking side, revenues declined 7%. Treasury and Trade Solutions revenues were down 8% as reported and 6% in constant dollars and strong client engagement and solid growth in deposits were more than offset by the impact of lower interest rates and lower commercial cards revenue. Average deposits were up 22% in constant dollars and we had solid growth in our underlying drivers despite the significant macro slowdown with increased digital adoption, cross border transaction volumes growing over 10% and a record quarter in clearing. Investment Banking revenues were down 5% from last year as solid growth in equity underwriting was more than offset by lower revenues in M and A and debt underwriting. Private bank revenues grew 6%, driven by capital market strength as well as improved managed investment revenue and higher lending.

Corporate lending revenues were down 25%, driven by lower spreads, higher hedging costs and lower average volume. Total Markets and Security Services revenues increased 13% from last year. Fixed income revenues grew 7% as higher revenues across spread products and commodities were partially offset by lower revenues in rates and currency. Although I would note that we saw solid performance in FX and Global Rates and good client engagement across the entire business. Equity revenues were up 57% versus last year, driven by strong performance in cash equities, derivatives and client finance, reflecting higher client volumes and more favorable market conditions.

And finally, in Security Services, revenues were unchanged on a reported basis, But up 2% in constant dollars as higher volumes from new and existing clients with broken deposits, settlement volumes and assets under custody were partially offset by lower spreads. For full year 2020, Revenues increased 13%, driven by the significant strength in markets this year, along with a solid contribution from Investment Banking and the Private Bank. Throughout the year, we continue to see strong client engagement across all of our institutional businesses as we actively helped our clients navigate through this true linkages that exist across the franchise. And given the momentum we've seen this year in key drivers, including digital adoption, deposit growth and client engagement, we're even better positioned to ensure additional share gains in 2021 as these clients more fully recognize the benefits of using Citi as their platform of choice. Turning now of the results for Global Consumer Banking and Constant Dollars on Slide 7.

ECB delivered EBIT of $1,700,000,000 Revenues declined 13% as continued strong deposit growth and momentum in Wealth Management were more than offset by lower card volume and lower interest rates across all regions. That said, we did see signs of stabilization sequentially this quarter. Expenses increased 4% across both North America and international consumers, driven mostly by higher repositioning. Excluding repositioning costs, total GCB expenses were flat as COVID related costs were largely offset by efficiency savings. Credit costs decreased 45% as lower volumes and improved delinquencies led to lower net credit loss coupled with an ACO reserve release in all three regions.

And looking at full year results, DCB delivered EBIT of $1,100,000,000 down significantly from last year, reflecting the impact of the pandemic and higher reserve bills under CECL. Slide 8 shows the results for North America Consumer in more detail. Total 4th quarter revenues were down 11% from last year, but we did see positive momentum in our drivers this quarter. And on a sequential basis, revenues grew 3%. Branded cards revenues were down 13%, reflecting lower purchase sales and lower average loan.

Purchase sales grew 9% sequentially on both seasonal activity as well as a continued recovery in consumer spending, but we're still down year over year. At the same time, we're seeing an increase in payment rates as consumers remain liquid we have not yet seen stress in their overall ability to pay. So while purchase activity has improved, our clients are also paying down more quickly, resulting in continued pressure on our loan balance. Retail services revenues were down 16% year over year, reflecting lower average loans as well as higher partner payments. Net interest revenues were down 12% as average loans declined by 11% on lower purchase sale activity and higher payment rates.

Similar to branded cards, purchase sales grew 18% sequentially, would remain down year over year. Higher partner payments drove the remainder of the revenue decline versus last year, reflecting the impact of lower losses in 2020 and therefore higher income share. Retail Banking revenues were down 1% year over year as strong deposit growth and higher mortgage revenues were more than offset by lower deposit spreads. Average deposits were up 21%, including 29% growth in second. We saw continued momentum in digital deposit sales with digital deposits increasing $2,000,000,000 quarter over quarter.

And we saw continued underlying growth in our wealth management drivers with 18% year over year growth in Citibold clients and 11% growth in assets under management. Overall, we feel good about our client engagement as we exit the year, with spend activity continuing to recover, underlying strength in wealth management drivers and significant deposit growth, giving us the opportunity to grow and deepen these relationships going forward as we continue to invest in our products and digital capabilities. On Slide 9, we show results for International Consumer Banking in constant dollars. In Asia, revenues declined 16% year over year in the 4th quarter. We continue to see good momentum in Wealth Management as investment revenues grew 16% with a 7% increase in Citigold clients and 13% growth in net new money.

And average deposit growth remains strong at 14%, albeit at lower deposit spread. Our revenues remained under pressure year over year with purchase sales down 13%, given a continued significant impact on travel in the region. However, we did see sequential improvement in purchase sales this quarter in line with our expectations. Turning to Latin America, total revenues declined 16% year over year. Similar to other regions, we saw good growth in deposits in Mexico with average balances up 13% and purchase sales improved sequentially.

However, deposit spreads remained under pressure and lending volumes continue to decline given the macro environment. Slide 10 provides additional detail on global consumer credit trends. Credit loss rates generally trended downward this quarter given high levels of liquidity in the U. S, lower spending and the benefits of relief program. However, in Asia, credit loss rates increased, mostly driven by those accounts that exited relief programs in line with our expectation.

The year over year rise in delinquencies outside the U. S. Is concentrated in accounts rolling off related programs and reflects more modest levels of stimulus in these regions relative to the U. S. Given these trends, we continue to expect peak losses to occur in Asia and Mexico during the first half of twenty twenty one and should begin to recover thereafter.

Meanwhile, in the U. S, while we do expect losses to begin to rise in 2021, given today's delinquency trend and the expected impact of recent stimulus, we now expect peak loss rates to be pushed out for the first half of twenty twenty two. Whether continuing to push out these losses is simply a matter of timing or if it will ultimately result in lower aggregate losses remains to be seen and is something we are watching closely. Slide 11 shows the results for Corporate and Other. Revenues declined significantly from last reflecting the impact of lower rates, the wind down of legacy assets and the absence of episodic gains.

Expenses were roughly flat as the wind down of legacy assets offset investments in infrastructure, risk management and control. And the pre tax loss was $690,000,000 this quarter, roughly in line with our prior outlook. Slide 12 shows our net interest revenue and margin trends. In constant dollars, total net interest revenue of $10,500,000,000 in the quarter declined $1,300,000,000 year over year, reflecting the impact of lower rates and lower loan balances, partially offset by higher trading related NIR. Sequentially, net interest revenue continued to stabilize and excluding market was roughly flat to the 3rd quarter.

And net interest margin declined 3 basis points, reflecting lower net interest revenue and balance sheet expansion due to strong deposit growth. Turning to non interest revenues in the 4th quarter, non NIR declined 6% to just over $6,000,000,000 given lower levels of consumer activity year over year. Turning to full year results, revenues were flat with the decline in net interest revenues fully offset by higher non interest revenue driven by continued strong performance in markets throughout the year as well as strength in Investment Banking. On Slide 13, we show our key capital metrics. Our CET1 capital ratio increased to 11.8% or 180 basis points above our regulatory minimum.

Our supplementary leverage ratio was 7% and our tangible book value per share grew by 5% to $73.83 driven by net income. Before I hand it back to Mike, let me spend a few minutes on our outlook for 2021. On the top line, we saw an extraordinary year end markets performance in 2020 and would expect some degree of normalization this year. And subject to how that plays out, we can see revenues down in the mid to high single digit range this year, largely driven by market. This outlook assumes industry wallets more similar to 2019 levels.

And for net interest revenue specifically, It assumes continued stabilization in the first half of the year with an improvement in the back half tied to our base case, which assumes loan growth by this point in the recovery. On a full year basis, the decline in net interest revenues is somewhere between $1,000,000,000 to $2,000,000,000 versus 2020. On the expense side, we expect full year expenses to increase in the range of 2% to 3%, mostly driven by investments related to our transformation. Our cost of credit should be meaningfully lower than 2020. We expect a tax rate of roughly 21% for the year.

So pulling this together, we expect operating margin pressure this year, but given lower credit costs, we should still see significant improvement in profitability relative to 2020. And finally, as Mike mentioned earlier, we look forward to repurchasing shares through the balance of 2021, subject to Board approval starting this quarter. To wrap up, as I look at how we performed in 2020, we demonstrated the significant earnings power and resilience of the franchise. We sit here today with strong capital and liquidity position. Overall client engagement remains strong.

We grew book value every quarter and we remain focused on supporting colleagues, customers, clients and community, all of which give me a great deal of confidence as we move into 2021. With that, let me hand it back to Mike.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Mark. Now I'd like to turn it over to Jane, so you can hear from her for a few minutes.

Speaker 5

Thank you, Mike, and good morning to everyone. I want to thank Mike for his support and for working so closely with me during this transition. It was important to him to ensure Citi has a seamless of CEO transition and has obviously been tremendously helpful to me as I prepare to step into the role at the end of February. I am extremely excited by the opportunities ahead for our firm, and I am equally determined to address the deficiencies in our risk of the consumer and consumer risk and

Speaker 6

control environment

Speaker 5

that have been raised by our regulators.

Speaker 2

We've embarked on

Speaker 5

a transformation program that will clearly benefit our clients and investors, as well as meeting the regulators' expectations of 1 of the world's most globally significant financial institutions. And of course, we still have to get through this pandemic. While we hope the end is in sight, this virus has surprised us and taught us the folly of best of the company's slate plans. So we will remain vigilant and adaptable. My 2 major priorities as I transition with Mike for our transformation efforts and refreshing our strategy.

So we ultimately achieved three things: best positioned Citi to win, to improve our returns significantly and to address the issues raised by our regulators. While it's early days, our work on these priorities is well underway. So on the transformation, we're taking the time to step back, to tackle the root cause issues, to define our target end state and develop the detailed plans to get us there. We put in place specific work streams against risk and controls, data and compliance, but we also have work streams on creating a culture of of Excellence and Accountability and on strengthening our critical business processes. Of each stream is led by a member of the executive management team.

Together, we are accountable for simplifying and modernizing the bank. In February, we will deliver our GAAP analysis to the target state and in May, the detailed implementation plan. This effort will take time and it will require significant investment in technology and talent. You have my commitment that we will invest your capital wisely and that you, our clients and our regulators will all see and benefit from the results. At the end of the day, we want to achieve a state of excellence in our risk and controls, in our operations and in our service to clients.

Switching tax to strategy. I have the benefit of having worked in a number of businesses in regions and Citi over the last 16 years. Nonetheless, this transition is giving me valuable time to step back and to take a dispassionate look at our strategy and businesses. You wouldn't expect me to come out with specifics at this rather early stage, but I can talk about how we are looking at this. We have a wonderful franchise, of 1st class capabilities and a terrific brand name.

We are the world's most global bank with a network no one can match. And this means we are uniquely able to help clients grow and succeed globally. Our capital and balance sheet is strong. We have a deep talent of Bench around the world. So while we have work to do, this is a pretty good hand to play.

A few principles will guide how we refresh the strategy. We're taking a clinical look at our strategic positioning, assessing which businesses can attain leading market positions in a much more digitized world. Similarly, I believe in the value of focus and directing our investments and resources to the businesses that will drive stronger growth and improve returns over the long run. I also believe in ensuring the businesses we're in fit well together. So collectively, they are competitively advantaged and generate synergies.

And finally, like any true Scott, I believe there is value to unlock by simplifying the firm. As you know, on Wednesday, we announced that we will integrate Consumer Wealth Management and our private bank into one business line. It's a growth opportunity I'm particularly excited about in Asia as well as the U. S. Earlier in the week, we also announced the new head of our TTS franchise and our U.

S. Consumer leadership. And I look forward to sharing new opportunities and moves with you as we go. I want to end as I began by thanking Mike. He has spent his 38 year career at Citi.

No one has been more dedicated. He always of Citi First. And he took over at a very difficult time. He had to make tough calls steering the company through the post crisis restructuring. We made Citi a simpler, smaller, safer and far stronger institution, returning it to growth, closing the gap with our peers and returning a significant amount of capital to our shareholders just as he promised he would.

His steady leadership this year helped us through this very difficult period for all of us. That this last year showed how the work he led has strengthened our firm as we supported our people, clients and communities through this pandemic. He leaves us with a tremendous foundation, and I am committed to building on his success. We are very grateful to him and proud of him and all of us at Citi wish him the very best in the next chapter. Mike, would you like to say something to close?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Jane. I appreciate your comments and I know the firm is going to be in great hands. Jane, Mark and I are now happy to take your questions.

Speaker 1

Your first question is from the line of Glenn Schorr with Evercore.

Speaker 7

Hi, thanks very much. And thank you, Mike. Jane, I think it's great that you came on, so I can't resist asking you one. So I agree with your focusing on strong business positioning on its own and then making sure businesses fit well together. You came for part of your tenure from Latin American Consumer side and Global Consumer.

I'd love to get your perspective and thoughts on the question that's come up over the years of how much does global consumer Quotes fit well together, are they individual business on their own? How much can they leverage going forward to be a true global consumer platform? Thanks so much.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Glenn, for your question. So we are just beginning the work on the strategy. And looking at what are the leading franchises we want to invest behind, what are the others that we want to grow to win. And as we do that work, we will let you know what's the direction we're going to be taking. As we have done already in the announcements this week on wealth and on the new leadership in TTS.

But I would say, let us do the work, and then we'll let you know how everything fits together. And if there are pieces that end up not being part of the call, we'll let you know, but let us do the work first.

Speaker 7

Okay, that's cool. Maybe I'll follow-up with a more nitty gritty one. On the card side, I think part of the plan for the last couple of years has been converting card customers into digital banking clients. I noticed in the appendix that, there's been growth in customers, but there hasn't been a tremendous amount of growth lately in active digital and mobile customers, I'll say, the last 5 quarters. So I'm curious if that's what you're doing to attack that opportunity and if that fits into the going forward plan.

Speaker 8

Yes.

Speaker 5

Yes. So in terms of the of digital customer. It's a different picture in different parts of the world. So we saw tremendous growth in Mexico that starts with a much lower digital base. And so with COVID, we saw a pretty rapid acceleration across the industry and we We're a major leader in that.

When we look at the states, we already have an extremely active card customer base on the digital front. And so we weren't expecting to see the same levels of pickup. I'd say the other piece as well is Customer acquisition across the board is lower because of COVID. And you typically do tend to see that the new customers, When they come on board anyone's platform, they tend to have a higher digital adoption rate. So I think we're pretty optimistic that as and when we see the recovery, but we'll also see growth in that digital adoption in the U.

S. Going forward.

Speaker 8

Hey, Jane, the only thing I'd add to that is that we have been seeing greater e statement penetration or e statement usage, I should say, and e payment Our e statement usage and payment usage is up some 15%. And so as you would imagine through this crisis, people have been actively engaged with our digital capabilities, and that's in part a byproduct of the investments that we've been making in digital technology. And so we feel good about that.

Speaker 1

Your next question is from the line of John McDonald with Autonomous Research.

Speaker 9

Hi, good morning. Mark, I was wondering if you could unpack some of the drivers of your 2021 expense outlook between investment spend, maybe the transformation spend and where you're saving money?

Speaker 8

Sure. So look, as I said in the outlook there, we look at we see expenses being up about 2% to 3%. Most of that is likely to be driven by the transformation spend as we get our arms around what that cost is going to be. You know already we spent a And we're doing that in the context of we'll obviously do that in the context of how the strategy Jane spoke to evolves. And so continued investment in digital capabilities, both on the consumer side, as you heard me mention, but also on the ICG side, particularly in our TTS platform where we've seen good benefits from the investments already made there, but as you know, that's an area where innovation and technology is what's required to maintain a competitive advantage there.

We just announced the wealth management business, if you will, bringing together wealth on the consumer and in the private bank. And that I would imagine will be Aeradotte, I would imagine that will be an area of investment for us as we grow fee revenues, as Jane has pointed to, as an We'll also see growth in advertising and marketing. So in that outlook, I talked about Net interest revenue stabilizing but picking up in the back half of the year with growth in loans, and that growth in loans is going to be a byproduct of us starting to put money to work again back in advertising and marketing, which was down materially this year as we managed through this crisis. So those are a couple of areas that we would look to invest in, in the context of that 2% to 3%. But again, a lot of it is going to be towards on ensuring that we get a payback on that in the coming years.

And so hopefully that gives you a good sense, John. No, that's helpful. And just

Speaker 9

to follow-up on the net interest income outlook you mentioned. I think you said it could be down $1,000,000,000 to $2,000,000,000 on a year over year basis. What are the swing factors That would bring you into the low end of that versus the high end of that? Thanks.

Speaker 8

Yes. So again, the net interest revenue could be down and that's in part because you got to There, obviously, the GDP forecast that we have factors into that. And then, obviously, the rate curve and how We saw good sequential momentum across purchase sale activity, some of that seasonal, but some of that just of really good activity with our customers and we're looking for that to continue. We obviously there's been a stimulus that's been announced already. There are certain talks of significant stimulus or additional stimulus to come, and Hopefully, that kind of bridges us to a place where it fuels some of the GDP growth that we're seeing in our forecast.

Speaker 10

Your next question is from

Speaker 1

the line of Erika Najarian with Bank of America.

Speaker 11

Hi, good morning. My first question is for Jane. Like Glenn, I can't resist. I think investors are very excited to hear about your strategic plans because the constructive criticism that I get on Citi is that I think that investors are on board with your current plans and remediation and recovery. But I think they continue to wonder whether you have a lot of breadth, but not as much depth in terms of market share in businesses.

And it's a long winded way to ask this question, I'm sorry. Your peers seem to be settling on a mid teens ROTCE or a little bit higher on a normalized level. And as you think about the wonderful franchise that you already have and the opportunities that you have to improve upon it, do you think that Citi can get to that level eventually whenever that normalized period arrives?

Speaker 5

It's a great question. It's one we've been spending a lot of time working on and talking through as Mark and I look at what is The right configuration of businesses, how do we do as I said in the principles we're laying out for how we're looking at the city of the future, particularly in a digital environment that the world is changing quite quickly on that front. So once we finished doing the work, will be laying out what are the different metrics and milestones to measure us both in terms of progress and in terms of the desired outcomes. I've been talking to a number of our key investors, which have been great, very helpful conversations over the last few weeks and getting input from them around what sorts of outcomes are desirable and they're very much part of mix as we look at doing this work on the strategy and on the transformation. As Mark said, the 2 go hand in hand going forward.

So we look forward to getting back to you with that picture when we're ready. And Mark, I know, has been key in all of this. So let me pass the mic to him.

Speaker 8

Yes. Thanks, Jane. Look, in your prepared remarks, You rightfully focus on strategies that are geared towards identifying growth opportunities and improving our returns and narrowing the gap to peers, and I think that type of strategic focus along with the investments that we've made that we're making, both transformation and growth oriented will certainly put us on that path. I think the normalization of GDP in the credit environment is going to be helpful as well. And then as many people know, we've got deferred tax asset and some legacy assets that will continue to work down over time.

Mean, I think those the combination of those things starting with the strategy and a plan to continue to return capital and return on capital put us in the right path to getting to those improved levels of returns, not to mention Increasing rates over time or in the normal part of the cycle.

Speaker 11

Thank you for that. And my follow-up question is for you, Mark. It seems as if the stimulus plan so far and potentially the additional stimulus could build a bridge that's strong enough and long enough to perhaps not delay losses, but lower actual cycle losses in card. How should we think about the stimulus related to how that could impact spending and loan volume trends as we trace that back to that NII guide?

Speaker 8

Yes, look, I mean, when we think about our reserve levels and the activity there, we certainly did during the impact of stimulus. I think what's important to point to is the stimulus thus far has resulted in high payment rates and a consistent kind of ability to Pay for the consumer. And that's been good and it showed up not only in our payment rates, but it also shows up in the lower level of delinquencies that we've seen and obviously The lower level of losses that we've seen. There certainly is a need for additional stimulus. And I think the good thing about that is, it should continue to support the payment rates that we've seen and if it is significant enough, can ultimately drive greater consumption and support improved GDP, improved unemployment.

Our current forecast, as you heard me mention earlier, assumes that that low momentum picks up towards the end or the mid I'm sorry, the back half of 2021. If we see that take hold sooner, we could see higher levels of volumes in loan growth. And obviously, that would be beneficial to our NIR forecast. So, stimulus is good in that regard. It also will put as it takes hold, there will likely be some early pressure on lending volumes because people tend are using it as a liquidity tool and to pay down.

But over time, I think it will be beneficial.

Speaker 10

Your next question is from

Speaker 1

the line of Mike Mayo with Wells Fargo Securities.

Speaker 12

Hi. One simple question and one hard question. Mark, you get the simple one. When can Citigroup start repurchasing shares and how much do you think you can repurchase in the Q1? And I don't think you were allowed to purchase yet this

Speaker 8

Sure. So, as you know, the Fed guidance allowed for us to reinstate Buybacks, there is a cap on the Q1 that's based on the trailing 4 quarter average of income for us. That would equate to about $1,800,000,000 or so in buybacks in the Q1. And so with Subject to Board approval, we will approve some level of buybacks in Q1. We have not started those buybacks as of yet.

Speaker 12

All right. And then the hard question is for Jane. Who does Citi want to be in 2,030? When we step back 5 or 10 years from now and have a picture of Citi. And the reason I ask that is, you mentioned Citi being global, But despite this global status, Citi has fallen short of expectations in each of the past 5 decades.

You can go back to Walter You can go back to the 80s, you can go back to Sandy Wall and John Reed, the Financial Supermarket, you can go back to the financial crisis. And even with the retrenching and de risking and I agree the chance of bankruptcy is far less, The return on capital has fallen short of the cost of capital for the last decade. So you'll be the 7th CEO at Citigroup when you take over. Why will it be different this time? What can you do differently, whether it's business mix Customer mix or geographic mix because from my perspective and I'm it's great, you can take a clinical look, a dispassionate look, but I'm extremely passionate about the underperformance of Citi over almost any timeframe over the last 50 years.

And so I'm just trying to figure out what you can do given your 16 years at Citi, your experience at McKinsey to actually finally change Citi to generate sustainable returns above the cost of capital. So once again, where what Citi's endgame? Thank you.

Speaker 5

Well, thank you, Mike. So I think the endgame, and you asked the question in terms of what do we look like in 2,030, it's pretty simple, really. As you said, We're a global bank. We want to be the leading global bank. We're very well positioned from that from our businesses.

That means top tier franchises in their respective competitive sets with a strategy that has been well understood by the markets over that timeframe. We want to be best in class in serving our clients and our customers, certainly in safety and soundness. And I'd add in, we want to be seen as playing a positive role in society as I think that's a very important part of mix these days. But all of that is with the purpose of generating the desired returns for our investors. So to be fair, while we have made progress over the last 10 years since the crisis.

And equally know that

Speaker 11

there is a gap to

Speaker 10

Your next question is from

Speaker 1

the line of Jim Mitchell with Seaport Global Securities.

Speaker 13

Hey, good morning. Good morning. Not to beat a dead horse, maybe just one quick follow-up, if there's any help you can give us. I think one of the biggest concerns on investors is they can't see the path to the kind of peer level returns. Do you think of it as you look at it without giving away specifics on strategy and things like that.

Is it really an efficiency issue? Is it a capital issue because of the DTAs? How do you think about where you are today and what's driving the gap?

Speaker 5

So it's these are All the questions that Mark and I are sitting down and looking at our different businesses and saying how do we make sure, as I said in the opening remarks, we're looking at how do we drive our resource allocation and how do we drive our investments into that will be important growth drivers for the franchise and high returning areas for the firm going forward. We've come out with one already that we think is an important one on that dimension in wealth, where we've got many different parts of the puzzle that we think will enable us to be highly successful in this domain, bringing the different pieces of the firm together to drive this forward and is clearly going to be one of several areas that we see helping to improve our returns. And as Mike said, that's not the only piece. There are other elements, as I said, in the different We see value from simplification, and that's in terms of, obviously, the operating efficiencies and the like that we will get from that as well as potentially business mix. And we want to drive the businesses to make that they're really sitting well together so that they are achieving the synergies as well as the competitive and collective comparative advantage.

So It's going to be a combination of pieces. But as I say, we're doing this work. We'll let you know as we go of what are decisions we make along the way and look forward to sharing them with you, frankly, with the intent that we have both a leading global firm as well as an organization that's delivering the desired results to our investors. Mark, anything to add, my friend?

Speaker 8

Dan, I think you said it well, but I want to repeat one thing you said, which is that we're going to get this done, right? And it is a combination. We'll continue to refine the strategy here. We've got some very strong businesses with competitive advantages that we want to continue to shore up. We're going to make investments in the franchise because that's what it's going to take in order to continue to drive improved returns.

Yes, there are some drags. I mentioned that earlier. They certainly do weigh on the returns between the DTA and legacy assets. But we also have excess capital as we sit here with the CET1 ratio of an 11.80 versus 11.50 target that we have. And so we'll continue to work all of those things in combination.

And I believe those are the things we believe those are the things that are going to get us back to continued improved levels of returns that we saw coming into this crisis.

Speaker 13

Okay. Well, no, fair enough. And maybe just talk speaking to one of those Businesses where you see growth, you've been investing. Can you talk to the underlying, obviously, with pressure in interest rates, it's hard to see it, the underlying Growth in TTS, how you feel about the businesses? We've seen competition, whether it's in of Treasury Services or payments, wholesale payments, it seems like it's a competitive environment.

How do you think about that business and growth from here?

Speaker 8

Yes, sure. I'll take that. So first of all, we feel very good about the TTS business that we have. We think of it as part of our Services business inside of the ICG Services would include TTS and Security Services. As you know, we have a very unique position within this part of our franchise.

And you're right, the headline numbers are affected by interest rates, but we feel very good about the underlying momentum in the business and we think that's evidenced by a couple of key drivers. You're aware we're in 95 countries that gives our clients the ability to transact in over 140 currencies, and we do that on a global platform. We have 600,000 users on that platform, which is up about 9% from last year. And within that, the mobile users are up about 95%. We're continuing to grow accounts with our clients, and we now have the ability to open accounts digitally in 50 countries.

In 2020, we opened over 14,000 accounts digitally representing more than a 200% increase, and growing accounts deepens our relationship with clients and allows us to penetrate new activity centers, it allows us to capture more flows across our platform and ultimately that delivers more revenue. And so this digital activity drives revenue for us in the and it also is more efficient way for us to do business with clients. We're also seeing good transaction volumes across Different payment types with these clients, we've had very good clearing performance and cross border flows through the year. And so those things give us a lot of insight into what the momentum will look like coming out of this crisis. And that's not to mention additional opportunities with new clients.

As you know, we've moved our commercial business squarely into the ICG. There's more upside for our TTS platform with the commercial client base. And so we feel very good about where we are. We're not taking our position for granted. We're going to continue to invest in this platform, and we're looking forward to capturing the growth and supporting our clients as they come out of this crisis.

Speaker 10

Your next question is from

Speaker 1

the line of Matt O'Connor with Deutsche Bank.

Speaker 14

Hi. I want to follow-up on expenses. So the guidance implies about $44,000,000,000 this year. And as you alluded to, a lot of investments in that, as we think out, and it's all hypothetical because there might be changes to the strategy simplification that can impact the expense base. But as we think out beyond this year, should we view that as kind of a bloated expense base that Some of these investments are running at higher than normal levels and you can bring them down?

Or is this more of kind of a normal run rate and then the efficiency will really come from growing revenue.

Speaker 8

Yes, let me make a couple of quick comments. 1, As I mentioned and as you repeated, we will see expense growth here. Jane mentioned, we're in the midst of making progress against our transformation. And we'll need to submit a plan in May and get that plan approved and continue to invest to get that executed against. And that will inform the thinking around some of the outer years.

But to answer your question around a bloated expense base, I would say no, not a bloated expense base at all. These are investments, as you've heard me mention repeatedly, and they're going to be there is going to be a return on the investment. The return will come in both revenue and a more efficient operating platform. We've got a history now. We've got some credibility now with having demonstrated productivity across our platform, whether that's through automating processes or reducing data centers or low cost location strategies.

Since our Investor Day, we've continued to improve our productivity. And that's what You should expect, that's what we're expecting of ourselves and we'll deliver on kind of coming out of these investments that we need to make. And so, No, not a bloated expense base. With that said, so put that aside, we are going to continue to invest in the business. And so if there are opportunities that present themselves, either as a byproduct of the strategy refresh that Jane has mentioned or otherwise, We intend to take advantage of making those investments because that is the only way we get to those improved returns that we're targeting and focused Hopefully that answers your question.

Speaker 14

That is helpful. And then just separately, as we think about the strategic review, I think there's been some speculation in terms of which businesses, if any, you might exit. And I'm not going to name them, but some of them are Pretty high return businesses, if you just look at them on a stand alone basis, some aren't. But how do you think conceptually about As you potentially exit or sell a certain business, there might be a gap between you're giving up some earnings before you can deploy them in things like digital and TTS and wealth in terms of the payback, Right, because there could be you lose some earnings initially, and you might have bloated capital, and again, some of the investments take time to play out. So is that something that you're mindful of or?

Speaker 5

Yes. What we're looking at the moment is much more around what do we want to be going forward and where we are in the work is looking at how what are the of how do they best fit together. Digitization is changing quite a few things as Mark was referring to. It's providing a If it ends up that there are businesses as we look at it that we don't think that fit well into the mix, then I think we've got good skills in terms of thinking about how we divest of those in a way that makes sense. But that's honestly not where we are at the moment.

We're focused on what we're going to be. So as I say, wait for us to get the work done, and then we can come back to you with the plans of what we're looking at and what that path looks like. I think it's too early to speculate right now.

Speaker 10

Your next question is from

Speaker 1

the line of Betsy Graseck with Morgan Stanley.

Speaker 15

Hi, good afternoon.

Speaker 8

Hi, Betsy.

Speaker 15

Two questions. 1 on the improving profitability that you're We've been talking about here. I know we've been talking a lot about it from the expense side and from the revenue growth side, but I'm also wondering about the funding cost side. And given the fact that you have a great brand in the U. S, you have a really good mobile app and we have a relatively low interest rate environment, why not put up a high cost savings product and reduce your wholesale cost of funds by switching From wholesale to a high cost savings product, which at this rate, you can actually you should be able to pick up some ROA on that.

Speaker 8

Yes. Look, we have seen very good deposit growth, and some of that as a byproduct of our high yield savings accounts, But we've also seen strong checking account growth this quarter and we've seen the growth in our digital deposits as well. And so you're right, there's a funding cost advantage to that. We've seen that play out in the liquidity that's in the market. We intend to continue to grow as it relates to increasing those deposits.

And we've been smart about how we've been managing our liquidity, keeping some liquidity obviously there for lending needs as they may evolve for our customers and clients, But also paying down wholesale debt. We did that through the year and also investing. We've made some investments through the year. I think we've invested as much as another $78,000,000,000 or so, up 21% for the year. And so we've been thoughtfully managing the liquidity That we've seen through the course of this year.

We'll continue to do that and we'll continue to grow deposits on the consumer side because you're right, it is a lower cost

Speaker 15

The other question for you, Mark, is just on how you're thinking about credit. I know you mentioned that credit Costs will be lower in 'twenty one versus 'twenty. I think we can we all agree with that. Trying to understand how much flex there is there. Maybe one question there is on the reserve analysis and what kind of level of unemployment you're looking for in your reserving today at year end 2021?

And is there some room for that reserve release to be potentially larger as we go through the year? And then maybe I know you talked about how stimulus could help net charge off peaks. It's Hard to give an estimate on that, but maybe give us a sense as to how you're thinking about the trajectory for credit costs year on year. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Sure. So,

Speaker 8

I guess a couple of pieces there. So one, as you know, Betsy, when we model this, We look at kind of the macroeconomic variables that we have at any point in time. And so you look at kind of Page 4, we laid out the variables that we've used this quarter. And you can see that both for U. S.

Unemployment as well as for U. S. Real GDP, We've seen improvement since the Q3 forecast that we ran. And I'd tell you, even as you look at this, there's been further improvement even off of the Q4 forecast that's here. And so those are important factors in the assumptions and what we're able to model in the way of reserve levels.

And as we see that improve or improve further, we would expect that, that would be that would play out in the way of even lower reserves. I think the other important factor is the stimulus and how that and the additional stimulus that is out there and how that ultimately evolves and what that means and Whether that drives consumer consumption and whether that drives even further levels of improved unemployment will be important factors that come into play here. And then I guess the final piece I'd mention is that we continue to hold management adjustment for economic And as we see these variables continue to improve, that's going to impact how we think about come into play as to how we think about the reserve levels that we carry. While we still feel good about the $28,000,000,000 roughly that we have in the way of balances. We feel very good about the direction that these economic variables appear to be moving.

In terms of losses, Again, it's been interesting the way this has played out. And so really what we're all trying to figure out is whether the lower delinquencies and lower level of losses that we've seen thus far, is a delay or is it a deflation of losses, right? And that only time will tell. As we sit here today, and as you heard me say in my prepared remarks, we think it's a bit of a delay, in that We would expect to see losses peak in 2022 now, particularly for U. S.

Consumer. But again, with another stimulus right around the corner, that in fact could be further delayed and ultimately we would hope that it would just go away and be

Speaker 10

Your next question is from

Speaker 1

the line of Ken Usdin with Jefferies.

Speaker 16

Thanks. Hey, good morning. A follow-up question, Mark, on the fee side. Understanding that you We'll see this tough comp year over year. Just wondering if you can separate when you expect normalization for some of the areas back to 'nineteen ish.

I know that's a moving target given the environment. But just if you think about separating out trading and investment banking, can you just talk to us too about like the visibility stuff that you see A little bit more easier how you see that trajecting, notably investment banking, TTS, etcetera?

Speaker 8

Yes. So again, we see we continue to have good dialogue on the investment banking side with our clients. Obviously, we've seen very strong performance as it relates to the SPAC space in Equity Capital Markets and that will continue to play out just when you think about the nature of those deals and so that will continue to play out into 2021. But the dialogue has been very good, and that's both in Investment Banking, but also just broadly with the corporate clients, as corporate clients are trying to figure out what coming out of this crisis means for their own business models and how they think about their of capabilities and needs and how they think about their supply chains and how that might be shifting and those types of dialogues they're having both internally but also with us. And so we're part of that conversation and being part of that creates opportunities on the TTS side, on the Investment Banking side and potentially even as it relates to the corporate lending activity, which We hope to pick up in the back half of the year as well.

And so, good very, very strong and continued corporate dialogue, and I think that's Ultimately to driving some of that fee revenue that you mentioned. In terms of the markets piece, Again, we've had an extraordinary year. The industry has seen a great deal of wallet growth in markets, And that's got to normalize at some point, obviously, and we are forecasting that it does. But I'll tell you in the early days of January, We've continued to see robust activity and it is early days in the quarter, but we have seen that and so we'll have to see how that plays out over the balance of the quarter and going into the balance of 'twenty one.

Speaker 16

Understood. And a follow-up on rates. It's always a little harder to dig out how much rates benefits you guys just given the global nature of all the yield curves that you guys face. But is there a way you can help us to remind us just how sensitive or not the company is to just if the long end were to move here in the U. S.

And how much

Speaker 8

Yes. Look, we tend to be more sensitive to the short end of the But we disclosed some IRE information in our Qs. And in fairness, that's kind of tough to compare relative to peers. So we show what 100 basis point Increase would be on the long end. But the reality is that we would see with curves deepening, we would see some upside as we would The pressure we've been seeing from MBS repayments and the like.

And so, we're more sensitive to the short, but with the steepening, we think we would see some benefit.

Speaker 1

Your next question is from the line of Chris Kotowski with Oppenheimer.

Speaker 17

Yes, good morning. Thank you. I'm looking at Page 10 of your handout and the global consumer trends. I'm trying to understand that. And I Guess I have two questions, 1 narrow, 1 broader.

And the narrow question is just looking at Latin America, the Losses are down and the delinquencies are significantly up. Is that an accounting thing, a forbearance thing? Or is that A real underlying economic thing and that does it have to do with COVID or does it have to do with other economic variables?

Speaker 8

Yes. Look, what we're seeing there is as people come off of the relief programs that have been in place, we're seeing delinquencies pick up as was expected. And so that's what's playing out in the increase that we see in the 4th And ultimately, that will play out in the NCLs. But again, that is along the lines of what we were expecting in Latin America.

Speaker 17

Okay. And the decline then presumably is the flip side of that, the full year? Right. Okay. And then I guess just looking at the picture more broadly, I mean, I guess if you look at Infection rates of COVID, North America is high, Asia is low and Latin America is somewhere in between.

Normally, I think all of us like 9 or 10 months ago would have kind of thought that the economic disruption and the loss rates would Somehow mirror that and it doesn't seem to be in any way shape or form that I can tell. And I'm wondering if you can account for that and How are we to gauge kind of the disruption that COVID is causing and I guess particularly in your kind of global businesses?

Speaker 3

Look, question, do you have a question?

Speaker 8

Yes, go ahead. I'm sorry.

Speaker 17

Mark, I was going

Speaker 3

to say, Chris, I would say that we've got to look at What I would describe is the unevenness, right? The unevenness, the way that we went into this in terms of timing, in terms of position, in terms of health response, in terms of economic response. You look at the demographics And clearly, in the different layers of different strategy, you see different things, headlines in the paper this morning, 1 out of every 5 in New York City on rent subsidy are behind in their payments, at least 2 payments. But at the same time, we continue to see pay downs in terms of credit cards, of businesses on different trajectories. And so, again, as I think as we see vaccines roll out on a state by state basis, that will cause different outcomes.

And then as we see the 2nd round and what President-elect Biden announced last night and ultimately what comes through and how that makes its way into the sector. So from our perspective, not just in the U. S, But around the globe, we are really taking a very granular approach on a geographic by geographic, client segment by client segment around that and trying to remain very sensitive to each of those. And so I don't think there is A single formula that allows you to look at this and come with the outcome. It's got to be done at a pretty granular level.

Speaker 10

Your next question is from

Speaker 1

the line of Charles Peabody with Portales.

Speaker 18

Yes. I had a follow-up question on the markets commentary or trading businesses. And specifically, I wanted to focus on your FICC of Trading Businesses. Can you give us a little bit more color, as it relates to the Q4 where the strength in FICC was and where the weakness was In terms of rates, credit, commodities, currencies. And then as part of that, it's my understanding that you were caught wrong footed in the rand.

And I was wondering if and I'm assuming that losses there were not material because it's not a deep market. But is there something changing about the environment that's going to make it more difficult in 2021 for positioning or market making or trading, because you do talk about normalizing. Was there anything in that Rand experience that you can extrapolate?

Speaker 8

Sure. It's similar. Sorry, Mike.

Speaker 3

First off, Charles, I would say that in the Rand piece that, that was more of a research recommendation Actually, a firm positioning play. And so it was our analysts going out with what they believed was a recommendation around that. And so that shouldn't be read as the firm necessarily having that position, Independent Research came out with that. On your second piece, I think as you look at FICC trading, for us, if you look at the Q4 and the numbers that we've posted, I think as you look in there, I I think relative strength in terms of credit and credit spread products. Again, as we measure that against our rates and currencies business, it's Not as large, it's still a meaningful business for us, but not as large.

Some of that other people spoken to as having outsized your quite significant returns in the leverage lending space. We're not as large in that space. And I think as we look at our trading revenues, we tend to look at those over not just quarter, but longer cycles. If you look at the Street Research today, it's indicating that the trading wallet for 2020 was up somewhere in the neighborhood of mid-20s. As you look at our trading revenues for 2020, we're probably up somewhere in the mid-30s.

So Again, quarter to quarter less important, but again, for us continuing to take share in there and the underlying mix tends to bounced that around a little bit. But again, I think we feel pretty good about our position and the dialogues where we are. I think as We think forward, I think it's unlikely to think that we're going to see wallets up to the same degree, certainly in the trading that we saw this year, we think seasonality will resume. But as Mark said, as we kind of started and it's early in the New Year, We have seen activity remain high. And as I think we see more potential stimulus or governmental programs coming out, the Fed and others continuing to take stances on rates and trajectory and where things go, that could keep trading volumes to keep trading volumes relatively high.

So again, we think we're pretty well positioned and we're in dialogue around those, but we clearly can't escape all of the market dynamics of where the wallets go.

Speaker 8

And Mike, the only thing I'd add is, If you look at the numbers, right, FICC is up 34% for the year, racing currency is up 32%, spread products up 40%. We've had very strong performance this year. It's hard to be upset with those numbers. And so everything you said is exactly right, I think the business has been fully engaged with clients and we're going to continue to do that.

Speaker 18

Just as a follow-up, I mean, I recognize It was an unusually strong year, particularly in FICC, which was nice to see. But does that make it When you look out at 2021, are you looking for FIC to be less robust and equity sort of offset that? Or Is there any mix between FIC and equity in your thought process?

Speaker 8

Look, our equities is up were up 25% this year as well, Right. So the normally and the wallets were up for equities as well. So we'll see a normalization take place across the board next year or at some point.

Speaker 3

And I would also say, Charles, we need to look at the new issue calendar. And clearly, the calendar on both the debt and the equity side was strong. We saw the seasonality and we saw clearly debt issuance slow in the 4th quarter as our recommendation and the uptake around our clients was to go ahead and to build lots of liquidity and to shore up the balance sheet. And so, probably less debt of financing needs in terms of 2021. But at the same time, I've got to say, and I reviewed it last evening, that the equity calendar remains Very strong.

And again, we'll see what the markets afford, but we've got to be able to have a market that's welcoming to new issues and in particular the SPAC which we've excelled in has been strong. And so again, that will also, I think, then dictate some of the secondary activity as we go forward in the year.

Speaker 1

Your next question is from the line of Gerard Cassidy with RBC.

Speaker 19

Thank you. Good afternoon, Mark and everyone. Mark, coming back to share repurchases, Obviously, there's limitations based on income, and you explained it very clearly, for you and also your peers. If those limitations are lifted possibly after this year's stress test and we go back to the More traditional or the regulations that are in place that went into effect October 1 with distressed capital buffer, Where as long as you pass your CET1 requirement, you're free to do whatever you'd like. That is at the backdrop.

Would you guys consider An accelerated share repurchase program if you got the green light rather than doing it every quarter like it was done in the past because that's what the regulations

Speaker 8

Yes. We'll need to look at first of all, the stress capital Bob Buffer obviously is an important component to how this all comes together. And coming out of the recent resubmission, you saw the prospective stress capital buffer go up by 10 basis points. They haven't applied that. We're still subject to The 2.5% stress capital buffer, but that will be a factor that we have to consider in the outer quarters from 2021.

And then post that, there'll be another CCAR submission, and we'll get results that inform the Go forward there every quarter, we'll look at, what our projected performance would suggest, including that stress capital buffer juxtaposed against our target. And that view will allow for us to take the capital actions that we think are appropriate inside of what those results would suggest. And so we will take this in quarterly decisions, so to speak, ensuring that our outlook ports the capital actions that we want to take. And so, that's how we intend to approach it.

Speaker 19

Very good. And Jane, you pointed out that a lot of work is going to be done about looking at the opportunities to drive growth for Citigroup so that you can narrow the gap between your peers in terms of profitability. And I don't expect you to give us the answers obviously on this call, but one of the differences between Citigroup and 2 of its biggest peers that are more profitable is your U. S. Consumer banking franchise.

Is your U. S. Consumer banking franchise. And those 2 peers, one which announced the numbers today, have ROEs In that business of over 25%, whereas when we look at your global consumer business based on your 4th quarter numbers, the ROE was about 15%. Is there an opportunity for depository acquisitions in the United States?

Is there an to grow the consumer banking business in the U. S?

Speaker 5

We certainly believe there is a strong opportunity and the strategy we have as we put all of the U. S. Consumer business together over the last year or so has been to make Sure that we capitalize on that by building out and deepening our customer relationships in the U. S. And we've had a number of important thrusts digitally and digital acquisition as Mark referred to.

So yes, we do see

Speaker 1

Your next question is from the line of Andrew Lim with Societe Generale.

Speaker 20

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. So for the system thanks. Sorry, for the system as a whole, we've seen excess deposits really accrue quite a lot of banks. I think one of your competitors has noted how this is putting pressure on certain ratios, one of which will be your supplementary leverage ratio.

And I think if you took away the temporary exclusion of cash and treasuries from its denominator of that ratio, then things would look quite tight. I just wanted to see how that pans out for Citi, whether you see that same kind of pressure and how you think about that? And then if I could ask 2 short technical questions. I didn't quite catch what you said about LatAm NCLs coming down. What was the reason for that?

It just strikes It's a bit surprising that, that should be the case. And then just lastly on your risk weighted assets, they climbed quite a bit this quarter. It doesn't seem to me that it could be entirely credit driven. Just if you could give a bit more color on that.

Speaker 8

Sure. Let me start with your first question, which was on, I think, the impact of deposits. And so, Yes, we have seen a significant increase in deposits that does impact a number of the important metrics. From an SLR point of view, if not for the relief, which kind of goes away at the end of the first quarter, we'd have lower SLR by 109 basis points. So the Red points of relief there.

It also has had an impact on and by the way, we are managing to that SLR relief going away at the end of the Q1. So we're aware of that. We're managing accordingly to that. It's also had an impact on our G Sub score, which is has kind of tripped into the next bucket, the 3.5% bucket. And the large percentage of that we've seen in the GSIB score was also driven by deposits.

And so we'll have to manage that as well. Obviously, there we have a view that some consideration needs to be given to both of these metrics as the Fed has been clear in terms of their view that there is enough capital in the system. And so we're hopeful that as kind of things evolve, that some consideration is given to But in the meantime, we're managing the balance sheet and deposits and capital accordingly, and with full knowledge of how of the relief might evolve in the case of the SLR. In terms of your question on credit risk in Latin America, The point that I was making here was that because we've had customers that were part of a relief program that the NCLs that we've seen have been lower than what they would have been if those customers were not running through the relief program. So you see the NCL, at the lower NCL in the quarter, but you also start to see delinquencies pick up.

And those delinquencies are picking up as people come out of that relief program and start to or stop paying, I should say, and therefore you see delinquencies pick up. And so shortly, you'll see the NCL start to pick up as people go beyond the 90 days past due delinquent and go into losses. Hopefully, that was clear. The last question you asked was on advanced RWA growth, and we did see RWA increased quarter over quarter. The drivers there was they were a combination of credit risk, Market Risk and Operational Risk.

And inside of that, we saw FX drive some of that increase as well as derivatives and mostly derivative and FX exposure increases including CBA. So those are the major drivers of the RWA on an advanced basis tick up that we saw.

Speaker 1

Your final question is from the line of Vivek Juneja with JPMorgan.

Speaker 6

Hi. Thanks all for taking my morning. Thank you for taking my question. I just have a quick clarification. I know you've been talking about wealth management being a focus and we see the stats that you give us for Asia like investment sales up 58% linked quarter, But the fee revenue in Asia consumer is actually downlinked quarter by 10%.

So is this a really small business in revenues since there's no disclosure, it's hard for Chatel? Or what are the other offsets? Because I hear you talk about it as a material part of Asia, but there's no way to put any context around this.

Speaker 8

Yes. And look, we're going to we just announced obviously the creation of this wealth management business where we'll bring the private bank together with the Wealth Management business we have globally on consumer. So we'll provide more detailed metrics as it relates to that. But our Asia Wealth Management is a sizable business, and we are going to continue or expect us to continue to see growth there. And so stay tuned on kind of more disclosure there and more details around the strategy for how we get after that.

Speaker 1

There are no further questions. Are there any closing remarks?

Speaker 2

Thank you all for joining us today. If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to us in IR. Thank you again and have a nice day.

Speaker 1

This concludes today's earnings call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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