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Earnings Call: Q2 2021

Jul 28, 2021

Speaker 1

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to The Carlyle Group Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this This call is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your host, Mr.

Daniel Harris, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Whitney. Good morning, and welcome to Carlyle's Q2 2021 earnings call. With me on the call this morning is our Chief Executive Officer, Kyusong Lee and our Chief Financial Officer, Kurt Buser. This call is being webcast and a replay will be available on our website. We will refer to certain non GAAP financial measures during today's call.

These measures should not be considered in isolation from or as a substitute for Measures prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. We have provided reconciliations of these measures to GAAP in our earnings release. Any forward looking statements made today do not guarantee future performance and undue reliance should not be placed on them. These statements are based on Current management expectations and involve inherent risks and uncertainties, including those identified in the Risk Factors section of our annual report on Form 10 ks that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated. Carlyle assumes no obligation to update any forward looking statements at any time.

Earlier this morning, we issued a press release and a detailed earnings presentation, which is also available on our Investor Relations website. For the Q2, we generated $143,000,000 in fee related earnings and $395,000,000 in distributable earnings With DE per common share of $0.88 we declared a quarterly dividend of $0.25 per common share.

Speaker 3

With that, let me turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Kyusong Lee. Thank you, Dan. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. In February, we unveiled a new strategic plan to accelerate growth in earnings over the next 4 years. We laid out the targets, initiatives and changes we are implementing to drive our firm forward.

Essential to our objective of performing well for our stakeholders is scale and speed, which is why our senior leadership team is focused on ensuring we are the best investors we can be And leading the company to operate better and faster than ever before. I am pleased to tell you that we are delivering results that are larger And occurring sooner than previously expected. With our investment platform firing on all cylinders, we are confident in the momentum we are building to drive growth in earnings in the years to come. We have built a talented and diverse leadership team that is executing well. Together, we've made meaningful changes that are helping us deliver very attractive and in some cases, record results as we usher in a new chapter of growth at What our performance this quarter really underscores is that the changes we've made are paying off for our stakeholders, which I'd like to summarize with the same framework I outlined at our Investor Day, think bigger, perform better, move faster.

Let me start with moving faster as the velocity of virtually all aspects of our business has increased. Deals are being completed on shorter timelines. Financings are being executed more quickly. Opportunities for exits are presenting themselves sooner. Funds are being raised faster than ever before and accelerating impact from disruptive technology and changes from the pandemic are Powering an increased demand for private capital across sectors and regions.

The new direction of our organization positions Carlyle well to capture growth from the increased velocity within our industry. For example, we've integrated our investing activities to take advantage of our global platform that is built around sector and regional expertise and to make better investment decisions while deploying capital faster. We've also reduced or discontinued smaller, less profitable strategies that historically distracted our firm. As a result, our investment organization is operating and connecting more effectively than ever with an ability to pursue buyout, Growth and core strategies utilizing a common platform. On the fundraising side, the past year has demonstrated the benefits of Adopting a hybrid approach that has helped us raise capital faster and more efficiently.

We move quickly to adapt to virtual LP meetings, diligence sessions and roadshows. We now interact with our LPs more regularly, strengthening already deep client relationships. Not only are we able to move faster, but we are focused on scale and thinking bigger. Notably, We are successfully scaling up our largest funds organically. If you look at our latest U.

S. Opportunistic real estate strategy, We have already closed on nearly $7,000,000,000 of capital and expect to hit the hard cap of approximately $8,000,000,000 by this fall, At which point, the fund would be 45% larger than its prior vintage. Similarly, Our recently closed secondaries and co investment strategies and investment solutions were each approximately 40% to 50% larger than their predecessors. We continue to see healthy demand for our strategies across the global platform. We are also busy building large new businesses in In Global Credit and Capital Markets, for instance, in just a little over 3 years in opportunistic credit, We built a team from scratch, launched and invested a first time fund and are well on our way to raising a second fund.

Today, This strategy has almost $6,000,000,000 of AUM with further growth ahead. Given we are moving faster and thinking bigger, simply put, We are performing better. Our results are improving across the board, as Kurt will detail in a moment. Importantly, the DE generation from our business in the coming years should provide strong retained earnings, which we intend to invest in Let me give you some additional details on just how well our investment platform is operating. Fundraising has increased nearly 50% year to date.

We remain confident in the plus of our $130,000,000,000 plus target by 2024. This is made possible in large part because our funds are generating attractive returns And our net accrued carry balance is at record levels. Our corporate private equity carry funds are up 28% this year, And we've seen strong results across virtually all our investment strategies. This appreciation drove our net accrued carry to a record $4,000,000,000 which we believe is an important indicator of our future earnings power for shareholders. Speaking of which, realizations across our platform continue to accelerate with a growing pipeline of announced sales amounting to more than $40,000,000,000 of total enterprise value, which sets the stage for increasing distributable earnings in the quarters ahead.

And finally, Our deployment pace has also been robust, more than double the 1st 6 months of last year as we continue our thesis based investing in attractive growth areas like technology, healthcare and e commerce. We have announced deals equating to almost $50,000,000,000 in enterprise value that will close in the next few quarters. Our platform is investing in growth private equity investments like NeoGov and TriNetX in the United States And in Europe and HutchMed in Asia, as well as in large buyout transactions like Medline, The largest deal in more than a decade in our industry. As I said, our platform is really firing on all cylinders And benefiting from a virtuous cycle where strong performance and increased return of capital results in commitments being made to reinvest Back into our funds that are organically growing in scale. Let me finish with some comments on the macro and industry conditions more broadly, Our trends are providing tailwinds to everything we are doing as a firm.

The recovery of the global economy continues with the United States growing at high single digit rates And both China and Europe currently expanding mid single digits. With respect to our customers, the largest LPs Continue to increase their exposure to private capital as our asset class continues to outperform public indices in this current low yield environment. By way of example, our own global carry fund portfolio has delivered 900 basis points outperformance versus public markets since the end of 2019. And importantly, LPs continue to seek Fewer, more strategic relationships. For instance, more than 80% of the capital from our largest LPs is now in 4 or more strategies with us, 4 times the level it was a decade ago.

And as I stated before, Our client relationships are deeper and broader than they've ever been. Despite these tailwinds, we remain mindful and acutely aware That the pandemic is by no means over around the world. We closely monitor geopolitical, regulatory and policy risks, the threat of inflation And market conditions. So while we have momentum in our business and are confident in the factors we can control, we remain vigilant to avoid complacency. We believe Carlyle is well positioned to navigate the environment, manage risk and capture opportunity.

Before handing the call over to Kurt, let me pull this all together and summarize very simply by stating, I'm excited about the momentum we have across our entire organization. We're delivering great results and we are ahead of schedule. We know if we invest well and continue to build and operate the firm well, we will accelerate our earnings and generate Thank you for your time this morning. And now over to you, Kirk.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Kew, and good morning, everyone. In my remarks, I will address 3 themes that complement and expand upon Kew's comments. 1st, Our fee related earnings growth is accelerating, producing near term results greater than our prior expectations. 2nd, the spigot for generating larger realized performance income is wide open and is likely to remain so. And finally, we're focused on converting lower value performance income and excess capital into higher value and So let's begin by discussing the accelerating growth in our fee related earnings.

As Kew mentioned, fundraising is ahead of schedule for our largest and most successful funds. Our capital markets activity is strong, Our platforms are well positioned for growth. Over the next year or 2, we expect top line fee growth We'll drive higher FRE and margins even with an expected increase in expenses. During the Q2, we generated $143,000,000 of fee related earnings. And year to date, FRE of $272,000,000 Increased 20% over 2020 when adjusting for $30,000,000 of expense recovery in Q1 of last year.

The FRE increase owes both the top line growth and continued strong focus on expense management. I previously expected 2021 FRE to be at a similar level to 2020 when excluding the expense recovery, But now expect the first half of twenty twenty one FRE run rate to be generally sustainable in the back half of the year. While premature to predict 2022, we believe we are set up for even greater FRE growth next year. Our confidence in near term FRE acceleration is underpinned by fundraising, capital markets activity and platform construction. 1st, fundraising activity is substantial, not only in real estate, but various growth vehicles, buyout funds, CLO formation, credit strategies, and help to invest platform activity.

The strong first close in our new opportunistic real estate fund is a great example of what we expect across Our platform as we close larger successor funds. As a reminder, we recognize fee revenue when a fund starts its investment period, which may not be in the same period of the initial close. 2nd, we expect long term fee growth from our capital markets team as it broadens its reach and larger fund strategies come online. Transaction fees net of rebates were $24,000,000 across the firm In the first half of twenty twenty one, an increase more than 60% compared to 2020. Our current run rate is about $30,000,000 to $40,000,000 annually just from capital markets activities, and we believe we can at least double this over the next couple of years.

And finally, investments we have made in our people and platform allows us to scale with high incremental margins. Over the next few years, we expect significantly higher top line growth, while compensation expense should grow at a slower rate. And our progress can be seen in our FRE margin expansion to 34% this quarter, although margins could be subject to volatility over the next several quarters As we continue to scale, let me now switch to the strong growth opportunity ahead in performance income. We expect a very strong back half of this year, and performance revenues are on pace to achieve our $800,000,000 goal this year, Far sooner than 2024. We have line of sight to more than $500,000,000 of incremental net realized performance revenues From already announced exits in Adatech, PPD, Bountiful, Omnios, Novetta and others That are likely to close in the second half of this year.

As long as capital markets remain supportive, I foresee us Delivering an annual average of $800,000,000 or so in net realized performance revenue for at least the next several years, if not longer. Averaging $800,000,000 annually is about 25% larger than our prior average of just under $650,000,000 and net realized performance revenues that we generated from 2012 to 2017. The remaining value in the ground of our traditional Carry fund portfolio is at a record $116,000,000,000 and is almost 90% higher than it was during our last realization cycle. As we highlighted earlier, net accrued carry hit a new record at $4,000,000,000 reflecting a quarterly net increase of more than 8 In addition to performance revenues, we generated $68,000,000 of realized investment income in the first half of twenty twenty one, Almost 80% more compared to the 1st 6 months in 2020. Over the past decade, we have methodically invested into our funds and strategies And today have $1,900,000,000 in balance sheet investments that we believe will support a sustainably higher level of investment income.

The last topic I want to discuss is how to flesh out further what Kew alluded to in his earlier comments, namely How we think about converting lower value performance earnings into higher value fee earnings. There are several areas we are focused on. 1st, raising and co investing into larger funds. Our balance sheet will continue to co invest as we scale our funds. And while those investments should drive higher investment income over time, larger fund sizes will help drive Substantially higher FRE in the near term 2, succeeding new products.

We are also seeding and launching scalable new strategies like real estate credit, infrastructure credit, and renewables amongst others. And as these areas also attract outside capital, they will drive higher top line growth and over time increasing levels of fee related earnings. 3rd, providing capital to underwrite a growing capital markets business. We've already seen a significant uptick in revenues. And with various transactions on the horizon and the Capital Markets Group increasingly integrated with our deal teams, we expect to see on growing our business organically, which we believe produces the highest return on investment capital for our shareholders.

But we also see opportunities to inorganically and accretively build our business, like we've done with Aviation and Fortitude in the recent past, And our focus will be on building new capabilities with a high degree of fee earnings. During the Q2, we also saw an opportunity to raise $500,000,000 in junior subordinated debt with a 4 year term at attractive rates. We'll use this capital to help with what I just discussed, And it positions us with near term firepower to continue to grow our platform. In sum, we're right on track to grow our fee earnings And our distributable earnings, while also investing in longer term growth. Our portfolio is performing well, and early feedback on fundraising is positive.

Our firm and people are firing on all cylinders, and we are excited about what we can deliver for our shareholders over the next few years. With With that, I want to turn the call over to the operator for your questions.

Speaker 1

Please press the pound key. Your first question is from the line of Ken Worthington with JPMorgan.

Speaker 5

Hi. Good morning and thanks for taking my questions. Maybe let's start on fundraising. You set up the target of $130,000,000,000 at Analyst Day, and the press is suggesting good investor feedback on your funds in the market. And both Kew and Kurt, you both highlighted how things are doing much better, more funds reaching their hard caps or expected to meet their Hard caps versus just their targets.

Yet your expectations are $130,000,000,000 So maybe help us out what might be the upper end of your comfort zone assuming that this constructive environment would Is $130,000,000,000 plus, could that be $150,000,000,000 is it 160, Like how high might that be if everything were to go perfectly and you were to hit the hard caps on the majority of the funds That you expect to be in the market over the next few years.

Speaker 3

Hey, Ken, it's Kew. Thanks for your question. Look, let's focus on the plus of the $130,000,000,000 plus. And things are just going great right now. As you pointed out, market Conditions are strong and we very much are ahead of schedule.

We're seeing real success in driving organic growth And our biggest and best established funds. Now look, not all funds are going to keep growing at the 40% to 50% rate that we've been seeing more recently. But having said that, it's about our performance. It's about the LPs view of us as a consistent, Trustworthy partner over time. It's about our ability to deploy well, and it's about our ability to return that capital back to them.

And so this is a multiyear campaign. We've got several years to go, but we're really confident based on the reception that we've Seemed thus far in the market, with respect to the plus of that target that you pointed out. And then finally, I'd say, look, The trends we're seeing with our LPs, the fact that the cross selling opportunities just continue to increase, The fact that the fundraising cycle for us is happening faster, in other words, velocity of fundraising It is higher. All of this bodes well, and I'm really proud and excited for our team. It's early days.

We have several more years to go. But suffice it to say, the initial feedback is positive, and we very much are focused on the plus of

Speaker 5

I tried to put you on a number, but at least it was worth a try. And then, You suggested things are happening faster, fundraising, investing and harvesting all happening faster. How much of the life cycle of a fund is compressed? Like what is the life cycle of a fund now versus what it might have Then in the last cycle. And is this compression purely cyclical and really just a function of a great environment?

Or is there something more secular here? And if it is more secular, ultimately, the dividend is still $0.25 If things are feeling so much better and feel like they're sustaining themselves, why not increase that $0.25 Thanks.

Speaker 3

Okay. Let me tackle the first part of your question first, and I guess the answer in a pithy way is yes to all the factors you Laid out, clearly, there are cyclical reasons why things are happening great right now because of the current environment that we're in. But there are also some secular and structural things happening in our industry. Let's start first with The change of the changes that are happening because of COVID and because of technology disruption, the fact that Entrepreneurs just want to stay private for longer. The fact that all types of companies, whether they're growth disruptors or large incumbents, are approaching private capital to partner with us because we can help them make their companies better and we can help them accelerate their growth.

All of this longer term bodes well for the fact that our opportunity set in private equity continues to grow. 2nd, yes, the speed is accelerating. There are changes to how deals get These days because of the hybrid environment, I personally think some of those will stick post

Speaker 6

And I

Speaker 3

want to be careful in terms of even saying post pandemic, but when we get through the worst of this, I do believe you're going to see some of those changes stick because it's just more efficient And finally, I think we as a firm, because we're better connected, because of the big investments We've made to build out teams' deep sector expertise. We just have conviction and can move faster. We have domain expertise. Now finally, you marry that with the fact that when we raise our funds, typically, We've, as a rule of thumb, have thought about investing a fund across, let's say, a 4, maybe 5 year Time horizon, but that clearly has sped up. Because of the opportunity set increasing, because of the demand for private capital increasing, 5 has become 4, in some instances, 3 years, maybe even sooner in certain high velocity asset classes like credit.

So the timeline to deploy a fund has in fact increased. But look, none of this matters if you don't perform well. We're focused on being the best investing firm we can be. If we can drive great returns over the long term, the fundraising will continue to be easy. So, let me just stop there.

With respect to your dividend comment, let me ask Kurt to comment on that.

Speaker 4

So, on dividends, just as you'll recall, what we've consistently said is we look at dividends 1st and foremost to make sure that's fixed And sustainable. I don't want fluctuations and definitely do not want it going down. Do want it to grow over time. And what we said there is we're looking to growth And fee related earnings, I'm looking at that in arrears on an after tax basis. And we all know, we're reading the press, we're seeing what's going on, we'll probably see some increases in taxes.

You've seen an increase in our own tax rate. And so we're looking at all that on an after tax basis. But look, I'm feeling really comfortable about our FRE growth. I'm feeling really good about the 800,000,000 And we'll be assessing that in due course, but pursuant to the guidelines I just laid out.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you very much.

Speaker 7

Thanks, Kevin.

Speaker 1

Your next question is from the line of Alex Sebloestein with Goldman Sachs.

Speaker 8

Great. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I was hoping you could spend a couple of minutes on your Capital priorities. Obviously, Carlyle is going to be generating a lot of cash flows over the next couple of years as you enter the So the super cycle poor performance fees, can you help us frame how this will be used?

What are the areas Of inorganic opportunities you might be looking at and if you were to use some of this cash to seed additional products at Carlisle, what are some of the areas of new investments you're looking to deploy that capital? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Great. Hey, thanks, Alex. Let me start on this one. So really just taking off on what I just said in the prepared remarks, you're absolutely right that we're going to We accumulated a fair amount of cash over the next few years, and particularly as we grow FRE and the carry gains that we see really embedded and as well as the balance sheet investments We've been focused on growing organically, which we believe is the highest return on invested capital for our shareholders, And we see plenty of opportunity for doing that. And quite frankly, the forecast that we gave at Investor Day was really predicated on that organic growth.

And so What are we going to do here in the near term? Well, first, we're going to do just what I said, we're going to invest into our larger funds. 2nd, we're going to see new products, things like real estate credit, things like infrastructure credit, things like infrastructure more broadly, renewables. There's plenty of space in terms of new products for us to continue to seed and invest and drive growth. We're also our capital markets business, Look, it's a natural adjacency.

We see real growth there, but you have to also have the balance sheet capital to support Those activities, Alex, you ought to know this most ball given where you're from. So that's one of the areas we're focused on. And then last, obviously, we'll take a look at M Prices are high right now, and so that's why we also like organic growth. But just as Kew has outlined before, we want things that are going to make a difference. We want things that will Help us grow, particularly in our credit business, where we think that scale also helps.

And look, we've not lost sight of

Speaker 2

Great. Operator, I think we can move on.

Speaker 1

Okay. Your next question is from the line of Glenn Schorr with Evercore ISI.

Speaker 7

Hi, thanks very much. Maybe a very high class problem to have, but if you look at all the performance revenues, 80%, 90% continues to be produced by private equity because that's where the big base is. So curious if If you even think about it that way in terms of balancing out the firm over time and maybe while we're on that topic, would you Touch on where you think you're at in the credit build out by product distribution people, however you want to slice it, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4

So Glenn, let me take a shot. So look, we've laid out our priorities really well in terms of Growing earnings, focused on FRE, focused on improving margins, don't obviously want to be the lowest cost provider. We want to be able to invest well. We think that that will deliver higher distributable earnings. But in terms of balance sheet, I want to be balance sheet right.

And not all AUM is necessarily equally profitable. So the way we really think about Our growth is how to drive earnings, 1st and foremost. And then what we're also looking at is with the things that we have coming on, we think We can get very nice top line growth. With respect to credit, there's a lot of growth that's already occurred. So credit, if you look at really the numbers from an AUM perspective, as of June 30, we're up about 20 2% in AUM over last year in the credit business, going from, call it, dollars 50,000,000,000 to $61,000,000,000 in total AUM.

In addition, there's very good top line growth, about 10% year to date over the prior year. Now what's confusing some of those numbers is what you are probably also seeing is the FRE margin hasn't ticked up The way I think it will tick up and this is a business that we think we're going to double here in the next couple of years. What's really happening now in terms of Some of which you're seeing on comparison, remember in the 1st 6 months of last year, we had the Fulton transaction, generated a lot of transaction fees, As well as some cost recoveries first half of last year, obviously not recurring in this quarter now. Second thing is you have a little bit of a drag from Energy business and the distressed business. The energy business, you all know, is winding down and this is not the right time in the world from our And so we have a little bit of pressure there.

But the growth in our direct lending business, CLO business is really performing exceptionally strong. Aviation is doubling. I mean, things are really happening And I'm really doing very well and I'm really proud of that team and think that we're going to see some very nice growth going forward.

Speaker 2

And then Glenn, this is Dan. As it relates to the accrual on your question on concentration, look, just by the way these products have been put together, you're going to see most of the performance revenues From our global private equity platform, credit is much more of a fee business. And then what I would say is if you look at solutions from A couple of years ago where we had virtually 0 net accrual, that's up to about $250,000,000 plus. And within Global Private Equity, We have good diversity across the U. S, Asia, Europe, real estate.

And so we think about it more broadly, even though we report within Global Private Equity, a single Segment, there's a whole lot of strategies in there that make up that accrual. So it is diversified. You will always see the majority of the net performance fees from Global Private Equity, But keep an eye on solutions as well as that continues to grow.

Speaker 7

All cool. Thanks. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1

Your next question is from the line of Adam Beatty with UBS.

Speaker 6

Good morning. Thank you for taking the question. I want to ask about the Capital Markets business. Appreciate the outlook. Looks like it's very strong on track to meet or exceed the financial contribution objectives.

Just wondering in the semi early days, if there were any qualitative takeaways from how that business is going? Obviously, the backdrop is strong. Any evolution In terms of how you see the purpose of it and the size and function 3 to 5 years out for Carlyle? Thank you.

Speaker 4

Adam, thanks for the question. So first, we did some work here to really kind of refocus, Energize the group and it's really playing out well. The business thus far is, well, say, ahead of plan. We're seeing nice growth in our activity, As well as the transaction fees that we're seeing, we're already at a run rate of about $30,000,000 to $40,000,000 In net fees out of just the capital markets part of the business. And I can see that Growing very rapidly and being a double that in the next couple of years, if not sooner.

And one of the things that we've really focused on is making Ensure that we have the balance sheet capacity to support that growth. And what's really nice about what's happened is the team is engaging across the entire platform. So much more integrated across everything we do, both in credit as well as within the various private equity functions. And so our ability to capture the appropriate opportunities out of our existing deal flow is fantastic. And then look, for the time being, we're focused on our own business and our own deal flow before going out and doing things elsewhere, but We've not lost sight of that opportunity as well.

So I do think very early days, very good on where we're headed.

Speaker 6

Yes. Thank you, Kurt. That last part was kind of what I was curious about as well. So I appreciate that. Thanks again.

Speaker 1

Okay, I'm showing no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Daniel Harris.

Speaker 2

Thank you, operator, and thank you, everyone, for listening on what I know is a very busy day. Should you have any follow-up questions, feel free to reach out to Investor Relations at any time. Otherwise, we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter.

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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