Perfect! So thank you for everyone for joining us here with Needham's Annual Growth Conference. I'm Mike Cikos. I'm the Lead Analyst here covering Cellebrite. And so I'm pleased to say that from Cellebrite, we have with us the CFO, Dana Gerner, as well as the Head of Investor Relations, Andrew Kramer. And thank you to both you guys for joining us today, really.
Sure. Happy to be here.
Maybe just to help set the table for some of the newer investors to the Cellebrite story, just from a very high level, could you talk about Cellebrite as far as the main value proposition, and what is it you guys are delivering on behalf of your customers?
Maybe I'll start.
Sure. Okay.
We at Cellebrite are actually aiming to support law enforcement agencies, and especially the investigation units within law enforcement to close cases. We are actually providing a platform of solution from opening of a case until the closure of a case, Case-to-Closure platform, that help law enforcement deal with the increasing gap in public safety, as most investigation currently are dealing with digital evidence.
If you think about how we are living our lives, our mobiles, our wearables, are actually digital witnesses to everything that we are doing, thinking, searching, where we've been, whom we communicated with. What we are actually doing is that the moment there is a case open, an investigation open, we can help law enforcement that are capturing digital evidence to get access to the evidence, extract the evidence, and make sense out of it. So we fill the information from ones and zeros, from binary data to a meaningful, insightful data.
We help them doing it in efficient way, manner. We help introduce automation and a workflow into it, and then we support them in the way that they can actually store it, guard it, share it within an audit trail with investigators and district attorneys, and then after, consolidate all the digital evidence that is being collected through an investigation into one investigative analytics platforms that help them build a narrative of the investigation until a resolution.
All that we are actually providing is software and platform that save time, ensure that no evidence is being lost during the processes, and the ability to find this needle in the haystack that help them solve a case is being found efficiently and fast to close the case.
Yeah.
Anything more?
No. I mean, it's really about helping law enforcement solve more cases faster, and as you do that, you really, y ou know, our brand promise to our customers is about accelerating justice.
Great. And just again, high level here, because I know we're just flipping over into the new year, but macro is something people are getting a better sense of. And I know you guys are a little bit more unique versus the majority of companies here, given your customer base is really tied to, let's say, law enforcement agency or public sector. Can you give us a sense for how customer conversations have been tracking, the stickiness or durability of those IT budgets, and how they feel in today's environment?
So all in all, we are living and working in a very healthy market and environment, budgetary environment. Though law enforcement budgets are not growing dramatically year-over-year, their needs for technology is growing. So we see that they are aware of it, and they are allocating the appropriate budgets to technological solutions to help them go through their challenges. We have been growing in the last, the first nine months of the year, 27% ARR. We are entrenched with 5,000 law enforcement globally. Most of the larger federal accounts, state and local agencies are customers of Cellebrite.
Most of them, or all of them are actually our customers for the, collection and review of digital data, and we have introduced, over the past, year or two, additional solutions, as I said, about, safeguarding the data and sharing it, plus the investigative analytics solution, which, we've seen, more customer understanding their needs and the need to change the way they are operating and adopting those solutions as well. The budgets of our specific customers from technology and altogether is very minute. It's very small within the total agency's budget.
So growing within this budget, although from our perspective, is healthy and very nice, from our customer's perspective, is really minimal and almost minimus, if I may say. Any more to.
I mean, we're not, we're not even close to being a rounding error in their overall budgets. What's fascinating is if you look at a national level, right? Public safety budgets grow anywhere between maybe 2%-6% annually. Spending on Cellebrite in any given country is gonna grow three to 10 times faster. You look at the individual budgets or maybe the average budget of the top 20 largest police departments in the United States, budgets themselves are growing low single digits, headcount, relatively static.
We represent 0.002% of their overall budgets, and so the spending on average is growing 30% a year with Cellebrite. So I think we enter into this year like we did the prior year and the year before that, with an expectation that there'll be healthy levels of spend in our, on our type of technology. Because in a constrained environment where the police are being asked to do more with the same, if not less, resource than they had the prior year, the only way that they're going to accomplish their goals, keep their communities safe, is by applying technology as a disruptive force.
Right.
And a force multiplier to the folks that are charged with the responsibility of keeping the community safe.
Great color, great color. And so, even though you are selling into these law enforcement agencies, it's, it's a sticky business, it is subscription-based, and I know that you guys have a couple of different revenue line items, but can you talk to maybe ARR on the subscription base specifically? How has that evolved over time? How is that leading into management's visibility when thinking about its the confidence in providing guidance to investors on Wall Street?
Sure. So if you look at Cellebrite five years ago, we've been a perpetual business, in essence. We've kicked off the transition of our business to subscription in principle in 2021. We almost completed the entire transition by the end of 2022. So for us, 2022 was the year of transition from perpetual to subscription. In 2023, we hardly sold any licenses of perpetual any longer. So if you look today on our software revenue, you would see that the vast majority of our revenue is software, and it's almost 100% subscription.
That provides us with a great visibility into the business looking forward. If we think about how we started 2023, we had already. Our ARR represented 80% of our budget for the 2023 year. Taking into account our limited churn, our historical net retention rate, and growth within our existing install base, we came very confident into this year. We also updated and raised our guidance on revenue and ARR during the year, both by at the end, towards Q2 and also at the end of Q3. And we feel confidence in our ability to finish the year as well.
Great. Great. And so the next topic that I really wanted to hit on was buying centers as well as new products. And I, I should have said this earlier, but if you guys have questions, please feel free to lob them in, and we'll make sure we get to them while we have you guys here. But with respect to the buying centers and new products, like this, the past 12 months, the past 24 months have been very busy for the company.
Yeah.
Right? Just standing up new product, building out different pieces of the go-to-market. One of the things I'd like to touch on is the platform. And so, you guys more recently have spoken about Cellebrite as this Case-to-Closure company. Can you maybe provide color as far as what is behind that message that you guys are now articulating? And is there a technological bend behind that as well?
Sure. So again, if you look backwards, we used to sell perpetual license, standalone licenses and solutions to our customer. The transitions to subscription was not just a business transition, it was also a technological stack transition. We've launched, two days ago, our new technological stack offering for the digital forensics units, the one who are responsible to capture and collect and analyze the digital evidence.
We would actually provide a full stack of capabilities, packaged on one platform in a manner that makes our customers work much more efficient and much more faster. They can access double the data in the same time. They have more safeguards within their processes. They can do triage and shortcut time to evidence and take out relevant information that is information which is not relevant to investigation.
So what we are doing actually is that we are looking at what makes our customers—what are the pains of our customers? What make their lives difficult? Being in this industry for the last 15 years, law enforcement is a very unique customer base that you build along the time, relationship. These people are there for years. They are very motivated, mission-driven, and if you are their vendor of choice, they will collaborate with you and share with you their pains, and that helps us bring them the best solutions to their pain.
So the platform that we've launched, the Case-to-Closure, actually allow them to streamline their entire process from the beginning till the end of the investigation, instead of moving from one point solution to another point solution, which is time-consuming and not very efficient, to say the least. We are very proud of that, and we believe that that is building the next basis for our growth in the coming three to four years and will allow us to more than double our ARR in this time period.
Great. And so, digital forensics units is one of the main buying centers where you guys have really built a strong position in the market.
Correct.
I think it's probably the majority of your revenue in ARR is in some aspect tied to the DFUs. So before we go further down that avenue, can you just help us better understand digital forensics units at a high level? Who is it that we should be thinking about, the people that are sitting in that unit, right? And what are they doing on behalf of these agencies?
So if you look at an investigation department in any police force, you have the detective, the investigators, and you have the technical people that help them, and these are the digital forensics examiners in those digital forensics units. For every examiner in the digital forensics units, you have 35-50 detectives that you actually cater and support.
So while we introduce ourselves into this industry by selling solutions to collection and review of data to digital, to the digital forensics examiners, our growth potential is not only within those units by providing more solution, but actually stepping out of these units into the investigative units and providing them, as new buying centers, the solutions around investigation workflow. We've done it initially by introducing the Pathfinder.
Pathfinder is an enterprise solution that is being installed with more than 200 of our larger customers and help them digest huge amounts of digital evidence data and create case narratives and solve cases. But we've also have done that through the introduction of our Guardian solution. The Guardian is actually a solution that was sold initially to the digital forensics units. It's a SaaS solution. It allows them to manage the process of intake of digital data and manage it within the lab, but it also allows them to do a very important thing that I know most of us do not believe it, but this is how they are doing.
They are sharing the results of their work by putting it on a thumb drive, calling a detective, and tell them, "Come to our lab and collect the data." The moment that they are doing that, they are losing control of the data, because it can be copied as much as the detective wants. It can be lost, it can be stored then after, as physical evidence in an evidence room and get corrupted because of humidity and so forth. It can be actually also looked at by the defense as a loophole into the integrity of the data.
Our Guardian allows them to share the data through our SaaS solution online, with an audit trail, to a named number of people that can actually access the data and review the data. It allows the detective to review the data in a web-based platform, because most of them have old computers that cannot actually even when they get the thumb drive, not always, they can actually open the size of the extraction of the data that they received.
And that is something that we have introduced to few dozens of customers within digital forensics unit, but we have counted, before the year-end, more than 3,000 investigators already working and consuming this data through our SaaS platform. So this is a great way to discuss also the fact that while most of our solution until a few years ago were 100% on-prem, we are seeing also the customers ready to move to cloud-based solutions and to SaaS solution, and that's a great growth engines for the company for the coming years as well.
Right.
When you think about, Mike, when you think about digital forensic units, it's where we've built, you know, really the foundation of the company and where, as you mentioned, a meaningful portion, you know, of our revenue sits. There's a great growth opportunity for us to do more within that core part of our business, and Dana highlighted, you know, some of the opportunities for us to extend beyond the digital forensic unit with investigators.
But the growth opportunity to have them upgrade to our newest, digital forensic software, which is a much more integrated and comprehensive set of capabilities that appeal to agencies large and small, is very tangible. And then, when you complement that with what we can do to help them manage digital evidence throughout the lifecycle, starting in the digital forensic unit, when the device first comes in, those opportunities are quite significant.
And so, you know, you look out over the next few years and there's no reason to think that we can't continue to build our business at the same trajectory, if not better, as we move forward.
Yeah, I think we spoke in the past about the fact that we are validating our strategy once a year, and once every three years, we are actually engaging with a Tier 1 firm, strategic firm, to revisit our strategy and see if, you know, if we are heading the right way or we are all consumed by our own consumptions, conception of the market. And we've done that this year in 2023. They interviewed more than 350 customers of us, market leaders, legislators, and so forth, to give us better insights if what we assume the market is or where we assume the market is going, is actually where the market is there. And while we.
What was really interesting is that looking at the more newest solutions of us, both the Guardian and the Pathfinder, the assumption that this market, because it is so much in its infant stage, will grow 35%-50% in the coming years. So for us, being there as a trusted vendor and being very confident in the fact that our solution actually gives the right answer to their pains, we believe that the opportunity there is amazing. Not to put aside the digital collection and review, our Inseyets portfolio, that should grow as well, at a 15%-20% year-over-year, as it's been doing for the past years.
And maybe just to punctuate that point, again, with the DFUs, but like, I know I've told clients before, like, when the user is actually going to unlock a device, they say they're gonna Cellebrite a device. Like, there's this pervasiveness in the industry. And so one of the things that would be helpful as well, can you talk about how you guys have been able to build out that, competitive differentiation specifically to the DFUs, right? Like, at what gives you that position with those agencies?
I think constant delivery of innovation. We entered this market 15 years ago as a me-too. We've been in a total different industry, which we've carved out and sold in 2018. We used to be the ones that if you go to a store 15 and 10 years ago and wanted to move your data from your old phone to the new phones, either you transfer it through downloading the data to the SIM card and moving the SIM card, or you use the in-store Cellebrite solutions.
In 2007, we understood that the same technology that we are using to extract data and move it from one phone to the other is used by law enforcement to extract data, the data, and to use it in investigation. There was only one player in the market, a Swedish player, and we decided to enter the market. Two years later, we came with a technological breakthrough that allowed us to extract data not only through the operating systems of the phone, but by going around the operating system and extract the entire data that is being collected by the phone.
Think about our phones. We do not see through our operating system, the deleted data. We do not see the tokens to all our all our social media and applications on the phones. We do not see the entire collection of data on networking that we are going through, GPS locations, health data, and so on and so forth. So the ability to do what we call physical extraction was a game changer, and we became the market leader. Since then, we're the first to be able to help our customer to go over the encryption of data of phones.
If you remember, iPhone, I think it was iPhone 4, was the first phone that they encrypted data even before the locking of the of phones themselves. So suddenly, you could access the data, but it made no sense. It was encrypted. We were the first to deal with that. We were the first to deal with unlocks of phones, both iOS but also Android. Android is 70% of the market, people, and we are the only vendor in the market currently that can access almost the entire portfolio of OEMs and the, and operating systems on Androids, on top of the iOS and the Apple devices.
So being at the tip of technology at any given time is something that we are very proud of, and that kept us as the vendor of choice in a multi-vendor environment in the digital forensics unit.
It's not just about the latest, greatest phone from Apple. That's important, and we are typically, you know, a first to market with those type of innovations, but it's complemented by the breadth and depth of our coverage. Because criminals use all types of phones, they use legacy phones, they use burner phones, feature phones, and they use, you know, the most, the newest phone from, you know, from Samsung, for example. So being able to offer law enforcement that full catalogue is incredibly important, and that's a big moat that our competitors are just simply unable to replicate.
They can strive to do it, and some can do that, you know, certain phone types, whether it's Apple, for example, they might be able to do that relatively well. But being able to match the full breadth and depth of what we can do is incredibly challenging, and I think that's, you know, helps to cement our position as the primary platform of choice, not only for the extraction and the access, but also for the decoding. You know, we invest a lot of research in identifying vulnerability, but also in the decoding of applications.
You could have hundreds of applications on your phone, thousands of applications in any given, you know, OEM phone store, right? Being able to convert, w hen we extract data, it's extracted as binary data. It's ones and zeros. You've got to reassemble that into usable-viewable, impactful information for law enforcement, and that's an area of specialty, you know, for our business and where, you know, I think it's probably in excess of 80%, you know, of our customers have selected Cellebrite as the primary, decoding platform for them to use.
Right. And I know we've spoken about innovation a couple different ways here, as well as new product. So maybe you can help us think about, given the slate of new products that Cellebrite has announced, like, which ones should investors be most attuned to when thinking about nearest term impact on the model? What's ramping? What's seeing the quickest or greatest reception or adoption?
So I will repeat, we are a case closure company, and I think, our, w e look at our, as growth engine on both our three main platform components: the Inseyets, the Guardian, and the Investigative Analytics. No doubt, the Inseyets has the largest install base and currently comprises 90% of our ARR business. So we must continue growing this business to be able to cater a growth above 20% ARR year-over-year also for the future.
And we are putting a lot of effort into making sure that we are at the leading this market and continue to lead this market by this new launch of this offering. We are going to introduce more of the Pathfinder capabilities also on a SaaS platform. Currently, this is an enterprise solution. It is relevant to, I would say, 1,300-1,500 of our largest customers from the 5,000 law enforcement agencies we provide.
We want to replicate what we've done on the unlock capabilities, where we initially sold only in enterprise solutions, and then we provided the same solution as a cloud-based solution, and suddenly, the smallest of our customers can have access to this technology. We believe we can do the same also with our Pathfinder, and thus opening the entire portfolio of our customers to this offering. So for us, it's really about looking at what is the spend of an agency, and how can we increase the spend of this agency through those three growth platforms, while helping them convert to the cloud.
That is how we are going also to present to the market and measure our growth potential in the coming years.
Yeah. So we've got a, you know, I think, a really wonderful opportunity over the next several years. And, you know, you look at the new digital forensic software solution that we brought to market, it was announced on Tuesday, as Inseyets, and it's an integrated very powerful set of capabilities that allow, you know, our customers to access more devices, to extract more data, and to reveal more valuable information off of the data that we're collecting.
And, you know, I think that it's a great opportunity for us to upgrade our customers from our legacy set of capabilities. You know, Dana mentioned before that unlock capability. We've seen adoption of our unlock solutions previously delivered as a separate solution called Premium, right? That's gone from 0%-20% over the past couple of years. But an unlock capability is something that all of our customers need, and not all of them could afford it.
So what we're able to do now is to be able to offer an unlock capability in a much more tiered fashion to fit inside a number of different budgets. So, you know, we have no reason to be anything but really enthusiastic and optimistic about our ability to take that 20% penetration into that installed base, into, you know, a number that's significantly greater over the next several years.
I would like to mention, though.
Okay.
That we also cater the private sector. We didn't speak about it at all.
True.
Yes.
I just want to make sure that we get to that.
Yeah. No, absolutely. Absolutely.
Cellebrite sells the collection offering, the Inseyets offering to the private sector for e-discovery purposes and for internal investigations. So if you think about any large enterprise, 3,000, 4,000 employees, they have their own compliance team, they have their own legal teams, and they deal from time to time with internal investigation around IP theft, misconduct, and so forth.
The uniqueness of the private sector is that you need to be able to collect remotely, because most of our employees currently are working at least part of their time from home, from both computers, mobiles, and business application. Think about Office 365, think about Slack. These are all cloud application that a lot of data is being stored there and may be supporting an e-discovery or internal investigation. Our private sector business is a consent base.
So unlike the law enforcement, which is warrant-based, so you need a search warrant to go through a digital device, within the private sector, this is a consent-based. The holder of the device or the application needs to approve before collection of the data. So that is a business that is currently around 10% of what we are doing from a software perspective. It is a focus area for the company, continuous growth. We believe we can grow this business very nicely with acquisition.
So we will need to do some M&A activities around the private sector to allow it to grow beyond the 10%. We do believe it's a healthy market. We are seeing other players playing there, both on the collection but also the review of data and the analysis companies like Relativity. We believe that we can use the technology that we have in-house to other application, like incident response. And that is a very exciting time for us because, as you all know, we have enough cash in our balance sheet.
We have $300 million+ , all generated by operating cash flow. We are a profitable company. We are one of those unique companies that are delivering both very healthy ARR and revenue growth in a profitable manner over a long-term period of time, and we are generating our own cash. We grew bootstrapped, very unique in the high-tech industry. So we will take this money, and we will invest both in the public sector but also in the growth of the private sector.
Great. And I know Andy had kinda hit on this in his response as well, but I think on the most recent earnings call, management had alluded to the beginning of a multi-year, w hat you guys see as a multi-year upgrade cycle and cross-sell cycle, specifically for the collect and review portfolio. So the first question I have is: Have you guys had an upgrade cycle like this before? Or not necessarily, just because, again, we're talking about all this new innovation that the company's been driving over the last couple of years.
So, the only one that can testify that is me, right? Andy is quite new. So, the transition that we alluded to in our last call was about the transition from the old platform, the UFED and Physical Analyzer, to the Inseyets platform, which we expect to substantially complete it within two years. There will always be some multi-year deals and marginal cases whereby it will take slightly more.
We've done once before a transition from, I would say, hardware-based software to computer-based software in 2014. Until 2014, most of our software was sold on a small tablet that we have produced ourselves, called Touch. In 2014, we introduced what we call the UFED 4 PC, so the same capability that can be used by using the examiners 4 PC. It was an amazing success. We are now 95% 4 PC, so we are not selling any more this, our own proprietary tablet.
If someone—some of the customer would like to buy it with a computer or with a tablet, we ask them to source it in most cases, and in rare cases, we provide third-party hardware. We have transitioned from the Touch to the 4 PC in around three years. Within three years, we almost took out the entire Touch application from our portfolio. We believe we can do it.
And as customers go through that upgrade cycle too, is there a reason to think about a potential lift in spend coming from those customers because you have this new platform that you were delivering?
Look, the Inseyets is not a UFED plus. The Inseyets is UFED on steroids, I would say. It encompassing it, all the UFED capabilities and Physical Analyzer capabilities as we know them now, coupled by a lot of more capabilities, triage capabilities, workflow, cloud applications analysis. And it comes with in different tiers, so it can come with even more capabilities, that some of them are being sold separately now, some of them will be introduced with the Inseyets.
So yes, of course, it will come with a different pricing, which is higher than what they are paying now. But those of them who used to buy each and every solution separately will find the new offering very attractive. Those who did not, were not been able to afford the entire portfolio before, will now be able to afford it through, yes, a higher priced new UFED, but with so much more capabilities than before, they would have paid substantially more.
We believe that it is what they need. You know, In the end, they need to deal with more digital, more sources to process faster. Each and every phone cater more data than it has had two years ago. They need to introduce automation into their processes. They need to use the cloud power to be able, to access and decode so many of those, data sources. It is what it is. If they need, t hey need to keep with technology.
Yeah. So there'll be, as Dana mentioned, a price, you know, uplift as they make that transition to Inseyets. There'll be add-on modules that will augment just a, you know, a new product, 20% higher price tag, more of them, a lot more value associated with the higher price tag. And, you know, the impact of those modules could be as great or greater than the, you know, Inseyets software itself. So the total spend will inevitably grow on a per customer basis.
And when you look at those 5,000 agencies and the applicability as they more of our products are, and capabilities are cloud- enabled, to sell to all 5,000 of those, evidence management capability as well as you know, a share and review capability and the analytics piece, you know, there's no reason to think that over the next several years, we can't double the level of spend per agency.
Terrific.
That's a lot to.
Well, yeah, yeah.
I need some water.
I'm just, I'm absorbing it. I know we have a couple of minutes left. Did anyone have any questions they wanted to send in? Yeah.
You mentioned your small percent of budget, so these should go through. But, what churn, inevitably, are you going to expect on customer loss? And increase, you said, 20%?
Over time.
Over time. So what is the number that you're actually increasing, and what churn would you expect?
If I could just repeat it for the webcast. So the question's around: If someone's moving to Inseyets now, what's the associated ASP uplift? And then what's the contemplated churn as a result of that transition?
So we believe that the ASP over the next two to three years will be on the same platform, upgraded platform, anything between 20%-35%.
Over how many years?
Over the next two years.
Two years.
Yeah. But we've managed. When you look at how we've managed the transition from perpetual to subscription, one of the major challenges we had there is, yes, in the past, you pay a little bit more up front of perpetual, but your annual recurring cost was much lower than your annual recurring cost when you are doing subscription. We've taken our customer through this journey by actually doing value setting, right?
So you explain to them the value of what you are getting against this price. We know how to help them get access to grants, federal grants. We know how to help them unlock budgets that have been, in many cases, allocated to activities that in the end did not go live. And we believe in our ability to convince them that this is the right spending. When we've introduced Premium as a service, it was end of June 2022, right?
Yeah.
And the entry price to this solution was $10,000 to the smallest package. And I remember the discussions, "Well, how can our customers suddenly, in the middle of a budget year, find $10,000?" They needed a solution, and they found the budgets. And that goes directly to what Andy says. It is really hardly noticeable in their entire budget when you are talking about those numbers. Our current churn is ranging between 8%-10%. One to two points of that is relating to what we call voluntary churn.
So we, as part of our compliance and ethics program, are stepping out from countries we don't want to do any more business with, from customers we decided that we prefer not to sell to, and that is represented in part of the churn that we are presenting in the last two years. We believe that 8%-10% will be also the ones that churn in the coming two or three years, as well. We say we do not leave any UFED behind. We will do our utmost to help our customer accommodate our new solutions within their budgets.
I believe we will be able to, you know, we will succeed in that. But let's see. I must say that we've already h ave done two very large deals with one European state police and with one Latin America large police, transitioned their entire installed base, and we are talking about tens of licenses into Inseyets. We didn't need to give in on the price there. They understood the value, and we hope this is a good sign. We are lucky to work in an industry whereby our customers are not competing each other, with each other.
They are seeing their peers in other agencies as part of their community, and if you are doing a good job, and you are sensible, and you are a good vendor, your name is being shared, and the experience is being shared, so.
You know, I mean, you have to also look at it from a public safety perspective, right? What's the cost of not solving that crime? What's the impact to the confidence of your community? And when you look at it from that perspective, the ability of a product like Inseyets to help complete the examination process twice as fast as what we could previously do, that makes a meaningful difference in their ability to work down backlog. State of Tennessee has a year's worth of backlog in just devices alone.
Just wonder, what's your market share in the niche, and who's number two?
So within the digital forensics unit, we are the number one. Around the mobile collection review, we calculated.
What's your percentage?
Yeah, we calculated our share is 40%.
More?
Yeah, it's a multi-vendor environment. So it's really about the money spent. Still, we are as I think Andy said before, if you go in.
Number two has what percent?
Less than half to our.
Less than half.
Less than half to our analysis.
It's, you know, as Dana said, it's a multi-vendor environment. It's not a zero-sum game. You know, and I think for us, it's our business to grow. You know, there's plenty of opportunity out there for secondary and tertiary alternative vendors, but if we do right by our customers, we're gonna be very happy with the end result and so will our shareholders.
Yeah.
I think we have time for maybe one more question. Did anyone else? I thought I saw a couple more hands. Yeah, go ahead.
Just a basic question on how the product works. Let's say an iOS new software out the overnight changed their encryption materially; does that negate our product until we figure out the new software patch?
So once it takes time until it trickle down to the entire install base of iPhones out there. Second, access of phones is a mixture of vulnerability chains, which relates to both the hardware components and the software components. It's never one thing. It's a change of vulnerabilities that are built to, oh, don't like the word, but to attack the locked phones. OEMs are changing both their hardware versions and their software versions on a regular basis. It is always depend what they are doing in their security and what is changing.
Many cases, what they have changed has nothing to do with the vulnerabilities that we are using to access the phone. In some cases, it does, and then we need to find another way to overcome that. So it's on a case by case. I would say that we've been doing it for many years, and successfully. I would say that over the years, we have added new manners and, I would say, strategy around how you tackle a locked phone. So we are not only brute force, as we used to be.
We are doing also a other manners of entering the phones, which are different, and we are researching the research at any given time. No 100% success secured, but we've been delivering constantly, so we believe that we can continue doing so.
When you look at, you know, iPhone and iOS 17, it was introduced this past fall, we've got a production version of that available now for our customers. So, you know, it takes time to, you know, have vulnerabilities that you've identified work in a lab, you know, to move it to deliver that at scale. But so far, so good.
Great. I think we'll have to leave it there, but thank you to everyone for the participation, and thanks to the Cellebrite team.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.