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Earnings Call: Q3 2021

Oct 27, 2021

Operator

Good afternoon, everyone. Before the conference call begins, let me remind you that during this call, management will be making comments and statements regarding its financial outlook and its plans and objectives, which represent forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties as those terms are defined under the federal securities laws. Investors are cautioned that any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future events, performance or results, and the company's actual results may differ materially from its current expectations. Please refer to the risks and other uncertainties disclosed under forward-looking information in today's press release, as well as the company's SEC filings for more details on the risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. The company disclaims any obligation to update any forward-looking statements that may be discussed during this call, except as may be required by applicable law.

You will also hear management refer to certain non-GAAP adjusted measurements during this discussion. While these figures are not a substitute for GAAP measurements, management uses these figures to aid in monitoring the company's ongoing financial performance from quarter- to- quarter and year- to- year on a regular basis, and for benchmarking against other medical technology companies. Adjusted net income and adjusted earnings per share measure the income of the company, excluding credits or charges that are considered by the company to be special or outside of its normal ongoing operations. These adjusting items are specified in the reconciliation supporting the company's earnings releases posted to the company's website. With these required announcements completed, I will turn the call over to Curt R. Hartman, CONMED's Chair of the Board, President, and Chief Executive Officer, for opening remarks. Mr. Hartman?

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

Thank you, Michelle and Julie. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us for CONMED's third quarter 2021 earnings call. I'm joined by Todd Garner, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Today, we will walk you through our third quarter results and provide an update to our full year outlook. We will then open the call to your questions. Turning to our results, total sales for the third quarter were $248.8 million, representing a year-over-year increase of 4.6% as reported, and an increase of 4.3% in constant currency versus the same quarter in 2020. From an earnings perspective during the third quarter, our GAAP net income totaled $14.9 million, and this compares to net income of $6.9 million in the third quarter of 2020.

Excluding special items that affected comparability, our adjusted net income was $24.7 million, a decline of 4.9% versus the prior year third quarter. Our adjusted diluted net earnings per share came in at $0.80, a decline of 9.1% versus the prior year third quarter. Looking at the quarter in more detail, the international markets delivered solid results with 7.7% constant currency growth, while the domestic businesses felt the increased presence of the Delta variant, which held their growth to 1.6%. Both the global orthopedics business and the global general surgery business delivered positive growth in the quarter. Overall, we delivered a decent quarter that was clearly slowed by an even more aggressive impact from the Delta variant than we had communicated when we talked to you on our Q2 call.

Finally, as a follow-up from our Q2 call, we made great progress in the quarter on our announced sales force expansion. In the U.S. market, we're 100% complete across our general surgery business, and the orthopedics expansion is on track to be complete by year-end. Our international market expansion has a handful of positions to finalize and will be completed soon. In closing, I'm proud of the CONMED team and the progress we made during a quarter that had a lot of variability. The CONMED global leadership team and our organization around the world continue to perform exceptionally well in an unpredictable environment. We remain excited by both the near and longer-term opportunities and strength of the business. Our focus remains on meaningful innovation, service and delivery, and enhanced and growing digital strategy.

I'll now turn the call over to Todd, who will provide a more detailed analysis of our financial performance and walk you through our outlook. Todd?

Todd Garner
EVP and CFO, CONMED

Thank you, Curt. All sales growth numbers I reference today will be given in constant currency. The reconciliation to GAAP numbers is included in our press release. As usual, we have included an Investor deck on our website that summarizes the results of the quarter, our updated guidance, and also provides sales results compared to 2019 for those of you interested in that view. For the third quarter of 2021, our total sales increased 4.3% compared to the third quarter of 2020. Our U.S. sales increased 1.6% versus the prior year quarter. Our international sales increased 7.7% for the quarter compared to the prior year. Worldwide orthopedics revenue grew 2.9% in the third quarter. In the U.S., orthopedic sales decreased 2.5%, and internationally, orthopedics increased 6.3%.

Total worldwide general surgery revenue in the third quarter 2021 grew 5.3% over the third quarter of 2020, which was a strong growth quarter for us, growing 9.8% a year ago. U.S. general surgery revenue increased 3.3% over 2020, and internationally, general surgery revenue increased 10.0%. Now let's move to the expense side of the income statement. We will discuss expenses and profitability excluding special items, which include debt refinancing costs, charges related to acquisitions and integrations, restructurings, manufacturing consolidations, amortization of intangible assets, and amortization of deferred financing fees and debt discount net of tax. A reconciliation to GAAP numbers is included in our press release. Adjusted gross margin for the third quarter was 57.2%, an increase of 40 basis points from the prior year quarter.

Research and development expense for the third quarter was 4.4% of total sales, 20 basis points higher than the prior year quarter. Third quarter SG&A expenses on an adjusted basis were 39.4% of sales, which was 310 basis points higher than Q3 of 2020. As we talked about last quarter, and as Curt discussed a few minutes ago, based on the significant revenue opportunities ahead of us, we have invested in adding sales resources to both general surgery and orthopedics. Interest expense in Q3 was $4.7 million on an adjusted basis. The adjusted effective tax rate was 18.4% in Q3. This was lower than we expected, principally due to the excess tax benefit from stock plan. This is difficult to predict, but we don't expect the same benefit in future quarters.

We continue to expect our adjusted effective tax rate to be around 25% in the coming quarters. Third quarter GAAP net income totaled $14.9 million, or $0.47 per diluted share compared to net income of $6.9 million or $0.23 per diluted share a year ago. Excluding the impact of special items discussed earlier, we reported an adjusted net income of $24.7 million this quarter, compared to adjusted net income of $26.0 million in the third quarter of 2020. Our adjusted diluted net earnings per share were $0.80 this quarter versus $0.88 in the prior year period. Turning to the balance sheet. Our cash balance at the end of the quarter was $31.5 million, compared to $46.4 million as of June 30th, 2021.

Accounts receivable days as of September 30th were 60 days compared to the same number, 60 days, three months ago. Inventory days at quarter end were 193 days compared to 167 days three months ago. We are purposely building inventory of our faster moving items to mitigate the pressures on the supply chain and in anticipation of increasing revenue. Long-term debt at the end of the quarter was $703 million versus $708 million as of June 30th. Our leverage ratio as of September 30th, 2021 was 3.9 x, and we continue to believe we should be below 3.5 x by the end of this year. Cash flow provided from operations for the third quarter was $21.4 million, compared to $35.1 million a year ago.

Capital expenditures in the third quarter were $5.6 million compared to $3.3 million in the prior year quarter. Now, let's move to financial guidance. The Delta variant negative impact on revenue increased sequentially each month of the third quarter and peaked in September. While trends are certainly improving in October, the improvement has been gradual so far. Despite the slower than expected start to Q4 and assuming continued acceleration in procedure growth with no new setbacks in hospital staffing or supply, we believe the lower end of our existing full-year revenue guidance at $1.015 billion is still achievable. That would require approximately $278 million in fourth quarter revenue, which represents constant currency growth of approximately 11% over Q4 of 2020, with about 100 basis points of currency headwind.

We expect adjusted cash EPS in Q4 to be in the range of $1.04-$1.09, which represents growth over Q4 2020 between 24%-30%. For the full year, that would put our adjusted cash EPS range at $3.18-$3.23, just a narrowing of our prior guidance of $3.15-$3.25. With that, we'd like to open the call to your questions, and I'll hand it back to Michelle.

Operator

As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star then one on your telephone. To withdraw your question, press the pound key. We ask that you limit yourselves to one question and a follow-up. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Travis Steed with Barclays. Your line is open.

Travis Steed
Director and Medical Technology Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Hi, thanks for taking the question. Just a clarification first. It looks like if you look at growth rates versus 2019, like Q1, Q2, and Q3 were all in that 6% range. Can you just clarify what the guidance assumes for Q4 versus 2019?

Todd Garner
EVP and CFO, CONMED

Let me get there really quick here, Travis. That would be $278 million over 2019 was $264.9 million. I don't have the percent here, but-

Travis Steed
Director and Medical Technology Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

No, that's okay. Sorry. It's okay. I can follow up offline. I can ask a kind of bigger picture question here. In thinking through kind of the Q3 impacts, COVID, US versus OUS, if you could just give some more color on how that's shaping up in early October, you know, versus what you saw in, you know, late Q3.

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

Yeah. I think as you look, Travis, at Q3. The Delta variant had the most impact on our business in the U.S. market. As Todd noted, it grew as the quarter unfolded. That's not to say we didn't experience impact from it outside the U.S. Canada had areas, geographies, Australia, Asia export, Korea market all felt impact from the Delta variant. As Todd said, we feel that peaked as we got towards the middle to the end of September, and certainly better off as we got into October. I don't think anybody's completely out of the woods yet. I think there's a lot of things factoring into surgery schedules, whether it's Delta variant or staffing, and all of those things are still out there to some level or another, but subsiding as we get further into the quarter.

Travis Steed
Director and Medical Technology Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

All right. That's helpful. I guess where I was going with the Q4 guidance question is just trying to assume what, you know, see what you're assuming on some of the staffing issues and the Delta impact in Q4 versus what you saw in Q3, and how to think about, you know, are some of these issues gonna subside as we move into next year, or do you think we're still gonna be dealing with this in early 2022?

Todd Garner
EVP and CFO, CONMED

Yeah. I mean, the assumption in the guidance is that it does subside, right? Like I said, it has started more gradually than we would've liked. We would've liked to see a sharper bounce back. It's getting better, but it's getting better gradually. As we extrapolate that through the quarter, we do expect things to get better from here, but probably more gradually. Then we'll wait to talk about 2022 in January.

Travis Steed
Director and Medical Technology Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

All right. Great. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Our next question comes from Robbie Marcus with JP Morgan. Your line is open.

Robbie Marcus
Medical Technology Senior Analyst, JPMorgan

Oh, great. Thanks for taking the question. Two for me. First one, the capital business put up, to me, what looked like a really good quarter. Maybe you could just spend a minute on what's driving that, any color on how the Buffalo Filter and air filtration business did in the quarter and any other drivers there to think about.

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

Yeah. Robbie, we had a respectable capital quarter. Just remind everybody that earlier in the year, we had noted that we had a new power tool platform, a new video platform, and obviously, there's momentum behind AirSeal and Buffalo Filter from the capital side of those businesses. But just keep in mind the Buffalo Filter capital is on the smaller dollar value, whereas AirSeal is gonna be higher value along with power tools and video. Again, it was not the largest comp a year ago. You know, the market really was driven kind of the way our results fell as well, and that outside the U.S., we had 8% capital growth, while in the U.S., it was kind of consistent with the overall growth in the 2% range.

Robbie Marcus
Medical Technology Senior Analyst, JPMorgan

Got it. Second question from me for Todd. You know, you beat by $0.05 in the quarter and reiterated or narrowed guidance, implying a bit softer fourth quarter than we've been thinking. Maybe you could just walk through some of the puts and takes there in your thinking of guidance. Were there any, you know, delay of expenses or any step up in expenses in fourth quarter that might have been pushed out from third quarter? Just trying to get at, you know, the thought process there. Thanks a lot.

Todd Garner
EVP and CFO, CONMED

Sure, Robbie. Great question. It's actually fairly simple. $0.07 of the beat in Q3 was related to tax, the tax rate being lower than we expected. We don't expect that to continue. Really, if you look back to where we were a quarter ago as we looked at the back half of 2021, you know, we knew that Delta was gonna slow down Q3, but we did not expect it to be as impactful as it was, and we didn't expect it to still be impacting Q4 the way it is. Like I said, it's getting better. We do definitely expect Q4 to be better than Q3, but we don't expect Q4 to be as strong as we did back in July. Things still trending well.

We're still, you know, the long-term prospects and our growth opportunities are all still the same. Nothing has changed. This temporary storm has been a little stronger and a little longer duration than we envisioned three months ago. That's really the only change.

Robbie Marcus
Medical Technology Senior Analyst, JPMorgan

Got it. Understood. Appreciate the questions.

Operator

Our next question comes from Young Li with UBS. Your line is open.

Young Li
Director in Equity Research, UBS

Okay. Great. Thanks so much for taking our questions. I guess to start off, you know, you guys have been more conservative in your COVID impact assumptions and also have been more accurate as a result compared to some of the other companies. What do you see as some of the bigger risks in the coming months outside of another major COVID surge? I mean, there's a whole list of other macro issues that investors have questions about, from staffing, supply chain components, inflation, et cetera. I guess, what are you paying more attention to, and what do you think is potentially overblown?

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

Well, first of all, I appreciate the comment. Todd and I both appreciate the comment on our positioning throughout COVID. We are able to do that because our executive team is highly engaged in the local markets and have not taken their eye off of this. That's in part because of the habits we have around how we're managing this. I wanna take your comment and turn it into a congratulatory note for my executive team because I do appreciate you recognizing that. Now to your question, I think there's some topics that are very well known. There's how long does surgery remain deferred because of variants, and that seems to be slowing a little bit and seems to be moving more into local geographies versus broad locations.

Obviously, hospital staffing shortages have kind of moved up the rankings in terms of their priority. Then the ongoing supply-based disruption and logistics challenges are right up there as well. I think we've said on calls in the past that we've been very proud of our global logistics and supply team. They dove into this in March of 2020 and have been meeting literally every single day on these topics to reach out not only to our Tier 1, but Tier 2, Tier 3 suppliers. As Todd noted, we've been building inventory in anticipation of these things, perhaps getting more challenging instead of easier as the virus moved on. We feel like we're in a pretty respectable position for CONMED relative to supply and logistics.

Not saying there's not new challenges all the time because there are, but I feel like our team is in a really good position to manage these things and minimize any disruption. The biggest wildcard to me is hospital staffing, healthcare worker fatigue, which is very evident, and what that may mean for surgery schedules and overall hospital operations. We're all reading the same things, hearing the same things, and it remains to be seen. You know, if COVID cases drop and people can return to their normal kind of healthcare venue and alignment of work, maybe that pressure will lessen, but we all need to see that.

I think that's how I would frame the challenges we're looking at as we look out into the future here, whether it's this quarter or even stepping into 2022. I don't know, Todd, if you have any other comments or areas of focus.

Todd Garner
EVP and CFO, CONMED

No, I agree. I think all those that you mentioned are the top concerns. I would just point out on the supply side, we've had a very focused kind of all hands on deck approach to our supply since very early in February of 2020. You know, at the time, we thought we'd have to maintain that intense focus for you know, a couple months or maybe three months. We've been at that same level of intensity you know, since that date. The team is very close to our suppliers and managing it as best we can. So far so good, and hopefully we continue to be able to manage that as we have so far.

Young Li
Director in Equity Research, UBS

Okay, great. That's a really helpful color. Appreciate that. I guess as a follow-up, was wondering if you can talk a little bit about the ortho performance in the higher vaccinated regions in the U.S., such as the Northeast, as well as some of the higher vaccinated OUS countries. You know, heard the October comment of a slower rebound than what you would like to see. But I guess, you know, what insights can you get from some of the the regional performance differences about the pace of recovery in the coming months as we expect vaccination rates to increase?

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

Yeah, it's a really interesting question. I'm gonna start at a macro level. I think if you look at our press release, we're very pleased with our orthopedics performance in the international markets. They put up a very good number, while facing some headwinds in markets like Australia, Canada, the Asian markets. I think they'll continue to do so. They've been a sound performer across orthopedics for a number of years and have a lot of history in those markets with very tenured leadership. Our challenge in orthopedics has been the U.S. market, broadly speaking now. We've had ups and downs. We haven't moved into that consistency mode, and that is clearly where our efforts are focused.

To specific U.S. geographies in our orthopedics performance, I don't see a correlation. I'd just be brutally honest with you in vaccination rates and our performance. I was at dinner with an orthopedic surgeon who commented that he has been operating at about 100% of normal since May, June of last year. A facility down the road is operating at about 60%. Our orthopedics business is more tracked to how the healthcare systems are operating in this environment, and there is no one answer to that question. Again, I don't see a correlation to orthopedic performance with geographies with higher vaccination rates.

You would logically assume that, but I think the health system behavior and practices and protocols seem to weigh heavier, at least through my eyes on this, than the vaccination rates at this point in time.

Young Li
Director in Equity Research, UBS

All right, great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Our next question comes from Mike Matson with Needham & Company. Your line is open.

Mike Matson
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Needham & Company

Yeah, thanks for taking my questions. You know, just stepping back, you're going through this kind of early sales force expansion this year. You're building a lot of inventory. I understand there's supply chain issues, but I mean, just kind of reading between the lines, it seems like you're kind of setting yourselves up for a pretty big 2022. I mean, am I missing something here?

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

I think we'll tag team this question, Mike. Our focus has been on innovation and connecting with customers, and we have both organic and inorganic developments that we're very excited about. You know, everybody on your side of the table is very familiar with AirSeal and Buffalo Filter, appropriately so. We've also been working on the organic side and delivering a lot of products. I think early in the year, we talked about the second half of this year we would see more of those in the market and into the first quarter of next year. We remain very focused on our innovation pipeline and the delivery of that pipeline.

All those things with the market opportunities in front of us really motivated us to look at the sales force expansion earlier in the year than when we would normally do that, and we felt like we could digest that. Clearly, those things can be very disruptive, and I'd be less than honest if I didn't say there was some disruption from that for us. As I said on the last call when we announced it, our team has been through this. They're pretty sophisticated in how they handle it. Clearly, anytime you do that mid-year, there's gonna be disruption. I think we absorbed it in the majority.

All we're doing is trying to reinvest in the business to keep it going forward in the direction that Todd, myself, and the entire management team want it to go, which is, grow faster than the markets that we serve. That's what we're trying to do.

Mike Matson
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Needham & Company

Okay.

Todd Garner
EVP and CFO, CONMED

Yeah.

Mike Matson
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Needham & Company

I understand. Yeah.

Todd Garner
EVP and CFO, CONMED

Sorry, Mike, I was just gonna.

Mike Matson
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Needham & Company

Todd, were you gonna say something or?

Todd Garner
EVP and CFO, CONMED

Yeah, I was just gonna add a little bit, and I think it's an insightful question. You know, the normal seasonality is that Q3 is usually our high point in inventory because in Q4, there's a lot of holidays, and we actually have some plant closures for routine maintenance and things at the end of the year. It usually is the high point anyway. The other point I would say is that, you know, obviously, we had higher expectations for Q3 than what happened on the sales side, and so we were building. Inventory is higher because sales are lower, right? Those things go together. The crux of your question, I think, is accurate. Yeah.

I mean, we've added sales resources, as we've talked about, because we are bullish about the opportunities in front of us. We definitely expect to have strong revenue once this storm passes, which we would all love it if it would if 2022 could be a clean, kind of, post-pandemic year, that would be terrific. We would sign up for that. We're bullish about where revenue will be once procedures are back to normal.

Mike Matson
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Needham & Company

Okay, thanks. I wanted to ask one on the gross margin. You know, my model goes back to 2008, and I look back, this is the highest quarterly gross margin you've had. I mean, I know it was only up 40 basis points from the year-ago quarter. You know, maybe you could just talk a little bit about what's driving it. Is it primarily mix from the high growth products, Buffalo Filter and AirSeal or other things?

Todd Garner
EVP and CFO, CONMED

Yeah, it is. It's really good. You know, you consider everything that's going on in the world, with the freight charges and increased inflation and supply costs. We've got margin. I said it was gonna be in the 57% range in the back half, and we're a little above that for Q3. We still expect that same level in Q4. Continue to watch those increasing costs, but, and we'll talk about 2022 in January. Yeah, it's thanks to the mix improvement in the business that has been able to kinda overcome those headwinds that are real and meaningful and still allow us to be where we are. You know, if it weren't for COVID, we would definitely be better.

We look forward to days when you do your historical look, Mike, and you see this as one of the low marks. I hope. I look forward to those days.

Mike Matson
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Needham & Company

Yeah, I'm waiting for it to have a six in front of it. Sorry. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Our next question comes from Rick Wise with Stifel. Your line is open.

Rick Wise
Managing Director in Healthcare Research, Stifel

Good afternoon to you both. Maybe starting off with the smoke evacuation business, AirSeal and Buffalo Filter. Obviously, it's been growing in recent quarters, 20% or better, correct? Maybe just update us, was this another similar growth rate? Just any recent dynamics you wanna point out and highlight? I assume, or should we assume, that's been relatively impervious to some of the COVID short-term pressures here?

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

Yeah. Thanks, Rick. Great question. The good news is that year- to- date, we are definitely above that mark of the 20% growth, and we continue to expect to be above that mark going forward. Q3 was a dip below. Q3, because of the procedure shortfall. We did dip below that mark, and we saw the actual declines in our OEM sales on the smoke side. That's not a majority of our business, that's a minority of that business. The OEM actually declined in Q3. We remain bullish on those growth drivers and think they'll be really important to us. Like I said, year-to-date, we continue to be above the number where we said.

Rick Wise
Managing Director in Healthcare Research, Stifel

Your fourth quarter guidance, Todd, assumes that sort of sequential improvement. Is that a reasonable assumption?

Todd Garner
EVP and CFO, CONMED

Yeah. I mean, the fourth quarter guidance assumes that those product lines should be above the 20% mark in aggregate.

Rick Wise
Managing Director in Healthcare Research, Stifel

Gotcha. You know, turning back to the innovation pipeline, which is always fascinating to me, your slides highlight the 68 new SKUs in 2019, 118 in 2020. I don't know whether we should expect 2021 to be, you know, even more than 2020, Curt. I'd like to hear about that, but I'd be curious to hear whether, given the staff burnout and the challenges of hospital access and physician access, are you having a tougher time carrying that new product innovation message and getting adoption? Or, you know, how's that aspect of the story going at sort of the street level, so to speak?

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

It's a great question. The COVID variant, whichever one it may have been at any given time, and the restrictions that that places on healthcare facilities and access clearly slows down any organization's ability to demonstrate new technology, new product and do trials and evaluations. There's no denying that. If you go back to last year, we narrowed our innovation focus list and said, we're gonna ensure that the things that we're focused on for the marketplace are high priority, they solve very apparent needs, and they advance, in the hands of the surgeon, the care of the patient that they're treating. That's really what we've been doing, and we believe those give us a better opportunity to get in front of our customers.

If you use the third quarter as an example, there is no denying that evaluations of new product technology slowed because of the Delta variant. It's up to our team to find unique or new ways to access those clinicians. I think the industry has learned that webinars and digital resource are very good vehicles to do that with. There's no substitute for in-person, don't get me wrong, but you can get attention through digital webinars, et cetera. We've been working very hard to upgrade and enhance our game there, and I feel very good about the progress we're making there. That's all part of our innovation and digital strategy, which I referenced in my opening comments.

Rick Wise
Managing Director in Healthcare Research, Stifel

Yeah. If I could sneak in one last one, more briefly. To what extent do you think that procedures are delayed and that there really genuinely is a backlog of patients waiting to be treated as we contemplate, okay, maybe it's starting slowly here in the fourth quarter, slower than you would like, but there is a large backlog as we go through the quarter and head into 2022. Is that the way we should be thinking about it, or how are you thinking about it? Thank you.

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

Yeah. I think there's definitely a backlog of procedures. I don't want that to come off as a blanket statement. I want that to come off as different areas have a different amount of backlog. There's some areas that have been harder hit, shut down longer, shut down more broadly. Other areas seem to move in and out of their deferrals and shutdowns a little bit quicker. In general, there is a deferral of patients out there waiting either for surgical suite availability or waiting for staff availability, or dealing with other related issues brought on by COVID, whether it's you know, having to defer procedures because of other family-related issues. I do believe there is a backlog of patients out there.

When they present and how quickly that happens, I cannot give you that answer.

Rick Wise
Managing Director in Healthcare Research, Stifel

Gotcha. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Matthew Mishan with KeyBanc. Your line is open.

Matthew Mishan
Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Oh, afternoon, Curt, Todd. How you guys doing?

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

Good. Good.

Matthew Mishan
Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Good. Hey, I think we all get the impact of Delta on procedures. Is there any way you can give us a sense of the pace of capital placements of like AirSeal and Buffalo Filter versus procedures?

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

The pace of capital placement versus the procedures.

Matthew Mishan
Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Mm-hmm.

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

So the-

Matthew Mishan
Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Delta.

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

The way I would answer that question, Matt, and I'm gonna break it into two different scenarios. In the case of AirSeal, outside the U.S., it's more geared towards general laparoscopic surgery. Inside the U.S., it's been more pointed towards robotic surgery. As we've said many times, if they're investing in a robot, investing in AirSeal is a pretty easy tag along, and we think that still resonates today. If procedures are lagging or slowing down, but they're well down the path of investing in a robot, there's a high likelihood that the AirSeal is gonna come along with it. We continue to do things to work on that relationship, that partnership, if you will, to the benefit of both organizations.

I think there's, you know, a good momentum behind the AirSeal platform, both in the U.S. and outside the U.S. On smoke, I would just remind everybody, it is still very much an early stage. You have to develop the market. The industry has not been using smoke evacuation in broad brush strokes for very long, and there's still adoption and surgical resistance because of the extra equipment that's in the room and the impact on the surgeon. As procedures kinda ebb and flow, we're still working every day with customers to develop them into smoke evacuation filtration users. It's a developmental opportunity. I can't tie that one quite as much to procedures as I can AirSeal because there's more of a developmental aspect to the marketplace on surgical smoke.

I think, Todd actually had some statistics we were looking at relative to, states that have legislation, those that don't, and, I'll defer to him to answer that question 'cause I don't have that right in front of me, but it was interesting data. So Todd?

Todd Garner
EVP and CFO, CONMED

Sure. Yeah, we did just get the update on looking at growth by state, trying to understand the impact of legislation. Again, from the start, we've known that the nurses were gonna drive this growth, right? Legislation was gonna follow the demand, and that's certainly what is happening. It is true that in those states, those handful of states that have enacted some sort of legislation, even when it's not yet on its effective date, we do see a higher growth than average in those states. You know, legislation is beneficial, but again, not the driver of the opportunity.

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

This was the first quarter we've seen that, where those states had put something in place where they had moved ahead of the overall growth rate.

Matthew Mishan
Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay, excellent. Thank you very much.

Operator

Our next question comes from Matthew O'Brien with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Matthew O'Brien
Senior Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. For starters, and they're both on sales force, but the first one is, the slowdown that we saw in Q3 from a revenue perspective because of Delta and some of the other softness related to staffing shortages, et cetera, did you slow down any investments as a result of that, or did you continue to invest according to the plan that you had talked about coming out of Q2? What I'm really trying to get to is, if you're making those investments, you're thinking, I'm guessing, that there's gonna be a fairly quick snap back in terms of the business, you know, over the next several quarters or next couple of quarters.

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

No, Matt. In my opening comments, I said we 100% completed the general surgery expansion in the quarter. We had made great progress on the orthopedic side, and we'll be done with that by the end of the year. That internationally, we had less than a handful to finish up, so we'd be done with that very quickly. We continued as announced with our sales force expansion. I think I agree with what you said relative to being prepared for the marketplace, but I would also caution that statement by saying we didn't do it to have a great fourth quarter or great first quarter.

This was us taking a long-term view of the business and saying, where our portfolio is, where our market share is, these are the right investments for the long term to make for the company and for the marketplace, candidly. We have great technology, we wanna get it in front of more customers.

Matthew O'Brien
Senior Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Got it. The follow-up question, and thanks for that, Curt. Can you give us a sense for the impact of the sales force disruption in Q3? It seems like it might linger a little bit into Q4. Should it be behind you coming out of Q4? More importantly, what do these investments in the sales force, and you've talked about it before, what does it do to the long-term growth trajectory of the company? Does it bump it up by 100 basis points, 200 basis points, 300 basis points? Thanks.

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

Yeah, great questions. I'll attempt to answer the first one, probably not gonna touch the second one. We'll save over those things for overall guidance. I don't know if I can quantify very accurately the impact of a sales force expansion on a given quarter sales results. I think we've all been around long enough to know that there's some impact. To tell you it was 50 basis points or 300 basis points, I'd be totally guessing. I just know that when you go into territories and introduce customers to new sales professionals, when you take time out of the field for training, when you have existing sales reps shifting their priorities, those things are just disruptive by nature. That's why you gotta have a long-term view when you do these things.

Now, I think Todd and I would both say our experience is, in general, these things start to have a payback, you know, six-month mark, nine-month mark, and therefore, they should be additive to the overall outcomes of the company, because we're just gonna be present in more trials, more evaluations, and more opportunities will be presented because we're there. That's the goal. I'll leave it at that.

Matthew O'Brien
Senior Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Okay. Just to be a little bit more clear, the disruptions, though, you think that'll largely be behind you by the end of this year, or it could spill into next year a bit?

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

I think majority of it'll be behind us, Matt. Majority of it should be behind us.

Matthew O'Brien
Senior Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Hartman for any closing remarks. Mr. Hartman?

Curt Hartman
Chair of the Board, President, and CEO, CONMED

All right. Thank you, Michelle, and thank you everybody for your time today and appreciate you spending a little bit of time to look over our third quarter call with us. We look forward to speaking with you on our next earnings call. Thank you.

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