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Earnings Call: Q2 2019

Feb 27, 2019

Speaker 1

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Campbell Soup Second Quarter 2019 Earnings Call. At this time, As a reminder, this conference call may be recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Ken Gosnell, Vice President, Finance Strategy And Investor Relations.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Good morning everyone. Welcome to Campbell's 2nd quarter fiscal 2019 earnings call. As usual, we've created slides to accompany our earnings presentation. You will find these slides posted on our website this morning at investor.

Campbellsoupcompany.com. This call is open to the media who participate in a listen only mode. Turning to Slide 2, today, we will make forward looking statements, which reflect our current expectations. These statements rely on assumptions and estimates which could be inaccurate and are subject to risk. Actual results to vary materially from those anticipated in forward looking statements.

Because we use non GAAP measures, we have provided a reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure, which is included in the appendix of this presentation. On Slide 3, you can see the agenda we will cover today. With us on the call today are Mark Klaus, Campbell's President and CEO and Anthony DeSalvestro, Chief Financial Officer. Mark will share his early impressions of Campbell and provide his perspective on our performance in the quarter. Then, Anthony will walk through the financial details of the quarter, as well as our fiscal 2019 financial guidance, which we reaffirm today.

One additional item before we open our discussion of the quarter, we would like to cordially invite analysts and institutional investors to our 2019 Investor Day at Campbell's World Headquarters in Camden. This year's event will be held on the afternoon of Thursday, June 13th, please mark your calendars, and I hope everyone can make it. With that, let me turn the call over to Mark.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Ken. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for dialing in today. I'm excited and honored to be here and to be part of the Campbell team. I've long admired Campbell's portfolio of iconic brands, terrific teams, and well defined purpose. Throughout my career, I've had the privilege of working on big iconic brands and leading teams to unlock the full potential of the business.

By strengthening the consumer relevance of Since joining the company last month, I've been spending time with our team and our customers to gain a full understanding of the state of the business. I recognize that we are dealing with some immediate challenges which we are addressing head on, but I'm also seeing clear opportunity to further improve our business strengthen our execution and create exciting potential for the future. We have a great but it starts with progress First, we are doing what we said we would. And in many ways, that is an essential first step in our journey. I'm pleased that we delivered results consistent with our expectations for the 2nd consecutive quarter and that we were able to reaffirm our fiscal 2019 guidance this morning.

We continued to make solid progress against our key strategic priorities including stabilizing our in market performance, integrating the Snyder's Lance business, delivering our cost savings agenda and finally, focusing and optimizing our portfolio. Organic sales in the quarter were comparable to the prior year. This reflected strength in global biscuits and snacks, driven by performance in Pepperidge Farm and Arnets, with our meal and beverage business, seeing some declines, but more stable results overall. As expected, adjusted earnings per share declined compared to a year ago. Adjusted gross margin also declined down 4.3 points in the quarter.

The decline was driven by the negative mix impact of the Knighters and Pacific acquisitions, cost inflation, transportation and warehousing costs, and finally, the decision to make select investments in promotional programs strong execution on our base cost savings program and the value capture both of quarter under our multi year program, including Snyder's Lance synergies. That brings year to date savings to $5,000,000, which is slightly ahead of what we had planned. We now expect to over deliver the $120,000,000 in cost savings planned for fiscal 2019. This will help offset cost headwinds we're managing while still delivering our commitments. Another area of stepped up focus is cash flow from operations, which increased to $846,000,000 in the first half reflecting improvements in working capital.

This is another critical area and effective programs in place across the company. We must continue to drive this increased discipline and effectiveness to optimize our working Let's start with our meals and beverage businesses, where our performance was mixed across our brands. Our results were essentially in Organic sales were down 1% compared to declines of 4% a year ago 5% in the first quarter of fiscal 2019. We drove growth in V Eight for the 2nd consecutive quarter behind consumption gains in V Eight vegetable juice and V Eight plus energy drinks. This was more than offset by declines in Plum, Canada and Prego.

Declines in Plum were due to phasing and shipments with consumption up slightly. On the US soup business, excluding acquisitions, sales were comparable to a year ago, However, historical seasonal inventory levels in the quarter following last year's retail challenges as well as favorable timing on new revenue recognition accounting. We are advancing our plan for 2019 which focuses on improving the value while adding better marketing and smart innovation around convenience and better for you. These actions will help improve the foundation of the business and reflect a focus for improved and sustainable results. I realize that you likely have a lot of questions about our U.

S. Soup business including my early impressions of its performance this year and the long term plans for the business. Let me start by will require a holistic approach to building consumer relevance through product, packaging innovation and marketing paired with optimizing the network and business model. It is important that this plan addresses our entire soup portfolio including our core condensed broth and ready to serve businesses. We are the category leader We have iconic brands and we possess the best knowledge of the soup business in the industry.

We can and will bring a comprehensive consumer driven and financially disciplined approach to how we optimize excited about building on the solid work the team has done to date, and I look forward to sharing more comprehensive plans with you at our June Investor Day. Turning to our global biscuit and snacks segment. Excluding the benefits of the acquisition of Snyder's Lance and the impact of currency, Organic sales increased 3%, driven by the performance of Pepperidge Farm Fresh Bakery, Goldfish Crackers and Arnott's biscuits. Nearly a year since we completed the acquisition of Snyder's Lance, the integration of our U. S.

Snacks business is steadily progressing as we build upon the core strengths of both Pepperidge Farm And Snyder's Lance. Strong overall share performance across the portfolio. Pepperidge Farm continued its strong track record of consistent performance with the team delivering its 17th consecutive quarter of sales growth. Continued addition to the franchise leverages both organizations' capabilities. It was invented by Pepperidge Farm R&D and made in a Snyder's Lance Bakery.

Additionally, percent growth in the quarter. Consumers are responding favorably especially the steps we've taken to renovate our fresh bakery portfolio. Now let's look at the other half of our U. S. Stacks business.

The Snyder's Lance portfolio. These brands across Chips, pretzels, crackers and nuts are an attractive high growth spaces and nearly all grew share in the quarter. To position these brands for renovation and innovation and smart new marketing campaigns. We have strong plans in place in the back half of fiscal 2019, and I'm looking forward to seeing these brands flourish behind accelerated innovation and increased marketing. The Snyder's Lance value capture plans are exactly where we expected it to be in the quarter and slightly ahead of our expectations for the year.

Thus far, synergies have come from the elimination of the duplication of public company infrastructure and tighter controls around SG And A. With these changes, the leadership team has created new ways of working and instilled greater discipline across the combined division. In the quarter, we consolidated expect to continue to deliver synergies and begin to leverage I'm very pleased with and we're tracking slightly ahead of our synergies target with a clear line of sight to achieving the full value capture. I'm frequently asked what has surprised me since arriving at the company, and I can honestly say the strength, progress and position of our snack business. It is a formidable portfolio and a fantastic team That creates a very exciting snack business when I see you in June.

Next, on Slide 10, I want to provide a quick update on the divestitures. We continue to make steady As a reminder, combined these businesses represent approximately $2,100,000,000 in annual net sales in fiscal 2018. I met with both the international and fresh leadership teams during my 1st few days in role, and I'm impressed with how they're driving the day to day businesses while managing the divestiture processes. Campbell Fresh is performing consistent with our plans and we're driving improved operational effectiveness in the Bolthouse Farms business. Campbell International had a strong quarter with solid sales and in market performance on Arnott's biscuits fueled by new product innovation.

The divestiture processes are moving forward according to plan. With strong interest from strategic and financial buyers. As you may have seen, we've already announced 3 transactions. The sale of Garden Fresh Gourmet and the Everett Washington refrigerated soup plant as part of the C Fresh divestiture process. As well as the sale of Habit.

But will remain disciplined to ensure that we achieve appropriate value for these attractive assets. We will use the proceeds from We're confident that we will make progress on our goal of achieving meaningful debt reduction. Before I turn it over to Anthony, I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge and thank Keith McLaughlin for his leadership in serving as interim CEO. Keith stepped in at a pivotal moment for Campbell and leveraged his expertise, knowledge of the company and leadership skills, to provide much needed clarity and stability. I've worked closely with Keith throughout the CEO transition process, and I look forward to his continued contributions as a member of the Campbell Board.

With that, let me turn it

Speaker 4

Thanks, Mark. Before getting into the details, I'll make a few comments on our performance this quarter. As Mark mentioned, Our overall results were in Clearly, we have seen pressure on our gross margin in the first half. The negative mix impact of the acquisitions and on the base business from a combination of cost inflation, warehousing and transportation challenges, which are mostly behind us, and higher trade investments. Looking ahead, we expect these trends to improve as we wrap the acquisition of Snyder's Lance the higher levels of cost inflation and the flavor blasted Goldfish recall, as well as execute pricing and promotional actions and drive cost savings and productivity gains.

Against our program, which includes Snyder's Lance, we generated $50,000,000 of incremental cost savings in the quarter, bringing the year to date total to $95,000,000 we are on track to over deliver our 2019 target of $120,000,000, which is helping to mitigate additional cost pressures particularly on warehousing and transportation. We continue to target $945,000,000 of costs and synergy savings by the end of 2022. Overall, we are pleased with the progress made on acquisitions. As the integration of both Snyder's Lance and Pacific Foods is on track and the financial performance is meeting our expectations. As expected, the acquisitions were slightly In connection with our plan announced August 30, we are working to divest our international business and the Campbell Fresh business.

The divestiture processes are well underway and we have seen significant buyer interests for both businesses. I'll now review our detailed results. For the second quarter, net sales on an as reported basis increased 24% to approximately $2,700,000,000, reflecting the recent acquisitions of Snyder's Lance and Pacific Foods. Organic sales which excludes the negative impact of currency translation and acquisitions were comparable to the prior year as gains in Global Biscuits and Snacks which had a strong quarter were offset by declines in Campbell Fresh and meals and beverages. As previously discussed, we adopted new rules for revenue recognition in the first quarter.

In the second quarter sales benefited by approximately 50 basis points as a result of Adjusted EBIT of $399,000,000 declined 1% as a 13% decline on the base business was mostly offset by declined by 23 percent or $0.23 to $0.77 per share, primarily due to adjusted EBIT declines in the base business, a higher adjusted tax rate and the dilutive impact of the acquisitions. In the quarter the change in revenue recognition had a positive impact net sales on an as reported basis increased 25 percent to $5,400,000,000 benefiting from acquisitions while organic net sales declined 2% compared to the prior year, primarily due to declines in the Meals and Beverages segment. Adjusted EBIT decreased 1 percent to $811,000,000 and adjusted EPS of $1.57 was down 18%. Breaking down our net sales performance for the quarter. Organic net sales were comparable to the prior year as higher promotional spending was offset by modest increases in pricing and volume.

Promotional spending negatively impacted net sales by one point, reflecting investments in key businesses to remain competitive. Within promotional spending, the accounting change on revenue recognition had a 50 basis point positive impact There was a 1 point negative impact on net sales from currency translation this quarter. And the recent additions of Snyder's Lance And Pacific Foods to the portfolio added 26 percentage points bringing our as reported net sales increase to 24%. Our adjusted gross margin percentage declined 4.3 percentage points in the quarter. Excluding a percentage declined 2.3 points.

While the acquisitions are reducing our overall margins as we add them to the portfolio, we are confident that the margins on these businesses will increase over time as we integrate them into Campbell and achieve targeted costs and synergy savings. Cost inflation and other factors had a negative impact of 3.30 basis points, mostly from cost inflation which on a rate basis vegetables, resins, aluminum, and freight. We experienced several one time costs in the quarter primarily warehousing and transportation costs associated with the startup of the Findlay Ohio distribution facility mentioned last quarter, and higher inner plant freight to service our customer requirements early in the quarter. We believe these higher costs from both Findlay and the inner plant shipments are now behind us. Going the other way, our ongoing supply chain productivity program contributed 120 basis points in our cost savings program, which is incremental to our productivity initiative added an additional 80 basis points of gross margin.

Net pricing was 30 basis points negative as increased trade investments were partly offset by less pricing actions primarily in Global Biscuits and snacks. All in, our adjusted gross margin percentage declined to 30.9%. As I'll describe later, we expect to achieve sequential improvements in our gross margin trends in the second half. Moving on to other operating items. Adjusted marketing and selling expenses increased 15% in the quarter due primarily to the impact of acquisitions.

Excluding the recent acquisitions, marketing and selling expenses decreased driven primarily by lower marketing overhead and selling expenses including the benefits from our cost savings initiatives. Excluding acquisitions, spending on advertising and consumer promotion was comparable to the prior year. Adjusted administrative expenses increased 15 percent to $160,000,000 due primarily to the impact of recent acquisitions. For additional perspective on our performance, this chart breaks down our adjusted EPS change between our operating performance and below the line items. Adjusted EPS decreased $0.23 from $1 in the prior year quarter to $0.77 per share in the current quarter.

On a currency neutral basis, adjusted EBIT had no impact on EPS, reflecting lower EBIT on the base business offset by the addition of Snyder's Lance And Pacific Foods. Net interest expense increased by CAD60 million a $0.16 negative impact to EPS, driven by an increase in the debt level to fund our recent acquisitions, and reflecting the impact of higher interest decreasing EPS by $0.05. Our adjusted effective tax rate was 24.1 percent in the quarter, which increased by 5.2 percentage points as the prior year quarter benefited from a year to date impact related to U. S. Tax reform.

And lastly, there was a $0.01 negative impact on EPS from currency translation this quarter, completing the bridge to $0.77 per share. Although not shown on the chart, in aggregate, the acquisitions of Snyder's Lance And Pacific's Foods were slightly dilutive to adjusted EPS. Now turning to our segment results. In meals and beverages, organic sales declined 1% reflecting mix results as gains in V Eight Beverages behind consumption gains in V Eight vegetable juice and V Eight energy were more than offset by declines in Plumb, Canada and Prego pasta sauces. Excluding the benefit from the acquisition of Pacific Foods, sales of U.

S. Soup were comparable to the prior year, including a one point benefit related to revenue recognition as gains in ready to serve and broth were offset by declines in condensed suit. As Mark stated, we've returned to more historical seasonal retailer inventory levels, which benefited U. S. Soup sales in the quarter.

Segment operating earnings line 10 percent to $255,000,000. The decrease was driven primarily by the impact of significant cost inflation higher warehousing and transportation costs and investments in promotional spending, partly offset by lower marketing and selling expenses. Here's a look at U. S. Wet suit category performance and our share results as measured by For the 52 week period ending January 27, 2019, the category showed a decline, decreasing 2.4%.

Our sales in measured channels, including Pacific, declined 5.4%. Share for the 52 week period, down 180 basis points from the year ago period. Private label grew share increasing 140 basis points, primarily reflecting gains in broth finishing at 16.3%. All other branded players collectively had a share of 25.5%, increasing 50 basis points. In Global Biscuits and snacks, sales were $1,243,000,000 in the quarter, including $529,000,000 from the acquisition of Snyder's Lance.

Excluding the benefit from the acquisition and the negative impact from currency translation, organic sales increased 3%. This performance reflects continued growth in Pepperidge Farm, driven by solid consumption gains in Pepperidge Farm, fresh bakery products and Goldfish crackers, as well as growth in Arnott's biscuits fueled by innovation. On Snyder's Lance, it is important to note that the SKU rationalization and price realization initiatives are continuing to have a negative rationalization is having a short term impact, this action will result in a more streamlined and more profitable portfolio going forward. Overall, sales performance of the Snyder's Lance portfolio was in line with our expectations with solid consumption and market share gains, for the first half reflecting a 34 point benefit from the acquisition of Snyder's Lance. Excluding the impact of the acquisition, segment operating earnings increased slightly, driven primarily by volume gains, partly offset by higher levels of cost inflation.

In the Campbell Fresh segment, overall performance was in line with our expectation. Organic sales declined 7% to $239,000,000, mostly driven by declines in refrigerated soup. As we've previously discussed, 2 of our private label refrigerated soup customers intend to in source production in 2019. Sales of Bolthouse Farms refrigerated beverages and Garden Fresh Gourmet also declined, which were partly offset by gains in carrots. Segment operating loss was $14,000,000 compared to a loss of $11,000,000 in the prior year.

The decrease was primarily due to declines in refrigerated suit volume, partly offset by improved operational efficiencies on the Bolthouse Farms business. As disclosed in our non GAAP reconciliation in corporate, we recorded non cash impairment charges on the Campbell Fresh segment as we advance the planned divestiture of the business. As part of the divestiture of the Campbell Fresh division, We recently announced the sale of the Garden Fresh Gourmet Business and the refrigerated soup plant in Everett, Washington. On a company wide basis, cash from operations increased to $846,000,000 compared to $660,000,000 in 20.18, reflecting significant improvements from the company's working capital management efforts and as we wrap payments last year on hedges associated with an anticipated capital expenditures were $198,000,000, $66,000,000 higher than the prior year, reflecting the timing of cash payments as well as investments to support our cost savings initiatives and the addition of Snyder's Lance and Pacific Foods to the portfolio. We continue to forecast CapEx of approximately we paid dividends totaling $212,000,000 compared to $216,000,000 in 2018, reflecting our current quarterly dividend of $0.35 per share.

Net debt of $9,300,000,000 is up $5,500,000,000 from a year ago reflecting the impact of the $6,100,000,000 acquisition of Snyder's Lance, partly offset by positive cash flow generated by the base business. Since the end of the first quarter, we have reduced our net debt level by almost $400,000,000. As part of our August 30, 2018 plan, We have initiated divestiture processes, and as we've previously discussed, we will use the proceeds to reduce debt and improve our leverage ratio. Now I'll review our 2019 guidance, which remains unchanged since August 30. We are providing guidance based on our current outlook and also on a pro form a basis, assuming planned divestitures were completed as of the start of We expect sales to increase to a range of $9,975,000,000 to $10,100,100,000 as we benefit from the incremental impact implies in organic sales are expected to decline slightly.

We expect adjusted EBIT of $1,370,100,000 to $1,410,000,000 as declines in our base business are mostly offset by the incremental acquisition impacts of Snyder's Lance And Pacific Foods. The EBIT decline in the base business reflects the anticipated decline in organic sales the negative impact of 4% to 5% cost inflation on gross margin and the negative impact from higher incentive compensation which was significantly reduced in the we expect gross margin wrapping the Snyder's Lance acquisition and the Goldfish Flavor Blasted recall in Q4. Pricing actions we're currently implementing in the marketplace, phasing of productivity gains and some moderation of year on year cost inflation. While we anticipate a significant improvement in the 2nd half, versus our 1st as we want to retain that in third quarter, in addition to the incentive compensation headwind, our plan reflects increased marketing support on the U. S.

Snacks business. We expect adjusted EPS to be in the range of $2.45 to $2.53 per share the delta between EBIT and EPS performance is primarily driven by the interest expense associated with the acquisition of Snyder's Lance And Pacific Foods. We expect interest expense in the range of $375,000,000 Against our cost and synergy target, we are tracking to over deliver our $120,000,000 target, and this is helping to offset the impact of increased warehousing and transportation costs. We are also providing forecast for 2019 on a pro form a basis, assuming the planned divestitures were completed as of the beginning of the fiscal year and based on the use of estimated proceeds to reduce debt. As you can see on the chart, our sales based declines to about $8,000,000,000, adjusted EBIT to a range of 1,000,002 130,000,000 to $1,270,000,000 and adjusted EPS to a range of $2.40 to 2 $0.50.

The overall anticipated dilution from the divestitures is modest given the current level of profitability of the Campbell Fresh division. As I stated, the divestiture processes are underway for both Campbell International and Campbell Fresh, and we have seen significant buyer interest for both businesses. That concludes my remarks. And now I'll turn it back to Mark. Thanks, Anthony.

After my 1st month, I'm excited about the potential of our great people, brands and the opportunities for the

Speaker 3

company. We have a lot of work ahead, but and driving clear ownership and delivering improved sustainable results going forward. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Ken for

Speaker 2

Thanks, Mark. We'll be happy to take your questions. Crystal, let's open the lines and take our first question.

Speaker 1

Thank And our first question comes from Andrew Lazar from Barclays. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Good morning everyone and congratulations, Mark, on your new role.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Andrew.

Speaker 5

Good morning. Good morning. So I guess it would seem that as no investor consensus is really now squarely in the camp that food companies can't really cost cut their way to prosperity, particularly in light of events last week. And it really has to be about a return to growth.

Speaker 2

So I'd love your thoughts

Speaker 5

on this more broadly, but assuming you agree with this line of thinking, as you did your due diligence ahead of taking on this next challenge at Campbell, either when speaking with customer contacts or your industry contacts and of course, your own previous experience. I guess, what were the key factors that gave you the confidence that the requisite growth opportunities really existed Campbell? And do you think the company can accomplish this without more significant portfolio change than has already been discussed? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes, great. Thanks, Andrew. Yes, so maybe a way into the answer is to start a little bit with my take is on what really a sustainable performance model looks like in our industry. I think there's really 3 ingredients It's not that ultimately complicated, although a lot more difficult to execute. But I think it starts with great brands and great ideas that are sourced appropriately that enable the company to deliver sustainable, profitable growth going forward.

I think that's paired then with great discipline around while also creating more attractive financial returns. As much as I wish that you could choose one or the other, I think what we've all learned in the industry over time is that you really need the combination of both. I think the good news is a lot of people tend talk about these things somewhat as mutually exclusive items. And the fact of the matter is a growing business actually has a lot more opportunity or flexibility to improve efficiencies and costs. So the idea that we're striking the right balance between what profitable growth we need paired with the appropriate pipeline of cost savings and cash flow.

To fuel that, I think critical. And I think the 3rd component then, is a high power team that's clear and focused on the priorities that's delivering executional and operational excellence. And so I guess when I took a look at Campbell and I started to spend more time with the team at an external perspective as well as getting to know the internal players as well. I would say that I see opportunity across all three of those variables. We have terrific brands that arguably have been under resourced and perhaps not always focused on the way that I think we can.

Inclusive of what my sense is is a somewhat, at least as of today, a somewhat underappreciated neck business, that I think has great opportunity going forward. Remember, post divestitures, that business is going to represent close to 50% of our revenue base as a company. And today, it's growing in the low single digits. And I think there's a lot of good opportunity for us to build on that business going forward. And then I think you also have a soup business that arguably we're taking some good actions on in the near term But as I said in my comments, and we can talk more about this, I think a much more holistic and comprehensive approach to soup I think can further optimize that business going forward.

And so as I look at that opportunity, I feel good that we can make improvement on the growth side of our algorithm, while also feeling great about the pipeline of costs. The combination of our own cost initiatives, which I believe are appropriate rationalization and discipline without necessarily cutting to the bone on capabilities and things that I believe we will ultimately need to succeed on the business, while also having this Snyder Lance value capture. That combination, along with what I think is some very good working capital programs that have put in place and a stronger plan on capital spending overall, along with the divestitures, enabling us to reduce debt, I think, gives us that fuel that I talked about is the 2nd ingredient. And then I think the 3rd area of the team, it's interesting when you come in to an organization that has had a relatively difficult, past couple of years. Sometimes you expect to see a team that might be hanging their head or feeling a little bit woe is me.

And I got to be honest, I've seen a very different, attitude. It's a passion ownership for the company and the brand, a true belief that we should be performing better and an appetite to make changes to how our focus and our accountability is driven that enables us, I think to begin to unlock some of that acutional excellence that I talked about in point 3. Yes, I certainly don't want to portray this as simple or an overnight fix. But I think as I looked at those elements and said, is there room an opportunity for improvements? I felt very good about that.

And I think a clear roadmap, starting with the focus areas that keep the team identified, coming in. I think positions us well to make steady progress. And I believe an opportunity to create shareholder value over the future.

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from Ken Goldman from JP Morgan. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Hi, good morning. One quick one for me and then a longer follow-up if I can. I know that you talked about the timing of shipments being ahead of consumption and you talked about some inventory. I think there's some speculation in the market that perhaps the timing of the early snap payment affected some of the companies that are reporting some January numbers right now. I know it's hard to tell, but to the best of your ability, can you determine whether the extra snap payment has helped you at all?

And whether you expect any kind of reversal or whether in your opinion, it's just sort a non story?

Speaker 3

Well, I think, Ken, a little bit of the challenge for us in the quarter is there's a variety of moving pieces in this. Part of it is what we're comparing to a year ago, as well as some of the dynamics that we're experiencing on where we're infusing investment and how we're thinking about the promotional schedule. I do think the phasing over time was to some degree was affected by it, but I think the bigger drivers for us related to the fact that a year ago in this period, as we were navigating some pretty tough retail conversations. We did not reach what I would call the historical level, for the seasonal inventory build. I think as we look forward, I think that will normalize over the balance of the quarters.

Of course, you'll have a little bit of noise around revenue recognition changes as well. But I think in general, we'll see a little bit of consumption likely outpacing shipments a bit in Q3 as we normalize that inventory level. But for the year, I expect it to be pretty equal across the board.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you for that. And then my follow-up is you reiterated guidance today, obviously, and in your slides, you're reiterating your fiscal 'twenty two saving targets as well. Is the message you're sending that you feel very good that these targets are reasonable and that you support them? Or is it really just too early for you to make any changes?

And I guess the reason I'm asking is there's still an expectation or a belief that maybe you'll do some sort of rebase ahead. And people are curious, is it just too soon for you? And maybe as you get closer to the numbers, you say, wait, we need to take a step back here? Or is this really you saying, you know what, I've gone through these numbers and I feel very good about them and there's not going to be any kind of rebase coming?

Speaker 3

Well, I think first, let me just start by saying, I think the rigor that went into defining the algorithm, and the work that was behind it, especially the 2019 guidance, I think, was very robust. And so what I would tell you, I think given that rigor and the reasonableness of framework, I feel very good about that direction and I'm very committed, especially delivering on our 2019 commitments, but also pursuing what the longer term algorithm looks like. I think I also feel very good about the strategic framework that was put in place. I mean, our as you look at it, the idea of simplifying, focusing and optimizing our portfolio, divesting some non core businesses to reduce debt and improving our execution, speed and efficiency are somewhat hard to argue with. And I think our great first steps to address what some of our immediate challenges are.

I think as we go forward, we need to create, the completeness of that plan add more robust elements underneath each of those headers as we really create what I think will be a clear roadmap for the future that builds upon what those foundations are. I think in doing that, we've got to understand what the right balance is between the cost savings we can generate as well as the investment we need. But I think living within the guidance that was given certainly is my objective. I do think in in fairness to my time, in the seed. I want to spend a little more time making sure that the investment models and that the plans that are in place are all consistent with what those, what I believe we need to have in place to deliver on those objectives.

Does that make sense, Kent, to you?

Speaker 6

It does. Thanks so much, Mark.

Speaker 1

Yeah. Thank you. Our next question comes from Brian Spillane from Bank of America. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Speaker 3

Hi, Brad.

Speaker 7

Mark, I guess my question is really, as we've sort of observed, the retailers, response to some of the actions the Campbell has made over the years in the suit category specifically. It just seems like retailers have maybe been less enthusiastic about the category and maybe looking at it for ways to sort of harvest profits out of it or margins out of it. So I guess could you talk about, from your perspective so far, how you see the retailers attitudes around the category and maybe what it would take to get them reengage with it?

Speaker 3

Yes, thanks, Brian. Well, one of the things that was helpful was in the 1st week, I was on the job we had FMI. In Florida. So I got to spend some good quality time with our retail partners in the 1st week. And I think in many ways, their response was pretty consistent, which is, hey, we do expect you as the category leader of soup to help us understand the vision and really step up and bring to bear a plan that can optimize the portfolio and hope with hope of being able to improve it going forward.

And I think that call to action is a good one for us. When you think about the role that soup plays within the company, I think it is undeniable, that we have got to apply, as I said, a bit in my comments, a better, more holistic plan. Although I like and believe that the near term actions we're taking are helping the cause. If you look at a couple of the places where we're supporting the business more directly like cooking within condensed, you see flat shares on that portion of the business versus the decline overall on the franchise or a chunky business that we've turned back on support that we're actually growing share on that business for the first time. In quite a while.

And then continued growth on some of the health and wellness businesses on Welles, in our broth business, which has also done well. So I feel good about those actions, but clearly as you look at our end market results, we recognize that it's not enough. And so I think what we've got to bring to bear here is a more holistic plan. And what I mean by that is clear definition of portfolio roles for our individual brands across the range, where we're really driving consumer relevance against each one. We get the fundamentals right.

So price, package, quality and the support levels, again, disciplined with good ROI. It's not grow at all costs, but a good approach to how we provide the right support behind the business and sustainable support behind the business. And then I think we add innovation that's going to bring relevant opportunities to enter into either a bigger role in than what we're doing today. And then with that in place, I think we need to articulate a vision for retailers collaborating with them on how we rethink the shelf and the destination in the store, and that's traditional retail as well as some of the growth channels. And then backstop that with network optimization and a supply chain model that's going to ensure that we've got a margin architecture that's profitable over the future.

So when I talk about that, again, it's somewhat early days. I don't, you know, I would say we've got great work done in many areas, but we need to work the complete plan, and we are doing that very, very rapidly. But I think if we step up and take a full swing on this business, would that kind of rigor across the plan, I think that's going to give us our best opportunity to improve the trajectory and also signal to retailers, our commitment to this category and the opportunity that I think it can represent. Again, not an overnight fix, But I think a steady journey forward on our ability to do that. And as I said, we'll talk more about it, when we get to the Investor Day in June.

Speaker 7

Thanks Buck.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question comes from David Driscoll from Citi. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Great. Thank you, everybody. Good morning, Mark. Welcome to the company and appreciate you being on the call today. I want to ask a follow-up to Ken's question.

I really just wanted to stand about the big $945,000,000 multi year savings program, I mean to me, I got to say this is This looks to me like it should be the number one item on your list, but I want to hear that from you. I know there's It probably seems like there should be a lot of number one items, but you got to prioritize these items. Have you had enough time to really delve into the details of the program I know you partially answered the question a moment ago, but I can't underscore enough how much I think investors are sensitive to it. And then what we all want to know desperately Is this program aggressive in your opinion? Is there are there parts of this?

Because again, to Andrew's point earlier, I mean, we just saw a spectacularly bad event last week. So then what does it mean for these types of savings programs. In your initial assessment, would you characterize the savings program as aggressive? And then I have a follow-up, please.

Speaker 3

Yes. So let me hit the first part of that question head on. Absolutely, it is imperative for us as a company because regardless of what you may, believe or know that we need to do relative getting the balance right between opportunity that is created, by the work around the cost agenda. As far as how I would categorize it, I think the good news is it's not one thing or a silver bullet. It's a variety of different initiatives that I think in each individual case is appropriately set.

The reality is, is we have opportunity to improve our discipline and our rigor around a variety of different cost areas as well as what I think is a very well organized and put together value capture program for Snyder Lands. I've been through a few of these and really what is important as you start to think about value capture agendas, have you a appropriately put ideas, programs and governance around each of the elements that are driving the savings, while also being realistic about where the investments may need to come to support the business going forward. And I think we are we have done a very good job on lining up the elements that will fuel the cost savings program And again, I think in some areas, we're more aggressive than others, but I would say in the areas that are related to our ability to perform or drive the business. I think we've taken an appropriate level of balance. I think on the investment side.

So post the $945,000,000 of savings, how do we think about the investment? I think we've made a lot of progress on that, but this is where I wanna spend a little bit more time with to support the businesses. But I think it begins, as you say, with really that focus and orientation, on generating the cost savings without replicating perhaps some of the challenges that we've seen emerge in our industry where it's about cutting at the expense of our capability or going beyond what we think is appropriate for what our objectives are on the broader business.

Speaker 8

And then a quick one on your sales guidance. So I think you guys added a 1 point negative impact from foreign exchange. The dollar numbers don't change. So organic revenues are up your in market performance negative 5. I'm just getting a lot of questions, Anthony, and Mark, if you want to answer, but how do you maintain the dollar guidance with soup down 5 and foreign exchange headwinds coming in?

Can you just help us bridge how the full year is going to pace and why this suit performance is okay and able to allow you to reiterate the sales? Thank you.

Speaker 3

So, Anthony, why don't you take the guidance question? And then I'll come back with, how do we feel about soup?

Speaker 4

Yes, I guess there's obviously a couple of parts to the guidance. The organic performance, the incremental contribution from the acquisition and currency. So when we came into the year, we thought currency would be about 50 basis points negative. Turning out to be more like 100 basis points. So there's a little bit of a negative inside of that.

But respect to the incremental impact from acquisitions, we are tracking spot on where we expect it to be in terms of the first half, second half contribution from both Snyder's land and Pacific Foods. So that's on track. And lastly, in terms of our overall organic sales performance, is to be. So although suit this down a little bit, we have other parts of the portfolio that are up a bit. And as we look to the second half, and we need to do about a minus 2 organic to hit the middle of the range.

And there's some flex plus or minus around that. So we feel pretty good about where we are. And hitting the guidance by the end of the year.

Speaker 3

Yes, I think one of the things in the back half that we're excited about is the as we come through the integration of the Snyder Lance business, the team's done a very good job building a pretty robust agenda, both on the marketing and innovation funnel as we look at the back half of the year. And I would expect to see some increased investment but also, strengthening performance on some of those businesses, which I think will help, kind of compensate for what I still would expect to be a somewhat weaker, trend on soup that we're working hard to improve on. But I think that balance is how you get to the math that, that lines up with the guidance. One other point is end of March, we're going to wrap Snyder's Lance. So for 4 months, we expect to see a positive contribution to our organic sales performance from that business.

Speaker 8

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Of time, our final question will come from Robert Moskow from Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Hi, thank you for getting me in the queue.

Speaker 4

Hi, Rob.

Speaker 9

Nabisco running a DSD network the margins on that business were a lot higher than Snyder's Lance's margins, which are still single digit. And I just want to know what do you think the big difference is between the margin structure of these two companies And, how do you close the gap? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes. Well, it's a, it's a great question. It's, in fact, I think as we talked before about, as we start to look closely at our cost agenda and we talk about value capture, it is one of the opportunities that I think should give us some confidence is that disparity in margin architecture and the opportunity to bring it up, even with the value capture one of the things that I think we've used is a little bit of a gut check on it. It would still operate below where we are on Pepperidge Farm, which I think is encouraging opportunity that even beyond what we see in the value capture we can improve. So I think a lot of the power of margin architectures on DSD, it revolves around scale, the efficiency of how you're running your network, and that you're fueling your innovation and you're spending in a way where you're taking full advantage of your presence in store.

And I think as you look across those variables, I would suggest we have some opportunities to improve in all of those areas. I think the combination, although, as we talked about today, really the focus of the integration has been more on the sales operation and headquarters I think the idea that we can use best practices and how we think about optimizing routes, how we think about optimizing impact in store how we get the balance right between what is kind of our sweat equity around merchandising through our drivers and what we're truly investing in price. While creating a lot better scale and operational efficiencies in our supply chain I think is going to be where the unlocks are. The Nabisco business is a very efficient business. And again, sets a fairly high bar, but I think the idea that we can bring this closer to what our Pepperidge Farm margin architecture is get closer to that balance as a company as a goal.

I think bodes well for what the opportunity, both again, from the integration, but also where our focus can be going forward to continue to drive opportunities. Is that good, Rob? Does that give you a little bit insight

Speaker 9

Yes, maybe one follow-up. At the start of the year, one of the concerns about Snyder's Lance was that they had entered into some price contracts with customers that were unfavorable. Are those still in place? And is there effort now to renegotiate them higher?

Speaker 3

I think we're cycling through, a variety of those initiatives. And I think again, part of The dynamic here is really going back in and making sure that we're crystal clear on what the right price value equations are, how we navigate price gaps. So I think it's far as a if you would if you're wondering whether it's a drag on the business going forward, I would say we feel pretty good about where we are on that journey. And how we're set up for the back half of the year.

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation and everyone have a great day.

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