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Earnings Call: Q4 2012

Sep 26, 2012

Operator

Good day, everyone, welcome to the Copart, Inc. fourth quarter fiscal 2012 earnings call. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. For opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Jay Adair, Chief Executive Officer of Copart, Inc. Please go ahead, sir.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the fourth quarter call for Copart and a wrap up on our fiscal year 2012. Will and I are in two separate locations today as we've done in the past. I'm going to turn it over to Will now for opening remarks, and he'll pass it back to me, and then we'll open it up for question and answer. With that, it's my pleasure to turn it over to Will Franklin, CFO.

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

Thank you, Jay, and good morning. Before we begin our comments, I would like to remind everyone on the call that our remarks will contain forward-looking statements, including statements concerning our views of trends in our business. These statements are neither promises nor guarantees and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause the final results to differ substantially from those projected or implied by our comments. These risks include trends in average selling prices for cars and other factors that can affect our gross margins. For a more complete discussion of the risks that could affect our business, the management's discussion and analysis and the risk factors contained in our 10-K, 10-Q and other SEC filings. I will now provide a few brief comments about our financial performance in this, our fourth quarter of our fiscal year.

Consolidated revenue was $226.6 million compared to $215.4 million for the same quarter last year, an increase of 5.2%. The growth in revenue was driven primarily by increased unit volume in North America. Volume in the U.K. remained flat and continued to be challenged by the lingering recession in the region. The growth in North America was broad-based. We began to see the incremental volume associated with our exclusive contract with Nationwide, which we entered into in our previous fiscal quarter. We expect incremental volume for this contract to reach full run rate by the end of our first quarter of fiscal 2013 and to be fully reflected in our second quarter's results.

Volume from non-insurance cars grew by almost 5% over the same quarter last year and represented 21% of all cars sold during the quarter. Same-store sales on a consolidated basis and expressed in units was up 6.6%. Excluding the impact of Nationwide, it would have been up 4.4%. In North America, same-store sales in units was up 8%. Excluding Nationwide, it would have been up 5.4%. The increase was driven, we believe, by continued growth in our market share for salvaged cars from insurance companies and our continued expansion into the domestic used car redistribution market. On a consolidated basis, revenue per car was up modestly as the detrimental impact of lower used car pricing and commodity pricing on a year-over-year basis was offset by a beneficial mix of products sold and seller contracts.

The total number of purchased cars sold decreased by 14% as we continued to migrate contracts in the U.K. from the principal model to the agency model. In the U.K., purchased cars represented 29% of the total volume in the current quarter, compared to 39% during the same quarter last year. Yard and fleet expenses grew from $81.8 million- $85.9 million or 5%. The increase was driven by the growth in the volume of cars sold. Our gross margin grew from $89.6 million- $99.4 million, or 11%, and our gross margin percentage grew by 230 basis points. General and administrative costs, excluding depreciation, were $26.4 million compared to $23.7 million for the same quarter last year.

The growth was due to increased costs associated with expanded international operations, which will continue, and the incremental costs associated with the rollout of the new ERP system. During the quarter, we estimate those costs to be approximately $2.4 million. We expect to incur incremental costs associated with the rollout throughout fiscal 2013 and the first part of fiscal 2014. These costs will fluctuate from period- to- period, depending on the phase of the rollout. We expect to be fully integrated by the end of calendar 2013, at which time these costs will abate. Our operating income increased from $63.5 million- $69.5 million or 9.5%, and our diluted earnings per share increased from $0.29- $0.35 per share, or almost 21%.

Our operating margin increased by 120 basis points over the same quarter last year. We ended the quarter with over $140 million in cash. Accounts receivable, inventory, and vehicle pulling costs all increased on a sequential basis as we grew inventory. During the quarter, we generated over $32 million in operating cash flow as net income and non-cash expenses generated approximately $64.3 million in cash and was offset by cash consumed in our balance sheet, primarily for the growth in inventory and the payment of deferred taxes. We expended $28.5 million for the acquisition of businesses and other capital assets during the quarter. Finally, during the quarter, we expended $65.6 million for the repurchase of approximately 2.8 million shares of our own stock. That concludes my comments on the quarter.

I'll now return the call back to Jay Adair, our CEO, for further comments. Jay?

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Thank you, Will. Again, good morning, everyone, and welcome to the call once more. We're really excited about the events and the things that took place for Copart in fiscal 2012. At the beginning of the year, I announced the Overdrive effort that we have undertaken. We are now one year into a three-year process to transform our company. Part of that Overdrive experience was moving out of California, and I'm happy to announce that we have exited the headquarters that was in Fairfield, California, completely and given the building back to the owners. We now have moved into our brand-new headquarters in Dallas, Texas, and are excited about that first part of the transition taking place. If you have time, come see us in Dallas.

We will be furthering our work in the next two years as we implement new technologies, as Will discussed in his call. We also, in the year, sold off both airplanes that we had. We've talked about that in previous calls, but by being based in don't have the need now to have aviation. We can get everywhere we need to get from DFW. In the year, we took an $8.7 million impairment associated with our move to Texas, and that included the planes. In this quarter, we recognized an additional $1.2 million loss, and that is reflected below the line and not in G&A.

I want to point that out, call that out for you because now that is the last of that since the planes are officially sold off. In the year, we acquired four new locations. Two of those locations were in Alberta, Canada, one location in Calgary and one location in Edmonton. We have a new location in the south end of Atlanta and a new location in Mebane, North Carolina, which is between Greensboro and Raleigh. On the expansion side, we bought out existing leases or purchased new land so that we can expand existing locations at five facilities. Finally, I just wanted to mention that for the year, we purchased $203.3 million worth of stock or approximately 9 million shares.

With that, rather than going through any other points, we'll open up for questions and try to touch on any points that you may have on the call. Casey, if you'd please take questions at this time, that'd be great.

Operator

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please signal by pressing the star key followed by digit one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. Also, if you pressed star one earlier during today's call, please press star one again to ensure I've captured your signal. We'll pause for just a moment to allow everyone an opportunity to signal for questions. We'll take our first question from Bob Labick with CJS Securities.

Bob Labick
Analyst, CJS Securities

Good morning. Congratulations on a nice quarter and year.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Thanks, Bob.

Bob Labick
Analyst, CJS Securities

First question. Obviously, international expansion's been a big theme for you guys recently, and the move into the UAE looks like a nice location. Can you talk a little bit, more, you know, broadly about what Copart can bring to a new geography? Obviously, your advantage in North America is the land, logistics, technology, supply base and buyers. Going into a new area, you know, what are the big advantages Copart brings?

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

I'll go ahead and respond to that. If you don't mind, too, for folks that are asking questions, if you can point them out to, whether the question's for Will or myself, that'd be great. I'd be happy to comment on that, Bob. You know, Dubai is our second-largest market. The UAE is the second-largest we sell to, outside of the U.S., the number one market being Mexico. For us to get a footprint in there, yes, we get to sell cars, and we're holding. We've had three auctions now in that market. That's great, and that allows for growth. That allows for us to go out and reach out to all the insurers there and process their vehicles.

It also allows for us to recruit buyers in that market, to take payments in that market, and to assist in the shipping process, which is something today, the logistics of that is being done through vendors to the buyer base or by buyers directly. Now that we've got a facility, we've got storage, we can actually assist in not necessarily the actual shipping, but once it is shipped from a U.S. location to the Middle East, we can then take that vehicle and store it at our location for them and assist in that process. It just allows us now to expand throughout the Middle East and into those markets, and it's part of our strategy to deploy in a number of international markets, which I bring up the last point, which is really important.

We're a unique company in that we get a benefit by having a global footprint. A lot of companies, I give the analogy of when Walmart opens up in the U.K., and they've got Asda. Buyers at Asda probably aren't going online and buying product at Walmart in the U.S. For Copart, when we open up in a market like the U.K., we start selling motorcycles in the U.S. There's an opportunity as we open up in multiple locations around the world, to cross-pollinate the buyer base between markets.

Bob Labick
Analyst, CJS Securities

Okay, great. Stick with you, Jay. You've had a lot of success with the non-insurance market growth, you know, volume growth. What are the key areas going forward in that market, and how big can non-insurance be for Copart?

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Well, we've talked about those key points in the past. You know, we go after all facets of the non-insurance market, whether it be TPA or charity or dealer business. We're gonna continue to go after that. We have been successful, I think the limit's quite high. It's an enormous market compared to the size of the total loss vehicles in the U.S. or the U.K. or Europe or any market. You know, it's one of those books of business. What excites me about it's one of those books of business where we've had some really great growth in the last year on the insurance side, yet that business has been able to maintain a 79/21 split.

They've been able to keep the growth going on even though, even though the insurance side's been growing. That's good stuff.

Bob Labick
Analyst, CJS Securities

Okay, great. I'll let others ask questions. Thanks very much.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Thanks, Bob.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from John Lovallo with Merrill Lynch.

John Lovallo
Analyst, Merrill Lynch

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the call.

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

Hi, John.

John Lovallo
Analyst, Merrill Lynch

Jay, I'll start with you. I think over the past quarters you had mentioned potentially giving an outlook on CapEx. I was wondering if you guys are in a position to do that.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Yeah. John, it's funny because we met this week talking about it, we may give some CapEx guidance in the following quarter. It just felt way too difficult. The range was so wide for us. Really that boils down to you just don't know what deals you're gonna get done. The range was so wide that we just felt like it wasn't a good idea. I'll leave you with this. We spent a little over $200 million last year on buying our shares back. We look at our cash position and the return on our cash as a factor on the return we can get from buying our own company back. We're not gonna go out there and deploy capital on things that are not a good use of capital.

We're not gonna go after businesses that don't make sense, and we're not gonna go out and expand yards that don't need the expansion. We've got great capacity today, but we are expanding some yards just to maintain that capacity. We are looking at targets out there. If we can get a better feel for it in the next quarter or the quarter after that, then we'll give you guys some guidance on that. Otherwise, for now, we've decided to hold off because the variance is so wide.

John Lovallo
Analyst, Merrill Lynch

Okay. That's helpful. Jay, one more for you. G&A last quarter, I think you'd mentioned kind of the $25 million, $26 million per quarter run rate. Is that still reasonable for 2013?

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

The factor that'll change in 2013 is we are really transforming our company from a technology standpoint. We've got technology that'll continue to run the company for the next year or two or three. For us to vantage the world we live in today, both on a SoLoMo level and on a cloud-based computing level, all the technology that's out there, we have got to really transform our company to that next point. There's gonna be G&A costs associated that are one-time. We expect G&A to be higher than that this year. You know, candidly, the good news is that that is timing, duplicative costs that's associated with running two systems at the same time. Once that one system is in and it's running and it's functioning, the other system will be shut down, and those costs will go away.

John Lovallo
Analyst, Merrill Lynch

Great. Very helpful.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

And, and I-

John Lovallo
Analyst, Merrill Lynch

Will, sorry.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

I'll just add to that. When that happens and we've got a feel for what that expense is gonna be, Will's gonna call that out so that you know exactly what parts of G&A are considered non-recurring.

John Lovallo
Analyst, Merrill Lynch

Very helpful. Will, I'll end with you. Just on the share repurchases in the quarter, I think it was 2.8 million shares. Now, the share count didn't drop, you know, by quite as much. I'm just wondering if a large portion of this was offsetting dilution from stock comp?

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

No, it's just that you don't get credit for the entire quarter. When you purchase a share during the middle of the quarter, you apportion the benefit throughout the quarter. If it's purchased in the middle of the quarter, you'd only get 45 days benefit or half the benefit of the shares purchased during the quarter.

John Lovallo
Analyst, Merrill Lynch

Gotcha. Thanks very much, guys.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Thank you, John.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Scott Stember with Sidoti & Company.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Hi, Scott.

Scott Stember
Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Hey, how are you?

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Good.

Scott Stember
Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Jay, this question's for you. You know, going back when you got the exclusive Allstate contract, there was some margin compression right out of the gate, just given the reset on pricing on existing business. Can you maybe talk about the potential impact on that, on the Nationwide contract in the quarters coming up?

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Well, that should be past us now. I mean, that happened in Q3 and Q4 with Nationwide because we, you know, you obviously, you adjust on price, and then you start handling additional volume. You've got the cost of increased receivable as you're picking up vehicles and not selling them. As Will stated in the call, I didn't comment on it because he covered it pretty clearly that Q1 we will achieve by the end of the quarter a full run rate. Q2 we'll be at, what we believe, a full run rate for that Nationwide agreement. We're handling additional cars now, so that should be past us as far as the compression. That's in Q3 and Q4.

Scott Stember
Analyst, Sidoti & Company

All right, great. Maybe just, you know, looking out, I know that, there's a couple larger players in the industry and large contracts have gone back and forth, but can you talk about, the future of, you know, gaining, additional business, from a large contract again?

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Well, Buddy, if a ball, I'd share it with you. I just those are just things you just don't know. You know, we're working really hard over on this end, and we fully believe in our team and our technology and our people's ability to deliver. We're passionate about what we do. I think people that meet us figure that out pretty quickly. You know, Copart is gonna be around for a long time. We're not interested in doing something differently. This is what we do. This is what we love. Hopefully, over time, that'll generate additional business. That's just a big, you know, that's just a big unknown. You never know.

Scott Stember
Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Okay. Just the last question, maybe just touch base on Copart Direct, you know, trends that you're seeing there and the potential going forward?

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Yeah, trending up. We've, we've employed some new process on Copart Direct that is causing that to trend up, and we believe that will trend up even further. That is part of the CDS business. It's part of the TPA business. It's part of the charity business. That is all considered non-insurance volume. It is trending up, it's helping us maintain that spread even though we're gaining insurance cars.

Scott Stember
Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Gotcha. That's all I have for now. Thank you.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

All right. Thanks, Buddy.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Craig Kennison with Robert W. Baird.

Craig Kennison
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions as well. Will, I'll start with you. The Nationwide ramp, I appreciate the color you provided. Can you give us a sense for what percentage of the volume you had this quarter and what percent you might have next quarter before you're fully ramped in Q2?

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

Percentage of what volume?

Craig Kennison
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Percentage of your expected total Nationwide volume.

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

Oh, no, I really can't. We're seeing the increase like we said in the assignments. I think the only color that we'll provide is what we've already said, is that by the exit of our first quarter, which is October, we expect to be at full run rate. There'll be some incremental benefit in our second quarter. Right now I'm not going to express in terms of percentage .

Craig Kennison
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Okay. Fair enough. Then, Will, also with you, with Hurricane Isaac, any material impact at all on volume or your cost structure?

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things that affect our volume. You know, weather was not detrimental this quarter like it was last quarter. Remember, we sell a lot of cars throughout the nation, bad weather in one area doesn't necessarily indicate an expected increase in volume or nationwide. While we did have some benefit, it's not, it's not something we'd call out specifically.

Craig Kennison
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Thank you. Jay, as you think about some of the international market opportunities you have, to what extent do you need to rely on your insurance partners to pull you into a market, versus you choosing to get there and pulling your partners in?

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

That's actually a great question, Craig, because, I mean, you hit on a really important point there. If there's an opportunity to acquire an existing company in the market, we'll do that. If there isn't and we have to start up in that market, maybe convert the market over to our model, that relationship and relying on partners is paramount. You know, the good news is we've got really good relationships with our customers. We've got their interests set as our number one priority. You know, the only reason that we would invest in a market and spend capital on a market is because they believe, and we believe that there's an opportunity to improve the returns in that market and go in and give it a shot.

We fully expect that, you know, in the years ahead, that'll happen. There will be some where we're not going to be able to open up or to acquire existing locations. When that's the case, we'll go in and provide our services from, you know, from a startup position, which, by the way, we've, you know, we've opened up, you know, well over 30 locations across the country as startups and relied on existing customer relationships. We know how to do that part of it.

Craig Kennison
Analyst, Robert W. Baird

Great. Thanks. I'll quit while I'm ahead. Thanks.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Thanks, Craig.

Operator

Thank you. We'll go next to Bret Jordan with BB&T Capital Markets.

Bret Jordan
Analyst, BB&T Capital Markets

Hey, good morning.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Good morning. How are you doing?

Bret Jordan
Analyst, BB&T Capital Markets

Couple of quick questions. I guess to put the UAE in perspective, it was the second-largest foreign market. What kind of volume was being done in the UAE? I guess to some extent, as we look at the incremental SG&A contribution this quarter, is that inflated because of transaction costs getting into that market? Does it moderate going forward into 2013?

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

It's not just that market. We've got costs right now associated with international expansion in a number of markets that we've been carrying out for over a year. Part of it is UAE in the quarter, but it's not all UAE.

Bret Jordan
Analyst, BB&T Capital Markets

Okay.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

You know, we've never made it a habit of breaking out units on a per market basis, so we won't start doing something different we've done in the past. As we said, it's the number two market internationally for us, so it's a big deal to be in that market.

Bret Jordan
Analyst, BB&T Capital Markets

Okay. I guess if you look at the UAE sort of shovel in the ground outside North America, does that preclude you from moving to other non-North American markets in the nearer term? I mean, is Brazil sort of still on a concept stage, or do we sit back and work on the UAE for a while before doing anything else?

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

No, I won't speak specifically to any other particular market, but, you know, they're all open right now. It doesn't preclude us from going into other markets.

Bret Jordan
Analyst, BB&T Capital Markets

Okay. I guess, and on scrap pricing outlook into the early winter months here, just sort of big picture stuff maybe that, Will.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Was that for Will? Sorry.

Bret Jordan
Analyst, BB&T Capital Markets

It's either one of you. Whoever's got better, whoever's got the better crystal ball.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Go ahead, Will.

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

Yeah, no, I don't have any information other than the market. You can look at commodity futures, and I agree with whatever they say.

Bret Jordan
Analyst, BB&T Capital Markets

Okay. Yeah.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

You know, Bret, I speak to the smartest buyers out there, and I know nothing right now about commodity pricing. It is absolutely impossible to figure out where it's headed. I mean, we talk to our friends out there, and they're like, "I have no idea.

Bret Jordan
Analyst, BB&T Capital Markets

Okay. I guess one last question, this is on the Project Overdrive. You talked about $1.2 million of cost below the line. Was there anything still left in the quarter on SG&A related to that conversion that rolls off? I mean, is there anything above the line that was extraordinary this quarter?

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

No, I think we called out the ones that we consider incremental.

Bret Jordan
Analyst, BB&T Capital Markets

Yeah. All right.

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

That will go away in the future.

Bret Jordan
Analyst, BB&T Capital Markets

All right, great. Thanks.

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

Welcome.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Bill Armstrong with C.L. King & Associates.

Bill Armstrong
Analyst, CL King & Associates

Good morning, Jay and Will. I guess, most of my questions would be for Will. On the SG&A, you had $2.4 million of international and ERP system costs. Were there any costs from the headquarters move during the quarter?

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

Not meaningful. Not meaningful.

Bill Armstrong
Analyst, CL King & Associates

Okay.

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

We stopped calling those out. I mean, it's in the low hundreds of thousands of dollars. The $2.4 is specifically for the ERP system and does not include anything for international because those costs will continue.

Bill Armstrong
Analyst, CL King & Associates

I see. Okay. You might have said this in your opening comments, and I might have missed it, but what were the average selling price trends for insurance during the quarter compared with the Up, down, flat?

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

Yeah. Well, they were down moderately.

Bill Armstrong
Analyst, CL King & Associates

Okay.

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

I mean, you can look at used car pricing, commodity pricing, and that will be a fairly good indicator of where our ASPs are heading on a segment-by-segment basis. That ignores the impact of mix. As we enter into more of the used car redistribution market, our overall ASPs are enhanced.

Bill Armstrong
Analyst, CL King & Associates

Right. Okay, finally, it looks like you have done somewhat of a restatement in your breakout between service revenues and vehicle sales. Wondering if you could just walk us through that?

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

Sure. There's certain revenue. It's not a big number. It's $2 million or $3 million a quarter of revenue that as we reviewed it, we thought was more appropriate to be reflected as purchased car sales. It has to do with scrapped cars and dismantled cars and parts car sales in the U.K.

Bill Armstrong
Analyst, CL King & Associates

Okay, these are U.K. vehicles.

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

Yes.

Bill Armstrong
Analyst, CL King & Associates

Okay.

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

It's not the whole cars. It's the parts and the crushed cars in the U.K.

Bill Armstrong
Analyst, CL King & Associates

Got it. Okay. All right, that's all I had. Thank you.

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

Thank you, Bill.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Thanks, Bill.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, that is star then one if you would like to ask a question. We'll go next to Edward Hemmelgarn with Shaker Investments.

Edward Hemmelgarn
Analyst, Shaker Investments

Yeah, Will, this is a question for you. Just, do you expect any beneficial impact in terms of, over the next year or two of a reduced tax rate from the move of the corporate headquarters to Texas from California?

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

No, I don't. I think we're about as efficient as you can be on the state tax side. I think there are some benefits that we'll as we expand internationally and develop more of our revenue outside of the United States. I'm certainly not at a position to quantify that going forward. I think using a 34.5% rate is probably appropriate for modeling purposes at this point.

Edward Hemmelgarn
Analyst, Shaker Investments

Okay, great. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we have no further questions.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

All right. Thanks, Casey. Appreciate everyone coming on the call. We look forward to reporting the first quarter to you very soon. Again, thanks for being on the call. Will, I'm gonna give you a ring at the end of this call, okay?

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

Bye, Jay.

Jay Adair
CEO, Copart

Thanks, guys. Bye.

Will Franklin
CFO, Copart

Thank you. Goodbye.

Operator

Thank you.

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