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Earnings Call: Q3 2014

Oct 30, 2014

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the CoStar Group third quarter earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we'll conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will be given at that time. If you should require assistance during the call, press star and then zero. As a reminder, the conference is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the conference over to our host, Head of Investor Relations, Mr. Richard Simonelli. Please go ahead, sir.

Richard Simonelli
Head of Investor Relations, CoStar Group

Thank you very much, operator. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the CoStar Group's third quarter 2014 conference call. Thanks for joining us. Before I turn the call over to Andy, I have some really important facts for you that I believe you will find quite informative. First, certain portions of this discussion containing forward-looking statements, which involve many risks and uncertainties that can cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. Important factors that can cause actual results to differ include, but are not limited to, those stated in our October 29, 2014, press release on third quarter results, and in our filings with the SEC, including our Form 10-Q for the period ended June 30, 2014, under the heading Risk Factors.

All forward-looking statements are based on information available to CoStar at the time of this call, and we assume no obligation to update these statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. As a reminder, today's call is being broadcast live and in color over the internet at www.costargroup.com, where you can also find CoStar's investor relations page. A replay will be available approximately one hour after this call concludes and will be available for approximately 30 days. To listen to the replay, call 800-475-6701 within the U.S. or Canada or 320-365-3844 outside the United States. The access code is 338195, and the replay will be available on our website soon after the call concludes.

As a reminder, in order to give everybody a chance to ask a question on the call, we will limit you to one question at first, make it a good one. You can rejoin the queue for additional questions, and we'll take as many questions as we can as time permits. I'll now turn the call over to Andy Florance. Andy?

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Richard, I can't thank you enough. Welcome, and thank you for joining us. I'm pleased to report strong financial results in the third quarter of 2014. The investments we are making in our business are paying off, and I believe that they will continue to drive top and bottom-line growth for many years to come. Our revenue exceeded $153 million compared to $112 million in the third quarter of 2013, up 36% year-over-year. Adjusted EBITDA reached $51.8 million for the quarter. We have communicated that one of our primary intermediate goals is to reach $1 billion in revenue with a 40% margin by 2018. We feel that crossing a $600 million revenue run rate, along with a $200 million adjusted EBITDA run rate is encouraging progress towards that important goal.

EBITDA grew to $44 million in the third quarter of 2014 compared to $30 million in the third quarter of 2013. Non-GAAP earnings per share grew to $0.87 per share in the same period. Our annual subscription business continues to enjoy a high trailing 12-month renewal rate of 92%, with 98% renewal for those customers with us five years or longer. Before we get into the main part of the call, I just want to give you an update on what we see out in the commercial real estate markets right now. Market fundamentals continue to improve as a new peak in total employment fuels a real need for space. The recovery in the office, industrial, and retail property types has broadly supported growth in occupancy, rents, and values. Capital continues to be very attracted to real estate, with sales up to 8% above last year's elevated levels.

Additional capital is now driving ramped-up office, industrial, and multifamily construction. Demand for U.S. real estate remains healthy, and our assessment is that 2015 should continue to be a positive year for real estate demand. Liquidity is strong, and trading volume well above historical averages and nearly back to 2007 peaks. The apartment sector is seeing an increase in supply and solid apartment market demand, which is being fueled by low homeownership rates, more people living alone, and limited first-time home buying. Apartment vacancy of 4.1% was up only 10 basis points from 4% record low one year earlier. Net absorption of units is 153,000 annually, which is very close to the 10-year historical average. Construction deliveries have totaled 169,000 units over the past year. That's 21% higher than a year ago and more than three times the 2011 level.

The fundamentals are strong, without a doubt, I do worry as to whether or not a bit of a bubble is forming. Cap rates are at all-time lows, and prices per unit are all-time highs. I see more and more deals with cap rates that I would never have thought conceivable in my many years of observing these things. I'm not overly concerned that a potential market adjustment would have a significant negative impact on CoStar, because demands for our products grow for many segments in downturns. Also, there's no immediate sign of anything but clear strength. I do have to congratulate our team at CoStar Portfolio Strategy, Hans and the whole crew, because they so loudly and clearly advised their clients to invest aggressively in multifamily starting back in 2009. That was some good advice to take for sure.

In the office sector, market fundamentals continue to improve in the third quarter. The national major markets average vacancy rate is close to both 2005 levels and long-term averages. Positive net absorption was solid, with 23 million square feet in the past quarter and 77 million square feet over the past year. At this point, roughly a third of the major national office markets have significant levels of construction. Retail is continuing a slow and steady recovery. Retailers are still opening stores, which is great news for a CoStar Real Estate Manager. Retail net absorption hit 19 million square feet in the third quarter, the highest quarterly demand growth since 2008. For industrial, market vacancy and construction are so low that they may be constraining net absorption. That's driving up rents. Now let's turn to our most recent acquisition.

In the two quarters since we acquired Apartments.com, we've made significant improvements to the website, which have resulted in more visits and more leads. We rejuvenated the entire look of the site, giving it a cleaner interface and vastly improving the user experience for the apartment consumer. We added a powerful new map-based search tool that consumers love. We eliminated excess inventory banner ads that clutter up the site. While we gave up several million dollars in revenue from these ads, we believe that we can more than make up for it in additional apartment listing sales on a more professional and cleaner-looking website. Our clients have responded positively, saying that their listing ads are now the clear focal point of the pages and are presented much more professionally. We have been adding professionally produced video tours for advertised properties.

We want our clients and consumers to have the best user experience on the web in the apartment industry. We have made significant investments in SEM and used our experience from LoopNet to improve SEO. These efforts have contributed to significant increases in site traffic and leads. We believe that the total site visits is the most important measure of a site's consumer traffic and is the most reliable measure of lead generation for advertisers. According to Comscore, with which I assume all of you are familiar, we are now number one in total visits among apartment internet listing services. When we acquired Apartments.com, we were not. We are thrilled to have achieved this site leadership role within just six months of closing the acquisition. I believe that our growth in site traffic has come at the expense of many of the sites we compete with.

The most recent Comscore traffic numbers available are for the close of September. Year-to-date through September, Comscore reports Apartments.com total monthly unique visits have climbed 39%, and visits for our second site, Apartment Home Living, have risen 15%. Comparing the month of January to the month of September 2014, we climbed 39% at Apartments.com. That's great news for us. Our competitors' visits, competitors who currently enjoy hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue we don't have, went southward. According to Comscore, total monthly site visits to ApartmentGuide.com fell 9%. Its sister site, ForRent.com, fell 12% this year through September. ApartmentFinder.com website visits really fell dramatically this year, losing 52% of their monthly site traffic year-to-date, comparing January to September. ForRent.com also turned in a weak performance, losing 30% of their total monthly site visits year-to-date.

MyNewPlace.com lost 38% of their total monthly site visits comparing January to September, most recent month. HotPads.com lost 11%. Again, all these numbers are based upon the work of an independent third-party site measurement service, Comscore. Again, to clarify, the 39% growth in monthly site visits and decline numbers for our competitors are looking at September 2014 visits, comparing them to January 2014 visits. However, as you look at these curves and trends, it basically is a good and accurate representation of what's occurring. Our increased traffic has resulted in large increases in leads to our clients, which are up 24% in the third quarter of 2014 year-over-year, a fantastic increase. In the past several months, we've signed up near-record numbers of new apartment communities.

In 2012, Apartments.com sold an average of 264 new communities each month, in 2013, sold an average of 276 new communities each month. In August 2014, we sold dramatically more, with 455 new properties. In September 2014, we sold 497 new properties. We believe that we can cross 500 new properties as the month closes. Is it today, Brian, or tomorrow?

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Tomorrow.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Tomorrow. I'd ask the Apartments.com salespeople not to get involved in any Halloween parties, just hit a new record. Many of these properties we are signing up were advertising on competing sites before signing on to Apartments.com. Sylvania Gardens in Philadelphia, River Bluff in Lexington, and Marchmont Terrace in Cleveland were all advertising on Apartment Guide, They're now advertising on Apartments.com. We are taking advantage of our superior site traffic and dramatic lead growth and seizing the green. In April of this year, when we acquired Apartments.com, their revenues had grown 9.6% year-over-year in the prior year. That growth has now almost doubled to 18% year-over-year. The Apartments.com sales force is delivering very solid results. Congratulations to Brad and his team.

We are very satisfied with the progress we have made, Similar to our experience with LoopNet, we believe we will continue to drive markedly improved post-acquisition results. In just 30 months since the close of the LoopNet acquisition, we have achieved nearly $80 million of cross-selling revenue. When added to the over $20 million in cost synergies, we have moved above the $100 million mark in total synergies. We believe we will continue to have significant upside from the LoopNet cross-selling opportunity for many years to come. I think it is worth noting, over the past six consecutive quarters, we've experienced double-digit year-over-year increases in the average revenue per user for the LoopNet Premium membership, while also dramatically increasing the number of paid listings by 67% since the close of the acquisition to we're now running over 50% of all the listings being paid.

When added to successfully selling annual subscription contracts and dramatically increasing unique monthly visitors, we are very pleased with our success in the online marketplace space. The LoopNet marketplace had 45.3 million profile views in the third quarter. That's 45 million profile views in the third quarter of 2014, and that is up 15% year-over-year. LoopNet also reached an all-time high in unique monthly visitors with 5.5 million in the third quarter of 2014, up 55% since the second quarter of 2012, when we acquired the business. LoopNet marketplace revenue for the third quarter 2014 grew 20% over the third quarter of 2013. Average revenue per LoopNet customer continues to improve. Average revenue per premium member climbed 18% to $90.28 in the third quarter of 2014, compared to $76.60 last year. It's almost like college tuition.

Average revenue per Premium Lister grew 13% year-over-year to $104.41 in the third quarter of 2014. When we first acquired LoopNet, we communicated that our strategy would be to eventually position the LoopNet marketplace as the premier marketing site for commercial real estate, where all listings would be paid, and it would be free to search the site. Additionally, CoStar is positioned as the pay-to-search premium information solution for commercial real estate professionals. We have made significant progress in repositioning these two sites into these respective roles. We've converted thousands of brokers who were using LoopNet Premium Searcher, LoopNet's information service, into CoStar subscribers. Nonetheless, we still have approximately 34,000 users paying approximately $40 million annually for LoopNet as an information service. The revenue in this area continues to grow due to price increases as the user base contracts slightly.

Premium Searcher competes against both LoopNet Premium Lister and CoStar Property. It's a substitution effect between all three of these products. Sort of overlapping value propositions. We believe that our clients would get significantly more value from one higher-quality, consolidated information solution. Clients using CoStar as an information tool have dramatically higher renewal rates for CoStar than they do for LoopNet Premium Searcher, and they get more value from it, apparently, because they're willing to pay significantly more for CoStar Property and the CoStar Suite. Given the significant cost associated with maintaining similar products, we believe that it would be much more efficient to eventually offer only one information product, and eventually might come sooner rather than later. We are carefully studying eliminating Premium Searcher and other LoopNet information products entirely, with the intention of migrating commercial real estate professionals to CoStar Information Services as quickly as possible.

If we discontinue these LoopNet information services, it might take a year or more to do so in a way that does not disrupt our clients. This wind down might have short-term negative impact on revenue and earnings, but we believe that this will ultimately lead to significantly higher revenue and earnings in the long term. In fact, in the intermediate term, measured in a sub two-year period. We stopped selling LoopNet Premium Searcher as an automatic part of new LoopNet Premium Lister subscriptions earlier this year, and it has not materially affected the price we achieved for the new Premium Lister subscriptions or the revenue. We have also recently conducted a test in Florida where we stopped selling LoopNet Premium Searcher on our website through the e-commerce engine, and we no longer sell LoopNet Premium Searcher as part of our outbound sales team.

While the test in Florida resulted in lower short-term revenue, we believe the test shows that we can achieve much higher revenue over an 18-month or longer period by migrating clients to one information product, perhaps as much as twice as much. Our investment in hiring dozens of new sales people in the latter part of 2013 was slightly disruptive, but we still grew the business by adding over $45 million of annualized net new sales in the first three quarters of 2014. In the third quarter of 2014, we began to see this investment accelerate sales growth as we expected it would. Annualized net new sales from annual contracts were $15.4 million, which represents an increase of 12% over the third quarter of 2013. Annualized net new sales of services from the CoStar core business were up 25% in the third quarter year-over-year.

As our sales force gains more experience, I suspect that we will continue to see increases in annualized net new sales of annual subscription business. We anticipate continuing to grow our sales force into 2015 as we expand our focus on selling to firms involved in commercial real estate debt and equity investments, and as we grow our Apartments.com footprint. Moving on to the U.K. and the work that Giles and his team is doing. Revenue and earnings growth continue to be strong since we introduced CoStar Suite in the late 2012 time period. Revenue grew 22% in the first nine months of 2014 compared to the same period last year. Thank you, Matthew. We also achieved a $1.9 million EBITDA in the first nine months of 2014, compared to $3.9 million EBITDA loss in the same period in 2013. A very strong and dramatic swing in profitability.

In the third quarter of 2014, we had the highest-ever revenues in the U.K. The five highest net sales months for the U.K. have occurred in the past 16 months, including September 2014. This has been largely due to the continued success of selling CoStar Suite. Contract values have increased an average of 35% as clients migrate to CoStar Suite from our legacy FOCUS service offering. We have now sold or converted over 650 clients to the new platform, with only 590 FOCUS clients yet to migrate. Margins continue to strengthen as we proactively wind down the lower margin legacy services, and we look to eventually discontinue them completely in the not-too-distant future. I'm very pleased with our success in the U.K., as this remarkable turnaround demonstrates the power of CoStar Information Services outside the U.S.

One important area that is one of our intermediate term strong potential growth areas is our businesses for sale websites. We operate BizBuySell.com, the internet's largest business for sale marketplace, and BizQuest, the second. We recently announced our ranking as the clear industry leader in terms of usage, buyer responses generated, and overall satisfaction, according to the Business Brokerage Press 2014 industry survey of hundreds of business brokers across the nation. BizBuySell continues to be the most commonly used business for sale marketplace, with 82% of surveyed business brokers saying they use BizBuySell to market their businesses for sale listings. This is the eighth straight Business Brokerage Press survey that BizBuySell.com has taken the top spot. Our second site, BizQuest, was second with 67% of the brokers using the site to market businesses for sale. All other national listing exchanges were used by less than 50% of business brokers.

These sites are important to us because often business brokers are also commercial real estate brokers. Surveyed brokers again credited bizbuysell.com for generating the highest percentage of buyer responses, reporting that 39% of total buyer responses received are from BizBuySell. BizQuest.com was second with 13% of buyer responses. Together, BizBuySell and BizQuest were reported to account for more buyer responses than all other competing listing sites combined in the survey. Revenue from these sites grew 13% year-over-year, and EBITDA from these sites grew 40% year-over-year. Turning to Toronto, we're seeing very strong early sales success in Toronto with our launch of CoStar Information and Analytics Services earlier this year. The rate of growth into the industry, we believe, far exceeds the rate of growth of any of our competitors and is above our historical benchmarks.

When we first got to Toronto, many firms asked us what took us so long to get there. Now, many of them have told us they would like to buy more from us if we would expand our coverage to the rest of Canada. As a result, we're listening to that feedback and we're responding, and we've begun hiring researchers to cover Vancouver, Montreal, Ottawa, Edmonton, and Calgary. This is a natural extension of what we're already doing and provides an opportunity for us to penetrate the entire Canadian marketplace. We believe that the overall Canadian market represents $hundreds of millions of opportunity for CoStar. You may have heard that recently Forbes magazine recognized CoStar Group as one of the world's most innovative growth companies. We were ranked number 27 on the list of the top 100 innovative companies in the world.

CoStar also placed in the top 10 among Forbes top software and service companies. Our team is extremely proud to be honored by Forbes, and I believe that is a testament to the innovating spirit of the people of CoStar. I can tell you that our team works extremely hard, innovates continuously, works Sunday, and is committed to excellence. Our product designers, our subject matter experts, our developers, economists, researchers, and many others have been justifiably recognized as leading innovators on a worldwide stage. We continue to look for more ways to enable our clients to unlock the value of our superior information and marketing offerings and our large and active communities. During the past four quarters, we've been investing in, and we're hard at work on many technology initiatives for the flagship CoStar Suite. We have developed and rolled out six releases to CoStar Suite throughout 2014.

These releases include a Canadian version of CoStar, a U.K. version of Lease Analysis, responsive design, tighter integration between our web CoStar and our mobile product, CoStar Go, a more robust presentation of information in CoStar, and a U.K. reporting module. One of the most significant releases we believe that we will complete this year is the integration of CoStar Portfolio Strategy into CoStar Suite, creating a unique and very powerful new product targeted at owners and lenders. One of the biggest stumbling blocks to acquiring institutional customers who wanted to subscribe to both CoStar Suite and CoStar Portfolio Strategy was the user interface. Up until now, users had to access different websites and use different logout procedures for the CoStar Suite and CoStar Portfolio Strategy.

I'd use one site to see the 30,000-foot view of the market, I would use another site to see the street-level view of the market. This new product puts them all together in one system. During the fourth quarter of 2014, we plan to offer a fully integrated website called CoStar Market Analytics with a single sign-on password. This will integrate the granular data analytics of CoStar Suite with the forecast and analytics of CoStar Portfolio Strategy. We believe this will be a boon to clients and allow us to more easily sell to other institutional prospects, owners, lenders on both a local, predominantly local, but also on a national stage. We believe the change will have a significant positive effect on revenue and margins over time, I can't wait to get out and sell the product.

We believe these advances in the CoStar core will allow us to penetrate the U.S. and international markets even more quickly. In particular, we expect to see accelerating sales to owners and lenders. In the first nine months of 2014, CoStar Portfolio Strategy has already generated its highest net new sales since we acquired it in 2009. In order to respond to some of these demands, in order to expand the quality and breadth and coverage of information services we offer to owners, lenders, institutional clients, in order to expand the number of markets we cover in Canada, we've begun to make an investment in hiring more researchers. We've already hired approximately 150 additional researchers so far, we expect to hire a total of approximately 250 to 300 new researchers overall.

To update you briefly on CoStar Real Estate Manager, we've got great positive sales momentum continuing there, it reached its highest-ever monthly net new sales level in September 2014. Significant new customer additions include ABM Industries, Tumi, Godiva, Hanger, Crown Properties, First Citizens Bank. Existing customers also expand their use of CoStar Real Estate Manager modules, including significant additions for Charles Schwab, DaVita Healthcare, and Genuine Parts. We are making significant progress with our development plans to provide powerful CoStar data for our CoStar Real Estate Manager customers, delivering what we believe will be an unmatchable offering in the retail and corporate real estate management software space. The combination of our talented and passionate employees and commitment to innovation is leading to excellent results opening ways for CoStar to capture highly profitable revenue.

We plan to continue to build upon our leadership position to provide an even better platform that will enable our customers and users of our service to benefit. We are making critical investments in all aspects of our business, I see 2015 as a pivotal investment year which will strengthen our platform as we remain intensely focused on our goal of becoming a $1 billion revenue company with 40% plus margins in 2018. I will now turn the call over to Brian Radecki, our Chief Financial Officer.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Wow. Hold on, guys. I need to help Andy get the oxygen tank turned on. Hold on. Here, Andy. Here you go.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Gee, I'm only 90, kid.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

I have a stopwatch in front of me from Rich, so I have to go fast, but the problem is legal keeps extending my script. If I read fast through parts of it, those are the parts that are very repetitive, but apparently very necessary. As Andy mentioned, we're very pleased with our performance in the third quarter of 2014. CoStar Group's organic business continues to show solid top-line growth, and EBITDA margins continue to expand while making great progress integrating Apartments.com. A strong year-to-date performance has created an opportunity for us to further invest in our core proprietary data and information assets. We have begun to do so, and we will continue through to 2015 to accelerate future revenue growth. Starting with CoStar's results in the third quarter 2014, the company reported $153.1 million of revenue, an increase of 36% compared to the third quarter of 2013.

On a pro forma basis, our year-over-year revenue growth accelerated to 13.9% for the third quarter of 2014 versus the pro forma third quarter of 2013, adjusted to include Apartments.com revenue. EBITDA increased to $13.9 million to $43.7 million in the third quarter of 2014, up from $29.8 million or 47% for Q3 last year. We reported adjusted EBITDA of over $50 million, $51.8 million to be exact, for the third quarter of 2014, which is an increase of $14.1 million or approximately 37% compared to the third quarter of last year. Non-GAAP net income for Q3 of 2014 was $27.9 million, or $0.87 per diluted share, which is a 38% increase from the third quarter of 2013. Gross margin was $112.1 million for the quarter, or 73.3% of revenue. This is an increase from 71.8% of revenue in Q3 of 2013, reflecting the continued strength of the business model.

Reconciliations of non-GAAP net income, EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, and all other financial measures discussed on this call and the GAAP basis results shown in detail, along with definitions of those terms in our press release issued yesterday, are available on our website at www.costar.com. If you have any questions, just email jcoleman@costar.com.

Peter Lowry
Analyst, JMP Securities

I see some real love here.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

John's sitting right next to me, if you guys can't figure that out. We had words this morning. Cash investments of $507.3 million as of September 30, 2014, an increase of $40.8 million since June of 2014, which was driven by the largest quarterly cash flow from operations in our history. Short and long-term debt totaled $390 million. Cash investments, along with the undrawn $225 million revolving credit facility, remains available. I'll give some additional color on a few metrics to highlight our strong performance in the third quarter of 2014. As Andy mentioned, we achieved $15.4 million in net new sales of subscription services on annual contracts in the third quarter, an increase of 12.1% over the third quarter of 2013.

We're really pleased to be driving double-digit growth in net new sales again in light of the significant changes we made and initiated in late 2013 and the first half of 2014. We expect to carry good sales momentum into the fourth quarter this year and beyond throughout next year. I should note that we recorded $15.8 million in net new sales and annual contracts in the fourth quarter of last year. This is a strong performance, and it did include one large deal for approximately $1 million of annual contract value. We don't guide or project sales numbers. Internally, we plan to evaluate the sales growth in the fourth quarter, not including the large deal. We have approximately 516 salespeople across the company.

Of that, 220 are U.S. CoStar field reps, which is up from 172 a year ago, and 128 are Apartments.com field sellers, up from 80 at the same time of the acquisition. Additionally, we have 108 inside sales reps across CoStar, Loop, and Apartments, 20 field reps in the U.K., and another 40 across all of our other businesses. Revenue from subscription services on annual contracts was $99.4 million in the third quarter of 2014, or about 65% of total revenue. For the trailing 12 months ended September 30, 2014, subscription revenue from annual contracts was $373.4 million, up 20% from the 12-month period ended September 30 of 2013, reflecting our continued success in growing the annual subscriptions faster than our other revenue streams. The growth in annual subscription revenue has remained at approximately 20% for the past five quarters. This is an important metric for us.

Apartments.com revenue for the third quarter of 2014 was $26 million. Through the end of September, we achieved $6.4 million in rev synergies by expanding the presence in markets that used to be serviced by the newspapers. As Andy mentioned, our sales force did an outstanding job of converting this opportunity into direct revenue more quickly than expected by the end of the third quarter, and this effort is now largely complete. Our previously published revenue guidance ranges and outlook planned for the successful transition of these markets over three or four quarters. Therefore, we're able to seize this opportunity faster than anticipated, which did help contribute to the strong quarterly results. As we move forward, we'll continue to refine the metrics that we've been providing for the businesses as things change and continue to evolve. Now I'll discuss our outlook for the fourth quarter and full year 2014.

Our guidance takes into account recent trends, revenue growth rates, renewal rates, which all may be impacted by economic conditions in the commercial real estate market and overall global economy, among other things. Thank you, John. We do not attempt to predict foreign currency exchange fluctuations. Our guidance assumes little or no volatility at the current rate. Actual results may vary materially from those estimated, and if you can't see that language, just get your magnifying glass. We are providing outlook to reflect our current expectations as of today, October 30, 2014. As I know is a big surprise to everybody, we are raising our revenue and earnings guidance for 2014 based on strong financial performance through the first nine months of 2014.

This increased revenue outlook incorporates our performance to date while also accounts for upcoming seasonality in our LoopNet and Apartment businesses, which are typically down in the fourth quarter compared to the third. For the full year 2014, we now expect revenue in the range of $572 million-$574 million, an increase of $5 million at the midpoint of revenue range compared to our previous guidance. We have already begun to reinvest some of our favorable year-to-date earnings to expand the research efforts to support our owner, institutional investor customer verticals, to support Apartments.com, and to prepare for expansion into Canadian markets in 2015. We are well underway with this research expansion. Thank you, Frank Carletti. As Andy noted, we have over 150 incremental headcount so far, which could expand to 250-300 by next year, which will impact cost of revenues and gross margin.

We expect the impact of the research investment to be $4 million-$5 million, or $0.07-$0.09 of non-GAAP net income per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2014, which will translate to approximately $20 million-$25 million in investment for 2015. For the fourth quarter 2014, we expect non-GAAP net income per diluted share in the range of $0.85-$0.89 based on 32.2 million shares. We are making these investments now, which we believe will drive increased revenue and earnings in 2016, 2017, and 2018, obviously helping us get to our goals. We now expect non-GAAP net income per diluted share in the range of $3.22-$3.26 based on 30.6 million of diluted shares, an increase of approximately $0.16 at the midpoint compared to the previous published range.

This is really a testament to the strength of our business model that we're able to absorb the increased level of investments and still raise our guidance range for the fourth quarter and full year of 2014. As discussed with Andy earlier, we are evaluating whether to migrate the LoopNet marketplace to a pure marketing site where it would be entirely free to search, similar to the test we have already been running in Florida for the past month or so, which has had a small revenue impact. The current annual revenue for LoopNet's Premium Searcher and information service is approximately $40 million annually, which consists mostly of monthly contracts.

We expect a conversion of the LoopNet marketplace model throughout 2015 to reduce revenue and earnings in the short term, could be approximately $10 million-$15 million, primarily in the first half of 2015, but we remain very confident that these actions will be accretive over time as we expect to convert many of these clients to higher value, more profitable annual subscriptions. Essentially, we believe this is a timing and transition process. We're still in the process of building out our detailed budget and operating plan for next year at a high level, but I expect revenue trends to be impacted by the repositioning of LoopNet, as well as the full-year impact of our decision to discontinue some non-core services at Apartments, which we've discussed. We believe the full-year impact of Apartments revenue compared in 2015 will be in the $4 million-$5 million range.

Obviously, at this point in our budget process, which has really just begun, I'm not yet in a place to publish an external guidance range. When I look at the current published consensus estimates of approximately $670 million, I don't believe people have factored both of these items into their model, which I plan to in my model. Essentially combines about $14 million-$20 million of lower LoopNet and Apartments revenue in 2015, quote unquote, in the short term, as we eliminate and reposition certain services, which we believe will ultimately lead to higher revenue in 2016, 2017, 2018, quote unquote, in the longer term. While we are still working through our strategy for repositioning of LoopNet and the financial impact may change, hopefully this gives people something to model until I give out a more detailed 2015 guidance in our next earnings call.

I'd also like to make a couple comments about the quarterly timing as we approach the end of the year. As those of you who have followed CoStar for a long time know, our earnings are almost always seasonally down in Q1 compared to Q4. I look back 10 years and only twice in that period did the earnings increase sequentially in the first quarter. I don't expect 2015 to be any different. I think in Q1 they'll be down. Our new research investments will continue and could expand in Q1. Also, in addition to normal items in Q1 like we do pay raise increases for the entire company, we seasonally have higher payroll taxes, and we have our annual sales conference. Those of you looking ahead should assume a drop in Q1 of earnings of approximately $0.06-$0.09 in the fourth quarter.

This is essentially mechanical, it's what happens every year. In summary, I'm very pleased with CoStar's financial performance for the third quarter of 2014. Our strong cash flow profile is allowing us to continue to invest and grow earnings at the same time. While we finish up the 2014 and plan out 2015, which is shaping up to be an investment year, we continue to believe that the consolidated company is operating in a market of $6 billion-$7 billion revenue opportunity potential, that the investments we're making in our core research and sales functions will drive accelerated revenue growth and margin expansion in 2016, 2017, and 2018. I remain confident we can deliver the low- to mid-teens revenue growth rates for many years to come needed to achieve our long-term goal of $1 billion in annualized sales in 2018 at a 40-plus% adjusted EBITDA margin.

As always, I look forward to sharing that progress with you to these goals in the coming quarters. Now I'll open it up for questions. 12 minutes.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question, press * then 1 on your touch-tone phone. You'll hear a tone indicating you've been placed into the queue. You can remove yourself from the queue by pressing the # key. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up the handset before pressing the numbers. Once again, for questions, press * then 1 at this time. Our first question from the line of Andre Benjamin with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Yeah, Andre.

Andre Benjamin
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

First question is regarding the organic growth. Is there a way that you could potentially break that out versus the acquisitions growth for Apartments this quarter? Similarly, if you could slice it one more way, maybe the growth for the entire core platform, excluding both LoopNet and Apartments, just so we can understand how those three buckets are growing.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Yeah. I think I basically gave people the exact number. If you included a pro forma Apartments year-over-year, it was 13.9%. Apartments was growing when we bought them at about 10%. Now it's growing at 18%. That's probably higher than normal because some of the conversions that we talked about. I think in general, the entire business is sort of growing in that 12%, 13%, 14%, 15% range with some pieces growing higher and some pieces growing lower than others.

Andre Benjamin
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks. On the incremental investment spending that you talked about, I know you don't have guidance yet, how should we think about that spend plus the existing costs, both fixed and variable, in terms of margins? Again, I know you call out a couple individual line items, just directionally, should we be thinking flattish margins up or down, just directionally?

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Sure, yeah. I think you can calculate it. Essentially, the $20 million-$25 million is all going to be your cost of sales. Obviously, you can look at sort of what run rate, where we're at this year, and if you add that for next year, I didn't calculate it, but it's probably a couple percent on gross margin. Again, once you ramp up the headcount, you'll have basically a suppressing of margins for two or three quarters as we ramp up headcount, and then they should continue to grow again after that. We've already begun that process, I think we already have 150 people here, and that's really been within the last three or four weeks. You'll see that impact in the fourth quarter gross margins.

Then it will continue into the first quarter and probably a little bit into the second quarter, as we basically fully ramp up the hiring. I would expect pressure on the gross margin line for two quarters, possibly three. Then I think it goes back to sort of, as you looked at it prior at a growing, whatever it was growing up percent or so a quarter.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

We're also considering some incremental marketing investments to look at the mix that we're addressing. These are all different factors that give you that sort of result.

Andre Benjamin
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you.

Operator

We'll go next to Andrew Jeffrey with SunTrust. Please go ahead.

Andrew Jeffrey
Analyst, SunTrust

Good morning, guys. Thanks for-

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Good morning, Andrew.

Andrew Jeffrey
Analyst, SunTrust

-taking the question. Brian-

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Thank you for having a question.

Andrew Jeffrey
Analyst, SunTrust

Brian, I think you've redefined fast-talking. I'm pretty impressed stuff.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Thank you.

Andrew Jeffrey
Analyst, SunTrust

Hey, when I look at kind of forgetting the ins and outs and the timing of some of the investments you're making and some of the product transitions that you're talking about, Andy, you talked about this sales force productivity platform combined with new products and a combination of CoStar Suite and analytics, I guess. When I think about the sales force productivity, which is ramping, and the power of a single sign-on, as we move past this sort of product Suite transition that's taking place at LoopNet and Apartments, and you think about the sales force becoming more productive, is it reasonable to think that as we head into 2016, perhaps the organic revenue growth could even accelerate beyond the mid-teens level that you're seeing today, sort of despite these moving pieces?

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Oh, sure. I feel very good about all these pieces coming together. Obviously, they're coming together in a pretty large scale, but there is a very nice dovetail between debt and equity, Apartments.com products, both in marketing and information, and the traditional business. One of the nice things about Apartments.com is it's given us additional scale in order to justify a deeper, stronger footprint at the local level. It gives us additional relationships into people that may own a series of apartment buildings in Richmond, Virginia, but they also own some office buildings or some recent retail properties. It's just increasing the scale of our distribution channel, and they're all interconnected. A very little of it's disconnected.

In particular, when you look at things like the LoopNet customer base for information was historically stronger in areas where we didn't have as much scale, and we didn't have as active a field sales force. With the merger with Apartments.com, we are building a much stronger combined sales force down into tertiary markets and secondary markets in the United States, which are still huge markets. It's a lot of work to put these pieces together, and you do get some frictional bumps here and there as you do it. It looks very positive for the story that we hope we'll be able to communicate in 2015 will be directionally clear that it could lead to something more impressive than the teens.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Just to add on to that, clearly there's a lot of moving pieces in 2015. It's an investment year and sort of a pivotal year with a lot of pieces moving. I think we both believe 2016 growth rates can be higher. The only thing I would just caution everybody on, and I hate to always be the guy to say it, is that we plan on growing and accelerating growth and through the sales force and all the initiatives that we're doing. Remember, you lose about 1.5%-2% every year at the size that we're at. We 100% have to generate more and more dollars from all these products and services in order to continue to maintain and be in that 12%, 13%, 14%, 15% range. I agree with what Andy said.

I just want to add that there's a mechanical modeling thing that you have to just be aware of.

Andrew Jeffrey
Analyst, SunTrust

Are there any sales force sort of characteristics, individual salesperson characteristics or skill sets that you think you need as the business transitions that you don't have already in-house?

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Well, for sure. The people we've got, as we grow, there are a number of very diverse roles within our sales force. In Washington, D.C., you've got farmers for dealing with our major market customers. We have 150 customers represent a disproportionate amount of our revenue in Washington. As farmer customers, their ability to maintain those relationships. We have debt and equity farmers, debt and equity hunters. We've got

Now we've got the general sales force dealing with the core of the business and then Apartments.com farmers and Apartments.com hunters and management levels in there. We are able to find lots of good homes for the salespeople we've got. The kinds of things we're looking to probably build out are management roles with that sort of thing we love to find where someone is good at selling lead generation and information or at marketing and information. The good news is that over 100 of our traditionally information-focused salespeople on the CoStar side have proven their ability to sell significant amounts of advertising revenue in the past year. We're getting a sales force now that can really be multifunction, play multiple roles, bat left or bat right. It's an important thing. We're definitely tweaking it, structuring it, and looking for some new slots.

We're very happy with the core we have.

Andrew Jeffrey
Analyst, SunTrust

Great. Thank you very much.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Yep. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, please limit yourself to one question. If you have additional questions, you can get back into the queue, and as time permits, we'll take those questions. We'll go next to Sara Gubins with BofA Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

Sara Gubins
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Hi. Thanks. Good morning.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Sure.

Sara Gubins
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

It was a very solid net new sales number. I'm wondering what LoopNet net sales were like during the quarter, given 25% growth in core CoStar.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Yeah. The LoopNet sort of annual contract sales were down a little bit compared to last year. Part of that could be some of the things that we're tweaking. We are tinkering with it and testing various things, which I think we talked about pretty extensively on the call. We are looking to transition the LoopNet to a pure marketing solution. I think that will probably have some impact for the next few quarters. I think overall, very strong quarter overall for the sales group and obviously for the core CoStar.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

We also had minor impact from significantly increasing our credit card security level, which caused some credit card expiration changes and the like in our billing, which had some temporary impacts. It's a net positive because we dramatically increased our security level on credit cards.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

I think, and one more thing that just comes to mind, Sara, which I think we've talked about prior, is that, as you take an entire contract base of $80 or $100 million or whatever it was when we bought it, which there was no annual contracts, and we'll, in the longer term, go through a similar thing with apartments, and you start successfully moving them on the annual contracts. That's a huge deal to have somebody renew on the annual contracts. What that does happen is as you start getting to the bulk of them, where now we're at 40%, 50% of them is you start getting, even at a 90% renewal rate, you start getting those cancels in there, which will affect some of those numbers. Again, I think all positives. I think things are all moving in the right direction.

We're really happy with it, there's two or three things that I think affect it.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Yeah. When you're feeling that things are pretty solid, we are making some choices to do some things that are the right decision for nine months out, are not the right decision for this month.

Sara Gubins
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Great. Thank you.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Thanks, Sara.

Operator

We'll go next to Brandon Dobell with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Brandon Dobell
Analyst, William Blair

Thanks, guys. I guess given where the kind of implied EBITDA for next year would go if we build into the model, the lower revenues like you talked about, Brian, and then the spending. The implication is the ramp exiting 2015 towards the 40% margin is a, I wouldn't call it a vertical, straight up vertical, but it's going to be pretty close to get from where we're going to finish the year to that 40% run rate by the end of 2018. Maybe some color on how we think about your guys' confidence in hitting that ramp or the drivers for what should be I mean, there's going to be incremental margins that probably have to be in the 80s or 90s to get from the exit of 2015 up to 2018, 40% EBITDA margins.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Sure. Yeah. I have a lot of confidence, Brandon, and I think if people want to know.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

That doesn't surprise you, Brandon.

Brandon Dobell
Analyst, William Blair

Not really, no.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

If people want to know why, just look at the past two or three years. It's funny. We talk about dropping $0.70 to $0.80 to the bottom line, for the past two or three years, people keep telling me it's been 100%-110%. I think if you look at the past two or three years, even though 2015's turned out to be an investment year, I think if you look at the ramp the last two or three years, it will show you that you can get there by 2018, I think very confidently. The investments that we're making are core investments in areas where we have so much experience. I've been here going on 18 years. Andy's been doing this 25 years or maybe even longer. He's getting mad because I'm not giving him credit. Okay, 30 years. No, I'm sorry, 40 years.

He was doing this when he was in grade school. Going into Canada obviously is a decision that we made to do, but we've been expanding in the markets time and time again. Look at the success all across the U.S. Look at the success in the U.K. We have tons of models on this. I have an awful lot of confidence because a lot of the investments are going into places that we know and we know very well, and we model very well, and I have a lot of confidence in having the ability I think the core model can drop $0.70 to $0.80 to the bottom line. Obviously, we can tweak levers very easily to make it even higher at different points. I think making the investments in 2015 really sets us up really well for 2016, 2017, and 2018. I feel good.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

We have the ability to clearly communicate what's happening throughout the year in 2015. You've been watching this company for a while, there are multiple cases where you make an incremental investment in some researchers, then you come out of it, everyone's always surprised at that trajectory. For example, when you look at the United Kingdom this quarter, revenue growing 22% in the first nine months of 2014, EBITDA at $1.9 million in the first nine months, compared to negative $3.9 million in the same period in 2013. That's a kind of, after you've made some of those investments, you get this sort of slingshot effect.

Slingshot

coming out of them. The slingshot is exactly what we're going for.

Brandon Dobell
Analyst, William Blair

Okay. Got it. Thanks.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Yep.

Operator

We'll go next.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Pull a rubber band back to fire it out.

Operator

Thanks. We'll go next to Philip Stiller with Citi. Your line is open.

Philip Stiller
Analyst, Citi

Hi, guys. Congrats on the good results.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Thank you, Phil.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Thanks.

Philip Stiller
Analyst, Citi

I guess I wanted to ask about the sales force. Obviously, nice to see the year-over-year comp turn positive here in the third quarter. I know you're not giving guidance on this, and there's a comp issue in the fourth quarter, but maybe, I guess, you could share what your longer-term expectations are for eventual bookings growth once the sales force matures, and also perhaps you could share what the turnover's been, given the amount of hiring you've done over the past 18 months.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Do you have specific turnover numbers?

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

I can do anecdotal.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Yeah.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

I think it's been pretty good. I think it's actually about where we were modeling, somewhat lower. I think for the newer groups, you're in the 30%-40% range. I think the groups that have been there for over a couple of years continues to be in the sub-20s. I don't think from our models, and I know we've talked about this in the past, I think the turnover is pretty consistent to what we were expecting. As far as, we don't really guide on it, but I think we've talked about this. When you hire that many people, it's not that you drop another 150 people in in one month, and then they all mature at one month.

They come in at 20 per class, 15, 20, 25 per class over months and months and months. Therefore they mature over months and months and months, really over a year. If you lose 30%-40% the first shot round, and then you eventually get that next round of 20%, you're sort of backfilling again. It's really a two- or three-year process when you do this. My expectation, and Andy can talk about his expectation, is that obviously you would have solid bookings growth really throughout the year. I don't expect a big spike up or a big spike down. I think it's going to be pretty consistent throughout the year. Andy, I don't know if you want to add to that.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

My impression is that our turnover rates are better than the longer-term averages right now, especially where it matters the most, which is the experienced salespeople. I anticipate getting a significant increase in productivity on the Apartments.com side. I can look at, and you can see that in the unit production numbers I just gave you. When you look at what they were doing last year, what they're doing now, we're seeing a continuous trend of productivity improvement there. I am, again, very excited about being able to build a much stronger, deeper sales force by being able to link up some of the work the apartments folks are doing with what the CoStar folks are doing, and layering in a much stronger debt and equity component. These are. We'll be moving towards some higher dollar sales numbers.

I like those trends, and I think that gives you upward pressure on productivity. Also, as we consider ways to discontinue low-renewal, low-priced information products with lots of buy it for four months, turn it off for a month, buy it for four months, turn it off. When we discontinue those sorts of products and move people into higher value, longer-term products, that would also feed our sales force with a huge volume of highly qualified leads. That also drives productivity up. There's some heavy lifting to do culturally and strategically with merging together these two large sales forces, but I believe that we'll have that done by mid-next year, and they'll be really hitting some high productivity.

Philip Stiller
Analyst, Citi

Okay, great. Thanks, guys.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Thank you.

Operator

We'll go to Brett Huff with Stephens. Please go ahead.

Brett Huff
Analyst, Stephens

Morning, guys.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Morning.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Hey, Brett.

Brett Huff
Analyst, Stephens

Two questions, or actually three quick questions from me. One is, how should we think about your Before you had given kind of a 2016 goal, I think you were calling it. Are we now just using the 2018 goal? Is that the focus at this point?

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

I think after the Apartments.com acquisition, we just sort of set the 2018 goal out there, which everybody can calculate sort of the CAGR, and it's a fairly reasonable CAGR, compound annual growth rate, in the low-to-mid teens between now and then. I think we feel pretty confident about the 2018 goal.

Brett Huff
Analyst, Stephens

Of the spending, at least the way I understood it in the press release last night, was that the $20-$25 would include researchers, Apartments.com spend, and then some more accelerated debt and equity sales folks. It sounds like, based on what I'm hearing today on the call, it sounds like it's mostly researchers, but if there's other stuff in there, can you give us a little sense? Andy, I think maybe you mentioned some advertising. If it's Apartments.com, is it advertising or is it more website work or whatever? Because I think folks are asking us about the level of advertising spend needed for Apartments.com.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

I'll start and then Andy can jump in. The majority of it's research. We're going to add probably 300 researchers so people can calculate that. We're also in Canada to expand across Canada. There's some governmental data sets and some other things that are very expensive that we need to get. I would say the vast majority of that is research. Whether it's research for debt and equity or research in Canada, it sort of spread across all those would be the majority of it.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

There is some increase in sales. It's more filling in infrastructure, and a lot of the debt and equity roles will be filled by existing salespeople who I think will perform fantastically in those roles. It's more filling in management infrastructure, some player-coach roles, and smaller team size and more markets. It might include more field sales offices. It would include some incremental marketing spend, which we're continuing to evaluate right now at the right level is. Software is going up slightly, but we're really doing it with the team that we have with Apartments.com and with existing LoopNet CoStar teams are, I think doing a great job at handling the workload right now and turning in great performance.

Okay.

It gives you a little bit, but that's what we're thinking about it.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Thanks, Brett.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Sure.

Operator

We'll go to Michael Huang with Needham. Please go ahead.

Michael Huang
Analyst, Needham

Thanks so much. Good morning, guys.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Good morning, Michael.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Good morning, Mike.

Michael Huang
Analyst, Needham

Good quarter. Just a question on Apartments.com. Great to see that you've signed up more communities. I was wondering if you could share with us how the size of these communities are comparing with those that were being acquired in the past. Obviously, you've seen some growth in units. I just wanted to find out whether or not they were apples to apples. With respect to kind of progress on selling CoStar information into back into Apartments customer base, was wondering if you could give an update on that. Thanks.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Sure. The accounts we're signing up now are basically identical to the accounts we've been signing up historically, so it feels very similar. They tend to be in communities that are 120 units or larger. In 2015, we're going to expand our efforts to work the whole spectrum from 20 units plus with some various product offerings. It feels very similar in apples to apples. There is progress occurring on selling information into the Apartments.com audience. It does seem like every single meeting I have with any prospective client for Apartments.com advertising turns the conversation to information pretty quickly.

There seems to be clear demand from my experience, and I've actually gone into some small apartment owner developers in some small cities, and I keep running into the fact that someone else in the office has just bought CoStar property, and I was there to see them about apartment.com. It appears to be working. Frankly, what we're doing is we're lining up a significant launch effort in the first part of next year. We're trying to sort through a concerted push with some significant improvements to CoStar property in 2015. I'm holding off pushing the sales force aggressively into that space until the first quarter, until we can give them a couple more tools in the toolkit and get them fired up about it.

Michael Huang
Analyst, Needham

Awesome. Great. Thanks, guys.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Thanks, Mike.

Operator

We'll go to Peter Lowry with JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Peter Lowry
Analyst, JMP Securities

Oh, great. Thank you. Hey, congratulations on a very nice quarter.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Thank you.

Peter Lowry
Analyst, JMP Securities

One quick question. Have your outlook and expectations for the performance of the debt equity team increased since last quarter, or are they just meeting high expectations?

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

I would say expectations are definitely increasing across the board. U.K., Canada, U.S., definitely increasing.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

For all the salespeople out there listening, every single time we hit a number, the expectation always goes up.

Peter Lowry
Analyst, JMP Securities

That's okay.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Are the commissions.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Exactly. Yeah, it feels like it's just a really solid area for us.

Peter Lowry
Analyst, JMP Securities

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

We have a question from William Warmington with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

William Warmington
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Good afternoon, everyone.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Hello, Bill.

William Warmington
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Congratulations on a strong quarter.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Thank you.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Thanks, Bill.

William Warmington
Analyst, Wells Fargo

I got a couple questions for you. The first was just to double-check the organic growth calculation. It looked like if you gave us a pro forma at 13.9, I just want to make sure I'm using the right level for Apartments.com historically. It looks like about 22.1, and that would put you at about 26.1.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Yeah, I think you're close. I don't have the exact number, the exact calculation is 13.9, you can back into it. It's like 22.5 or something like that, or 22.4

On a pro forma basis for them last year.

William Warmington
Analyst, Wells Fargo

All right. Does that imply for CoStar without apartments growing at about 13%, 13.1%? Does that sound about right?

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Yeah, I think it's somewhere around there, plus or minus.

William Warmington
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay. For the EBITDA margin, 2015 versus 2014, are we thinking that that margin is likely to be flat? Up some? I'm just trying to get a sense directionally whether we can expect-

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

I'll try to simplify. I'm not really coming out with guidance right now.

William Warmington
Analyst, Wells Fargo

I know.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

I'll give you some comments around it. The reality is we literally just started the detailed budget and operating plan process, which will be presented to our board in December.

William Warmington
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Yeah.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

I don't really want to get out there. Obviously, when you look at all the projects, there's a lot of moving parts. There's a lot of things we're testing and analyzing, and we're hiring researchers. There's a lot going on here, as most people know and expect. I'm not really prepared to give a goal. My just view is that, obviously, with everything going on, 2015's sort of an investment year.

William Warmington
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Right.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

I really think it sets up 2016, 2017, and 2018 really well. I tried to give people some of the pieces. Obviously, you guys didn't have $20 million to $25 million investments into mainly research in the model. I don't think people were expecting us to expand to Canada. Obviously, we took this opportunity to make that decision. What I would do is just go through and I'd look at, again, whatever your models, the consensus models, and I would just make sure that you're adding in these new things that we've talked about. I don't know what that adds up to because I haven't actually, like I said, I'm just going through the process now. Obviously, there's going to be more investments next year than we were talking about prior, but I think it sets us up very nicely.

The stuff with LoopNet, obviously, that could vary as to what could happen there. I view that as sort of a transition process, sort of an in and out. What will impact us in 2015 will come back to us by the time we get to 2016, 2017, 2018. Really the more permanent cost structure will be the research. Again, I feel great about that because we've been doing this for a long time. We've entered a lot of cities, and we got a lot of confidence, and we know we'll be making a lot of money come a few years down the road.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

I do have to say that all these decisions, right now, when you look at how the company feels right now, I feel like we have never had a stronger capability in the teams, be it systems, research, economics, sales, finance, all different components are incredibly strong right now, and the opportunities are significant, and the cohesiveness is good. I feel like we have a very strong engine and some tailwinds. We're running it flat out, frankly. We're just running every single element. I really like the get-two-for-one sort of efficiencies we're getting, so that when you're pursuing a revenue opportunity in the apartment space, you are, for free, deriving a revenue opportunity in the information space on the debt and equity side. Basically, that's what we're pursuing.

The decisions that obviously, for competitive reasons, we can't discuss every single detail, and because we're still formulating the budget, making some decisions, you can't discuss every single decision. I'll tell you that the decisions are not difficult to make. They're clear. We feel pretty good about it right now.

Brian J. Radecki
CFO, CoStar Group

Thanks, Bill.

Operator

I'll turn it back to our speakers for any closing comments.

Andrew Florance
Founder and CEO, CoStar Group

Well, definitely appreciate everyone joining us on the call. I apologize for the friction between Brian and John. I'll take them to lunch and try to work it out. Another great quarter, and congrats to the team.

Operator

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