Welcome to the CoStar Group First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Your hosting speaker, Director of Investor Relations, Rich Simonelli. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to our Q1 2014 conference call, and we're delighted that you've joined us today. Before I turn the call over to Andy, I have some really important information for you. And I know many of you heard this before, but there are a lot of new things that you want to pay close attention to. Certain portions of this discussion contain forward looking statements, which involve many risks and uncertainties that can cause actual results to differ materially from such statements.
Important factors that can cause actual results to differ include, but are not limited to, those stated in CoStar Group's April 23, 2014 press release on the Q1 results and in our filings with the SEC, including our Form 10 ks for the period ended December 31, 2013, under the heading Risk Factors. All forward looking statements are based on information currently available to us on this call, and we assume no obligation to update these statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. As a reminder, today's call is being broadcast live and in color on the Internet at costar.com. A replay will be available approximately 1 hour after the call concludes and will be available online for approximately 30 days. To listen to the replay, call 800 475-6701 within the United States or Canada or 320-365-3844 outside the U.
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I'll now turn the call over to Andy Florance. Andy? Rich, maybe you can help me figure out how the airplane seat belt works. Welcome and thank you for joining us. I'm very excited to talk with you today about the many positives we're experiencing at CoStar right now.
We had a very strong Q1 of 20 14. Revenue for the Q1 of 2014 was $119,000,000 It's an increase of approximately 15% over the Q1 of 20 13 as we continue to drive mid teens organic growth. For the same period, EBITDA was $27,000,000 adjusted EBITDA was $37,000,000 which is an increase of 44% year over year and represents a margin of 31%. Our 12 month trailing renewal rate was a very high 93% and 98% for customers who've been with us for over 5 years. Our business is doing exceptionally well as sales continue to be strong across the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom.
The investment we made in the expansion of our field sales force is beginning to yield results as we recorded our strongest ever net new sales month. During the Q1 of 2014, the United Kingdom continued its profitability and drive towards margin expansion. Our LoopNet team had a very strong Q1 of net new sales, and the LoopNet marketplaces experienced all time traffic records during the quarter. Most importantly, I'm also very enthusiastic about the huge potential we have with Apartments dot com and the amazing progress we're already making. The more I learn about Apartments dot com, the more excited I am about the opportunity we have here.
Our goal at Apartments dotcom is to help 10,000,000 Americans each and every year rent a better home. It's hard to believe it has only been 3 weeks since the close of the transaction. It feels like we've accomplished more in the 3 weeks than we typically accomplish in the 1st 90 days plus of an acquisition. We have leveraged CoStar, LoopNet, Lands of America, BizBuySell and Apartment.com's product design teams and are nearing completion plans for a revolutionary redesign of the Apartments.com website. As redesigned, the new website provides a superior consumer experience, gives advertisers more effective options and leverages CoStar's significant content advantages.
We have 138 software developers already identified and organized. We're beginning the 42 swim lanes of the redevelopment project. We are leveraging developers with various content mapping, back end, front end, mobile infrastructure, multifamily and marketplace expertise from LoopNet, CoStar and Apartments dotcom to accelerate the project. The project diagram looks somewhat complex. The cultural fit with the folks at Apartments.com is fantastic and the camaraderie with camaraderie, I can say that word, between CoStar LoopNet and the Apartments.com staff over the past 3 weeks and actually, the past several months has been very positive and even better than in many of the other acquisitions we successfully completed at CoStar.
I'm certain that the combination of CoStar multifamily information with Apartment.com's existing organic search strength and excellent brand recognition will form a powerhouse in CoStar's outstanding CoStar's outstanding leading edge technology capabilities, I believe the result will be a fantastic winning combination that cannot be matched. We believe there's a $1,000,000,000 revenue opportunity for marketing multifamily properties in the United States. It's not a tough thing to believe. And we are off to a good start in our effort to position Apartments dotcom as the undisputed leader in the multifamily marketing space. I believe reasonable initial investments will be dwarfed by future cash flows.
LoopNet continues to be an excellent performer. The Q1 of 2014 was 2nd highest quarter of net new revenue we have had since the close of the acquisition, and the Premier membership revenue continues to grow at approximately double the rate it was growing prior to the acquisition. The Q1 of 2014 saw the most traffic ever for Cityfeet, land and farm and biz buy sell. For LoopNet and BizQuest, it was their 2nd highest quarter traffic. These sites are all leaders in their respective categories and continue to expand their user footprint with high levels of user engagement.
With the addition of Apartments.com, we now have over 17,000,000 unique monthly visitors in aggregate coming to the various marketplaces we have. I believe we have well over 100,000,000 visitors to our sites annually. The sales and marketing plan we have implemented for LoopNet has led to significantly more paid listings. Specifically, since the close of the acquisition in April 2012, we increased the number of paid listings on LoopNet by 55%, which was one of our important initial goals for us. Com registered members grew nearly 20% from the prior year to 8,400,000, which is a 45 percent increase since the close.
Our testing of new broker advertising on LoopNet is showing some exceptional early returns. We have approximately 14 salespeople selling broker ads, among other responsibilities. In their 1st 2 months, they've sold an average of about $12,000 each, on top of other revenue they're generating. In these early stages, broker ads are generating just under 10% of LoopNet sales growth. We are averaging about 4.57 per month per sale from the small sample size of new clients.
We plan to continue to expand the number of salespeople selling broker ads as we move through the year. As I've discussed previously, we've made significant investments in growing our sales force in the latter part of 2013. We believe this larger sales force will increase revenue growth later this year and into 2015 and beyond. At CoStar, we now have 218 field sales representatives. In the Q1 of 2014, our annualized net new sales of subscription services were $14,700,000 which is in line with the Q1 of 20 13 and aligned with our expectations given the temporary disruptions typically associated with a rapidly growing sales force.
We are also investing in the expansion of the apartments field sales force and expect to increase the team from 85 field sales representatives before the acquisition to approximately 140 in 2014. We've already hired approximately 30 of these new sales executives. Again, a lot happening in the 1st few weeks. Just like CoStar, we believe that the larger sales force will help us realize more quickly the great opportunity ahead. We believe this will set the stage for improved growth in a few once we get those positions fully staffed and up the productivity curve.
Turning to the U. K. The momentum from the Q4 2013 has continued into the Q1 of 2014. EBITDA in the U. K.
Remains positive. We have a great management team and great team overall in place over there. And as with the U. S, we're investing in increasing the size of the U. K.
Sales force by approximately 50% over where they were last year. Upselling and upgrading to CoStar Suite has continued. Over 20% of the client And a In a new trend that's becoming the norm, U. K. Commercial property debt and equity investors are the outsized drivers and buyer of our U.
K. Sales and our CoStar property product there. CoStar Suite usage is in the past 6 months, it's increased from an average of 600,000 page hits per month to a record of 1,100,000 last month, and the Q1 monthly average is about 1,000,000 hits a month. So we're getting good use it's a month. So we're getting good usage of the new product over there.
As we announced last quarter, after 2 years of building a comprehensive database for Toronto, CoStar has entered the Canadian commercial real estate market this year. Within the 1st few months, we signed up more than 150 brokers. These brokers using the product are giving us high marks for the service. These new clients are brands such as our long standing U. S.
And U. K. Clients, Jones Lying LaSalle We have signed a number of pure Canadian brokerage firms such as CitySpace, SG Commercial Real Estate, Ashlar Urban Realty and Lennard Commercial. We signed up retailers like driven brands and REITs like Slate Properties. Slate Properties is a great example of how Canadian REITs are investing in the U.
S. And Canada. They're actively acquiring retail centers across the U. S. And office properties in the Greater Toronto area.
Prior to CoStar launching in Toronto, they had universal solution to analyze and evaluate properties both in the U. S. And U. K. They signed up for CoStar data, and within 4 days of positive reception.
I've participated directly in opening markets in the U. S, England, Scotland and now Canada. I believe that this is the best reception we have received and that revenue will ramp up at a faster pace than in past international market entries. In one meeting we had last week with a major brokerage firm, the marketing director told us it used to take her up to 4 days to build a client presentation because she had to pull content from about a dozen different Toronto info sources and combine them into one format. With CoStar, she thinks she'll be able to turn out a more complete and professional presentation in the same day.
The most common and consistent comment we're hearing from clients and prospects in Toronto is, the product is amazing. What took you so long to get to Toronto? It's a great sort of complaint complement by signal. As I mentioned a couple of quarters ago, we're we've been working for almost a year with Interbrand, a leading brand consultancy, to optimize our brand portfolio. We believe that by undertaking this project, we can accelerate across our entire family of products.
As CoStar Group experienced dramatic growth in recent years, both through acquisitions and organic development, the number of brands in our portfolio seemed to grow exponentially. The same was true at LoopNet, which brought almost a dozen distinct brands into our portfolio. Shortly after closing that acquisition, I was working on a slide to present our newly expanded brand portfolio to employees and investors, and we put all the different logos on 1 page, about 30 in all, we instantly realize how confusing it must be for our customers. To our customers, we're presenting a disparate array of brands, each with different visual identity and verbal personality. For example, CoStar has thousands of customers that would benefit from our PPR subsidiaries interpretive analytic reports, forecasting advisory services, but many of these customers were not even aware that CoStar offered such services from a sister company.
Similarly, many of PPR's high end analytic and advisory customers could benefit from CoStar's granular data. But the disjointed branding and different software platforms make it difficult for the customer to make that connection. Most of virtual Premises customers are large corporations and retailers who take comfort knowing that the company they're entrusting to manage 1,000 of leases and 1,000,000,000 in rent payments for them is a large stable provider like CoStar. But there's nothing in our virtual premise identity to make that connection. Last week, we inked a $240,000 deal with Jones Lang LaSalle to provide them with virtual premise.
Virtual premise will provide software support to help them cost effectively manage their huge transaction because of the combined strengths of the CoStar and Virtual Brammis brand, but we just make it too hard for people to see it. In this case, it was the CEO of JLL and CoStar working 1 on 1 making these connections. But with the rebranding, it will make it easier for anyone to see those connections. I'll give you one more example. I recall talking to one of my best friends and a client of 27 years who just start a new job running a large region for major brokerage firms.
He called me up and said, Andy, I've just purchased the most amazing CRM system. It's awesome, phenomenal reporting. He suggested I come over and look at it right away, and he thought it would be a great acquisition target for CoStar. I asked him what the name was, he couldn't quite remember, and then he came up with ARIAppss. Well, we already own ARIAppss.
And then it became clear that our portfolio was lacking in connectivity when our best customers didn't know all the different things they were buying from us and what our different brand connections provide them with information and insight and connecting them to the communities they need, provide them with information and insight and connecting them to the communities they need to move their business forward. The new structure will also make it easier for customers to recognize and assess opportunities across our portfolio. CoStar Group will continue to serve as the parent brand that will play a strong connective role across our portfolio as we realign our businesses under 5 primary flagships. CoStar will serve as the single flagship brand for our information, analytics and software, and we will be migrating all other information, analytics and software brands to support offerings under the CoStar flagship. For example, PPR will become CoStar Portfolio Strategy.
Virtual Premise will become CoStar Real Estate Manager. RE apps will become CoStar Brokerage Applications, making it easier for my friend to identify the connection. And Resolve becomes CoStar plan to continue to invest in LoopNet as the flagship brand for marketing, and we intend to leverage the LoopNet brand to expand our marketing revenue internationally, starting with the U. K. And Canada.
Apartments.com will be the flagship of the apartment home rental space. Bizbysell will be our flagship brand in the business for sale market and Lands of America, the flagship for the rural land market. I should note that these Internet marketplaces represent an important exception to this move to consolidate brands. The secondary and tertiary marketplace brands we own have valuable shelf space in Internet and search results, and we need to keep them unique. We plan to unveil the new brand structure to customers in mid May, so please don't tell anyone until then, along with a new visual identity that most closely connects and aligns the business under the CoStar Group umbrella.
You can see a sneak peek of our new logo on the cover of our 2013 annual report, and you can also see that we reused my picture from last year. Well, at CoStar, we saved over like $500 While CoStar is not a cyclical business, we do grow faster in stronger commercial real estate markets. The outlook for commercial real estate in 2014 continues to be good. We see solid demand growth from tenants, rising rents and good capital flows to the real estate sector. The U.
S. Economy and real estate markets are on course for broad improvement in 2014, and the United Kingdom is doing really quite well in addition. Steady economic growth and job growth is fueling healthy demand across the major property types. And because new construction is still low, that is outside of the multifamily sector, market fundamentals and rents continue to make solid gains. The recovery even more widespread.
Even the hardest hit housing based economies like those in Florida, Arizona, Nevada are joining the standout Texas markets to lead employment growth. The broad base of the economy is supporting solid rent growth for a low inflation economy, with year over year increases ranging from 1.7% for retail to 3.8% for industrial. After a strong 2013 when the commercial real estate sales rose by 24%, preliminary results from the Q1 2014 show that real estate sales are on track to nearly match last year's totals. I'm very pleased with where we are and where we're going as a company as we continue to transform digital real estate for commercial real estate. The implementation of our transformational business plan at Apartments.com is ahead of plan and I believe will result in a key catalyst to our future revenue and margin expansion.
I also expect that the increased size of our sales force will allow us to generate more sales and penetrate more markets and customer verticals effectively and efficiently. This month, April 2014, is important milestone for CoStar's management team and the company overall. As a group, we are very motivated and focused on reaching our 1st $1,000,000,000 year in revenue. As we closed out 119,000,000 dollars quarter with strong sales growth and the addition of Apartments.com, we unofficially reached a $500,000,000 a year revenue run rate about now. I want to congratulate my 2,500 colleagues on such a notable accomplishment, and it reinforces our confidence in our ability and motivation to reach $1,000,000,000 in high margin annual revenues.
With that, I'm going to turn the exciting part of the call winding down. I'm now going to turn it over to Brian Radecki, our very competent Chief Financial Officer. Thank you, Andy. I appreciate that, I guess. And so the $500,000,000 I guess, so when you look at the midpoint of next year's or next quarter's guidance, it's over $500,000,000 so $476,000,000 so approaching $600,000,000 already.
So look at that. And the call is not even over yet. We just upped the numbers. As Andy mentioned, we're very pleased with our performance in the Q1 of 2014. On the heels of an outstanding annual results in 2013, we reported 26% growth in annual revenues.
2014 is off to a great start, growing organic revenue in the mid teens, expanding EBITDA margins year over year and closing the Apartments dotcom acquisition. The company is clearly positioned for sustained long term growth. CoStar's information analytics and online marketplaces continue to show strong revenue growth and the ongoing success of the LoopNet integration and cross selling efforts continue to be a big contributor to growth in both revenue and earnings. Today, now I'm going to primarily focus on the year over year comparisons for the Q1 of 2014, which was prior to the Apartments dotcom acquisition, and then I'll focus on our outlook for the remainder of 2014, which incorporates the Apartments dotcom business into our results. Starting with CoStar Group's results for the Q1 of 2014, company reported $119,100,000 of revenue, an of approximately 15% compared to $104,000,000 last year.
This revenue growth was driven by strong information services performance, strong revenue growth from LoopNet in all of our marketplaces. EBITDA increased $19,400,000 to $27,000,000 in the Q1 of 2014, up 7.6% or as my boss's favorite headline is, 2 55 percent from the prior year. He loves that stat, sorry, kills me. We reported adjusted EBITDA of $37,000,000 for the Q1 of 2014, which is an increase of $11,300,000 or approximately 44% compared to the $25,700,000 last year. Adjusted EBITDA margin increased to $31,100,000 in Q1 of 2014 from $24,700,000 last year.
So that's a 6.4% increase year over year on a $476,000,000 run rate. That's pretty significant. Net income from Q1 of 20 14 was $9,700,000 or $0.34 per diluted share, which is an increase of $12,100,000 from a net loss of $2,400,000 in the Q1 of 2013. Non GAAP net income of Q1 was $19,800,000 or $0.69 per diluted share, which is a 52% increase over the $13,000,000 or $0.47 per diluted share from last year. Reconciliation of our non GAAP net income, EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA and all non GAAP financial measures discussed on the call today to their GAAP basis results are shown in detail along with definitions for those terms in our press release issued yesterday and are available on our website at www.costar.comorjustemailrcimonellicostar.com.
Cash and investments was $245,600,000 as of March 31, 2014. Short term debt totaled $148,800,000 as of March 31, 2014. On April 1, 2014, the company entered into a credit agreement of $625,000,000 which includes a $400,000,000 term loan facility and 225,000,000 dollars revolving credit facility, each with a term of 5 years. Initial borrowing under the revolver is $150,000,000 so the total new debt outstanding on the company after we closed the acquisition is $550,000,000 The new debt was used in combination with cash on hand to fund the Apartments dotcom acquisition and refinance the existing debt. We expect approximately $14,000,000 in total interest expense for this year.
At this point, I'm going to give some additional color on a few metrics to highlight our strong performance in the Q1 of 2014. We achieved $14,700,000 in net new sales of subscription services and annual contracts in the Q1 as a result of our ongoing success driving sales of our information, cross selling analytics and marketplace services into the business. This result is in line with the sales for the Q1 of 2013. Last quarter, Andy and I spoke at length about the great progress on expanding our field sales force, which now includes 218 reps, plus we'll now be welcoming approximately 85 reps from apartments, which will also be growing this year. Based on our aggressive hiring at the tail end of 2013, about half reps have less than a year with us.
We remain very focused on training and developing all these new sellers to bring them up the productivity curve as quickly as possible, which is typically 6 to 12 months. While we're training and developing these new reps, I expect sales trends in the first half of 2014, as I talked about last quarter, to be somewhat lower than the prior years and then begin to ramp up in the second half of this year and really ramp all the way through 2015 as productivity increases throughout the sales force. Remember, half the sales force is new and they're learning from the other half of the sales force, which has experience and that takes time and energy. Throughout 2013 into 2014, we have continued to deliver nice sales numbers while undergoing the significant transformation, and I will expect to start seeing strong returns from those efforts later this year. Obviously, we had a strong March, but we want to see another 3, 4, 5 months of strong sales.
Revenue from subscription services and annual contracts was $91,500,000 for the Q1 or 76.8 percent of total revenue, up from 73.1 percent a year ago. For the trailing 12 months ended March 31, subscription revenue from annual contracts totaled $342,400,000 up 21% from the $283,000,000 12 months ago 12 months ended March 31, 2013. So essentially, at the end of the Q1, we had approximately 77% of our revenue coming from annual subscriptions, continue to make progress upselling LoopNet subscribers on annual contracts, and we have increased the proportion of our revenue coming from annual subscriptions by about 6% since the LoopNet acquisition closed. The remaining 23% is primarily made up of marketing services, including LoopNet's premium membership on monthly or quarterly agreements as well as revenue from advertising across both platforms. The renewal rates for annual subscription revenue remained very high during the Q1.
The 12 month trailing renewal rate on CoStar subscription services was 93% in the Q1, in line with the previous quarter. As we've discussed in the last few quarters, as we continue to introduce more annual LoopNet contracts in the subscription base, it is expected to cause the 12 month trailing renewal rate to edge down slightly, possibly 1% or 2 over the next year or so. The renewal rate for CoStar subscribers who've been with us for 5 years or longer continues to remain at an astounding 98%, which is consistent for the past few quarters. As we move forward and begin to report financial results, which include apartments .com, we'll relook at the metrics we're currently providing in order to make sure we're giving appropriate insight into the newly acquired marketplace. As Andrew discussed, we are deep into the planning and integration of the Apartments dotcom team.
We believe we have a great opportunity to accelerate the growth in that business. First, we need to carve out the Apartments.com business and technology infrastructure from its old parent company and bring that into CoStar's data centers and technology environment. That's expected to take several quarters, but the work is already underway and that will come with some small incremental capital expenditures. Secondly, as Andy discussed, we'll be dedicating additional product design and development teams from across CoStar to complete the redesign of the apartment's website and mobile applications. This is a large software development effort and will likely involve additional resources investment and some software cap.
We also expect to eliminate some small non core apartment services that are expected to impact revenues by $2,000,000 $3,000,000 this year. In terms of selling and marketing, we've already started making some investments that we believe will drive increased revenue growth later this year into 2015 and beyond. Obviously, I included synergies already. We're expanding the apartment sales force just like we're seeing at CoStar, and we believe that will set the stage for improved growth in a few quarters as we get those positions staffed and up the productivity curve. In addition, we've made some additional marketing efforts to support this.
As many of you on this call know, prior to the Apartments dotcom acquisition, CoStar successfully integrated 20 plus acquisitions the digital real estate space since I've been here. As you can see from all the activity Andy and I discussed this morning, we are fully engaged to maximize the growth opportunities and ensure the success of the Apartments dotcom acquisition by applying all of our successful experiences from these prior acquisitions, some just like LoopNet. Now on to the outlook. I'll discuss the Q2 outlook and the full year of 2014. Our guidance takes into account recent trends, growth rates, renewal rates, which may be impacted by economic conditions in commercial real estate or the overall global economy, among other things.
Our guidance on the impact on foreign currency fluctuations on our top line results remain consistent. We do not attempt to predict foreign exchange rates or fluctuations on our guidance, and we assume little or no volatility. Actual results may vary from these estimates. We are providing the outlook reflecting our current expectations as of today, April 24, 2014. Based on the April 1 closing date of the Apartments acquisition, our outlook includes the impact of the Apartments .com acquisition for the remaining three quarters.
As we said, we announced the acquisition, we expect the Apartments deal to be accretive to 20 14 non GAAP earnings and adjusted EBITDA. Our outlook includes purchase accounting adjustments as well as various fees and expenses associated with closing the transaction and integrating these companies. For the full year consolidated revenues of approximately $560,000,000 to $570,000,000 which takes into account revenue from CoStar's existing business of $490,000,000 to 4 $98,000,000 including our Q1. So we've included some upside from our Q1 there and revenue from the Apartments business from April forward, including some nice growth for them, plus on top of that $3,000,000 to $4,000,000 of synergies realized in 2014, partially offset by a small reduction in $2,000,000 to $3,000,000 as I mentioned earlier of non core revenue as I talked about. This revenue range equates to 27% to 29% annual revenue growth, which follows our 2013 reported revenue growth of 26% and follows a 30 plus percent year the year before that.
For comparison, in $3,000,000 to $4,000,000 in expected revenue synergies for this year, comparing that to sort of the LoopNet, that is higher than what we recognized in the 1st 9 months of the LoopNet acquisition. So it's I'm putting lots of expected things in there. We've only owned the company for 2.5 to 3 weeks. So I believe it's a pretty strong range, which really, like I said, we're including growth for them and synergies on top of that. We expect revenue for the Q2 in the range of 143 $1,000,000 to $145,000,000 When we announced the acquisition, we stated we believe we can achieve $20,000,000 annualized synergies over the next 24 months.
This estimate includes both revenue and cost synergies. Just like we achieved with the LoopNet acquisition, there's potential for significant revenue synergies throughout the cross selling of both platforms and customer bases. And so obviously, we hope that, that number is bigger as time goes on. In terms of earnings, we're raising our guidance range for 20.14 fully diluted non GAAP net income per share to 3.05 to 3.15 per share based on 28,800,000 shares. We currently assume a 38% tax rate to approximate our long term effective corporate tax rate.
Just like the revenue, our guidance includes CoStar's existing business $2.92 to $3.02 per share. We added some upside from our strong Q1. We added the impact of the Apartments acquisition for the last three quarters of this year. We had a little higher interest expense for the impact on the acquisition to interest expense for the debt of $0.18 and investments we're making in selling and marketing for the remainder of the year, which represents about share or $9,000,000 As shown in our guidance table at the back of our press release, we are increasing our estimate for adjusted EBITDA by about $15,000,000 to a range of $171,000,000 to $175,000,000 of EBITDA. The increase is primarily related to the impact of the Apartments acquisition.
I'm going to add a little bit. So just to make sure everybody is clear, I didn't line item all the cost to carve out the business. We did process payroll on day 1 of CoStar. So if you understand what a carve out looks like, they didn't have any of their own payroll processing accounts payable. They didn't have their own server rooms.
So CoStar has to move and build all that. So there's a lot of other expenses in here, but I didn't want to line item the $50,000 for payroll, the $5,000 for granola bars and the $400 per plant service for the new thing. So there are some other costs associated. The core CoStar business continues to go strong. Most of the additional costs are on apartments for this year.
So for the Q2 of 2014, we expect non GAAP net income per diluted share of approximately 0.69 dollars to $0.73 based on 28,800,000 shares. In summary, I'm very pleased with CoStar's financial results for the Q1 of 2014, which clearly shows strong organic growth and margin expansion. As Andy mentioned several times, I believe the opportunity in the multifamily space is massive, and we believe we can make the investments in the business now that will drive further growth and get the Apartis growth rates up to the CoStar business and LoopNet business and possibly higher and market share gains moving forward. Like the acquisitions we have done for decades and specifically over the past few years, we believe the Apartments dotcom acquisition significantly increases CoStar's addressable market in the digital real estate space and allows us to leverage our industry leading assets in information, analytics and marketplaces to accelerate revenue growth at high incremental margins. We continue to believe the consolidated company is operating in a multibillion dollar revenue opportunity, and we are focused on executing to capture that opportunity.
Based on the growth trajectories of the combined business today as well as the expected synergies we expect from the businesses, we believe we can deliver on our long term goal of achieving a run rate of $800,000,000 in annualized revenue at a 40 plus percent adjusted margin in the Q4 of 20 16, 1 year earlier than previously expected. And since I'm going to adlib again here. Since Andy just let the cat out of the bag, we believe we could actually reach $1,000,000,000 with the current platform today somewhere around the Q4 of 2018. And if you want the model, just e mail andycostar.com, and he'll send it to you. $1.25 each.
Now as I've been here for 17 plus years, going on 18 years, we've done 20 some deals. We've equated a little over a deal a year, and we've obviously done a couple of deals in the past couple of years. So if you really want my personal opinion, I'd be shocked at 2018 in 5 years from now if we haven't done other accretive acquisitions and we get to $1,000,000,000 sooner than that. And as you'll calculate from your models for my 2016 exit rate and the 2018 rate, that equates to mid teens growth on a business that's getting much larger each year. So clearly, I'm confident in where we're going.
And with that, I'd like to thank you all. I look forward to sharing our progress with these goals on you in the coming quarters, and I'll open it up for questions.
And we do have a question from the line of Brandon Bebel, William Blair. Please go ahead.
Thanks. Good morning, guys.
Good morning. How are you doing? Hey, Brandon.
Not too bad, not too bad. A couple of things. First, I want to focus on, let's call it, the core business for a second. The net new sales figures you guys gave, maybe some color about what's driving that? Is it cross sell for existing customers?
Is it customers? Is it adding new customers? I just like want to understand, I guess, the base components of that and how we should think about those major components contributing to increase net new sales as you work through the balance of this year?
It's actually across the board. We've had 1 or 2 months where virtually everything is performing well and we're getting contribution both from the U. K, from virtual premise, from LoopNet, from CoStar. It's a blend of new and upsell accounts. Both U.
K. And U. S. Are in this mode of upgrading lubnet information to CoStar information. In U.
K, it's focused to CoStar Suite. So that's continuing. It's both it's in the brokerage area and the debt and equity area. There's a decent amount of inter brand related sales like the Jones Lang LaSalle sale with virtual premise. One of the interesting things we're seeing is that as we bring on these newer salespeople in the field, they are selling a disproportionately higher percentage of LoopNet.
So they're selling. The newer folks are looking at all the different things they can choose from to sell, and they're selling about 50% more LoopNet per person than the traditional salespeople. So I like it I like what we see in terms of it being all cylinders and not one big driver.
Maybe to take that last point there, Andy, one step further. Is there any concern among the team that as you add more salespeople, they kind of find the path of least resistance to new customers, but that path entails a lower average selling price. So therefore, relative to the size of the business that you've got to run faster in sales force headcount to get the same incremental dollars added in net new sales because they're focusing on, again, the products that are $200, $500 a month as opposed to the multi $1,000 products in the core CoStar database?
No, I wouldn't say that. I don't think that's the case. So in that general sales force, they've always had these around the spectrum from $2.95 a month account on up to these multi $1,000 accounts. The bulk of sales have always occurred around that $500 $5.90 a month sale. And as I mentioned, newer things like the broker ads, they're coming in exactly $5.90 a month.
So we're seeing a lot of annual business coming in the LoopNet and a lot of business pricing at the $5.90 in LoopNet and pricing at the $5.90 a month in the CoStar. So really the only stuff that comes in consistently at 1,000 a month is consistently at 1,000 a month is debt and equity sales. Newer markets where you are bringing on a Jones Lang with South Serrano, those come in at the 1,000 of dollars a month or those bigger numbers. So it actually looks pretty good and the overall productivity numbers are looking fairly solid. And there's no discussion, I'm hearing 0 discussion of anything that looks like salespeople struggling to find room to sell because of the growth of sales force.
They're not bumping into each other in any way, shape or form. And as we bring in apartments.com, if you look at the size of that market, if you look at the size of that potential market, in year 1, we're really focusing on probably 6 or 7 markets we think have exceptional growth potential, and we don't want to grow that sales force too quickly. But as we go into 2015, we will definitely be doing more integration between these sales forces and giving them even more in their toolkit to sell. And we think all of these products are pretty good price points. They're all the ROI on a field salesperson across all these products looks really good.
So we're happy with what it looks like. And we're improving what these ROIs look like across these businesses by different approaches to how we're packaging, contracting and selling them.
Okay. And they're just focusing on Apartments dotcom for a second. I think it's just pretty clear to me how you guys can make their business better, right, faster growth, more salespeople, better tech investments, those kinds of things. What do you view as the opportunity for what apartments does well or does in general to make the CoStar side of the house or the LoopNet side of the house better? Is there a two way flow of things that make both institutions or organizations better?
Or is it just you bringing CoStar competencies over to the apartment side?
No, there is a couple of things that stand out from apartments.com. I mean, I won't be able to list them all right off the bat. But there's some nuances in their marketplace design, things they focus on and then the way they take that to their customers. So they really bring a lot of their marketplace strategy back to quantifying the actual leads delivered the way Google gives you an actual conversion rate on your SEM campaigns. So they really try to quantify for their customers the actual lead flow they're pulling in.
I think that's very valuable across all of our marketplace platforms and even useful for our pure brokerage CoStar Property platform. The other thing I really like about the firm that comes back our way is, I like their high touch continual sort of customer connection on the advertising side. If you bring Brad Long's approach to high touch customer service into the LoopNet side of the market, I think that will reenergize the like not like LoopNet needs to be reenergized, LoopNet started doing great. But when you bring that sort of Apartments dotcom customer focus and high touch continuously quantifying for ethic to and that culture to the LoopNet sales process, I think the LoopNet sales process lights up. So I think that's exciting.
And then there are these folks have been thinking a lot about how to improve their marketplace and there's some good ideas that they're bringing to the table. So it's a good mix. And CoStar, LoopNet and Apartments, they're very different organizations and they're historically very different organizations. And if you can tap into the strengths of each, you end up with a pretty strong mixture. It's a nice melting pot.
Nice melting pot. All right. And then final one for
me. You mentioned the branding changes taken 30 down to a smaller number. Either from a technology point of view, sales point of view, I guess maybe even organizational point of view, what is that going to look like for you internally? Does the branding stuff make it easier for the sales guys to sell? Or does it allow you to reduce the number of platforms that you have to support internally?
I guess I'm just trying to figure out that what you guys would see internally or what your employees would see internally versus what we're going to see externally?
Right. I think some of it is subtle but important. So as the employees see these more logical naming of the products and connections of the product, it reminds them that we're one team and that we have to put the customer first and that it's about delivering the best result to the customer, not maintaining the nuances of some older brand or strategy that's now dating in the context of 1 unified company. So for instance, without a doubt, a customer who is investing in apartment buildings wants to be able to have one login to access anything PPR can do for them, anything CoStar can do for them, anything LoopNeck does for them and anything that apartment.com does for them. So our one of the central theme here is to eliminate software platforms and get down to fewer and fewer software platforms, one password for the customer across the whole family, be it virtual premise, be it real estate manager, be it our CRM solutions across the whole.
So it would be fewer platforms, more focus on the customer, not the brand delivering the value and tighter integration between these different product areas. And it does make it easier for the salesperson to increase the confidence of the salesperson that this is one of the products I carry. And a salesperson may not be able to sell our risk analytics product to somebody with their level of experience or product expertise, but they have a good relationship with the prospect, they can develop the interest and bring in a specialist. And I think having it all under one common brand gives them greater confidence in doing that. So I think there'll be it's an expensive process.
I tell you, as you look at the re branding and you look at the different treatments visually and you look at the taglines, it's obvious. It couldn't be more obvious. And I've been living in the new brands now for about 6 months even though it's not released. And I go back and I periodically day to day, I'm confronted with what our reality is today versus what the new brand looks like, and I can't believe how bad what we have today looks compared to where we're going. So that's way too long an answer for you.
I apologize.
No, much appreciated. Thanks, guys. Okay.
All right. Next question is from the line of Brent Huff, Stephens Incorporated. Please go ahead.
Good morning and congrats on a nice quarter, guys.
Thank you very much. Thanks, Brett.
One housekeeping question. Brian, you mentioned a metric 6% 23% relative to loop, and I just didn't understand what that metric was. Can you just reiterate, I apologize to ask you to do that, just reiterate what that meant?
6% 23%. Yes. Was that talking about the I think I was talking about the adjusted margins increasing by 6% from 31.1 percent to 24.7 percent. So I think he's talking about the fact that adding 6.4% of EBITDA on a $176,000,000 run rate is a pretty large number year over year.
Okay. And then the I know that we're not calling out the LOOP cross sale specifically anymore, but I do think there's a question that we've been asked a lot is give us a sense of the LOOP cross sale performance, whether it's is conversion rates still sort of mid-30s? Or just give us maybe a qualitative view on should is that did that taper in 1Q?
I don't believe it did taper. So to be honest with you, I do not have numbers from this month on that, but my sense of it is that it would not have tapered, it would have continued to increase. So we hit a point maybe about 3 months ago where I was seeing significant improvement in the sales force's ability to do these upsell conversions. I think it's just part of the sales force culture now and it's north of that. It's probably in the upper 30s on conversion rate.
The interesting thing is I also see them beginning to be good at going into a firm who's been using very piecemeal. Like there was a big firm in Seattle who had huge firm in not in Seattle, huge firm in Salt Lake City that had been purchasing LoopNet ad hoc individual accounts for years years years across 100 different brokers and the salesperson went in there and has successfully upsold them to a bigger purchasing plan on annual agreement across all the brokers in that firm. And then they're already migrating into moving in to now moving them up to the CoStar information contract. So I think they're actually getting better at it. And the sales force is coin operated in that if there's money to be gotten, that's where they go and there's clearly money there.
And the bottom line is we still only captured 25%, 20% of that potential upsell and the opportunity grows faster than we're capturing, which is good news. And that would be a specific example over there in Salt Lake where the person first created the LoopNet sale in order to get the CoStar upsell. So it's going that continues well. Okay.
And then the on the $0.19 of sales and marketing spending on Apartments.com you all called out, I think one of the since you bought Apartments.com, I think many view that as a little more consumer oriented than some of the other things you've done just because you're pitching to a renter to come to your site. Can you talk a little bit about the persistence of the need to spend on not building the brand or drawing people or drawing eyeballs to the site, etcetera, and kind of how that fits in? Is that $0.19 kind of whatever that number is, is that an ongoing kind of thing? Or what is the what are your thoughts on that, if I'm
And a huge And a huge piece of that incremental spend is connected with strengthening our relationships, increasing our sales force so that we can reach out to more of those traditional folks who own, manage and operate thousands and thousands of these income producing rental properties. So a lot of money is going to basically ramping up a level of underinvestment we saw in just selling the product B2B. There is some investment being made in increasing awareness of apartments.com for the consumer audience and driving more traffic. Actually put that at a less than half. Brian might have a better idea of exactly what it is.
The more important changes the much more important changes to reaching the consumer with Apartments.com are improving the consumer experience at the website. There's some low hanging fruit to be achieved by improving SEO and some SEM strategies and cross link between the different sites. But the most important thing is building a better website with more content and giving the consumer a better experience, which I think we're well positioned to do. And that is not about massive, massive, massive continued budgets. So this is an asset that realistically, look at apartments.com, it was owned by a consortium of well known newspapers.
And not surprisingly, those well known big newspapers are focused on cash flow. And the business was run for cash flow, sometimes at the cost of potential returns 18 months out. And so just to throw a couple of pieces on that. So essentially, Brian, I think what you're also asking is, yes, I mean, I think that's investment
in the business. So if you look
at LoopNet, we invested some in that $50 $1,000,000 plus of revenue at a 90% renewal rate over the next 10 years generated me $400,000,000 $500,000,000 of revenue at a 70% to 80% margin. So I think the yes, these are investments. We're actually adding sales including more including more revenue in the 1st 9 months in my number than I did from confidence that we've done this before. And so obviously, I feel pretty good about it. So people shouldn't think that I'm not being conservative.
I mean, I'm putting some good numbers, good growth on their business, good but we obviously have to hire the people and perform. But I believe that, that revenue that you sell, of course, again, over a 10 year period is going to result in 100 and 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars of EBITDA from investments that we're making today. Clearly, there's already almost $1,000,000,000 of revenue in this area already being spent today marketing on both offline and online. So we capture another $100,000,000 or $200,000,000 of that over the next X number of years at an 80% margin. It's just a it's a massive, massive return.
So for me, the way I look at it is, when you look at the 'sixteen exit and the 'eighteen exit is, you're investing a little bit today and then you're going to ultimately get their business higher revenue growth and then ultimately higher EBITDA in just a I think Brian sounds positive. It's kind of worked up this morning.
And
then last question, this is just another housekeeping, sorry. The you guys had called out maybe sunsetting some loop revenue $10,000,000 to $12,000,000 this year and also spending $0.10 to $0.12 I think mostly in 1Q on supporting the launches in November, if I'm remembering right. What is the status of those? What was in the quarter? What was pushed out, etcetera?
Sure. It's Brian. So yes, I mean, I think a lot of it was basically branding. And Andy obviously talked pretty extensively about branding. So I think for the most part, we're sort of where we thought we were on the investments.
I mean, is there a couple of dollars that go between Q1 and Q2? Yes, possibly. But obviously, we've spent a lot of time on this branding project and a lot of money. And there are 3 or 4 product areas where we look at it and there are about 3 product areas where we look at it and we think that while it generates 1,000,000 in revenue, we think ultimately it is suppressing our earnings over an 18 month horizon out. And it's always difficult for any company to say, okay, I'm going to give up these $3,000,000 I'm going to shoot those $3,000,000 of revenue because each quarter comes around, I'm supposed to tell you about the maximum amount of new revenue this quarter.
But clearly, these things are not the right investments. Now there's I don't want to give any potential competitor anywhere any kind of heads up on how they can try to capture any of the revenue we're shooting, so I'm not going to go into detail on what we're shooting. But we're just doing that good character thing where you shoot the stuff that's not right for the company over 18 months or more.
Great. Thanks for your time, guys.
Thanks, Brett. Thank you.
And next question is from the line of Andrew Jeffrey of SunTrust. Please go ahead.
Hey, guys. Good morning. Just a couple of quick ones for me. I guess we're in afternoon now on the East Coast. With regard to the sales organization, one of the things I didn't hear you necessarily call out today is the effort to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Can you just talk about how walk and chew gum at the same time. Can you just talk about how as they come on and you train them and sort of get the feet wet at CoStar, where the priorities are and perhaps some of the sort of end market expansion efforts that you've spent a lot of time talking about the last year or 2. Maybe we're looking more in the 15% to hear about traction there and this is more about a year of just ramping these new sales folks to get their productivity up on the core products?
Sure. So this is fairly dramatic and appropriate expansion of sales force. Coming together with LoopNet just made it crystal clear, we can look at where LoopNet had success selling to commercial real estate professionals, where we had success selling to commercial real estate professionals. We saw a complementary and sort of inverse pattern. So we realized, like an example, we had a West LA office and we had tremendous penetration in Downtown LA, Orange County, West LA on up into up towards Santa Barbara.
We didn't have an office in Inland Empire. LoopNet picked up 6,000 customers over in Inland Empire. It makes it obvious we should have an Inland Empire office and several salespeople there in the combined companies. So right off the bat coming out of LoopNet, we knew we had to increase the number of territories. We could see and it was one of the great exhaust benefits of the LoopNet acquisition was getting transparency in how to optimize your sales force or where you should be investing for your sales force.
So setting the goal of having this larger footprint sales force and more field sales rather than inside sales in your investment mix, we had to double the size of our management team, the sales management team. And we brought in some tremendous talent over the past year in Paychex, all sorts of information, subscription product areas, Paychex, all sorts of information, subscription product areas. We've really added some horsepower to our sales management team. If you're on our sales management team and you talk to one of these folks, you will hear that the CEO over at CoStar is maniacally focused on onboarding these salespeople and having these sales managers participating in the field intensively 1 on 1 with these new people and getting them up through that critical 1st 6 months confidence building, moving them out of the classroom and into the field training mode. And I'm looking at reports showing that our managers are doing 100 and 100 of in the field customer meetings with these new reps and supporting them.
And we have all sorts of safety nets to try to make sure that these folks who are onboarding don't fall through the cracks. Because as we get this larger team successfully stood up, it's a tremendous resource. You're exactly right that it is a high priority to begin to segment these sales forces into a debt and equity group, a general information sales group and an advertising sales group, 3 large distinct sales forces. First priority is to have all the players in place. We are making a lot of initiatives on growing that debt and equity group, which is multi 1,000 month accounts.
Advanced training up in Boston advanced training up in Boston on the debt and equity space and the PPR product offerings. As we move into 2015, those folks will begin to move over. I mentioned the apartment dot com sales force and ad sales culture that creates a foundation 2015 for segmenting our ad sales force over there. But you're absolutely right. We're asking a lot of them, and they'll perform more effectively if we allow the sales force to focus down on one vertical and focus on the needs of these individual verticals.
So it's an ongoing process. And from start to finish, management, scaling up the number of salespeople and then segmentation is the top of the pyramid.
Okay. And then just to get a little more granular on the apartments synergies and timing of marketing spend, could you give us a sense of when we're going to see that redesign website and whether the marketing spend and sort of the associated revenue contributions that Ryan laid out will be is that a second quarter event with the spend coming hard on the heels of the redesign? Or what's sort of the timing as far as apartments are beginning to contribute?
It's spread across the year, and there'll be incremental releases of incremental improvement releases throughout the year. And with the biggest impact of the releases in 2015. So smaller incremental releases in 'fourteen and bigger impact in 'fifteen and the spend relatively smooth throughout the year. Yes, the spend is smooth, but what I will say the spend is immediate. So we've owned them for 3 weeks, and I think we have a class of 20 some salespeople that we've already hired for them.
So we're already ramping up. We've already made the immediate spend, I mean, like literally on day 1, in the selling and marketing area. And that's why I have enough confidence to put in the revenue for this year and again more than I had more than we actually did in LoopNet in the 1st 9 months, because obviously we have a blueprint and a game plan to follow and we feel very confident in that. So the spend is immediate, whereas maybe with LoopNet, it ramped up a little bit more. It's immediate and pretty consistent.
Okay. So the RevSci redesign really means as we look out to 'fifteen and beyond, we start to get some of the more explicit advertising revenue perhaps that you anticipate from partners?
Yes, correct.
All right. Thanks guys. Thanks Andrew. Have a good vacation. Working on it.
I'm alright now. Thanks.
I was surprised you called. I would say you're not doing very well.
Yes, thanks. We can talk about that offline. Thanks again, Andrew. Appreciate it. Have a good time.
Right. And next question is
from the line of Bill Warmington, Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Good afternoon, everyone.
Good afternoon, Bill.
Now, I think I should note this because it was over an hour ago that I just wanted to compliment Rich on his dramatic reading of the Safe Harbor and to thank him for those new I'd like you to ask you to do is to talk about kind of the normalized contribution from Apartments dotcom on the EBITDA line in 2014 because we had and I think the components you gave some of the components, but it sounds like there were some other components there too that you didn't necessarily break out. And if we look at the $15,000,000 increase in the EBITDA guidance and you have about $9,000,000 coming for specific marketing expenses and then another I assumed about $2,000,000 for that $2,000,000 dollars 1,000,000 discontinued revenue and then probably another $5,000,000 that you would then deduct from that because that was kind of your that was your beat in the Q1, if you will, get you to around $20,000,000 to $20,000,000 to $21,000,000 in what a normalized contribution from Apartments .com without all those special expenses in there would have been. Is that a fair way of looking at that?
Yes. I mean, I think that's pretty fair. I mean, again, Bill, I didn't get into the multitude of things where we are By the end of May, we've got new servers. And so, by the end of May. We've got new servers.
And so there's a lot of detail in there, but what I did was I broke out big pieces. So after you get past these big pieces, it's 50,000 here, 200,000 there, lots of 10,000 there, lots of increased travel. We've got at any given time, if you go to the JW Marriott and the Loop and you walk through the lobby, you will undoubtedly in the morning and at night see at the Hightop at least 5 to 7 CoStar people every single night, CoStar, LoopNet people. So I didn't go through a breakout, but the way you did it is about right. I mean, I included upside for the CoStar business.
I didn't go through all different spending on the Apartments business. But yes, generally, you're about right. If you took their EBITDA and you took 3 quarters of it, you're going to be around 20,000,000 dollars $20,000,000 $21,000,000 So your sort of math is generally correct, plus or minus $1,000,000 here or there.
All right. And then I was very glad you pointed out the or you set the EBITDA margin target 2nd quarter guidance is more like it's under $30,000,000 And so the how should we think about the progression and that EBITDA, not so much in 2014 because I think you've given us that guidance, but it implies how to think about that in 2015 probably.
Yes. And so I mean, it's what I would say is, as we sort of talked about on the call, there's investments up front here, right? And
so we just
talked about a lot of those. And then similar to CoStar, as you invest in their sales force this year, it'll be ramping up all the way through next year. So I think next year is and we'll be, again, incrementally releasing new releases on the development and websites. And as Andy said, more to come in 2015. So I think that the steeper slope of the ramp is out in 2016.
But I expect nice steady growth through 'fifteen also. But obviously, I believe the steeper ramp both on revenue and earnings will be in 'sixteen as you sort of start to see the results of that, right? So as you start seeing results in early first half of 'fifteen and as you move 'fifteen, you'll then get those full year impacts of those in 'sixteen, right? You're only going to get partial year impacts from upside on those. So I would say, we still expect nice growth top and bottom line obviously in 'fifteen with a steeper ramp in '16.
And just to be clear, Bill, none of these investments were my idea because Brian is so incredibly bullish on the opportunity, he insists that I invest in
it. Does
Brian get credit for the granola bars too, 5,000,000 granola bars?
That is clearly Andy because I'm the most unhealthy eater at the company. But just to remember, Bill, the easiest way for you to build your 5 year model is just e mail andycosap.com. He will just send it over to you because he always left the can out of the bag. I can't keep anything that's easy.
Well, I wanted to ask on the revenue side, I needed to ask about March because you did call it out as the strongest net new sales month that you've seen. And I just wanted to ask, we know it was a single month, but I just wanted to know if you were to annualize that level, what kind of a number would we looking at? We know it's better than $15,000,000
Yes. I mean,
Bill, I'm not even going to go there and annualize 1 month As we know, numbers go up and down from month to month. Obviously, we have a very new sales force. Again, half of the sales force that's experienced is spending a lot of time with half the sales force that's not. So I believe we will see a steady ramp this year with obviously some months being better than others. It's obviously encouraging to us, but I would I want to see how we do obviously as we stream together a couple more quarters.
And even with apartments, I mean, if you look at it, I added in their revenue, I added growth to them, I added synergies to them. I wasn't cheap on what I put in my model for them. And I would like since we've only it's only been 22 days since closed, I'd like to at least get a quarter 2 behind me before so like even as we report Q2 and Q3, I hope people aren't then jacking up their 15 numbers and jacking up their 16 numbers because it's like let's get a little experience. Clearly, I have a lot of confidence or I wouldn't have done that. And clearly, when you look at the blueprint on LoopNet and we're using a lot of that blueprint on apartments, we feel fairly confident in success here.
So I mean, I can't wait for next quarter and the following quarter to report. I think it's going to be great.
One last question for you then. Dan, on in terms of your total addressable market, now that you've acquired Apartments dot com, how would you size that? And how the first is how would you size it? And then second is how would you give us again broad brush strokes how you got there?
Well, without being terribly creative, I believe that the apartment communities who we research and identified over the last several years are already spending well over $1,000,000,000 in digital marketing. And with a very, very fragmented group of players, some are exactly head to head competitors with apartment.com. And then there's some various variations of roll your own, SEM strategies and the like. But it's unusual to look at a space like this and at this point see well over $1,000,000,000 of actual spending and where we can identify these various budgets. It is over $5,000,000,000 in marketing for apartment communities in total in all different vehicles, concessions, direct spend and the like or locator fees and the like.
But so if you put the market between $1,000,000,000 $5,000,000,000 you're not capturing the whole information side of the business, which is equally important to us. So massive underwriting, it's a multi $1,000,000,000,000 asset class, lots of underwriting, lots of buying and selling these assets, the securitization of these assets, there is the REITs, there is the individual entrepreneurial owners, there is the larger institutional owners. And then there are there's a whole broad ecosystem. There's some very large, hard quality companies that are producing software solutions for these same multifamily owners. So you definitely have a $10,000,000,000 space here.
So if I look at just digital services to the apartment space, the direct spend is already probably approaching $2,000,000,000 So it's a decent sized space to play in. And the nice thing is I like the fact that in the compartment.com area, it's still highly fragmented.
All right. Well, thank you very much.
Thanks, Bill.
Our next question is from the line of Peter Lorre, JMP Securities. Please go ahead.
Hey, guys. Just one quick question here. Andy, you mentioned that the more you learn, the more excited you are about the Apartments dotcom opportunity. Maybe you could share sort of how your view on that opportunity has changed or what you've learned since you announced the acquisition? Well, you're always going into an acquisition like this.
You do all the research you possibly can. We understand the market from a lot of our experiences in LoopNet and BizBuySelling Lands in America. We understand the multifamily space from the information side. As you get in there and you get to work side by side with the management team, you actually explore some of the details and nuances of what's occurring. You start to spot things that you've seen before.
You see opportunities that anytime you have one management team in a company, running it for a decade or 15 years, that's easy for another management team with a different set of experiences to come in and see opportunities. And so you just see just a whole plethora of financial opportunities to go after. They could be sales tactics, marketing tactics, pricing tactics. A lot of the upside we got from LoopNet was just how you price the products more effectively to reach the customer's budget and how the customer wants to spend money. So that is certainly the case with Apartments dotcom.
And then also my own personal, I'm a risk averse individual, and I don't like to mess these things up. And the more you learn and the more you see the teams working together and the more you see people moving towards taking Apartments.com to the next level, you start to feel the risks are starting to fall away from me. And I feel more confident about the potential here. And that probably is an understatement about how a number of folks feel about what could be built here with Apartments.com given the talents the management team talents we've got across the spectrum. There are plenty of really good people here at CoStar to go execute something like this to make up for any shortcomings I have.
Okay. Thank you and congratulations on a nice quarter. Great. And thank you for being the last to call in from the West Coast, so I can say good morning.
Hi,
Peter. So with that, we're going to go ahead and wind up the call. And thank you very much for joining us, and we'll look forward to speaking with you on next quarter's earnings call. Thank you very much. Thank you.
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