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Earnings Call: Q2 2022

Nov 5, 2021

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2022 Cavco Industries Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one on your telephone. If you require any further assistance, please press star zero. I will now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Mark Fusler, Director of Financial Reporting and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Mark Fusler
Director of Financial Reporting and Investor Relations, Cavco Industries

Good day, and thank you for joining us for Cavco Industries Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2022 Earnings Conference Call. During the call, you'll be hearing from Bill Boor, President and Chief Executive Officer, Allison Aden, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Paul Bigbee, Chief Accounting Officer. Before we begin, we'd like to remind you that the comments made during this conference call by management may contain forward-looking statements under the provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including statements of expectations or assumptions about Cavco's financial and operational performance, revenues, earnings per share, cash flow or use, cost savings, operational efficiencies, current or future volatility in the credit markets or future market conditions.

All forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, which could affect Cavco's actual results and could cause its actual results to differ materially from those expressed in any forward-looking statements made by or on behalf of Cavco. I encourage you to review Cavco's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including without limitation, the company's most recent Forms 10-K and 10-Q, which identify specific factors that may cause actual results or events to differ materially from those described in the forward-looking statements. This conference call also contains time-sensitive information that is accurate only as of the date of this live broadcast, Friday, November 5th, 2021. Cavco undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statement, whether written or oral, to reflect actual events or circumstances after the date of this conference call, except as required by law.

Now I'd like to turn the call over to our Bill Boor, President and Chief Executive Officer. Bill?

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Thank you, Mark. Welcome and thank you for joining us today to review our results for the second quarter of fiscal year 2022. We're very happy to report another record quarter for revenue and earnings. Revenue increased 39% year-over-year, and diluted EPS was up nearly 150%. We also achieved a record housing gross margin of 24.1%. This was partly due to average selling price continuing its upward trajectory with a 13% sequential increase, and partly due to the temporary lull we saw in lumber and OSB pricing that flowed through our cost of goods sold during the quarter. Demand for our products remained strong and our backlogs continued to grow.

Excluding Commodore, backlogs were $828 million, and the acquisition added another $279 million, putting the total at $1.1 billion. This represents about 40-42 weeks of production. New home supply has lagged for many years, leading to a large housing deficit, particularly for lower cost homes. Demographics and low interest rates continue to underpin the strong demand we're experiencing. As the cost for supply and labor inputs increase, the efficiency advantages of factory-built housing relative to site-built are increasing as well. This all results in a very positive and growing opportunity for our industry. By any measure, we're seeing continued strong demand and can sell every house we can make. Regarding production, it won't surprise anyone on the call that supply issues have not let up, and they're affecting nearly every material we use to build homes.

Not much I can add to the information we're all hearing about availability of imports as well as domestically produced supplies. We have no ability to predict how long, but expect the situation will persist for some time. Our teams continue to do a great job managing through it and working to minimize the significant impact this has had on production. Labor difficulties also continue to negatively impact production. However, because of the holistic approach we've been taking to address root causes with fundamental and lasting solutions, we're beginning to see signs of improvement in staffing and retention. We've implemented increased wages and benefits, but equally as important, we are investing in recruiting, onboarding, and training processes. The labor issues faced by nearly all manufacturers are complex, and we're building systems and approaches that we believe will provide advantages long term.

That kind of fundamental systemic work is how we're building our team skills. In addition to this intense focus on labor solutions, our plant teams are continuing to simplify product offerings in order to increase volume for our customers. Strategically, we've pushed forward by taking action across the spectrum of our investment priorities. Our recent investment in Fort Worth is a great example of improving process flow to enable increased production. That investment is well on its way to improving throughput by approximately 20%. We're working to identify and pursue any opportunities to make similar investments across our network of plants. With regard to our previously announced Glendale project, we have incurred permitting delays that have moved our start of production to the second quarter of calendar year 2022. The good news is that we've now received the necessary permits and are executing on the build-out.

This project will both nearly double our park model production in Arizona and free up a production line for incremental HUD capacity at our Goodyear plant. On the acquisition front, we closed on the Commodore transaction during the quarter, a little ahead of the planned third quarter timeline. After just a month and a half since the closing, integration is going well, and we could not be happier about joining forces with the people at Commodore. Beyond the geographic expansion and 25% increase in capacity this deal brings, I remain as excited as ever about the manufacturing technologies and the best practices we'll be applying across the combined company. The challenges that have limited production have hidden the fact that our plants are improving their efficiencies.

For example, our hours per floor produced have improved this year as our plants demonstrate their ability to drive through this period of understaffing and intermittent high absenteeism. As we solve these issues and as supplies become more reliable, we're poised to see a new level of plant throughput. Strategically, we've not paused, and we're looking forward to playing an increasing role in addressing the affordable housing issues that are facing prospective home buyers. Today, we have our new CFO, Allison Aden, with us on the call. She's been here for just a couple of months now, and we're very happy to have her on board. With that, I'll turn it over to Allison to discuss the quarterly results in more detail.

Allison Aden
EVP and CFO, Cavco Industries

Thank you, Bill. We're pleased to report that Cavco achieved record-breaking net revenue results for the second fiscal quarter of 2022. Net revenues for the period were $359.5 million, 39.4% higher than the $258 million posted for the same quarter last year, and up 8.8% sequentially over the first quarter of fiscal 2022. Within the factory build housing segment, net revenue increased 42% to $342 million compared to $241 million in the prior year quarter. This increase was primarily due to a 35.3% uplift in average revenue per home sold, driven by product pricing increases to pass through rising material costs, as well as product mix shift to more multi-section homes.

In Q2 of fiscal 2022, units sold also increased 5% from the same period a year ago. Included in the Q2 revenue results was one week of activity for Commodore Homes of $4.4 million. Increases in home production levels continue to be somewhat muted as we face hiring challenges, unpredictable factory employee absenteeism, and supply chain disruption. Factory utilization for Q2 2022 was consistent with the Q1 2022 utilization rate of 75%, but was higher than the Q2 2021 utilization rate of 70%. Financial services segment net revenue increased 2.6% to $17.5 million from $17 million, primarily due to higher home loan sales volume, servicing income, and insurance policies in force compared to the prior year. In addition to year-over-year increases in revenue for the quarter, we also expanded our profit margin percentage.

Q2 2022 consolidated gross profit as a percentage of net revenue was 25%, up from 20.8% in the same period last year, a 420 basis point improvement. The increase is mainly the result of the factory built housing segment increasing to 24.1% in Q2 2022 versus 19.2% in Q2 2021. Most factories have been implementing product price increases at a rate greater than input cost increase, resulting in higher total gross margin dollars per home, while also expanding the gross margin percentage. Although lumber and other lumber-related product market prices have declined, with those benefits now being realized in cost of sales, these decreases have been mostly offset by other product price increases on many other input costs.

The gross margin from Commodore was not accretive in the period as inventory was written up to fair value through the application of purchase accounting as required by GAAP, resulting in no margin on the associated sales. We expect the remaining inventory at fair value to sell through toward the latter half of the third quarter. Gross margin as a percentage of revenue and financial services increased to 43.7% in Q2 2022 from 43.4% in Q2 2021 from fewer weather-related events in the current period, partially offset by unrealized losses on marketable equity securities compared to unrealized gain in the prior year period.

Selling, general, and administrative expenses in the second quarter of fiscal 2022 were $45.4 million or 12.6% of net revenue, compared to $35.5 million or 13.7% of net revenue during the same quarter last year. The increase is due to Commodore acquisition deal costs plus higher incentives and commission wages on higher earnings that were partially offset by the additional D&O insurance premium amortization of $2.1 million in the prior year quarter. Other income this quarter was $4.7 million, compared to $1.7 million in the prior year period. This increase was primarily driven by a one-time $3.3 million gain on the consolidation of a non-marketable equity investment that was increased from a 50% ownership level up to a 70% ownership level.

Pre-tax profit was up 150.2% this quarter to $49 million from $19.6 million from the prior year. The effective income tax rate was 23.1% for the second fiscal quarter, compared to 23.2% in the same period last year. New this quarter is a line item for net income that is attributable to the remaining 30% non-controlling interest in a non-marketable equity investment that we do not own. After deducting for that component, net income attributable to Cavco shareholders was up 150% to $37.6 million, compared to net income of $15 million in the same quarter of the prior year. Net income per diluted share this quarter was $4.06, versus $1.62 in last year's second quarter.

Now I'll turn it over to Paul to discuss the balance sheet.

Paul Bigbee
Chief Accounting Officer, Cavco Industries

Thanks, Allison. Comparing the October 2nd, 2021 balance sheet to April 3rd, 2021, the cash balance was $224.3 million, down $98 million from $322.3 million six months earlier. The decrease is primarily due to the acquisition of Commodore Homes, repurchases of common stock, and higher inventory purchases. These uses of cash were partially offset by net income, excluding the impact of non-cash items, changes in working capital, primarily related to higher accrued expenses and other current liability balances, and the sale of consumer loans greater than the loan originations. In general, across the board, we had increases in accounts receivable, commercial loans receivable, inventories, property, plant, and equipment, goodwill and intangibles, accounts payable, and accrued liabilities due to the acquisitions during the period.

Consumer loans receivable decreased related to principal collections on loans held for investment that were previously securitized. Prepaid and other assets were lower, as the other assets recorded for delinquent loans sold to Ginnie Mae has decreased due to lower forbearance rates. While we are not obligated to repurchase these loans, accounting guidance requires us to record an asset and liability for the potential of a repurchase at reporting periods. Accrued expenses and other current liability balances increased in addition to acquisition balances as a result of higher wage accruals from the deferral of payroll tax payments under the CARES Act and higher volume rebate accruals and customer deposits received as a result of the greater order rates. Redeemable non-controlling interest is a new line item that represents the value of the non-controlling shareholder's interest due to the consolidation of a non-marketable equity investment previously discussed.

Lastly, stockholders' equity was approximately $733.1 million as of October 2nd, up $49.5 million from $683.6 million as of April 3rd, 2021. With that, Bill, this completes the financial report.

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Thank you, Paul. Victor, let's turn it over for questions.

Operator

All right. To ask a question at this time, please press star, then the number one key on your phone. To withdraw your question, just press the pound key. Once again, that's star one for questions. One moment for questions. Our first question will come from the line of Daniel Moore from CJS Securities. You may begin.

Daniel Moore
Partner and Director of Research, CJS Securities

Thank you, Bill, Allison, and Paul. Good morning or good afternoon, depending on where you are, and thanks for taking questions. Let me start with gross margin. Obviously, very strong in the quarter, even given, you know, the raw material and other supply chain headwinds. Just talk about the sustainability of that level, as we look out into Q3 and Q4. Do you expect any pullback, or is that, you know, 25% type level, sustainable for the next few quarters, anyway?

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

I'll take a quick stab, and others here might wanna add to what I'll say. We did kind of catch the temporary drop in lumber and OSB during the quarter. While prices increased, and I think with long backlogs, there's every reason to expect that prices will hold, the cost of goods sold had a temporary dip in lumber and OSB, so we're already seeing that come up. The cost side is really the wild card that we can't predict very well. You know, maybe it'll turn again in our favor. But that's the thing that I think you really have to look at in the coming quarters if you're gonna try to predict what the gross margins will be. You guys have anything to add to that? It's a little bit hard to predict, though.

I think we've explained in the past how the costs have about a 30-60-day lag in hitting our cost of goods sold. If you follow those key commodity inputs, you can kind of get a sense for where their impact will lie in the P&L.

Paul Bigbee
Chief Accounting Officer, Cavco Industries

Really those good prices we find were in our P&L in the first two. In really August and September fully.

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yep.

Daniel Moore
Partner and Director of Research, CJS Securities

Helpful. Okay, understood. What are your expectations for production levels as we look out Q3 and into Q4, you know, given typical seasonality in some of the northern geographies as well as lingering supply chain challenges?

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yeah, I mean, that second part's kind of the key. I think we are getting, you know, showing a little bit of progress on stabilizing and growing the workforce. We've been understaffed for quite a while, but, you know, you hit on the key, which is supplies are the question mark. I don't think we're any different from anyone else in saying we don't see that just suddenly clearing up. That's really a governor on how high we'll be able to go with production. Seasonality, I think with the backlogs we have right at the moment, it shouldn't be a big impact to what we produce.

Daniel Moore
Partner and Director of Research, CJS Securities

Even in the Northeast, Midwest, those locales, they'll still kind of produce straight through if you have enough raw materials.

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

I think generally. I mean, we'll see some impact, but in the scheme of our total company production, it shouldn't be a huge factor.

Daniel Moore
Partner and Director of Research, CJS Securities

Perfect. I really appreciate the comments regarding improvements in throughput, you know, hours per floor. I know this question is a little theoretical, but if supply chain were not an issue, you know, how many more homes, either in numbers or percentages, do you think you could produce across the portfolio, including Commodore?

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yeah. Well, we feel really good about what the plants have demonstrated during, you know, a number of quarters now where they've really been shorthanded, both general staffing, you know, number of folks on the payroll, as well as absenteeism, which is hard to predict. We made a comment last quarter that I'll kind of reinforce that, you know, we're looking back in a lot of our internal comparisons to two years ago because it was pre-COVID and more of a stable grounding point for some analysis. You know, this quarter, we made a few more floors in the quarter production-wise than we did in a similar quarter two years ago. We did that with over 10% less production hours.

You know, that it gives us some optimism as we continue to get on top of labor that we should be able to to really kind of blow past pre-COVID levels of production. I'm not giving you the number you'd like to have because I don't know if I'll predict it, but we're looking to try to, you know, hold those efficiency gains as we staff up, and we should be able to get, you know, in our existing on a plant-by-plant basis, same plant basis, we should be able to exceed where we were before COVID. You'll remember too that even if you go back to 2019, we were in a pretty strong demand market, so we were generally making everything we could make.

Daniel Moore
Partner and Director of Research, CJS Securities

Understood. I appreciate that. Given the initiatives, some of the expansions, et cetera, do you have a target of how fast you can grow capacity? Again, excluding supply chain challenges, but, you know, how fast do you think, annualized, we should be able to sort of grow that capacity with, operating efficiencies, you know, greenfields, et cetera? Thanks again.

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate the question. I apologize that we don't really have a target because of the supply. I mean, we're so focused on kind of optimizing what we're doing. Well, managing the supply constraint, and at the same time, getting everything we can control internally focused on being ready to make as much as possible as supply limitations ease up. With that, I got to just be honest with you and say it's inside the company with that supply dynamic. It's very hard for us to say, you know, hypothetically, what's our target over the next several quarters for production. It's just a real challenge every day. You know, this is kind of a peek inside our mindset right now. We do think we're doing all the right things that are positioning us to, you know, not miss a beat.

You know, as much as supply will allow us, we'll be maximizing production.

Daniel Moore
Partner and Director of Research, CJS Securities

I will jump back into queue with a couple follow-ups. Thank you.

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Thanks, Dan.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Greg Palm from Craig-Hallum. You may begin.

Greg Palm
Senior Research Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Yeah, thanks. Congrats on the really good results here. May-

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Sure.

Greg Palm
Senior Research Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Maybe just starting on demand environment, just kind of curious if you could walk us through what you're seeing by channel. And do you think that you're starting to see some more material, you know, I guess, share gains versus site built, whether that's, you know, would-be consumers that are now sort of coming into your space versus traditional home?

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yeah. Demand channel by channel, I couldn't even differentiate it because it's strong across the board. We can't make enough. Frankly, we can't keep any of our customers happy right now. They'd all like to have more homes. They're all very strong. Remind me of the second part of your question.

Greg Palm
Senior Research Analyst, Craig-Hallum

I'm just kind of curious if you're seeing, you know, more share gains from site built?

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yeah. I mean, you can look at how the manufactured housing industry shipments have compared to new home sales. You know, they kind of bottomed out. I think I'm right about this. They kind of bottomed out during the pandemic at around 10%, and now we're up kind of in the mid-teens. Partly that's a statement of the challenges the site builders are having. But we've seen over quarter-over-quarter, the share increase pretty dramatically. That's due to a lot of things. We do believe that there's, you know, that interface we talk about a lot between what manufactured housing does as far as price points and what site builders do.

This point I tried to make in my prepared remarks about as input costs, including labor, go up, it's a challenge for us, but we're more efficient with those inputs. They're moving farther and farther away from being able to supply kind of the upper end of what we traditionally do. I really do think that we're capturing some of that space that they just can't hit at this point, and people are buying manufactured housing more and more. I think we're taking some share in that regard.

The flip side is if you flip over to the, you know, the folks that are just trying to get into a house at the lower end of what we do, that's where the story's kinda tough, because with price increases like they've been, you know, a lot of people are getting priced out at that lower end. Yeah, I do think that it's clear that, you know, manufactured housing and we are taking some share away from site-built right now. The other thing

Greg Palm
Senior Research Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Yeah.

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

I'll always point out, Greg, that, and I know this probably doesn't need to be said, but I always feel the need to say it. When you look at our industry shipments, it has for a while represented what we can make, not what demand is. If our industry could make more, we'd be even a higher share of new homes at this point.

Greg Palm
Senior Research Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Yeah. It's a good point as well. Looking at backlog, if my math is right, excluding Commodore, you're up a little bit sequentially, but a lot less so than your other, you know, publicly traded peer. Curious if you're, you know, being more selective in terms of order intake based on capacity levels or if there's anything else to call out there.

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yeah, I do think ours has been strong. Kind of a really good question 'cause I know people are trying to think, is there some differentiation across the industry about order pace? What I'll try to explain here is that, you know, during backlog, the orders we count in backlog compared to our total orders has some judgment in it, and we wanna manage our backlog to be as conservative as we think is reasonable, meaning, you know, as we all know, we're out, you know, many months in lead time.

When we get orders that are for really far out, in some cases, on a plant-by-plant basis, we'll make the decision to, you know, they're good orders, but we'll make the decision not to include them in our backlog as we look at it internally and as we report it to you all. It's a long-winded way of saying that during this quarter, we actually took a considerable number of orders and said, "Hey, they're so far out, let's take them out of our backlog number for now." Doesn't mean they're not good orders, doesn't mean we won't make them, but it's a bit of conservatism in case, you know, the market does change on us. Kind of a little bit apologetic that, you know, we report this backlog, and yet there is some art and judgment in it.

This quarter, we made a correction that makes it look like it grew a little bit less than if we hadn't made that correction. Hope that explains it a bit, and you might have some follow-up questions on that for us.

Greg Palm
Senior Research Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Yeah. I definitely do. That's interesting. Do you care to quantify exactly how much that amount might be?

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

I'm looking 'cause I don't have the number off the top of my head. Yeah, I don't think we have a quantification for you right now. It was a meaningful amount that we took out, and that's not real helpful.

Greg Palm
Senior Research Analyst, Craig-Hallum

And-

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

I guess I would say that I think my answer would be that our backlogs on a, if we hadn't made that correction, were very much in line with industry.

Greg Palm
Senior Research Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Do you not view those? I mean, it sounds like those are real orders, but-

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yeah.

Greg Palm
Senior Research Analyst, Craig-Hallum

What's the hesitancy of not putting them in the backlog? I'm just a little bit confused why-

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yeah.

Greg Palm
Senior Research Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Why you wanna exclude them if you do in fact think they're real orders.

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yeah, understandable. They're real orders. We plan to make them. It's an assessment we make to make sure that what we're looking at in the backlog is, I guess, a quality backlog, that it really wouldn't change if the industry did see a little bit of a pullback. We all know that orders can vanish, and we're not expecting that. We're not predicting a pullback in the industry. We're constantly evaluating the backlog to make sure that what we're looking at we feel like is a really conservative, high-quality backlog.

Greg Palm
Senior Research Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Interesting. Okay. That makes sense. If I could just spend a couple minutes on Commodore. I think there was some commentary on, you know, purchase accounting and the gross margin impact in the current quarter. Can you quantify what that was to the consolidated and what kind of impact do you expect in the current quarter as well?

Allison Aden
EVP and CFO, Cavco Industries

Yeah. I mean, basically, you know, given the timing of the closing date, we had five business days of Commodore operations, which was about $4.4 million in revenue, which we had mentioned. During an acquisition like this, you basically are required to apply purchase accounting and as you know, write up the inventory to the fair value, which negated any profitability in this particular quarter. But we do expect to sell through the inventory that we purchased kind of midway through this quarter to through the third quarter. We'd start seeing their margins uplift to levels that we had shared with you historically.

Greg Palm
Senior Research Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Okay. It sounded like there was also some one-time acquisition-related costs that my guess was included in OpEx. Can you quantify how much that was, assuming it was sort of one-time in nature? I guess-

Allison Aden
EVP and CFO, Cavco Industries

Yes.

Greg Palm
Senior Research Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Trying to figure out if there's any lingering items we need to think about in the current quarter as well.

Allison Aden
EVP and CFO, Cavco Industries

You're right. Absolutely. In SG&A, there would have been $2.1 million worth of deal costs associated with Commodore, which is essentially the large body of the cost associated with the deal.

Greg Palm
Senior Research Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Great. Okay. All right. I'll leave it there. Thanks for the help.

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Jay McCanless from Wedbush. You may begin.

Jay McCanless
Equity Research Analyst, Wedbush

Thanks. Good afternoon, everyone. I got three questions for you. The first one, in the original Commodore announcement, Cavco indicated that Commodore delivered 3,700 homes in the 12 months ended March 31st. I guess, did Commodore have the same jump in the backlog post, you know, post the initial COVID surge like Cavco and Sky did? And if so, what is Commodore's quarterly run rate on home sales now, assuming that they're having to work through a larger backlog like and production headwinds like legacy Cavco?

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yeah, we looked at the quarter increase, and it was very consistent with, you know, other increases, ours and others. Their backlog growth is very much in line with other numbers you guys are looking at. From a run rate perspective, they're basically pretty close to where they were pre-COVID. The 3,700, they're a little bit off the 3,700 because of some staffing challenges right now, but they're very much in line with where they were pre-COVID on their run rate.

Jay McCanless
Equity Research Analyst, Wedbush

Okay. Since they are in the Northeast, is there any seasonality we need to think about in how that 3,700 or 30, you know, below 3,700 falls out during the calendar year?

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yeah, I think they'll, you know, I'd mentioned earlier that for ours, I think when you spread it over our entire company, it's not that significant. Yeah, there are plants that are in the Northeast will have some seasonality. They do have the big backlogs right now, so they'll be running to the extent they can, to try to work those backlogs down. Sure, a little bit of production seasonality there.

Jay McCanless
Equity Research Analyst, Wedbush

Okay. In terms of the Commodore average price, I think it was roughly $70,000 based on that same release. Is that still the case or have they had a large step-up in price from when the press release came out?

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yeah, they've been increasing. I mean, their current price is a bit higher than that, their average selling price, both from increases that they've made in line with the rest of the industry and also, not to belabor the point, but we've mentioned a few times in previous discussions that they pursued a different pricing policy. They protected price in the backlog more than us and others in the industry. They're also getting an average selling price lift from working off that price-protected backlog.

Jay McCanless
Equity Research Analyst, Wedbush

Where are they sitting, $75,000, $80,000 on average now? Or, where are they shaking out?

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yeah, they're in the upper 70s.

Jay McCanless
Equity Research Analyst, Wedbush

Okay. I guess just on the mix for Cavco this quarter, you said there were more multi-section homes in there, but is that price that we saw this quarter a good number to use for the next couple quarters based on what's sitting in backlog?

Allison Aden
EVP and CFO, Cavco Industries

As we think about the price and the effect of price increases and the effect of the mix, predominantly the increase in price, the increase in ASP was due to pricing with some uplifts coming from mix, but probably more minor. You know, as we look forward, our factories you know, they continue to review pricing. But I think that we were successful in second quarter of really having all the factories now put in place increases to cover material cost uplifts. I would you know, currently, without any large changes to material costs that need to be passed through, we'd consider those somewhat consistent going into the third quarter with maybe some drift upwards from any shifts to more multi-sectional homes.

Jay McCanless
Equity Research Analyst, Wedbush

Okay. That's great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Thank you.

Operator

Once again, that's star one for questions. Our next question will be from Daniel Moore from CJS Securities. You may begin.

Daniel Moore
Partner and Director of Research, CJS Securities

Thanks again. Maybe one macro and one micro. The macro, earlier this week, we heard one of your competitors talk about the duration of land-home MH loans materially improving, going from kind of low 20s toward the more on par with stick-built in the kind of 30-year range, as well as new lenders coming into the MH financing arena. Are those trends consistent with what you're seeing? Just how significant is that from your perspective?

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yeah, absolutely consistent. We heard the comments as well, and would just kind of echo on, you know, extending the duration or the term on both land, home, and chattel lending is a big deal for affordability, and it really kind of helps offset the price increases and modest, but kind of threatened rate increases. So we're seeing exactly the same thing, and I think it's solid lending. You know, we're still seeing appropriate underwriting standards. I don't have any concerns in that regard. But these extensions really make a difference for people that generally buy on a monthly basis.

Daniel Moore
Partner and Director of Research, CJS Securities

Got it. You've talked about this in the past and a little bit earlier, but if you could elaborate on the opportunity to streamline products across facilities to share manufacturing techniques between Cavco and Commodore. You know, I don't know if there's an ability to quantify the potential uplift or benefit, but maybe any more detail on that, you know, as we look out over the next year or two would be helpful.

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yeah. On product simplification, I mean, when demand's like this and when our customers really are more, you know, they're more interested in getting the incremental homes than they are in customization and specialized product, we're, you know, we're deep into really focusing on product simplification. In some cases with long backlogs, you've already got a lot of orders that kind of broaden your product mix that you've got to work through. The benefits kind of come over time, but we're very focused on product simplification. It's a big deal for getting more throughput. We'll see gains continue from that perspective. It plays a part in, Dan, in what I talked about earlier, as far as getting more homes per employee hour produced.

You know, some of that is very much attributable to product simplification, so we're getting those gains. Now on the Commodore, you know, it's just you know, the idea flow has started already. You know, we've gotten together. We had a company-wide general managers meeting a few weeks ago that was just really created a lot of excitement and optimism for me. The information flow of best practices in both directions was you know, meaningful. Just thinking about the things that Commodore brings to us, we've talked in the past, I think it was when we announced the acquisition, we talked about some of the really good work they do around manufacturing technologies on the floor that you know, increase cycle times and reduce labor intensity. They're not easy gains.

They're things you have to really lay the groundwork for. I've said before, they're very dependent on having really solid engineering systems because that's the backbone that allows you to do some of what they're doing. We're gonna be able to reapply that stuff across our previous 19 plants. They're things like CNC routers and CNC cutting machines to make that process more efficient. They do some great work with laser projection that reduces errors on when you have to make cuts, for example, or when fastening floorboards, for example. Those are really. If they don't sound significant, they really are, and Commodore's been all over that kind of stuff.

You know, we only have them for a little over a month right now, but I think the attitudes and openness on both sides are encouraging, and I really think that we're gonna be able to add value in both directions pretty significantly over time.

Daniel Moore
Partner and Director of Research, CJS Securities

Great. I'll take a crack, but earlier this week, you filed a motion to dismiss the SEC's most recent action. Any comments there or thoughts around timing of when this might be kind of fully, finally put to rest?

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

To take a crack. I thought we might actually get through a call without that. I'm surprised.

Daniel Moore
Partner and Director of Research, CJS Securities

I saved it to the end.

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Yeah. Pretty serious subject, obviously. Yeah, I think when we talked to folks about the SEC complaint being filed, in an odd way, I kind of expressed that, you know, hey, it's a step toward resolution, and I continue to feel that way. What we filed earlier this week was really a very legally focused motion to dismiss. What I mean by that is we're not in litigation where we're arguing, you know, what the SEC proposed in their complaint as far as the facts of what happened. We believe that there are some legal issues with their act, their complaint. Our first step is what we filed this week to just challenge that and have a motion to dismiss. It's another step in the process.

We hope that that will be a successful step, but we're ready to go to litigation if that's where we end up, and we feel pretty confident in our position once that happens, if it does. It still continues to be very difficult to project when it would be resolved, but I think we can all tell that we're getting closer and closer to that date.

Daniel Moore
Partner and Director of Research, CJS Securities

All right. Thanks, Bill. Allison, welcome and look forward to speaking to you at our conference coming up shortly, and appreciate the color and again.

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Thanks, Dan.

Daniel Moore
Partner and Director of Research, CJS Securities

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. I'm not showing any further questions in the queue at this moment.

Bill Boor
President and CEO, Cavco Industries

Okay. Well, again, very happy to report on our record results in the quarter and also on the progress we continue to make on our strategic actions. We look forward to keeping everyone updated, and certainly thank you for your interest in Cavco.

Operator

This will conclude today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.

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