Good day. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Casella Waste Systems, Inc.'s fourth quarter 2022 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there'll be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you'll need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Charlie Wohlhuter, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you, Norma, and thank you everyone for joining us this morning. With us today are John Casella, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Casella Waste Systems, Ned Coletta, our President and Chief Financial Officer, Jason Mead, our Senior Vice President of Finance and Treasurer, and Sean Steves, our Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer of Solid Waste Operations. Today, we will be discussing our 2022 full year and fourth quarter results. These results were released yesterday afternoon. Along with a brief review of those results and an update on the company's activities and business environment, we will be answering your questions. First, I remind everyone that various remarks that we may make about the company's future expectations, plans, and prospects constitute forward-looking statements for the purposes of the safe harbor provisions under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by these forward-looking statements as a result of various important factors, including those discussed in the Risk Factors section of our most recent annual report on Form 10-K, which is on file with the SEC. In addition, any forward-looking statements represent our views only as of today and should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date. While we may elect to update forward-looking statements at some point in the future, we specifically disclaim any obligation to do so even if our views change. These forward-looking statements should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any date subsequent to today. Also, during this call, we will be referring to non-GAAP financial measures. These non-GAAP measures are not prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles.
Reconciliations of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures, to the extent they are available without unreasonable effort, are available in the appendix, in the appendix to our investor slide presentation, which is available in the Investors section of our website at ir.casella.com under the heading Events and Presentations. With that, I will now turn it over to John Casella, who will begin today's discussion.
Thanks, Charlie. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our fourth quarter 2022 conference call. This was a great year for our company, marked by strong execution during a period of historically high inflation, volatile recycling commodity market. I'd like to spend a few minutes highlighting our performance in 2022 and our forward look to 2023 and our strategies. Ned will provide some color on the quarter. I'd like to begin by saying that I'm extremely proud of the performance at all levels of the company during the year. Our entire team stepped up and executed well against our key strategies, which led us to achievement of several notable milestones. In a year, we surpassed $1 billion in revenue and also generated over $100 million in adjusted free cash flow for the first time in the company's history.
This reflects the focus and determination of our culture that our employees demonstrate every day and carry forward into 2023. Looking more closely at 2022, strong operating and pricing programs worked well to offset inflation. We grew revenues by 22%, adjusted EBITDA by nearly 21%. I'm also proud of our continued capital discipline execution against our growth strategies, which helped drive adjusted free cash flow growth of approximately 17% in a year, exceeding our long-term 2024 plan of 10%-15% growth per year. We laid out our 2024 plan last year. We set a target to optimistically grow revenues by $30 million or more per year through acquisitions or development activity. In 2022, we outperformed the goal and acquired 14 businesses with roughly $51 million of annualized revenues.
We currently have two potential acquisitions under LOI that we expect to close by sometime in the second quarter with total annual revenues of approximately $30 million. This re-reflects the continued strength of our acquisition pipeline. As I look to 2023, we remain well positioned to continue to grow the business in a disciplined manner while generating strong returns. With a strong balance sheet, low leverage, and ample liquidity, we're in excellent position to support the further growth in our business. In terms of the base business, the fundamentals are strong. However, in the fourth quarter, we experienced a headwind from commodities that was slightly greater than anticipated. This was mainly driven by several recycling contracts that we have acquired through acquisitions over the last couple of years, which do not yet have our modern risk mitigation features.
Over time, as these contracts reset, we intend to incorporate these mechanisms. As it relates to early 2023, we have rolled out another robust pricing program for the year to stay ahead of inflation. I'd now like to provide a brief review related to the execution against a few of our key strategies and the performance of our operations. We remain focused on improving the returns at our landfills through a combination of operating programs, pricing ahead of inflation, and key permitting initiatives that support the future disposal capacity needs of our customers and the markets in which we operate. Improving the mix of our inbound customers is a key area we are focused on. This year is measured through our average landfill, price per ton statistic, which is up 7.4% in the year, helping us offset wins from cost inflation and heightened regulatory costs.
In addition to price, volume, and operational strategies we have in place, we're excited to have two renewable natural gas operations coming online in 2023 through partnerships with third parties. These facilities further enhance our sustainability profile and present no financial risk as our partners invested 100% of the RNG capital at our sites. We will benefit from the sharing of cash flows related to these projects. The first facility is expected to begin operations in the second quarter of this year, followed by an anticipated start date at our second facility in the fourth quarter. Further, we are very excited about our McKean Landfill rail project. We received our wetlands permits and are moving forward with plans for rail service at the landfill beginning in 2024. This rail serve site provides much-needed long-term disposal outlet for our customers and for the Northeast.
Moving on to the collections business. 2022 marked an exceptional year for Sean and his team from an operating standpoint and for our collection line of business. We posted another strong year and exceeded our budget in both adjusted EBITDA growth and margin expansion. Our flexible pricing and operating programs worked well to offset inflation. As inflation began ramping early in 2022, we took quick action to address rising costs. We reported 7% collection price for the year. Our fuel cost recovery program worked well in the year and fully offset over $27 million of year-over-year increased fuel costs. This risk mitigation program is working as intended, but higher fuel costs did result in 40 basis points of margin headwind in the year. Our ongoing investments across the collection fleet are making positive contributions to productivity.
Replacing rear-load trucks with automated trucks and deploying onboard computers is driving value while improving safety and employee engagement. Nearly 50% of our addressable fleet is automated and equipped with computers. We expect the success of this operational strategy will continue as further investments are made in 2023. Resource solutions. Our business model is naturally has a natural alignment to sustainability. We continue to create additional value for our stakeholders by having measurable goals that enhance our focus on areas such as safety, turnover, resource solutions, tonnage, and so on. As our execution against these key metrics improve, so does our performance as a company. Last week, we closed on an amendment to our credit facility that links borrowing costs to progress in achieving our safety and resource solutions goals outlined in our recent sustainability report.
The sustainability-linked loan further strengthens our accountability and our alignment to these areas. Our resource solutions segment is important to achieving these goals. Ongoing technological investments at our recycling facilities are aimed at improving safety, recovery quality, increasing throughput, and reducing labor. In 2022, we invested in and installed robotics and optical sorters at several of our facilities. Further, our most significant upgrade is taking place at our Boston facility, which is one of the largest in the country. Over the last two or so years, we've invested approximately $20 million in new equipment and technology for this facility. The plant will be offline for several months this year as we expect the installation to be completed by mid-year 2023. Finally, I'd like to highlight our capital allocation and growth strategy.
We continue to have success executing against our growth strategy through our disciplined approach on targeting acquisitions and pursuing development projects that have strong return profiles. Our pipeline remains very robust with over $500 million in revenues of identified opportunities across our existing operating footprint. We are currently in the late stages for several acquisitions and expect another year of strong activity. On the project development side, as I mentioned, in 2023, we are looking forward to two RNG facilities coming online in addition to the finalization of equipment upgrade at our Boston recycling facility. On the heels of these projects, we expect our rail operations at our McKean Landfill to be operational sometime in 2024. Wrapping up, I'm proud of the success that we had in executing in 2022 against our key strategies. We have started 2023 on solid footing.
The building blocks are in place for us to continue to drive value while growing the business. With that, I'll turn it over to Ned.
Thanks, John. I'd also like to start by thanking our team for a very strong year. We beat our plan for the year despite the challenging backdrop of the historically high inflation, the rapidly rising fuel costs, and the significant drop in commodity prices. Thank you, everyone. Moving on to the quarter. Revenues in the fourth quarter were $272.1 million, up $30.3 million or 12.5% year-over-year, with 3.6% of the year-over-year change driven by acquisition activity and the remaining 8.9% or $21.6 million of the year-over-year change resulting from organic growth. Solid waste revenues were up 13.2% year-over-year, with price up 6.2%, acquisition growth of 2.2%.
Our fuel costs and recovery fees up 6.1%, partially offset by a 1% lower volumes. Seasonality is always a bit different from year to year, everyone who's followed this company knows that. This year, we experienced a weaker than expected volumes in the fourth quarter, mainly due to lower than forecasted landfill tons and roll-off pulls. However, landfill and roll-off volumes have rebounded sharply into January, and we're actually ahead in the month of January, where we were throughout those losses in the fourth quarter. Our solid waste price increases plus fees in the quarter were up 12.3% in total, adding the two categories together. Revenues in the collection line of business were up 16.5% year-over-year, with price up 6.7% and volume slightly down.
Revenues in the disposal line of business were up 7.6% year-over-year, with price up 5.4% and volume slightly down. As John discussed, our landfill average price per ton was up 6.7% as we continue to improve mix at our sites. Resource solutions revenues were up 10.6% year-over-year, with 7.5% growth from acquisitions, 6.9% volume growth, and 17% growth in processing fees and other price, partially offset by lower commodities down 21.5%. Commodity prices or the average commodity revenue per ton was down 67% year-over-year on lower cardboard, mixed paper pricing, lower metals, and lower plastics pricing. Commodity prices hit a high point in April of 2022 and then significantly declined sequentially through the remainder of the year.
Prices did stabilize December and now have risen into January. They're up about $5 a ton sequentially from December to January and are sitting ahead of our budget in the month of January. Adjusted EBITDA was $56.2 million in the quarter, up $4.8 million or 9.3% year-over-year, with $3.1 million of the growth driven by improvements in our base business and $1.7 million derived from the rollover impact of acquisitions completed. Given our strong performance in 2022, we had accrued a total of $2,500,000 during the third and fourth quarters for a special one-time bonus to all of our hourly frontline and back office employees that have worked hard to help us excel in this challenging environment. This bonus was paid out in early December.
Adjusted EBITDA margins were 20.7% in the quarter, down 60 basis points year-over-year. As we dig into that margin decline, it's important to really look at the categories. As we look at it, we did cover our inflation with our pricing programs. Our solid waste price was up 6.2%, offset by a 5.4% headwind from inflation excluding fuel. Other margin bridging items included 20 basis point improvement from our fuel recovery program due to timing differences. We had a 90 basis point headwind from recycling commodity prices, a 45 basis point headwind from the special bonus that we just discussed, and a 20 basis point headwind from lower volumes.
Solid waste adjusted EBITDA was $51.3 million in the quarter, up $7.6 million year-over-year, with strength in both in the collection and disposal lines of business. Resource solutions adjusted EBITDA was $4.6 million in the quarter, down $3 million year-over-year, with continued growth in industrial services business offset by lower performance in the recycling line of business. As John mentioned, our risk mitigating commodity programs, including the SRA fee for hauling customers and the processing fee or rebate structure or recycling facilities, continue to work well and offset most of the significant drop in commodity prices. Unfortunately, these programs are not fully implemented in several of the markets that we've acquired over the last two years that had legacy contracts that did not allow us to pass recycling risk back to customers.
These markets accounted for over 80% of the year-over-year adjusted EBITDA decline. As of December 31st, we had $603.5 million of debt, $71.2 million of cash, liquidity of $337.2 million. Our consolidated net leverage ratio was 2.08 times, and our average cash interest rate was approximately 3.6%. Our balance sheet is in great shape and position us well to continue to grow while also providing stability in this rising interest rate environment with our fixed interest rates on approximately 73% of our debt and our next major debt maturity not until 2025.
In recognition of our continued balance sheet improvements, we recently received one notch upgrades at both Standard & Poor's and Moody's. Also, as announced last week, we completed two amendments to our credit agreement, including the early adoption of term SOFR to replace LIBOR as the benchmark rate. As John mentioned, we instituted the sustainability-linked loan feature to further align our long-term sustainability goals with enhancing shareholder value. Adjusted free cash flow was $111.2 million for fiscal year 2022, up $15.9 million, or close to 17% year-over-year, with higher capital expenditures more than offset by higher net cash provided by operating activities, mainly driven by improved operating performance and a small improvement in our changes in assets and liabilities versus last year.
As stated in our press release yesterday afternoon, we announced guidance for fiscal 2023, and those ranges are laid out in our press release. Our guidance ranges for the year assume a stable economic environment continuing from the fourth quarter into the remainder of 2023. In addition, our 2023 guidance includes $15.5 million of revenue growth from the rollover of acquisitions already completed in 2022. However, as we mentioned in our press release, we have two acquisition targets with approximately $30 million of annualized revenues under letter of intent, and we expect to close on these transactions by the end of the second quarter. However, they are not included in our guidance for the year, and no other acquisitions are included in our guidance.
Our pricing programs continue to increase sequentially from late 2022 into 2023, and we expect solid waste pricing of positive 6%-7% in fiscal year 2023. We have already rolled out the vast majority of our planned pricing for 2023, and we have not experienced any meaningful pricing rollbacks, and our solid waste price for the month of January was over 8%. We believe that we have established appropriate pricing plan for 2023 that positions us well to offset inflationary headwinds while still improving margins through our investments in technology and core operating programs. Our internal rate of inflation is currently running at 5.4%, as I mentioned earlier. As discussed in previous quarters, if cost inflation increases further, we have great flexibility to advance pricing increases on roughly 70% of our collection book of business.
Overall, we expect adjusted EBITDA to be up 8.5%-10.9% year-over-year in our guidance, with roughly 50 basis points of margin expansion. We do expect margins to be down slightly in the first half of the year due to continued headwinds from recycling commodity prices. We do expect margins to be up in the second half of the year. We expect adjusted EBITDA growth to come in the following areas: the collection line of business up roughly $17 million-$20 million, disposal line of business up $10 million-$12 million, resource solutions down $2 million-$4 million, about two and a half million dollars of rollover benefit from acquisitions, and then some other kind of headwinds in the business due to cost increases of $5 million-$6 million.
Overall, we expect adjusted free cash flow to be up about 10% at the midpoint of our guidance range for 2023. We expect very strong flow-through from incremental EBITDA with a few cash flow headwinds, including cash interest up roughly $2,500,000 year-over-year, cash taxes up roughly $3 million, capping closure up $7 million as we cap at several active sites, and roughly $3 million of headwinds as delays in certain capital expenditures shifted cash outflows into early 2023 from late 2022. In closing, our team did an incredible job in fiscal year 2022, accelerating cost efficiency programs to help moderate inflation, realigning pricing plans to offset heightened costs, and ensuring that eligible customers were on our fuel cost recovery program and recycling risk management fees.
We are well-positioned to continue to execute in 2023 to grow our business through key strategic initiatives and drive long-term shareholder value. With that, I'd like to turn it back to the operator for questions.
Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you'll need to press star one one on your telephone. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please wait for your name to be announced. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Tyler Brown with Raymond James. Your line is now open.
Hey, good morning, guys. Can you hear me?
Good morning, Tyler.
Good morning, Tyler. Yes, we can hear you.
Yes. Okay, good. A little spotty on my cell service here. Just a quick clarification. Were the special bonuses included in the guidance?
Yeah, they were. That was something we knew about, Well, not the initial guidance for the year, but when we updated in Q3, we knew about them.
Okay. Just wanted to clarify that. Can we start a little bit with volume? You know, I think it was a little bit weak here. It sounded like there was some pull forward. You talked about 50 to 100 basis points of growth in 2023. Can you kind of split that out between collection and disposal?
Yeah. If, if you look at the fourth quarter, we were. You know, trends were weaker than we expected, and it was mainly at the landfills with tons and in the roll-off line of business. Not much weakness anywhere else. What's interesting is that weakness in the fourth quarter, we had about, you know, volumes down $1.8 million through the fourth quarter in a dollarized basis. All of that decline was more than offset in the month of January. As you know, in the Northeast, sometimes we get some strange weather patterns, strange seasonality, and we just saw a period of weakness that we didn't expect in the fourth quarter. But, you know, January bounced right back. Nothing, you know, broader economic that we see.
It's just more of a, you know, slowing trend into the fourth quarter and some nice trends from late December through mid-February here. Then, Jason, you wanna talk about next year?
Yeah. In terms of the breakout between collection and disposal, to your point, Tyler, in 2023, our guide is for solid waste, 50-100 basis points for the full year, and it's pretty equivalent between both collection and disposal. As we continue to advance price increases to stay ahead of inflation, we expect our volume increases in 2023 to be quite modest across both lines of business, 50-100 basis points. As Ned said, you know, January was a strong month to start the year.
Yeah. Okay, that's helpful. Then maybe shifting over to price. I know you guys have a unique mix. You have very little CPI-tied revenue. Pricing has decelerated for a couple quarters. Again, your peers have kind of seen an acceleration. Again, I get it, you're different. Just any comments on maybe.. You kind of talked about it in the preamble, but maybe the shape of pricing, because it sounds like it's gonna accelerate up into Q1, and then maybe does it fall off as the rest of the year? Just how does that kinda look from a modeling perspective?
Yeah. Right now in our guidance, we have the first half of the year at roughly, you know, 6.5%-7% range, and the second half of the year, like 6%-6.5%. As I mentioned earlier, we went to straight with more price, and we haven't seen, you know, significant rollbacks to date. You know, I think as we look back to 2023, we pushed a lot more. I mean, back to 2022, we pushed a lot more price in the February through June timeframe than we had planned to, as inflation took off. We eased up a bit into later in the year. We don't have a lot of natural contracts that reset on specific dates and have CPI-linked features, as you mentioned.
It's more of active pricing with our book of business. I think where we sat in the fourth quarter, we kinda sit there and look at our budget plans for the year. We've done elasticity studies. We know where we're headed with the price and the specific customers. We waited to just get our pricing plan out the door in December and January for 2023. We'll look at it into spring. If we need to course correct like we did in 2022, we'll do so.
Yeah. To be clear, were you running inflation, call it like mid-5%s- 6% in 2022, and is that about what you expect it to be in 2023 as of right now?
you know, we started the year a little lighter, kinda high 4%, and by Q2, we got into low 5% inflation range. By Q3, we were close to 6% inflation, and we're back down to about 5.4%. We've modeled into next year, Jason, 5%-ish.
Yeah.
5%.
5.5% first half of the year, and then moderating, through the year as we all hope and expect, closer to 5, maybe a little less than 5% by the end of the year, excluding fuel.
Yes. Okay. That's helpful. Just quickly on the capping and closure. Is this $11 million kind of the new run rate, or is it an idiosyncratic year of capping and closure? I'm just curious about that.
It's a unique year. We don't cap at landfills every year. There's just several sites that from a regulatory standpoint and from a build-out standpoint, we're capping this year. That change year-over-year, the plus $7 million change year-over-year, or plus $8 million, is pretty unique. I mean, that's not something we're spending money on each year. A little bit of a headwind to free cash flow there. As I mentioned also, there are some timing differences late in 2022, where some capital we expected to show up at the last minute rolled into 2023. It's about $3 million of free cash flow that showed up in 2022 that should have been in 2023.
There's no break to our long-term goal of achieving 10%-15% free cash flow growth. You know, these are dynamic times, and sometimes little numbers move a little from year to year, but the trend is there.
Okay, perfect. My last one here. On the $30 million under LOI, one, is that in core collection and disposal? two, is it in your core geography, or is it maybe a little bit outside? I'm just kinda curious.
it's actually in the core platform, in the Northeast, right down the middle of the fairway. It's in the core business as well.
Okay. Excellent. Thank you, guys.
Like mostly collection, recycling, transfer.
Perfect. Okay, thank you.
Thanks, Tyler.
Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Michael Hoffman with Stifel. Your line is now open.
Hey, thank you very much. I have to throw a fade towards my competitor there. That's a good question on the M&A, trying to figure out if you're buying GFL's Pennsylvania, Maryland, or Delaware assets. I'll ask it directly. Are you? No, don't answer that. margin bridge, can you break up what you think your individual business margin, the line of business What is the trend expected to get to the 50 basis points solid waste versus
Resource solutions. Can we bridge the whole company? Like how much of the 50 is fuel becoming a tailwind, things like that?
Oh, man. I'm not sure I can do it by line of business here.
I can give, I can maybe do it.
Can you do that a little better, Jason?
Why don't I start with some of the building blocks.
Yeah.
Michael. Hey, Michael. For next year, this isn't as specific as you would like, and we could always follow up after perhaps. In our guide for 2023, fuel is actually still a headwind, about 20 basis points, and that's primarily concentrated into the first quarter, first half of the year as fuel prices really didn't ramp fully until late Q1 of 2022. As the year progressed, we continued to offset more and more of that with our fuel recovery fees. Fuel, slight headwind next year of 20 basis points. Acquisition rollover of $15 million or $15.5 million of revenues and the associated EBITDA is about a 10 basis point headwind next year.
Recycling on lower commodity prices, again, primarily concentrated to the first half of the year is about a 15 basis point headwind. Those are three of our larger buckets for next year, all incorporated into our 50 basis points of margin expansion as part of our guidance.
The offset to get to the 50 is all price or is there something else?
Pricing-
Organic operating.
Operating programs, you know, volume rollover as well, as it relates to our resource solutions business outside of recycling too, Michael, which has been an area of growth for us over the last several years.
If I went into the line of business just high level and said the ending year margin was X, solid waste is gonna be up as an above average up because I've got to offset what I'm assuming is gonna be a negative for line of business full year resource solutions?
Yes. I mean.
It was a powerful statement. You've got a lot of operating leverage going through solid waste in 2023, given what you're doing.
Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I mean, looking at the model across our solid waste regions, we have some nice margin expansion. Resource Solutions is a margin detractor in the year as currently modeled, given what we mentioned earlier on the commodity side.
Yeah.
Frankly, you know, our risk mitigation programs are in great shape. As I mentioned earlier, it really is a handful of contracts have come over from a few of the acquisitions that bit us a bit. You look at the fourth quarter, recycling was down about two and a half million dollars just on commodities, and almost all of that came from just a couple handful of contracts. It sounds like Groundhog's Day back to, like, a number of years ago, where we had a few contracts in our base book of business that we had to reset. We did a great job, moved them to risk mitigating programs and have done really nice from that point forward.
To that end, could you update for us, because we stopped thinking about this for Casella because the SRA and the mix was kind of 90/10 SRA versus exposure. What is your $10 move in the commodity basket equals what in EBITDA today since that's now more of a factor?
Yeah. So it's for each $10 move, it's around $900,000. If you think about it, commodities dropped $110 a ton year-over-year. We definitely, you know, see that same correlation where we had commodities down about two and a half million dollars in the quarter. And that's a pretty significant drop, as you well know.
Yep.
Historically high, we shielded the vast majority of it. Of that drop right now, quite a bit of it's just coming from a handful of contracts in some of those acquired markets.
Okay. Could you share with us what was your average basket in 2022 and what's implied in guidance for your basket?
Yeah. I have the average basket for Q4, Jason. Do you have it for the full year? I have it where it is today.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah. I think that's maybe more important. For, as we look kind of, Michael, I think, you know, and within our guidance from, early 2023 through December 2023, we have recycling commodity prices up, about 20% through the year.
I think it's more important to talk about the dollars. We only have commodities coming up $14 a ton through the year. It sounds like a big percentage, but it's very low. We're sitting at about People calculate baskets much different ways. Within this basket that we look at, $64 a ton today, and it was roughly in December around $59 a ton, and we expect it to rebound to about $78 a ton through the year. The guide right now does not have much movement on recycling commodities. As an example, last year, we, for the full year, we are about $125 a ton. We really haven't taken much back through the guide on a recovery.
Okay. On the free cash flow bridge, is there possibly missing. It gave a lot of data there, a good guy in 2023 as I don't repeat the special bonus. Is there a headwind? You exceeded plan, so I'm assuming there's a cash bonus payout that's above plan in the spring, so that's a headwind. How do I think about those two?
Yeah. You know, I gave those kind of bridging items on EBITDA for each of the lines of business. Part of the good guy in 2023 in collection and disposal and even into resource solutions, this is embedded there for our employees. You're right, that is an implied headwind. It's not something that's guaranteed to be done again into the year. We did exceed bonus targets in 2022, there is a little bit higher cash outflow happening this spring as those payments are made. Once again, not a material bridging item, probably something with those bad guys I said would be a slight offset to, you know, cash interest or cash taxes adjacent to that number.
So in terms-
On the bonus side, the difference between year-over-year cash, or we can find that for you a little later.
Yeah. I think we should follow up on that.
Yeah, or, you know, just the one headwind in 2022 offset the headwind in 2023 because they, you know, they offset each other, so it's about that same number amount. Timing on McKean, will you start construction this summer if you've got your wetlands permit, so you'll be in a place to potentially be open before Boston renews in 2024?
I think it's a possibility, Michael. It really depends on the regulatory agencies. The permit that we're waiting on now is a solid waste permit. We've got both of our wetlands permits, and right now we're in the mix on our solid waste permit. Some of it depends on, you know, what happens with that permit, how long it takes to get through that process.
Does the guide include capital spending for the spur and things like that and the containers and all that? Will you adjust the guide when construction starts?
We have $10 million of capital in our guide right now, Michael, and as the year progresses, we'll look to update that number as needed.
That's a lot of the capital-.
there's-
-to get the first phase-
Yeah.
Up and going. To get the spurs built, to get the offload infrastructure built, some additional yellow iron at the landfill. We're aiming to first take in containerized MSW and then move to construction and demo debris later. We think that's a larger need across our customer base in the Northeast to be able to have a solution for MSW.
Should be the majority of it, at least for the first phase.
Yeah, phase.
phase I.
C&D is the majority of it.
No, no. MSW, I think John was referring to the capital.
To the capital.
Yeah.
$10 million that we have in the plan should be the majority of the capital that we need for phase one, which is the containerized MSW and getting into some C&D.
Oh, okay. That leads me to my last question, last two, is what's your thoughts about a two or three-year stack on free cash flow growth? Because, you know, things like this $10 million, I'm not I don't assume you repeat that $10 million in 2024. You know, I just wanna understand that there's a 10%-15% CAGR in the milestones. We're, you know, at the very low end of it this year, my sense is that, you know, I get back into the middle of that CAGR or upper end of it, even without M&A. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
Yeah. Michael, I think you're right. We made a comment earlier that we probably stole a tiny bit from 2023 into 2022, just given some of the capital expenditure timing issues. You know, as we mentioned a minute ago, some of the capping spend is really a little atypical this year. You know, I don't think 2023 is really too far off of that general growth rate, and we don't see other factors that impact it over the next couple of years. We're really confident that we can continue to grow within that growth rate. You know, the middle half of the range on organic growth, pushing to the upper half of the range with acquisitions or above the range with acquisition activity.
The last one, just so I think about cadence on pricing. You know, if you've opened the year at an 8%, is it fair to say that maybe 1Q is an 8%, 2's a 7%, 3's a 6%, 4's a 5%, and that averages to 6.5%? I know you said 6%-6.5% is an average for the second half, so I'm a little below that, but that's.
Yeah.
the way to think.
Yeah. We're a little ahead of it. The 8%'s a little ahead of what was planned. You know, we were planning the first half of the year, you know, like 6.5%-7%, second half of the year, 6%-6.5%. Hopefully, this price sticks in the marketplace, and we're able to exceed that plan and drop a bit more to margins.
Okay.
If we have to react, we'll react, right? I mean, if we have to react as we did in 2022, we will with additional price if need be from an inflationary standpoint.
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you, Michael.
Thanks, Michael.
Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you'll need to press star one one. Our next question comes from the line of Sean Eastman with KeyBank. Your line is open.
Hey, guys. This is Nick on for Sean today. I was just wondering if you could give an update on some of the permitting for Highland and Yates and sort of how that's going. I know you called out some regulatory issues you were fighting with just in the previous year. Any color on that would be appreciated.
Yeah. I mean, I think that Sam and the engineering team, permitting team continue to move forward with permitting. As I said previously, we've got our wetlands permit for McKean, which were a big lift, and now we're in the solid waste permit, which should be somewhat straightforward. Then with regard to Highland and Yates, just continue to move through the process with both facilities. Nothing, you know, nothing out of the ordinary, no big surprises. Continue to move forward on permitting on both those facilities.
Awesome. Thank you.
Thank you. At this time, I'd like to hand the conference back to Mr. John Casella for closing remarks.
Thanks everybody for joining us today. Appreciate all of your participation. We look forward to discussing our first quarter 2023 earnings in April. Thanks, everybody. Have a great weekend and a good holiday. Thank you.
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