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Earnings Call: Q2 2020

Aug 6, 2020

Speaker 1

Good afternoon, and welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the Cytom Kinetics Second Quarter 2020 Conference Call. At this time, I'd like to inform you that this call is being recorded and that all participants are in a listen only mode. At the company's request, we will open the call for questions and answers after the presentation. Would now like to turn the call over to Diane Weiser, iDokinetic's Senior Vice President of Corporate Communications and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Good afternoon, and thanks for joining us on the call today. Robert Blum, our President and Chief Executive Officer, will kick off the call with an overview of the quarter and our recent progress. Then Fady Malik, our EVP of Research and Development, will provide updates on key developments for omecamtiv mecarbil, our cardiac myosin activator being developed under our collaboration with Amgen and the expanded and accelerated development plan for CK-two seventy four, our next in class cardiac myosin inhibitor. Next, Stuart Kupfer, our SVP and Chief Medical Officer, will update on recent progress with CK-two seventy four in Redwood HCM as well as CK-two seventy four, our additional cardiac myosin inhibitor. Then Robert Wong, our VP and Chief Accounting Officer, will provide an overview of the quarter and Qing Zha, our SVP and Chief Financial Officer, will discuss our updated financial guidance in the context of recent corporate development activities before Robert Blum provides concluding thoughts on the company's outlook and expected key milestones for the remainder of the year.

Please note that portions of the following discussion, including our responses to questions, contain statements that relate to future events and performance rather than historical facts and constitute forward looking statements. Our actual results might differ materially from those projected in these forward looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those in these forward looking statements is contained in our SEC filings. We undertake no obligation to update any forward looking statements after this call. And now, I will turn the call over to Robert.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Diane, and thanks again to everyone for joining us on the call today. It was a productive second quarter and the momentum continues into this Q3. Many of you have had the opportunity to participate in calls relating to our licensing collaboration and royalty monetization transactions, followed by our Investor and Analyst Day event last month. We shared a lot of information on those calls just a few weeks ago, so we'll try not to be too repetitive today. There's no doubt that this is truly a transformative time in our company's maturation, and I couldn't be more proud of the high level of strategic execution demonstrated by our leadership team.

The combination of licensing, royalty monetization and equity capital market deals we transacted fortifies our expected cash balance sheet at year end to over 500,000,000 and ensures our strong financial position as we approach top line results of GALACTIC HF, one of the largest Phase 3 global cardiovascular outcomes trials in heart failure, which is being conducted by Amgen under our long standing collaboration. These deals, considered alongside our previously announced renegotiation of our Astellas agreement, enables us to continue readiness and implementation activities related to the potential commercialization of omecamtiv mecarbil as well as concurrently planned for the advancement of CK-two seventy four and reldesemtiv, all within the context of our vision 2025. In addition to having the opportunity to co commercialize omecamtiv mecarbil in partnership with Amgen, these recent deals enable us to continue to control the development of CK-two seventy four and reldesemtiv through an expanded set of pivotal clinical trials, while retaining full rights in North America, Europe and Japan for our shareholders. It's particularly gratifying when our R and D strategies can synchronize with and enable the corporate development and business development strategy. Cytokinetics continues to leverage our innovative science through partnerships to maximize opportunities across the breadth and depth of our pipeline of investigational medicines focused to muscle biology.

And with that, I'll turn the call over to Fady to elaborate on key developments for omecamtiv mecarbil and CK-two seventy four.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Robert. We and Amgen made significant progress during the quarter despite the coronavirus pandemic. As we previously explained, we are in a fortunate position with the conduct of GALACTIC HF given how advanced we are in trial conduct. Amgen adapted the conduct of the trial to enable delivery of investigational product to patients' homes and the conduct of study visits and to conduct study visits remotely for collection of study endpoints. As a reminder, none of the trials main endpoints, including heart failure events, Ocular Questionnaire at week 24 are dependent on patients physically visiting clinical trial sites.

Now as we approach the completion of the trial, Amgen in collaboration with Cytokinetics continues to work steadfastly on trial closeout activities. The trial remains blinded as final events continue to accrue and we head towards final data collection and database lock. We expect to soon accrue the final event to close out GALACTIC HF in Q3, and we remain on track to report top line results of GALACTIC HF in Q4. Regarding METEORIC HF, the 2nd Phase 3 trial of omecamtiv mecarbil in patients with heart failure, I'm pleased to say that despite the suspension of enrollment earlier in the quarter due to the coronavirus pandemic, we resumed screening and enrollment in June and in partnership with our clinical trial site. Out of the 9 countries participating in METEORIC HF, 4 are actively recruiting and we expect the remaining 5 to come online later in this Q3.

We now have approximately 75% of our targeted 92 sites activated in the United States, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Hungary and the Netherlands. Recruiting has resumed, and we're very grateful to our clinical trial site personnel for their collaboration to ensure the health and safety of trial participants through the conduct of this trial. As we have stated, results from METEORIC HF are not on the critical path to submitting regulatory filings for the potential approval of omecamtiv mecarbil. And instead, if the findings from METEORIC HF are supportive, it would be included in a supplemental filing following the potential commercial launch predicated on expected results from GALACTIC HF. We now expect to complete enrollment of METEORIC HF in early 2021.

Given the growing health economic burden of heart failure worldwide, we remain enthusiastic about the promise of omecamtiv mecarbil. The novel mechanism of action of our potential medicine works in an entirely different way from currently available therapies and has the potential to become foundational to standard of care. Of note, during the quarter, the FDA granted Fast Track designation to omecamtiv mecarbil, which may potentially lead to an expedited review. We also collaborated with Amgen and Servier on preparations for a potential marketing application dossier for omecamtiv mecarbil and prepared for possible meetings with regulatory authorities as maybe requested to discuss Phase 3 trial results and potential marketing applications. Turning now to our cardiac myosin inhibitor program.

It's an exciting time as we expand and accelerate this development program. As Robert mentioned regarding the licensing collaboration and royalty monetization deals with Fujishin Pharmaceuticals and RTW Investments, they enable us to develop CK-two seventy four in multiple indications in parallel, as well as across a wider span of geographies. In terms of specifics regarding the development program associated with CK-two seventy four, these deals provide support to conduct a planned Phase III clinical trial of our next in class myosin inhibitor in patients with obstructive ATM in North America, Europe and with our partner in China, promptly after we have results from Redwood HCM and receive feedback from regulatory authorities. Our current goal is to initiate a Phase III registration program for CK-two seventy four in obstructive HCM in late 2021, and we are working with our new partner, Jixin, to enable concurrent development in China. In parallel, we're planning for the conduct of clinical trials of CK-two seventy four in non obstructive HCF, HCM and in a subgroup of heart failure patients with preserved ejection fraction or HFpEF also in the 2021 or 2022 timeframe.

To sum up, the deals in July reinforce our commitment to rapidly and broadly advance our cardiac myosin inhibitor program with the intent to potentially deliver the next in class medicine that can meaningfully impact the underlying challenges of patients suffering from hypertrophic cardiomyopathies and hep death related to the hypercontractility of cardiac muscle. Now I'm going to turn it over to Stuart to provide an update on Redwood HCM as well as our plans for a Phase 1 study of CK-two seventy one, our 2nd cardiac myosin inhibitor.

Speaker 5

Thank you, Fady. I'm pleased to report that following the brief suspension in enrollment due to the coronavirus pandemic, during the Q2, we resumed screening and patient enrollment in Redwood HCM in collaboration with our CRO and clinical trial site partners. As you know, Redwood HCM is the Phase 2 clinical trial of CK-two seventy four in obstructive HCM. We activated many sites in the 2nd quarter and expect to have approximately 25 of the 27 total sites activated and enrolling patients in the U. S.

And Europe by the end of Q3. Screening and enrollment have increased recently, and we're glad that the ongoing preparatory work that went on behind the scenes during the brief trial suspension is paying off. While the trial was not enrolling, sites were still being activated, patients were identified and screening visits were scheduled through coordination between our CROs and the sites. We're now seeing new centers enrolling patients and some sites have multiple patients in their screening queue. We plan to enroll 18 patients in the first cohort and we expect to have data to inform progression to Cohort 2 by the end of this year.

During the quarter, we and others were pleased to see results of EXPLORER, a Phase III clinical trial readout positively, which provides encouraging validation for the mechanism cardiac myosin inhibition in patients with obstructive HCM and affords optimism for an impactful new potential therapy for these patients. As good students of clinical development, we have an opportunity to apply lessons from EXPLORER to our clinical development program and further advance the field as we progressed CK-two seventy four in obstructive and non obstructive HCM as well as in a subgroup of HFpEF patients with hypercontractility of cardiac muscle. Given the potential advantages of CK-two seventy four as an following a recent setback due to a resurgence of coronavirus cases in the vicinity of our Phase I site, we now plan to begin screening in the first cohort during this quarter. As a reminder, the primary objective of this first in human Phase I study is to assess the safety and tolerability and pharmacokinetics of single ascending oral doses of CK-two seventy one in healthy adult subjects. Finally, Cytokinetics was pleased to support the patient focused drug development meeting for HCM patients hosted by the HCMA.

This important meeting shed light on the extraordinary burden of disease and the challenges patients endure on a daily basis. There is no doubt the unmet need for new therapies to treat hypertrophic cardiomyopathy is great, and we applaud HCMA for bringing this issue to the forefront. And with that, I'll turn it over to Robert Wong, who will provide an update on our financials.

Speaker 6

Thanks, Stuart. I'll first provide an update on cash, revenue and spending, and then Ching will review our progress toward corporate development strategies. More details on our actual results for the Q2 are included in the press release, which was released earlier this afternoon. We ended the Q2 with approximately $213,000,000 in cash and investments. Our revenues in Q2 2020 came from our strategic alliances with Amgen and Astellas.

For Amgen, we recognized revenue associated with their reimbursement of our development expenses related to METEORIC HF. For Astellas, we recognize revenue for their reimbursement of expenses related to our scientists engaged in collaborative research. Our Q2 2020 R and D expenses decreased to $21,800,000 from $24,000,000 in the Q2 of 2019, primarily due to lower spending related to our neuromuscular development activities with the completion of FORTITUDE ALS in 2019, offset by increased activities related to Redwood HCM in 2020. More than 50% of our R and D expenses were attributable to our cardiovascular programs as expected, given activity for METEORIC HF and the cardiac myosin inhibitor program, and the remainder of our expenses were attributable primarily to our early research activities. Our 2nd quarter 2020 G and A expenses were $14,200,000 up from $9,800,000 in Q2 2019 due primarily to higher personnel related costs, including stock based compensation and higher outside services for pre commercial activity.

And now, Qing will review progress in connection with corporate development strategy.

Speaker 7

Thanks, Robert. As we have discussed, we have been working with our management team and our Board over the past year to ensure that our financial position is solid as we transition the company into a fully integrated biopharmaceutical organization. With our recent business development, royalty monetization and equity offering transactions, we are well positioned financially to operationalize the fund to operationalize and fund near term to mid term projects and initiatives. To recap our cash position, we ended the 2nd quarter with $213,000,000 cash and will add $160,000,000 of additional capital upon closing of the modernization of Malukanton royalty, plus $90,000,000 in additional capital available at our option from the RTW transactions. In addition, we raised approximately $190,000,000 through our recent equity offering net of expenses.

We expect to end 2020 with more than $500,000,000 in cash plus committed cash subject to closing conditions. The company also updated financial guidance for 2020. We still anticipate cash revenue will be in the range of $18,000,000 to 22,000,000 dollars and operating expenses will be in the range of $120,000,000 to $130,000,000 However, we have narrowed our range for projected full year net cash utilization to be $110,000,000 to $115,000,000 While we will not give formal guidance for 2021 until our Q4 earnings call, we expect to end this year with more than $500,000,000 on the balance sheet, which we anticipate will represent more than 3 years of forward cash even as we expand the development program for CK-two seventy four alongside plans to co promote omecanselmecarbil with Amgen. If results of GALACTIC HF are positive in Q4, we can anticipate milestone payments over the next 12 to 18 months. Plus, upon its commercialization, royalties on tier worldwide sales of omecamtivacarbil outside Japan that might exceed 20% with a lower royalty rate in Japan.

The recent transactions we completed further enable us to leverage our partnership with NGEN to build our commercial business. And in parallel, we have the capital to expand our biopharmaceutical research platform

Speaker 3

with a

Speaker 7

goal of doubling the size of our development pipeline over the next 5 years as we have outlined in our Vision 2025. And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Robert Bong.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Ching. It was indeed a productive quarter, and we continue to build momentum into the second half of this year. To pick up on Xing's earlier comments regarding the potential commercialization of omecamtiv mecarbil, Amgen and Cytokinetics expect to leverage the strengths of both companies to educate the heart failure community about potential clinical effects and the economics of omecamtiv mecarbil and how it may be positioned in the continuum of care. Through our co promotion with Amgen, we expect to conduct a coordinated field deployment strategy, leveraging a reach and frequency approach in institutional accounts in North America. Toward that end, recently conducted analyses relating to the United States Heart Failure Institutional Care Market segment, including potential target account assessment and prioritization for our planned commercialization.

We also continue to conduct commercial readiness activities in collaboration with Amgen in preparation for the commercialization of omecamtiv mecarbil, including market research related to product branding elements, potential positioning, physician preferences and potential customer accounts. And finally, we continued our collaboration with providers and healthcare systems to generate health economics and outcomes research related to the healthcare costs associated with the treatment of heart failure patients. Regarding heart failure education, as we discussed at our recent Investor and Analyst Day, we initiated a disease state education program to educate the heart failure community on the unmet needs of heart failure patients and explain how contractility drives cardiac performance in HFREF. And importantly, the commercial operations we're building to support omecamtiv mecarbil funded largely by Amgen can be leveraged to commercialize PK-two seventy four if successful in North America and Europe. And furthermore, our recent transactions with RTW and Jixing Pharmaceuticals accelerate our development programs and expand our geographic reach, while preserving opportunities for further leverage to potential additional partnerships.

Finally, in the Q2, on the neuromuscular front, we continue to prepare for the potential advancement of reldesemtiv to a Phase 3 clinical trial in patients with ALS, and we engage with clinical experts and patient advocates and health technology assessment organizations to secure feedback on endpoints and other matters relating to the design of the trial. We also received advice from EMA through protocol assistance for the Phase 3 trial. And also during the quarter, we announced the continuation of our long standing partnership with the ALS Association in the fight against ALS, Again, further evidence of our steadfast commitment to this courageous and inspiring patient population. In summary, Cytokinetics is well positioned to continue to execute against our vision 2025 as we look forward to what we believe is a transformative time in the company's maturation leading into the end of this year and our expected results from GALACTIC HF in Q4. Now let me recap our expected milestones for 2020.

For omecamtiv mecarbil, we expect top line results from GALACTIC HF in the Q4 and we expect enrollment in METEORIC HF in patients with heart failure to be completed in early 2021. For AMG 594, the Phase 1 study of AMG 594 is now complete with data analyses ongoing. Amgen and Cytokinetics are discussing next steps in the development program. For CK-two seventy four, we expect to complete enrollment in the first cohort of Redwood HCM and to have data to inform progression of the trial to the 2nd cohort by the end of 2020. For CK-two seventy one, we expect to initiate a Phase 1 study in Q3 2020.

For reldesemtiv, we expect to continue to prepare for a potential Phase 3 clinical trial and registration program in patients with ALS. And for our ongoing research, we expect to continue research activities directed to the cardiac and skeletal sarcomere and our other muscle biology research programs, and we expect to continue research in collaboration with Astellas directed to the discovery of next generation skeletal sarcomere muscle activators through 2020. And operator, with that, we can now open up the call please to questions.

Speaker 1

And your first question comes from the line of Dane Leone with Raymond James.

Speaker 3

Hi, Jade.

Speaker 8

Questions. So maybe starting with me, we've gotten questions in from the investment community posted deal on 274. Just trying to think strategically from your point of view as you advance 271, how you would manage 2 assets with a similar MOA in the clinic at the same time and how they might differentiate on indication if you've thought that far ahead? And then the second one for me would just be anything you can give us for setting the table on the Redwood HCM readout for cohort 1 by the end of the year And how you think about the key data points that you'll be looking at that you would want investors to focus on as well? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Sure. I'll start and then turn it over to Fady and maybe Fady will turn it over to Stuart. We've got two questions there, one with regard to 2/71. So as has been our history at Cytokinetics, and you're just getting to know us a bit, but we've always been advancing lead compounds, backups, follow ons and diversify both chemical and pharmacokinetic space for mechanisms of action that we look to bring through clinical research. That's why we call it clinical research because obviously there's opportunity to expand and diversify.

With regard to CK-two seventy four, we're committed to, as you've heard, obstructive and non obstructive as well as we're considering PEPPEP. And as far as CK-two seventy one is concerned, it really depends on the profile. Things we'll learn about CK-two seventy four, but also CK-two seventy one that may enable us to consider a broader development program. We're also advancing other compounds from the same program, different mechanisms, different properties, such that we might expect to see other compounds enter the clinic. So I'll let that be enough for me and maybe ask Patti to elaborate and also answer your second question relating to what data we'll look at at Redwood in order to inform the 2nd cohort?

Speaker 4

Yes. I think you covered the first question, Robert. 2/71, I think that the data come out of its Phase 1 trial. And as we start to see more data on 274, we'll begin to form strategy with those 2 compounds. With regard to Redwood HCM, maybe I'll turn it over to Stuart, who's been very closely overseeing the progress of that study and to discuss what our strategy will be towards the end of the year in terms of data and next steps.

Speaker 5

Thank you, Patty. So as we mentioned, we plan to have results of Cohort 1 by the end of the year. The main objective of this study is really safety and tolerability. So we'll be primarily focused on those safety endpoints. But strategically, we're very much focused on this individualized dosing strategy that we've incorporated into the study design, because there will be quite a spectrum of disease severity in the population we're enrolling.

So we anticipate depending on the patient's individual pathophysiology or severity that the doses may vary depending on the individual patient. But in terms of pharmacodynamic endpoints, we'll be looking at improvement of the left ventricular outflow tract gradient that in this patient population contributes quite substantially to heart failure symptoms and poor cardiac function. As well as looking at signs and symptoms, other pharmacodynamic endpoints like NT proBNP. So the totality of the data from the study then will give us a readout on the range of doses we're studying in cohort 1 and then those data will inform progression to a higher dose range that we're planning in Cohort 2.

Speaker 8

Great. Just one clarification on my first question, sorry. I think investors are just trying to understand whether there is anything preclusive legally within the RTW agreement from 271 being developed in the same indications. Sorry, I just want to clarify that.

Speaker 3

Sorry. There's nothing in our agreement that precludes our ability to develop CK-two seventy one as we see fit, but we have no intention right now. Right now, CK-two seventy one still needs to be characterized in Phase 1 as does CK-two seventy four in Phase 2. So our goal is to be advancing multiple compounds forward, as I mentioned. And we'll learn about these compounds, physiochemical properties and otherwise, in order to ensure that, we can lead in this space across different types of indications, different types of subtypes of patients, etcetera.

So to your question, no, there's nothing that precludes us.

Speaker 9

Excellent. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Hung with Morgan Stanley.

Speaker 4

Hi, Jeff. Thanks for

Speaker 10

hey, thanks for taking the questions.

Speaker 9

You indicated that AMG 594 Phase 1 is complete. When might we see the data from the study? And are you likely to move forward in only one indication? Or is it likely that you'll proceed in parallel in multiple indications like CK-two seventy four? And then I have a follow-up.

Speaker 3

Yes, very good question. So we're right now in the process of receiving and evaluating and analyzing those data. And that's a process that is really just at its beginnings. As far as Phase 2 indications are concerned, we're thinking broadly here. We've been undergoing an exercise that includes market research and working with key opinion leaders, clinical assessments, clinical trial design, endpoint evaluation, all sorts of things that might inform a broad development program that could be encompassing of many different indications recognizing that as a cardiac muscle activator, there are many different directions we could go, both that address large market opportunities as well as what might otherwise be referred to as more specialized care segments.

So we're thinking about that with Amgen and in a way that we'll probably have more to say about all this later in the year. But in the meantime, it's still at the paper and pencil exercise level.

Speaker 10

And so when you said later this year, is that when

Speaker 9

we might see aspects of the Phase 1 data or?

Speaker 3

Yes. I suspect that as we'll make certain decisions, we'll be in a position to share data that could be supportive of those decisions.

Speaker 10

Okay, great. And then as a follow on to the previous question, I recognize

Speaker 9

you still need to characterize CK-two seventy one in humans. But maybe if you can talk about the differences in the profile from the preclinical data between CK-two seventy one and CK-two seventy four? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Matti, do you want to take that?

Speaker 4

I can take that. Yes, I mean pre clinically, PK-two seventy four and then 2 seventy one have similar mechanisms of action. Primarily, there are differences a little bit in terms of the steepness of the exposure response relationship between 2 molecules and also their pharmacokinetics are a bit different preclinically as well, which is the reason that we advanced it and to get a little diversity of PK and PKPD in the clinic and use that to inform advancement of our this mechanism of action in patients as well as provide the opportunity to split indications or other things that we might think about. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Jason Butler with JMP Securities.

Speaker 3

Hi, Jason.

Speaker 1

And Jason, your line is open.

Speaker 3

Jason, are you there? Operator, looks like we might have lost Jason. Maybe he can go back in the queue and we can go to the next one.

Speaker 1

Okay. Your next question comes from the line of Charles Duncan with Cantor.

Speaker 4

Hi, Charles.

Speaker 11

Hi, Robert and team, COVID be darned. You guys have made a lot of Congratulations. I had a quick question on Omecamtiv timing and then on strategy. First of all, regarding Omecamtiv timing, Fady did a great job laying out kind of what to expect. But I'm kind of wondering in terms of assuming success in GALACTIC, when would you anticipate being able to file an NDA?

Is all the CMC done? Would you anticipate being able to conduct a meeting, a pre NDA meeting with the agency before, say, mid Q1 of next year?

Speaker 3

Patty, I'll turn that over to you and I'll elaborate afterwards.

Speaker 4

Sure. Hi, Charles. I think I can say that Amgen and Cytokinetics has been preparing very aggressively for in the past couple of years for a potential NDA filing. So everything has been accelerated to shorten the time as much as possible between trial results and the filing of an NDA. So I think you would see a the results are supportive and the path forward looks clear.

I think you would see us moving forward to an NDA filing quite early or quite rapidly. There isn't really anything I would say that is, other than the results that needs to be in our hands in order to progress an NDA filing.

Speaker 3

Yes. And just maybe to elaborate a little bit, these work streams to Fady's point have been going on for quite a while and both companies working diligently on preparing study reports and ensuring that they all get quality controlled. It's not just for what would be the U. S. Filing, but also outside the U.

S. And I think this is a credit to the collaboration that we've been engaging very proactively in these work streams, recognizing we do want to move swiftly to enable potential approvals. The drug has a fast track designation, as you know, and that could be enabling of a faster review time as well. So all these things are aligned with expectations that we need to be in a position to be ready to co commercialize as soon as possible in 2021.

Speaker 11

Okay. And that's very helpful. And then quick question on strategy in Asia. I know you updated the partnership couple of years ago to include Japan, but I can't recall what is the plan for other Asian countries such as China. Can you provide color?

Speaker 3

Sure. So the collaboration we have with Amgen is a worldwide collaboration and includes China. It previously excluded Japan. But as you mentioned in 2013, it was expanded to include Japan. So now it is truly worldwide, and not just between Amgen and Cytokinetics, but with our consent, Amgen also provided a sublicense to Servier in Europe and other Commonwealth independent states to be enabling of what will be the muscle, pardon the pun, of Servier in order to be a commercial partner in areas where they have specific expertise.

Our role in co commercialization is a global role. It's a worldwide role. It spans all countries and that's under the commercialization oversight of a joint commercialization committee. Our co promotion role is a North American role and where we will have sales and marketing people focused will be in North America. Our royalty is earned on worldwide sales.

Hope that helps.

Speaker 11

Okay. It does. I like to punt last question for Ching. Ching, you were laying out cash position at the end of this year. And I'm not sure if you misspoke or I misheard more likely the latter that at the end of 2021 you may also end the year with $500,000,000 and I'm assuming that includes some assumption about milestones and perhaps even royalties.

Is that was that the case or did I mishear that?

Speaker 7

No, Charles, what I heard what I said was we will end 2020 was more than 500,000,000 dollars I didn't say anything about 2021.

Speaker 11

Okay. That's clear. But you did mention milestones and potentially royalties in next 12 to 18 months, correct?

Speaker 7

Yes, that is correct. And that's associated with omecamtivocal if collected were to be positive.

Speaker 11

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Charles.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Joseph Pangenas with H. C. Wainwright.

Speaker 3

Hello, Joe.

Speaker 12

Hello, guys. This is Manuela calling for Joe Pantginis. Thanks for taking the question. I have a couple. I was wondering if you can give us a little bit more color on the results of the analysis you are the marketing analysis you are performing and the commercialization activities.

Like, I guess, I'm trying to understand within the heart failure population, which segment of patients you are targeting 1st and who is going to get the who is going to get to the county first?

Speaker 3

Sure. So there'll be a time when we can be more specific and elaborate on this. But in a general sense, what I can say is the following, that we're looking at where Cytokinetics, a company with more limited access to capital and resources, can put forward a commercial organization that can be highly effective to drive the business and in institutional care segments where there is high volume heart failure. And some of these are accounts that might be unique to Cytokinetics, some of them might be ones that are shared with Amgen, but we're looking at this from a strategic standpoint, where do we think we can be most impactful for the opportunity in terms of education awareness and pull through And where might that also provide advantages and pay dividends down the road for us in connection with our interest with regard to CK-two seventy four, where similarly it's a concentrated customer care segment where there's high overlap with heart failure high volume centers and where these centers of excellence will be treating a majority of the HCM patients. So we're looking at that nexus, if you will, between heart failure and HCM in order to drive our strategy, albeit recognizing that there's still work to be done between us and Amgen to align and agree on next steps with regard to our co promotion.

And that's something that we're discussing with Amgen with the goal of having more granularity and clarity on all of this by the end of this year.

Speaker 12

Got it. Thank you. And regarding speaking of Amgen, I saw on clinicalcarrier.gov that Amgen has opened a post trial access study, where the county's access will be provided to patients who participated in GALACTIC HF. The trial is not active yet, but I was wondering if this is a follow-up like a kind of a longer term follow-up trial, like I was wondering what you're trying to achieve with these longer?

Speaker 3

Yes. So this is a strategy that I'll ask Patti to speak to and elaborate on. Obviously, this is something that is dependent on results from GALACTIC as those will be known in the Q4.

Speaker 11

Yes.

Speaker 4

Yes. There are, certain countries in the world where post trial access is mandatory for patients that are enrolled in clinical trials in those jurisdictions. And so we have a post trial access program that is being put in place to roll those patients into it after they completed GALACTIC and if the results are supportive of continued dosing. It's not necessarily intended to be a worldwide study across every single country, but we'll be coming to those countries where it's a requirement.

Speaker 12

Got it. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Ted Tenthoff with Piper Sandler.

Speaker 13

Great. Thank you very much. Sorry about the noise in the background. Thanks, T for the update on cardio. I'm going to ask about reldesemtiv and just see if we can have any update there or what the latest is with thinking will just tell us.

Thanks.

Speaker 3

Pardon me, I was on mute. So it's a very good question. And as we've been consistent across different communications, it is the case that we continue to prepare for a potential Phase 3 trial. And as we mentioned, a lot of activities during the Q2 in recognition of that. I'm very pleased with the feedback we're getting from both FDA and EMA, which is very aligned with the trial design and endpoints that we have in mind.

We circled with HTAs in Europe in order to get a sense of how they value these endpoints in accordance with a potential trial. All these things are pointing to the fact that were we to do a trial, it would be received well by the ALS community and it's one that from a practicality standpoint, design, timeline and budget, we have our arms around. But recognizing that, we haven't committed to do the trial yet, as we've indicated, that's going to be awaiting seeing the GALACTIC results in order to really understand what's our runway, what's our cost of capital, what's our ability to finish what we start. And that continues to be a trial that we would like to do if we can and recognizing all things considered, but one that we have not yet committed to.

Speaker 13

Great. I can appreciate that. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Salim Syed with Mizuho.

Speaker 3

Hello, Salim.

Speaker 14

Hey, guys. This is Dennis Ding on for Selim. Thanks for taking the questions and congrats on all the progress. I have two questions, if I may. The first question is on GALACTIC.

So around half the GALACTIC patients had a history of ischemia. And I guess the heart presumably should have less functional tissue. And like even after REVAS, I feel like it should have less functional tissue. So I guess what data have you seen that gives you the confidence you'll be able to show the same clinical benefit in this group? And then my second question is on HCM specifically.

How are you thinking about the opportunity in Europe? How does the EMA think about the Phase 3 endpoints? And is something like peak VO2 like the right endpoint? And thanks for taking the questions.

Speaker 3

Sure. I think I'll ask Scotty to answer both of those, please.

Speaker 4

Sure. The with regards to the first question, the data that support an effect in both ischemic and nonischemic cardiomyopathies come from the I mean from COSMIC where you look at the effect of omicansiv mecarbil in those patient subgroups and what you essentially saw were very similar effects on the measures of improvements in cardiac function, the changes in volumes, changes in NT proBNP. While there are fewer muscle cells potentially in patients that have ischemic cardiomyopathy, just you have to recall there is generally still lots of viable myocardium, myocardium that is left hypertrophies and gets bigger. And so, they can still augment their function in response to drug lipo camptamecarbil. And we've seen that also in earlier trials, specific COSMIC.

So I think there's the rationale to expect benefit in both types of subgroups. Can you repeat your second question, please?

Speaker 14

Yes, sure. I guess the HCM opportunity in Europe, like how are you thinking about it in terms of Phase III? How does the EMA think about Phase III endpoints, something like peak VO2 like a proper endpoint?

Speaker 4

It's a good question. And I think from it's still a bit early for us to comment on what EMA may think about endpoints in Phase 3. We're planning we have engaged them initially and we plan to engage them more deeply in the coming months. We plan for a Phase 3 that would be conducted both in Europe and the U. S.

There's clearly a guidance that comes out of Europe, functional improvements in patients with heart failure or with ATM are certainly approval endpoints. And it's maybe a question of how you define function or symptoms. And right now, I think we're still in the phase of learning what their vision or what their opinions on that are.

Speaker 14

Got it. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Chad Messer with Needham.

Speaker 3

Hi, Chad.

Speaker 10

Hi. Thanks for taking my question and congratulations on all the recent progress. I mean, given the time and effort it took to get here, I would already have been ecstatic just to be on a call 1 quarter away from omecamtiv data, but have you guys so well positioned with the rest of the pipeline going into that is truly fantastic.

Speaker 3

We've known us for a very long time, Chad. So it's gratifying, I know, to be able to share this with you and looking forward to the results later in the year, to be sure.

Speaker 10

Likewise. Maybe a bigger picture question on your Vision 2025. Part of that is to not kind of stop at the programs we've been talking about today, but keep going and having 10 drugs in development by then, which given how prolific your drug discovery engine has been, it's aggressive, but certainly feasible. And I know in your corporate deck, you kind of talk about you kind of talk about branching out away from your focus on contractility to muscle energy and metabolism. You've learned a couple of weeks ago that you've been working on inhibitors of skeletal protein parasites, all the stuff.

Can you maybe speak broadly to some of these areas and what kinds of conditions you can address by going after this new biology?

Speaker 3

It's a very good question. And I'll start, but better for you to hear from Fady on this. We've taken an approach and you've known us for a long time in this way, where we never wanted to be a company that was going to pivot on one product, one indication. And it's taken us a very long time, obviously, to get to where we are now. But at the same time, we're enabled both financially and operationally and with a pipeline to be able to build, we hope, a very sustainable and durable business that grows with the science and continues to innovate and bring forward new medicines.

With that said, it's important to be self aware and to understand where we think we can have a competitive advantage and be leaders. And that's where we pioneered and continue to lead in the area of contractility of muscle, which by itself has afforded us a very broad pipeline, which could go well beyond even the indications we've been speaking about for the compounds that are in clinical trials. Reldesemtiv by itself could be a pipeline in and of itself, and to this point, we've really been focused to, as you know, ALS and possibly SMA. But we also want to make sure that we're constantly listening to the marketplace as well as patients. And that's where we think we've established a leadership position as it relates to the biomechanics of muscle that extends also to how muscle is a pivot point in energetics growth and metabolism and other indications, but still should remain within our cardiovascular and neuromuscular vertical.

So we're going to continue to invest in pipeline cardiovascular and neuromuscular. And as we spun out, as you saw, another company recently based on things we discovered, those are going to be more tangential and more going to be monetized in other ways in order to be enabling of our leadership in these verticals. Now with that said, we have to be thinking biologically as well as from the marketplace, and that's where Fady and his colleagues have put together a very good roadmap as we move beyond the contractility of muscle to include mitochondrial biology. And maybe he can speak to some of those thoughts and ideas as we are thinking about where we go from 5 products in development to as many as 10 development programs by 2025?

Speaker 4

Thanks, Robert. Chad, it's a very good question. And as Robert said, we've been leveraging the biology of sarcomere for nearly 20 years now and have developed a pipeline of activators of cardiac muscle, inhibitors of cardiac muscle, activators of skeletal muscle and the that pipeline is maturing in the clinic. There are certainly other opportunities within the sarcomere and we'll continue to take advantage of our leading expertise in that muscle structure. But we have a lot of programs in that area now.

And as we're thinking of how can we move to another important feature of muscle, which is how does muscle generate energy. And muscle is chock full of mitochondria, it's critical for heart health and skeletal muscle health. Obviously, mitochondria are not muscle specific, but there's certainly muscle specific applications of mitochondrial biology. And we're going to we've already been doing this for a while, we'll begin to see some programs emerge from that space in the coming years.

Speaker 3

And Chad, just one other point to mention is that we'll continue with what has been the hallmark of our productivity to look for those kinds of measures that we can observe preclinically and through the clinic pharmacodynamically that can read on function and because we believe that's important to inform what ultimately will matter to patients. As we think about function and performance, quality of life and health span, this is where our muscle activators, our muscle inhibitors, these drug candidates read on not only morbidity and mortality, but things that ultimately will define health span, especially as play to an aging demographic. And that's where we see our business constantly evolving.

Speaker 10

Yes. No, that's great. And it's really good to see you guys thinking so strategically and being in such a good position to sort of plan ahead for many years of progress. But by the way, it's hauntingly familiar, this idea of spinning preclinical compounds into a new company that you incubate in exchange for equity and royalties? I have a sneaking suspicion this is something that could work out for you.

Speaker 3

Well, thank you for noticing, but it does play into our corporate development strategy that there are things that we should be doing and things we can't always be doing ourselves, but that's not to say that there aren't opportunities to monetize them down the road.

Speaker 10

Yes. Let's see if it works again.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Chad.

Speaker 10

Thanks, Chad.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Jason Butler with JMP Securities.

Speaker 3

Hi, Jason. Welcome back. Jason, can you hear us?

Speaker 1

Jason, your line is open.

Speaker 3

Operator, sounds like we might have lost it again.

Speaker 1

Okay. And there are no further questions at this time.

Speaker 3

Okay. Well, thank you. Thanks very much to everybody on the call today. Thank you for your continued interest in what we're doing. And obviously, this past quarter was, I think some of the best evidence yet of our ability to execute, in alignment between our R and D strategies and our corporate development strategies from the standpoint of financial engineering and also operationalize to enable what we think will be an expansion and acceleration of our development programs, still maintaining good fiscal discipline, good cash runway and also ensuring that we can build our pipeline.

We're coming into the second half of the year with expected results from GALACTIC HF in the Q4. Obviously, we're very optimistic and hopeful as that will be further transformative for our business. We look forward to keeping you updated on that progress. And with that operator, we can conclude the call. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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