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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

Feb 2, 2022

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the first quarter 2022 earnings conference call for D.R. Horton, America's Builder, the largest builder in the United States. I will now turn the call over to Jessica Hansen, Vice President of Investor Relations for D.R. Horton.

Jessica Hansen
VP of Investor Relations, D.R. Horton

Thank you, Holly, and good morning. Welcome to our call to discuss our results for the first quarter of fiscal 2022. Before we get started, today's call includes forward-looking statements as defined by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Although D.R. Horton believes any such statements are based on reasonable assumptions, there is no assurance that actual outcomes will not be materially different. All forward-looking statements are based upon information available to D.R. Horton on the date of this conference call, and D.R. Horton does not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements. Additional information about factors that could lead to material changes in performance is contained in D.R. Horton's Annual Report on Form 10-K, which is filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

This morning's earnings release can be found on our website at investor.drhorton.com, and we plan to file our 10-Q later today or tomorrow. After this call, we will post updated investor and supplementary data presentations to our investor relations site on the Presentation section under News and Events for your reference. Now, I will turn the call over to David Auld, our President and CEO.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

Thank you, Jessica, and good morning. I am pleased to also be joined on this call by Mike Murray and Paul Romanowski, our Executive Vice Presidents and Co-Chief Operating Officers, and Bill Wheat, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. The D.R. Horton team delivered an outstanding first quarter, highlighted by a 48% increase in earnings to $3.17 per diluted share. Our consolidated pre-tax income increased 45% to $1.5 billion on a 19% increase in revenues, and our consolidated pre-tax profit margin improved 380 basis points to 21.2%. Our homebuilding return on inventory for the trailing twelve months ended December 31 was 38.5%, and our consolidated return on equity for the same period was 32.4%.

These results reflect our experienced teams, their production capabilities, and our ability to leverage D.R. Horton's scale across our broad geographic footprint. Even with the recent rise in mortgage rates, housing market conditions remain very robust, and we are focused on maximizing returns while continuing to increase our market share. There are still significant challenges in the supply chain, including shortages in certain building materials and a very tight labor market. We are focused on building the infrastructure and processes to support a higher level of home starts while working to stabilize and then reduce construction cycle times to our historical norms. After starting construction on 25,500 homes this quarter, our homes and inventory increased 30% from a year ago to 54,800 homes, with only 1,000 unsold completed homes across the nation.

Our January home starts and net sales orders were in line with our targets, and we are well-positioned to achieve double-digit volume growth in 2022. We believe our strong balance sheet, liquidity, and low leverage position us very well to operate effectively through changing economic conditions. We plan to maintain our flexible operational and financial position by generating strong cash flows from our homebuilding operations while managing our product offerings, incentives, home pricing, sales pace, and inventory levels to optimize returns. Mike?

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Earnings for the first quarter of fiscal 2022 increased 48%- $3.17 per diluted share compared to $2.14 per share in the prior year quarter. Net income for the quarter increased 44%- $1.1 billion compared to $792 million. Our first quarter home sales revenues increased 17%- $6.7 billion on 18,396 homes closed, up from $5.7 billion on 18,739 homes closed in the prior year. Our average closing price for the quarter was $361,800, up 19% from the prior year quarter, while the average size of our homes closed was down 1%. Paul?

Paul J. Romanowski
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Our net sales orders in the first quarter increased 5% to 21,522 homes, while the value increased 29% from the prior year to $8.3 billion. A year ago, our first quarter net sales orders were up 56% due to the surge in housing demand during the first year of the pandemic, when we had significantly more completed homes available to sell and prior to the significant supply chain challenges we've experienced since. Our average number of active selling communities decreased 3% from the prior year quarter and was up 3% sequentially. Our average sales price on net sales orders in the first quarter was $383,600, up 22% from the prior year quarter.

The cancellation rate for the first quarter was 15%, down from 18% in the prior year quarter. New home demand remains very strong despite the recent rise in mortgage rates. Our local teams are continuing to sell homes later in the construction cycle, so we can better ensure the certainty of the home close date for our home buyers, with virtually no sales occurring prior to start of home construction. We plan to continue managing our sales pace in the same manner during the spring, and we expect our number of net sales orders in our second quarter to be equal to the same quarter in the prior year, or up by no more than a low single-digit percentage.

Our January home sales and net sales order volume were in line with our plans, and we are well positioned to deliver double-digit volume growth in fiscal 2022 with 29,300 homes in backlog, 54,800 homes in inventory, a robust lot supply, and strong trade and supplier relationships. Bill?

Bill W. Wheat
EVP and CFO, D.R. Horton

Our gross profit margin on home sales revenues in the first quarter was 27.4%, up 50 basis points sequentially from the September quarter. The increase in our gross margin from September to December reflects the broad strength of the housing market. The strong demand for homes, combined with a limited supply, has allowed us to continue to raise prices and maintain a very low level of sales incentives in most of our communities. On a per sq ft basis, our home sales revenues were up 3.4% sequentially, while our cost of sales per sq ft increased 2.9%. We expect our construction and lot costs will continue to increase. However, with the strength of today's market conditions, we expect to offset most cost pressures with price increases in the near term.

We currently expect our home sales gross margin in the second quarter to be similar to or slightly better than the first quarter. Jessica?

Jessica Hansen
VP of Investor Relations, D.R. Horton

In the first quarter, homebuilding SG&A expense as a percentage of revenues was 7.5%, down 40 basis points from 7.9% in the prior year quarter. Our homebuilding SG&A expense as a percentage of revenues was lower than any first quarter in our history, and we remain focused on controlling our SG&A while ensuring that our infrastructure adequately supports our business. Paul?

Paul J. Romanowski
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

We have increased our housing inventory in response to the strength of demand and are focused on expanding our production capabilities further. We started 25,500 homes during the quarter, up 12% from the first quarter last year, bringing our trailing 12 month starts to 94,200 homes. We ended the quarter with 54,800 homes in inventory, up 30% from a year ago. 25,600 of our total homes at 31st December were unsold, of which only 1,000 were completed. Our average construction cycle time for homes closed in the first quarter has increased by almost two weeks since our fourth quarter and two months from a year ago.

Although we have not seen much improvement in the supply chain yet, we are focused on working to stabilize and then reduce our construction cycle times to historical norms. Mike?

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

As of 31st December our homebuilding lot position consisted of approximately 550,000 lots, of which 24% were owned and 76% were controlled through purchase contracts. 23% of our total owned lots are finished, and at least 47% of our controlled lots are or will be finished when we purchase them. Our growing and capital-efficient lot portfolio is a key to our strong competitive position and is supporting our efforts to increase our production volume to meet demand. Our first quarter homebuilding investments in lots, land, and development totaled $2.2 billion, of which $1.2 billion was for finished lots, $570 million was for land development, and $390 million was to acquire land. Paul?

Paul J. Romanowski
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Forestar, our majority-owned residential lot development company, operates in 55 markets across 23 states. Forestar continues to execute extremely well and now expects to grow its lot deliveries this year to a range of 19,500-20,000 lots, with a pre-tax profit margin of 13.5%-14%. At 31st December , Forestar's owned and controlled lot position increased 33% from a year ago to 103,300 lots. 58% of Forestar's own lots are under contract with D.R. Horton or subject to a right of first offer based on executed purchase and sale agreements. $330 million of our finished lots purchased in the first quarter were from Forestar. Forestar is separately capitalized from D.R.

Forestar and had approximately $500 million of liquidity at quarter end, with a net debt-to-capital ratio of 33.9%. With its current capitalization, strong lot supply, and relationship with D.R. Horton, Forestar plans to continue profitably growing their business. Bill?

Bill W. Wheat
EVP and CFO, D.R. Horton

Financial Services' pretax income in the first quarter was $67.1 million, with a pretax profit margin of 36.4%, compared to $84.1 million and 44.9% in the prior year quarter. For the quarter, 98% of our mortgage company's loan originations related to homes closed by our homebuilding operations, and our mortgage company handled the financing for 66% of our homebuyers. FHA and VA loans accounted for 44% of the mortgage company's volume. Borrowers originating loans with DHI Mortgage this quarter had an average FICO score of 721 and an average loan-to-value ratio of 88%. First-time homebuyers represented 55% of the closings handled by the mortgage company this quarter. Mike?

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Our Rental Operations generated pretax income of $70.1 million on revenues of $156.5 million in the first quarter, compared to $8.6 million of pretax income on revenues of $31.8 million in the same quarter of fiscal 2021. Our rental property inventory as of 31st December was $1.2 billion compared to $386 million a year ago. We sold one multifamily rental property of 350 units for $76.2 million during the quarter. There were no sales of multifamily rental properties during the prior year quarter. We sold two single-family rental properties totaling 225 homes during the quarter for $80.3 million compared to one property sold in the prior year quarter for $31.8 million.

At December 31st, our rental property inventory included $519 million of multifamily rental properties and $642 million of single-family rental properties. As a reminder, our multifamily and single-family rental sales and inventories are reported in our Rental segment and are not included in our Homebuilding segment's homes closed, revenues, or inventories. In fiscal 2022, we continue to expect our Rental Operations to generate more than $700 million in revenues. We also expect to grow the inventory investment in our rental platform by more than $1 billion this year based on our current projects in development and our significant pipeline of future projects. We are positioning our Rental Operations to be a significant contributor to our revenues, profits, and returns in future years. Bill?

Bill W. Wheat
EVP and CFO, D.R. Horton

Our balanced capital approach focuses on being disciplined, flexible, and opportunistic. During the three months into December, our cash used in home building operations was $115 million as we invested significant operating capital to increase our homes and inventory to meet the current strong demand. At December 31st, we had $4.1 billion of home building liquidity, consisting of $2.1 billion of unrestricted home building cash and $2 billion of available capacity on our home building revolving credit facility. We believe this level of home building cash and liquidity is appropriate to support the scale and activity of our business and to provide flexibility to adjust to changing market conditions. Our home building leverage was 17.3% at the end of December, and home building leverage net of cash was 6.9%.

Our consolidated leverage at December 31st was 25.1%, and consolidated leverage net of cash was 15.2%. At December 31st, our stockholders' equity was $15.7 billion, and book value per share was $44.25, up 29% from a year ago. For the trailing twelve months into December, our return on equity was 32.4% compared to 24.4% a year ago. During the quarter, we paid cash dividends of $80.1 million, and our board has declared a quarterly dividend at the same level as last quarter to be paid in February. We repurchased 2.7 million shares of common stock for $278.2 million during the quarter. Our remaining share repurchase authorization at December 31 was $268 million.

We remain committed to returning capital to our shareholders through both dividends and share repurchases on a consistent basis and to reducing our outstanding share count each fiscal year. Jessica?

Jessica Hansen
VP of Investor Relations, D.R. Horton

As we look forward to the second quarter of fiscal 2022, we are expecting market conditions to remain similar with strong demand from homebuyers, but continuing supply chain challenges. We expect to generate consolidated revenues in our March quarter of $7.3 billion-$7.7 billion and homes closed by our home building operations to be in a range between 19,000 and 20,000 homes. We expect our home sales gross margin in the second quarter to be approximately 27.5% and home building SG&A as a percentage of revenues in the second quarter to be approximately 7.5%. We anticipate the Financial Services pre-tax profit margin in the range of 30%-35%, and we expect our income tax rate to be approximately 24% in the second quarter.

For the full fiscal year, we continue to expect to close between 90,000 and 92,000 homes, while we now expect to generate consolidated revenues of $34.5 billion-$35.5 billion. We forecast an income tax rate for fiscal 2022 of approximately 24%, and we also continue to expect that our share repurchases will reduce our outstanding share count by approximately 2% at the end of fiscal 2022 compared to the end of fiscal 2021. We still expect to generate positive cash flow from our home building operations this year after our investments in home building inventories to support double-digit growth.

We will then continue to balance our cash flow utilization priorities among increasing the investment in our Rental Operations, maintaining conservative homebuilding leverage and strong liquidity, paying an increased dividend, and consistently repurchasing shares. David?

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

In closing, our results reflect our experienced teams and production capabilities, industry-leading market share, broad geographic footprint, and diverse product offerings across multiple brands. Our strong balance sheet, liquidity, and low leverage provide us with significant financial flexibility to capitalize on today's robust market and to effectively operate in changing economic conditions. We plan to maintain our disciplined approach to investing capital to enhance the long-term value of the company, which includes returning capital to our shareholders through both dividend and share repurchases on a consistent basis. Thank you to the entire D.R. Horton team for your focus and hard work. We are incredibly well positioned to continue growing and improving our operations in 2022. This concludes our prepared remarks. We will now host questions.

Jessica Hansen
VP of Investor Relations, D.R. Horton

Holly, can you open the line for questions, please?

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the floor is now open for questions. If you have any questions or comments, please Press Star one on your phone at this time. We would like to remind participants to please limit themselves to one question and one follow-up each. We also would like to ask that while posing your question, you please pick up your handset if listening on speakerphone to provide optimum sound quality. Please hold while we poll for questions. Your first question for today is coming from John Lovallo with UBS. John, your line is live.

John Lovallo
Products Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for taking my questions. The first one, gross margins across the industry have risen to levels that are, you know, probably not sustainable over the longer term. I guess the question is, you know, do you believe that this kind of mid- to high-20% margin range could persist at DHI for, you know, maybe a couple of years? You know, as we move forward, what has structurally changed, in your opinion, that would allow you to have trend margins that are, you know, maybe 100-200 basis points above the historical average?

Jessica Hansen
VP of Investor Relations, D.R. Horton

Sure, John. We're very pleased with where our gross margins have gotten through this cycle. Certainly the strength in the market has been a large driver of that. We probably would never sit here today and say that those are sustainable, you know, at these levels through cycles. Typically, gross margin does get somewhat competed away when markets soften. That being said, we're at extremely strong levels today and can still generate very strong returns even with some margin compression, and we'll continue to meet the market over time. In terms of what we believe is sustainable, though, compared to our historical averages, certainly we're carrying less interest in our cost of sales today. With what we've done from a deleveraging and our balance sheet focus, we would expect that to be a sustainable cost advantage.

There's scale advantages with where we've gotten in terms of our volume and our building efficiencies with our labor trades and our material suppliers. We would expect some component of the scale advantages to be sustainable as well.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

John, we talk a little bit about this. Internally, we talk a lot about it. The industry is changing. It's just a much more disciplined industry than it was through the last cycle. As we gain in market share, as the other publics gain in market share, there's just less, at least in my mind, my expectation is there'll be less volatility in this cycle ups and downs. It's just they're real businesses today, not speculators.

John Lovallo
Products Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Okay. My second question. You know, in an environment where rates are likely to rise here, what do you view as the strategic advantages of, you know, implementing a predominantly spec-focused building model, you know, and targeting entry-level buyers, perhaps maybe, you know, versus a built to order model targeting better financed buyers?

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

First of all, John, what we would say is that we're able to more closely time the application for the mortgage, the qualification for the mortgage, and the closing of that mortgage. The buyer's spending less time in backlog when they're buying a house that has already started the production process. That allows us to have fewer bad things happen to their potential credit profile where then they fall out of backlog and no longer qualify. Less interest rate risk while they're in that cycle. Finally, just a continued focus on affordability. I mean, we're going to continue to seek to be affordable for our home buyers and in our markets.

John Lovallo
Products Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Got it. Thank you, guys.

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Thanks, John.

Operator

Your next question is coming from Stephen Kim with Evercore ISI. Stephen, your line is live.

Stephen Kim
Senior Managing Director, Evercore ISI

Yeah, thanks very much, guys. Appreciate all the color here. You know, I was particularly intrigued by your comment about the number of homes you have under construction, 56.6 thousand, I think. I think you also mentioned that your cycle time increased about two weeks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would imply, I think, that your time from start to close is about seven and a half months. First of all, is that correct?

Jessica Hansen
VP of Investor Relations, D.R. Horton

Roughly, yes.

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Yes.

Stephen Kim
Senior Managing Director, Evercore ISI

Yeah. If I think about your 56,600 homes and assume that you'll assume it's basically a 7.5 month cycle time, that would imply that you should be able to close 45,280 over the next two quarters. Your guidance for this next quarter is, I think, for 19,000-20,000 homes, so considerably less than half of that amount. I'm curious as to is there anything wrong with the way I'm thinking about how your homes under construction should ultimately result in closings over the next two quarters, given your cycle time is 7.5 months?

If therefore, we should be thinking that there might be an acceleration in 3Q closings on that basis, or if this represents some conservatism about extending cycle times.

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Thank you, Steve. I think one of the things you need to look at is how long those houses have been in production. We started a substantial number of those homes in the most recent quarter. I think we stepped up our starts from Q4- Q1 by about 3,000 homes. Those homes are obviously going to take a little longer to deliver in the process.

Bill W. Wheat
EVP and CFO, D.R. Horton

As we're looking at the remainder of the year, the guidance we're providing for Q2 is based on where the homes are in construction today. Yes, as we look at the full year, based on when we started the homes and we look at where our guidance is for the full year, we are a bit more back-end loaded in terms of our closings in Q3 and Q4 than historically we are. Part of that is because of the elongated construction times that we have not seen improve yet. It's based on where our homes in construction currently sit in terms of the construction cycle.

Stephen Kim
Senior Managing Director, Evercore ISI

Yeah. Great. That's very helpful. My second question relates to your initiatives in the rental area, which I, you know, I think is, you've talked about growing that, inventory and therefore I would assume the associated revenues, pretty significantly, on a longer-term basis. My question's twofold. One, is there a rule of thumb that we could think, what, let's say, every $1 billion of inventory on a steady-state basis might, yield in terms of, a level of revenues that we could be forecasting? And then secondly, conceptually, do you think that, the demand for selling your rental properties, is likely to be more resilient in the face of a rising rate environment than, perhaps sales to, folks who would be looking to actually move in?

I know that's your core business, but nevertheless, there is so much concern that many people have about rising rates and the impact on the entry-level buyer that I was curious as to whether you felt like there was a backstop behind that buyer, for rental operators that are sort of getting in line and would love to buy the homes that you're building for rent.

Bill W. Wheat
EVP and CFO, D.R. Horton

Well, I'll start, Steve. I guess to first, we're still growing this business and learning this business. Still a little bit early for us to be able to generalize on averages in terms of what level of revenue we might see, you know, per unit. We're building across our entire home building footprint, so every property is unique in terms of size, and the product, and the market in which it's in. We're individually underwriting each one relative to whether it's better for a for-rent community versus a for-sale community.

Obviously, we've been very pleased with the value that we've been able to generate thus far and very, you know, excited about the opportunity of growing this business and adding value over time, and been very pleased with the demand that there has been for our communities thus far and the execution that we've seen in terms of our sales thus far.

Paul J. Romanowski
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Yeah. Stephen, you know, we see such strong demand today for this product in this low interest rate environment. I think to your question of if we see rates tick up, you know, do we see that shift? We like the ability to, you know, be in the market with this rental platform and be able to adjust to those shifts in market conditions. You know, we do believe that, we're gonna continue to see strong demand, maybe not as strong as it is today with such a new category, but, we feel good about our position and the number of communities we're planning.

Stephen Kim
Senior Managing Director, Evercore ISI

Sounds good. Thanks very much, guys.

Operator

Your next question is coming from Michael Rehaut with JPMorgan. Mike, your line is live.

Michael Rehaut
Senior Analyst, JPMorgan

Great. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. First question I had was on the SG&A side. You know, you came in nicely below your prior guidance at 7.5% versus 8% before, versus your 8% guidance, and you know, down 40 basis points year-over-year. You're also, you know, guiding for 2Q guidance to be down only 10 basis points year-over-year. I was just curious around, you know, what were the sources of the, you know, significantly better than expected results in the first quarter and, you know, why you don't expect, you know, further leverage in the second quarter similar to the first?

Bill W. Wheat
EVP and CFO, D.R. Horton

Sure. Thanks, Mike. You know, in the current environment where we're seeing such significant average selling price increases, that's certainly one driver of the SG&A leverage on P&L. A little difficult to predict exactly where the average ASP may fall in a particular quarter. The trend over time has been upward over the last several quarters, though, and that's certainly a contributor to it. I would say we're probably a little bit conservative in projecting out the level of increases in our ASPs. We are very actively building infrastructure to support the significant increase in scale that we have seen across our business over the last year and that we're projecting for the rest of the coming year.

We are anticipating significant increases in our SG&A spend to support that. We're just basically balancing that versus our expectations for our closings. With our closings expectations, essentially, you know, roughly flat with last year in Q2, based on our guidance, we're not getting the volume leverage, but we are still seeing the leverage from selling price increases.

Michael Rehaut
Senior Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay, Bill, before I just hit on the second question, you know, just to make sure I understand, given the expectation for the stronger revenue growth on a full year basis, you know, it seems like it's safe to assume, you know, maybe more than like a 10 basis points SG&A leverage for the full year, if I'm thinking about that right, you know, given you have the higher confidence, let's say, around an ASP for the full year at least, if you could comment on that would be helpful. Secondly, just on the rental income side, you know, that was a source of upside, I believe, relative to our expectations, I believe relative to guidance as well, if I'm not mistaken.

You know, 45% of a margin. Is that the right 45%, you know, just any guidance or thoughts around how to think about the remainder of the year relative to the revenue generation you continue to expect?

Bill W. Wheat
EVP and CFO, D.R. Horton

Okay. Well, first to wrap up the SG&A question, we're not guiding specifically to the full year on SG&A. However, with the kind of heavier volume expected in our annual guidance in Q3 and Q4, we would expect to see more leverage on SG&A, probably than ten basis points in Q3 and Q4 versus Q2. With respect to the rental expectations, we've guided annually to more than $700 million of revenue. We've been very pleased with the margins and the executions we've seen on the sales here recently. The margin this quarter obviously was very strong. You know, some projects will continue to generate those margins, others could certainly be short of that.

We haven't specifically guided to the margin on that business as of yet, because each project is unique. In terms of volume in the coming quarter, we would expect Q2 volume to be relatively similar to Q1, in which we closed two single family properties and one multifamily property. Then for the year, basically lining that out to $700 million of revenue.

Michael Rehaut
Senior Analyst, JPMorgan

All right. Thanks so much.

Operator

Your next question is coming from Alan Ratner with Zelman. Alan, your line is live.

Alan Ratner
Managing Director, Zelman & Associates

Hey, good morning. Great quarter. Thanks for taking my questions. First one, you know, I might be parsing the comments a little bit too much here, so I just wanna get some clarification. I think you guys said earlier that you expect to offset most cost increases with price increases. You know, obviously up to this point, it's, you know, based on the margin trajectory, you've been able to offset more than the cost increases. I'm just curious if that's a change in your thinking, you know, whether you're gonna be maybe a little bit less aggressive pushing price as 2022 progresses, or am I reading too much into that comment?

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

I guess, Alan, you know, as we continue to increase our starts for demand, I would say at some point, there's gonna be more of an equilibrium. At that point, margins up and ASPs should mitigate somewhat. We don't know. Again, we're return-based absorption targets, start targets, being able to sustain a level of starts, drives efficiencies through the entire process. We don't know what the future is. We do know that we can operate within that future and maximize the results, both returns and market share gains.

Jessica Hansen
VP of Investor Relations, D.R. Horton

Part of that thought process also, Alan, is our continued focus on affordability. Although the market's really strong today and we continue to take price, we're probably not out there like some other builders trying to take every last dollar of price. We're doing what we can to meet the market and try to stay affordable, you know, in spite of rising cost conditions.

Alan Ratner
Managing Director, Zelman & Associates

Got it. Yeah, both of those makes a lot of sense. Jessica, your follow on comment there was actually something I was gonna ask next, and that's that, you know, your price increases, especially on the order side, have been very strong. We're starting to hear from some builders, you know, talking about their desire to actually, you know, bring that average price back down a little bit over the next year or two as they introduce new communities, and maybe they're a little bit further out or maybe the floor plans are a bit smaller. Should we think about that similarly with you guys?

Are you actually kind of looking at that average price and kind of your standing in the marketplace and trying to actually bring that down on a, you know, at least an absolute basis going forward?

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

Alan, we're always focused on affordability. You know, we talk internally about a sustainable run rate in these communities. That involves, you know, not overpricing at any point in time. But yes, you know, we're looking at product, we're looking at communities, land, how do we drive more and more efficiency into the process so that we can maintain a more affordable level of cost. That's, you know, that's to me, that's market scale, that's consistency of starts. It's as we continue to drive market share gains, consolidate labor, we're in a better position to acquire land. It's just an ongoing continuous effort to get a little bit better every day.

Alan Ratner
Managing Director, Zelman & Associates

Makes a lot of sense. If I can sneak in one last one just on January. You know, you and others have obviously highlighted very strong demand continuing in January. I'm curious if you've seen any notable, you know, shifts in sentiment or activity across your price points given, you know, the uptick in year-end rates. Are you seeing, you know, maybe the more discretionary buyers jumping in, you know, because they're concerned rates are gonna continue climbing, so like in your active adult business or Emerald? Or has the strength been pretty consistent with what you've seen prior to this move?

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Alan, I don't think we've seen, you know, in the last month any real discernible difference. We still have more buyers in all of our markets than we have homes available. You know, we are continuing to release those homes at a later stage of construction, you know, meeting that demand with the inventory as it gets to that point in its construction cycle. Hard to gauge whether there's been any significant shift of any sort. We still are seeing strong demand across all of our markets and across all demand bases.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

All price points?

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Yeah.

Eric Bosshard
CEO, Cleveland Research Company

Perfect. All right. Thanks for the time, guys. Appreciate it.

Jessica Hansen
VP of Investor Relations, D.R. Horton

Thanks, Alan.

Operator

Your next question is coming from Carl Reichardt with BTIG. Carl, your line is live.

Carl Reichardt
Managing Director and Homebuilding Analyst, BTIG

Thanks. Hey, everybody. Paul, I think you were the one who said this, that you're working to stabilize and then reduce cycle times then. Pragmatically, what specifically do you do to make that happen, given that builders are outsourcers effectively? Why and how do you do that better at Horton than, say, a peer would?

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

Carl, I think a lot of the things at Horton is just 'cause we just work harder. I know everybody works hard, but our people are just phenomenal problem-solvers, and it's a part of the culture, the decentralized nature. I mean, they take ownership, and they solve problems. What we have tried to do is guide the divisions to understand the capacity within communities and consistently start homes to meet that capacity. And when they do that, the capacity increases because the people in those communities get a little better at building those homes. And we're seeing that in

You know, I don't know what the industry average is, but I got to believe we are completing homes, even though it is not to our historical norm, still more rapidly than our peers out there. It's that consistent starts, limited product, limited options, making it easier for these trades to get in and get out, reducing the SKUs that we're asking our suppliers to hold, in some cases ordering early, in some cases stock. I mean, anything, everything that we can do to eliminate or break a bottleneck, the people in our field are doing. I could tell you a hundred stories, but I'm not going to.

Carl Reichardt
Managing Director and Homebuilding Analyst, BTIG

Fair enough. Thanks, David. I wanted to ask about lot count. You're over 550,000 under control now, and the buildup's been significant, right? I mean, it, I think was up 40% last year. At some point, these lots gotta come to market. If you think about how they might, you could have bigger communities going forward, you could have more communities going forward in existing markets, you could have new markets. Can you sort of break out as you look at your lot position now, sort of as you grow, where those different elements fit into the long-term puzzle here? Kind of bigger communities, more communities in existing markets, i.e., potentially more share or new markets. Thanks.

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Yes. D, all of the above. It will be some markets.

Carl Reichardt
Managing Director and Homebuilding Analyst, BTIG

I heard that one already. In terms of sort of the long-term split is kind of what I meant.

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

I don't know that we'd see a big change in our long-term split. We are continually evaluating new markets. At the same time, the mandate is to the teams in the field, aggregate your market share. We feel that local scale drives a lot of value in the business for us. The lot supply is a key part of it. I will tell you the frustration, it takes longer, just like it does to build a house. It takes longer to get a neighborhood approved, it takes longer to get lots built today than it did a year or two years ago. We're continuing to challenge that.

Just like our housing supply has increased relative to our current delivery levels, our lot-controlled lot position has increased to support those lots coming on, just taking longer to get them to the finish line.

Jessica Hansen
VP of Investor Relations, D.R. Horton

Our market count has continued to expand, so we're in 102 markets today. That's up just four markets sequentially. We continue to fill out kind of the more Midwestern Ohio Valley part of our footprint and continue to look at additional markets that would make sense to expand into as well.

Carl Reichardt
Managing Director and Homebuilding Analyst, BTIG

Thanks, everybody.

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question is coming from Matthew Bouley with Barclays. Matthew, your line is live.

Matthew Bouley
Managing Director, Barclays

Morning, everyone. Thank you for taking the questions. I have a question on cancellations and interest rates, just given how low cancellations are at this point. I know you do those stress tests on the backlog and have talked about sort of flexing a 100 basis points increase in mortgage rates. I guess to what degree does the speed of rates rising, you know, coupled with these extended cycle times play into all that? I mean, we had a 50 basis point rise in just four weeks. You got buyers in backlog that may have to wait several months at this point. How do we think about risk to an uptick in cancellations here? Thank you.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

Well, I think, you know, as you look at those stress tests that we do, you know, and we've run it again and seen a slight uptick in it, but still nominal. You know, the interest rate increase we've seen today have spurred further demand, much more so than knock people out of qualification and ability to qualify.

Eric Bosshard
CEO, Cleveland Research Company

I think Mike mentioned earlier, but that's also part of the key to selling homes later in the construction cycle, is they're not having to lock for longer or be, you know, worried about what an interest rate move does. If we're selling closer to the time of completion and home closing, there's less risk in that regard as well.

Matthew Bouley
Managing Director, Barclays

Yep. Got it. Okay, good. That makes sense. Second one on the cycle times again. You know, maybe they improve at some point, maybe they don't. But assuming there's not a significant amount of new building products capacity coming online this year, are there any structural changes you're making to the supply chain? You know, even if it's not possible in every single building material, is there anything you can do with more prefab packages, for example? You know, I heard you say earlier, simplification of SKUs. Do any of these changes you're making today, are they structural in nature, or is it simply adjusting to whatever the market is at any point?

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

I think as David mentioned before, I mean, it's everything everywhere. We definitely empower our local business leaders to solve the bottlenecks that are unique to their market. There are some that are broader in nature, and our national purchasing team and regional purchasing teams do a great job of partnering with those manufacturers and our trade partners to give them more forward visibility to our expected demands, and then help to understand how that product gets from point of manufacturer through distribution, you know, kind of get the product that's being earmarked for us into the distribution chain through it, onto our job sites when we need it. Not always a perfect process.

We would certainly like it to be faster, but it's increased communication, simplification of product, and, you know, a lot of anything we need to do market by market.

Matthew Bouley
Managing Director, Barclays

Great. Well, thank you for the color.

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question is coming from Susan Maklari with Goldman Sachs. Susan, your line is live.

Susan Maklari
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

Good morning.

Susan Maklari
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

First question is, in thinking about, you know, the potential use for more incentives in the market, given the fact that the inventory is so low, do you think that the likelihood of us seeing any real meaningful increase there is actually much lower than it has been in the past? Do you think that, you know, we would need to see just a lot more on the ground in order for anything to meaningfully change?

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

I don't see any change in the incentives coming. It's, I'm sure at some point the inventory will catch up with demand. It is still significantly out of balance, especially if you're looking at the areas where Florida, Texas, Arizona, even across the Midwest, where you have job growth and influx of people. It's, you know, you never say never, but the difficulty of getting lots on the ground and then getting houses built is. It's gonna be very difficult to catch up with demand anytime in the next couple of years.

Susan Maklari
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. That helps.

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Susan, you touched on it with the level of inventory out there, the use of incentives. I think you'd have to see a significant increase in the level of unsold inventories, especially unsold completed inventories. Today, we're at, you know, 1,000 unsold completed homes at the end of December. Very low for us this time of year to be carrying that few homes.

Susan Maklari
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Right. Okay. Thank you for that. Then, you know, my follow-up is thinking about the operational pressures in the industry, you know, even if the supply chain on the material side does eventually catch up and things there normalize, do you think that we could be facing an overall tighter labor environment in construction relative to where we were before COVID? And if so, how do you think about your ability to overcome that and continue to increase the level of production that you can deliver?

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

It goes back to market scale, and even within submarkets, being able to control a labor base and keeping them busy, keeping them in the same location. I just can't oversell that advantage. Where you've got a program where you're releasing 15, 20, 30 houses every month after month, the aggregation of labor in those kinds of communities is. It's very advantageous in today's world. It also gives you the ability to kind of direct some of that labor to the two or three or four or five a-month absorption communities. It's market scale. It's, again, everything that we've done, simplifying the product, trying to maintain affordability, and then having well-located communities with long run rate times.

Susan Maklari
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you and good luck.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

Thank you.

Eric Bosshard
CEO, Cleveland Research Company

Thank you, Susan.

Operator

Your next question is coming from Eric Bosshard with Cleveland Research. Eric, your line is live.

Eric Bosshard
CEO, Cleveland Research Company

Good morning.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

Morning.

Eric Bosshard
CEO, Cleveland Research Company

A couple of things. First of all, the outlook on costs, if you could just provide some clarity on where that goes, and especially trying to figure out the movement in lumber, how that is flowing through, you know, where we're at trough lumber and where the lumber impact goes going forward, especially on the cost side.

Jessica Hansen
VP of Investor Relations, D.R. Horton

Sure. I'll start with lumber and then somebody else can chime in on the rest of our cost structure. Lumber costs have remained really volatile, as I know you're aware, Eric. We have had some opportunities to purchase at costs that were well below the peaks we saw, I guess, last spring and into the summer. However, those reductions in prices lasted a shorter period of time than we really expected and really probably hoped. Lumber's been on the rise again for the last few months. There's been other supply chain delays that also, you know, caused the volatility in lumber prices.

We do hope that we'll see a mix that leans towards slightly lower costs in Q2, which is baked into our Q2 gross margin guide for flat to slightly up gross margins. We do expect our lumber costs to trend back up in our closings starting in Q3. Other costs?

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

It's kind of a mixed bag, but we would generally be seeing slight cost pressures in most places. That's been offset by price increases. I think, you know, some of the lumber relief we should see in Q2, early Q3 will help with some of that as well. As Jessica mentioned, lumber prices have gone back up, and so those will be flowing through, you know, closings later this fiscal year.

Jessica Hansen
VP of Investor Relations, D.R. Horton

Really with home prices continuing to increase, I mean, generally all costs typically follow. We really wouldn't expect to see much in the way of cost relief until you see some sort of slowdown in home price appreciation.

Eric Bosshard
CEO, Cleveland Research Company

Okay. Secondly, it seems like just a math equation, but I know there's more to it than that. The modest increase in the revenue guide for the year with the same deliveries, it appears that it's just looking at price and extrapolating that out. What else were the considerations in taking a bit more optimistic position on the full year revenue growth, especially in front of the selling season?

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Yeah, Eric, it really is just an extrapolation of where we see prices now. We've got a few more months of visibility into our selling prices and where our closing prices moved up to in Q1 and what our visibility is going into Q2, that we felt like with the sales prices that are baked in and that we have visibility to, that justified increasing a pretty nice increase in our annual revenue guide. Obviously with the continued challenges on the supply chain and construction cycle times elongating, we didn't really feel like we had any more room on the volume side as of yet. It's really solely price, and we feel good about that guidance for the year.

Eric Bosshard
CEO, Cleveland Research Company

Okay, that makes sense. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question is coming from Rafe Jadrosich with Bank of America. Rafe, your line is live.

Rafe Jadrosich
Managing Director, Bank of America

Hi, it's Rafe. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question.

Jessica Hansen
VP of Investor Relations, D.R. Horton

Hi, Rafe Jadrosich.

Rafe Jadrosich
Managing Director, Bank of America

I wanted to just start on the rental business. Can you talk a little bit about the returns you were targeting in the rental business and how that could compare to home building longer term? Will you be targeting different markets in the rental business compared to the home building segment?

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Rafe, what we're seeing is, you know, we're growing that business pretty aggressively, and we've been very pleased with actually the returns that business has produced. On a trailing 12 month basis, you know, the profits that segment's generated relative to its inventory investment have been about 20%, and that's in a heavy growth ramp. We would expect to see that continue to increase, especially when we get to have more of the projects delivering on a more consistent basis. I would say that, you know, the markets we seek to serve with that, it's gonna line up very well with our home building for sale footprint as well. We've seen a lot of markets accept the product very well, and the investor base very excited about those projects as well.

Rafe Jadrosich
Managing Director, Bank of America

In terms of the pace of your home starts, obviously the average ticked up a lot in the first quarter compared to the fourth quarter, I think up about 1,000 a month. What's allowing you to increase that pace sequentially? How should we think about that going forward?

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Yeah, I think that's in line with you know, our plans and you know, what we have set forth across all of our divisions and communities. You know, we target an absorption pace per community, plan well ahead to make sure that we have those permits in hand and lots in front of us. You know, it's not easier today to put lots on the ground any more than it is easier to build a home, but we have incredible operators in the field who stay ahead of this, and it's allowed us to continually, sequentially, quarter over quarter, increase our starts pace. That's a cadence that we hope to continue.

A real key to our ability to do that is our lot position. Having that long lot position controlled, and strong supplier relationships on build and developer side puts our operators in positions to continue to start and increase our starts pace.

Rafe Jadrosich
Managing Director, Bank of America

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question for today is coming from Michael Dahl with RBC Capital Markets. Mike, your line is live.

Michael Dahl
Managing Director of Equity Research, RBC Capital Markets

Morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Just a couple follow-ups here, and maybe a first one ties into the last one a little bit. The order guidance for your fiscal 2Q being flat to low single digits, it seems like you've been pretty successful getting some inventory rebuilt, both sequentially and year-over-year. Your comps get a little easier in 2Q versus 1Q. Can you just talk about the moving pieces on that order guide and, you know, why there can be some upside there?

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

I think we're still seeing a restriction on sales relative to where the inventory is getting to in production. We're still waiting to sell the homes closer to the delivery date. That's kind of what's really the real driver is on our sales expectation. Our comp is still up against a 35% increase last year in the second quarter. It does only get to be a much easier comp in Q3 and Q4 this year from a sales perspective.

Michael Dahl
Managing Director of Equity Research, RBC Capital Markets

Got it. Okay. My second question, I wanna follow up on one of Steve's questions from earlier around kind of rentals being potentially a backstop for sale. Because it's kind of an interesting concept, especially as you scale that side of your business and the partnerships you have with buyers of those assets. You know, if the idea is at some point in time, if for-sale demand were to slow, there could be an institutional buyer that would be looking at additional communities that you may have currently built as for sale, but someone may want to buy wholesale and turn to rentals. Can you talk a little bit more about how you would view opportunities like that?

I know the economics and the returns can look very different, so maybe just even conceptually, what it would have to take in terms of, or what the moving pieces around the return dynamics if you were to look at bulk selling a community that was not intended for bulk sale at some point in the future.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

You know, Mike, we've always believed that the rental platform, when we get it built out, will de-risk our land portfolio because it does give us another lever. From just a philosophical standpoint, we believe in the for-sale business. We believe homeownership in the country is very important.

Today our goal is to deliver more homes because the demand is there and it's, you know, it's hard to believe, you know, five years from now, homes are gonna be more affordable than they are today. You know, every family we get in a home, we feel like it is a win for us and for that family.

When we look at the risk of, I mean, the rental platform, the ability to scale that up, the segment that's gonna create, it's gonna be a real business all on its own. Because of the geographic platform and the embedded divisions within that geography, our ability to scale that and touch every market is, you know, we see as just great opportunity for our shareholders and for our people internally.

Michael Dahl
Managing Director of Equity Research, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks, Dave.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

You bet.

Operator

Your next question is coming from Kenneth Zener with Seaport Research Partners. Ken, your line is live.

Kenneth Zener
Senior Analyst, KeyBank

Good morning, everybody.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

Hey, Ken.

Kenneth Zener
Senior Analyst, KeyBank

I thought you guys were better 'cause you paid for your own phones. I have two simple questions. One, obviously, with insatiable demand, you know, how you guys are approaching the cycle time in construction. Basically, you know, it looks like your investments in your inventory units are slowing, right? Cycle time is up 5% sequentially. Your inventory rose 14%. Is that pretty much the move that you guys will pursue into the second half if the cycle time continue to compress, that you'll just throw more units into the ground to compensate for that slower cycle time?

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

Yeah. We have start targets and we talk about, you know, consistent sustainable starts driving ultimately sales and closes. It's based upon the capacity within divisions to deliver those homes.

Kenneth Zener
Senior Analyst, KeyBank

Okay.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

Yeah.

Kenneth Zener
Senior Analyst, KeyBank

That's fine. I just I mean, it seems to be that's the way you're approaching it. I guess realizing this conference call is long already. Dave, We spoke about this in the past, you know, the interest rate you paid on your first home. You highlighted obviously the very strong demand, strong job growth. Can you guys just comment, I mean, we recently wrote about it, but can you comment on the fact, you know, with your perspective about your comfort with the, you know, real rates being negative now compared to when you took your first mortgage rate, just as a kind of a broad thought? Appreciate it.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

You know, it's a great time. Housing is more affordable today than it certainly was in the eighties. The ability to get into a house, lock down your homeownership or your housing cost for the next 20 years is a significant driving force in what's going on. Because as overall cost inflation, interest rates, as those continue to move up, the people that are buying a house today, even if it's at a price that's 15, 20% higher than it was last year, are. I mean, it's just a great thing.

Kenneth Zener
Senior Analyst, KeyBank

Thank you.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

Actually, the other thing, Ken, that we really don't talk much about, but it's that. When I was in my twenties, I mean, that was just what was expected. You figured out a way to buy a house. And that became less cool, for use of a stupid term, you know, as the millennials came into their twenties. What I'm seeing, and what my millennial daughter is telling me is that now it's you know, that's a big part of the narrative on social media, it's you know, people wanna own homes again. And it's just, it you know, it's I'm amazed sometimes at some of the conversations around housing.

I look at what it was. I look at what it is. I look at just the demographic demand that's out there. I look at the wealth effect of everything that's happened over the last 10 years, you know, the American public, they're in a good place. From an affordability standpoint, home ownership is better than it was in the eighties. I'm very optimistic about what's going on. I'm very optimistic about this company. I'm just in awe of our people and what they are accomplishing out there.

Kenneth Zener
Senior Analyst, KeyBank

Thank you.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

I don't know if I answered your question, but I told you what I think.

Kenneth Zener
Senior Analyst, KeyBank

All was clear. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question is coming from Truman Patterson with Wolfe Research. Truman, your line is live.

Truman Patterson
Senior Housing Equity Analyst, Wolfe Research

Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions here. David, just wanna follow up on one of your prior comments about the public's gaining market share. I know it might be, you know, difficult to generalize, but I'm hoping to understand what you're hearing on the ground from local operators regarding some of your private builder competitors. You know, are they expecting their home inventory to jump significantly through 2022, expecting strong activity or strong active land or community count growth? Or are you you know, expecting more of the same of a pretty constrained environment for your private builder peers? I'm also asking this, you know, in light that you all make up, you know, 10% plus of the market.

You all had really nice order growth in the quarter. When you look at, you know, new home sales in the fourth quarter, it was down more than 20% plus. I'm really hoping you can help us think through this as we move through 2022.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

You know, we actually were talking about this in getting ready for the call. The private builders and even some of the smaller public builders are gonna have a very difficult time delivering houses. I mean, it is hard for us. I mean, it's probably harder to complete and finish a house today as it's been in my career in home building. That's gonna cut off their access to the next house they start. You know, anecdotally, we are talking to the builders in markets that, you know, they're just tired.

They don't. They've got six, seven, eight banks. They're sideways with two of them. You know, they're looking to us to take out their lot supply and then maybe become a developer for us in that market. If the supply chains don't loosen up, I think you're gonna see the consolidation accelerate in the market by the big publics. Because what is the big constraint on the market, on housing, is the ability to get lots in front of you. The private guys, they don't have that ability. The publics do. That's. When you look at new home sales decline, you know, that doesn't have anything to do with demand. That has to be built.

You know, 60% of the homes being built out there are being built by non-publics. I think over this cycle, you're gonna see their, that group's ability to start houses continue to deteriorate. That is gonna get picked up by the publics. Even if the overall housing market, new home housing market declines, I think the, you know, the top 10 publics are gonna pick up market share, and they're gonna continue to grow. That's what I think.

Truman Patterson
Senior Housing Equity Analyst, Wolfe Research

Interesting. You know, there's clearly been a lot of discussion with the Fed, you know, likely raising rates this year. You know, we can debate what sort of impact that might have on demand versus, you know, lack of supply and everything. You know, hypothetically, you know, let's say demand does soften. Which consumer segment do you all think holds up relatively better between entry level, you know, move up luxury, active adult? And are there any geographies that, you know, you all think might underperform?

Jessica Hansen
VP of Investor Relations, D.R. Horton

This is probably, I know, somewhat of a contrarian view to the way the market sometimes reacts to entry-level builders, but we generally continue to think about an entry-level buyer as a buyer out of need rather than discretion. Although, you know, as prices continue to rise and or rates are to increase and affordability gets negatively impacted, you do lose a subset of entry-level buyers that can qualify for a home.

We do expect over the long term that to continue to be the lion's share of the demand, which is why we continue to focus on affordability, because as I said, those buyers are buying out of need, whereas the further up the price curve you go, that's a more discretionary buyer, maybe a little bit more financially savvy, that is more focused on, you know, timing of an interest rate versus just an absolute monthly payment.

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

Okay, thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

In the interest of time, your final question is coming from Deepa Raghavan with Wells Fargo Securities. Deepa, your line is live.

Deepa Raghavan
Research Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Hi. Thanks very much for squeezing me in. Couple ones from me. So let me ask on the affordability issue, you know, we look at trends, it just doesn't correlate to the concern that's out there on affordability. Dave, like you pointed out, rates are historically low and looks like we could end up having, you know, the whole industry, the homebuilders could end up having good pricing power this year too. My question is the affordability issue being raised too ahead of its time, or do you believe 2022 or 2023 can be structurally impaired, or impacted from some buyers being priced out in this continually tight imbalance environment?

Michael J. Murray
EVP and Co-COO, D.R. Horton

As we've seen in our sales offices and demand, we're not seeing people being priced out to any degree today, and we're generally focused at a price point lower than most of our competitors in the markets that we serve. What I would say is that, you know, going forward, you see very good household income growth. Inflation is certainly out there. It's across the board, and as someone touched on before, we could be at negative real interest rates to own a home. It's a very powerful economic decision to go ahead and buy a house today and lock in that interest rate relative to current inflation expectations. Still feel very good about the demand we're seeing into 2022. Hard to predict much beyond that because you just don't know.

We do like what we see in 2022 for sure.

Deepa Raghavan
Research Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay, that's helpful. David Auld, when we met you last summer, you mentioned expanding in Ohio Valley and parts of Midwest, you know, as newer markets. Can you talk through what's the economic engine that will drive job growth there? It's hard for us to conceive that post-COVID, people decided to pack their bags and move to Ohio just because they can work remotely.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

Yeah, there's a big population base there now. You've got some of the best universities in the country that are there. You're seeing a migration out of what would historically been the tech areas and/or the think tank areas, financial areas, into these incubators, which are these major universities. I'm just a big believer that long term the quality of life, just the access to really smart people is gonna drive companies and growth companies into these markets. You see it in Austin, you see it in Nashville, Columbus. It's just across Indianapolis.

There are brilliant people starting what are gonna be great big companies that find that environment just a better place to be than some of the what has historically been high tech, high-income markets. You know, the population of the U.S., those towns, those cities are great cities and they offer a lot. That's what.

Deepa Raghavan
Research Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

All right. Yep, thanks very much. Appreciate the color, and good luck.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

Thank you.

Operator

That is all the time we have for questions today. I would like to turn the floor back over to David Auld for any closing comments.

David Auld
President and CEO, D.R. Horton

Thank you, Holly. We appreciate everybody's time on the call today and look forward to speaking with you in our second quarter results in April. To the D.R. Horton family, outstanding first quarter. It's amazing what our people are accomplishing out there. Don Horton and the entire executive team are humbled with the opportunity to represent you. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does conclude today's conference call. You may disconnect your phone lines at this time, and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.

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