DICK'S Sporting Goods, Inc. (DKS)
NYSE: DKS · Real-Time Price · USD
134.72
+0.56 (0.42%)
Sep 29, 2026, 12:08 PM EDT - Market open
← View all transcripts

Earnings Call: Q3 2019

Nov 28, 2018

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the DICK’S Sporting Goods third quarter earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jennifer Mejia, Manager of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Jennifer Mejia
Manager of Investor Relations, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Morning, everyone, thank you for joining us to discuss our third quarter 2018 results. On today's call will be Ed Stack, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Lauren Hobart, our President, and Lee Belitsky, our Chief Financial Officer. Today's call will be archived for approximately 30 days on our investor relations website, located at investors.dicks.com. As a reminder, we will be making forward-looking statements, which are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from these statements. Any such statements should be considered in conjunction with cautionary statements in our earnings release and risk factor discussions in our filings with the SEC, including our last annual report on Form 10-K and cautionary statements made during this call. We assume no obligation to update any of these forward-looking statements or information.

Please refer to our investor relations website at dicks.com to find the reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures referenced in today's call. With that, I will now turn the call over to Ed.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thanks, Jen, good morning, everyone. This morning, we reported third-quarter earnings per diluted share of $0.39, compared to GAAP earnings per diluted share of $0.35 and non-GAAP earnings per diluted share of $0.30 last year. Adjusted for the calendar shift due to the 53rd week last year, our consolidated same-store sales declined 3.9%, our e-commerce business increased 16%. As a percent of total net sales, the online business increased approximately 12%, compared to approximately 10% in the same period last year. Revenue declined 4.5% to approximately $1.86 billion, including the impact of the calendar shift, which negatively impacted sales by $41 million. Comp sales were in the range of our expectations for the quarter. As expected, sales were negatively impacted by the continued weakness in hunt and electronics, which contributed approximately 255 basis points to comp decline.

Despite these challenges, we have focused on driving profitable sales and managing our business to deliver higher earnings. Merchandise margin expanded 213 basis points during the quarter as we benefited from the mix of the sales decline in low-margin hunt and electronic categories, fewer promotions, and improved product cycle. This merchandise margin expansion drove an improvement in gross margin, which increased by 72 basis points. Looking ahead, we will continue to optimize our assortment with a stronger emphasis on key items and a renewed focus on the enthusiast athlete. We remain encouraged by the improved product we're seeing from many of our partners and are optimistic about the pipeline into next year. Our relationships with many of these partners have never been stronger, and we will continue to work together to elevate the assortment and presentation at DICK'S.

Our private brands continue to grow and are an integral part of our strategy to drive differentiation and exclusivity in our assortment. We have seen great success in expanding our existing brands into new categories, and that will be a priority going forward. We will also be launching new brands. Earlier this quarter, we launched the outdoor apparel brand Alpine Design and have been very pleased with the early success. We expect our private brands to continue to deliver growth for us well into the future. Finally, we continue to reallocate floor space to growth categories and key brands and adapt our product offering to better align with the categories our athletes demand. Late in the third quarter, we removed virtually all hunt products from 10 DICK'S stores where the category underperforms and have replaced it with more compelling assortments in categories such as baseball, licensed products, and outerwear.

Though it's too early to discuss performance, we're optimistic these changes will better serve the athletes in these communities. In closing, we're confident in the future of our business and believe we can strengthen our leadership position going forward. I'd like to thank all of our teammates for their hard work and dedication to this company and for their upcoming efforts during the holiday season. I'd now like to turn the call over to Lauren.

Lauren Hobart
President, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thank you, Ed, and good morning, everyone. As we enter the holiday season and look toward next year, we remain focused on providing an optimized omnichannel experience for our athletes through our three key strategic initiatives. These include improving our core execution, leveraging the power of our expert opinion to deliver a stronger merchandise assortment and presentation, and increasing our productivity. Beginning with improving our execution, we are delivering a better customer experience across our omnichannel platform. In stores, we've driven efficiencies within our processes, which have allowed our teammates to spend less time tasking and more time servicing our athletes. We're also providing a stronger experience online by enhancing the functionality of the website and shortening our estimated delivery time. We're working to deliver e-commerce orders within two business days to the majority of our athletes in the future.

To achieve this, we are investing significantly in our fulfillment and delivery capabilities, including the creation of dedicated e-commerce fulfillment centers in New York and California.

The state-of-the-art facility that we're building in New York will be highly efficient as we invest in robotics to drive automation and reduce labor costs. We also recently enabled all of our store-focused regional distribution centers to fulfill online customer orders. We continue to leverage our proximity to our customers by shipping from all of our stores. We will continue to deliver a stronger product assortment and leverage the power of our expert opinion to guide and inform athletes to select the right product for them. From a merchandising perspective, we continue to be pleased with how athletes have responded to our strike point presentations, which showcase key items in a very impactful way throughout the store. An example of this is the new YETI display that we've incorporated in many of our stores for the holiday season, which is a powerful presentation of that brand.

Year to date, many of these strike points have resulted in strong double-digit sales growth. In marketing, we're focused on building an emotional connection with our brand and driving traffic to our stores and our e-commerce site. We're currently running a holiday campaign featuring a family and their ping pong table through which we show that giving the gift of sport lasts a lifetime and actually has the power to bring families together. We're also driving digital transformation across all aspects of our marketing, leveraging our vast ScoreCard and Team Sports HQ data sets to drive traffic with athletes through timely and targeted messaging. We continue to utilize our strong brand partnerships to drive growth through joint marketing efforts with many of our key vendors. We remain focused on increasing our productivity.

Across the company, we will have eliminated approximately $25 million of expenses by year-end, much of which has been reinvested in our strategic growth drivers. We will continue to make critical investments to support the long-term growth of our business, particularly in key growth areas such as e-commerce, Team Sports HQ, and our private brands. Improving productivity to help offset some of these investments will be a major priority going forward. In closing, we remain optimistic that the continued execution of these strategies will lead to stronger results and drive competitive advantage in the marketplace. I will now turn the call over to Lee to review our financial statements and outlook in more detail.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thank you, Lauren, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to start with a brief overview of our third-quarter results. Adjusted for the calendar shift, consolidated same-store sales declined 3.9%, including a 16% increase in our e-commerce business. Transactions declined by 5.5%, and average ticket increased by 1.6%. Consolidated sales decreased 4.5% to approximately $1.86 billion. This reflects the impact of the calendar shift, which negatively impacted sales by $41 million, or $0.10 a share, in the quarter. During the quarter, our best-performing categories included outdoor and athletic apparel, which combined for a mid-single-digit comp sales increase, and our private brands continued to comp positively with higher penetration as well. Notwithstanding these strengths, sales continued to be negatively impacted by double-digit declines in Hunt and electronics, which contributed approximately 255 basis points to the comp decline, as well as weakness in our outdoor equipment.

Specific to Hunt, in addition to the strategic decisions we made regarding firearms earlier this year, the broader industry has decelerated and remains weak, as evidenced by most recent national background check data. We believe this also contributed to the decline we saw during the quarter. Gross profit for the third quarter was $523.6 million or 28.19% of net sales, a 72-basis point improvement versus last year. Within gross margin, merchandise margin increased 213 basis points and was partially offset by occupancy deleverage and higher freight and shipping and fulfillment costs. The merchandise margin expansion was primarily driven by a favorable merchandise mix, fewer promotions, and improved product. Additionally, a favorable timing shift related to the expense recognition for changes we made to our ScoreCard loyalty program last year also benefited gross profit by $7 million during the quarter.

This shift in timing will negatively impact gross profit by approximately the same dollar amount during the fourth quarter. SG&A expense dollars were $468.7 million, a 1.5% decline from last year as expense reductions more than offset strategic investments and higher incentive compensation. As a percent of sales, SG&A deleveraged 76 basis points to 25.24%. In total, we delivered third-quarter earnings per diluted share of $0.39 compared to GAAP earnings per diluted share of $0.35 and non-GAAP earnings per diluted share of $0.30 last year. Now looking to our balance sheet, we ended the third quarter with approximately $92 million of cash and cash equivalents and $382 million of borrowings on our revolving credit facility. Additionally, our inventory levels increased by 0.8% in the quarter or down 1.2% on a shifted basis as our quarter ended one week closer to Thanksgiving than last year.

Turning to our third-quarter capital allocation, net CapEx were $28.5 million. We repurchased approximately 3.1 million shares for $108 million at an average price of $35.29. These repurchases are indicative of our confidence in the long-term prospects for DICK'S Sporting Goods. We also paid approximately $22 million in dividends during the quarter. Before we move on to our fiscal 2018 financial outlook, given the timing of our call as it relates to the holiday weekend, I'd like to briefly comment on our performance. As we reflect on the Thanksgiving shopping weekend, we are very pleased with our results, both online and in our stores, and we have incorporated the results of the weekend in our guidance. For the year, we continue to expect full-year comp sales to decline by 3%-4% and gross margin to be approximately flat versus last year.

As a result of our strong earnings results in Q3, we are raising our full-year earnings per share guidance for the third time this year to $3.15-$3.25, which represents a $0.25 increase to the high end versus our original guidance that we gave this year of $2.80-$3. Our inventory is clean and well-positioned as we enter the holiday season. Throughout the fourth quarter, we expect to build inventory versus last year to be ready for the important spring businesses. Upon fully executing this strategy, we expect inventory levels at the end of the fourth quarter will increase over last year. We'll provide fiscal 2019 guidance on our fourth quarter call in March. This concludes our prepared comments. Thank you for your interest in DICK'S Sporting Goods. Operator, you may now open the line for questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch-tone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. The first question is from Michael Lasser of UBS. Please go ahead.

Michael Lasser
Analyst, UBS

Good morning. Thanks a lot for taking my question. Lee, can you reconcile your comments about being pleased with your holiday shopping results online and in stores with your guidance that calls for basically a 3%-4% comp decline in the fourth quarter? Were your comments about the holiday shopping period so far, or at least the last week or so, an indication that you're seeing performance that's in line with what you're guiding to for the fourth quarter?

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Our guidance that we gave for the full year coming out of the third quarter was -3%-4%, We're sticking with that -3%-4% for the full year. We are pleased with the results coming out of the weekend, but we did have very favorable weather for us, which helped drive some of our weather-sensitive businesses. Not sure if that's going to hold up all the way through Christmas right now. We're pleased with the results, but there's a long way to go.

Michael Lasser
Analyst, UBS

My follow-up question is, hunting and activity trackers accounted for a little bit more than half of your comp decline in the quarter. What was driving the weakness in outdoor equipment, and how did the footwear category perform? Based on the answers to that, and I know it's early, but is it reasonable to expect that the business can comp positive in 2019 in totality?

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Well, with respect to the footwear business, overall, the footwear business was about even for the quarter. Some of the equipment businesses, particularly outdoor equipment, the comp sales were down. Some of that driven a little bit by weather and probably some of it driven by some of the firearms customers that we have also involved with the outdoor equipment and camp categories and so on, that slowed that business down a bit as we started to see during the second quarter and into the third quarter as well. Again, our view for next year really hasn't changed on that. Our apparel business has been gathering momentum. Footwear business is decent right now. As we anniversary the hunt business, the changes we made there, the electronics business and some more of the Under Armour pieces from the early part of last year, our view hasn't changed.

We think that the vast majority of these headwinds will diminish, and we'll be in a better position to drive more favorable comps.

Michael Lasser
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Thank you very much, and good luck with the rest of the holiday.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thanks.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Simeon Gutman of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Simeon Gutman
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thanks. Good morning, guys. And gal, sorry. My first question is, in the second quarter, you left us with the impression that X, the hunt and electronics, and I don't want to say the brand because I'm not sure you'll comment on it specifically, but I think X, Under Armour, the business was running somewhere in positive territory. I think that's what Michael is trying to get to. Can you share a similar number? If you take out the piece that hunt and electronic hurt this quarter and then maybe take out if it's the Under Armour drag or not, what would the core categories have done in the third quarter and how does it compare on a run rate basis?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Well, we said our comps were what they were, the hunt piece accounted for a big portion of that. We think the outdoor category, which is a spillover to the hunt business, is a portion of that, too. We didn't call Under Armour out this time, although the sales were still pretty soft in Under Armour. We had been able to plan for that, and we offset the apparel categories in the third quarter. As Lee had talked about, we were mid-single digit comps in the apparel categories between the outerwear categories and the athletic categories.

Simeon Gutman
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Got it. Okay. Would it be fair to leave with an impression that the underlying business looks about the same and maybe slightly a little better if I include what happened over Black Friday? Granted, it's a promotional weekend, but it sounds like you were pleased, and I'm assuming the complexion of what you're pleased with shows that some of the things you're doing are gaining traction.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

That would be accurate.

Simeon Gutman
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. My follow-up, it's kind of similar to the last question. Look, the margin profile of the business looks pretty good, right? Electronic and Hunt will be almost out of the way. Inventory looks okay. As we head into next year, Ed or Lee, do you feel stronger about the margin profile of the business or about the sales position?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

You know what, Simeon? We've never commented going forward. As Lee indicated, and I don't mean to dodge your question, I just want to be consistent with what we've done in the past, is that we'll guide next year at our fourth quarter call. As I said in my comments, and Lauren said in hers, we're optimistic about our business.

Simeon Gutman
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

No problem. Understood. Thanks and good luck.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thanks. Okay. Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Chris Horvers of JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Christopher Horvers
Analyst, JPMorgan

Thanks. Good morning. A couple questions. First, on the Hunt side, I guess, how was the impact relative to where you thought? I guess the thought process being, as that customer comes back, are they remembering the decisions and the publicity around the spring such that the business got worse? Is that more a function of the business stayed the same, but maybe the industry got worse?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Well, the industry is difficult, and you can see that from the NICS checks and some of the other things going on in the industry. The comps were kind of overall in the zone of what we anticipated. Let's put it this way, from a sales standpoint, we didn't have a surprise.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

The one thing on the Hunt side is in the fall, the penetration of the Hunt business is double in the fall of what it is in the spring. Third and fourth quarter about even, and first and second quarter about even. It's about double the fall of the spring. It has a bigger drag on the business in Q3 and Q4, just based on the size of the business.

Christopher Horvers
Analyst, JPMorgan

Then presumably, electronics went up in the fourth quarter, goes up in the fourth quarter on a mixed basis relative to the rest of the year. Does the combined Hunt and electronics headwind, is that more significant in sort of versus the 255 basis points that you just quoted on 3Q?

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

A little bit.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

A little bit. It is a little bit more, but as we said, we've baked that all into our guidance, and we think it's still going to be negative three to negative four, and we raised our EPS guidance.

Christopher Horvers
Analyst, JPMorgan

Got it. The last piece is the SG&A trend. If you look at the SG&A dollars relative to history sequentially year-over-year, this sort of looked like a big shift versus what we would have expected. Was there anything unique in there, and is this the new trend that we should sort of build out our SG&A off of going forward?

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

We've been working hard throughout the year to reduce our SG&A expenses, and some of that involved contract negotiations that have a little bit of a longer tail from when they negotiate to when it gets implemented, so on. The short answer is, we believe we're going into a new period of better expense management going forward. What we saw in the third quarter is a very strong performance on expenses. A little bit of it is driven by the calendar shift in that we have a little bit less payroll expense and a little bit less marketing expense due to the calendar shift. A lot of it is due to better expense management overall, and we expect that to continue going forward. There are not a lot of one-time items in there that will go away.

Christopher Horvers
Analyst, JPMorgan

Understood. Have a great holiday.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thanks.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Seth Sigman of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Seth Sigman
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question. My first question is on the merchandise margins up over 210 basis points. Obviously, you recouped a lot of the decline from last year. The offsets this quarter through occupancy and fulfillment costs, it seemed to be greater than prior quarters. Now, some of that may be lower comps, but I'm just wondering, are you seeing greater pressure from e-commerce and fulfillment? As I look out over the next couple of quarters or so, as you lap the merchandise margin recovery that we saw this year, I'm just wondering, does that imply less upside coming from gross margin looking out? Thanks.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Yeah. The one thing to consider in looking at the gross profit is, once again, it's the calendar shift. We have in Q3, due to the calendar shift, we've kind of lost $40 million in sales, and that's $40 million less that we can leverage against our occupancy expense and our fixed distribution expenses. That's a piece of it, and that will continue to be a concern in the fourth quarter as well as we have another similar reduction in sales, and we have 13 weeks against 14 weeks coming in. That's affecting it. The other piece of that is the higher penetration of e-commerce sales. We went from about 10% penetration to 12%. That's a lower gross margin business for us, primarily because of the delivery expenses associated with the e-commerce business.

It's a lower SG&A structure there, and it's a higher cost of goods sold structure in e-commerce. As we do a higher penetration in the business in e-com, that dynamic will change on the P&L as well.

Seth Sigman
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Lee, can you just quantify how much did that week shift impact the gross margin specifically?

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

It was $0.10 a share was the impact overall, and that's mostly gross profit dollars delivered. There's a little bit of SG&A in there, but it's mostly gross profit dollars.

Seth Sigman
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay. My follow-up question is around the reallocation of square footage that you're testing here. You're taking space away from outdoor. I know it's too early to talk about the sales lift, but I'm just curious, the categories that you are giving more square footage to, I guess, what is it about those categories? The demand trends in those categories, is it stronger? Did they not have enough space previously? Are they higher margin? Just how do we think about that strategy to reallocate square footage? Thanks.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Well, it's a little bit of everything. We talked about the outerwear business, we talked about the team license business, and also the baseball business. We think there's a big opportunity from a baseball standpoint. That's a business that's growing pretty significantly, primarily at the expense of football. As the football business has declined, the baseball business and soccer have picked that up. In all of these businesses, they are a significantly higher margin business than the hunt business. Now, it's a bit of semantics, but when you said you're taking business out of outdoor, we look at it a little different. We're taking business out of hunt, but the outdoor categories, if you take a look at camp, paddle sports, we're not taking space out of those categories. It's only the hunt category.

Seth Sigman
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Got you. All right, thank you.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Sure.

Operator

The next question is from Kate McShane of Citi. Please go ahead.

Kate McShane
Analyst, Citi

Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just with regards to the fourth quarter and holiday, could you talk a little bit about your approach for promotions and traffic drivers, given that inventory is a lot tighter and the categories are a lot healthier versus last year?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Yeah. We see that our inventory is in great shape. We don't see needing to be as promotional. We've got some more exclusive product. The product cycle is a terrific product cycle that's out there right now. We see this being much less promotional this year than it was last year, which is one of the reasons we were able to continue to increase our guidance.

Kate McShane
Analyst, Citi

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. Then with regard to footwear, it sounds like it was flat during the quarter on a comp basis. Was that in line with your plan, just given the level of newer innovation that you're seeing from the brands? Can you talk at all about how your full-service footwear stores are doing compared to the rest of the chain?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Yeah. We won't give specific guidance on the full-service footwear chains, but we're very pleased with that. We continue to gain momentum in those areas between access, et cetera. The sales were primarily flat and primarily because our inventory was probably too low in the key back-to-school time. We were a bit under inventoried there, and we're fixing that going forward into this quarter and into next quarter.

Kate McShane
Analyst, Citi

Well, was that a function of just how you planned, or was it because it was harder to get your hands on inventory this period for footwear?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

It was a planning piece and a strategy piece, which has been rectified.

Kate McShane
Analyst, Citi

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Robert Ohmes of Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

Robert Ohmes
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Hey, good morning, guys.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Hi.

Robert Ohmes
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Ed, I was wondering if you could talk about the investment in the new e-commerce DCs and maybe walk us through how you think about buy online, pickup in store versus shipping from store versus automated, putting up these two new facilities that are going to be very automated and are online only. Just maybe paint us the picture of where ultimately you see your omni-channel business shaking out.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Well, I think that these are all important distribution points. The consumer, as we all know, wants their product, how they want it, when they want it, and delivered in the way that they want it. This just gives us all the options to be able to do that. We feel that the investments we're making from an omni-channel fulfillment center in New York and California will get us to the customer because we have to do a better job of working on speed to customer. Lauren's been heading this up, so I'm going to let her answer the balance of the question here.

Lauren Hobart
President, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Yeah. I would just say, Robbie, we've been very focused on improving our speed and speed to customer. We've made small gains this year. Our goal is to get to the vast majority of our customers within two days. To do that, we just need to make sure that we have the right inventory in the right place around the country. We're leveraging our entire store network, and we're building these mini fulfillment centers and larger fulfillment centers so that we can take the speed question sort of off the table.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Let me just add one more thing to it. With these fulfillment centers, we're able to carry a larger assortment than what we carry in stores, so it allows us to keep orders together. They're more efficient than the stores. The automated facilities are more efficient. As labor costs go up, that efficiency is going to be important to us. We expect to continue to have significant growth in our e-commerce business over time. While we're not looking at real meaningful growth in our store count, we're already doing a tremendous amount to ship from store, orders from our stores, and we're concerned with keeping those stores in stock. As our e-commerce business continues to grow, we want to keep that ship from store business relatively level within our stores, so we can stay in stock for the walk-in customers.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

We've got a number of reasons from speed to quality, delivery to efficiency, to staying in stock in stores. There are multiple reasons why we're adding a couple of distribution centers.

Robert Ohmes
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

That's helpful. Just a quick follow-up. When you look through Black Friday and Cyber Monday, any color on just the balance of, was digital much stronger or less strong relative to store traffic? Any kind of thought on how the shift is playing out?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Well, we were very pleased with both channels, which we've said. As Lee said, it was the coldest Thanksgiving in a long time, which really played into our strengths. We were pleased with both online and stores.

Robert Ohmes
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

That's great. Thanks so much.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thank you.

Omar Saad
Analyst, Evercore ISI

The next question is from Peter Benedict of Baird. Please go ahead.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

I think there's some great Nike has got some great product coming out. We're extremely pleased with Nike on both the footwear side and the apparel side. We're pleased on the hard line side around golf with what we see with Callaway and TaylorMade. Going forward, we're happy with what's going on with some baseball product we see. We're just in a pretty good product life cycle. YETI's still doing very well for us. They've got some new innovation out there. Hydro Flask is doing very well. We're just pleased with the products that we see out there today. Not to mention what we're doing with our own products, whether it be CALIA, what we're doing in the fitness products.

We're going to be launching a new brand next fall, which we haven't really announced exactly what it's going to be, but we think it's going to be one of the biggest private brands we have. We're pretty enthusiastic about the product cycle out there, both from the brands and what we're doing internally.

We're going to be launching a new brand next fall, which we haven't really announced exactly what it's going to be, but we think it's going to be one of the biggest private brands we have. We're pretty enthusiastic about the product cycle out there, both from the brands and what we're doing internally.

Omar Saad
Analyst, Evercore ISI

That's very helpful. On the space allocation comments you had there, two questions. One, the YETI set, is that something that is just a holiday increase or is that something that persists after the holiday? Are you considering removing hunt from more than just those 10 stores? Is there a certain basket of stores out there that could make sense for as you look out into next year?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

The answer to the first question on YETI, yes, this is something we plan to continue into next year. We've bought it that way. We think our merchandising team, store team, visual team that all work together have put together, we think, probably the best YETI display in the country. We're very pleased with that. As it relates to the 10-store test, we'll have to wait and see how the 10-store test does. Early reactions, we're pretty pleased, but too early to make any conclusions. We are looking at a number of stores where the hunt business significantly underperforms, and we'll assess whether we want to take it out and replace it with these other categories if that ends up to be a smart thing to do from a business standpoint.

Omar Saad
Analyst, Evercore ISI

That makes sense. One last one for Lee. On the merchandise margin, as we think about the fourth quarter, you guys talked about probably a less promotional position here. There's been a favorable start to the season. Presumably, mix should be favorable. How should we think about the improvement in merch margin relative to maybe the cadence we saw here in the third quarter? Could it be similar, or should we not be expecting that much improvement?

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

I would not expect as much improvement in Q4 as we had in Q3. Q3 last year, we were really very aggressive markdowns. We weren't as aggressive in Q4 last year. The compare from a merch margin perspective for us is a little more difficult against Q4.

Omar Saad
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Okay, great. Thanks, guys.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Michael Baker of Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Michael Baker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hi. You guys sound like you're doing a lot of investments in e-commerce. How does that impact your P&L next year? Is it going to be an SG&A impact? Would that preclude you from growing your margins next year?

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Well, Mike, we're not giving guidance on the operating margins for next year. You're right, we're going to continue to invest in e-commerce. A lot of it is in fulfillments in the back half of the year, next year. Those investments will be mostly in CapEx, and then there'll be some in gross margin as we open up those buildings in the fall. Not much on the SG&A side.

Michael Baker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Secondly, any update on what you're thinking regarding your Field & Stream stores now that we're through another hunt season?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Well, we're not through the Excuse me. The specific answer to your question is we haven't made any decisions yet, and we haven't gotten through the hunt season. The hunt season is an important season in the fourth quarter, too, as big game season opens up in a lot of really high penetration hunting markets in the Northeast, here in Pennsylvania. We still have a little ways to go before we make a decision.

Michael Baker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. One more quick one. Any impact from the Red Sox winning the World Series? I have to get that one in there.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Yeah. Well, as a Yankee fan, I was disappointed. No, it was not a real big impact.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Yeah.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

We were pleased with it. Boston has won so many championships out of the last 15 years that it's getting to be expected. You don't get as big a jump out of Boston as we once did.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Overall, I'd say a little bit smaller than Houston. Not material to the overall results for the quarter.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Yep.

Michael Baker
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Okay, thanks.

Operator

The next question is from David Schick of Consumer Edge Research. Please go ahead.

David Schick
Analyst, Consumer Edge Research

Hi, good morning. I just wanted to go back and sort of clarify or understand something a little bit better. You've talked a lot about baseball and the opportunity there and some of the product cycle things you like with a pathway into 2019. Ed, as you started the call, you set a renewed focus on the enthusiast athlete. I just want to go back to that. Is that baseball, or do you see that in other sports, and would that be more of a top-line or margin sort of mix opportunity?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

We think it's a bit of both, a sales and a margin opportunity. Going back to this enthusiast athlete, we've kind of lost some of the product for that enthusiast athlete. We're going back and reinvesting in that. In baseball, as an example, in six of the 10 stores that we redid taking hunt out, we put in a batting cage and HitTrax, which were off the first tee, so to speak, we're pretty pleased with. It's a place where a young man or a young woman can come in and swing a bat. It's similar to TrackMan in golf, where they can measure their bat speed, the ball speed coming off the bat, the angle of attack. It gives them a tremendous amount of information about how they're hitting the ball. We can actually fit them with the best bat for them.

An enthusiast athlete wants that product. These baseball bats are now moving into some categories that are $300, $400, $500 for these bats. Last year we had a bat display of roughly 30 linear feet, we're going to have 80 linear feet of bats this year. A more enthusiast display of baseball gloves with the A2000 Heart of the Hide. In the outdoor category, we're going to have, from a kayaking standpoint, we're moving the quality in the enthusiast level kayaks, where we'll have kayaks that will be in that higher price points.

We've kind of reduced the investment in the marketing in these better products for the enthusiast athlete, and we're making a big change in that going forward into next year, which is why when Lee talked about that inventory at the end of the fourth quarter will be above last year, that's because we're making these investments in this product to service this enthusiast athlete going forward, and we want to be ready for spring.

David Schick
Analyst, Consumer Edge Research

That's very helpful. With some of those technology sort of in-store experiences, would you think about those in soccer and basketball as well? I know some of that's out there.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

I'm not sure we would in basketball right now, but in soccer, yes.

David Schick
Analyst, Consumer Edge Research

Okay, thanks.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Sure.

Operator

The next question is from Brian Nagel of Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Brian Nagel
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to focus on sales as well. Ed, just wonder if sales, at least headline sales numbers have been weak for a while. Clearly, as you articulated, there's a lot of moving parts there, particularly with categories like hunting and electronics. As you look deeper at the numbers, how are you tracking from a market share standpoint in some of your key categories?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

We actually think that we're picking up market share in a lot of the categories. We think we're picking up market share in golf, in the team sports category. There's a number of ones we think we're picking up market share. We're pretty enthusiastic going forward.

Brian Nagel
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Just maybe a follow-up to that. I mean, overall in the competitive environment, clearly there's been a pretty significant shakeout within your segment. Maybe we're lapping past that now. How do you view competition right now, either from a physical store standpoint or what's happening with the manufacturers and some of their direct-to-consumer efforts? Thanks.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

I'm not sure I understand the question, Michael.

Brian Nagel
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Well, no, I guess let me ask maybe quickly.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

All right.

Brian Nagel
Analyst, Oppenheimer

How do you view competition in the space right now? Competition's been an issue for a while. It seems like maybe it's subsiding. Do you overall view the competition as less severe at this point?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

I think it's better competition. I mean, obviously, what the brands are doing, I'll come back to that, but the brands are more competitive. What Amazon's doing is certainly, they're clearly our number one competitor. Then you've got Academy and a few people like that. The competition has gotten maybe less competitors, but the competition is better than it was in the past. I think the piece with the brands is, somebody will crab at me about this, but I think the brand as competitors is a bit overblown as it relates to us and a few other key retailers. Because the brands are very helpful in trying to drive our online business. They're very helpful to let us know what's going on with their business online. We share information.

I wish the brands weren't going direct, but they're also very helpful trying to drive our business online, and there's a real partnership there with the vast majority of the brands.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Also, Brian, I wanted to just reflect a little bit more on your market share question. With respect to the apparel business being up mid-single digits this quarter

Lauren Hobart
President, DICK'S Sporting Goods

We're in a pretty strong apparel cycle overall. Some of our competitors have been pretty strong in that space as well. I think we're at least holding our own in the apparel space right now, and we're doing that overcoming the Under Armour situation that we're dealing with. We think we're doing well on the apparel front.

Brian Nagel
Analyst, Oppenheimer

All right. Thanks, Lauren, for the clarity. Appreciate it.

Lauren Hobart
President, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thanks.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thanks, Brian.

Lauren Hobart
President, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thanks.

Operator

The next question is from Tom Nikic of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Tom Nikic
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. I just wanted to follow up on Under Armour a little bit. Ed, on the last couple of calls you've spoken about how you feel like the pipeline coming out of Baltimore is a little bit better. Could you just give us any updates on your thoughts on the Under Armour pipeline and also your thoughts around channel differentiation for that brand and if you think that you're seeing better differentiation there. Thanks.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

I think we're seeing better going forward as it relates to us. We've worked with Under Armour. We think things with Under Armour in our stores are getting better. We're enthusiastic about some of the plans we've got with Under Armour going forward. We think the vast majority of this headwind will be behind us as we come out of the first quarter of next year. We're enthusiastic about some meaningful parts of the Under Armour business.

Tom Nikic
Analyst, Wells Fargo

All right. One follow-up just on the cost side. Obviously, retail wages, there's been a lot of inflation there in the last couple of years. How should we think about wage inflation for you guys and in-store staffing levels and just general labor costs for your business?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

There's wage pressure, for sure. It's going to continue. We've got that baked into, obviously, what we were talking about for the fourth quarter. We're layering it into our budget for next year, which we'll talk about at the end of the quarter. There's definite wage pressure.

Tom Nikic
Analyst, Wells Fargo

All right. Thanks very much. Best of luck for holiday.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thank you.

Lauren Hobart
President, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Omar Saad of Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Omar Saad
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask a couple questions on digital. Last year, you announced the new technology officer, Paul Gaffney, to lead the tech efforts. Would love an update on some of the changes and opportunities he's made and opportunities he sees, changes you guys have made. I think you recently relaunched the new web platform. Maybe help us understand what some of the new capabilities are there, how you tie it into the app. Maybe just a little deeper update on what's going on digitally for you guys. Thanks.

Lauren Hobart
President, DICK'S Sporting Goods

We are incredibly pleased with how we're doing from a digital standpoint, both from a technology standpoint in terms of we mentioned last Q4 that we were digesting the new platform. It had launched in January of last year, and at peak volumes in Q4, we had had some issues last year. The technology team, under Paul's leadership, has worked incredibly hard to make the site incredibly resilient and stable, which is a gift that keeps on giving. Then in terms of speed of the site experience, checkout has been improved, and we think we have much more runway to go still to make the site an even better customer experience. As we mentioned, we're working on the fulfillment aspect of it. The entire company is working on a digital-first approach, and I would say that that's beyond technology.

It's in the e-commerce team, it's in the marketing team, where we're spending significant amounts of our marketing investment in the digital channels to help drive both brick and mortar and the e-commerce site. Digital is an enormous focus, and we're very pleased with the progress we've made.

Omar Saad
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Okay. That's helpful. Just one follow-up, if I may. Any update on Project Rock shoe? We've seen Under Armour doing a lot of content in the digital ecosystems talking about that shoe. I think it's exclusive for you guys, but maybe you could just give us an update, how you're thinking about that product.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

We're not going to give specific to a particular product like that. We're pleased with that, and we think that there's a lot of runway in that shoe, in Project Rock.

Omar Saad
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Is it exclusive, Ed?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

It's not completely exclusive. There's some other people that have it. Under Armour has it on their site, we're a big player in that.

Omar Saad
Analyst, Evercore ISI

Got you. Thanks. Good luck for holiday.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Scot Ciccarelli of RBC. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Lamazon
Analyst, RBC

Hey, thanks for taking my question. This is actually Jonathan Lamazon on for Scot this morning. Given the CapEx guidance has come down significantly, I was wondering if you could give some color around maybe your store strategy for Q and then just generally how you're thinking about it going into next year. Thanks. Well, we did bring down the CapEx forecast from $225 million to $165 million. There's about $40 million of timing differences in there, where we thought we were going to get to some of those items in the latter part of the fourth quarter, and they now look like they're going into the first quarter, and there's about $20 million of savings there. With respect to new store openings, we had guided some time ago that we would continue the slow pace of new store openings. We expect that to continue into next year.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Most of our CapEx going into next year are going to be around e-commerce fulfillment, technology, and more general technology around the e-commerce space.

As well as some standard kind of refixturing programs that we do in our stores.

Jonathan Lamazon
Analyst, RBC

Got you. That's very helpful. Just a quick follow-up, if I could, on the point you're making around e-commerce fulfillment. Is there a scenario in the future where you perhaps are no longer shipping from stores for e-commerce orders, or is there always going to be some mix? Thanks.

Lauren Hobart
President, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Yeah. This is Lauren. We believe we will always have some mix, and getting that balance right is important. It allows us to open up our entire inventory to all of our customers and maximize availability. It's not something that we see going away.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Also, when we get into the peak holiday seasons, it allows us to maintain the shorter shipping windows. As we get these big surges of business between Thanksgiving and Cyber Monday, that it's hard to handle out of a couple of buildings. Having all 800 locations shipping allows us to get the orders to the customers faster.

Jonathan Lamazon
Analyst, RBC

Understood. Thank you very much, and good luck this holiday season.

Lauren Hobart
President, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Sam Poser of Susquehanna. Please go ahead.

Sam Poser
Analyst, Susquehanna

Thank you for taking my question. Most have been answered. I do want to ask you about how you're handling some of the more, in apparel, some of the more fashion versus function apparel. A lot of these sort of more heritage brands are coming back with stuff, and wanted to see if you were participating in that.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

We are with some. The Champion brand has been great. We've got the Champion brand in, it's been terrific. We think that will grow pretty significantly going forward. We've got some work that we're doing with Puma. I know that we're not doing a lot right now, but the team is talking with Fila. There's a fashion component of this that we will play in. We'll be careful with the fashion side. We're really focused on that authentic enthusiast athlete, as we've always been. That athlete's looking for a little bit more fashion product, and we've got it from those brands. Nike, Adidas, we are really happy about the assortment we see coming in from Nike going forward.

Sam Poser
Analyst, Susquehanna

Thank you. Just two other just housekeeping. What share count do you have sort of assumed in the guidance now? Secondly, what's the tax rate that you have assumed with the guidance now?

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Hold on a moment.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Sam, can we follow up with you on that in a call a little bit later?

Sam Poser
Analyst, Susquehanna

Sure. Thank you.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Yep, no problem.

Operator

The next question is from Joseph Feldman of Telsey Advisory Group. Please go ahead.

Joseph Feldman
Analyst, Telsey Advisory Group

Yeah. Hi, guys. Good morning. Wanted to ask you about tariffs, I guess. Are you seeing any impact there, or how are you planning for it? Is that why you accelerate some inventory because of the constraints on the freight coming overseas? Or anything related to that would be helpful.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

There's a little bit of accelerated freight coming in for January. There's not really much of anything to speak of for the November quarter. As of right now, the tariffs are concentrated in our hard lines areas that we've got. There's been some devaluation of the yuan since the tariffs have announced. We are going to attack in a number of different ways. We've got a little bit of better pricing we can get out of China to offset some of that, and we'll be negotiating with our vendors to absorb some of that. Some of it will come through, and we'll have to, in some cases, raise our prices to our customers along the way. That'll play out over the course of the year next year, and it's kind of hard to determine what impact it'll have right now on sales or profitability at this point.

Joseph Feldman
Analyst, Telsey Advisory Group

Yeah. Can you remind us what your exposure is to the current tariffs?

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

We haven't specifically guided to that. A lot of it has to do with how our brands are going to handle it. We obviously know about it with respect to our own private brands and what we've got there, and based on the tariffs that are in place right now, it's not meaningful for next year for us. Again, it's going to come down to the negotiations with the brands and the factories going forward to determine the impact.

Joseph Feldman
Analyst, Telsey Advisory Group

That's helpful. Thanks. If I could follow up with one other one. Given what you've been removing with the hunt category, and I understand the expansion of some of those other baseball and team sports or licensed apparel. It may be too early to say this, are you guys rethinking the box at all, like in terms of the size of the box? Are you still pretty comfortable with it and maybe you just flex the different categories to still fill it and you still get the productivity that you would normally get out of that box?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

We feel pretty comfortable with the size of the box we have right now. As we take out the hunt piece and test this, there were categories that we felt were constrained, such as the team sports area. Baseball is one in particular. The licensed business is another category that we feel that we've got a big upside with that we just haven't been able to provide enough space to. In key cold weather markets, northern markets, that outerwork category, we think we've got the ability to expand there and provide a better offering to the athletes in that category. To answer your question, we're comfortable with the size of the box.

Joseph Feldman
Analyst, Telsey Advisory Group

Great. Thank you, and good luck with this holiday period. Thanks.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Matthew McClintock of Barclays. Please go ahead.

Matthew McClintock
Analyst, Barclays

Hi. Yes, good morning, everyone, and thanks for taking my question. Ed, I was wondering if we could focus on CALIA for a second, because it's been a couple of years or several years now of pretty positive comments that you've given to the brand. As we look forward now after several years of that type of growth, what are the main growth drivers for the brand? Is it expanded assortment? Is it new innovation? Is it better style, or is it just increased brand awareness? Thanks.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

There's a whole bunch. We continue to be really excited about CALIA and as the genesis of CALIA was really from Lauren and her team. I'm going to let her answer that question for you.

Lauren Hobart
President, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Yeah. CALIA has been an incredible success story. We have been talking about it, and we keep finding new ways to grow the brand. It's been getting into new categories. We have plans in the future to keep going, in terms of expansion of the type of product that we drive. We think the brand relevancy also just continues to grow. As a heavy user of the product myself, the product itself is beloved by people who wear it. So it's doing its own job of just driving incredible loyalty. You should give it as a gift and you'll see. It's a fabulous product.

Matthew McClintock
Analyst, Barclays

Thank you very much for the color.

Lauren Hobart
President, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Yep.

Operator

The next question is from John Kernan of Cowen. Please go ahead.

John Kernan
Analyst, Cowen

All right. Good morning, guys. Thanks for squeezing me in and taking my question.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

No problem.

John Kernan
Analyst, Cowen

Lauren, can you talk to what would drive the operating margin on the e-commerce business higher and more in line with stores at this point? We know its gross margins a little. I'm just wondering, as you make investments in fulfillment and other areas, is there an opportunity for this rapidly growing part of your business to become more profitable?

Lauren Hobart
President, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Yeah. There absolutely is, and we're working on profitability. Part of the reason for taking the site in-house was that we control our experience, and the other part was that we get much more leverage as we grow. We are very focused on e-com profitability. There are shifts, as we mentioned earlier, in terms of where expense goes into gross margin versus SG&A. Overall, we look at this business as highly profitable, increasing in profitability, and we do maintain a really indifferent look when we look between store sales and e-com sales, where we don't have a preference for where they come in.

John Kernan
Analyst, Cowen

Okay. Lee, just a follow-up on the CapEx question. It sounds like there's some shifts out of this year into next year, can you help us understand what you think is a steady run rate or maintenance CapEx level going forward as store growth slows? Obviously, going from where you were last year to where you're guiding this year, it's a big boost to free cash flow.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Right.

John Kernan
Analyst, Cowen

You could be generating almost over $400 million of free cash flow this year. I'm just wondering, is this CapEx run rate going forward more sustainable?

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Yeah, it's probably a little bit low this year, but it's much closer to this year's levels than certainly last year.

John Kernan
Analyst, Cowen

Got it. All right. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Adrienne Yih of Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Adrienne Yih
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question as well. I was wondering if you could talk about the real estate portfolio, or actually just in general, rents over the next year. How many lease actions do you actually have coming up over the next three years? Just trends on that line item. Then similarly, with regard to cost inflation on freight pressure, are you seeing, during the fourth quarter and then heading into first quarter, increases in shipping and air rates? Thank you very much.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Okay. We have 80-100 store leases coming due each year that we have options on. We have a very aggressive process to try to manage those costs down. With that many stores, we've got a lot of opportunity there. With respect to freight rates, we have seen meaningful increases in freight rate. We do very little in air freight, so it really doesn't impact us much. We have seen increases, particularly on the inbound freight side, not so much on the outbound side, because we've got dedicated fleets there. The inbound, we have experienced those increases. Expect those to carry into next year.

Adrienne Yih
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Okay, great. Thank you very much. Really quickly, what % of orders are currently on the free two-day shipping?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

We have a significant amount. We haven't guided to that exactly.

Lauren Hobart
President, DICK'S Sporting Goods

A large majority.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Very large. More than half.

Adrienne Yih
Analyst, Wolfe Research

Okay, great. Thank you very much, and best of luck.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thank you.

Lauren Hobart
President, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thank you.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thanks.

Operator

The next question is from Jim Duffy of Stifel. Please go ahead.

Peter McGoldrick
Analyst, Stifel

Hi, this is Peter McGoldrick on for Jim. Thanks for taking my questions. I was curious on the traffic and ticket breakdown. Are you able to give any further detail between the split between retail and e-commerce? You'd mentioned being pleased with store traffic. Is there any sequential improvement here?

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

No, we haven't broken that down in the past, so we won't be doing that today either.

Peter McGoldrick
Analyst, Stifel

Fair enough. How about on marketing? As you invest in digital marketing as a traffic driver, does that primarily benefit traffic to the site, or is that a store traffic driver as well?

Lauren Hobart
President, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Absolutely, we look to digital to drive both traffic to the site and to the stores, and we measure all of our returns on an omni basis. People at different points in the shopping funnel are doing different things in digital, and some of them are doing research that ultimately ends up in a store purchase.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

We are very focused on the omni return of that channel.

Peter McGoldrick
Analyst, Stifel

Okay. Thank you. If I could just for one more, on the merch margin expansion, you called out improved products as a driver. Could you give any further detail on this, excluding hunt and electronics? Is this a function of pricing against easier compares, or is this something that you can build on in the future?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

We think the product cycle is very good going forward. We think it's something we can build on going forward.

Peter McGoldrick
Analyst, Stifel

All right. Thank you.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Sure.

Operator

The next question comes from Camilo Lyon of Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Pallav Saini
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Hi. Thanks for taking our questions. This is Pallav Saini on for Camilo. Ed, since you've launched your own outdoor brand, have you shifted any floor space between the brands, based on the number of stores this brand is available in and the initial positive response that you've seen from the consumer?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Yeah, we're pleased with the response we've seen so far. We didn't launch this to the all stores. It's in a limited number of stores to test. I'm not sure exactly how many, but roughly 100 or so, 90 to 100 stores or so. They were mostly bigger square footage stores, so it was easy to kind of move those in there. We're very pleased with it, we think it'll be a bigger part of our business going forward to next year.

Pallav Saini
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Thanks for that. My second question is on the private label brand launch you mentioned earlier for next year. Can you provide any more color on, I think you mentioned fitness. Can you provide any more color on the category and the type of product that you'll be launching?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Not at this time, but we'll talk more about it either at the first quarter call or second quarter call.

Pallav Saini
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Thanks, and good luck for the rest of the holiday season.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thank you.

Pallav Saini
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Christopher Svezia of Wedbush. Please go ahead.

Christopher Svezia
Analyst, Wedbush

Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking questions. I guess first, just to clarify the electronic category, you still anticipate being out of that at the end of the fourth quarter. Going to next year, it's no longer a headwind. Is that true?

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

It'll be really small, the headwind will subside pretty significantly.

Christopher Svezia
Analyst, Wedbush

Okay. I guess Lee, for you, just on the merchandise margin, just to clarify something, the mix component related to the declines in hunt and the declines in electronics, any way you can quantify that more specifically as to what that's doing to your merchandise margin or maybe rank in priority or just maybe how we isolate that one specific dynamic against the other bucket in merchandise margin?

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

That's an important aspect of the growth in merchandise margin for us. Between that and reduced promotions, that's really what's driving merchandise margin.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

As we talked about last quarter, that hunt category is roughly 1,700 basis points below the company average.

Christopher Svezia
Analyst, Wedbush

Okay. It's fair to say it's a pretty significant piece of the merchandise margin improvement so far this year.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

I don't know if I would say a pretty significant piece, but it's meaningful.

Christopher Svezia
Analyst, Wedbush

Okay.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

We've had margin expansion in a number of categories that are go forward categories.

Christopher Svezia
Analyst, Wedbush

Last question I have is just, I know there's a lot of moving pieces here, but when you step back and look at the leverage point in the business, I remember back in the day, it used to be 10% sales growth, you can leverage occupancy. I know a lot has changed here, but what kind of metric or how should we look at the leverage point on occupancy and SG&A? Is that a 2 comp positive? Is it a 1 comp? Or just kind of what metric or how we should think about that as we move forward, that would be helpful.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

You can see the SG&A expenses were down for the quarter. I wouldn't expect them to be down every quarter, but I would say we're in that low single digits range.

Christopher Svezia
Analyst, Wedbush

Low single digit positive comp, you begin to leverage the occupancy and SG&A of the company in total. Is that fair?

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

A company in total, yep.

Christopher Svezia
Analyst, Wedbush

Okay. All right. Understood. Okay. Thank you very much and all the best around the holiday.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Thank you. You too.

Operator

The last question today is from Steven Forbes of Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead.

Steven Forbes
Analyst, Guggenheim Securities

I wanted to focus on the implied 4Q gross margin, since you mentioned flat for the year. Maybe if you can just speak to the magnitude or the change right, in some of the pressures you anticipate offsetting, what we think will be ongoing merchandise margin expansion in the fourth quarter. Any color on that would be helpful.

Lee Belitsky
CFO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

What we've got in the fourth quarter is we have one fewer week, and we have a calendar shift, both working against us. We have about $145 million less in sales due to those two factors to offset the fixed costs, in rent and within our distribution network as well. That's a significant drag for us. We obviously were forecasting comps to be down as well, which are kind of de-leveraging. The last piece is the e-commerce business becomes a much bigger part of the overall business for us in the fourth quarter, and that has a lower margin profile, primarily due to the delivery expense. All those three factors work against us in a much bigger way in the fourth quarter than they did earlier in the year.

As a matter of fact, the calendar shift was favorable for us in the first six months of the year. That was favorable from a fixed cost leverage perspective with regard to gross profit. That's turning around with the fourth quarter being the biggest item. Those are the main drags that we've got there. The last piece of it is the, working against us, is the change in timing of the ScoreCard rewards, the expiration of the points there. We picked up about $7 million of merch margin there in Q3, and that's going to reverse in Q4 and be about $7 million going the other way.

We've got a lot of, I'm going to call them calendar and sort of structural headwinds that are kind of fourth quarter only kind of items that we've got that are not indicative of anything going forward. Some of that benefit, again, we picked up in the first half of the year, which we had called out. Some of the benefit we had picked up in the third quarter. We don't think there's anything structurally wrong with the gross margin rates for the fourth quarter. It just all has to do with timing.

Steven Forbes
Analyst, Guggenheim Securities

Just a quick follow-up on private brand penetration. Can you help us with where that penetration rate is running year to date? Just remind us how private brand penetration differs by quarter, if it does.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Yeah, well, we're not going to get into that level of granularity by quarter. Our penetration continues to increase. We're happy with our private brands, but for competitive reasons, to get too much more granular than that, we're not going to go into it.

Steven Forbes
Analyst, Guggenheim Securities

Okay. Thank you.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

Great. Thanks.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Ed Stack for closing remarks.

Edward W. Stack
Chairman and CEO, DICK'S Sporting Goods

I'd like to thank everyone for joining us on the call today and look forward to talking to you about our fourth quarter results. Thank you.

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.