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Earnings Call: Q3 2020

Oct 22, 2020

Speaker 1

Good day, and welcome to the Dow Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Call. Also, today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Colleen Kaye, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Speaker 2

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us to discuss the third quarter financial results for Dow. We're making this call available via webcast and we've prepared slides to supplement our comments during this conference call. They are posted on the Investor Relations section of Dow's website and through the link to our webcast. I'm Colleen Kaye, Investor Relations' Vice President for Dow, and joining me on the call today are Jim Fitterling, Dow's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Howard Underleiter, President and Chief Financial Officer.

Please read the forward looking statement disclaimer contained in the earnings news release and slides. During our call, we will make forward looking statements regarding our expectations or predictions about the future because these statements are based on current assumptions and factors that involve risk and uncertainties, our actual performance and results may differ materially from our forward looking statements. Dow's Form 10 Q and 10 K include detailed discussions of principal risks and uncertainties, which may cause such differences. Unless otherwise specified, all financials were applicable exclude significant items. We'll also refer to non GAAP measures.

A reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure and other associated disclosures is contained in the Dow earnings release in the slides that supplement our comments today and on the Dow website. On Slide 2, you'll see our agenda for the call. Jim will begin with the 3rd quarter highlights and discuss the operating performance of the segments. Howard will share an update on our progress against the actions we are taking to further enhance our financial strength and then provide our market outlook and modeling guidance. Jim will close with some remarks on Dow's progress towards our sustainability targets and our competitive position for growth.

Following that, we will take your questions. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jim.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Colleen and thanks to everyone for joining us. On behalf of the Dow team, we hope that you and your families are healthy and safe. Starting on Slide 3, in third quarter, the Dow team delivered strong operating cash flow in line with the year ago period despite lower earnings as a result of the pandemic. As the global economy began a gradual recovery we captured demand growth from 2nd quarter lows across all segments. Our polyethylene business achieved 3% volume growth year over year.

And on a sequential basis, total company volume increased 9% with all businesses and regions achieving demand gains. We saw strength across furniture embedding, appliances, packaging, construction and automotive end markets. These results enabled us to deliver revenue that exceeded our original guidance and a more than 700 basis point improvement in operating EBIT margin versus the prior quarter. Sequentially, every segment and business posted margin gains led by the polyurethanes business and the Packaging And Specialty Plastics segment. Dow generated solid cash flow, delivering $1,800,000,000 in cash flow from continuing operations.

Free cash flow was $1,500,000,000, up more than $150,000,000 versus the same quarter last year, continuing our track record of improvement every quarter since spin on a year over year basis. Our cash flow conversion was 119% versus 96% in the same period last year. We returned $518,000,000 to shareholders through our industry leading dividend and continued to reduce net debt by approximately $1,100,000,000 in the quarter, down a total of more than $1,800,000,000 year to date These results were underpinned by the early actions we took at the beginning of the pandemic, which enabled us to benefit from the start Last month, we announced details on our restructuring program, which will deliver $300,000,000 in annual structural cost improvements. We finalized the sale of our North American rail assets in September and announced a second infrastructure divestment for select U. S.

Gulf Coast Marine and terminal operations. Both actions are aligned with our best owner mindset and are expected to deliver total cash proceeds of $1,000,000,000 by year end. We also enhanced our financial flexibility, increasing our cash and committed liquidity to greater than $13,500,000,000 and improving our liability profile We now have no substantial and we are on target to deliver on our previously committed 2020 operational expense reduction of $500,000,000. Finally, we advanced our efforts in sustainability to create new opportunities for growth, drive innovative solutions for our customers, and increase efficiencies throughout our operations. Now it's discipline and focus on capturing value from the unfolding recovery has positioned us to keep building on our strong performance further enhancing our competitiveness and advancing our ambition.

On Slide 4, I'll provide a review of our segment results. The improving economy though uneven allowed us to increased our operating rates across the enterprise, which are now approaching 1st quarter levels. Operating EBIT for the enterprise increased by $704,000,000 sequentially. Volume in the Packaging And Specialty Plastics segment rose 1% year over year as plastics demand remained resilient and our year to date polyethylene volumes exceeded the same period in 2019. While company net sales declined 10% versus the year ago period, primarily driven by lower global energy prices, packaging and specialty plastics segment price increases supported a 14% improvement in sales versus the prior down from the year ago period as targeted expense reductions and volume gains were more than offset by overall margin compression.

However, on a sequential basis, the segment grew operating EBIT by $329,000,000 and expanded operating EBIT margins by 6 thirty basis point driven by solid consumer and industrial sector rebound. The Packaging And Specialty Plastics business captured strong year over year demand growth in flexible food and specialty packaging, infrastructure, consumer and transportation packaging and health and hygiene applications. And compared to the prior quarter, the business delivered local price gains in all regions and double digit gains in the United States Canada and Latin America. Moving to the Industrial Intermediates And Infrastructure segment, operating EBIT was 104,000,000 down from

Speaker 4

the year ago period due

Speaker 3

to weaker demand and margin compression. On a sequential basis, the segment grew operating EBIT by $324,000,000, and expanded operating EBIT margins by more than 1200 basis points, driven by significant volume recovery in polyurethane applications, as demand rose for durable goods and construction end markets. The polyurethanes and construction chemicals business reported a net sales decline year over year, despite benefiting from demand growth in furniture, bedding and appliances. Compared to the prior quarter, the business delivered double digit volume growth in nearly all regions with particular strength in consumer durables, construction and automotive end markets. As a result of rising demand, we increased operating rates by approximately 20% over the second quarter.

The Industrial Solutions business reported lower net sales versus the year ago period, driven by decreased local prices and volume. Sequentially, the business captured increased demand primarily from solvents and intermediates as industrial markets began to recover. And finally, the Performance Materials And Coatings segment reported operating EBIT of $75,000,000, down year over year, primarily driven by margin compression in merchant siloxanes and reduced demand due to the pandemic. However, sequentially, the segment grew operating EBIT by $48,000,000, and expanded margins by 220 basis points, led by demand recovery and formulated silicones products and coatings. The Consumer Solutions business reported a decrease in net sales versus the year ago period.

Continued resilient demand in home care applications was more than offset by weaker demand year over year in automotive construction and high end personal care as a result of the pandemic. Compared to the prior quarter, the business delivered volume gains as industrial manufacturing activity, high rise building projects and mobility and transportation began to improve. The coatings and performance monomers business achieved volume growth in all regions except the United States in Canada, which were flat versus the year ago period. Demand increased in architectural coatings as residential construction market dynamics strengthened and consumers continued do it yourself projects. As a result, the business captured sequential double digit gains in nearly all regions.

Turning to Slide 5, our feedstock flexibility was again a key enabler of margin expansion, contributing to sequential operating EBIT margin improvement in the quarter. Base stock costs were higher than anticipated entering the quarter. However, our flexibility and agility to optimize fees in real time, asset by asset and furnace by furnace allowed us to capitalize on our cost curve advantage and drive incremental margins. We purposely built this capability, both people and assets around the world over many decades to take advantage of raw material and co product market dynamics. On the US Gulf Coast, ethane and propane have been the cost advantage feeds for more than 90% of the time over the past decade.

Dow's leading ethane and propane flex capabilities and our ability to reduce NASA to 0 have given us a competitive advantage. This is especially true in these volatile derivative markets, which have constrained operators who are more reliant on NAFTA. Altogether, this will continue to drive substantial value for Dow, not just in North America, but also in Europe, where Dow's LPG range, is four times greater than the industries. And these advantages extend to Dallas Heights in Argentina, Canada, and at our joint ventures in Asia Pacific And the Middle East, where we have optimized mixed feed cracker capabilities. Allstate's Talk flexibility advantage is reflected in the strength of our margins as showcased in our annual benchmarking results.

And with that, let me hand it over to Howard for more color on our financial results. Thanks, Jim, and good morning, everyone. Moving to Slide 6, through 2020, we have continued to improve our liquidity and liability profiles, execute against our unique cash levers and strengthen our competitive cost structure. Our discipline delivered a cash flow conversion of 117 percent on a trailing 12 month basis which has more than doubled since then. This cash generation has further strengthened our financial profile.

We increased total cash in available committed liquidity by $1,500,000,000 at quarter end to more than $13,500,000,000, representing a 28 percent increase over the with an in quarter reduction of $1,100,000,000. As Jim mentioned, we also continue to prudently manage our liability profile as well. We extended our net substantive debt maturity out by another year now to mid-twenty 24 with a debt neutral bond issuance in the quarter. This disciplined approach to prioritizing cash has enabled us to continue to improve our balance sheet, even through the pandemic. Something that has been a have driven a further reduction in our net debt to cap ratio since year end 2019, reflecting our improved leverage and positioning us well for the recovery.

We also continue to advance our unique to Dow cash levers, which are set to deliver over $1,500,000,000 in discrete cash tailwinds for the year. Entering the third quarter, we had already delivered more than $700,000,000 in cash. We were able to close our rail infrastructure sales 3 months earlier than originally planned, resulting in a cash proceeds of more than $300,000,000. We announced plans to divest select marine and terminal infrastructure assets. The targeted close for this transaction is early December, with more than 600,000,000 and demonstrate our best owner mindset and culture benchmarking, while locking in long term cost advantage access to these services.

Early in the year, we took additional actions to further streamline our cost structure and boost our competitiveness in response to the COVID-nineteen pandemic. Last quarter, we increased our 2020 operating expense reduction target to $500,000,000 and we are on track having delivered approximately 60% year to date. And our focus on releasing cash from our balance sheet has resulted in a decrease of more than $700,000,000 in working capital over the last 12 months. This has been aided by our structure of working capital interventions which contributed to the $137,000,000 and we will continue to target additional structural working capital improvements going forward. Recording a $575,000,000 charge comprised of severance, exit and disposal activities and asset write downs.

With a 2 year payback period, the program is expected to deliver total annualized EBITDA savings of more than $300,000,000 achieving a run rate of 50% by mid-twenty 21 and substantially complete by the end of 2021. The asset shutdowns target primarily small scale production facilities as we continue to balance supply to regional needs and will not impact our ability to meet customer demand. Altogether, our actions are producing increased financial flexibility and enhancing our competitiveness as the economic recovery gains momentum. Now moving and polyurethane businesses from the ongoing economic recovery, Sadara is also benefiting from end market resilience and market supply tightness. As a result, the JV's financial and operational performance continues to improve with an equity earnings uplift of approximately $100,000,000 year over year, And Dow's expected contribution for 2020 has now been reduced by 20% to no more than $400,000,000.

In addition, the structural changes that will be implemented to enhance Sadara's long term feedstock flexibility through additional ethane and an extension of natural gasoline allocation will improve its position on the global cost curve. Dow, Saudi Aramco and Sadara to get in a good progress toward debt re profiling with the lenders. We remain on target to have an agreement to re profile since our project financing debt by year end. Turning to our market outlook on Slide 8. In the first half of the year, we took aggressive action in response to the pandemic to reduce production to match demand, well ahead of the industry.

The economic recovery has generally progressed as we expected. However, the pace in the third quarter particularly in durable good end markets was faster than anticipated. In response, we quickly increased operating rates by double digits across the enterprise from the June low, This deliberate approach has enabled us to build cash and reduce net debt. Going forward, Dow is positioned to capture significant upside as the economic recovery strengthens. Indicators are signaling stabilization in key markets and geographies.

PMI, for example, has increased across China, EMEA and the U. S. And the U. S. Housing market is up 20% year on year.

The underlying demand trends combined with continued low inventories are leading to tight market conditions which presents additional opportunity for our portfolio to ramp our operating rates higher. Turning to our modeling guidance on Slide Moving to the fourth quarter, we expect the economic recovery will continue to improve, driving sequentially higher business results but tempered by typical seasonality, which has historically been anywhere from a 3% to 5% sequential impact on sales, and a 5% to 10% impact on EBIT. For modeling purposes, we suggest you use the midpoint of those ranges And as the quarter progresses, if things materially change, we'll be sure to provide an update. We see total sales in the range of 9.5 to $9,800,000,000. The strength we saw in the 3rd quarter in key value chains like polyethylene and isocyanates is expected to continue as durable good end market demand further rebounds and packaging demand continues to be resilient.

As usual, we're highlighting the key EBIT drivers in the quarter on sequential basis. In the Packaging And Specialty Plastics segment, we expect the robust consumer driven purchasing behaviors to continue for our Packaging applications. And with industry inventory levels at 5 year lows, we see support for the recently nominated October price increase. In the Industrial Intermediates And Infrastructure segment, continuing demand recovery in the automotive, construction and furniture and bedding markets should continue to support price increases normal seasonality in the northern hemisphere will be a headwind for coatings in the quarter. However, orders in automotive, electronics and construction end markets should provide demand gains for our differentiated silicone offerings.

We do expect we had a delay from the third quarter due to the hurricanes on the U. S. Gulf Coast. However, we are still on track to lower our turnaround costs by $100,000,000 for the full year I'd like to emphasize first half lows that benefited our 3rd quarter results to continue, growing at a moderate pace through the 4th quarter, absent any significant second wave pandemic impact. We remain confident that the decisive actions Dow has taken this year will continue to differentiate us in that environment.

With that, I'll turn back to Jim. Thank you, Howard. Please turn to Slide 10. In addition to our strong financial performance throughout this turbulent year, Now also launched breakthrough sustainability targets earlier this year focused on reducing our carbon footprint and addressing plastic waste. Sustainability is not a new concept at Dow.

In fact, for decades, it has been a defining factor in how we make decisions, run our operations, and innovate new products. These new targets reflect our longstanding commitment to apply our material science expertise to address the world's most pressing issues. We announced our intention to reduce Dow's net annual carbon emissions by 15% by 2030 and achieve carbon neutrality by 2050. New enabling process technologies will bring carbon efficiencies to our operations and provide higher earnings, such as our FCDH technology being scaled up at our Cracker in Plaquemines, Louisiana, as well as increasing Dow's renewable energy purchases at very competitive costs across the United States and Latin America and accelerating technology to electrify ethylene steam crackers. We also continuously innovate new products and solutions to help our customers meet their sustainability commitments and lower their carbon emissions.

For example, our SunSphere's Bio SPF Booster and Mays Care Style polymers are products that meet our customers' requirements for more sustainable personal care solutions. Secondly, we announced several actions to further our leadership role in driving a more circular economy. By 2030, that will help stop the waste by enabling 1,000,000 metric tons of plastics to be collected, reused or recycled through direct actions and partnerships. For example, our work with partners around the globe to construct infrastructure, like polymer modified asphalt roads, and to make products with post enabling 100 percent of Dow products sold into packaging applications to be reusable or recyclable. We are developing Circular Economy Solutions, such as investing in advanced recycling and offering recycled plastics with our recycled ready technology as part of our product portfolio.

We are already seeing the benefits of our actions as the market adoptions for these new solutions continues to grow and enabled us to drive lower costs and higher sales throughout our businesses. Sustainability will continue to be a critical driver In closing, on Slide 11, our strengthened financial flexibility, disciplined focus on cash, and the actions we have taken to reduce structural costs position us well to continue delivering value for Dow and our shareholders. Most of our markets have already seen significant improvement, and as the recovery broadens, we will begin to see higher margins as differentiated parts of our portfolio, return to more normalized growth. Our functional polymers, polyurethane systems and silicones businesses as highlighted in our annual benchmarking, deliver premium margins and represent significant EBITDA and margin uplift as social and workplace activities resume and durable goods demand continues to increase. In the meantime, We remain focused on strengthening our financial position, unlocking additional cash upside and successfully reprofiling SEDARRA's debt.

This financial flexibility will further enhance our competitiveness as we move forward, affording us an ability to seize the right opportunities for growth. We are also advancing Dow's commitment to ESG as we pursue our long term ambition to become the most innovative customer centric, inclusive and sustainable material science company in the world, driving long term growth as consumer demand rises for innovative, more sustainable solutions. These actions are underpinned by a unique consumer focused portfolio that has broad geographic product and market reach as well as industry leading feedstock flexibility, combined with our focus on low capital intensity investments, digitalization and innovation, We will continue to drive superior performance relative to our peers. Now I'll turn it back to Colleen to set up the Q And A.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jim. Now let's move on to your question.

Speaker 1

Thank you. You. And our first question will hear from David Begleiter with Deutsche Bank.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning. Jim and Howard, in terms of your capital allocation as your strength has improved, especially with the debt refinancing, you can have a lot of free cash over the next 2, 3 years. How do you expect to use that cash? It could be buybacks, could be some bolt on M and As, could be investment the business organically? Thank you.

Speaker 4

Good morning David. Thanks for the question. Obviously, we've done a great job managing cash and delivering cash from the machine. And as you say, we've paid down about $2,000,000,000 of debt this year. So as we look at next year and in the next couple of years, we're working on scenarios where we could be able to with discipline increase that CapEx from the $1,250,000,000 that we have this year.

Most of that $1,250,000,000 is going to safely and reliably operate the plants today and growth capital in downstream businesses like our Industrial Solutions business, polyurethane systems and formulated silicones businesses. As we free up a little bit more CapEx, it's going to go into quick payback projects, especially if anything that hits reliability and really improves things like cracker reliability come to the bottom line pretty quickly. So you should see that. And then once we get back above COVID demand growth levels, we'll start to look at more downstream CapEx investment. But I would say we'll open it up gradually and we'll wrap it as we see the demand improve.

As far as M and A, I would think any bolt on M and A would be relatively small. I don't know, Howard, if you want to comment on that.

Speaker 3

Yes, no big bang M and A, Dave. And I would that in addition to continuing to support our leading dividend, we also want to continue to de lever. So, we haven't set a target yet next year. We're ahead of pace this year, as you pointed out. We'll set a target, I'm sure, on the next earnings call.

But it'll be in the 500,000,000 $1,000,000,000 range is a first pass based on what we see today.

Speaker 1

Next, we'll go to Jonas Oxgaard with Bernstein.

Speaker 6

Good morning, guys.

Speaker 7

I have a 2 part of your mind on Sadara. I'm looking at the closest you had and you're talking about $400,000,000 cash in. But if I'm looking at the combined EBITDA, even if I assume Q4 is the same as is only about EUR 160,000,000 with EUR 250,000,000 of interest. And your debt is not going down. So my first part of the question is where has all that cash gone, is that to do the changes in the plants that you're talking about?

And then second part of the question is how should I think about 2021 here then? Your talk about cash sustainable cash flows, which I'm assuming means zero cash in from Dow, how do you plan to get there? Does that seems to require pretty significant increase in EBITDA for 2021?

Speaker 4

Yes, Jonas, I'm going to let Howard unpack it, but just remember the cash going into Sadara is our portion of the principal repayments on the project financing, which is why the debt re profiling by the end of the year is a big target for us. So Howard, why don't you unpack like the EBITDA recon and also progress on how we're doing on debt re profiling?

Speaker 3

Yes, Jonas, good morning. Look, I think, let me start with the Adara's operational performance. And I would say that they're on their 3rd quarter numbers were $100,000,000 improvement from an equity earnings perspective versus the same quarter a year ago, they also saw sequential improvement. And I would also say that they are on track right now to have So I think their operational performance is doing very well. They've taken cost out.

Obviously, they're also benefiting from the snapback in demand that we've seen in a durable good areas in the Urethane chain as well as the resilient demand that we've seen in our core business in packaging. When you think about where the money is going, Jim, Jim hit it on the head, which is remember, right now, it's project financed. Project financing means they've got about $1,000,000,000 of principle coming due every year. So that money is going to principal paydown. That's why we're so focused on the re profiling.

And I would tell you that we made really substantive progress with the ECAs that are in the syndicate, in the third quarter. We're now in the process of engaging with the commercial lenders and the Secook investors, and we remain on track to get a deal done by the end of the year. So we're feeling really good about that. And remember that the reprofiling, our target on reprofiling is for Sadara, to be in a position of cash flow self sufficiency by January 1. And so that is the thought process.

And we're on track to make that happen. We don't have it done. We still have work to do, but watch this space. I'm really pleased with the team We've got Saudi Aramco, Sadara and the Dow Treasury teams that are working collaboratively, with each of the lenders in the lending syndicate. So more to come a good progress so far.

Speaker 1

We'll next move on to Vincent Andrews with Morgan Stanley.

Speaker 8

Thanks, and good morning, everyone. Building on your comments about the strength in polyethylene markets and your expectation for pricing in October, Maybe you could just help us understand how you're anticipating the balance of the quarter playing out normally November December in particular. We tend to see some price declines. So you think those will be, there'll be price declines or do you think that the demand strength that you're seeing there is robust enough to keep those at a minimum despite the fact that there's a good amount of Chinese capacity coming. And then just what's your expectation for ethane as these new crackers, sorry, now as these cracker restart post the hurricane outages?

Thanks.

Speaker 4

Good morning, Vincent. Good question. And let me, I'll take PE first and then I'll come back to ethane. I think one of the reasons we had better performance in third quarter was demand was stronger for longer than we expected and inventories were lower. Than anybody expected.

We also had higher operating rates at Dow, but also throughout the industry. And we did have some impact from, quite a bit of capacity offline as we ended the 3rd quarter. My expectation is demand is going to continue to be strong. It's been stronger. Polyethylene demand has been stronger year over year, every month, all year long.

Even through the second quarter, which was a very sharp downturn. So I think that bodes well. For pricing through the quarter. And I think our average price through the quarter will probably tick up slightly. Remember it started low and it ended up about $12 through the quarter in the 3rd quarter in the U.

S. I would say we'll hold on to that and maybe pick up slightly on average for the quarter. On ethane, there's been a lot of speculation on what's going to happen with ethane. I would say natural gas looks to me like it's going to stay about where it is. It might rise to as much as 3.50 through the winter, but I don't see anything that would indicate that there's going to be a big spike up in natural gas.

And on ethane, you have to remember that frac spreads as they improve bring a lot of ethane to the market. What we saw in June July, frac spreads got up to $1.50 a 1,000,000 BTU and that was enough to bring 300,000 barrels per day of ethane to the market. So I expect frac spreads will increase a little bit. We might see ethane prices bump up a couple of cents in the fourth quarter from where they've been. But as those frac spreads increase, people are going to bring some more capacity into the market.

Speaker 1

And next we'll move on to Jeff Zekauskas with JP Morgan.

Speaker 8

Thanks very much. In your geographic description of your growth, I thought the results were, different than what I would have expected. In that in the U. S. And Canada, your volumes were down 9%.

In Europe, they were up 4%. In Asia, they were flat. And I would have thought that Asia would have been stronger in Europe weaker, maybe the U. S. Stronger.

Can you talk about those overall trends and whether you expect them to continue. And then quickly for Howard, accrued and other liabilities moved from $2,700,000,000 to $3,400,000,000 in the quarter, sequentially. What's a normal number for accrued and other liabilities for Dow.

Speaker 4

Good morning, Jeff. I'll take the geographic question. I'll let Howard talk about the liabilities. I would say the recovery is probably more market driven globally than it is geographically driven. We've seen similar patterns in all the geographies on what's coming back in the market.

So food and specialty packaging, industrial packaging. We saw a big tick up in construction We saw durable goods, electronics, all appliances up. And we saw that across all the markets. We saw automotive make a big comeback. I would say what you get into region by region would just be differences that you might see in a region.

For example, siloxanes was a bit slow in the third quarter in Asia, and we have a pretty sizeable footprint there. And then polyurethanes, obviously, is a big footprint in Europe. And while it ticked up globally, we still have some room there to grow. So I wouldn't read much into it, from a geographic standpoint. I think the markets are continuing to prove I think Latin America probably made one of the stronger snapbacks, that we saw, especially Brazil in the third quarter.

So we're keeping an eye on that, but, it's really more market driven. And Howard, do you want to touch liabilities?

Speaker 3

Yes, Jeff, great question. I'm impressed with your diligence in the back of our press release. Look, I would say that, the $3,400,000,000 number is definitely increased the biggest driver is the restructuring, right? So we announced the restructuring of 6% of our labor cost And so we accrued in the quarter for all of the charges. And that obviously comes into the accrued and current liabilities.

The other item is with the higher performance. There's a slight increase in the performance comp expectation. That's an annual bonus program. We'll see how the 4th quarter turns out, but those are the 2 big drivers of the increase. So that 3.4 number will move around, but as you get through 2020, 2 in 2023, it'll come down by about the $300,000,000, which was the biggest chunk of the step change because of the accrual.

Speaker 1

And we'll move on to Frank Mitsch with Permian Research.

Speaker 9

Good morning, folks. And impressive quarter. And it came in 18%, 19% higher than the guidance that you offered in the middle of September. So obviously you ended the quarter on a tear. Can you talk a bit more about how that's surprised you.

And here we are 3 weeks into the fourth quarter, how sustainable is that higher level of performance?

Speaker 4

Yes, good morning, Frank. Thanks for the question. And I would say a few things that changed. We had expected to have turnarounds in the 3rd quarter. And because of the hurricanes, turnarounds came in lower by 50,000,000 in the quarter.

Now some of that slides now into the 4th quarter, because we had to take the plans down. And we had about $200,000,000 of improved polyethylene and isocyanates pricing strength between when we guided and and the end of the quarter. So I think those are the 2 big things. The other thing I would say, and just credit to team Dow, fantastic job of blocking and tackling price, volume management and running the assets. We move quickly in second quarter to take operating rates down to match demand and manage cash and liquidity.

And we did that really well. And then we brought them up quick as we saw in 3rd quarter that things were improving. And I think we capitalize on both ends of that curve. And so, and then on top of that, we were a little bit lucky too. We have to say that, that we did not get a direct hit from the hurricane.

So we were able to navigate through that and get the plants back online relatively quickly. Those would be the big moving parts.

Speaker 1

Next we have Bob Court with Goldman Sachs.

Speaker 2

Thanks very

Speaker 8

much. Jim, I'm wondering, you know, we said such volatility in regional margin pads for the polyethylene business over the last year. Do you see ramifications broadly on future expansions? Do you think this is going to chill some ambitions globally? Or can we give us some perspective on how you see this next wave of polyethylene that might come into the market over the next couple of years?

Speaker 4

Yes, good morning, Bob. Good question. I think it has chilled some, substantially. And I think it will continue to chill some more. And on top of what you talked about on demand, you've got to remember there's a lot of pressure on the industry right now to be able to get carbon reductions and get CO2 emissions down.

So as you continue to bring on new capacity, people are going to look at that new capacity and they're going to look at your carbon footprint and try to determine what are you doing to your total carbon footprint? That's one of the reasons that we're working on about 4 technologies in the process technology side in the ethylene production and propylene production area that are all geared towards being able to build, future plants that could potentially be 0 carbon crackers and also being able to retrofit existing plants where we might be able to get a 20% to 40% reduction in CO2 footprint. So we're doing that for ourselves, but we're also doing that because we think that could be a revenue and licensing stream for us going forward. So I would stay tuned, but I think you're starting to see people, pull back a little bit on projects And that's why we pivoted pretty quickly to manage cash and liquidity through this. So that when we get through the pandemic, we come out with a strong balance sheet And we have the capability and the flexibility that we need to not only grow, but to do it in a way that helps bring that carbon footprint down.

Speaker 1

And John Roberts with UBS will have our next question.

Speaker 9

Thank you. 2 of the contributors to polyethylene strength, I think, were low channel inventory going into the recession and a temporary switch away from recycled plastic towards virgin. Have inventories normalized in the channel? And are you seeing any signs of a move back towards recycled?

Speaker 4

I would say inventories at the end of third quarter continued to be low. In fact, they probably went down at the end of the quarter from where we started at the end of second quarter. So I don't see any change there. And on virgin, plastics, John, I think today with recycled rates, and we see this as well. When people are looking to recycle plastics, back into new materials, it's requiring virgin materials to blend with that capability.

So I don't think recycling necessarily displaces all the virgin material. I think you still need plenty of virgin material to make the quality that you need for that end spec. Think that will change over time, but there isn't going to be an impact over the next couple of years.

Speaker 1

And up next, we'll hear from P. J. Juvekar with Citi.

Speaker 2

Good

Speaker 6

question on siloxanes. It's weak due to excess supply in siloxanes. So how quickly can you get your merchant siloxins into downstream silicones? And would that cause over capacity in silicones? And my second question is, you've talked about best owner mindset.

You've done some divestitures here. Would Sadara be a long term holding for you? Post your bank agreements? Thank you.

Speaker 4

Yes, on P. J. On the side log sales question. I think, I think the real issue is just addressing the merchant siloxanes capacity. So we've done some things, obviously, to take some of that capacity idle.

And that was part of the 3rd quarter charge that we put in there. So we're going to hide a little bit of capacity in siloxanes. For downstream silicones, very diverse markets, I think we can continue to invest in downstream silicones, formulated silicones investments and continue to chew up that merchant side log stains business without getting into an oversupply situation. So we see it in automotive. We see it in construction, all very strong.

It goes into appliances. It goes into all kinds of food packaging and specialty packaging. So I think you're going to see there are plenty of growth areas, for the downstream of siloxic silicones without really overpowering that. And as for Sadara, first things first, our goal here is to get Sadara refinance and get that $500,000,000 a year off. So a $500,000,000 cash improvement every year for Dow.

And then when we get past that we'll start to have a look at long term where we think can happen. SEDAR is improving. You can see it in the rates of 3rd quarter, and we're not we're not at cycle averages yet, in terms of EBITDA growth. So this is what Sadara can do at some pretty low levels. We probably got another 20% up before we get to cycle averages on EBITDA.

And we'll take that into account and look through the cycle and what the outlook is before we get into any discussions about that.

Speaker 1

And next we'll move to Steve Byrne with Bank of America.

Speaker 10

Yes, good morning. I wanted to drill in a little bit more on this, this $300,000,000 cost savings initiative how much of that would you say is actual headcount reduction versus workforce costs like T and E And the other bucket could be the asset rationalization. And what do you think the net benefit could be in 2021? And in COGS and SG And A.

Speaker 4

Howard, do you want to take that and kind of unpack what the costs are?

Speaker 3

Yes. Look, I would say from a hard dollar savings standpoint, you should expect about $150,000,000 to drop the bottom line in 2021. And then the balance of the 300 another 150 in 2022, it includes a 6% reduction in our workforce costs. So that doesn't mean 6% headcount. I mean, obviously, we're trying hard to trim the high end of the pyramid.

Obviously, we're also looking at just streamlining. When you think about it from a segment level perspective, it's about a little bit more than a third in PMSP and then the balance split between industrial intermediates and performance materials and chemicals. Good morning. I have a question about the costs or burdens from your ESG initiatives or the direction you're going in? I guess could you touch on your current thinking about the CapEx or return on capital on recycling versus virgin plastic.

And for the carbon neutral targets, how disruptive would it be for Dow to pull forward that target by say 10 or 15 years, if that's the direction the political winds end up blowing?

Speaker 4

Yes, good morning, Lawrence. Let me talk a little bit on the carbon side. Clearly, the source of carbon emissions comes from generation of power. Burning natural gas and burning natural gas and the furnaces in the cracker. On energy, Alternative Energy, we have a target to create to contract as much as 7.50 megawatts of alternative energy wind and solar.

And most of that is competitive or less expensive than what we produce today. So that has a net value add to it. Obviously, we can't do everything. There becomes a limit on what I can do with wind and solar because I need 20 fourseven available dispatchable power and I need steam. And so as we look at the future growth, we're looking at cracking and process technology around FCDH, which is a way to make propylene out of propane and do it with about a 20% lower carbon emissions.

And that I think can be, equal to or better than return on capital than what we typically approve, in our projects. We're also working on, and these are all smaller dollar right now, pilot scale activities. We're also working on that same technology for ethane to ethylene. It's obviously a little bit tougher to make that happen. That could be as much as a 40% reduction in CO2 footprint.

Obviously, pulling things forward will depend on those technologies proving themselves and then looking at the total capital that we have spend over time to make that happen. And as you know, some of these assets are very profitable. So you want to have a game plan for how you do this over time. I would say the other area that we've got to be sensitive to is that on the recycling side is recycling is going to need public policy, as well as recycling targets to make things happen. One of the reason it doesn't happen today is because it's more expensive to recycle than it is to make virgin material.

So one of the things we're working on around the world, Europe, United States well as what does the policy need to look like. In a linear economy, the cheapest thing to do is for your plastic waste to go to a landfill. And obviously, if we stay in a linear economy, we run the risk that there's more plastic waste ends up in places like the ocean. If we want to close that, we've got to create the right incentives to close that loop and bring it back in. There's technology to do it today.

More than 80% of what we make today can be completely recycled, but it isn't. And that really has to do with local policies and costs, and we've got to tackle that issue.

Speaker 1

And we'll move on to Christopher Parkinson with Credit Suisse.

Speaker 4

Good morning. This is Kieran on for Chris. I'm just wondering demand for polyurethane

Speaker 8

morning. Demand for polyurethanes clearly improved substantially in this quarter. I know it's a little bit early can you discuss any preliminary demand trends you're seeing in 4Q and maybe how you view 2021 versus 2019 demand levels? That would be helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 4

We saw double digit volume growth quarter over quarter. And it primarily was driven by consumer durables, appliances, construction and automotive end markets So they're up, although some of them are still below, last year's levels. Automobile, for example, is up, but it's still below 2019 levels. I think it's going to continue appliances are still very, very strong And there's a lot of backlog on appliances and the supply chains after what we went through in 2nd quarter and into 3rd quarters, supply chains are tight in some areas. So you're seeing a lot of backlogs and we're catching up with that demand.

So I think it's going to continue through fourth quarter for sure. And then we'll keep an eye on how it goes beyond that. China, I would say already in almost all markets has returned to pre COVID levels. And so we may actually start to see overall growth in China, which would be good I would say some markets, in the rest of the world like appliances, like packaging, are at pre COVID levels, but not all. And automotive is still shallow to pre COVID levels and probably will be, for a couple of years, I expect.

Speaker 1

And we'll move on to Kevin McCarthy with Vertical Research Partners.

Speaker 4

Good morning. Jim, just to continue the dialogue on polyurethanes, I was curious to hear your thoughts on this supply side, we've seen a number of force majeure declarations. Can you speak to where you think inventory levels are in MDI and polyols, as well as operating rates and prospective pricing outlook in the chain? Yeah, good morning, Kevin. Things are tight as a drum right now on MDI and propylene oxide.

I'd say polyols may be a little bit better, but it's propylene side that's pretty tight right now. And I think that's going to continue. Obviously, when you have an upset in the isocyanates operation, you want to get it back as soon as you can, but it sometimes takes a while to get back up and get lined out. So I think things are going to be tied through the fourth quarter. Could extend into the first quarter.

We're managing. We're working very closely with customers to try to keep them running. And try to keep enough allocation to everybody so that we can support them through. But it's a lot of heavy lifting by the team right now.

Speaker 1

And we'll move on to Arun Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets.

Speaker 5

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I guess, I just wanted to get your thoughts similar type of question, but, there's been some chatter of potential restocking in certain end markets maybe the first half of twenty twenty one. I guess, would you agree with that? I'm just curious just because it seems like some of your markets, you're back to normal levels, maybe in construction and so on, and you mentioned China is kind of back there.

But maybe if you can touch automotive and construction in some of these areas. Do you expect more restocking in the first half of next year or are we kind of back at normal levels?

Speaker 4

Arun, I'm not sure I would characterize it as restocking or just getting back to, target levels of supply. I think we've we've dipped in some of the supply chains below target inventory levels, and that's made them the supply chains less robust. And on top of that, you've got global trade issues, which really complicates some of the supply chains as well. So I think people would like to get back to normal inventory levels. I'm not sure I would call that restocking or stocking up.

I think just get back to a more resilient supply chain because we're doing this today. And has taken a toll on people. The second thing I would say is that coming out of COVID, we're pivoting to more digital capabilities. And one of the things that we're able to do with digital channels is have better line of sight to market demand and we're able to match operating rates to demand. And so I think you're going to see a change in behavior in terms of how people operate that they're going to have a much better visibility on the demand side and they're going to be able to titrate that.

And so you won't see big swings up and down in inventories, you'll see things be more tightly managed, especially in a period of time like this where Cash is king and you need to focus on cash and liquidity.

Speaker 1

And we'll move on to John McNulty with BMO Capital Markets.

Speaker 10

Yes, thanks for taking my question. So maybe bit of a follow-up to what you were speaking to earlier. On the packaging and specialty plastics area, when I look at the outlook that you guys have, for 4Q versus 3Q, the flat to up 3% or so. I guess to me, it seems like something's missing here, because the pricing looks like it it should be solidly better than that. The demand environment given low inventories also sounds like it should be at least a modest improvement.

So are there are there other puts and takes that we should be considering or is it just a conservative outlook? I guess, how should we be thinking about that?

Speaker 4

Yes, I remember I talked about the turnarounds. So the turnarounds that were in 3rd quarter that got moved in the 4th quarter are going to hit, packaging, especially plastics segment. And so they get most of that $100,000,000 cost. You can add back, we had about a $50,000,000 impact in the third quarter from Hurricane, Laura, you can add that back. So $100,000,000 of turnaround costs take $50 off of that.

So you've got that, which is weighing on it. And then we're expecting ethane price to go up a couple of cents during the quarter. Those are the biggest moving parts.

Speaker 1

And next we move on to Jim Sheehan with Truist Securities.

Speaker 5

Good morning. Just on your sustainability initiatives, what are the incremental costs of reducing the carbon emissions and collecting the 1,000,000 tons of plastics for recycling by 2030. And unclosed the loop, would that increase or decrease your mid cycle EBITDA and roughly by how much?

Speaker 4

Jim, I don't know that I would characterize the carbon reductions as incremental costs. I think as you look forward, it will be reflected in where we decide to spend our capital spending and how we decide to improve those assets. We want to do this, in a way that's neutral or positive to the company's results. That's why we're focused in on process technology and catalysis as a way to do it. And those are the near term improvements that we're looking to make.

And also remember that we have older assets, in the fleet. And so some of those that are at end of life have of the higher carbon intensity and carbon footprint. So what we decide to do with older assets can have a big impact as well. On closing the loop, it isn't like we're going to pay to close the loop, in the marketplace. There is market demand for recycled materials.

And so we're working with partners to create innovative solutions to make that happen. And we're working with the marketplace, to get the capital markets involved. So we're working with people like the recycling partnership, closed loop partners and we're trying to come up with business models that in and of themselves are sustainable. And that will allow that plastic to come back in And in some cases, get blended with virgin plastics to make the final end product.

Speaker 1

And that will conclude today's question and answer session. At this time, I would like to turn the call back over Colleen Kaye for any additional or closing remarks.

Speaker 2

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Speaker 1

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