Earnings Call: Q4 2020

May 12, 2020

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Dynatrace fiscal 4th quarter 2020 earnings conference call. At this time Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. Thank you. I'd now like to hand the conference over to your speaker for today. Michael with Investor Relations, please go ahead. Thank you, operator. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today to review Dynatrace's fourth quarter fiscal year 2020 financial results. With me on the call today are John Van Sicklin, Chief Executive Officer and Kevin Burns, Chief Financial Officer. After prepared remarks, we will open up the call for a question and answer session. Before we start, I'd like to draw your attention to the Safe Harbor statement included in today's press release. During this call, we'll make statements related to our business that may be considered forward looking within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Exchange Act of 1933 as amended and Section 21E of Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended. All statements other than statements of historical fact are forward looking statements in statements regarding management's expectations of future, financial and operational performance and operational expenditures, expected growth, and business outlook, including our financial guidance for the 1st fiscal quarter fiscal year 2021. Forward looking statements reflect our views only as of today and except as by law, we undertake no obligation to update or revise these forward looking statements. Please refer to the cautionary language in today's press release and to our latest Form 10 Q, which was filed with the on January 31, 2020, and our other SEC filings or discussion of the risks and uncertainties that could cause results to differ materially from expectations. During the course of today's call we will refer to certain non GAAP financial measures as defined by Regulation G. The GAAP financial measure most directly comparable to each non GAAP financial measure used or discussed and a reconciliation of the differences between each non GAAP financial measure and a comparable GAAP financial measure can be found within our 4th quarter fiscal year 2020 earnings press release in the Investor Relations section of our website at dynatrace.com. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to our Chief Executive to John Van Sicklin. John? Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on our Q4 and year end fiscal 2020 earnings call. In late January, when we last broadcasted a Dynatrace earnings call, the COVID 19 pandemic has dramatically impacted families, communities and businesses around the world in a way that we never thought possible. It is our hope that everyone is staying healthy and safe, and that those who have become ill have a speedy recovery. And of course, our hearts go out to those who have suffered the tragic loss of loved 1. The sudden shift to remote work has caused applications and the clouds they run on to become an even more essential way to provide services drive revenue, engage customers to help them respond to their rapidly changing workloads and requirements, enabling faster innovation, easier collaboration and greater efficiency without wasted motion. Despite these challenging times, I believe our strong platform differentiation balanced business model and world class team continue to provide us with a durable growth business. I'd like to reinforce three points this morning. First, the success with which Dynatrace has responded to COVID-nineteen and what we are seeing across our customer base and market at large. 2nd, as this marks our 4th earnings call and the end of our fiscal 2020, I'd like to update you on the tremendous progress we've made in both our customer conversion and subscription business model transitions. And third, as our platform becomes increasingly robust, across all modules and automation and AI become critical success factors for dynamic multi cloud observability. I'd like to update you on some of the platform advances we've recently made and the success of our cross selling motion of emerging products. This will be an important growth area for us as we look ahead. First, I could not be more proud how the Digitrace team responded to the challenges of COVID-nineteen. To the modern SaaS platform and agile workforce, We transitioned to work from home almost overnight and did not miss a beat. We made sure we kept running so our customers could keep running. Not only were we essential to assuring the rapid shift to work from home was successful for our customers around the world. We also provided essential situational awareness to ensure business continuity of run the business applications, services, and workloads for banks, healthcare companies, logistics companies, government portals, and more. So despite what was essentially a 2 week pause, during mid March as a shock of the global pandemic took hold and many of our customers were focused on the health and safety of their employees. And establishing their work from home programs. We closed a solid Q4 with ARR up 42% year on year, and subscription and services revenue, up 37% year on year. Linearity and close rates were generally in line with prior Q4s, new logos were up year on year and our net expansion rate was above 120% for the 8th consecutive quarter. We believe the strength of our results is largely a reflection Software eating the world has been a powerful multiyear trend that is still in the early innings. And the rapid move to online commerce and work from home initiatives that made the uptime and performance of the underlying software applications and infrastructure more important than ever. The Dentistry's platform addresses these pain points, and it is fast to deploy and scale with rapid time to value. We believe and our customers share this sentiment that this place is Dynatrace near the top of the strategic IT priority list. The strong majority of our ARR, roughly 80 to 85% is outside of industries more challenged by COVID 19. And we also have strength in surging markets, such as health care, e learning, communications, and government. Our customer base is highly diversified and we focus on the top 15,000 largest enterprises around the world. This said, we do estimate that approximately 15% to 20% of our ARR is with enterprise customers that we considered to be in industries that are facing headwinds due to the health pandemic, such as travel, hospitality, retail, and automotive. It is prudent to expect that However, at the same time, within these industries, we are typically working with some of the largest and financially healthy companies. And our solution is near the top of their priority list. What we have seen over the past 8 weeks has shown us that essential applications and transformation projects continue to move forward even within industry's experiencing headwinds. For example, we did a sizable expansion deal in Italy in late March. This energy company wanted to assure continuous, high quality service throughout the country and if issues arose, proactive address them before service was impacted. In the past, reacting after a failure occurred and service was already disrupted was not unusual. You can imagine with COVID and mandatory shelter at home, high quality energy service was an imperative. Dynatrace's rapid automatic rollout and unified approach to identifying service impacting issues at time of degradation, with precise actionable answers or rapid remediation. Made the Dynatrace expansion decision straightforward. Another customer example was an oil company, a new logo to Dynatrace. In the midst of maybe the greatest disruption to the oil business in history, this company determined it was essential to revamp and modernize its commodity trading applications, and the technology stack was running on, a shift to cloud for agility and efficiency, or a set of revenue driving applications and services. They chose Dynatrace because of simplicity, advanced automation, and rapid time to value. It's too early to tell what the specific net impact of COVID 19 will be across our overall customer base and target market. But with a solid Q4 close and fast start to our June quarter with April bookings a bit stronger than a year ago. We are encouraged that we can generate solid growth even with an assumption that we will continue to operate within a challenging macroeconomic backdrop. Shifting now to our progress converting our customer base and transitioning our business model. FY20 was a fantastic year. We are where we hoped ahead of schedule. We now have 92% of our ARR on the Dynotrace platform with only 8% left on our classic product set. We added over 1000 new customers to the Dynatrace platform this past year, now over 2300 customers with the majority continuing to be new logos. As we said before, nearly all these customers use Dynatrace for observing and optimizing cloud workloads. These clouds may be public, they may be hybrid, or what we see more and more often now, they are multi cloud. Multipublic with hybrid back ends, where critical systems of record and many run the business applications so reside. More often than not, Kubernetes is used for container orchestration. And more and more look to multiple DevOps teams utilizing the latest cloud native techniques to rapidly build, deploy and manage applications and workloads at scale. With this combination of complexity, dynamism, and frequency of change, only an automatic AI assisted observability platform that can handle the most complex public and hybrid environments will work. I am very pleased our customers have chosen to modernize with us. And it's exciting to know that we are now part of their current and future digital transformation initiatives. Regarding our business transition to a more predictable subscription model, in Q4, 98% of revenue was subscription or services. Our transition from a classic license business to a subscription business is virtually complete. And we've done this while increasing gross margin to 83% overall and 88% for subscription. With over 90% of our customers on a release, no more than 30 days old, Our operations and support teams are extremely efficient, giving us more time to drive adoption and success across the Dynatrace base. With the customer conversion and subscription business transitions now behind us, we look forward to driving a more streamlined one platform SaaS business in the years ahead. We will be even more focused. We will drive more value and we will remain resilient and durable. Now to our platform. Simply put, we have never been in a stronger position. As a response to COVID 19 is highlighted, applications need to work perfectly at all times to drive employee productivity, ensure optimal customer interaction, guarantee business and transactional continuity and so on. Work locations may change, workloads may shift, but applications must run flawlessly. Applications are the high ground. It's where the business meets IT. Over the past month, the industry's leading analyst firm, Gartner, simultaneously released their annual APM Magic Quadrant and APM Critical Capabilities Guide. For the 10th competition for vision. In the critical capabilities guide, our platform differentiation compared to competition is even more clear. With Dynatrace leading in 5 of 6 categories. To achieve this separation, requires a radically different approach to the challenges of modern cloud observability. We've made the bold decisions, but reinventing APM was just a piece of the puzzle. In Q4, we announced expanded capabilities for both our infrastructure only module and our digital experience module. Over the past year, we have gone from approximately 15% of our customers buying 3 or more modules from us to over 25%. And that's on a rapidly growing customer base. For us for a few Part of this is that we have made it easier than ever to instrument native mobile applications. And we believe part of this is a renewed appreciation for needing to sure that the full stack of cloud services, a complex layering of virtual services and processes actually deliver the value to the end user that is expected. 1 of our banking customers recently saw a surge in mobile traffic as their customer base went to shelter in place. They quickly added licenses to cover the surge. Another bank told me they did not expect to see their surge in mobile traffic reduce much, if any, post COVID. They said COVID has done more to train their customer base on the power and ease of home banking than any campaign they ever ran. With higher degrees of online mobile use likely to be a major outcome of the new normal. Our early investments and outstanding functionality in digital experience, especially for mobile, should continue to pay off for us. Our infrastructure only module is newer for us. It's now maturing as we expand coverage for AWS, Azure, and Google Cloud Platform Services. Unlike alternatives that only place metrics on dashboards, our unique platform capabilities like AI Assistance And Automation at Scale strengthen this module significantly. So early in the adoption ramp, we are very encouraged by the uptake of infrastructure only now used by 29% of our customer base, and they love the flexibility to toggle up or down on their own between our deep full stack APM mode and the lighter, the broader coverage of infrastructure only mode at a lower cost. I should point out for those who are new to our story, our full stack APM module includes both infrastructure monitoring and AI ops fully unified. And our infrastructure only module includes log monitoring, network monitoring, and AI ops, also fully unified. We package differently than our competition. Rather than fragment our offering into a list of tools, we take a more holistic approach and solve by use case. Going after a larger problem set, to drive greater simplicity, efficiency, and value for our Our business has performed very well in the face of unprecedented macro challenges. So a few of our end markets may face greater near term headwinds. We've been very encouraged by overall business trends during April. We believe Dynatrace is well positioned a continued generating strong growth in an uncertain economic environment due to the fact that we have a differentiated leadership position in a category that is considered near the top of the strategic IT priority list. In addition, we are now one platform subscription business. We made tremendous progress this past year converting our base to the new Dynatrace platform and completing our transition away from our classic license business. This renewed focus streamlines our go to market and builds a more predictable and durable growth business for the long term. With that, let me turn it over to Kevin for a deeper look into our financials and a guide into Q1 and our full year fiscal 2021. Kevin? Crisis. And a huge thank you to all the amazing people who have been working tirelessly to help the world deal with the crisis, especially everyone on the front lines. The pandemic requires change and adaptation, and we are no exception. Our main objective during this time has been we seamlessly moved to working remotely and our employees have adapted nicely. From a customer standpoint, we are pleased that our net retention rate remains robust in this environment. In the fourth quarter, we were modestly impacted on the new bookings side during the second half of March but overall, the fundamentals of our business remain very solid. We had a strong performance in Q4 and have been very pleased with the progress high end of our quarterly A trend we believe we can continue to deliver on for quite some time given the increasing importance of cloud software, and the strength of the Diamond Trace platform and the expanding addressable market we operate in. As a result, despite some headwinds associated with subscription revenue, coupled with meaningful profitability and cash flow. So let me start with a quick review of the fourth quarter fiscal year highlights, and then move to fiscal 2021. Our key financial metric focus on business momentum is annual recurring revenue. As John said, ARR grew 42 percent year over year to $572,800,000, an increase of $169,000,000 compared to the year ago period. This was 44% growth on a constant currency basis, and throughout the year, our ARR faced currency headwinds in the range of 200 to 300 basis points per quarter. The Dynatrice platform continues to increase as a percent of total ARR and was approximately $528,000,000 at the end of March, or 92% of our total ARR. The remaining 8% of our AR relates to our classic offering. We are extremely pleased with the success of our conversion program and now that the classic base is down to a single digit percentage of total AR and shrinking each quarter, we feel there is no longer a need to break out these components moving forward that will no longer be doing so. The 2 drivers of ARR growth are new local customers and our Dynatrace net expansion rate. If we quickly break down these 2 growth drivers, During the quarter, we added 165 customers. Consistent with recent quarters, new customers were a healthy balance of adding new logos to the franchise, as well as classic customers percent of our Dynatrace customer count growth has been the result of new logos to the company. As our conversion program winds down, The volume of new customer adds to the Dynatrace platform is likely to decline on a quarterly basis while obviously the ratio of new logos will increase. In addition to a steady flow expansion rate remained at or above and 23%. In fiscal 'twenty one, we will continue to focus on the Dynatracing that expansion rate, but we will no longer exclude the impact from expansion at the time of conversion as we do not expect it to have a significant impact now that the Dynatrace platform is over 90% of our total business and growing. Our Dynatrace ARR per customer continues to trend up and is over $220,000. We continue to believe that there's a large opportunity for further expansion in our existing customer base. The majority of applications at our customer still lack instrumentation we continue to expand our value proposition and use cases and our enterprise customers continue to expand their portfolio cloud based applications as they digitally transform their businesses. Moving to revenue. Total revenue for the fourth quarter was $150,600,000, $2,600,000 above the high end of our guidance, an increase of 30% on a year over year basis and 31% in constant currency. The acceleration in total revenue growth is being driven by the strong an increase of 37% year over year and 38% in constant currency. For the quarter, Classic license revenue declined to $2,300,000 and represented less than 2% of our quarterly revenue. As John said, our non GAAP gross margin was 83% for the 4th quarter, an increase from 80% in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2019. We continue to see a healthy increase in our subscription gross margin percentage now at 88% as we realize the benefits of winding down the classic product that. These world class margins are a result of a highly reliable platform and autonomous SaaS operation. Using Dynatrace on Dynatrace is a unique advantage for us. Our non GAAP operating income for the 4th quarter was $36,000,000, above the high end of our guidance of $34,500,000, primarily due to the combination of revenue and associated gross margin upside, This led to a non GAAP operating margin of 24%, up from 22% in the fourth quarter of 2019. Non GAAP net income was $29,800,000 or $0.11 per share. This was above our guidance of $0.08 per share. Turning to a quick summary, the financial results for the full year, total revenue was $545,800,000, up 27% year over year, and up 29% in constant currency. Total revenue growth is being driven by the growth in subscription revenue, was $487,800,000, an increase of 39% year over year and 42% in constant currency. Classic license revenue declined by $27,700,000 to $12,700,000 in fiscal 'twenty. Overall, we believe our 2 year model transition Non GAAP operating income for the year was $130,000,000 with non GAAP operating margin of 24%. Up from 18% in fiscal 2019, a very healthy year over year improvement in line with our internal expectations. Turning to the balance sheet. As of March 31, we had $213,000,000 of cash and our long term debt was $510,000,000. After taking into account a $30,000,000 principal payment in January. In the 4th quarter, we repriced our long term debt to LIBOR plus 225 basis points, down 50 basis points. We are not anticipating any additional debt principal payments in the near term, as we want to grow our cash balance to maintain financial flexibility. We think this is prudent given current market conditions. During fiscal 2020, we consistently decreased our leverage ratio, which ended the fiscal year at 2.1 times our trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA of about $140,000,000. IPO leverage ratio of 3.3 times EBITDA. Unlevered free cash flow for Q4 was $63,300,000 and a $149,500,000 or 27.4 percent of revenue for fiscal 2020. We experienced 2 headwinds to this number. There was about one percentage point due to lower classic perpetual bookings and about 2 percentage points due to higher DSO in Q4, resulting for the provisions for flexibility outside of normal parameters. The last financial measure that I would like to discuss as our remaining performance obligation, which at the end of the quarter was approximately $860,000,000. An increase of 56% over Q4 of last year. The current portion of RPO, which we expect to recognize as revenue over the next 12 months, was $495,000,000, RPL expansion has benefited from the move to a subscription business, combined with an increase in the duration of our new subscription agreements over the course of fiscal 2020. Now let me move to guidance. Embedded in our guidance are a few underlying assumptions that I think are noteworthy so you can and our view of the environment and our opportunity as we move forward in fiscal 2021. First, Our assumption is that we are going to be operating in a difficult economic environment for the full fiscal year. We expect the greatest COVID headwinds on bookings and renewals in Q1 to the global economic shutdown with the two points of currency headwinds to continue throughout the year. From a customer standpoint, as John mentioned, our exposure to highly affected verticals such as travel, automotive, and hospitality represent 15% to 20% of our ARR. However, based on the enterprise size of our base and conversations with many of these customers, they view the Dynatrace platform as a mission critical platform and as a result, we expect only a modest negative impact on our renewal rates within this portion of our customer base. As an aside, we have closed new business with customers in some of these verticals so far in the first quarter, which is further support for our expectation perspective, there are also a few key points to highlight. First, we expect to modestly grow headcount in Q1, as we initially moderated the timing of investments as we evaluated the impact of the health crisis on our business We have increased the pace of hiring and plan to reaccelerate our commercial and innovation investments later in the fiscal year, if the and then normalizing out as we go into the back half. Finally, with respect to cash and working capital, we believe it is prudent to expect that some customers may request modified billing terms. Which does not impact revenue, but would serve as a headwind to our unlevered free cash total revenue to be in the range of 148 currency growth of 24 percent to 25 percent. We expect 1st quarter non GAAP operating income to be in the range of $38,000,000 to $40,000,000 25% to 27 percent of revenue and non GAAP EPS of $0.09 or $0.10 per share. For the full year ARR guidance is $680,000,000 to $692,000,000, 19% to 21% growth. We expect total revenue to be in the range of $630,000,000 to representing year over year growth of 15% to 18% and 17% to 20% growth adjusted for currency. Looking at the components of revenue, we assume that classic license revenue declines from about $13,000,000 in fiscal 2020 to under $1,000,000 in fiscal 2021. Based on the current guidance, we expect services revenue to be down on a year over year basis in the 10% range given that we have moved almost all of our customers to the Dynatrace platform where the product is automated, and needs led services, combined with our SI partners doing more services work. As a one time guidance disclosure, we believe subscription revenue will be and 23% to 25% growth on a currency adjusted basis. I would like to also quickly highlight our fiscal 2021 expectations with respect to our Dynatrace net expansion rate. As John highlighted earlier, and we noted in our earnings release today, we have achieved eight quarters at or above 120%. It continues to be a strong part of our business. However, based on the current revenue guidance, we anticipate we would experience a modest decline in our net expansion rates throughout fiscal 2021 resulting in a net expansion rate above 115 percent for the year. We feel great about the fundamentals of the business and feel confident we have a good balance between both fiscal 2021 is expected to be in the range of $146,000,000 to $156,000,000, which is 23% to 24% of revenue, non GAAP EPS of $0.39 to $0.42 per share. From a cash flow perspective, In addition to the AR and working capital headwind I discussed, our effective cash tax rate is expected to go from 8% of non GAAP pretax income, to approximately 10%, resulting in incremental cash tax expenses of about $5,000,000. Despite the AR and cash tax headwinds, we believe we can increase unlevered free cash flow as a percent of revenue from 27% last year, to a range of 29% to 30%, which is $180,000,000 to $190,000,000. Based on the midpoint of this range, unlevered free cash flow would increase 24 percent on a year over year and with a market leading position, we remain confident Dynatrace is well positioned for the long term. Most important for our shareholders is that we continue to show a financial profile that we believe is durable and unique, including meaningful scale, strong growth, healthy profitability, Certainly. Matt Hedberg with RBC Capital Markets Your line is open. John, a lot of good commentary on how you're helping customers navigate this difficult situation really in a world post COVID where CIOs look to embrace cloud even faster than before. Do you think this ultimately accelerates the importance of cloud based monitoring. And and perhaps could it help you even address your TAM faster than before? Matt, appreciate the question. We do. We also believe that not only will will this new normal sort of really highlight and focus for lens on on cloud. It will also focus Lens on applications themselves, as the high ground for, you know, where business meets IT. I think we're in a really strong position, from that standpoint. I also see that the automation and the AI that we've built into our platform from the ground up will also be sort of essential care about for, you know, IT as they move forward because it's really gonna be about how do I take my existing team, my limited resources, and do more with them. How do I move faster? How do I get to more applications? How do I innovate more effectively? And, you know, these characteristics of our platform that our customers are currently enjoying. We hope many customers, additional customers ahead will be enjoying in the future. That's great. And then the other thing that really stood out to me, I think you noted 25 customers are are now buying 3 or more of your products, which is great. I'm wondering, though, can you talk about that trend within new customers? In other words, our new customers now landing the higher cadence of new products than say, than say a year ago? They are, but, you know, I don't have all the the quant, you know, for that, but anecdotally, yes. It's some look to add the infrastructure piece, you know, and extend the infrastructure environment along with their full stack APM. Because of thinking about laying down a broader cloud platform. Others, you know, look to the APM and extend it first with the digital experience piece because they want a complete view of the application stack from the outside in. So they need need it from the edge, you know, on in through all the all the virtual cloud layers to make sure that the performance and capability that they're expecting to deliver is, is actually delivered, you know, to that mobile device or IoT device, etcetera. So those are the 2 primary that will go together depending on the point of view of the customer, but it's pretty quick to add a third and go keep going from there. That's great. Congrats again on the results. Really strong. Thank you, Matt. Sterling Auty with JP Morgan. Your line is open. Hi guys. This is Matt on for Sterling. Thanks for taking the question. My first question was just curious to see Did you guys see customers needs shifting? I mean, I'm guessing more of the activity in terms of the uptake was more focused on the cloud versus on prem. So I just wanted to get some more color on that front. Well, so first, all of our customers are nearly every one of them, you know, is focused on cloud and cloud workloads. Whether they deploy the platform, you know, have us host it or whether they host it behind their firewall, still the same SaaS platform. Exactly the same code. So from that standpoint, we really haven't seen that much of a shift at this point although we do expect to see a little bit more leaning to a, a Dynatrace hosted environment. You know, that that said, you know, what we what we have seen are that the customers you know, are, are, shifting shifted their focus to work from home for probably, you know, 4 weeks actually. They're still doing a little bit more here and there. But, those are things where they focused on making sure that employee productivity was optimized, sort of leaned into some of our hybrid extensions like Citrix, monitoring, some of our 3rd party cloud monitoring capabilities so they could assure Salesforce, Microsoft 36 5, zoom, you know, some of these other third party clouds that they depended on, you know, actually performed as advertised to keep their their workforce productive. What we're seeing now is a leaning back toward, faster to the future. Investments back into, into digital transformation. And we think that will characterize sort of that So the post COVID world here as we enter Q2 and beyond for the year. Great. That's very helpful. And then just one follow-up maybe for Kevin. So long term deferred declined sequentially. Was trying to understand if that was from customers that have, that are doing shorter contracts, or if there was, something else there that we should be aware of? So generally over half of our customers are signing 3 year agreements with us, but please keep in mind that our our payment terms are annual in advance. So that does not necessarily, and that does not impact our long term deferred, which are actually seen is the burn down of the perpetual licenses that we've sold primarily, you know, sort of 2 years ago and a little bit last fiscal year. As you may recall, we we recognize those licenses over 3 years. And as we're burning that down, that's going to have an impact on our long term deferred. And as you can imagine, that also puts some pressure on unlevered free cash flow for this year fiscal 'twenty and it will put a little bit of pressure, continued pressure in 'twenty, fiscal 'twenty one, and then it will alleviate thereafter primarily. So we sold perpetual licenses 2 to 3 years ago as a pretty healthy clip. That has essentially gone to 0 at this point. And it's just a working down of that perpetual license in long term deferred. Got you. That makes sense. Thanks guys for taking the questions. Heather Bellini with Goldman Sachs. And John, really helpful opening remarks. So, thank you so much for them and how detailed they were. A couple of questions. Just you mentioned that new logos are up I was wondering if you could mention maybe how the size of the new lands may be being impacted? Have you noticed anything in terms of the size of those given what's going on and even particular what might be more helpful just in Q1, if there's any difference And then, thank you for the commentary on NER, the 123% you gave, and even the color about next year. But just wondering, was the $123,000,000? And I know this is the first time you've actually given the exact number. Was that picked down at all from what you saw in the prior quarter? And then I just have a follow-up. Sorry. Thank you. Let me start with the new logos. So we actually have seen the new logo land in that $90 to $100,000 range now for quarters on end. So, it's very consistent in that range. So nothing really to note, you know, plus or minus there. If anything, it's ticking up slightly, but I think that's a result of the sales organization being more effective at selling at least a second module, if not 3 modules at once when they actually, you know, land a new customer. But it's not material. But it has not it has not dropped if that was sort of like the, you know, part of part of the question. And I think it's a healthy place to land. Mean, we're not really, you know, I know some folks out there may think we're a big deal company and everything's, you know, a multimillion dollar deal. We're actually a much higher volume transaction company where we really focus on land and expand. Where we land in 100 K and then we expand gradually, with our customers as they expand their footprints as they add more applications and now more than as they add additional modules. So we're we like where we are. We think it's the right place to be at an as an enterprise focused company, focused on the Global 15,000. And, so so I like where we are, and I think we're going to maintain that going throughout the next, several years. Kevin? Yes. Hi, Heather. I'm meeting on the Dynatrace net expansion rate. It was it was a modest decline from from the prior quarter, less than 1%, from prior quarter. So relatively flat Q3 to Q4. To put a little bit more color in terms of where the thing where it's going in the future. Based on what we view as prudent guidance on the top line, and a combination of what we think will be helping new logos mathematically, obviously, that net expansion rate needs to drop down that 120 bar down to 115. With that said, we're optimistic. John talked about a lot of the expansion opportunities in our customer base. That's a low point and, hopefully throughout the course of the year, we will we will maintain a much healthier net expansion rate. I'd say one final thing is, you know, Dynatration and expansion rate had a couple of carve outs in it. If you looked at our total company expansion rate over the last four quarters. It's been higher than the Dynatrace net expansion rate because we are, again, backing out some expansion at time of conversion. So overall, we're we're very pleased with the retention. We're very pleased with our customers expanding their footprint of use cases. And as John was talking about earlier, more modules over time as well. And then one just quick follow-up into the last question that was related to long term deferred. So based on your comments, should we expect, I think it went from 80 to 60 off the top of my head, but should we expect that pace to continue? So, you know, when you look out over 12 few months, that should be a much smaller number than where we just ended? That's right. You want to think maybe 6 to 8 quarters in that and that'll be wrapped up. Most of it's in Heather in the next six quarters in terms of the long term deferred wind down. I'm just wrapping up any order. So we'll we will always have some level of long term work, but that's the time frame. Bhavan Suri with William Blair And Company. Your line is open. Doing well. Congrats on the quarter. So a couple of quick questions from me. One, just on the top of the funnel, I know you've talked about the exposure some of the affected industries, and some of your expectations around sales, hiring ramp. But I'd love to understand what you've seen at the top of the funnel, in this environment, it feels like digital experience piece should be really picking up. It feels like infrastructure multi cloud is interesting, but that piece to me seems really interesting as well. Some of the AI related pieces You've said April is off to a good start, but just have to understand what you're seeing at the top of the funnel, in terms of what's driving some of those deals coming in today and, and sort of how do you think that plays out, going forward, say, for the next 2, 3 quarters, which is COVID time frame and then post COVID, do you think logically there might be an acceleration in the love trying to understand how you think about that coming out of COVID too. Yes, Bhavan. Thank you. Thanks for the question. What we're we're not seeing a huge shift in sort of the character characteristics. We did see that 4 weeks, 4 week kind of shift to work from home and people leaning into different aspects of our product line for employee productivity, but the bulk of our business is really focused on run the business applications that run-in modern cloud environments, more and more that multi cloud environment that I articulated, combination multiple public clouds with hybrid back ends. And and that environment continues to be more prevalent and, accelerating. People are really getting sort of the hang of how to how to manage these large complex Kubernetes orchestrated environments. They understand how difficult and challenging they are. We have a very unique highly automatic solution, with built in AI to help them manage these environments and extend them more quickly than ever. Without the blind spots associated with sort of the do it yourself or or bag a tools kind of approach. That's sort of the the, the the alternative that we see most often out there. So, coming out of this, sort of, COVID nineteen sort of situation and into a new normal, I really do believe that, that our automation and AI will sort of primary drivers for differentiation rather than sort of interesting, nice to have kinds of, characteristics the way they might be in certain sales cycles that we've had in the past. So I like our differentiation. I like where we sit. And I think we're very well positioned, you know, for for a new normal and a faster to cloud and we have limited resources. Got you. Got you. Okay. And then one quick one, sort of on the the competitive environment, and really around pricing. So you obviously talked about the lag at $100 But you are a premium offering, when you think about it compared to say, New Relic or Datadog, and others. And I guess the premium offering was sort of the price point it's not a viral sale, it's not user credit card, etcetera, well above that sale of New Relic. Did that present any challenge at all in that first 4 weeks? Or are you seeing any pressure from or changes in the pricing environment, the competitive environment? I'd love to understand if there was any impact there at all. Yeah. Well, 1st of all, you need to understand that our sales organization for the most part works remotely anyway. They don't sit in offices. They work from home. They're all very familiar with Zoom, and our platform is a SaaS platform. So that anything you can do sort of, you know, on-site, you can do remotely. So whether it's demonstrations, proof concepts, helping customers sort of manage environments, making sure that they adopt the latest techniques, all done remotely. So there's no miss of a beat, you know, in a in a shift from sort of from office to to work from home. So that's I think the first, you know, key thing. The second thing is, as I mentioned, we package our product different differently, Brevan. It's much more around use cases or a series of use cases. Rather than, you know, little slices of tools. And we believe that that's a more effective, more efficient higher value way to support customers, you know, at the enterprise level. So we include multiple things. When we talk about a APM, you know, platform, we're including infrastructure monitoring. We're including AI ops. Other companies, you know, have to sell 3 or 4 products to do what we do in 1. Same thing with infrastructure only. It includes log monitoring, it includes network monitoring, because that's what you need to solve the full infrastructure challenge. You don't sell buy 3 products. So I think that as our customers become familiar with, how that works. They really appreciate the fact that it's a unified offering where all the gluing of all the pieces together already is done for rather than you have to throw bodies at that and then maintain it over time. So our customers who who get to know us and why we and as well as we do on our base, you know, understand that we're sort of the value leader, you know, even if they pay a little bit more for the combination of unified software we provide. Got it. It's helpful. Thank you guys. We'd like to remind everyone please ask one question to allow everyone an opportunity. Hi. Thank you very much. Congrats on the quarter. I'm, looking at your forward looking trends, your month of April is actually stronger. Than, than the the month year earlier. That expansion rate continues to be very solid. Looks like the front end of the pipeline is also pretty solid for demand generation standpoint in the sales execution also has been enabled through zoom and virtual selling. Yet what I struggled to reconcile all that with all the field work that we've done and also by the way, your RPO, up very strong. And one word reconcile that with your guidance, there's extreme, extremely extreme conservative. Although it is prudent to have conservative. It it is just very extreme. Just wondering if you have, probably assumed even direct because if I just take the net net expansion rate and the fact that 80, 85 percent of your business is within healthy verticals, it doesn't quite add up to what you're guiding to. So I'm just trying to understand how critically conservative you've been with your guidance. Thank you so much. Yes, there are certainly a lot of positives that we've seen throughout the course of fiscal 2020 and leading indicators into the first quarter of 2021. And I've highlighted as well. You know, some of the things that when we think about 21 that are important, Heidi, we have 80% coverage on our on our guide number from subscription standpoint and backlog slash RPO. So, look, with that in mind, if John and I spent some time thinking about the business, And overall, our approach is we want to be very prudent. We want to set the bar that we feel extremely comfortable with. And hopefully, we have a good sort of beat and raise strategy throughout the course of the year as our program evolves. We're very optimistic about the opportunity sales organizations is in action. They're doing well. Our renewal rates are very healthy. But given a little bit of the uncertainty, we just thought it'd be very prudent to set a really solid foundation. Gosh. Thank you. Thank you so much, Kevin and John. Raimo Lenschow with Barclays. Monitoring, like you mentioned you were kind of more comprehensive there and you can do a lot more stuff. But if you look at the adoption at the moment, a lot of people just kind of ask to go to the cloud, just need like an early quick solution there. So how do you see that playing out? Like people are understanding that you can deliver a lot more, so you will be kind of the secondary guy at the it as kind of people realize they actually need more? Or do you see that already like in the 1st phase kind of playing out just to understand like how that momentum is playing out there? Thank you. Sure. Now a good question. What we see both dynamics, we see, the dynamic when we come in, when workloads started hitting the cloud in volume. And, the customer understands that all they have is an infrastructure view. They don't have the app location view, and the application teams need more visibility across sort of what's happening with these workloads in a dynamically orchestrated environment and realize that nothing really provides that. Even if you're able to pull some traces off you don't have them a distributed tracing capability that really gives you value in that application, that application layer. Which is why we talk about entering many of our opportunities through sort of an APM lens and landing and then expanding from there. We do see customers at the time span their cloud investments to actually understand that they need more than just infrastructure only monitoring and they go out and they look for the full stack observability platforms. And then that, then we enter earlier, even before the volume of workloads, have been, you know, placed on their cloud environment. So we do have a combination of both, but I'd say it leans right now more heavily to the I'm expanding the workloads on the cloud. I have lots of blind spots. I need to fix this. I can't do this with a bunch of tools. I need something more comprehensive. That's that's our primary. But the other one is starting to grow more and more often coming up off of sort of the good hygiene approach. As customers get more familiar with the right models to expand clouds effectively. Okay. Makes sense. Hopefully that makes sense to you. Yeah. Makes sense. Stay safe. Thank you. Thanks, guys. Congrats on the results. Hey, John, just in terms of the expansion, opportunity. Can you just remind us where the average customer is in terms of percent of apps or stack that's being monitored and then maybe where some of your best customers are? Sure. Well, so many companies are still in that 5% to 10% of their application range. The cloud is driving the need to adopt much higher than some of the old Gartner. You know, SaaS said, a 25% to 30%, we're seeing customers in the 50%, 60% range or they run the business applications. And associated workloads around it. We have customers in that 30 to 40% range, you want to continue to go up. But that's the minority the vast majority are really in that 5% to 10% range. There's a lot of room just in the upsell. Let alone the cross sell, which, as I said, we're getting much stronger in. I mean, you take a look at our our landing zone, which is in that 90 to $200,000 range. And then you look at our average ARR per customer, which is now a little over 2 20 $1000. There's a lot of room to continue growing that average ARR per customer. Toward a $1,000,000 ARR per customer, which we believe any global 15,000 company any $1,000,000,000 company would be willing to invest to assure that their applications that run the business applications run flawlessly all the time. Okay, perfect. That's helpful. Thanks guys. 1 more in the morning, John. Okay. One more question, I think. Our final question comes from the line of Walter Pritchard with Citi. Your line is open. Hi, thanks. Just a clarification on the hiring It sounds like you did slow it. You've resumed it. Can you talk about sales hiring and how we should think about sales capacity build in fiscal 2021 and how that any slowing and hiring is impacting the growth rate you're for in 2021 and then sort of what you're looking for specifically in sales in order to reaccelerate the hiring? Thanks. Yes. So we haven't stopped the hiring of sales folks. We did slow it down a little bit, but the foot was still on the gas. And we've been reaccelerating it as we're building more and more confidence in this year and the sort of the the current, you know, uncertainty becomes a little bit less uncertain. So, you should expect us to bring our investments back to where they were a year ago, which were healthy investments in sales expansion. Also R and D and innovation expansion and and customer success expansion. Those are the 3 key vectors for us. And we're leaning into all of those currently. All right. Thank you very much, everyone. Appreciate the time this morning. As I hope you can tell, we're bullish on the business. Good Q4. Good start to Q1. We're going to continue to run a balanced business, which I know, which, which Kevin and I stay focused on of growth profit, and scale. And, we're excited about the future. We, we look forward to this year and catching up again in, in 90 days and talking about, how we did in our fiscal Q1. This concludes the Dyna Trace fiscal 4th quarter 2020 earnings conference call. We thank you for participation. You may now disconnect.