Good day, and welcome to the EFSC earnings conference call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Jim Lally, President and CEO. Please go ahead, sir.
Well, thank you, Todd, and good morning, everyone. I welcome you to our 2021 third quarter earnings call. Joining me this morning is Keene Turner, our company's Chief Financial Officer and Chief Operating Officer, and Scott Goodman, President of Enterprise Bank & Trust. We sincerely appreciate you taking time to listen in. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone on the call that a copy of the release and accompanying presentation can be found on our website, and were furnished on SEC Form 8-K yesterday. Please refer to slide two of the presentation titled Forward Looking Statements and our most recent 10-K and 10-Q for reasons why actual results may vary from any forward-looking statements that we may make this morning. Please turn to slide 3 for the financial highlights of the third quarter.
Keene and Scott will provide much more details in their comments, but I wanted to call your attention to a few items at a very high level. The third quarter was another outstanding quarter for EFSC. Reported net income for the quarter and earnings per share were $13.9 million and $0.38 respectively, or $1.27 per share on an adjusted basis, building on the very strong performance that we posted during the second quarter of $1.23. These results compare very, very favorably with our performance of the third quarter 2020, where we earned $0.68 per share. Included in our results this quarter was a $3.8 million impairment charge for the closure of 5 branch locations. 3 of these locations are in California and were part of our acquisition plan for First Choice.
The other two branches are in St. Louis and where we had other locations in close proximity. We continuously evaluate our operating structure and industry trends and make adjustments when necessary. The branch closures will be completed at the start of 2022, and we anticipate annual cost savings of approximately $2 million. I'm extremely pleased with the strength, consistency and diversification that these earnings represent. Digging a little deeper, you will see that we earned pre-provision net revenue of $56.1 million. This was a record for our company and produced PPNR return on average assets of 1.81% and adjusted ROTCE of 18.15%, consistent to what we produced in the linked quarter and during the third quarter of 2020. The third quarter saw continued growth in both loans and deposits.
Although our organic loan growth did not match our second quarter performance, it did display the value of the intentionality that we have had in building a multifaceted loan portfolio. Loan production from our C&I teams, our SBA business, and a few other specialty verticals combated some headwinds that we saw in our CRE investor portfolio. The First Choice portfolio also positively contributed to the loan growth in the quarter, growing loans over $70 million from the date of the acquisition. With results from the Southern California region and our SBA specialty, we remain optimistic that these areas will continue to enhance our loan generation capabilities. Our focus on quality was exhibited through our stable yield on our loan portfolio and a very solid credit statistics.
All deposits grew to $10.8 billion, and with the addition of the commercially oriented deposit base that FCB brought us and the continued outstanding performance of our special deposit team, our DDA percentage to total deposits rose to 40%. This is a level that our company had never achieved. The strength of these operating fundamentals supported an increase of our fourth quarter dividend by 5% to $0.20, and the repurchase of approximately 470,000 shares of stock at an average price of $45.15 per share during the quarter. On last quarter's call, I commented that we had just closed on the FCB acquisition, so our third quarter results only include a partial quarter contribution from this acquisition.
The Southern California market is now our second largest market, and our progress there continues with our systems integration occurring this past week and our cultural integration ongoing. I'm happy to report that both have gone extremely well. With every visit to this market and time spent with our new partners, I am more confident now about what we can do in this very attractive market amid ongoing economic expansion and ongoing market disruptions. Looking forward, our focus remains on flawless execution. Organic loan growth and pipeline expansion remains a priority. We have great markets and businesses on which to build. We will leverage our position as a top 10 SBA 7(a) lender to continue to recruit and grow this business. We will continue to recruit in our higher growth markets and specialty businesses to continue the growth that you have seen over the last several quarters.
With our recent award of $60 million in New Markets Tax Credits, we will continue to grow our very attractive tax credit business. Amid all of this, we will find ways to use the changing environment of how we work to our advantage to combat the workforce challenges that all businesses are facing. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Scott Goodman for much more details about our markets and our businesses. Scott?
Thank you, Jim, and good morning, everybody. I'll start with loan growth. Loan growth for the quarter-over-quarter of $1.9 billion, as shown on slide 5, includes the addition of the FCB loan portfolio.
Net of the FCB impact and excluding PPP, we posted Q3 organic loan growth of $111 million or 6% on an annualized basis. Slides 6 and 7 break out the quarterly and the year-to-date changes by category and also provide some visibility on what's attributable to organic loan activity in existing markets versus the addition of the First Choice balances. Overall, the specialized businesses are tracking very well with steady production and solid growth. Within the geographic markets, there are some early signs that general C&I loan demand is starting to return. Net growth is still muted somewhat by continuing economic pressures and elevated payoffs on investor CRE. Within our specialized banking division, we posted strong loan growth in SBA and tax credit business lines with steady albeit seasonally slower performance in life insurance premium and sponsor finance.
SBA continues to perform well, taking advantage of attractive SBA program enhancements to position our product competitively in the marketplace. We are beginning to see some elevated payoff activity this quarter with conventional lenders generally stretching for growth. However, we have been able to overcome this so far through steady production. Once again, for the first nine months, Enterprise Bank & Trust has placed in the top 10 SBA originators nationally in 2021. We're also actively expanding this business both through the addition of new talent and geographic markets. The tax credit loan portfolio continued its strong performance as well, growing by a record $39 million in the quarter. As I've mentioned in prior reports, affordable housing programs have gained traction nationally in recent years, with many states now initiating new programs or expanding their existing ones.
Our team is well aligned with partners that are recognized as experts in this specialty, working with the states to establish the frameworks as well as to attract seasoned and qualified investors, developers, and management companies. This pipeline remains robust and the growth outlook near term remains sound. Within our commercial geographies, which are outlined on slide eight, loan growth is somewhat mixed. St. Louis rebounded nicely in Q3, posting an increase of $36 million or roughly 6.8% annualized growth. The deeper C&I book in the St. Louis market benefited from the higher line usage on revolving lines and several large originations with new real estate and agricultural clients. The Arizona team continued its strong growth in 2021, posting another solid quarter.
Over the past year, we have seen traction from the new talent that was added in this market, growing by $127 million or nearly 32%. As the fifth most populous city, Phoenix is routinely recognized as a high performer for job growth, GDP performance, and personal income. Now having been in this market for 15 years and continuing to add experienced talent, we're very well positioned to take advantage of the economic momentum in this region. With reliance on CRE, larger reliance, both Kansas City and New Mexico posted modest declines in the quarter, mainly due to the aforementioned headwinds on payoffs. However, production activity and near-term pipelines, particularly in Kansas City, would point to a good volume of new opportunities that should be able to get us back on a growth trajectory here.
As Jim mentioned, California now becomes our second largest market post FCB and a tremendous platform for additional growth. As we assess our opportunity, it's clear that many of the positive economic factors that we've seen in Phoenix are also present in Southern California. The competitive profiles vary somewhat in each of the metro markets here, but in general, they're heavily concentrated amongst the national banks, which we tend to compete effectively against for that private business segment. The FCB team continues to produce new opportunities even through the disruption of integration, adding loan growth of $72 million since the closing in July. I'm optimistic that these attributes will enable us to successfully execute our model over time in this region. Deposit balances rose $2.2 billion in the quarter, with the addition of FCB accounting for $1.9 billion of the increase.
Organic core deposits also grew by $346 million, most of which were DDA and transactional account types. New accounts continue to outpace closed accounts and at an average lower rate. Specialty deposit segments, which are outlined on slide nine, contributed roughly $270 million of this growth, excluding First Choice, mainly across three primary verticals of community associations, commercial property management, and third-party escrow. Since the onboarding of these business lines via the Seacoast merger last year, we have been able to expand existing relationships as well as add new clients, in part due to enhanced system integration capabilities developed by our team. Deposit focus continues to be on new relationships and on lower cost, sticky, and well-diversified sources of funding. Turning briefly to credit, we continue to experience stable performance in the legacy Enterprise loan portfolio year to date.
Now, combined with the addition of the strong performing $1.9 billion FCB portfolio, the result is overall improved credit metrics in Q3. On a consolidated basis, total classified increased a modest $4 million to $104 million, but declined to 7% of capital from 9% of capital in the prior quarter. Total non-performing loans declined in the quarter to $41.5 million, and as a percentage of total loans fell from 58 to 46 basis points. Gross charge-offs of $4.5 million in the quarter were largely related to a $2.5 million charge on a previously discussed and reserved for C&I loan. Also during the quarter, we were pleased to fully exit a defaulted hotel loan, which was previously written down and resulted in a recovery of nearly $1.5 million.
Overall, net charge-offs of $1.85 million for the quarter, or 8 basis points annualized, remain well managed. With that, now I'd like to hand things over to Keene Turner for a detailed financial commentary. Keene?
Thanks, Scott, and good morning. This is obviously a busy quarter for us with closing First Choice acquisition and a start to the fourth quarter with the systems integration. I'm gonna start my comments on slide 10, and it shows our earnings per share compared to the second quarter, and I'll run through the significant items. We reported net income of $14 million, and that includes the impact of merger expenses of around 31 cents per share. CECL double count of 51 cents per share, which is on the acquired First Choice loan portfolio, and a charge on branch closures of 7 cents per share that Jim mentioned. We earned 38 cents per diluted share compared to $1.23 in the second quarter.
We believe that the second and the third quarter EPS performance is relatively comparable, and that would've been around $1.27 in both quarters. Most importantly, we're seeing that PPP contribution continue or begin to decline, and more importantly, we're replacing those earnings through growth and the benefits of M&A. This level of EPS reflects a modest provision reversal on the legacy portfolio of $0.08, as well as the still continued strong contribution from PPP forgiveness of around $0.13. Nonetheless, our core fundamentals remain strong with an increase in overall operating revenue during the quarter, both excluding and certainly including the First Choice acquisition. Turning to slide 11, net interest income was $97.3 million compared to $81.7 million in the second quarter, which is a $15.6 million increase.
This includes $16.7 million from First Choice and partially offset by $2 million dollar decrease in PPP income. Average earning assets increased $1.9 billion, mostly from First Choice as well as organic growth. Deposit generation has continued to be successful, particularly on our specialty areas, as Scott noted. The seasonal deposit generation, in addition to general business conditions, has resulted in continued cash build on the balance sheet and it's compressed margin modestly, which was around 10 basis points this quarter. We believe these deposits are a valuable long-term funding source, and slide 12 further reflects these trends. We have steadily deployed excess liquidity into the investment portfolio over the last few quarters, totaling around $240 million invested.
We plan to continue investing approximately $30 million per month in the near term as we focus on growing net interest income dollars. However, we're balancing the desire to deploy our excess liquidity while not stretching for yield that will be detrimental when rates begin to rise, both for purposes of tangible common equity and our asset-sensitive balance sheet. As expected, First Choice has accreted to margin, adding 11 basis points sequentially. This was offset by the liquidity build and a lower yield principally due to support from income from PPP loans. The mix of deposits continue to improve with non-interest-bearing now totaling over 40%. This helped drive cost of deposits down to 11 basis points for the third quarter.
We still have an asset sensitive balance sheet, and we're well-positioned to take advantage of higher interest rates in the future with approximately 63% of the loan portfolio invested in variable rate loans. On slide 12 and 13, we depict asset quality position at September 30, which as Scott noted, improved during the quarter and continues to show an overall low level of non-performing loans and assets. The continued improvement in the macroeconomic forecast and stable credit performance resulted in a provision benefit of approximately $5 million in the third quarter. This was mitigated by the CECL Day 2 double count on First Choice acquired loans of $24 million and another $1 million for unfunded loan commitments.
As of September thirtieth, the allowance for credit losses totaled $152 million or 1.67% of total loans, compared to 1.77% at the end of June. Contemplating the SBA guarantees, that's 1.94% at the end of the third quarter. A $31 million allowance for credit losses on the acquired First Choice loan portfolio represented approximately 1.6% of total loans, $7 million of which was recorded through purchase accounting on the PCD portfolio, which is purchase credit deteriorated. The provision benefit on the legacy Enterprise portfolio, combined with the allowance on the First Choice portfolio, resulted in the overall decrease in the allowance coverage. On slide 14, fee-based income grew $1.4 million. I'm sorry.
On slide 15, fee-based income grew $1.4 million from Q2 levels as we reported $17.3 million in the third quarter compared to $16.2 million in the second quarter. Led primarily by a partial quarter post-close of First Choice fee income. Tax credit services momentum from the second quarter continued into the third and helped to mitigate a decline in other miscellaneous income. I'll mention that we're excited to see the SBA has ranked us again as one of the top 10 SBA 7(a) lenders in the nation through the for the fiscal year 2021. With the addition of First Choice and their SBA lending expertise, we expect solid SBA generation to continue.
With SBA loan premiums at attractive levels, it affords us the flexibility in the future to potentially use loan sales to further supplement our fee income. Turning to slide 16. Excluding $14.7 million of merger costs and $3.4 million of branch impairment charges, operating expenses were higher in Q3 at $58.8 million, compared to $50.5 million in the second quarter. Most of the increase was a result of the partial quarter of post-close First Choice operating expenses, which were $7 million in the third quarter, with the remainder of the increase primarily driven by an increase in compensation and benefits related to opportunistic hiring of targeted teams and continued investment in current associates.
Other non-interest expense totaled $20.6 million in the third quarter, an increase of $1.7 million from the second quarter, and this increase was due partially to higher data processing and FDIC assessments related to the acquisition. Year-to-date, other non-interest expenses totaled $55.8 million. The third quarter's resulting efficiency was 51.3%, a roughly 60 basis point improvement from the second quarter. For the fourth quarter, we expect to incur approximately $3 million of merger-related costs as we complete the First Choice integration and the remainder of core systems conversion. Slide seventeen, our capital metrics are demonstrated. We start with an 18% return on tangible common equity that aided a sequential tangible book value per share increase of around 2%.
This significant return of capital of $21 million in the third quarter was through share buybacks, and then we also announced a dividend increase for the fourth quarter. Of note, we previously announced too that the pro forma tangible book value dilution of the First Choice acquisition was expected to be 2.7%. Based on the financial performance between announcement and legal close and the final fair value adjustments to the closing balance sheet, the actual tangible book value dilution is only 1.8%, and that is expected to reduce our earn back under two years to 1.7 years. From a capital perspective, we expect to continue to opportunistically manage our capital position and based on our financial performance and low risk profile.
We have started the redemption of our $50 million subordinated debentures that was originally issued in 2016 and is callable on November 1. We'll also continue executing, excuse me, on share repurchases to deploy excess capital and manage to 8%-9% tangible common equity ratio. We had a strong quarter across all fronts, and we're seeing the benefits of our recent acquisitions in driving growth and earnings momentum. We expect that this will remain our near-term focus and that these efforts will help to differentiate us competitively for our shareholders. We appreciate you joining our call today, and we're now going to open the line for analyst questions.
We'll take our first question from Jeff Rulis of D.A. Davidson.
Thanks. Good morning.
Morning, Jeff.
First question would be on just trying to get recentered on the expense base. I guess if you've got, you know, $58 million core in the fourth quarter, we're going to have First Choice for the full quarter, but you've got the conversion occurring. Just kind of near-term, kind of how does that settle in and then, you know, capture of cost savings from there, kind of high-level, just kind of reorienting on timing there.
Jeff, this is Keene. I think what we said last quarter was first quarter of 2022 clean at, you know, right around $62.5 million, give or take, and that essentially reflects fully phased in cost savings. I think that based on where we're running, as the expenses are coming in with First Choice, we're getting blend in of cost savings as we go here. I don't think there'll actually be a spike on recurring expenses between, you know, Q4 and Q1. I think that we're gonna, you know, essentially be, you know, a modest increase and, you know, somewhere, you know, $62.5 million for the fourth quarter, maybe even a little bit better, you know, with the core conversion here happening, you know, the first two weeks of October.
I think we're on track there. I know that's probably not, you know, as much, you know, you wanted a number, but you know, call it low 60s is probably a good number, you know, from a run rate perspective.
Oh, okay. If I follow that right, you effectively said that earlier you thought 62.5 would be the number for the first quarter of 2022 as you kind of get savings a little earlier. That may be the run rate starting in Q4. Is that
Yeah.
Actually.
Yeah. That's essentially what I said. Better said.
Okay. That's all. Then kind of the jump off point from there is I know you're making more investments, you know, with the legacy what is combined now. Just kinda looking at 2022 and the expense growth rate, any kind of catch that versus, and do you think you have additional branch consolidations? I know that that's sort of ongoing. That's always a key tenet to be mindful of expenses. Maybe just to narrow that down, I mean, the overall expense growth rate in 2022, kind of the puts and takes, even if it's not a specific number, would be helpful.
Sure. So I think that, you know, the branch rationalization here, the closing in the two locations in St. Louis, you know, it's gonna give us some headroom for, you know, mitigating things like, some of the compensation and other pressures that we're seeing. I'll say that I think if you look at, you know, just the trends in 2021, I think, you know, we've, you know, done about 6%-7% in, you know, salaries and wage increases throughout the year to help kinda mitigate maybe some of that headwind. But there is still a little bit to go.
The way I tend to think of that and the timing of it is, you know, first quarter expenses, let's say if they are at 62.5%, you know, those are usually pretty full with employer taxes and some of those items. I would generally hope that second quarter and third quarter, you know, you could kinda keep those relatively modest or then maybe have some slight growth in 3Q and 4Q. To me, that would be a fairly successful run rate, what I would say with, you know, all the external factors, you know, specifically, you know, some tighter labor markets and then also just, you know, underlying organization, you know, materially increasing in size and scale and, you know, adding to teams and things like that.
Appreciate it. Really helpful. My other question is just on the loan growth. Similarly, you talked about some of the trends in the quarter, maybe you know, payoffs impacting net growth. A bigger picture kinda looking at 2022 and maybe a question for Scott is just the you know, do you think that SBA platform is kind of fully operational? I know that it's a source of growth and you wanna continue to grow that. You know, do you have going into 2022 the platforms in place that you know, high single-digit loan growth is doable for the year? And any commentary on expectations on loan growth would be helpful.
Maybe I'll hit SBA, and then Scott can maybe, you know, fill in on maybe some of the other pieces. I think that in, you know, 2021 was essentially the highest level of production, you know, for, you know, Seacoast inclusive of First Choice, you know, ever. I think, you know, to have two integrations and have that occur, you know, is a testament to both teams or all three teams. I think that our goal, you know, given the conditions, would be to repeat that performance in 2022. To me, the only caveat from a net perspective is we are starting to see a little bit of an uptick in prepayments in that space. 2020 and 2021 were aided by, you know, historically low prepayments.
I think you can see that in the sequential trend in the third quarter here from a net perspective. Then also the other caveat would be, you know, whether or not we feel like it's valuable to sell some of that production and bring gains, you know, near term into some of the weaker fee income quarters, call it second quarter, you know, versus the longer-term strategy of keeping those loans on the balance sheet. You know, from an SBA loan perspective, I think that's what we're fighting against.
I think similar level of gross production, and then, you know, net is probably gonna be a little bit more muted next year just with, you know, what I would think is a similar level of prepayments here in the third quarter. You know, a quarter isn't a trend, so when we come back for the fourth quarter, we may have a little bit more specific color on what that actual level is. I think, you know, third quarter here was something like 4%-5% prepayments, which is, you know, a little bit of an uptick from essentially nothing in the first, you know, the last prior four quarters before that. Then, Scott, I'll turn it to you for some color on the rest of the portfolio.
Yeah, sure. I guess what I would add on SBA, though, is, you know, there's opportunity to take that national model and continue to expand it. I think the Southeast in particular is attractive. There are markets there and talent that can be recruited. Then also, you know, a point on SBA, much of our competitive advantage there is on the operational backroom side, the ability to turn things around quickly. I think there's opportunity to bring more SBA into our existing geographic markets as well. On the overall, you know, maybe to hit the pipeline a little bit, generally it's solid. I think, one, the specialties have been less impacted by some of the external headwinds. You know.
Q4 tends to be a typical, you know, upswing for some of those businesses like sponsor finance and life insurance premium. I'm optimistic on continued performance there. Then on the community banks, you know, we can talk about some of the headwinds more if you want. I think they're pretty well documented in the industry. You know, we're adding commitments. They're just leading to less outstandings in the short term, you know, particularly on lines and construction loans. Just the process is slower from start to end on the sales funnel. I will say, I think we see more construction projects coming back online that had been on hold. I would expect maybe that activity to pick up.
I think we're focusing on where we can really add value to investors who are repositioning commercial real estate properties. We tend to be a strong performer there because we can close quickly. C&I, you know, we're starting to see an elevated need for some working capital as companies work through their liquidity and maybe look for potential, you know, CapEx on equipment and automation to help offset some of the labor issues that they're experiencing. I mean, I'm optimistic, and hopefully that gives you a little bit better idea what the pipeline looks like.
Yep. Yeah, yep. Appreciate the color. Thank you.
Thank you. Once again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one. We'll take our next question from Andrew Liesch with Piper Sandler.
Hi, good morning, everyone.
Andrew.
I think you mentioned some opportunistic hiring of targeted teams. Any more detail you can provide regarding that that took place in the third quarter, like location or, like specialty or what type of lending they typically engage in?
We'll pass that one to Scott. I did mention that, but we'll let him talk about the team hires.
Sure. Hi, Andrew. Well, I would go back to recall last quarter I mentioned we just picked up a team in Las Vegas, a three-person commercial team. We continue to be focused on adding talent, I think particularly to the more robustly growing economic markets. I mentioned SBA continuing to add talent there. We've recruited in Phoenix. I mentioned you know how the new talent we have there is helping us you know lift the loan growth there. We also did hire recently a small practice finance team just a couple people. You know I would expect that I'll be talking about some of what they've added as we go through to future quarters.
I think it's just a good example of our understanding of how to provide a great environment for specialty teams that allows them to execute within their segment. This is a team that's had deep experience going back 15, 20 years in this vertical. You know, that's an opportunistic hire, but one that we've been working on for several years. You know, I think you know, we're actively looking to recruit in other markets as well, particularly ones, as Jim mentioned, that are disrupted, potentially with management changes or acquisitions.
Got it. Other than that, very helpful. Jim, just looking at capital here, even with the deal being tangibles, the larger asset base, I mean, capital ratios are building. Just given your outlook, something like that will continue to do so. Even though you've increased the dividend now another penny for the last three quarters, I mean, just the outlook looks like the payout ratio is still going to be well below where it was, even a couple years ago. How should we look at the dividend versus buybacks? What's the capital deployment strategy here? Just seeing that it looks like it's gonna rise pretty rapidly.
Yeah, I think all the options are on the table. You know, obviously we'd prefer to keep moving into growth. Then as it makes sense, we'll look at buybacks as well. Then to the extent that it makes sense to continue the uptick in the dividend, we'll do that as well. I think we've shown over the last several years, we've optimized the use of capital in all the right ways to really improve the company, and we'll keep that front and center going forward.
Got it. All right.
Thanks.
Thanks for taking the question.
Step back. Yeah, go ahead.
You bet.
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Damon DelMonte with KBW.
Hey, good morning, guys. Hope everybody's doing well today.
Thanks, Damon.
My first question probably directed to Keen on the margin, the core margin and the outlook and some of the puts and takes there. Can you kind of just, you know, give us a little guidance, you know, with the First Choice deal in place now and what you're thinking going forward?
Yeah. Damon, I think every quarter I give margin commentary, it's assuming liquidity stays about the same level, and we've continued to see it build. I think, you know, for the fourth quarter ROA, ex PPP, margin fundamentals are very stable. We're seeing, you know, new loan production generally where the existing loan yield is. I actually expect that this quarter was maybe a little bit lower in contribution from some of the higher yielding segments. I do expect that the addition of the First Choice team and having those originations come on, you know, not being marked in purchase accounting should also provide a slightly greater aid to maintaining that new loan yield. You know, really on the funding side
You know, there's a basis point or two here and there, but there aren't any big levers. You know, even with the sub-debt redemption from an overall margin perspective, you know, that's not gonna be, you know, necessarily highly material. We just continue to fight it on the investment portfolio side. The investment portfolio activities that we're undertaking are obviously slightly detrimental to investment portfolio yield 'cause the rates that are coming off and the absolute, you know, increase in investment is driving down that yield. It is also helping to maintain margin because, you know, theoretically, we're coming out of cash and it's, you know, adding, you know, some basis points to overall earning assets.
With all of that said, I expect it to be reasonably stable and really at the end of the day, some of it is gonna be loan growth and composition that really drive it. We've generally held up well from a margin perspective, and I expect that to continue. There were a couple bumps and aids in early 2021 and just some legacy purchase accounting accretion that is out of the run rate here in the third quarter. You know, I don't expect that that'll be something that we you know talk about materially moving forward. All of those things I think bode well for stable you know margin outlook, all else being equal.
Got it. That's helpful. Thank you. And then just with regards to, you know, where the reserve is today and your outlook for provision going forward, you know, if you back out the Day 2 CECL, you had a negative provision this quarter. Is it reasonable to think we could see something again like that next quarter?
Yeah. To me, where we sit in the environment we're operating in as time passes, it generally looks less and less like, you know, there's gonna be the loss content that was provided for initially. I think some of that's just a function of the magnitude of growth. Last quarter, the reversal was much more modest with, you know, more robust growth. This quarter, growth was a little bit more muted and didn't absorb as much of that. It is likely that, you know, provision in either direction will be, I think, fairly muted, but it certainly does seem like, you know, modest releases, at least there's pressure on modest releases except, you know, significant or outperformance on loan growth for the, you know, call it next couple quarters.
Got it. Okay. Great. Thank you very much. Appreciate the commentary.
You're welcome. Thank you.
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Brian Martin with Janney Montgomery.
Hey, good morning.
Hey, Brian.
Hey, just maybe starting Keene or somebody, I guess, just on the fee income side, if you can just give a little bit of thought on just how we should, absent, you know, I know the seasonality in fourth quarter with the tax credits in Jim's earlier comments. Can you just give a little color on how you're thinking about. You know, I appreciate the breakdown. You gave a little bit more breakdown on the other sections of fee income, but how we should think about that maybe over the next couple quarters here.
Yeah. Brian, I generally think that when you look at the fee income trend, I expect that tax credit's gonna be up, call it somewhere between 10%-20% sequentially from third to fourth quarter. If you look at the third quarter results here, the other fees were, you know, it was one of the lower quarters. You know, I would expect with some of the items that we tend to have falling in our favor, you know, either private equity distributions or CDE income, that it's likely that fourth quarter is gonna have, you know, some level of that, you know, penny or something like that, maybe two. When I look at 2022, you know, obviously we've got, we lose some interchange in the second half of the year.
I generally think that, you know, from where we are, you know, we can still grow fee income, call it mid-single-digit%, using, you know, the tax credit as the primary driver of growth and just some of the layering in from First Choice that we expect to get. There's opportunities for upside both in the tax credit business, which, you know, we continue to expand into new states or states that are coming back online. Missouri is an example of that. As well as, and I signaled this, whether we wanna use, you know, some modest gains from SBA to help aid that and make our what is, you know, fairly lumpy income a little bit more predictable, particularly on the fee line.
We'll owe you that when we come back on the next call because I'm not sure we've particularly on the SBA side crossed that particular bridge. Hopefully that gives you some flavor as to how we're thinking about trying to solve for, you know, 2022 and the overall trends.
Yeah. No, that's helpful. I appreciate it. Maybe just a couple other housekeeping ones. Just on the PPP, you know, the timing of kind of the forgiveness and, you know, the recognition of the remaining fees, how are you thinking about that?
If you'd asked me six weeks ago, I would have told you that it was fast and furious, and I would have expected it to come in fairly shortly. Quarter to date in the fourth quarter here, we've really seen that abate quite a bit. I don't have a great answer for you on that. You know, it's declining obviously. The opportunity is declining. I really don't have a great sense for if there's gonna be another push here in the fourth quarter to get a bunch of these off the books or not.
Okay. In the contribution this quarter of First Choice to the net interest income, you know, roughly how much was it? Just, I know you talked about trying to grow the dollars of NII with some of the bond stuff, but just trying to think about where the NII lands in fourth quarter, you know, kind of full quarter of inclusive of them.
Brian, I'm grabbing that. I know there's a chart here, and I know I said it. My apologies. I think it's.
If not, I can follow up online.
Yeah. I think it's $19 million, but for the life of me, I don't have that page in front of me here.
Okay. That's okay. I'll follow up online or circle back. Then, just the last one was maybe for Scott or Jim, just on the opportunistic hiring you guys talked about versus kind of, you know, now that you've got this deal is closed but not yet integrated, just how we think about the potential for, you know, M&A versus organic growth, just hiring. You know, if one of them is more likely in the near term. It sounds like there's a lot of opportunities you're seeing, you know, particularly on the, you know, the hiring front.
Yeah, let me start with that. I think there is a lot of opportunity. As you know, Brian, there is a lot of disruption, especially in the Southern California market. I think there is some incredible opportunities there. The other thing too is I think, you know, even though we have been in Phoenix for many years, I think our brand's growing well there such that it is a platform that seasoned, successful bankers can do well. Then even back in the Midwest, we are seeing good opportunities both in St. Louis and Kansas City. As you know, there is turnover within the industry, and we are getting our fair share of looks there.
Amid the specialties, Scott mentioned it's about lift out of teams and other experts there that work in constant conversations and just trying to find the right cultural fits as well as entities and people that can plug into the ecosystem that we currently have.
Gotcha. Just how are you thinking about M&A today? I mean, I guess, is that still, you know, kind of on, I wouldn't say looking at opportunistically, but until you get this one integrated, maybe a little bit less likely?
As you know, for us, it's not event-driven, it's a process. We got a lot on our plate. We have to make sure that what we've done over the last 18-24 months is integrated well. That's number one focus. Our job at the top is to continually speak to, seek out, find avenues to continue to improve our business. M&A is a tool we use effectively. Certainly, it's part of what we do daily, but we have to really provide some time now to let what we've purchased integrate well.
Gotcha. Makes sense. Okay. Thank you for taking the questions.
Thank you.
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Sure. Thank you, Todd. Thank you all for joining us today and for your interest in our company, and we sincerely appreciate it. Have a great day.
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