Good day, and welcome to the Entegris Third Quarter 20 17 Earnings Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, for opening remarks and introductions, I'd like to turn the call over to Cantor, Vice President of Corporate Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Earlier this morning, we announced the financial results for our third quarter ended September 30, 2017. You can access a copy of our press release and related slides on our website. Before we begin, I would like to remind listeners that our comments today will include some forward looking statements. These statements involve a number of risks and uncertainties, which are outlined in detail, in our reports and filings with the SEC.
On this call, we will also refer to non GAAP financial measures as defined by the SEC in Regulation G, you can find a reconciliation table in today's press release on our website. On the call today, of Bertrand Law, President and CEO and Greg Graves, CFO. Bertrand will now begin the call. Bertrand?
Thank you, Steve. I will make some comments on our third quarter performance. Greg will follow with more details on our Q3 financial results and provide guidance for our fourth quarter of 2017. We will then open the line for questions. We delivered another record quarter with excellent execution across the company.
Our sales grew 16% from a year ago and 5% sequentially reflecting strong performance of both our new products and legacy offerings. We achieved quarterly GAAP EPS of $0.28, a non GAAP EPS of $0.40. We generated record quarterly adjusted EBITDA of 96,000,000 or 28% of revenue, and we took steps to realign our AMH business to expand its future profitability. Finally, we brought in our capital allocation strategy to include a quarterly dividend, while continuing to pay down our term loan. Overall, the industry environment remains favorable with wafer production trends reflecting a widening of end demand beyond PC and mobile devices.
Indeed, the industry continues to invest in new leading edge capacity as makers of 3 d NAND and advanced logic devices continue to drive aggressive technology roadmaps to meet the computing power and storage requirements to support a number of emerging applications enabled by artificial intelligence and other new technologies. As we have stated before, new materials are playing a major role in these technology roadmaps. But the process challenges remain enormous. The adoption of new materials and the purity levels of these new materials will be critical to the next performance These requirements are no longer limited to advanced logic. They are becoming essential to advanced memory fabs as well.
At Entegris, we welcome these process challenges since they present new and expanded opportunities to leverage our unique array of capabilities More than ever before, the industry's technology leaders are coming to us to develop new molecules and in parallel develop co optimized purification, packaging and delivery solutions. As a result, our served markets have been expanding. And we've discussed many of our key initiatives, including advanced filtration and advanced packaging solutions for bulk chemical manufacturers, as well as more resistant coatings for etch chamber components, more performance deposition materials, enhance mixtures of processed gases and new CMP pad conditioners. These initiatives or tracking ahead of plan and are just illustrations of our robust pipeline of customer engagements. We are also addressing emerging opportunities in China with new partnerships that expand our local presence and shorten our supply loops.
I'm pleased to report that we recorded our first customer sale of all seen specialty gas products produced in Guangzhou in collaboration with Spectrum Materials, a leading specialty chemicals company in China. In addition, in September, We announced a new partnership with Jing Zing to supply our high purity kiosk material in the region. This material is critical to enabling 3d9 device performance and this partnership will help us gain share in this fast growing market. We also continue to invest broadly to better support our global customers. During the quarter, we celebrated the grand opening chemistry formulation and applications expertise in one single site.
This new technology center has expanded cleanroom space and will host our most advanced analytical and metrology equipment. This investment reflects our commitment to support our customer engagements with the best in class technical and application support. And we are also adding new manufacturing capacity for a number of fast growing product lines. During the quarter, we completed the installation of new reactors at our facility in Johan, Korea, to support the ramp in our specialty coating solutions. In addition, we also expect new capacity for our gas and liquid filters as well as for our graphite material to come online during fourth quarter.
From an operational and financial perspective, we were very pleased with our execution as we effectively worked on yield optimization initiatives while being in the midst of very significant new product ramps and new capacity additions. We are constantly looking for ways to optimize our business model. And improve our cost structure to achieve yet stronger financial results. The steps we took this quarter to realign the ANH division are a good example of this relentless focus. While AMH top line performance has been strong Its operating margin has been below our expectations.
And we believe that these steps will improve AMH financial performance. As we moved through 2018. Early this month, we also announced the initiation of a quarterly dividend of $0.07 to be paid to shareholders of record as of November 1st. This is a natural evolution of our capital allocation strategy. Our stable business model and healthy cash flow enabled us to simultaneously invest in growing our business, pay down our debt, make modest share repurchases and return cash to shareholders.
While maintaining flexibility for future acquisition. Finally, I want to take a moment to commend the global integrys teams for another outstanding quarter. Entegris's 4000 employees around the world are dedicated to innovation and excellence. Their attitude, their mindset, their relentless commitment is valued by our customers, and frankly, is what I am most proud of. This is the foundation of our financial performance today.
And this is what will fuel our success tomorrow. As we look to 2018, we foresee positive trends in the industry. And we expect wafer starts to grow at about twice the rate of global GDP. We also expect to continue to grow faster than the industry, as we capitalize on the success of our new products and as we fully leverage the new manufacturing capacity that is coming online by the end of this year. I will now turn the call to Greg for the financial details.
Greg?
Thank you, Bertrand. We are very pleased with our third quarter year to date performance which again demonstrated the strong operating leverage in our business model. Q3 sales of 346,000,000 grew 16% from a year ago and 5% from Q2. The strong results were driven by broad based strength across the business. We achieved non GAAP earnings per share of $0.40, which was above the high end of our guidance and up 67% from Q3 last year.
For the 1st 9 months of the year, sales of $992,000,000 were up 14% over the prior year, and non GAAP earnings per share of $1.02 grew 48 percent from the first 3 quarters of last year. Our operating performance reflected teams again executed very well and we continued to benefit from higher volumes and favorable product mix. We expect non GAAP adjusted Non GAAP operating expenses in Q3 were $78,000,000, which was at the low end of our expectations and essentially flat with We expect non GAAP operating expenses to flex the addition percent, up from 22.4 percent in Q2. These results exclude ongoing amortization expense, severance costs, asset write downs and an impairment of intangible assets. Net interest expense of $7,600,000 declined from Q2 as a result of continued and the non GAAP rate was 22%.
Benefit from higher R and D credits. For the full year 2017, we are expecting our non GAAP tax rate to be approximately 24%. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter For the 1st 9 months of 2017, we have generated $260,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA which is a 26% which is 26 percent of revenue and represents a 34% increase over the prior year. The growth in EBITDA relative to revenue demonstrates the operating leverage in our model and is consistent with our objective of growing EBITDA in more than twice rate of sales. Overall, we were pleased with our performance by division.
Our specialty chemicals and engineered material division recorded its 4th consecutive record quarter, up 19% from a year ago and 13% year to date. New products continued to drive our specialty gases, coating solutions, and advanced deposition materials to record levels. In addition, demand for SEEM's non GAAP adjusted operating margin was 28%, consistent with Q2 and at the high end of our expectations. The continued strong profit performance reflects very good execution by the supply chain team and favorable product mix. Our microcontamination control division achieved its 6th consecutive record quarter and grew sales 23% from last year and 21% year to date.
This growth is a direct result of the investments we have made over the past 4 years in technology development technical centers, new metrology tools and advanced manufacturing capabilities. The MC division also benefited from steady level of activity across the trailing edge fabs. MC's non GAAP adjusted operating margin was 38% up from 36% in Q2. The strong operating margin reflected higher volumes and favorable product mix. The Advanced Materials Handling division grew 8% from last year and 9% year to date.
In line with our expectations from new fab capacity build outs and sales of our fluid handling components, which have tracked both new fab infrastructure projects as well as OEM shipments 21% was consistently Q2 and well above Q1 of this year. As Trond described, We took steps to realign the AMH business in Q3 to improve the profitability of this division. We expect impact of these steps to dollars, consistent with what we outlined at our Analyst Meeting in March. Cash flow from operations for the quarter was $89,000,000 and free cash flow was 64,000,000. Year to date, we have generated $140,000,000 of free cash flow a 33% increase from last year.
DSOs were 48 days, up from 47 days in Q2, and inventory turns of 3.9 improved from 3.7 in Q2. Turning to the balance sheet, Our cash balance was $435,000,000, of which approximately $112,000,000 was in the Muses of cash during the quarter include CapEx of $25,000,000, consistent with our full year CapEx plans of $90,000,000 to $100,000,000 related to investments in capabilities and capacity to support our growth initiatives. During the quarter, we reduced Current maturities was $511,000,000 and our net leverage was 0.2 times. We also repurchased 10,000,000 As Bertrand mentioned, we expanded our capital allocation strategy to include a quarterly dividend of $0.07, which represents a yield program, we are returning $20,000,000 of cash per quarter to shareholders. We are confident in the cash generation capability and stability of our business model.
That balances continued debt repayment, building liquidity for potential acquisitions, modest share repurchases, and the quarterly dividend. Turning to our outlook from $335,000,000 to $345,000,000. At these revenue levels, we expect non GAAP EPS to be $0.35 to 13% and non GAAP EPS to be $1.37 to 1.42. In summary, we are excited about our growth opportunities and the progress We are pleased with our operating and financial performance and specifically, the earnings flow through we are achieving relative to our top line growth. Finally, with positive industry momentum and a product portfolio that is leveraged to key industry trends such as 3d NAND, and the Internet of Things, we are excited about our prospects for 2018.
Operator, We'll now take questions.
We'll take our first question from Patrick Ho from Stifel Nicolaus.
Nice quarter in outlook. Bertron, you guys have done an excellent job of leveraging your current capacity. Especially as revenues have grown this year. As you look forward to 2018, which you kind of suggested will be another growth year. How do you feel about your current capacity in house and whether you need to further increase it to potentially drive the increase of revenues next year if industry conditions continue to be very favorable?
Hi, Patrick. Good to hear you. So if you think about the many different programs that we initiated this year, in terms of capacity addition, they relate to our gas and liquid filtration products, our graphite materials, and our specialty coating solutions. All of those new additions, should be sufficient to deal with new capacity addition for any existing product lines. The only exception probably to that statement would be, the new deposition materials that we are in the process of developing, but I would not really qualify that as capacity addition per se, and they're really related to new molecules and new products that we are in the process of developing.
Great. That's helpful. And maybe as a follow-up question, in terms of your specialty chemical engineered materials business, you've talked about in the past your relationships or your growing relationships with a lot of your customers in developing these next generation materials with your customers. Can you just kind of maybe give a little bit of an update on that front, given that talked about advanced deposition materials that have now emerged and that's been a key driver. What are some of the next generation materials that you're working on with your customers and how that could potentially contribute down the road.
So you're correct, Patrick. Deposition is just getting harder as device architectures are becoming increasingly challenging. And that's really the direct function of further miniaturization of the metal gates but also vertical scaling. So in order to achieve, the required conformity, the industry is adopting new classes of precursors, solid precursors are becoming increasingly the norm. And, those actually, new types of materials are really difficult to handle.
So we've been developing in collaboration with our fab and OEM customers, pure solid materials. And we also in parallel developing, new delivery systems to ensure the efficient delivery of those materials and also the stability of those materials throughout transportation. So the type of materials that we've been focusing on are fluoro and free tungsten cobalt So that's really for some of the solid materials. But then we also are developing other types of materials, in different states. And another area of focus has been aluminum chloride and only to name a few.
All of those materials have applications in advanced logic, but the major area of focus for us recently has been advanced memory. And that's really where we expect most of the growth for advanced deposition materials to come from.
Great. Thank you very much.
We'll take our next question from Tasha Hari from Goldman Sachs.
Hi, good morning and congrats on another set of very strong results. Bertrand, I had a question regarding your Q4 outlook and some of the comments you made on 2018. For Q4 specifically, I think if we take the midpoint of your guide, you're expecting revenue to decline somewhere between 1% 2% sequentially. I think your biggest customer in Taiwan, this week or last week talked about their Q4 revenue being up 10% sequentially at the midpoint And as you guys know, there continues to be pretty severe tightness in memory, both in DRAM and NAND. So I guess what's driving the sequential decline in your guidance for Q4?
Could it be lumpiness in AMH or something like that? Some commentary there would be helpful. And then on 2018, Bertrand, you talked about wafer starts potentially growing at 2x the rate of GDP. I think it's rare for you at this point of the year to give commentary on 2018. So what gives you the confidence to guide so far out?
Thank you.
Great. Thank you for the 2 questions, Toshiya. Let me start with the Q4 guidance. And you're right. I mean, the guidance that we've been, providing represents a modest, modest sequential decline versus Q3.
I think this is mostly in line with normal seasonal trends. And you're correct that we continue to expect steady levels of activity in advanced memory and advanced logic fabs. But I think it's going to be offset by lower utilization levers in fabs running at 28 nanometer and, and above. So that's on the one hand and that will impact our unit driven business, which represents about 75% of our revenue. On the CapEx front, we expect the industry spending to be modestly down which I would say is probably a little better than our original expectations, but we continue to believe that it's going to be a modest, down quarter for our CapEx business.
So net net overall on a full year basis, If you take the midpoint of our guidance, we expect to grow our top line in excess of 13%. As Greg mentioned in his prepared remarks, And this would represent an outperformance of about 100 to 200 basis points over the underlying industry growth. And this is consistent, of course, with our stated growth objective. As it relates to your second question and the 2018 guidance, So yes, we expect 2018 to be another good year for the industry and a great year for Entegris. We think that, again, there is pent up demand for a number of those chips that will be absolutely essential in building the architecture supporting a number of emerging replications.
And we think that the demand for demand, we think that the demand for artificial intelligence chips will continue to grow very steadily in 2018. This is what we are hearing broadly across a number of our fab customers. And this is really what gives us the conviction. To state that wafer starts in all likelihood will be growing at about twice the rate of GDP. The one part of our business where we don't have that level of visibility is really the CapEx.
And, at this point in time, it's really hard for us to provide the quantified growth number for this part of our business. We will do that in February when we report our Q4 earnings. And at that time, we expect to provide a more comprehensive guidance for 2018. And then the last point, that I want to make around our optimism around 2018 has nothing to do with the industry, but really has to do with the richness of our opportunity pipeline. And we continue to, because of, again, the health of the opportunity pipeline, we continue to expect to outperform the industry by 1 to 200 basis points.
And that's going to come from capitalizing on the product momentum that we've seen from a number of new solutions we introduced in the market, but also leveraging the new capacity that will be coming online. Later this year in 2017.
Great. I had 2 more, if I may. So first, in terms of your MC segment, as Greg, you mentioned, very nice profitability in the quarter, 38% adjusted profit margins. In AMH, you talked about a potential 200 to 300 basis point improvement over the next couple of years. Can you maybe talk about sustainability of profitability in the MC segment and if that could improve going forward?
And then separately, in terms of your cash allocation strategy going forward, very nice to see the dividend initiation. But how should we think about mix going forward, between organic investments, potential M and A and shareholder return. Thank you so much.
Okay. As it relates, hi, Toshiya, but as it relates to the divisional performance and if you both MC and FCEM are performing above the targets that we laid out at our Analyst Day. So we feel very good about the performance. We've had very good, we've had very favorable mix in both of those divisions. And so I would expect barring a significant shift in mix or change in our operational performance, which has been very good.
That you'd expect to see performance at similar levels performance in the AMH division as we get into the middle of next year. As it relates to capital allocation, We've got a strategy that really amounts to an annual capital allocation of about $180,000,000 and that breaks down is $100,000,000 in annual debt reduction and then returning $80,000,000 to shareholders in the form of $10,000,000 a quarter in buybacks and $10,000,000 a quarter in the debit in the form of the dividend. And within doing that, we don't expect to be pinching ourselves in terms of what we need to do internally from a CapEx perspective, or frankly, we need to invest from an ER and D perspective.
Very helpful. Thank you so much.
Moving on, we'll take our next question from Edwin Mach from Needham And Company. Hey, thanks
for taking my question. First, actually, just to follow on that capital allocation, just to be clear, so you expect your CapEx to come down in 2018?
I would expect our CapEx in 2018 will probably actually be modestly higher. We have some pretty significant investments next year. Bertrand mentioned one of them in particular, meaningful investment in our Deposition Materials business, which growing very rapidly. So CapEx will probably be we're not prepared to give 'eighteen guidance, but I would expect it will be up. Modestly from where we were in 2017.
Okay, great. Yeah. Just want to clarify that. Okay. I have two questions actually.
First is, Bertrand, your commentary that you guys are outperforming the industry by 100 to 200 basis point, right? I think when you point out guidance, you've grown 13% this year, right? So that implied this year's industry is growing at 10% plus. Is that right? Or are you guys outperforming even more than that?
More than 100 and 200 basis point they talked about?
So our estimate by now, Edwin, is about 8% to 9% for wafer start. And then of course, the higher number for CapEx. So the blend for us would give us about an 11 to 12% underlying industry growth rate. And again, we expect to achieve something greater than 13%. That's really the basis for my statement about 1 to 200 basis points above the market.
Okay, great. Okay, that's helpful. And then, I have a question regarding your, that JMC agreement for manufacturer the kiosk, right? I guess 2 part question, right. First is, do you guys have to, is there any capital you have to invest into that production or is it the JV partner do a lot of manufacturing this first part.
2nd part is, kind of, look long term beyond just kind of near term, what update you get, right? How do you kind of think about that business evolve long term? Do you see that those kind of JV type relationship be a way to go to get more print into China or do you envision yourself investing in the building facility in China?
Yes. So Edwin, I think first of all, as you can imagine, we are really focused very intensely on China as a market This is a market that is growing very fast. This is also a market that is changing very quickly. And, it's not necessarily clear today how this market will be looking like in 3, 4 years from now. So our strategy will evolve, as we learn more, But so today, let me just clarify that, we don't have any JVs.
I mean, the two relations that we have structured with spectrum and Gen Zeng are both, arm lengths partnerships. So we provide the technology. We own manufacturing assets that they will be using to, purify and fill in the cylinders. We will buy those cylinders and we will be, if you want the, the channel to the end customer. So it's a subcontracting, it's a manufacturing subcontracting arrangement with those 2 entities.
So this is what I think is the right approach for, both, some of the processed gases that spectrum will be manufacturing for us and the TOS material that, we will be making in China. In both cases, those are our legacy product lines, so older product lines. But the recipe may actually change as we may identify the need to make, newer products in China. And in which case, we may decide to have our own, fully owned manufacturing capability in China. We haven't crossed that line yet but this could be part of the, the strategy going forward.
Moving on, we'll take our next question from Sidney Ho from Deutsche Bank.
And congrats on the great results. For the actions that you are taking in your AMH segment, can you give us a little color of what you're doing there. And just to be clear, should we think about these actions will get you to the target margins? I think you mentioned 22%, 24% by mid-twenty 18? And how much more runway do you think that will be beyond those targets?
Okay. So specifically, I mean, what we've done in the AMH business is we've reduced the cost structure through, essentially rationalizing the headcount. So we had a headcount reduction that'll be that. That's a permanent reduction that will benefit us really beginning in the current quarter. We have exited or are in the process of exiting, what I'd call 2 product lines that we view as non strategic And so we've written the tooling off.
And in one case, it's a small, facility that will be ultimately hope to sell the business. And, both very low margin businesses and both businesses that frankly weren't growing or contributing to the growth of the division. Those are the primary, changes with regard to that business. The 22% to 24% target that we laid out in, March, I mean, we obviously would hope to do better than that, but I would say at this point, I'm not prepared to make a commitment beyond that.
Yes. The only thing I would add to that, that final statement that Greg made is that the, the product mix in this division connect to you very, very drastically from 1 quarter to the next or from 1 year to the next. So it's really hard to commit to a much greater set of numbers, at this point in time.
Okay. Then I have a couple of follow-up questions. First on maybe this one's for Greg. You guys have done a really good job on the OpEx side. I think 3rd quarter was $78,000,000 4th quarter and maybe $80,000,000 at the midpoint.
There's a lot of leverage. I think 2017, that's 13% revenue growth. I know you only grow 2% of OpEx. How should we think about next year OpEx on a run rate basis or year over year growth basis?
Well, what I would say our philosophy around OpEx particularly as it relates to the SG and A line as we want to hold that as tight as we possibly can. I mean, areas finance, IT, HR. We're very focused on keeping those numbers as near to flat as possible. I think flat is not necessarily possible to think sort of a couple of percent increase in those types of areas. ER and D, honestly, I'd like to see us spend more next year.
Our if you look at our E R and D, it was actually down for the quarter versus Q2. We expect it to move up a little bit in Q4. But we are continuing to invest continuing to hire people continuing to expand our capabilities. So the increase in the E R and D probably or in line with sort of an inflationary rate, maybe 3% to 4% next year.
Okay. That's great. That's helpful. Well, my last question is on a blended basis, your operating margin is at 22% in to 24% of Q3 doing well. If you look at the full year calendar 'seventeen, you're offering like 2 percentage points ahead your target model.
Does that mean your operating margin target is conservative now, or do you think there are reasons why operating margins would normalize to assure your model over time?
I would say today it all feels pretty conservative. Like I said, we would like to invest a little bit more in ER and D. Historically, we've tried to keep that target model pretty consistent, meaning we've changed it typically every 2 or 3 years. We just rolled this one out about 6 months, a little more than 6 months ago. So we're not prepared to formally change it.
But today, I mean, there's no doubt it feels pretty conservative.
So we would have an Analyst Day in March of next year. And I think this is probably the time for us to refine those numbers and start projecting forward as well.
Okay. Thank you very
We'll take our next question from Amanda Scanati from Citi.
Hi, good morning. Just a quick follow-up question on the arrangement, the manufacturing arrangements in China, what are you doing to kind of protect your IP in China? And do you view that as any sort of concern as trying to continue to develop out its semiconductor business that there could be some IP concerns there?
Hi, Amanda. So I mean, of course, as you can imagine, we are very focused on protecting our IP We are a technology company with thrive on having differentiated technology and solutions and IP is a very important part of that. So it starts with selecting the right partner and, I think in both cases, we are dealing with companies that share our values, our integrity and are committed to very high manufacturing standards in terms of quality and safety as well. So, but again, I think it selects selecting the right partner is essential. And then again, we have, control over the manufacturing process.
And we are, very focused on making sure that the way we set up the manufacturing locally allows us to, protect our IP through embedded software solutions and other ways around it.
Okay. Could you just talk about the percentage of sales you have on kind of the leading edge nodes versus 20 nanometer and above nodes And as we start approaching 7 nanometer introduction, do you see any improvements potential in gross margins?
So, I mean, we don't really break that down in terms of what is leading edge and trailing edge until difficult for us to do. But if you look at the vitality index, we've been fairly consistently now tracking at about 30% of our revenue being in products and solutions introduced in the last 3 years. And those products usually would end up in a in edge logic on the annoying fab. So we, we've seen actually, that ratio expand over time, which is, which is a good sign. It's shows that we are getting the return that we're expecting from the R and D investment.
The other thing that we're tracking is whether or not those new products are yielding greater gross margins, and that is the case. So I think that overall, I am very pleased with the return we're getting in R&D, both in terms of growth on the top line, but also in terms of our ability to create value for customers and capture some of that value into greater margins. Great.
Thank you.
Moving on, we'll take our next question from Chris Kapschik from Loop Capital.
Yeah, good morning. I had a follow-up on Bertrand's comment about the sales growth in the quarter being sort of broad based across both legacy and advanced nodes. Could you just provide some color, in that context, how the growth looked across memory logic and foundry customers, was it similarly balanced or was it skewed towards memory if you have visibility into that?
I would say that the performance in memory continued to be very strong as it has been since the beginning of the year. We saw actually some improvement in our foundry and logic customers in Q3, which was actually welcome. So then this is probably one of the most notable changes in the trends that we saw in Q3 versus what we had seen in the 1st part of the year.
Okay. And then just sort of following up if I focus on the MC segment in particular and the nice acceleration in year over year growth at least compared to the second quarter. I'm just wondering, so Given the increasingly stringent, you know, purity requirements at the Advanced Nodes, I'm just wondering if, in that business is the growth, also balanced across demand from legacy nodes as well as advanced nodes or are you seeing sort of an acceleration in growth in MC associated with just the purity intensity of the production and the architecture of chips at the advanced node.
Right. So I would say that the rate of growth is certainly higher at the leading edge, but, we are certainly very pleased with the performance across the board, both in, the semi leading edge fabs as well as the trading edge fabs, as I described in my previous comment. But the one part we haven't talked about is, the non semi part of our business. And as it relates to penetration, that, Market segment has been doing extremely well since the beginning of the year. On display business has been growing, and, a number of other non semi applications have been doing very well as it relates to filtration.
So it's really broad based And that really is what has been driving MC to new record revenues quarter after quarter.
Got it. Thank you. And then just one follow-up on the actions you're taking to improve the margins in AMH and I guess you mentioned 200 to 300 basis points of improvement sometime middle next year. Is that something that is would sort of gradually show up in the numbers? Or is or these actions such that it's kind of like flipping a switch and 1 quarter all of a sudden we'll see that lift.
And then and also just to get at those target margins for that segment, what sort of industry backdrop do you need in terms of the CapEx environment to achieve those the targeted margins that you referred to? Thank you.
Okay. Yes. So, Chris, it's Greg. It will be relatively gradual. I mean, we're we announced that we were closing a facility last quarter.
That facility doesn't actually close until the end of Q2 of next year. 1 of the product lines we're exiting is actually likely to be a sale of the business. That'll take some that's going to take some time as well. So it should transition in by like I said, certainly by we should see the benefit. Some benefits in Q4, Q1, but the total benefit should be in place really by Q3 of next year.
I mean, if you say when is everything going to be cleaned up, so to speak, From a backdrop perspective, I mean, that business on the capital side really benefits as much from new fab construction as it does from tool shipments. And so if you said what's a perfect environment, it would be both a combination of significant new fab construction, new plumbing, I call them plumbing systems in the, in sort of sub floors and that type of thing as well as tool shipments. That's helpful. Thanks very much. And obviously the business is about half the business is units, so units helps it as well.
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it. But it is
our most capital intensive business. And like I said, it's both fab construction as well as tools.
Yes, got it. And then maybe just one last one, because I think in the past, you've characterized the there to more leverage in SCM and AMH, vis a vis the, microcontamination segment in terms of I guess, gross margin leverage really. And so, yeah, in this quarter, it sounds like at least if, operating margins are a proxy for gross margin trajectory. It seems you're definitely seeing some leverage in MC as well. So is there is it, is it just, unit cost driven?
Is it mix? Or is it just across the board? Help people?
Bertran made a comment earlier around the AMH business and it is probably our most mix dependent business and So in the current quarter, it wasn't an operating issue. On a relative basis, I mean, we were pleased with the performance, but to your point, you're comparing it on a relative basis. It clearly wasn't as strong as SCEM or MC. And I would attribute that to a less than favorable mix.
And at this time, I would like to turn the conference back over to Steve Cantor for any additional or closing remarks.
Great. Thank you. Before closing today's call, I want to note that as Bertrand mentioned, we will be participating in a number of upcoming investors opportunities in Boston, Singapore and London, and we're planning an Analyst Day in March. And please look for more details on that in the coming months. Thank you again for joining the call and have a great day.