Welcome to the Eversource Energy Q3 2020 Results Conference Call. My name is John, and I will be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. Please note that this conference is being recorded.
And I will now turn the call over to Jeffrey Katkin.
Thank you very much, John. Good morning, and thank you for joining us. I'm Jeff Kotkin, Eversource Energy's Vice President for Investor Relations. During this call, we'll be referencing slides that we posted last night on our website. And as you can see on Slide 1, some of the statements made during this investor of 1995.
These forward looking statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to risk and uncertainty, which may cause the actual results to differ materially from forecasts and projections. These factors are set forth in the news release issued yesterday. Additional information about the various factors that may cause actual results to differ can be found in our annual report on Form 10 ks for the year ended December 31, 2019, and our Form 10 Q for the 3 months ended June 30, 2020. Additionally, our explanation of how and why we use certain non GAAP measures and how those measures reconcile to GAAP results is contained within our news release and the slides we posted last night and in our most recent 10 ks. Speaking today will be Phil Lembo, our Executive Vice President and CFO.
Also joining us today are Joe Nolan, our Executive Vice President for Strategy, Customer and Corporate Relations John Moreira, our Treasurer and Senior VP for Finance and for Finance and Regulatory and Jay Booth, our Controller. Now I will turn Slide 2 and turn over the call to Phil.
Thank you, Jeff. Good morning, everyone. I hope everyone on the call remains healthy and that your families are safe and doing well. This morning, I'll cover a variety of areas, review the results of the 3rd quarter, discuss recent regulatory developments including the acquisition of the assets of Columbia Gas of Massachusetts, and provide an update on recent developments around our offshore wind partnership with Orsted. I'll start with 2, noting that recurring earnings were $1.02 per share in the Q3 of 2020 compared with recurring earnings of $0.98 share in the Q3 of 2019.
GAAP results which include a charge of $0.01 per share relating to the recently completed acquisition of the assets of Columbia Gas of Massachusetts, totaled $1.01 per share in the 3rd quarter of 2020. In the 1st 9 months of 2020, our recurring earnings, excluding Columbia Gas acquisition cost, totaled $2.80 per share compared with recurring earnings of $2.69 per share in the 1st 9 months of 2019 and excluding the Northern Pass Transmission impairment charge. GAAP results for September of this year were $2.76 per share. Turning to our business segments, our electric distribution segment earned $0.60 per share in the Q3 of 2020 compared with earnings of $0.61 per share in the Q3 of 2019. The lower earnings were a result of both higher storm restoration costs and property tax expense as well as the impact of share dilution.
Our electric transmission segment earned $0.36 per share in the Q3 of 2020 compared with recurring earnings of $0.33 per share in the Q3 of 2019. Improved results were driven by the continued investment and reliability in our transmission facilities, partially offset by share dilution. Our Natural Gas Distribution segment lost $0.04 per share in the Q3 of 2020 compared with a loss of $0.05 per share in the Q3 of last year. Improved results were due to higher revenues. I should note that because we didn't close on our acquisition of Columbia Gas of Massachusetts assets until October 9, The transaction had no impact on this, the Gap segment during the quarter.
Each quarter this year, we've booked acquisition related costs at the parent and have segregated them for increased transparency. Beginning in the Q4 of this year, ongoing results of our new gas franchise, which is named Eversource Gas Company of Massachusetts, will be reflected in the natural gas segment. Integration related costs however will continue to be recorded separately at the parent and excluded from our recurring GAAP earnings. Our Water Distribution segment earned $0.07 per share in the Q3 of 2020 compared with earnings of $0.06 per share in the Q3 of 2019. Improved results were due to a $3,500,000 after tax gain on sale of our Enum, Massachusetts area facilities to the town.
Eversource Parrot earned $0.03 per share in the Q3 of 2020, excluding the Columbia Gas of Massachusetts asset acquisition costs, equal to our earnings in the Q3 of last year. As you probably noted in our earnings release and can see on Slide 3, we are reaffirming our 2020 earnings per share guidance of $3.60 to $3.70 and that is excluding the non recurring costs related to the purchase of Columbia Gas of Massachusetts assets. We are also reaffirming our long term EPS growth rate of 5% to 7% from our core regulated business through the year 2024. We continue to be to expect to be somewhere around the middle of that range largely due to the investments we need to make on behalf of our customers as we outlined for you earlier in the year. As a reminder, while we fully expect the Columbia Gas assets to be accretive to our earnings per share starting immediately in 2021, we have not yet updated our long term financial outlook to reflect the acquisition of Columbia Gas assets in our capital CapEx and our earnings growth.
In addition, as we've disclosed previously, earnings from offshore wind would be incremental to our core business growth. We'll provide a comprehensive update of our regulated capital investment forecast, adding in Eversource Gas Company of Massachusetts projections and provide an update of our offshore wind partnership during our year end call in late February. From the Q3 results, I'll turn to Slide 4 and our experience restoring power after tropical storm Itaes ravaged Connecticut on October 4. Serve 149 cities and towns in Connecticut and every one of these communities suffered damage from East Ios, much of it catastrophic. As you can see on the slide, we had nearly 22,000 damaged locations that we had to address and brought in an army of electric, restoration and tree crews to restore power, all the while working on the restoration in a pandemic setting.
The restoration process lasted 9 days, meaning we completed our work 1 to 2 days faster than we had in the last 2 tropical storms that hit Connecticut even though we had 30% to 35% more damaged locations. And most importantly, completed that work safely with no serious electrical contact and no COVID exposure among the enormous workforce we brought to Connecticut. Just a tremendous effort by all of our employees from across all parts of Eversource. At this time, we estimate that deferred costs across all three states will total more than $275,000,000 with the vast majority of that's incurred in Connecticut. That figure will be adjusted as the the actual invoices are received.
We're still actively pursuing invoices from hundreds of vendors that assisted us during the statewide restoration effort. Where we were setting new poles or hanging miles of new wires or replacing hundreds of transformers, these related costs are to be capitalized. The ultimate recovery of storm costs and the evaluation of our performance in safely and expeditiously restoring power to our customers is pending an ongoing review by the Connecticut Public Utilities Regulatory Authority or PURA. That review is scheduled to be completed in late April of 2021. Sticking with our regulated business, I'll turn Slide 5 and a review of this year's distribution rate reviews.
This past Friday, the Massachusetts Department of Public Utilities issued its decision in the NSTAR Gas rate review that we filed last year. It supports our continued investment in the NSTAR nSTAR Gas system on behalf of our 300,000 customers. The decision allows nSTAR Gas to increase distribution revenues by $23,000,000 on an annualized basis. The DPU approved an ROE of 9.9% and a capital structure with a 54.77 percent equity. It also permits us to implement performance based rate making for a 10 year term that with sound operating performance by AnStar Gas will target annual base rate increases of inflation plus 1.03%.
This is an earnings sharing mechanism that would return 75% of the benefit to customers should we see the ROE of 10.9% and sharing mechanism on the downside if our ROE falls below 8.4%. Also exciting is the decision also approves our 1st ever geothermal pilot program. Our other long standing rate proceeding involves Public Service of New Hampshire. In New Hampshire last month, we and all the parties to the PSNH rate case filed a proposed settlement in the rate review that has been pending for nearly a year and a half. As you can see from the slide, we settled on a $45,000,000 annualized rate increase that includes a 9 point 3% return on equity and a 54.4 percent equity layer.
Should regulators approve the settlement, the permanent increase would take effect in January 1, 2021. You may recall that the New Hampshire Public Utility Commission allowed us to implement a temporary rate increase of approximately $28,000,000 back in July, July 1, 2019. The final approved rates would be retroactive back to that date 18 months. We would recover that in a true up over the course of the year 2021. We can settle consider the settlement to be a constructive outcome to PSNH's first general increase in about a decade and have asked the New Hampshire PUC to approve the settlement before the end of November.
From the rate reviews, I'll turn to Slide 6 and our recently completed acquisition of the assets of Columbia Gas in Massachusetts for $1,100,000,000 of cash excluding working capital adjustments. Most of these assets were signed to Eversource Gas Company in Massachusetts, a new subsidiary I mentioned that we formed in May of 2020. As you can see on the slide, much of Eversource Gas' service territory is adjacent to NSTAR Gas or Yankee Gas Service Territories. Additionally, NSTAR Electric already provides electric service to about 20 30,000 natural gas customers in the communities where they live. To finance the transaction, we sold approximately $500,000,000 of equity in June and we financed the debt portion of the transaction in August.
And again, we are very confident that this transaction will be accretive to our earnings per share in 2021 and incrementally accretive in the years ahead. A critical factor in ensuring that this transaction brings benefits to all stakeholders is an 8 year rate plan that we negotiated with the Massachusetts Attorney General and other key parties prior to our filing with the Massachusetts Department of Public Utilities. The key elements of that plan are listed on Slide 7. It will allow us to make the necessary investments in our Eversource Gas of Mass System and reflect those investments and rates in a reasonably timely manner. We are thankful that the ZPU approved the settlement and the acquisition very quickly.
Now that we have the keys to the property and a long term plan in place, we are focused on providing our new Eversource Gas customers with the same high level of service that we provide our other 550,000 natural gas distribution company customers that we have in Massachusetts into our updated 5 year projections that we'll provide you in February. We continue to project approximately $3,000,000,000 of regulated company capital investments this year despite the challenges posed by the pandemic and the need to take crews off of capital projects for a significant part of August to deal with the aftermath of tropical storm Isaias. Through September, our capital investments totaled approximately $2,200,000,000 That's approximately the same level as this time last year in 2019. We made considerable progress on our transmission capital program in the Q3, putting several projects into service at below budget as these benefits of lower costs will flow through to New England's electric customers. From the regulated business, I'll turn to offshore wind partnership with on Slide 8.
We've had a few developments since our July 31 earnings call. The most significant development was that in August, the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management posted a complete review schedule for our 130 Megawatt South Fork project on Long Island. The schedule culminates in a decision on a construction and operations permit or COP as it's known in mid January of 2022. We are also making progress on the other permits. In September, we filed a settlement proposal with the New York Department of Public Service to resolve much of the stakeholder feedback related to the construction, operations and maintenance of the project that lies within New York jurisdiction.
In October, several of New York State agencies signaled their support for this proposal by signing on to the agreement. We structured an agreement on host community payments and the necessary real estate rights with the town of East Hampton where the offshore cable would land and will be connected to the Long Island grid. New York Public Service Commission siting hearings for South Fork is scheduled to commence the 1st week of December. We continue to expect the state planning process to be completed in 2021 before BOEM issues the COP. Based on that schedule, we now expect the project to enter service in the Q4 of 2023.
This is consistent with the expectations we disclosed during our May July earnings calls, while we were still waiting for the review schedule. Turning to our other projects, you will recall that we filed our BOEM application for Revolution Wind in March. We expect BOEM to establish a review schedule for that project in the Q1 of 2021. We do not expect to provide an updated in service date for this project until the schedule is issued, but at this point it is unlikely that the project will enter service by the end of 2023. Also we filed our Sunrise Wind application with BOEM on September 1 and expect BOEM to establish a review schedule for the project next year.
Once we receive that review schedule, we'll be able to better estimate a more up to date in service schedule. But again, at this time, it would seem that the end of 'twenty four in service is not likely. We are very optimistic about our offshore wind business and expect to have many opportunities over the coming months years to expand our offshore wind partnership beyond the 17 14 megawatts currently under contract. As we mentioned before, we have enough lease capacity to construct at least 4,000 megawatts on the 550 square miles of ocean tracks that we have under long term lease off the South coast of Massachusetts. To this point, on October 20, we submitted a number of alternative bids into the 2nd New York Offshore Wind RFP where the state is looking for between 1,000 and 2,500 megawatts.
New York State officials have indicated that they expect to announce the winner or winners before the end of the year. Our Sunrise project, as a reminder, won the largest portion of New York's first RFP last year, 8 80 Megawatts. Additionally, just last week, Rhode Island Governor Gina Raimondo announced that FirstDay will target early next year by issuing an RFP to 600 megawatts of additional offshore winds. As you know, the majority of our Revolution Wind capacity, 400 megawatts will be sold to Rhode Island with the balance going to Connecticut. Thank you very much for joining us this morning and I'll turn the call back over to Jeff.
Thanks, Phil. And I'll turn the call back to John just to remind you how to enter questions in the Q and A Thank you, John. Our first question this morning is from Shar from Guggenheim. Good morning, Shar.
Good morning, Jeff.
Good morning, Phil. Good morning, Shar.
So a couple of questions here. Just on, Phil, some of your language around sort of the growth rate, obviously, which still excludes Columbia Gas and Offshore Wind. Obviously, these are very accretive and you're already conservatively kind of well within your band. So should we sort of be thinking about these incremental items as potentially raising your growth rate to maybe 6% to 8% or something that will hit you to the top end and then sort of extend that runway with your current trajectory. I mean, the reason why I ask is 6% to 8% seems to be sort of that new top quartile bucket in our space where 5% to 7% is becoming a little bit more typical.
So curious how you're sort of thinking about this? Do you see value to be in the top quartile or
you don't think you're going
to get rewarded for it? So curious on that as we think about you layering its plan.
Sure. Thanks for the question and I hope you are doing well. Certainly the addition of Columbia Gas and will be additive to our existing forecast. So we're working through all the details of that. So we're able to provide you with a full update in February, but we expect to get significant benefit from that franchise.
And as we say, we also expect as those offshore wind projects come online to also be additive. To remind folks, I know I said it, but and you did that the 5% to 7 percent growth rate is from the existing core business, which doesn't include Columbia assets. It also doesn't include grid modernization activities that are currently pending in Connecticut and New Hampshire or AMI that could be the potential to move forward relatively soon in Massachusetts in terms of taking a look at that by the regulator. So I see that we have a number of levers to grow and grow at even a higher rate than we had expected before.
Got it. That's helpful.
And then just lastly for me is, can you just maybe talk a little bit about your expectations for the legislation in Connecticut? I mean, the legislation that passed was more constructive than the draft legislation, but obviously some disappointment with the refunds and penalties offset by the potential upside from like PBRs. So sort of how are you guys thinking about this internally?
Sure. The energy legislation, we've said consistently that PBR is a formula and a template that we think is effective. We have PBR structures in other states and we think that having a robust discussion on PVR in Connecticut makes a lot sense. So we're very supportive of that provision. Really the energy legislation directed PURA to evaluate that and open a docket by the middle of next year, so June of 2021.
And it authorizes PURA to establish storm standards and potential penalties as you mentioned. There is an increased potential of penalties. Currently, those penalties are 2.5% of our distribution revenues in Connecticut and that goes up to 4%. So it also gives PURA some additional time to review cases, which is also something that seems to be appropriate. So the legislation as you indicated is out there and PURE is working through the details of it and we expect to be working through that in a constructive way with them over the next several months.
Got it.
Terrific. That's all I had today. Thanks guys.
All right.
Thanks, Shar. Thanks, Shar. Thanks, Shar. Our next question is from Steve Fleishman from Wolfe. Good morning, Steve.
Good morning. So can you hear me?
Yes, Steve, I can.
Yes, great. So just a question on the delays in your offshore wind projects. Could you maybe talk to I know we don't know the exact timing, but how should we think about the impact on the economics of those projects from delay or puts and takes? And is it hurting the economics of the projects you already have signed up to?
Yes. Thanks for your question, Steve. I hope you and your family are doing well. I guess to go to the puts and takes piece, I don't think that folks should automatically think that schedule changes result in ups or downs. There's some benefits or that people may not consider in that.
So certainly, if you are looking at adjusted schedules, you might be able to adjust your installation vessel optimization better. The turbine sizes themselves are getting larger, so you could move to larger turbine sizes if projects are due at a later time period versus an earlier time period. And certainly the cost, supply chain and availability of materials and supply chain is always getting better. So I'd say that there's opportunities for improved cost economics as you move into a schedule that you may not think of. I think people generally think of projects as if there's a delay, it's a cost increase, but that there are other elements that work here in the offshore wind business that offset that.
How about any negatives?
Is it how about like do you lose are you going to
lose any tax credits or anything else? I guess just time value?
Yes. In terms of the schedules we're looking at, we don't expect to have any impact on our tax assumptions, but certainly significant delays delays could have impacts on your tax assumptions, delays could also have impacts on contracts that you have with counterparties. But in our specific case, so that's the general case, in our specific case, we're confident that we have the ability to work within both of those, the tax area and the contract area in an effective way with, where we see the schedules going in the future.
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question is from Angie from
Seaport
Global. So I have a question about Massachusetts. You guys have this very constructive decision for NSTAR Gas, but the state is clearly looking at the future of gas LDCs. And so how do you guys see it, especially in light of the fact that you just acquired an additional gas utility in Massachusetts?
Good morning, Angie, and thank you for your question and hope you're doing well. The way that I would position it or the way that I think people should think about it is that there's nobody, 1st of all, who's more aggressive in terms of looking at clean energy strategies and carbon reduction and Eversource in terms of having a carbon neutral goal by 2,030. We have worked effectively with all parties in all states, but in Massachusetts where the Attorney General and others want to take a look at sort of the future or the outlook in terms of the gas business. We've been working with these intervening parties for many years and we'll continue to work with them on what we think an appropriate strategy is there. So this is a long term outlook in terms of that the state wants to be have aggressive clean energy and carbon reduction targets.
We're fully supportive of that and we look forward to working with all the parties there. But we don't see it as a threat to the gas distribution business in the region at all.
Okay. And in Connecticut, this recent back and forth between you guys and PURA about the extension of the lack of basically disconnections on the back of COVID. I mean, it sounds a bit concerning that PORA is pushing back so strong that they don't need to sign off on that extension. I mean, I would assume that it's an actual practice, normal practice for a regulated utility to seek a recovery of these under recovered revenues. Can you give us a sense how you see it in Connecticut, given the latest legislative changes and also some deterioration in the regular relationships in the state?
Yes. So we are not doing shutoffs across all any of our franchises at this point. And specifically, we're working with customers. We're working with fuel agencies, assistance agencies on an approach here that works best for customers. We've also engaged with PURA as you mentioned and other government officials on this issue.
So I'm confident that we'll get to a good place here. Nobody wants to burden customers with any more than we're already all sort of burdened with in terms of the economic conditions and COVID, etcetera. So we're working through the issue. We're working with customers, as I say, and some of the systems agencies and I'm sure we'll get to a good outcome here.
Very good. Thank you.
Thank you, Angie. Next question is from Julien from Bank of America. Julien.
[SPEAKER JULIEN DUMOULIN SMITH:] Hey, good
morning, team. Thanks for the time.
I hope all of you
are doing well and safe and families as well. Perhaps just to pick up off of or perhaps clarify, if I can, some
of the last rounds of questions.
When you talk about the 4Q roll forward, are you going to be rolling to 2025? And then more specifically, how do you think about including or excluding offshore wind in light of the uncertainty you described? Should we expect that offshore wind should continue to be at least for those projects where there's an undetermined date to continue to be excluded there?
Julian, thanks for your question and your comments and I hope you and your family are doing well too. Just to clarify, we will our history has been to add another year into the outlook. So 2025 would be that year since our forecast goes through the 2024 time period. So that is something that you should expect to see. And really our view on how to look at offshore wind, it doesn't change by any of the schedule items we talked about today or if we've looked at it as showing the core business as the driver and the foundational element of the growth rate and then to show that wind is additive to that in what way.
So that would be the intent going forward. I think that when I've been asked this question before, the answer is, was and still is. As more years of wind come in to the actual results of that particular year, then to me it makes more sense to roll it all together. But at this stage, the expectation, especially in this upcoming February update, would be to have the core business, extend that through 2025 and then show offshore wind in addition to that.
And if you don't mind elaborating a little bit further, I know that there's a certain degree of uncertainty on exactly the permitting schedule that inhibits your ability to say when these projects are going to reach in service. Can you at least try to put some more parameters around what each of these pieces of the process could take such that there's like a window, if you will? It may be too early.
Yes. So in terms of there's people have realized out there and we've been asked questions. I think you've asked us the questions terms of with delays on Vineyard Wind and other things, there's been some delays in terms of BOEM's notice of intent and to prepare their environmental impact statement. And frankly, we would have expected in our original schedules that some of these NOIs to prepare the environmental impact statement would be out by now. So these are expected.
I believe the planned schedule for reviewing and releasing these is underway. So I wouldn't expect a significant change in the schedule, but at this stage it would be prudent to wait to see the schedule that comes out of BOEM before we can get to a final in service day. So I wouldn't expect it to be significant.
Got it. Excellent.
All right. I'll pass it from there.
Thank you so much, Steve. Thanks, Julian. Next question is from Durgesh from Evercore. Good morning, Durgesh.
Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Just following up on the offshore wind here. What to expect there is this EIS decision, I suppose, that is going to be out or EIS taken rather this month or early December. What do you expect there?
And then how does that impact your future project timelines?
Yes. These notice of intents that they contain a planned schedule that in those NOIs, they have contained BOEM's planned schedule for reviewing each of the costs. So that would be an important piece of information to have available. So that's really what's included in that is a planned schedule for reviewing the COP that comes out with the notice of intents.
All right. So, I guess maybe I'm talking about the environmental impact statement. Isn't there an environmental impact statement that BOEM is supposed to sort of put out here in the next few weeks?
You're talking about the one for Vineyard, right?
Yes. Yes. Okay. Yes, I'm not I apologize. You probably have to ask Vineyard Wind about that.
Okay. But that doesn't have a read through for you or your offshore wind projects, right? I guess that's what my question was.
Well, certainly, all of the developers off the coast that we've been going through this cumulative impact study and looking at spacing of wind turbines and we came up with a 1 nautical mile by 1 nautical mile spacing. So certainly there could be components that come out in any decision for Vineyard Wind that you'd have to take a look at to see if it has any impacts to other developers including us. But in terms of what might be in that or the exact timing, I think Vineyard might have a better perspective of that.
Okay, perfect. That's all I had guys. Thank you so much.
All right. Thanks, Durgesh. Next question is from Jeremy from JPMorgan. Good morning, Jeremy.
Good morning. Thanks for having me. Just want to start off with what are the benefits of looping Con Ed into the proposed Sunrise Wind 2 RFP here? Eversource has experience with building transmission, very curious what additional competitive advantages Con Ed provides here to this specific project. Can you provide details on potential ownership interest for each entity and does ownership interest change once construction is complete and the project is in service?
Thanks for your question, Jeremy. Hope you're doing well. I guess I would say on the first part of the question, sort of obviously Con Ed has local knowledge of New York in their service territory and the network and the operation of the transmission and delivery system that are valuable to any party if you're operating in New York. So I'd say they bring a knowledge and skill set of the area that certainly we don't have as depth a knowledge as they would. So there's certain skill sets there that a local player would bring.
So in terms of what the components of a relationship would be, those things are all to be discussed as we move through, but it certainly beneficial I think to the project to have somebody with Con Ed skill sets involved.
Got it. And as far as potential ownership in trust, is there any kind of thoughts on how that could develop?
Not at this time, no.
Got it. And then will the delay in offshore wind permitting have any impact on the current financing plans? Is it fair to assume the $700,000,000 of equity in your current 5 year plan moves to the back end here? And how is offshore wind CapEx spending tracked year to date versus the $300,000,000 to $400,000,000 range that you expected?
We haven't disclosed a range that we've expected. We've talked about how much we expected to spend this year, just for the year 2020. And it's tracking somewhat close to that, I'd say, it's probably a little bit under what we expected at this time. In terms of the financing, you're right that we announced a year ago this 2,000,000,000 dollars of equity need that would support the forecast and we issued 1.3 of that. So there's 700,000,000 dollars remaining that and I would say the same thing as I've said all along is we'd be opportunistic and consider what our capital forecasts are and what the market conditions are as we look to fulfill the rest of that offering that we discussed.
Got it. That's helpful. I'll leave it there. Thank you.
Thanks, Jeremy. Next question is from Paul Patterson from Glenrock. Good morning, Paul.
Good morning, guys. Good morning, Paul.
I just wanted to follow-up on the draft decision in Connecticut on Monday and what your thoughts were on it? If it were in fact to become a final order, what the potential impact could be?
Are you talking about the draft information on rates or what can you be more specific?
Sure. There was a draft decision on Monday in the PURA case associated with the rates, right? The rate review that was reversed that proceeding, I can tell you the specific name.
No, that's okay. I just wanted to be specific because as somebody else mentioned, there's been a number of different
Yes, major a lot.
So this so as you recall, the PURA suspended the rates that we had implemented over the summer, both we and UI to take an additional look. I think this is what you're referring to. So we did receive the draft order and really it's kind of hot off the press. We're currently evaluating that and we're going to see what comments we might have and comments on the draft could do. I think it's the 12th November, so we have some time to flush out anything.
But it's consistent with on first blush, I'd say, it's consistent with PURA's desire to have some rate changes, instead of implementing rates at peak times of usage, maybe such as July, implement the month, change the timing of it to implement it maybe in a shoulder month like May or something and move to annual reconciliations as opposed to semi annual. So this would if there's delays, this could have effectively, this is a cash flow item and it could have an impact on our deferrals that we have in place there. But I think it generally is consistent with the desire, as we said, to move off of these peak periods for making rate changes in the shoulder periods and see what we've got from there. But we're actively reviewing that last night and today and we will be and have any comments that we would have with you, as I said, on 12.
Okay. There was one part of it that would reduce the carrying charges from the from WACC to a prime rate on a variety of reconciliation mechanisms. Is there any do we have any I know this is all off the press and everything, but do we have any sort of forecast as to what the those reconciliation mechanisms like how much capital might be tied up in those?
No, that you did that is a point to the carrying cost at that prime, which is consistent in some other jurisdictions, I guess. So, no, it's not a significant item, but it's certainly one that PURA had put out there in the draft is to recover the deferred balances with a prime rate versus
a WACC.
Okay. And then just we don't know who the President is going to be it seems, but if there was a change in administration, do you think that could have or not have maybe a significant impact on the BOEM permitting process with respect to BOEM,
the BOEM, the Bureau of with BOEM, the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, that people are active. We're actively working. We're actively having Zoom meetings or Teams calls or whatever the video capabilities are that we're using. But we're actively working that and I can assure you that the people in the agencies are working full speed regardless of who's presidents or what the election results are. But certainly, it would be good to have the results of the election.
I think we've all as a country that the election results are something that we've all targeted out there. Wherever you fall on the political spectrum, it's good to have certainty as opposed to uncertainty. So I think we're all looking forward to what the final outcome is there so we can move forward.
Okay. Just for my clarity, the process of the BOEM is pretty much the agency that the sort of the bureaucratic process that's going on. Really, you don't see a significant change one way or the other regardless of the outcome of the presidential election. Is that the am I right understanding that?
Yes. I'd say that the work at the agencies is going on. We've been meeting regularly, going through questions. We're working through the various state agencies. So, no, I'd say that the work is continuing at the as you say, the bureaucrat level.
Okay. Awesome. Thanks so much.
You're welcome. Thanks, Paul. Next question is from Mike Weinstein from Credit Suisse. Good morning, Mike.
Hey, good morning. Good morning, Phil.
Good morning, Mike.
Hi, good. I hope you're doing well. Maybe you
could just give a quick
two second update on what you think the ultimate FERC might be for transmission ROEs considering if the election outcome may has any effect on any of this accelerating an outcome?
Well, Mike, that's a very big crystal ball that you're asking. So, but again, thanks and I hope you're doing well. Thanks for your question. I wish I had a better answer than to say that it's working its way through. We don't really have a specific clarity as to when FERC might come up with something on the New England for pending New England cases and certainly impact of the election one way or the other, what that could have in terms of commissioners and that type of thing.
So the only thing I know for certain is we're booking at our 10.57 rate reserving to that level and 11.74 cap. And we'll just have to wait and see what the final outcome will look at. But I don't really have an answer. I know in years past when I tried to think that one was coming or it was going a certain way, it really hasn't materialized. So I think it's best to wait for the final order comes out at this point.
I'll order as it may be.
Right. And bigger crystal ball question would be, I know that Hydro Quebec has a pretty big long term construction plan for hydro generation up there. And I know that their long term plans included lots and lots of Northern Pass type transmission lines. Do you think there's ever a time at some point where there might be another whack or another go at transmission at some point, big transmission project?
I think a lot of that is dependent upon what the states want to get, right? So these are going to be processes now that driven by states' clean energy policies and the states' desire to have either offshore wind or solar or hydro in the mix. So there are certainly a lot of activity at the states now. I mean the states in our area all want aggressive carbon reduction targets. So it wouldn't be out of the question to see a state want contract for more of that, but there's nothing planned on our end.
There's nothing that I see at this stage on the state's agenda that would say that. But when you say the word ever, that's a long time.
So it seems like the offshore wind program really has kind of supplanted that at least for the time being?
Yes, I'd say that's a good way of looking at it.
Okay, great. Thank you very much.
Thanks, Mike. Our next question is from Insoo Kim from Goldman Sachs. Good morning, Insoo.
Good morning, guys. My only question is and apologies if I missed this, but could you give just an update on the Connecticut grid mod filings and any updates on expected decisions from the commission and timing of investments, etcetera?
Thanks for your question, Sue, and I hope you and your family are doing well. You didn't miss it. I mentioned in terms of what items could be additive to our 5% to 7% core business growth rate. I alluded to grid mod in Connecticut or New Hampshire or potentially additional AMI dockets in Massachusetts. But there's really been no change.
All the parties filed comments and plans back in July. And certainly you can understand there's been a lot going on and I think I may have said Isaias was in October, but we all know that Isaias was in August. So since August, there's been a lot of there's been a lot of focus on storms and there's been a lot of dockets. And as somebody else mentioned, we have dockets going on in terms of moratoriums and whatnot. So the expectation was there was going to be another sort of go around and another process in Connecticut towards the end of the year.
I really haven't seen anything that would indicate a specific schedule on that. So I guess our best guess is still it's still in the pipeline and you may see more activity on grid mod there in Connecticut as we move over the next several months. But in terms of it being in our forecast, I want to be clear that there is currently no zero, there's no grid mod spending in our capital forecast for any grid mod programs that haven't been approved like in Connecticut or New Hampshire. So once they are approved and once we see what our role would be in them and once we see what that looks like, then we have more confidence in putting it in the plan. So that could be something we have information on by the time we get to the February update.
So we'll have to stay tuned on that.
That makes sense. That's all I had. Thank you guys and stay safe.
All right. You too.
Thanks, Insoo. Next question is from David Arcaro from Morgan Stanley. Good morning, David.
Good morning. Hi, Jeff. Hi, Phil. Thanks so much for taking my questions.
Thanks, Steve. Had a quick
follow-up on offshore wind. In light of some of the recent delays, I was wondering if that changes how you're strategizing around other bids that you're putting into future RFPs like baking in more contingency, anything that might give a greater level of comfort around the economics of future projects that you might win?
Thank you, Dave, for your comment and I hope you and your family are doing well. Certainly, every piece of information that you get and this isn't just offshore wind, this is on all our our business, but I'll focus on offshore wind since that's the question. Every month that goes by, every quarter that goes by, we gain more insight and information about construction, about rates, about lots of factors. If all of those things, all of those things are factored into subsequent bids. So the information that we have available to us as we're moving into a bid, a recent bid in New York is different than we had from bids that we made in Rhode Island or Connecticut or Massachusetts.
So every data point is important to us and we factor that into the next bid. So I'd say that absolutely that schedules and how you make it through the siting process and all of that informs subsequent bids. And so I can assure you that all those things get up to the minute attention before bid goes in.
Okay, got it. That's helpful. And I just wanted to touch on just O and M costs and the O and M budget. Could you remind us how you see that trajectory just for the overall business going forward? You've got a great track record of controlling O and M.
So what are the key levers in your tool belt, Phil, that you would focus on going forward for managing O and M?
Certainly, we've got people, process and technology, right? So all those things are levers to help our capital program as well as our operating program. So, we continue to implement systems and technology that improves processes that makes it more efficient and effective workforce. So we have still a robust, I'd say, series of technology improvements. If you I'll start off by just setting the space.
In the guidance we gave, we said that we expected O and M costs to be down this year and then just for the forecast period kind of flat going forward. So how are we able to do that? It is by some of these technology changes and we've been implementing more productivity management tools and tools for our individual line workers and gas fitters in the field to get their work to update their work that we can then take that and automatically update drawings and files. We don't need to hand it off to somebody. So there's still these productivity technology changes that are happening, some within last year and some going in this year and more planned for next.
So that will be, I'd say, the lever of the underpinning for us to have the ability to continue to improve processes and take unneeded costs out of the business.
Okay, great. That's helpful. Thanks so much for the color.
You're welcome. Thank you, David. Next question is from Travis Miller from Morningstar. Good morning, Travis.
Good morning. Thank you. Hey, guys. A quick clarification on the storm cost, that $275,000,000 number if I heard you correctly. How much did you expense in the quarter?
And how much was either deferred or capitalized or will be pending that the regulatory filing that
you mentioned? Sure. That amount that you repeated was a deferred that's how much of storm costs that we deferred in both tropical storm Isaias and that was across all states, but primarily in Connecticut. So that's our deferral. That would be once the
storm gets to a
deferral. So we that all is deferred storm cost right now. In terms of there are other storms. Certainly, we had an active quarter for storms in general, but there are other storms other than Isaias that did impact the quarter. I mean, our storm costs were up about $10,000,000 for the quarter that went through our O and M.
So for the quarter, it's at that level and then the $274,000,000 or $5,000,000 that you mentioned is deferred across the system.
Okay, great. That's very helpful. Thank you. And then a quick follow-up to the discussion And then a quick follow-up to the discussion on the Connecticut legislation. There's some language in there.
As I understood, it's about the general assembly having some review power there. What's your thought in terms of the scope of what the general assembly separate from PURA could do in terms of either taking back some earnings or rate changes, stuff like that, separate from what's going on in the PURA?
Well, certainly the General Assembly can enact legislation that it feels is appropriate in any matter. So I do think specifically to the energy legislation that was enacted recently in Connecticut that most things all were for the most part moved to PURA, so the regulator. So I guess I'd look at it as the legislation would provide the intent, the framework, the direction and then PURA is the one who's going to be implementing. They're going to be the ones who evaluate the performance based rates. They'll be the ones who initiate the storm standards and things like that and look at should there be penalties or should there be food penalties and things like that.
So I think that effectively the general assembly can certainly enact any and all legislation, it feels it should. And the way that this legislation seems to have turned out was that any implementation of that legislation is in the hands of PURA.
Okay. So the potential for any other risk for any kind of clawbacks would likely go through PURA instead of going through the general assembly based on that Connecticut legislation that you talked about?
Yes, as I say, the PURA, the dockets are active in will be active over certain time dates that the legislation has given PURA. So we'd expect that PURA will have the pen on this. But again, as I say, legislation can always be enacted in any area.
Yes. Okay, great. Appreciate.
All right. Thank you, Travis. Next question is from Andrew Weisel from Scotia. Good morning, Andrew.
Hey, good morning. Thanks for squeezing me in. First question is, with the 2 rate cases now completed, can you remind us which subsidiaries might be next to file general rate cases? You have plenty of regulatory items, of course, with grid mod and other initiatives, but for general rate cases? Well, according to the requirements in Connecticut, Connecticut could be an area that is required to file by the existing framework that's there.
And that would be something that would be sort of a next year sort of event. But other than that, we're pretty much out of the regulatory arena. Okay, great. Then on offshore winds, can you just thinking sorry, can you share your latest thinking on how big you're willing to let that business get? You've talked a lot about the opportunities that you're pursuing beyond the 3 existing projects.
Any thinking as far as from an earnings mix perspective, if there's a limitation or would you will you plan to just bid, bid, bid and get as many projects as your leases will support? Well, I want to be clear on this because I think it's a very important point that, bid, bid, bid isn't our strategy. Our strategy is to have a financial discipline So just by winning a bid, that's a So just by winning a bid, doesn't do what it has to be. We have to and we continue to maintain financial discipline in terms of the amounts that we did and the returns that we're looking for. So as long as the returns are at an appropriate level for that business, it makes sense to make the bid, win the bid and expand the business there.
What we've said is our tracks, what we own off the coast of or what we have access to in terms of lease areas, we could do about 4,000 at least 4,000 megawatts of offshore wind. So there's kind of a that's the maximum capability that we have. So it's not an infinite growth type of thing. And we had indicated that when leases were available that are not in our region that we were not interested in them. So leases in our region like the ones we're involved in are good, but other lease areas that's not for us in other parts of the Mid Atlantic, etcetera.
So it's a we're constrained by the lease area and we're guided by the financial discipline to on our bids and our returns. Got it. That's really helpful. I guess I should have said bid, bid, bid responsibly. Thanks a lot, guys.
Thanks, Dana. I hope you stay well on your day.
All right. Andrew, thank you very much. That sort of wraps up today. If you have any follow-up questions, please give us a call or send us an e mail, and we look forward to speaking and seeing many of you during the virtual EEI conference next week.
And thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating, and you may now disconnect.
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