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Earnings Call: Q4 2018

Jul 25, 2018

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Terry, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Ethan Allen Earnings Release Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star, then the number 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press the pound key. Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Corey Whitely, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Ethan Allen. Sir, you may begin.

Corey Whitely
EVP and CFO, Ethan Allen

Thank you, Terry. Good afternoon, and welcome to Ethan Allen's conference call for our full fiscal year and fourth quarter ended June 30th, 2018. This conference call is being recorded and webcast live on ethanallen.com, where you will also find our press release, which contains supporting details, including reconciliations of non-GAAP information referred to in the release and on this call. As a reminder, our comments today will include forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results to differ materially. Please refer to our SEC filings for a complete review of those risks. The company assumes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking matters discussed during this call. After our Chairman and CEO, Farooq Kathwari, provides his opening remarks, I will follow with some details on the financial results.

Farooq will then provide further updates on our ongoing business initiatives before opening up the telephone lines for questions. With that, here is Farooq Kathwari.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Thank you, Corey. As we mentioned in our press release, we are well positioned to grow our sales and earnings. In fiscal 2018, we accelerated our focus on many initiatives, including strengthening our leadership in our vertically integrated business, undertaking major product innovation, continuing our retail transformation, and increasing spending in advertising, which reduced our EPS by about $0.09 over the third and fourth quarters. We also made infrastructure investments. We incorporated all of these efforts under the umbrella of a socially responsible approach to business. After Corey provides a brief overview of our financials, I will discuss our initiatives in greater detail. Corey?

Corey Whitely
EVP and CFO, Ethan Allen

Thank you, Farooq. Consolidated net sales for the fourth quarter increased 5.5% to $205.6 million and increased 0.4% for the full fiscal year. Our manufacturing production levels further increased during the quarter, which helped drive the 11.4% increase in wholesale sales and the 1.9% increase in retail sales. The wholesale increase reflected strong international shipments, which increased 8.7%, and increased shipments to our retail network. With our strengthened manufacturing capacity and production levels in place, our retail order backlogs are caught up and back to normalized levels. GSA government contract orders continued strong during the quarter, and for the full fiscal year, GSA orders totaled $24 million. Our consolidated gross margin for the quarter was 54.1%, primarily reflecting the 75.9% mix of retail sales as a percent of consolidated sales.

We expect our retail mix will stay in the 75%-76% range for fiscal 2019 as our wholesale business continues to benefit from strong contract and international sales. We continue to monitor the potential impact on gross margins related to current or potential tariffs. We currently make approximately 75% of what we sell in our North American workshops, and about 50% is produced in the U.S. The balance of our product assortment is sourced throughout the world. Approximately 6% of our consolidated sales represent products sourced from China. In regards to Canada, some of our upholstery products that we export to Canada became subject to a 10% surtax that went into effect July 1st. We expect this will have a minor impact to our retail margins. Our fourth quarter adjusted operating expenses were $95 million, an increase of 5.8%.

The increase was primarily driven by our advertising expense, which increased 15.8% during the quarter as we continued our brand-building campaign, which started in Q3. Our full fiscal year advertising was $43.3 million, an increase of 9%. For the quarter, the adjusted operating margin was 7.9%, adjusted net income of $11.6 million with adjusted EPS of $0.43. For the full fiscal year, adjusted EPS was $1.35. Turning to the balance sheet, we generated $42.5 million of cash from operating activities during the fiscal year, and returned it to shareholders through the repayment of $29.5 million in dividends, a 47.3% increase, and repurchased $22 million worth of the company's stock. We ended the year with cash and securities of $22.4 million and had no debt outstanding under our credit facility.

Our capital expenditures for the fiscal year were $18.8 million, and we expect about $20 million in capital expenditures for fiscal 2019. Our effective tax rate was 29% for the fourth quarter and 25.9% for the full fiscal year as a result of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. We expect our effective rate for the 2019 fiscal year will be in the range of 24.5%-25.5%. With that, I will turn it back over to Farooq.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Thank you, Corey. Our many initiatives in 2018 should help us grow sales and profitability in fiscal 2019. They include strengthening our leadership in all areas, particularly in marketing, manufacturing, logistics, and the retail network. We have continued to reposition our interior design network of 200 design centers in North America and about 100 internationally. 20% of our design centers have been relocated within five years, and 69% within the past 15 years. During the past year, we opened several new design centers and relocated others in key markets, including the Buckhead area of Atlanta, downtown Chicago, and Calgary in Alberta, Canada. Design centers in Albany, New York, Denver, Colorado, and Rancho Mirage, California are currently under construction. New design centers in China, Taipei, Bangkok, the Philippines, and Cambodia are among our 110 international design centers.

We have continued to refresh our products with an attitude that is modern but classic. In the three years from fall 2015 to fall 2018, we will have revitalized about 70% of our product line. In fiscal 2018, we expanded our marketing initiatives. In the second and third quarters, we spent more than $15 million on national television. While the message helped our brand, it lacked the urgency to build traffic. Hindsight is 2020. We should not have invested as heavily in national television at the expense of other mediums. Starting this quarter, we are returning to a balanced advertising menu that will include direct mail, print, and digital initiatives. Our digital marketing gains momentum and reach via a refreshed website, email blasts, banner ads, and live chat, which combines technology with personal service. With more than 600 of our most enthusiastic interior designers participating.

We have also introduced Ethan Allen inHome, an augmented reality app that lets clients see Ethan Allen products in their homes, and an all-new 3D Room Planner designed specifically for us, which our designers are using to enhance customer experience. We continue to invest in our infrastructure in manufacturing and logistics at the wholesale and retail levels. We operate eight manufacturing plants and two major national distribution centers. 29 service centers are operated by the company retail division. We continue to have a strong environmental and social governance program. Respect for our associates, the law, and the land is fundamental to our business and guides many important decisions. Now, I'm pleased to open the call for questions and comments.

Operator

At this time, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. We'll pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Budd Bugatch with Raymond James.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

Good afternoon, Farooq. Good afternoon, Corey. I guess the number.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Hello, Budd. How are you?

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

I'm sorry, say again?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

I said, how are you?

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

I'm okay. Thank you very much for asking. I hope you are as well.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Thank you.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

The number that strikes me and just hits me in the face is the comparable and total written orders at retail. I don't understand how those jive with what you say is you're being well-positioned for growth in the upcoming year-end quarters. Please help me connect those dots because those are big numbers, being down 11.4% and 10.8% in the quarter.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Yes, Budd, that is a big number, that is a reason, as I said, that in our third and the fourth quarters, we did spend a lot of money on national television. As I said, the impact of it has been good for our brand, but it lacked the urgency to bring traffic, and our traffic was down, resulting in this lower traffic. Now, the good news is, we started back in June in terms of a more balanced and a very strong balanced advertising program this quarter. We expect that, yes, we have to make up the difference that you say, but we have an opportunity of making it up with a much stronger balanced advertising program that we have started now, and in fact, slightly spending less money.

We believe that we have an opportunity to get more traffic, and that should help us rebuild the written sales.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

Are we starting to see that now? It started in June. I don't know if you started early June or late June to do that, but we're now at least much through July. What can you tell us about the impact so far?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

It's a little bit early in the sense that, as you know, we do most of our business, a lot of our business comes in the last few days of July. So far, the prospects look better, they look stronger, and we are looking for a stronger August and September. Of course, time will tell, but I think we are getting positive news. That's why I say that we are back. Hindsight is 20/20. We shouldn't have spent as much as we did on that TV campaign. People liked it, but it did not create urgency. We were back to a more balanced advertising program, and I think we are already seeing some benefits of it in July, but we'll see a lot more in August and September, and going forward, too.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay. You talk about increased backlogs. Can you kind of parse the backlog for us as to how much of that is backlog associated with the GSA or with the State Department program, and how much is associated with normal business from dealers or from others?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Well, Corey can give you more details. However, at this stage, we are talking about a major backlog, as I said, is in the wholesale side. That, to a great degree, represents business from the contract, which is GSA and international.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay. Two last questions from me. One's kind of a housekeeping question. Can you give us actually the advertising dollars spent in the quarter? You said, I think $15 million. I think 15% above what I had got me to about $13.5 million in the quarter. I obviously don't have a number right somewhere.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Yeah. Go ahead, Corey.

Corey Whitely
EVP and CFO, Ethan Allen

Yeah. The advertising in the quarter was $13.5 million.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

It was $13.5 million. Okay, that is right.

Corey Whitely
EVP and CFO, Ethan Allen

Yeah.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

You closed 10 design centers, I think internationally. Where were they closed?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Budd, a lot of those were small studios that had been experimenting in Germany, most of them were in Germany.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

I see. Okay.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Also, we talk of advertising, Budd. As Corey mentioned, we spent $13.5 million as against $11.7 million in the previous year. Keep in mind also, in the first quarter of last fiscal, this is what we're going to compare it with this, we spent $7.4 million.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

Right.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

We have the $13.5 million, now we spent $7.4 million in the first quarter of last year.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

Do you think you're gonna spend that much in the first quarter of this year again, or is it gonna be less than the $7.4 million?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

No, it's gonna be about that level. It's not gonna be much less than what we were running in the third and the fourth quarter.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

Not less than what you ran last year in the first?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

No, I don't think so.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay. Thank you for

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

All right, Budd.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jeremy Hamblin with Dougherty & Company.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Yeah. Hello, Jeremy.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Dougherty & Company

Hi, good evening, guys. I want to just come back to the advertising for a second. I think I had like $9.8 million that you spent in Q1 of 2018. Corey, can you confirm?

Corey Whitely
EVP and CFO, Ethan Allen

No, that's Q1 of 2018, no.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Dougherty & Company

Wasn't 5.4% of sales?

Corey Whitely
EVP and CFO, Ethan Allen

It was 7.4.1% of sales.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Dougherty & Company

Okay. I'm sorry, the number that you're expecting now for this year is gonna be? Or the range?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Corey, I mean, it's approximately the same range, Jeremy.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Dougherty & Company

Maybe seven and a half million, $8 million. Just in terms of thinking about how to drive your orders. You weren't happy with the results from national TV, which was expensive, excuse me, and not that effective. You're going to go back to more digital spend. You're going to go back to more targeted spending. I think you used the word balanced. In terms of, is there other things that you think you need to do to really drive sales and written order traction? Do you need to crank out more new products? It seems to be that when you have products that resonate, that's been when you've seen an acceleration in orders.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Yes. In terms of our advertising, we have the balance. What we did was when we spent as much as we did on national television, Jeremy, we did not spend much, or we spent much less on direct mail, and we could see the difference. Our customers, not receiving our direct mail, again, hindsight is 20/20. We could see the difference. We could see the fact of not sending our direct mail to prospects. We immediately went back, and that's what we did some in June, but we are doing it more aggressively in July, August, September, and going forward. In September, we will be introducing our newest product line, which is under that umbrella of Artisans, but it's more than that. This is a very strong product program that will be getting into our design centers next month.

We start our marketing in September with a very strong marketing program, including a 116-page direct mail, beautifully done. It shows the new Ethan Allen, more eclectic, it's more modern and classic, and that will be sent out in September and October, and also with strong digital advertising to go with it.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Dougherty & Company

Okay, thanks. Turning to your gross margins, I believe that there was a comment Corey made that your retail mix of business, you expect it to continue to be a little bit lower because of the strength of the GSA contract, among others. I think you said 75%-76%. Now, when you've been seeing sales down at those levels, your gross margins have been more in the, let's call it 53.5%-54.5% range. Is that kind of what we should be expecting in 2019, Corey?

Corey Whitely
EVP and CFO, Ethan Allen

What we'll see this year is a little bit of a benefit in that our manufacturing has gotten through all that first production challenges of making that new product for the State Department. We'll have a little bit of a gain on the efficiency side. That 54.5% is still probably the neighborhood of where we'll see the margins, 54%-54.5%.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Jeremy, if you take a look at our third quarter, this fiscal 2018, we had a 53.3% gross margin, and we ended up the fourth quarter with 54.1%. Despite the fact that we did have a strong presence in shipments for our State Department, as well as internationally, because when the overall retail division sales and the percentage of the total are lower, that does impact the gross margin. Despite that, as Corey said, our improvements in our manufacturing in the fourth quarter reflected in 54.1% gross margin from a 53.3% in the previous quarter. That range, approximately, is something that we should be looking at.

Corey Whitely
EVP and CFO, Ethan Allen

Also in the fourth quarter, Jeremy, we didn't get the full benefit of the price increase that we took in April. It took a little while to work that through the system.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Dougherty & Company

Did that have any negative impact on your orders, the price increase?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

No.

Corey Whitely
EVP and CFO, Ethan Allen

No.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Dougherty & Company

Do you think it-

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Not really. Even though Corey talks of a price increase, the fact is, Jeremy, as you know, on one hand, we take price increases. On the other hand, we do give even much better values and sales to the customers. The net-net, our products are not more expensive or higher priced. I think at the best, we sort of come close to breaking even.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Dougherty & Company

Okay, fair enough. As I look ahead at your SG&A, clearly, you're expressing some regret on the ineffectiveness of the advertising, the additional dollars spent, that was certainly a decent chunk of your overall increase for the year. I think it was about $6 million or $5.5 million, $6 million of incremental SG&A spent. You look at your business now, it's hard to project any significant kinds of sales acceleration. Do you feel comfortable with the level of SG&A spend? Do you think that there is a need to maybe tighten that down a little bit? Are there opportunities to tighten that down? Any comment?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Well, Jeremy, we always look. Every year, all our budgets are based on a zero-based budget. Always. We take a look at what we need to do. The last quarter four, we spent $95 million. Our SG&A was $95 million. Again, you're right, advertising increased it. In the first quarter of last fiscal year, our SG&A was $88 million. This was a fairly important increase that took place. I think that if you take a look at between $90 million and $95 million, somewhere we have that opportunity.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Dougherty & Company

Okay. Nothing meaningful.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

A little to 90.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Dougherty & Company

Nothing meaningful.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

With the reduction of advertising. Yep.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Dougherty & Company

Okay. Fair enough. I just wanted to clarify, Corey, did you say the tax rate to expect for next year, was it 23.5%-25%? Is that the number you said?

Corey Whitely
EVP and CFO, Ethan Allen

24.5%-25.5%.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Dougherty & Company

24.5%. Great. Thanks for taking the questions. I'll hop back in the queue.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

All right, Jeremy. Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Cristina Fernández with Keefe, Bruyette & Woods.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Hi, Cristina.

Cristina Fernández
Analyst, Telsey Advisory Group

Hi. Good afternoon. Following up on Jeremy's question, with all the puts and takes, is your expectation that the operating margin would be flattish for fiscal year 2019, or could you see some expansion, and where would that come from?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

If we take a look at our fiscal 2018, our operating margins, excluding any special items, was 6.5%. In the last, for the fourth quarter, it was 7.9%. I would say that we already made improvements in terms of taking it to almost 8%. I would say that the opportunity, of course, we have a tremendous leverage. When sales increase, we have an operating leverage at all levels, from retail to manufacturing. We have an opportunity within 8.5%, around 8% or so is an opportunity that we have.

Cristina Fernández
Analyst, Telsey Advisory Group

Just going back to the sales and how the quarter progressed, you stayed high on promotions with a fair amount of free delivery offers. How is the customer responding to those? Also, can you talk about the reception to the Uptown collection that was launched in May?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Well, first, Uptown has been extremely well-received all across the country. Will continue. The Passport has also been well-received, which was done before that, I believe that the reaction by our own teams to the new Artisan has been extremely strong, we're going to start getting it into our design centers next month. As I said, September, we start launching a major advertising campaign nationally, a lot in direct mail and digital. As far as the question was on

Cristina Fernández
Analyst, Telsey Advisory Group

Yeah, on the promotions,

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Promotions.

Cristina Fernández
Analyst, Telsey Advisory Group

You're doing.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

It's hard to tell from time to time, For instance, we just gave, about two weeks back, we had a four-day special celebration. Basically, it was like Prime Day with no delivery. It does. It does help. What it does to help in the sense is, it takes people who are holding back, perhaps they would close in the end of the month or next month, it helps them close. That's what happened. We want to use it very selectively, because once you give it out or make it available all the time, then it loses its effectiveness.

Cristina Fernández
Analyst, Telsey Advisory Group

One last one. The inventory was up about thirteen and a half million year-over-year, you talked on the press release about supporting the backlog and an expanded stocking program. Can you clarify what that's about?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Well, the inventory was up again, yes. First, with this, the GSA created an inventory increase both at the manufacturing level and in the finished goods. Good news is we have to consolidate it, we have to keep it in our distribution centers. Half of that increase really reflected the increase of the State Department contract. Now, as we move forward, our objective is to have somewhat lower inventory than what you see.

Cristina Fernández
Analyst, Telsey Advisory Group

Thank you.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

All right.

Operator

Once again, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of Justin Bergner with Gabelli Group.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Hello, Justin.

Justin Bergner
Analyst, Gabelli Group

Good afternoon, Farooq. Good afternoon, Corey.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Justin.

Justin Bergner
Analyst, Gabelli Group

My first question just relates to the various partnerships that you have in progress. As we look sort of on a go-forward basis, is the $15 million run rate for Disney still meaningful? Are other partnerships, like selling through Amazon, some of your hotel deals or real estate agency deals, are those contributing meaningfully or does it sort of drop down materially after that $15 million or so from Disney?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

No, it's a good question. Our main, of course, major has been the State Department contract.

The second is our contract and programs that we are launching, something like the Margaritaville program that we have in Orlando, where we are furnishing 1,100, about 1,000 homes and a hotel. Those are important components of our outside business. Third one is we have a good increase in our international business. International business, our GSA business, our contract business. The Disney, we have started getting some good business on contract for Disney. The Disney product line that we introduced is holding up a little bit lower than the numbers that you have mentioned. It has not grown up significantly. Our Amazon business also is about the same as last year, and in both cases, we have really not given it a tremendous amount of advertising push.

Justin Bergner
Analyst, Gabelli Group

Okay. Should I assume then that, just the sequence of relationships you mentioned, that after Disney, it drops off pretty materially, or is the Amazon contribution material at this point?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

No, I think the material one, as I said, is the government.

Other contract, hotel business. No, in fact, the first is international.

Second is, especially China. The second is the State Department contract with the GSA, third is our other contract business like Margaritaville and even in Disney.

Justin Bergner
Analyst, Gabelli Group

In the State Department contract, how did the orders of $24 million, I think, compare to the revenue? Sort of now that operation is running a little bit more smoothly. What uptick to margin can we expect from a smooth GSA operation?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Justin, this is done on a competitive bidding. This is almost like eBay. To get this contract, we really have to be very, very aggressive, which we have been. That does have an impact on margins. It has a double impact on margins because most of this product, to win, we had to be very competitive. Second, we had to make this product in our plants the first time, so it affected the plant margins. As Corey said, in the fourth quarter, our plant margins went up, our overall gross margins went up, and we have now in the process of, we've gotten it through the system, and it is going to make positive contributions. As I said, we have $24 million, it's very competitively bid.

Justin Bergner
Analyst, Gabelli Group

Okay. Is the fourth quarter then representative of normal operating conditions with the exception of sort of the seasonality that tends to make fourth quarter higher revenue quarter?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Yeah. I would say that if you are looking from a gross margin and operating margin level, more or less, I think those are numbers that you can utilize.

Justin Bergner
Analyst, Gabelli Group

Okay. Finally, this is sort of an open-ended question/comment. Given the difficulty in the retail environment with sort of the consumer dollar seemingly moving a little bit away from the furniture category versus prior years, are there sort of out-of-the-box things that Ethan Allen can consider, partnerships, mergers, above and beyond sort of out-of-the-box organic initiatives? Are there things that you're thinking about maybe you haven't discussed that fit that bill that might be able to sort of take the company out of some of this trap that we're seeing in the retail and furniture space?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Justin, we are always looking at options, and we're always open to options because we all must. Yes, you are right. In the retail, there has been so much of change that has taken place in retail at all levels. We have a great opportunity of leveraging what we have done. We do need, as you see even in our fourth quarter, that we did have an increase in sales. We had an increase in gross margins. Our operating margins were good, but they could have been much, much better if we didn't have these big advertising expenditures that we have. We are positioned well, and our leverage is that we need to increase the top line. We have to increase our written sales, not go down as we did last quarter.

We have that opportunity, and our biggest opportunity is taking the retail network of 200 design centers and leveraging that and doing more business. Having said this, we are always looking at opportunities that will be consistent with our business, with our philosophy, and all of that we're always open to look at.

Justin Bergner
Analyst, Gabelli Group

Thank you for that perspective.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

All right, Justin.

Operator

We do have a follow-up question from the line of Budd Bugatch with Raymond James.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Yeah. Hi, Budd.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

I've got a few more questions.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Yeah.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

You talked about the fact that the state and GSA was a $24 million number for the year. If I remember, the State Department contract, it's like about $60 million a year. If that's true, because it was a $300 million five-year contract, did they underspend on that, or was your penetration around 40% of the government spending?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

It's a good question, Bud. I'll tell you, it did start with $60 million, but that was when it was not on a competitive bid. When they put it on a competitive bid, the government really benefited because that reduced it by a certain amount. The second is possible, that the State Department, as the rest of the government, is spending less money this year than they did in the past. From information we have, we got a very substantial portion of the orders. Yes, of course, most of the orders do come at the end of the fiscal year, which is going to be October of this year. Just in the last six weeks or so, the government does give fairly large orders, and we will see whether it happens.

A lot of this, the $60 million, was impacted by this competitive bidding and the discounts everybody were giving.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

How much was the state or the government business during the fourth quarter? What percentage? What was the number of the business of the $24 million? How much was in the fourth quarter?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Corey, maybe you want to take a look at it and maybe get that to Bud. I don't have it here, Bud. Corey will look at it, we'll see how much of information we can give this out. Even I'm surprised that Corey gave this number out of $24 million. Normally, we don't say, he had already said it that we have that.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

It's hard to put that.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

We'll take a look at it.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

Hard to put that toothpaste back in the tube, I guess.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

I know. I know.

Corey Whitely
EVP and CFO, Ethan Allen

Yeah. I thought since it was our first year, I'd give you just an idea.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Yeah, he used the toothpaste. Okay.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

The next question I have is, do you expect that retail sales-- I think the comparable retail sales, delivered retail sales for the quarter was 2.3%, if I did the math right. When you gave the comparable numbers, do you expect retail to be up in the first quarter? It doesn't look like with a negative order number that you can do that. It would be a yeoman recovery, I don't think you would see up retail revenues in quarter one. Is that a fair commentary?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Budd, it is fair. It also depends upon our July business, our August business, because today one of the other things that we have done, which is positive and also it's challenging, we have reduced our delivery times, which creates an opportunity for us to deliver faster. On the negative side, it also creates an issue in our manufacturing in running it on a consistent basis. A few years back, when we delivered our products in 12 or 14 weeks, our manufacturing was always running consistently. Now, when we do it the way we are doing and orders don't come consistently, we have to reduce our work in our manufacturing. A lot of factors have to be taken into account, but it is going to be somewhat of a challenge this quarter.

We are looking forward to July and August to see how much we are able to make up.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

Well, nothing happens bad by running the business on a more efficient way. I think that's in all positive. We have a job to do to try to come up with estimates, and we want them to have rational bases. I'm trying to make sure that at least.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Your comments are fair, that I think that, as I said, and I know that you had also looked at that advertising, and you're a smart fellow. You had given me your comments in, what was it, March or so. This, beautifully done, very well received by all our network. We got standing ovation, there was something missing, which was it did not drive traffic. We have changed it. We've seen the impact of it. I would take what happened in our third and fourth quarter, somewhat extraordinary. We are going to be back to where we need to be, we got to build the business, as you rightly said. I believe that we'll be able to do a fair amount of it. Now, can we deliver it in the quarter?

That will be somewhat of a challenge because as you also saw, that we have caught up in the deliveries on the retail side.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay. My last question is, when will the 10-K issue?

Corey Whitely
EVP and CFO, Ethan Allen

Expected in the next week or so.

Budd Bugatch
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay. Thank you very much.

Corey Whitely
EVP and CFO, Ethan Allen

Yeah.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Okay. Thank you, Budd.

Operator

You have a follow-up question from the line of Justin Bergner with Gabelli Group.

Justin Bergner
Analyst, Gabelli Group

Thanks again. The 6% that you import from China, will that be subject to tariffs such that you'll have a leg up on competitors that import more from China?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

One of our competitive advantage is the fact that we manufacture 75% of our products in North America ourselves. It's a challenge also. Challenge is that if we are not keeping them busy, we have an impact on margins. It's positive when we have leverage. It's also negative when we are not keeping our manufacturing busy, if we are buying products from overseas, and we don't have to worry about manufacturing and variances and all that stuff. Having said all of this, we do have an advantage relative to folks who are buying a lot of product from, at this stage, it is China, but as you know, product doesn't just come from China also, it comes from Vietnam. It's come from other countries as well. We do have an advantage from that perspective.

Justin Bergner
Analyst, Gabelli Group

Are tariffs actually in effect on that 6% or part of that 6%?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

No, it's not. I think this is something that is proposed and is going through some review, and then based on review, they will then make the final determination as I understand it.

Justin Bergner
Analyst, Gabelli Group

Okay. Got it. That's what I thought, but just wanted to clarify. There was a small adjustment, I think, in one of the segments in add back. What did that relate to? It was $200,000.

Corey Whitely
EVP and CFO, Ethan Allen

Yeah, that was related to costs associated with the purchase of assets in our retail.

Justin Bergner
Analyst, Gabelli Group

Okay. Great. Thanks again.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

All right. Thanks, Justin.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. Do you have any closing remarks?

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

No. Well, good. These are good questions. As you all folks said, we had a good quarter, in terms of deliveries, in terms of earnings. The challenge was the written. I do understand it. That's why we have been working hard to make sure we put into place programs that we can increase our written. That will help us use our operating leverage on the retail side as well as on the manufacturing side. We have that opportunity. Thank you for participating. Any other questions, please let us know.

Operator

Thank you for participating.

Farooq Kathwari
Chairman and CEO, Ethan Allen

Terry, thank you very much.

Operator

You're very welcome. Thank you for participating. This does conclude today's call. You may now disconnect.