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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Jan 31, 2023

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Edwards Lifesciences fourth quarter 2022 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during this conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to our host, Mark Wilterding, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer. Thank you. You may begin.

Mark Wilterding
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer, Edwards Lifesciences

Thank you very much, Diego. Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining us today. With me on today's call are Mike Mussallem, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Scott Ullem, our Chief Financial Officer. Also joining us for the Q&A portion of the call are Bernard Zovighian, President of Edwards Lifesciences, Larry Wood, our Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Daveen Chopra, our Global Leader of TMTT, and Katie Szyman, our Global Leader of Critical Care. Just after the close of regular trading, Edwards Lifesciences released fourth quarter 2022 financial results. During today's call, management will discuss those results included in the press release and the accompanying financial statements and then use the remaining time for Q&A. Please note that management will be making forward-looking statements that are based on estimates, assumptions, and projections.

These statements include, but aren't limited to, financial guidance and expectations for longer-term growth opportunities, regulatory approvals, clinical trials, litigation, reimbursement, competitive matters, and foreign currency fluctuations. These statements speak only as of the date on which they were made, and Edwards does not undertake any obligation to update them after today. Additionally, the statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Information concerning factors that could cause these differences and important product safety information may be found in the press release our 2021 annual report on Form 10-K and Edwards other SEC filings, all of which are available on the company's website at edwards.com. Finally, a quick reminder that when using the terms constant currency, underlying and adjusted, management is referring to non-GAAP financial measures. Otherwise, they're referring to GAAP results.

Reconciliations between GAAP and non-GAAP numbers mentioned during the call are included in today's press release. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Mike for his comments.

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

Thank you, Mark. During 2022, our company stayed focused on the long term, making meaningful progress on strategic milestones with the potential of transforming patient care. While the challenging environment negatively impacted sales, we still grew 8%. Looking forward, we remain optimistic that the healthcare environment will gradually improve, we expect 9%-12% sales growth in 2023. We didn't pull back on investing in innovation because of the pandemic, we didn't pull back because sales fell a little short. We continued to aggressively invest during this challenging period, which positions the company for sustained leadership in a new era of structural heart and critical care innovation. Looking back at 2022, in TAVR, we made important strides in executing our long-term strategy. We received approval and launched the innovative SAPIEN 3 Ultra RESILIA valve.

In TMTT, each of our platforms demonstrated promising clinical performance. We received approval for PASCAL Precision in the U.S. and Europe. In surgical structural heart, we extended our leadership position through the launch of MITRIS in the U.S. In critical care, we continued to drive adoption of our transformative smart recovery technologies. Although our initial sales expectations for 2022 anticipated a better environment, we delivered balanced contributions across each of our product groups and regions. We achieved 12% growth in adjusted earnings per share while maintaining R&D at more than 17% of sales, which reflects our commitment to driving durable organic sales growth. Consistent with our cash deployment strategy, we opportunistically repurchased stock at an accelerated level in 2022. We continued to invest in our production capacity in anticipation of future growth. We made a series of external investments in promising early-stage technologies.

Turning to our fourth quarter financial results. Consistent with our guidance, total company sales grew 7% on a constant currency basis to $1.3 billion. Our broad portfolio of innovative therapies drove this growth despite the healthcare disruptions in a number of our key geographies. In TAVR, full year 2022 global TAVR sales of $3.5 billion increased 7% on a constant currency basis, building on nearly 20% growth in the year ago period. Sales were below our original guidance of $3.7 billion-$4 billion due to foreign exchange headwinds and COVID-induced healthcare challenges in key countries. In 2022, we announced the approval of SAPIEN 3 Ultra RESILIA in the U.S.

Separately, we continued to advance enrollment in our PROGRESS pivotal trial for moderate AS patients and gained significant learnings from our ALLIANCE pivotal trial to study the next generation TAVR technology, SAPIEN X4. These transformative developments reinforce our long-term confidence in the strong growth of transcatheter-based aortic valve interventions. In the fourth quarter, our global TAVR procedures were comparable with Edwards growth. I should say global TAVR procedures were comparable with Edwards growth. Our global TAVR procedures were comparable with Edwards growth. Our global TAVR sales of $868 million increased 5% year-over-year on a constant currency basis, consistent with our expectations. Sales were up slightly over Q3 in dollars and on a constant currency basis, and local selling prices were stable. In the U.S., TAVRs for Edwards' fourth quarter TAVR procedures grew in the mid-single digit range.

As expected, our fourth quarter US TAVR procedure volumes were impacted by the US hospital staffing constraints and the holiday season slowdown. We estimate that our share of procedures was stable. Growth in the US was higher in larger volume centers and in states with fewer COVID restrictions, as measured by the Oxford Containment and Health Index. We're encouraged by recent hiring trends, which suggest that hospital employment is rebounding. As we mentioned, we began the introduction of SAPIEN 3 Ultra RESILIA in the US. The RESILIA tissue's anti-calcification technology addresses one of the primary causes of reintervention following heart valve replacement and is demonstrating a strong track record of performance in Edwards surgical valves. As of now, this newest valve has been introduced in approximately 10% of US TAVR centers, and physician feedback has been encouraging.

Outside of the U.S., in the fourth quarter, Edwards TAVR procedures also grew in the mid-single digit. We estimate total procedure growth was comparable. In Q4, geographies outside of Europe and Japan grew even faster in the quarter. Long-term, we see excellent opportunities for growth as we believe international adoption of TAVR remains quite low. In Europe, fourth quarter procedures grew in line with the global rate. Market growth continued to be impacted by a bump in the COVID cases and staffing shortages, which reduced hospital capacity, particularly in larger countries such as Germany. Even though there are a broad range of competitors, our leadership position and local selling prices remained stable throughout the year. Importantly, a cost-effectiveness study published earlier this month demonstrated that TAVR with SAPIEN 3 was economically beneficial when compared to surgical aortic valve replacement in treating German patients with low surgical risk.

The data suggests that TAVR enhances quality of life and offers a cost-effective option over the long term. These findings are consistent with the cost-effective outcomes for the use of SAPIEN 3 in France, Italy, and Spain. In Japan, fourth quarter procedure growth was much slower than expected due to an extended COVID wave and continued restrictions, which limited hospital staffing and capacity. We expect these factors to diminish substantially over the course of 2023 and look forward to launching SAPIEN 3 Ultra RESILIA in Japan later this year. We remain focused on expanding the availability of TAVR therapy, driven by the fact that AS remains a significantly undertreated disease amongst this large elderly population. In summary, our outlook assumes COVID-related challenges improve during 2023 as hospital resource constraints decrease.

We remain positive in our outlook for 2023 underlying TAVR sales growth of 9%-12%, consistent with the range we shared at our December investor conference. We remain confident in this large global opportunity that it will double to $10 billion by 2028, which implies a compounded annual growth rate in the low double-digit range. Turning to TMTT. Since launch, we have proudly treated more than 10,000 patients with the PASCAL repair system. We achieved significant milestones in 2022 and made meaningful progress toward achieving our vision to transform care for patients with mitral and tricuspid disease. Following the CLASP IID presentation at TCT and FDA approval in Q3, we initiated the introduction of the PASCAL Precision system in the U.S. Initial feedback from clinicians has been positive, and we're pleased with the patient outcomes to date.

CLASP IID full cohort of 300 patients with 1-year follow-up will be presented in the second half of 2023. In Europe, the PASCAL Precision launch is ongoing with a focus on bringing this latest advancement to our existing centers as well as expanding into new centers. Also, aligned with our commitment to generate high-quality scientific evidence, we continue to advance enrollment in our CLASP IIF pivotal trial for patients with functional mitral regurgitation. In mitral replacement, we're making good progress on the enrollment of the ENCIRCLE pivotal trial for SAPIEN M3 and expect to complete enrollment of the main cohort around the end of 2023. This sub-French transfemoral valve leverages the SAPIEN 3 platform with a recapturable, repositionable dock. Separately, we've completed enrollment in the MISCEND early feasibility study with the Eos valve and are incorporating the learnings from this early experience into our next iteration.

We believe the EOS platform has the potential to be an excellent option for mitral patients who have a poor prognosis and limited treatment options. Shifting to tricuspid and our strategy of advancing the body of clinical evidence, we are currently enrolling 2 pivotal trials studying both tricuspid replacement and repair, TRISCEND II and the CLASP II TR. We prioritized enrollment in our TRISCEND II study, that trial that's studying EVOQUE as it addresses the large population of patients who are suffering from debilitating symptoms and have few treatment options. TRISCEND II is on track for completion of enrollment in the first half of 2023, and we expect EVOQUE CE mark by the end of this year, and U.S. approval around the end of 2024.

We're very pleased with the recent tricuspid data presented at PCR London Valves meeting, which we reported favorable results from both our TRISCEND study of EVOQUE and the TriCLASP post-market clinical follow-up for PASCAL. In Europe, clinicians are very positive about the performance of our differentiated PASCAL Precision system in their tricuspid patients, and we're looking forward to bringing this therapy to patients in the US following the CLASP II TR trial. Turning to the sales performance of TMTT, fourth quarter sales of $32 million were consistent with our latest guidance and driven by the continued adoption of PASCAL in Europe, supported by the early initiation of PASCAL Precision in the US. Full year global sales were $116 million, up nearly 50% on a constant currency basis versus the prior year.

In 2023, we expect TMTT sales of $160 million-$200 million. We look forward to advancing our vision to transform the lives of patients with mitral and tricuspid valve disease through the milestones outlined at our recent investor conference. We remain committed to bringing this differentiated portfolio of therapies to patients with these life-threatening diseases and believe our strategy positions us well for leadership. In surgical structural heart, full year global sales were $893 million, up 6% on a constant currency basis versus the prior year. Fourth quarter 2022 global sales of $224 million increased 8% on a constant currency basis over the prior year. We are encouraged to see strong global growth driven by the increased penetration of our premium RESILIA products despite COVID challenges in certain regions.

Although hospital staffing shortages continued to be a concern, we believe that heart valve surgery was prioritized. We have seen strong momentum of the RESILIA portfolio globally. We believe that surgeons value the features and benefits of this advanced tissue technology for both aortic and mitral surgical valve replacement procedures. We saw adoption of the MITRIS RESILIA valve in the U.S. increase in the fourth quarter. Built upon previous generations of proven mitral valve technology, MITRIS offers greater ease of use and is designed to facilitate potential future transcatheter interventions. We are growing the large body of RESILIA evidence with our new MOMENTUS clinical study to demonstrate the durability of this tissue in the mitral position. Enrollment in this study was initiated earlier this month.

In summary, we remain confident that our full year 2023 underlying sales growth will be in the mid-single digits for Surgical Structural Heart, driven by the adoption of our most advanced technologies and growth of overall heart valve surgeries. Turning to Critical Care. Full year global sales of $855 million increased 7% on a constant currency basis versus the prior year. Fourth quarter Critical Care sales of $225 million increased 13% on a constant currency basis over the prior year. Growth was driven by contributions from all product lines and regions led by HemoSphere and Smart Recovery. In our Smart Recovery portfolio, adoption of FloTrac and ClearSight sensors featuring our unique Hypotension Prediction Index algorithm remains strong. Demand for our pressure monitoring devices used in the ICU also increased in Q4 due to elevated hospitalizations in the U.S.

As discussed at our recent investor conference, the integration of a full range of technologies creates a unique offering of enhanced recovery tools and predictive analytics to further strengthen our leadership in hemodynamic monitoring. In summary, we're encouraged by the strong momentum in critical care and continue to expect mid-single digit underlying sales growth in 2023. We remain enthusiastic about our pipeline of critical care innovations highlighted by Smart Recovery technologies designed to help clinicians make better decisions and get patients home to their families faster. Now I'll turn the call over to Scott.

Scott Ullem
CFO, Edwards Lifesciences

Thanks a lot, Mike. Today, I will provide a wrap-up of 2022, including detailed results from the fourth quarter, as well as provide guidance for the first quarter and full year of 2023. As Mike mentioned, our sales of $1.3 billion in the fourth quarter grew 7% on a constant currency basis, despite the healthcare disruptions in a number of our key geographies. Our gross profit margin was healthy, even excluding the temporarily inflated rate due to FX. Combined with sales growth and disciplined spending, this resulted in adjusted earnings per share growth of 25% to $0.64. GAAP earnings per share was $0.65. Obviously, we were disappointed with our stock performance last year. The only upside to the poor stock price performance was that it provided an opportunistic time to repurchase shares more aggressively.

During the fourth quarter, we repurchased $750 million of stock through an accelerated share repurchase program. In total, we repurchased $1.7 billion of stock last year. Average shares outstanding during the fourth quarter fell to 616 million. We have approximately $900 million remaining under our current share purchase authorization. For the full year of 2022, sales increased 8% over the prior year on a constant currency basis to $5.4 billion. Adjusted earnings per share grew 12%. We generated nearly $1 billion of free cash flow. We expect our sales growth rate to expand in 2023 with a gradual improvement in hospital staffing.

Although still early in the year, we saw encouraging signals during Q4 and a good start so far in Q1, which reinforces our confidence about the 9%-12% full year range. We are maintaining all of our previous sales guidance ranges for 2023. Absent big moves in FX, we expect total company sales of $5.6 billion-$6 billion, TAVR sales of $3.6 billion-$4 billion, TMTT sales of $160 million-$200 million, surgical structural heart sales of $870 million-$970 million, and critical care sales of $840 million-$940 million.

For the first quarter, we're projecting sales of $1.37 billion-$1.45 billion, an adjusted earnings per share of $0.58-$0.64. I'll cover additional details of our results. Our adjusted gross profit margin in the fourth quarter was 81% compared to 76.8% in the same period last year. This improvement was driven by the expected positive impact from our FX program, which includes hedge contract gains and natural hedges that offset the negative sales impact from the weakening of the euro and the yen against the dollar. At current foreign exchange rates, we continue to expect our full year 2023 adjusted gross profit margin to be between 76% and 78%.

At current exchange rates, the reduction in this year's forecasted gross profit margin versus 2022 reflects 250-300 basis points of reduced benefit from FX plus some incremental inflation. SG&A expenses in the fourth quarter decreased 3% over the prior year to $411 million or 30.5% of sales, primarily due to the weakening of the euro and the yen against the dollar, and partially offset by continued investments in the ongoing build-out of the U.S. TMTT commercial team and our high-touch model for TAVR. We continue to expect full year 2023 SG&A expenses as a percent of sales to be between 29% and 30%. Research and development expenses in the quarter were consistent with the prior year at $232 million or 17.2% of sales.

We continue to expect R&D expenses in 2023 to be between 17% and 18% of sales as we invest in developing new technologies and generating evidence to support TAVR and TMTT growth. Turning to taxes. Our reported tax rate this quarter was 13.3% or 14% excluding the impact of special items. We continue to expect our 2023 tax rate, excluding special items, to be 13%-17%. Foreign exchange rates decreased fourth quarter reported sales growth by 6 percentage points or $73 million compared to the prior year. At current rates, we now expect approximately flat year-over-year impact from foreign exchange to full year 2023 sales. Foreign exchange rates positively impacted our fourth quarter gross margin by 230 basis points compared to the prior year.

Relative to our October guidance, FX rates had a minimal impact on fourth quarter earnings per share. Finally, before turning the call back over to Mike, I'll finish with an update on our balance sheet and cash flow. We continue to maintain a strong and flexible balance sheet with approximately $1.2 billion in cash equivalents and short-term investments as of the end of the year. Free cash flow for the fourth quarter was $214 million, defined as cash flow from operating activities of $283 million, less capital spending of $69 million. In 2023, we expect free cash flow to grow to $1.0 billion-$1.4 billion. With that, I'll pass the call back over to Mike.

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

Thank you, Scott. Informational therapies for patients delivering solid financial performance. We expect higher growth and meaningful progress in 2023 with a gradual improvement in hospital. Disease remains a large health burden. We believe the opportunity to serve our patients. We are confident that our patient-focused innovation strategy can transform care and bring value to patients and healthcare systems worldwide.

I'll turn the call back over to Mark.

Mark Wilterding
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer, Edwards Lifesciences

Thank you, Mike. Thank you, Scott. With that, we're ready to take your questions. As a reminder, please limit the number of questions to one plus one follow-up to allow for broad participation. If you have additional questions, please re-enter the queue and management will answer as many participants as possible during the remainder of the call. Diego.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will conduct our question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question comes from Robbie Marcus with JP Morgan. Please state your question.

Robbie Marcus
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, JPMorgan

Oh, great. Thanks for taking the question. Before I ask, Mike, we couldn't hear your closing remarks before, so I don't know if you're a little far away from a microphone or not.

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

Okay.

Robbie Marcus
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, JPMorgan

There we are. Okay.

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

If you like, I'd be happy to give you the conclusion. Why don't I do that for a second? Thanks, Robbie.

Robbie Marcus
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, JPMorgan

Yeah, sure.

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

You'll still be first in line here. I just said, in conclusion, we're proud of the significant progress we made in advancing 2022 and the new transformational therapies for patients delivering solid financial performance. We expect higher growth and meaningful progress in 2023, with a gradual improvement in hospital staffing and growth across all major regions. As the global population ages and cardiovascular disease remains the largest health burden, we believe that the opportunity to serve our patients will nearly double between now and 2028. We're confident that our patient-focused innovation strategy can transform care and bring value to patients and healthcare systems worldwide. All right. Thanks, Robbie. You're back up.

Robbie Marcus
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, JPMorgan

Great. Thanks, Mike. Maybe to start, you talked about improving trends in TAVR and what you're seeing so far in first quarter. Maybe you could spend a little more time and give us detail on exactly what some of those improvements were throughout the quarter, how the quarter trended, and what gives you confidence in the 2023 TAVR guide based on what you've seen so far?

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna get really deep into the quarter. As Scott mentioned, we had some really positive times during the quarter where we saw some weeks were really strong. We had the normal seasonality that we see in a quarter where things get soft around the holidays. If I just elevate, you know, I think what's on the mind of some of our investors that we had a few quarters of single-digit growth. That certainly does not dampen our enthusiasm for our strategy. You know, just COVID just wasn't kind to structural heart patients, and we know that there are many consequences of COVID affected global growth companies, including Edwards. If we just replay, you know, 2020 COVID drove pretty much flat sales growth for us. In 2021, it was a big growth year.

Edwards grew 18%. In 2022, although we experienced the lingering impact of COVID, tough comparisons and all that, we still grew 8%. More importantly, in 2023, we remain confident that sales are gonna grow 9-12%. We just think the environment is gonna improve. We feel strongly that COVID's impact is transient and that treating these structural heart patients is gonna again become a priority.

Robbie Marcus
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, JPMorgan

Great. Maybe as a follow-up, you're a couple of months into the PASCAL launch in the U.S. I'd love to get the initial feedback of what you're hearing from implanters, from hospitals, and how the first quarter has gone for you so far. Thanks.

Daveen Chopra
Global Leader of TMTT, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah, sure, Robbie, this is Daveen. I'll take that question. So far at a high level, you know, feedback from physicians on the PASCAL launch, Precision launch, has been really positive, right? I think people love the ease of use, the navigation improvements of this new system, you know, and we know that we received early approval in the U.S. and Europe, so we're ramping the inventory to kind of improve these launches. I think really in the U.S., our mantra is all about patient outcomes, and so we are really focused on our high touch model. We're really focused on getting great clinical outcomes, gradual introduction, have a really strong training program. So far to date, we've been really impressed with that.

Finally, I'll say I think, you know, we've got some great CLASP IID data that came out, obviously at TCT, and we're convinced that they'll have a positive impact in the tier market overall. We think that more and more physicians will be interested in using the PASCAL Precision system.

Robbie Marcus
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, JPMorgan

Great. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Larry Biegelsen with Wells Fargo. Please state your question.

Larry Biegelsen
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Wells Fargo

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. Yeah, I wanted to start with a high-level question. Obviously, there's a lot of concerns on the U.S. TAVR market, Mike, as you mentioned earlier, among investors. I wanted to ask about actually next year, 2024, because it looks like you have three major trials being presented, potentially early TAVR for asymptomatic, the UNLOAD trial for moderate AS, TRISCEND II, you know, with EVOQUE for tricuspid. You know, how do you guys rank these opportunities, and do you expect these three trials to accelerate your growth? I have one follow-up.

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

Larry, this is Larry. Related to early TAVR, you know, just as a reminder, that trial has a 2-year endpoint. We just completed the 1-year follow-up, at the end of last year. We have these patients have another year to go, that data wouldn't be available really till 2024. UNLOAD is an IF study, that's really kind of out of our hands. We, we provide funding for that, but that's really up to the.

Investigators in terms of when they present that data. Maybe I'll turn it over to Daveen for TRISCEND or Bernard.

Daveen Chopra
Global Leader of TMTT, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah, I'll just make the comment on TRISCEND. For the TRISCEND II study, we expect to obviously release the information in the second half of the year. We're, you know, excited about the data, we think to help it. As you pull up here, I think this all helps us make us feel good about this year and then driving into 2024.

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

I'll just add, this is Mike again, Larry. We're feeling positive about 2024. It's a long way off, so too soon to give guidance at this point. When we look at the road ahead, we really think as the system learns to deal with COVID and it fades back into the rearview mirror, that structural heart patients are gonna get prioritized again, and we think that they're gonna be anxious to treat these patients. We love our lineup of technologies, our lineup of clinical trials that are pointed at indication expansion. We see that's why we feel confident in that 2028 outlook.

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah. Just to add on to that, you know, we did see, as Mike mentioned, you know, we saw some weeks in Q4 that were reall strong. I think it's just evidence that staffing is gradually improving, you know, maybe not as fast as we want. We certainly saw some impact, especially around the holiday period. You know, we still have the SAPIEN 3 UR launch. We have other things that we're really excited about. You know, we feel very good about next year. This year. Sorry.

Larry Biegelsen
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Wells Fargo

That's helpful. Just a quick follow-up. I didn't hear anything. Sorry if I missed it on the ALLIANCE trial and safety of X4. Is there an update there? Thank you.

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah, no, we don't have any update there. I think what we said at the investor conference is we expect to be back in clinic this year. We still anticipate that. We don't have anything new to add.

Larry Biegelsen
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Wells Fargo

All right. Thanks, Larry.

Operator

Our next question comes from Vijay Kumar with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Vijay Kumar
Senior Managing Director, Evercore ISI

Hey, guys. thanks for taking my question. I think, you know, for the first question, Mike, on these TAVR trends, I think, U.S. was up mid-singles, overall TAVR up mid-singles. This implies international was mid-singles. Maybe talk, was there any China impact or what happened in international? You know, I think on the last call, you know, noted half the centers in the U.S. were up double digits, half of them were flattish. Was that a trend that you saw this quarter as well? How are you thinking about TAVR progression here?

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah. I'll talk a little bit about OUS, and then Larry can get a little deeper in the US. Outside the US, procedures grew in the mid-single digits. As we mentioned, outside of Europe and Japan, it grew even faster. In Q4, we experienced some challenges that resulted in sort of, if you will, the US and Europe in mid-single digit as expected. Japan was worse than we thought, and the rest of the world was better than we thought. That's sort of the way that things kind of netted out. We expect contributions from all the regions to be better in 2023, as we are projecting that 9%-12% growth rate.

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah, I don't know...

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

Your, your other question was trying to differentiate what was different in the US?

Vijay Kumar
Senior Managing Director, Evercore ISI

Sorry. Half the centers were up, double digits, I think, last quarter. Was that a trend that you saw this quarter as well?

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah. We saw significant variation on a site-to-site basis. Clearly, some centers, and I think it mainly reflects, you know, kinda localized COVID restrictions. Some centers certainly did better than other centers. You know, gradually we see that improving, you know, over time. Larger centers probably did a little bit better than the smaller centers. You had a question about China as well. You know, China was certainly impacted, but for our TAVR business, it's such a small base. It's not a huge driver one way or the other.

Vijay Kumar
Senior Managing Director, Evercore ISI

That's helpful, Larry. Scott, maybe a quick one for you. I think Q1 guidance here at the midpoint, almost I think it's, hinting at 10% organic, close to high singles, low doubles organic. What's driving the sequential acceleration from the high singles organic we saw in Q4? Has the visibility improved? Or, just talk about assumptions around the Q1.

Scott Ullem
CFO, Edwards Lifesciences

Well, it ties to what we've been talking about so far on the call. Our guidance for Q1 is $1.37 billion-$1.45 billion, so call it $1.410 billion in sales at the midpoint of the range. Which is, you know, if you just sort of think about how the year's gonna play out at the lower end of the 9%-12% underlying growth rate guidance that we've given for sales. Your question is, you know, what happened between Q4 and Q1? It ties back to we're just seeing generally, you know, a favorable environment, hospital, staffing levels and healthcare disruptions gradually getting a little bit better.

It's really very similar to what we talked about at our investor conference and reinforces our confidence about the 9%-12% growth rate that we can achieve for the full year in 2023.

Vijay Kumar
Senior Managing Director, Evercore ISI

That's extremely helpful, Scott. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Matthew Taylor with Jefferies. Please state your question. Matthew Taylor, your line is open. We'll move on to the next question. Our next question comes from Matthew Miksic with Barclays. Please state your question.

Matt Miksic
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Hi. Can you hear me okay?

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

Yes.

Scott Ullem
CFO, Edwards Lifesciences

We can hear you.

Matt Miksic
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Thanks so much. I'll keep it to one question just on some of the comments that you talked about, Scott, I think in your comments around starting to see some encouraging trends early this year, gradual few improvements maybe towards the end of Q4. Given the sort of many things that have been talked about as potentially having this sort of slowing impact on U.S. TAVR trends, you know, around staffing, availability of nurses and, you know, the confusion around some centers being, you know, double digits and some being slower. Can you maybe talk about a few things that you are seeing that sort of bring you to sort of point out this encouraging trend? You know, which of these things are getting better?

You know, what gives you that encouragement?

Scott Ullem
CFO, Edwards Lifesciences

It's a good question, and it's tough to isolate all the elements that are going into, you know, just the first couple of weeks of the year. Generally speaking, overall, it seems like, you know, the trends are favorable, and this is what we expected to happen in 2023. With hospital staffing constraints, abating, with overall disruptions in the healthcare system getting a little bit better in the U.S. and outside of the U.S., and just the multiple different signals that we see and anecdotes that we hear give us confidence that we're on the right track. Again, look into the 9%-12% growth rate guidance for 2023.

You know, January, it's pretty early to say, but obviously we wouldn't, you know, the signals that we've seen in January are reflected in the guidance that we've given in that $1,370 million-$1,450 million sales range for the first quarter.

Matt Miksic
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Barclays

Okay. I'll leave it at that. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Joanne Wuensch with Citibank. Please state your question.

Joanne Wuensch
Managing Director and Head of U.S. Healthcare Research, Citibank

Good evening, and thank you for taking the questions. I have two quick ones. Looks like you have 81%, gross margins in the fourth quarter. Your guide for 2023, you know, is a reversal of your FX hedges. Can you walk us through, you know, sort of do we just straight line it down over the next couple of quarters, how we should think about that? The second question, it sounds like things are getting better. Are you seeing wait lists cropping up in different places? Thank you.

Scott Ullem
CFO, Edwards Lifesciences

Why don't I take the first piece and then we'll let somebody else jump in on the waitlist question. Just in terms of gross margin, it's pretty simple. I mean, there are a bunch of little moving pieces. We always get a little bit of benefit from mix. We get a little bit of benefit from all of the activities we have to improve efficiency in global supply chain. Really, the difference between the gross margin in the fourth quarter of 2022 and the full year of 2022 versus the guidance we've given for 2023 is all FX. FX hits us with both hedge contracts that we have, as well as inventory valuations outside of the U.S. That's really the source of the decline from 2022 to 2023 gross margins.

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah. On the backlog question, Joanne, as we've mentioned before, we don't have, you know, great analytics on backlogs. A lot of it we just hear anecdotally from customers. What we do hear say, yes, indeed, there is backlog that's spotty and across the U.S. and other countries for that matter.

Joanne Wuensch
Managing Director and Head of U.S. Healthcare Research, Citibank

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Chris Pasquale with Nephron. Please state your question.

Chris Pasquale
Senior Research Analyst, Nephron

Yeah, thanks, guys. Mike, I wanted to go back to the COVID-related headwinds in the US. One hypothesis that I think concerns investors, which you guys really haven't talked much about, is the idea that excess mortality in your patient population could have depleted your pool, and that that might take longer to normalize than something that's a little bit simpler, like hospital staffing. Do you see that as a significant factor, or do you still view it as a bottom of the funnel issue with capacity?

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah. You know, just at the highest level, you know, sadly for these patients, it's true, there has to be some mortality that goes on. They just don't wait well, and we know that that's a very serious consequence of the environment that we're in. Having said that, this isn't a small pool. It's a really, really big pool. Even the sad mortality that comes from this is not close to really putting a dent in the number of patients that could legitimately use help through having their severe AS treated.

Chris Pasquale
Senior Research Analyst, Nephron

Okay, that's helpful. Then just one on mitral. Any line of sight into CLASP IIF and CLASP II TR completing enrollment? Those studies have been going on for a while, and I don't think you guys have provided a timeline there.

Daveen Chopra
Global Leader of TMTT, Edwards Lifesciences

This is Daveen. I'll follow up a little bit on CLASP II TR first, and I'll talk about CLASP IIF separately. First, you know, on CLASP II TRs, if you remember, we think that in our prioritization, while we think tear for tricuspid is really important, we actually believe that EVOQUE has the potential to be more important to tricuspid patients. We know that this is a large and diverse population of people, we got to have a portfolio of options. We were committed to running, you know, two different pivotal studies. Obviously, the TRISCEND II for EVOQUE, as well as the CLASP II TR for PASCAL. Many of these sites are actually many of our clinical sites, especially in the U.S., actually have both trials at that site.

What we did is we actually asked sites to prioritize TRISCEND II enrollment and actually drive that fastest. That's on track to kind of complete enrollment here in the first half of 2023, as we've kind of talked about before. As that finishes up, we're asking kind of sites to kind of drive enrollment in CLASP II TR. We hopefully will then see enrollment in that trial then pick up. Moving on to CLASP II, CLASP IIF, right our functional kind of trial, a randomized trial. We haven't yet kind of, you know, shared expectation for kind of approval or commercialization yet on that. That trial is enrolling right now. It's a really important trial for us.

Again, a lot of the sites that were actually in CLASP IID, so again, the other micro, were also sites that were also in CLASP IIF. As you imagine, we initially said, "Hey guys, let's really drive enrollment in CLASP IID," in which the sites did really well. They helped drive our approval. Now we've again asked them to kind of switch their prioritization to CLASP IIF. We see kind of the enrollment in that trial, which again, is a larger trial, a 450 person trial kind of enrolling right now. That's kind of an update on those two, those two trials.

Chris Pasquale
Senior Research Analyst, Nephron

That's helpful. Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Cecilia Furlong with Morgan Stanley. Please state your question.

Cecilia Furlong
VP and Equity Research Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Good afternoon, and thank you for taking the question. I wanted to ask just a follow-up question on TAVR in Japan, how you're thinking about bounce back cadence in 2023 following a bit more pressure, it sounded like in four Q. Just as you think about the impact from low-risk patients, additional patients coming into the funnel there, as well as RESILIA rollout, if you could talk to us about your strategy and pricing strategy there too.

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

Maybe I'll start out with Japan and then turn it over to Larry for the others, that he can sort of complete the thought. You know, Japan had been a real lift to our growth rate for the past few years and even earlier this year. But when that wave of COVID came through in Q3, it really was a setback for that healthcare system. The way that the Japanese system deals with it is to implement a lot of restrictions. So that really had some pretty big impact in Q3, and that continued into Q4. It was even more dramatic in Q4 than we expected. The situation is much better in Japan, so we see a very solid, substantial improvement during the course of 2023.

We expect Japan to be a real contributor to growth going forward. Larry?

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah. You know, we're excited

Scott Ullem
CFO, Edwards Lifesciences

We can't hear Larry. He's, his mic is not on.

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

Sorry, can you hear me okay now?

Operator

Yes, go ahead.

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

There's a lot of things to be excited about in Japan. In addition to the recovery that Mike talked about more broadly, you know, we do have S3 Ultra RESILIA that's coming, you know, probably in Q2, then we'll begin rolling that out. Low risk approval is also a big thing. We recently got approval for TAV and TAV, which is a big thing for Japan. We're really looking for them to recover and get back to more of their historic growth rates.

Cecilia Furlong
VP and Equity Research Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. If I could follow up too, just Resilia in the U.S., you talked about 10% center penetration at this point, but can you speak to just your strategy, adoption, interest in Q1 and how you think about at this point, the cadence of converting centers over the next few quarters? Thank you for taking the question.

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

Sure. Yeah. We're really pleased with how the launch has gone so far. Remember, this approval came earlier than we anticipated, so it's not like we had built up a ton of inventory, and so we had to build up that inventory as we roll it out. We're pretty much right, I think, where we plan to be, and we expect the rollout to continue, you know, through the entire year. But we're happy with how it's gone so far. The physician feedback has been positive and we think it's good for us. You know, we're also going for a price increase, which is the first time price increase that we've done in, you know, since launch, which has been over 10 years.

You know, it's pretty modest, it's less than 5%, but we think it reflects, you know, the innovation and the value that we bring with the RESILIA technology.

Cecilia Furlong
VP and Equity Research Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Travis Steed with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Travis Steed
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Bank of America

Thanks for taking the question. A quick clarification and was on FX. I think the revenue guidance stayed the same, but FX was $100 million better. Just wanted to make sure I understood the moving parts on that. The question was also on US TAVR. It's hard to tell exactly, but it looks like US TAVR was down versus Q3. I don't know if there's anything to call it, specific headwinds in Q4 that maybe weren't in Q3, and if it was actually down in Q3 versus Q4. How to think about Q1 in the US, it cannot still be up sequentially and grow kind of year-over-year in that 9%-12% range.

Scott Ullem
CFO, Edwards Lifesciences

Sure. On the first question about FX, yes, you're right. We originally anticipated about a $100 million headwind to sales. Based upon recent currency moves, we now think it's about flat. We do think there will be a headwind to sales in the first half. There'll be a tailwind to the sales in the second half of 2023, but it averages out to flat for the full year.

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

If the rates stay its course.

Scott Ullem
CFO, Edwards Lifesciences

At the current rates.

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah.

Scott Ullem
CFO, Edwards Lifesciences

Regarding TAVR, no, there was actual growth in TAVR in the US, Q4, over Q3, and we're expecting more growth in Q1 over Q4. We're seeing sequential growth and year-over-year growth expansion in US TAVR and global TAVR.

Travis Steed
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Bank of America

Okay, great. I'll recheck the model on that. Then on SAPIEN 3 RESILIA, you mentioned a little bit of color on the launch. Curious how it's gone, like price uplift versus volume discounts. Are you actually getting all the price? Because I think the guidance is assuming stable pricing. Just want to make sure I'm clear on how to think about pricing impact this year, and maybe the pricing comes more in 2024.

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

We are going for a price increase and we're going for a price increase across the board. What ends up happening with pricing is, as volume goes up, you know, we have rebates and those were built in, whether it was SAPIEN 3 pricing or whether it's SAPIEN 3 UR pricing. We are going for a net increase on every SAPIEN 3 UR valve that we have. Again, it's, you know, about $1,500, you know less than 5%. We are going net for that across the board.

Travis Steed
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Bank of America

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Joshua Jennings with Cowen. Please go ahead.

Joshua Jennings
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Cowen

Hi, good evening. Thanks for taking the questions. I wanted to just start with a question on the surgical valve business. It grew at a higher clip than the TAVR franchise in the fourth quarter. Just wanted to maybe get a better understanding on this prioritization of heart surgeries that you called out. Do you expect that to continue and maybe it'd be beneficial to understand price versus volume growth for the surgical valve business in four Q? I just have one follow-up.

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

Sure. Well, I'll start, and then if I ever run into trouble, I'll call my buddy Navin to help me out here. Overall, you know, the thing with surgical patients is they don't require the same amount of workup as a TAVR patient. They can move through the system faster because they don't require things such as a CT for valve sizing, where that's done intra-procedurally for the surgeon. There's just less workup that has to be done for those patients, so maybe it's a little less impacted. I think there's also a mindset that when a patient needs open heart surgery, that just is more urgency in the system and those patients can move through a little bit quicker. You know, we'll see how that continues over time.

You know, we continue to drive RESILIA on the surgical side as well. We have the MITRIS launch, which is going, and we continue to advance RESILIA on the aortic side as well with Inspiris, and those continue. I don't know if you have anything to add, Navin.

Daveen Chopra
Global Leader of TMTT, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah. The only other comment I'll make is, we talk about heart valve surgery being prioritized within hospitals. We see a bit that, you know, as Larry said, in the, in the food chain of kind of surgeries, we see that people generally, if they're short in cardiac surgery resources, help start moving resources to these really high acuity, really important patients from other parts, other surgery departments. You actually see a little bit of resource moving, which I think has helped cardiac surgery keep its volumes overall. You know, that being said, you know, the macro picture, right? We always expect that, you know, TAVR is gonna increase in the aortic valve replacement, but we also expect at the same time the AVR market is gonna continue to grow and there'll always be these patients with complex disease that need surgery.

Joshua Jennings
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Cowen

Thanks for that. Just to follow up, I know the early TAVR results are not in the very near term, but thinking about the asymptomatic severe aortic stenosis bucket and just the percentage of total severe aortic stenosis patients in the United States, do you guys have any new kinda estimates in terms... Is that a 30% of total, 40% of total or lower? Just wanted to better understand, you know, what early TAVR could unlock. Thanks a lot.

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah, I'll You know, it's a difficult question because the literature's all over the place on this topic, and there's not great studies on this, in terms of how it gets looked at. There's a lot of studies out there that say for every asymptomatic patient or for every symptomatic patient, there's an asymptomatic patient, so that's probably on, you know, probably the higher end. There's other studies that says that it's a little bit lower. I think regardless, it's significant. I think the bigger issue here is it impacts how patients flow through the system. You know, patients come and the doctor says, "How are you feeling?" Maybe that day the patient feels fine, but two weeks ago they were struggling, and that doesn't necessarily get picked up.

I think if we could take the symptom assertion just out of the equation for patients, and if your echo says that you have severe AS, you move directly to therapy, I think it would just be a game changer for how patients flow through the system. It's one of the reasons we took on early TAVR, is we think we need to have the definitive data that shows, you know, what happens when you really stress echo these people, what happens when you really follow patients that are asymptomatic. That's really the purpose of the trial. We think it's a significant opportunity to change how aortic stenosis is treated.

Joshua Jennings
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Cowen

Appreciate it. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Adam Maeder with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Adam Maeder
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Great. Thank you for taking the questions. The first question is on ACC, which is coming up in a couple of weeks. I'm wondering if there's anything that you'd call out from an Edwards standpoint in terms of notable clinical data. There's a competitor study in the tricuspid space with TRILUMINATE. Do you think that study could potentially catalyze the transcatheter tricuspid market, both repair and replacement? I had one follow-up. Thanks.

Daveen Chopra
Global Leader of TMTT, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah. This is Navin. I'll hit a little bit on the obviously the tricuspid trial, specifically the TRILUMINATE study. You know, we actually wouldn't be surprised if TRILUMINATE shows positive results and gets approved, you know, by ACC or around ACC. I mean, to me this would be an amazing opportunity and great opportunity for patients to continue to get more data and have better patient treatment. That being said, you know, we see actually in Europe right now that clinicians are actually very positive about the performance of our differentiated PASCAL Precision device there and seem to really like it for tricuspid patients. We look forward to that, you know, to obviously bring that technology to the U.S. in the future. We think for the therapy overall, obviously more data is helping patient care.

that's-

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

At a high level, we'll be at ACC in full force. It's a chance for us to be close to customers. We don't have any real groundbreaking trials that are gonna be introduced at that time.

Adam Maeder
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Piper Sandler

Okay. Thanks, Mike. Just for a quick follow-up, one actually on capital allocation and, you know, clearly you're gonna remain focused within structural heart, but I also think you've talked recently

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

about having interest in a potential new adjacency, and I think referring to heart failure. You have an internal atrial shunt program, and you also have some investments in external assets. You know, when should we expect to learn more here about these initiatives and just the broader path forward? Thank you for taking the questions.

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah. Thanks for that, Adam. Yeah, we don't end up talking about these until some of the risk has really been taken out. At these early stages, these are big transformative therapies that have big potential, but they also have pretty big risk at the early stage of the program. We feel like it's more appropriate to share it with investors when we have more uncertainty. For example, like we're already in human trials. We're not likely to talk about this for competitive reasons, but it is something that's very much a priority for our company. We think the kinda skill sets that Edwards has could be applied really, really well to this big group of patients that's the number one healthcare burden and cost and mortality both.

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Richard Newitter with Truist Securities. Please state your question.

Richard Newitter
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Hi. Thanks for taking the question. and thank you, Scott, for the color on the quarter-over-quarter growth U.S. TAVR expectation in 1Q. I'm hoping to just parse out the expectation around cadence for improvement, U.S. versus international in 2023. Seems like international, a little bit more kind of COVID surge impacted, maybe you have a little more visibility into the turning of the tide there. U.S., more hospital staffing, that feels more gradual. Is that correct? Do you think it's right for us to be modeling a little bit faster recovery and acceleration perhaps in 1Q in the first part of the year internationally, and then maybe a little bit more of an acceleration for the U.S. in the back half and keep it more gradual in the first half?

Is that a good way to think about it? Do we have the pieces right around your visibility?

Scott Ullem
CFO, Edwards Lifesciences

Rick, first on the, on the sequential growth, I wanna go back to something Travis asked about before. Q3 to Q4 in 2022, there was sequential growth globally. I said U.S., it was true globally. Q4 through to Q1 in 2023, sequential growth in the U.S. and globally. As it relates to the full year 2023, and I'll start and then others chime in, we're expecting contributions both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S. It's tough to pin down exactly which regions are gonna grow at what rates, but we think that we're gonna get contributions from all of our major regions to that 9%-12% underlying growth in 2023.

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

That's right. I mean, if we just look at what's happened here in the recent past, whether it's the U.S. or Europe or Japan, our three biggest regions, they've been lower than what they should be based on the struggles that they've had with the aftermath of COVID, and we expect that to improve throughout 2023.

Richard Newitter
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Okay. I guess, but it's not like you have better visibility into the two factors, the COVID surge impacts in your challenged areas in Germany and Japan, you know, better visibility there versus hospital staffing. It feels like you're saying you expect all of them to move more or less together.

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah. I would say we have similar visibility on all of them. We're very close to our customers, very close to our centers, and we feel like we know what's happening on a center-by-center basis, and we just feel that the environment has and will continue to improve.

Richard Newitter
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Okay. Thank you. Just following up to Vijay's question, are half of your centers still doing double-digit growth in the U.S.? I know it's variant, but do you still see that level of growth from at least a cohort or half of your centers?

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah. I don't know if I could pin it down exactly to a percentage, but certainly we see a large portion or a large section of our centers that are still doing double-digit growth. Again, I think it's not so much COVID, but it's the COVID restrictions that happened. I think the parts of the country where those restrictions have been, you know, released sooner, I think we see those centers doing better. We expect the rest to come along. I mean, if you look broadly, those restrictions are easing, you know, really across the globe, and I think that's what is one of the things that helps us in 2023.

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah. Larry, you might add that you saw some weeks during Q4 where there was significant volume done that made us feel good about the fact that there must be some capacity out there, right?

Larry Wood
Global Leader of TAVR and Surgical Structural Heart, Edwards Lifesciences

Yeah. We had some of the biggest weeks that we've had in our history in Q4. You know, a week doesn't make a year, but the fact that they were able to do it for, you know, for several weeks indicates that staffing is getting better and capacity is coming back into the system, and it's one of the things that gives us confidence in our guidance for 2023.

Richard Newitter
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Truist Securities

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes our question and answer session for today. I'll turn the floor back to management for closing remarks. Thank you.

Mike Mussallem
Chairman and CEO, Edwards Lifesciences

Okay. Well, thanks, all, for your continued interest in Edwards. Scott, Mark, and I welcome any additional questions via telephone. With that, thanks for participating.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes today's conference. All parties may disconnect. Have a great day.

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