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Earnings Call: Q1 2021

Jul 30, 2020

Operator

Good morning. My name is Lisa, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Eagle Materials First Quarter Fiscal Year 2021 earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press the pound key. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Michael Haack, President and CEO. Please go ahead, sir.

Michael Haack
President and CEO, Eagle Materials

Thank you, Lisa. Good morning. Welcome to Eagle Materials conference call for our first fiscal quarter of 2021. This is Michael Haack, and joining me today are Craig Kesler, our Chief Financial Officer, and Bob Stewart, our Executive Vice President of Strategy, Corporate Development, and Communications. We are glad you could be with us today. There will be a slide presentation made in connection with this call. To access it, please go to www.eaglematerials.com and click on the link to the webcast. While you're accessing the slides, please note that the first slide covers our cautionary disclosure regarding forward-looking statements made during the call. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause results to differ from those discussed during the call. For further information, please refer to this disclosure, which is also included at the end of our press release.

Let me start my comments today with a simple thank you to our thousands of team members who have stepped up during these unprecedented times. The world is unanimous about the first half of calendar 2020 being extremely challenging to navigate, especially with regard to the pandemic and its effect on our communities. These unique circumstances have required our team members to adapt how they work, regarding how we serve our customers, how we operate efficiently, and simply how we take care of each other. The focus and successful implementation of these items are certainly reflected in our first fiscal quarter results which represent an all-time quarterly high water mark for the company. Our results this quarter reflect success in both our growth strategy and in our operational execution. The integration of Kosmos Cement acquisition proceeded on schedule.

I'm proud to say that for the first time in Eagle's history, we sold over 2 million tons of cement during the quarter. Our cement operations performed well. Recent strategic investments to extend our capabilities to satisfy customer requirements are paying off. A good example of this is our expansion of grinding capacity at our Sugar Creek plant. Cement demand has remained strong across all of our markets. We are fortunate to operate in states where construction has largely been uninterrupted by COVID. I could say this is luck, and in many ways it certainly is, but I do not want to minimize that we have been extremely strategic and selective about our growth targets in the U.S. We have focused on economically resilient and less cyclical U.S. heartland geographies. We continue to shape our heavyside portfolio with both strategic sales and acquisitions.

Our sale of Western Aggregates and Mathews Readym ix in Northern California, reflected in this quarter's results, was a strategic decision to divest of an asset outside our network. This asset was previously replaced through an acquisition in Northern Nevada aggregates and ready-mix asset located in better proximity to our Nevada cement operations. The Northern Nevada asset is fully integrated into our system now and is operating very well. This quarter, our wallboard business showed that geography matters. Our wallboard shipments were up 7% over the same quarter a year ago. This is in an environment where national shipments were down about 5%. I want to emphasize this is primarily a reflection of our strategic geographic positioning in long-term attractive markets and our strong operational execution.

Regarding our previously announced Republic Paperboard facility expansion project, the first step of equipment installation and integration is now complete and is giving us increased supply to meet our customer demand. The major cash investment is now behind us for this project. For frac sand, we have fully idled the facilities to minimize the cost impact and preserve value for future use. Previously announced, we continue to explore alternatives for this business. In the current market conditions, we recognize there are significant uncertainties about the sustainable level of demand. COVID is uncertain, public policy is uncertain. Second wave risks are real. Caution is certainly warranted.

At Eagle, we keep our eyes on the horizon as well on the road in front of us, and there is every reason to believe this period of uncertainty will pass and give way to a healthy runway for our construction materials business. I'm encouraged that policymakers have reacted aggressively with unprecedented monetary and fiscal measures. U.S. house prices are increasing. Mortgage rates are low. Credit spreads are narrowing. Commodity prices are advancing. Every week, there's a chance of more scientific breakthroughs in both therapeutics and vaccines. When economic reopening is completed, economic activity could have another bounce, particularly with the lagging response of U.S. monetary stimulus at work. The bottom line is, I do not know when this period of uncertainty will pass, but I'm confident that it will.

Eagle is prepared to navigate this period of uncertainty regardless of the duration, just as the company did when it profitably navigated through the longest construction recession in U.S. history. We will continue to be cautiously optimistic, but internally, we will continue to confine capital spending until a clearer picture emerges. Our resilience as a company is certainly greatly enabled by the strong cash flow characteristics of our businesses. In this regard, it's worth noting that this quarter, our net leverage declined by $150 million from March 31st, and total liquidity improved to over $450 million at June 30th. Now let me turn to the topic of our planned separation of the two businesses. We still look forward to executing the separation, which at this moment has been delayed by COVID uncertainties.

I do not have an update today on timing, and won't until there's some increased visibility that we are past the potentially more disruptive effects of this pandemic. I can say that our conviction about the separation remains intact, and we have every intention of completing the separation. That's all for me as far as introductory remarks. Now let me turn it over to Craig to go through the financial results for the quarter.

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Thank you, Michael. First quarter revenue was a record $428 million, an increase of 15% from the prior year. This increase reflects contribution from the Kosmos Cement business we acquired in March, and improved cement and wallboard sales volume. Excluding the recently acquired businesses and the effects of the business we sold in Northern California, revenue improved 2% from the prior year. First quarter diluted earnings per share were $2.31, an improvement of 146%. As we highlighted in the press release, both the current year and prior year quarters include the impact of several non-routine items. Most notably, this year's first quarter results benefited from a sizable gain on the sale of our Northern California businesses. Both quarters also include the effect of business development expenses. Excluding these and other non-routine items, first quarter adjusted EPS improved 39%. Turning now to segment performance.

This next slide highlights the results of our heavy materials sector, which includes our cement, concrete, and aggregate segments. Revenue in the sector increased 30%, driven primarily by the contribution from the recently acquired Kosmos Cement business, and a 7% increase in like-for-like cement sales volume. Operating earnings improved 62%, again, reflecting the contribution for Kosmos and improved sales volume, as well as lower diesel prices in our concrete operations. In addition, given the concerns around having contractors on-site during the COVID-19 pandemic, we adjusted the timing and extent of our cement maintenance outages, and delayed approximately $6 million of maintenance costs from the first quarter into the second and third. Moving to the light materials sector on the next slide. First quarter revenue in our wallboard and paperboard business was up slightly, as improved wallboard sales volume was partially offset by lower wallboard prices and lower paperboard sales volume.

Quarterly operating earnings in the sector declined 8% to $44 million, as improved wallboard earnings were offset by higher recycled fiber costs and the inefficiencies of starting up the paper mill after the expansion project in March. The earnings impact from startup was approximately $2 million, and by the end of the quarter, our operating efficiencies at the mill were much improved. Here in July, the mill has been setting production speed records. In the oil and gas proppant sector, revenue was down 93%, and we had an operating loss of $1 million. This business came under increasing pressure this spring and early summer as lower oil prices further reduced drilling and hydraulic fracturing activity. During the quarter, we significantly curtailed our operations to minimize operating costs and preserve the value of the assets. This next slide provides summary cash flow information.

During the first quarter, operating cash flow improved 88% to $95.3 million, reflecting strong earnings and disciplined working capital management. Total capital spending increased to $26 million as we completed several projects initiated last year and purchase land in Oklahoma, which will provide our Duke wallboard plant with over 20 million tons of additional gypsum reserves. We continue to expect total capital spending in a range of $60 million to $70 million for fiscal 2021. Also, during the quarter, we received the proceeds from the sale of our Northern California businesses on April 17th. Finally, a look at our capital structure. Given the ongoing pandemic-related uncertainty, we are continuing to fortify our balance sheet and liquidity. At June 30th, our net debt to cap ratio was 55%, and we had $199 million of cash on hand.

Our net debt to EBITDA leverage ratio was 2.5x , and total liquidity at the end of the quarter was $459 million, and we have no near-term debt maturities. We received our IRS refund in early July, which has further improved our balance sheet and liquidity post-quarter. Thank you for attending today's call. We will now move to the question-and-answer session. Lisa?

Operator

At this time, I would like to remind everyone, if you would like to ask a question, please press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. Your first question comes from the line of Trey Grooms with Stephens Inc.

Trey Grooms
Analyst, Stephens Inc.

Hey, good morning. It looks like overall demand has continued to hold in pretty nicely, at least in the quarter. You mentioned, of course, that the outlook remains uncertain given the pandemic, but can you talk about how the quarter progressed, demand trends maybe that you're seeing on both sides of the business here in July? Have you seen any changes in these trends?

Michael Haack
President and CEO, Eagle Materials

Yeah. Trey, this is Michael. The demand profile has been pretty consistent from what we've been seeing in the first quarter to how we are in July. Across our network, geography really did matter for us, and the demand profile looks pretty consistent across all businesses. Yeah.

Trey Grooms
Analyst, Stephens Inc.

Good to hear. Okay. Secondly, overall margins improved nicely. Craig, you mentioned some of the puts and takes there with maintenance cost and cement and a $2 million impact to the paperboard plant on the negative side there, I guess is the fact. We can kind of do that math, but there's other things maybe that might be going on like OCC. You talked about that, how did the OCC price fluctuations, how do we think about that impact of paperboard and wallboard? Also any other maybe more sustainable kind of benefits you're seeing on the cement side that we should think about.

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Yeah. Trey, good questions. On the OCC side of things, as you'll recall, most of our paper is sold under some long-term supply agreements, and those agreements have inflators and deflators based on the price of certain inputs, OCC or recycled fibers being one of the major inputs to produce paper. As those prices rise, we have a quarterly lag in which we then pass through those costs to the ultimate paper customer. Here in the June quarter, we absorbed those costs at the paper mill, as you can see, and then we turned around, and in July, we'll pass those costs along underneath the pricing provisions. We will recoup that profitability there at the paper mill this quarter. As you said, there are some other nice tailwinds. I can tell you energy costs here in the U.S. continue to be very low.

On the wallboard side and the paper mill side, it's predominantly natural gas. Natural gas remains below $2 a million. I can tell you electricity costs, which is more of a cement production input, remain very low across our markets. From a cost perspective, we are seeing some benefit there.

Trey Grooms
Analyst, Stephens Inc.

Okay. All right. Thanks for that. That's helpful. Lastly for me is just around the cement price. You adjusted for Kosmos was up 1%. It seems like most of the price increases out there were shifted to June. I guess the biggest thing is first, is it fair to say that or fair for us to assume that maybe the reported price for the quarter didn't necessarily reflect all of the increase given the timing? Secondly, I know that you guys don't really produce much on the oil well cement anymore, but just double-checking that there was any impact there from that falling off and any mix impact. Another cement player had mentioned some mix impact, just checking on that and curious around that impact there.

Michael Haack
President and CEO, Eagle Materials

Yeah. Trey, this is Michael. You are correct. With the pandemic going on and everything else, our cement increases were delayed till June 1st. The fully recognized value was not in the last quarter. It was just a portion of that. On your second question with regards to oil well cement, that has become less of a demand picture for us. When we look across the network, of course, this quarter was impacted by that. We have been successful, and we are very nimble in moving between oil well, construction grade cement. The market still has oil well, we are still providing that, but with the decrease, we have shifted that over to construction grade, so it has a smaller impact on our margin portfolio right now.

Trey Grooms
Analyst, Stephens Inc.

Okay. Thanks for taking my question. That's it for me.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brent Thielman with D.A. Davidson.

Brent Thielman
Managing Director and Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Great. Thank you. Good morning. I guess I wanted to pick up on Trey's question just in regards to the June cement price increases and then trying to consider the integration of Kosmos and as well oil well cement. Is this about the level of reported pricing you would expect into the fiscal second quarter? Just trying to think about all those moving pieces going forward.

Michael Haack
President and CEO, Eagle Materials

Yeah. We've implemented our price increase, and we've implemented those with customers. We feel comfortable with where we stand on that. I'm not going to get into the specifics of what we did by market. It's just, we feel we got a good return.

Brent Thielman
Managing Director and Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Okay. I guess on the paperboard with the expansion, just curious how quickly you think you'll be able to kind of leverage that full capacity of the facility. I know that's market dependent, but just from an operational perspective, how quickly you can ramp up to that full capacity?

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Yeah, I would tell you we're close to it. I said in the prepared comments, as we started up in April, obviously you have some startup inefficiencies. By the time we exited the quarter in June, we had worked through much of those. Here in July, we are setting speed records on the mill. We've seen an improvement there on the production output. I can tell you, as Michael mentioned, the paperboard volumes will follow wallboard volumes. Those have been very strong here in July. We are seeing the benefit already.

Brent Thielman
Managing Director and Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Okay, that's great. I guess on wallboard, pricing relatively resilient, I think. I'm just curious, the average realized here this last quarter, about where you see the market today?

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Say the last part of your question, Brent. I didn't catch that.

Brent Thielman
Managing Director and Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Craig, just on the wallboard side, the average price that you realized here in the quarter, is that about where you see your markets today?

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Yeah. The prices have really been flat now for, call it 10 or 11 months at this $146 on a net basis, in that range. That's about where the quarter had exited as well.

Brent Thielman
Managing Director and Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Okay. One more for me. I guess, just thinking about the balance sheet. Obviously, delaying the timing of the separation, you just did Kosmos, you sold the California business, a lot of moving pieces. Just curious, as you guys are looking to preserve some capital and pay down debt, what target level of debt or leverage are you thinking about, or where do you want to get to, assuming a combined business right now?

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Yeah, Brent, it's a great question. One of the things that has been a hallmark of Eagle over the years has been, A, a fortress balance sheet and a high cash flow generation business. That was really on display this quarter. With the operating cash flow, we can moderate capital spending very quickly. We've maintained these assets in very good condition. As we said, we've taken capital spending down 50% this year, and you will see that amount start to moderate even further as we exit the year. You start finishing projects initiated last year so that the run rate by the end of the calendar year is much lower than where we were here in Q1. All of that said, is we're going to be generating significant cash. We don't set a target leverage level.

I can tell you, we like to have a lot of power on the balance sheet so that we can either manage through cycles or grow when the opportunity presents itself. Here in the near term, we are continuing to de-lever and prepare for what lies ahead.

Brent Thielman
Managing Director and Analyst, D.A. Davidson

Okay. Thank you for taking the question.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Anthony Pettinari with Citi.

Anthony Pettinari
Analyst, Citi

Hi, good morning.

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Good morning.

Anthony Pettinari
Analyst, Citi

In cement, you referenced pretty strong demand across geographies, and I'm just wondering if that was uniform across end markets, whether it's public or private, residential or non-residential. With regards to the kind of funding environment, budgetary health, maybe of some of your biggest states, if you could just talk about maybe how the DOTs are doing and how the public side maybe looks in the second half of the year.

Michael Haack
President and CEO, Eagle Materials

When we look across our network, really every one of our facilities had a good demand profile. It's really across the country where we have that. On your second question is a more complicated question to answer in that every state has impacted a little different from this pandemic. Right now, our portfolio and what we're seeing and what our demand is going to is pretty consistent with the past, with both public, private sector. With it, we are seeing housing starts up and everything, so we get more demand on that side. It's been pretty consistent with the past, minus oil well, which we're not a big player in anymore. Each state's going to handle their issues differently, and it's kind of a wait and see how they handle those. Right now, our demand profile still looks very strong going forward.

We just don't see that impact as of yet.

Anthony Pettinari
Analyst, Citi

Great. That's very helpful. As you think about COVID and the safety precautions that you're taking to protect your people, social distancing and, I don't know, limiting contractor access, et cetera, are you incurring meaningful, additional operating costs from these measures? Or is there any way that you can help us think about financial impact of maybe some of these precautions?

Michael Haack
President and CEO, Eagle Materials

Yeah. We're not seeing that at all. We were aggressive at the beginning of this pandemic. As soon as this started hitting, we implemented some pretty robust policies and procedures. All of the operations have been following those and performing very well with those. From temperature screenings to face mask wearing, social distancing, to restriction of contractors on site, to restriction of vendors on site, and we have not seen a cost impact. We've actually seen, which is very good, a really focused workforce. We can see it in some of our safety statistics and everything else that the workforce understands what's out there, and they've performed through this fabulous. I think our team has done a tremendous job on it, and there's not any cost impact.

Anthony Pettinari
Analyst, Citi

Great. That's very helpful and great to hear. I'll turn it over.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Adrian Huerta with JP Morgan.

Adrian Huerta
Executive Director, JPMorgan

Hi. Thank you, everyone. Thank you for taking my call, Michael and Craig. Can you share with us what have you seen in terms of potential synergies on the back of the Kosmos acquisition?

Michael Haack
President and CEO, Eagle Materials

Adrian, I'll take that one. This is Michael. It's a great question, and we've seen some that we're exploring right now. You got to remember, we've taken this asset in the last three months, and we had went directly into an outage, and then we also had this pandemic where we do not have the flexibility to travel as much. We have identified areas where we really want to pursue, and it'll take a whole cycle to look through those and really determine how we attack those. At this time, I'm not really ready to talk about those synergies. I will say that we have several identified that we will be progressing on over these next quarters.

Adrian Huerta
Executive Director, JPMorgan

Thank you, Michael. Would you say that so far has been, and probably will be better than what you originally expected than before you acquired the asset?

Michael Haack
President and CEO, Eagle Materials

Yeah. We're very comfortable with this acquisition we made. We hit the ground running with the acquisition. We contributed this quarter with the acquisition. We're on pace to what we had projected in the plan. These synergies will be additional to that. We feel comfortable with how we valued this asset.

Adrian Huerta
Executive Director, JPMorgan

Understood. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jerry Revich with Goldman Sachs.

Jerry Revich
Senior investment leader and Head of US Machinery, Infrastructure, Sustainable Tech franchise, Goldman Sachs

Yes. Good morning, everyone. I'm wondering if you could talk about your planned cadence for price increase in wallboard. Nice to see a re-acceleration in single-family demand, and I'm wondering if we should be thinking about going back to the January 1 price increases. Can you just talk about when you expect to make an announcement to your customers and how you're thinking about the cadence? Thanks.

Michael Haack
President and CEO, Eagle Materials

Jerry, look, volumes have been strong as we saw here in the quarter and post the quarter. I think you've also seen some good orders from the home builders that have been out in the last week or two. We are expecting wallboard volumes to hang in there. In terms of anticipating a price increase, we'll hold off on speculating on specific timing or anything. Certainly our customers will be the first to know that once we have those plans in place.

Jerry Revich
Senior investment leader and Head of US Machinery, Infrastructure, Sustainable Tech franchise, Goldman Sachs

Okay. I appreciate that we're not in a position to talk about magnitude of price increases, are you in a position to talk about timing and your expected conversations with customers on what the date is, roughly?

Michael Haack
President and CEO, Eagle Materials

That, again, what we won't speculate on the timing of price increases or amounts or anything. You do make a good point. You've got very strong volumes right now. As volumes rise, utilization rates rise. We're well positioned in our geographies to move forward.

Jerry Revich
Senior investment leader and Head of US Machinery, Infrastructure, Sustainable Tech franchise, Goldman Sachs

Okay. In terms of going through this challenging operating environment, can you talk about are there any opportunities for sustained improved efficiencies on the other side of it, whether it's by digital order management or any other opportunities that have come up that have turned out to be more efficient than the analog way we've been doing things previously?

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Yes, Jerry, I think it's a good question. I would tell you, that is something that is continually in process here at Eagle, right? It isn't just a pandemic-related change, but we are constantly looking for innovative ways to improve our operations, to improve our logistics, and just improve the way we go about our business. Sometimes you are forced to do some of those things. I think we've become very efficient with our truckers and getting them through the plants. Whether that's on the wallboard side or the cement side. That's just a continuous process around here.

Jerry Revich
Senior investment leader and Head of US Machinery, Infrastructure, Sustainable Tech franchise, Goldman Sachs

Okay. Lastly, I'm wondering, can you just talk about where your backlogs stand today compared to a year ago, compared to last quarter, just if you don't mind sharing how much visibility you have over the next call it 90 days compared to normal?

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Yeah, Jerry, I wouldn't tell you that we have a backlog in a traditional sense of an E&C company. Certainly it is customer order, and they're bringing it to the job site. I can tell you, look, the sales volume has been strong. When we talk to customers, they have good confidence in the near term that their volumes will remain intact. Again, as we said, there is some uncertainty as you look further out. In very near term, our orders have been pretty strong.

Jerry Revich
Senior investment leader and Head of US Machinery, Infrastructure, Sustainable Tech franchise, Goldman Sachs

Craig, can you talk about the timeline related to that? When you say very near term, is that a 30-day comment, 90-day comment? Just a bit of context, please.

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Yeah. Look, it's looking out over the remainder and into the fall. I think people feel pretty confident, you really have to bifurcate it into the two businesses. Keep in mind, when you look at housing permits and housing starts, there's a lag between those to wallboard consumption, and that could be 60-90 days at least. That gives you some visibility with the orders that are coming in on the home building side and for new homes. That's wallboarded 2-3 months. Cement, similar thing. You've got projects that are underway and certainly will go through completion. You've got a pretty good forward view here.

Jerry Revich
Senior investment leader and Head of US Machinery, Infrastructure, Sustainable Tech franchise, Goldman Sachs

Okay. Thanks. Appreciate the discussion.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Adam Thalhimer with Thompson Davis.

Adam Thalhimer
Director of Research, Thompson Davis

Hey, good morning, guys.

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Morning.

Adam Thalhimer
Director of Research, Thompson Davis

Morning.

Hey, can you walk us through, I think we touched on this early on, but just the OCC pricing and how that, I'm thinking specifically in Q2, how that would impact wallboard and paperboard margins?

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

It's a good question. In terms of what we experienced in the spring, we have to back up a little bit. When that happens, that doesn't get passed along to the ultimate customer until the following quarter. There's a quarter lag between that increase and when we can pass those costs along, which is why you see the paperboard profitability down. Right? You absorbed a higher cost input and aren't able to pass those along until the next quarter. In June and July, as we had anticipated, OCC prices abated significantly in June and July. Once the economies opened, we started to generate OCC, recycled fibers, the supply came back, and prices came down.

In the second quarter, in our second quarter, we will pass that cost along, while at the same time the input costs have moderated somewhat. The wallboard business will experience a slightly higher paper cost here in the September quarter than what they experienced in the June quarter.

Adam Thalhimer
Director of Research, Thompson Davis

Okay. Is that something that's like hundreds of basis points of an impact or more like-

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Look, I would point you go back two or three years to when we saw the last spike in OCC prices like this. You saw a very similar earnings impact from those higher costs, and then it rebounds fairly quickly when we can pass those costs along. It's quick, and it's fairly significant, quite frankly.

Adam Thalhimer
Director of Research, Thompson Davis

Okay. Craig, corporate G&A was light in the quarter. Is that sustainable, or was that just the fact that nobody was traveling?

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Look, I think actually, if you were to take out the business development-related expenses, and I think we highlighted those for you in the press release. You'll actually see corporate G&A was pretty well flat year-over-year when you take the pluses and the minuses out. This has kind of been the range that we've been running at here for a couple of quarters in a row. I think it'll sustain here.

Adam Thalhimer
Director of Research, Thompson Davis

Okay. How big was the IRS refund in July?

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

About $104 million that we received right after the end of the quarter. We have some other funds that are still on deposit with the IRS that should be coming as well. If you look on the balance sheet, there was $120 million more income tax receivable. We got the vast majority of that was related to prior years, that's NOL carryback that we had took advantage of. We also have another call it almost $20 million on deposit that we should be getting returned to us soon.

Adam Thalhimer
Director of Research, Thompson Davis

Great. Okay. Just last one for me, in terms of modeling frac sand. Would you just put zero revenue in and that $1 million or $2 million quarterly loss?

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Yeah. Look, I think as Michael and I have said, we significantly curtail those operations, and with the volatility that we saw this spring, that business has really changed dramatically. Yeah, I think a run rate pretty close to where we were this quarter isn't a bad starting place. Subject to change and subject to things as they develop, but sitting where we are today, that's a reasonable run rate.

Adam Thalhimer
Director of Research, Thompson Davis

Okay, thanks. Good luck, guys.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Phil Ng with Jefferies.

Speaker 11

Hey, guys. This is actually Colin on for Phil. I just want to go back to cement volumes. I know you guys called out the strong trends that you saw in July, but how sustainable is like mid to high single-digit organic volume growth rate, through the rest of the second quarter and through the rest of the year, just given you're going to face some tough comps, and you've historically seen this business kind of as a low single-digit grower?

Michael Haack
President and CEO, Eagle Materials

Yeah. That's a fantastic question with it. When we look across our network, we've been taking advantage of some of the capital projects that we have implemented in the past. I called out in the comments about our Sugar Creek grinding capacity we have. All that is dependent on how much inventory you could actually produce. We are very tight across our networks right now with cement demand. We're at or near sold-out capacity, and as we stated, the last year's comparable was very tight. It was a very good quarter, with it. We are doing everything we can to, especially on the cost front of bringing our product closer back to the plants, working with our customers, but high single-digit growth when you get near a sold-out capacity is going to be very challenging to meet.

Speaker 11

Great. Thank you. Then just on the public market side, can you talk about your expectations for phase 4 stimulus, for the state DOTs and kind of what your expectations are for long-term funding? If we don't get any of this phase 4 and we get a CR for highway funding, how are you guys thinking about cement volumes, in that kind of environment?

Michael Haack
President and CEO, Eagle Materials

Yeah. It's a good question, and it's a very complicated question because there's so many different monetary policies going through, and if it's a state funding, if it's federal funding. Each state is looking at this different on how they balance their budget. Some states are affected more than other states. We're taking this on a day by day. I mean, we're looking for the future with it. We haven't seen the demand impact as much. We've seen one or two projects delayed, not canceled, but delayed. We still see a good demand profile in front of us. This monetary policy that went into play, there is money out there, and it's a lagging effect to that, and we expect that will come into play over time. Depending on how the federal policy comes with the infrastructure bill and everything else, that will have an impact.

Right now, we're taking it as it comes right now. We're seeing good demand profile right now for the foreseeable future.

Speaker 11

Great. Thank you. Just my last question. I know there's around a 60, 90-day lag on the wallboard side from when the starts happened. Have you guys seen any indication that there could be an air pocket of demand? Maybe not in the upcoming quarter, but maybe into your fiscal third quarter, kind of as these starts would be going to completion, or have you guys not seen any indication of that? Thank you.

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Yeah. Colin, I would tell you that the snap back was so quick, in April and May. Again, in our markets, we don't play up in the Northeast, we don't play up in the Northwest with our wallboard business. We are generally in the southern half of the U.S., where the shutdown was much more minimal.

Speaker 11

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Josh Wilson with Raymond James.

Josh Wilson
Analyst, Raymond James

Good morning, Michael, Craig. Congrats on the quarter and thanks for taking my question.

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Thanks, Josh.

Josh Wilson
Analyst, Raymond James

Just a few modeling questions for me here. You mentioned the shift in the outage for the cement plant. Should we just split that evenly between two Q and three Q?

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

No, I'd put more of it in Q2 than Q3, at probably an 80/20 mix, something along those lines.

Josh Wilson
Analyst, Raymond James

Got it. Just one more on the outlook for wallboard. You said a slight impact from the spike in OCC, but clearly it was a short-term impact. Can you help us more with what the magnitude of that hit might be and what you're able to manage around it in your buying or anything like that?

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Yeah. As we've seen in years past, it's a couple of dollars a thousand in terms of what that impacts to the wallboard business. Again, it's relatively short-lived. It's really the September quarter, assuming prices remain flat or continue to abate here, by the time you get to December, that OCC price has really moderated at both the paper mill and the wallboard business. It's really just a one quarter impact on the wallboard costs. On the paper mill side, it's a continued benefit in terms of the lower OCC prices.

Josh Wilson
Analyst, Raymond James

Got it. Your inventory dropped. I know that's mostly maintenance parts, but is that something you pared back during the worst of the shutdowns and are going to need to reinvest in?

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Look, I think we had very strict and disciplined working capital management this quarter, and we do always. I think a big piece of that was also when the paper mill was down, we were selling out our paper inventory, just as you would expect coming out of an outage like that. On the cement side, really that's a reflection of how strong the cement demand has been, and you're working down the inventory levels of clinker across the system. As Michael said, we've made some investments the last 12-18 months to allow us to move product even more than we have in the past. That's allowed us to convert that inventory to cash.

Josh Wilson
Analyst, Raymond James

Very good. Good luck with the next quarter.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Keith Hughes with Truist Securities.

Speaker 12

Hi, this is actually Josh on for Keith. I just had a couple questions kind of on the wallboard side. One, are you seeing the pickup in new home construction in July yet? I understand that it started really poor two months ago. It seems like things have picked up a lot.

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Yeah. I mean, look, I think as we were saying earlier, there is a lag time between housing starts and wallboard consumption. We would just tie those. The correlation is tighter there over a 60 to 90-day time frame.

Speaker 12

Okay. Can you help us think about pricing with the mix shift since new home construction's been so strong?

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Yeah. I guess you're talking about the pricing mix between a half inch and 5/8 is what I'm assuming you're asking about.

Speaker 12

Yes.

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

Look, I'll tell you, over time, that ratio doesn't change dramatically. You might see it fluctuate a little bit, but that's not driving any sort of pricing changes in our business.

Speaker 12

For the 146 you talked about exiting the quarter roughly is it's flat, like that's a like-for-like basis.

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

It's like-for-like.

Speaker 12

Okay. Last kind of question on the paperboard expansion. Last quarter, you kind of mentioned there was a final stage with some personnel coming, and there were some international travel restrictions maybe causing some delay there. Has that been completed? Just kind of update us on where exactly the paperboard is. It sounds like it's pretty much done.

Craig Kesler
CFO, Eagle Materials

What I can tell you is the capital spending is virtually complete. We are able to achieve a lot of significant portion of the expansion. There are some final pieces of equipment that require some expertise to be installed. We hope to get that done here in the fall. We're trying to be creative with how we get that done. That could slip, but it's not impacting the ability of the operation to run, and there's no more significant capital spending there. There is one final piece to finish there.

Speaker 12

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

At this time, there are no further questions. I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Michael Haack for closing remarks.

Michael Haack
President and CEO, Eagle Materials

Thank you for attending this call, and we'll look forward to talking to you in the fall.

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may now disconnect.