Earnings Call: Q4 2021

May 19, 2021

Good day, everyone, and welcome to Eagle Materials' 4th Quarter and Fiscal 2021 Earnings Conference Call. This call is being recorded. At this time, I would like turn the call over to Eagle's President and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Michael Hack. Mr. Hack, please go ahead, sir. To turn the call over to Mr. Michael Hach. Good morning. Welcome to Eagle Materials' conference call for our fiscal year and 4th fiscal quarter of 2021. This is Michael Hack. Joining me today are Craig Kessler, our Chief Financial Officer and Bob Stewart, Executive Vice President of to turn the call over to our operator for questions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, to turn the call over to Mr. President of the Board, who is here to comment on 2 noteworthy developments that were included in our earnings release. 1 related to the Board's decision to remain a combined company and the other to the reinstatement of our quarterly cash dividend. We are glad you could be with us today. There will be a slide presentation made in connection with this call. To access it, please go to www.eaglematerials.com and click on the link to the webcast. While you're accessing the slides, Please note that the first slide covers our cautionary disclosure regarding forward looking statements made during this call. These statements are subject to risks to state uncertainties that could cause results to differ from those discussed during the call. For further information, please refer to this disclosure, which is also included I'll begin today with some perspectives on the quarter, the fiscal year and our outlook. Our latest results represent a culmination of a decade of sustained top line growth for the company, while our bottom line has grown by more than 20 fold. In every respect, fiscal 2021 was an extraordinary year for Eagle Materials. Our resilient business model And our team's commitment to Eagle's vision and strategic priorities have enabled us to achieve record financial results, to integrate the largest acquisition in the company's history, operate all facilities safely during COVID and quickly rebound from a historic winter storm. These results would not be possible without the extraordinary, talented and dedicated employees of Eagle Materials. My personal thanks goes out to all of them for navigating these challenging times safely. We have long emphasized to note the favorable cash flow characteristics of Eagle Materials, and this was never more clearly illustrated than during this year. In effect, we were able to repay the entire $665,000,000 purchase price of the Kosmos acquisition during the fiscal year, to provide us with significant balance sheet firepower and financial flexibility going forward. To take a look at the financial results. A few additional strategic items that I would like to highlight are around our completion of the expansion of our vertically integrated paper mill to The paper mill expansion added 20% additional capacity, allowing Eagle to set a monthly production record to review the Wallboard Paper in March. The expansion will also provide cost and value benefits that we expect to realize longer term. The business portfolio shaping involved the divestiture of Eagle's profit business and other non core assets in Northern California. We found buyers where alternative ownership value exceeded operating value for us. With regards to operations, to I'm especially pleased with our safety performance in this disruptive pandemic year. Progress on our relentless focus on safety was confirmed Our safety culture has never been stronger with leading indicators of safety observations to Increasing by 114%, resulting in all of Eagle's businesses outperforming industry metrics yet again, Another important topic that we are very excited about is our progress on our environmental to note that we will post an updated environmental and social disclosure report to our website this quarter to And it will give a more comprehensive and granular expression of our ESG agenda and to our progress, Both of which were a source of pride for us. ESG is well integrated into our strategic planning and investment decision making process at Eagle. Let me now turn to some specifics around our demand outlook and why we believe the underlying demand fundamentals And our markets will continue to be strong see strong volume and pricing strength like we saw during the second half of our fiscal year. Residential construction and repair and remodeling are very closely related and are important demand drivers for Eagle Materials. These two items drive approximately 80% of the demand for gypsum wallboard and about 30% of the demand for cement. In this regard, the outlook for housing starts, especially single family starts, which are particularly important for wallboard demand, is strong. We have been under building against underlying demand in the U. S. For over a decade. This under building has led to a record to shortage of homes, at the same time that household formations are expanding. As long as mortgage interest rates to stay in the lower quartile by historic standards. This demand growth should be largely sustainable through the midterm. Now turning to cement. Approximately half of cement demand is from investments in infrastructure. There has been a lot of discussion about President Biden's intentions around federal funding for infrastructure and this is needed and it is welcome. Implementation will further challenge U. S. Cement supply in many parts of the U. S, which is already straining to meet current demand. It is also important to remember that the lion's share of funding for infrastructure comes from states, not the federal government. To There was quite a bit of concern about state budgets being impacted by the pandemic. But as we shared in our prior earnings calls, Our analysis of sources of state funding suggested the impact would likely not be as great as some feared, to discuss our financial results, especially in the U. S. Heartland states in which we operate. In fact, remarkably, state and local tax revenue grew by 1.8% in to 2020. This is largely because state and local personal income tax receipts rose 3.4% And state and local property tax receipts were up 3.9%. On top of the tax revenues, states were provided federal to turn the call over to our operator for the call. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have seen strong demand in distribution centers, warehousing and data centers, but overall this area has been less certain. As America continues to reopen after COVID, we expect this demand driver to continue to strengthen. The point of this is that the demand picture is robust for both of our businesses. The factors driving the strength should be sustainable at least through the midterm. Moving from the demand side to the supply side, we have been talking for some years about the diminishing supply of synthetic gypsum in the eastern half of the U. S. This is due to less burning of coal as power plants change fuel sources from coal to natural gas and from outright closure of coal fired power plants. With a diminishing supply of synthetic gypsum, existing synthetic wallboard plants will be limited in their ability to fully utilize current capacity, Conversely, almost all of the Eagle's plants to have many decades of raw material supply, which are primarily owned natural gypsum deposits. We are largely insulated from the direct effects to discuss the progress of this diminishing synthetic gypsum trend, while our plants are also in a position to indirectly benefit from the supply dynamics In this way, it is notable that the gypsum wallboard industry is increasingly to begin looking more and more like the cement industry. With respect to our cement business, there are significant regulatory to note that we are conducting a number of key strategic initiatives and the development of new projects. In face of the increasing demand and with industry capacity now nearing full utilization, clinker capacity in the number of cement kilns This trend is why imported cement will increasingly be required, but is increasingly expensive with rising Baltic Freight Index rates. Imported cement also carries a much larger carbon footprint than locally produced cement because of the ocean freight and logistics required to get it to the point of use. Eagle is well positioned in the heartland of the U. S. Away from the seaboard And hereto, the company will be affected largely indirectly in a positive way by these trends. And limited practical substitutes for both businesses add up to a very bright future for Eagle Materials. With this backdrop, I would be remiss if I did not spend a little time on our pricing initiatives. With regards to Wallboard, Subsequent to the quarter, we implemented a price increase effective in April and have announced a further price increase for June. For cement, we have implemented a price increase in April across our network and announced a second price increase in Texas for midsummer. We are continuing to see growing demand in our other markets, and we'll update you on future calls on any further price increases we to comment later in the year. Now before I pass the baton over to Mike, I'd like to to take just a moment here to again formally thank our dedicated employees for their extraordinary efforts and focus over this unprecedented year. To turn the call over to to Thanks, Michael, and thanks for the invitation to join the call today. The first key announcement is that Eagle's Board of Directors has decided to remain a combined company, As you've read in our press release, and I'm here because I'd like to share some perspectives around this decision. To Much has transpired since the separation announcement that has caused the Board to reevaluate the separation's merits. To 1st, the size and financial strength of the combined company with its diversified asset base, geographic diversity and robust balance sheet Have provided great comfort, stability and value to our shareholders, employees, customers and suppliers during an unprecedented and uncertain time. 2nd, given the continued consolidation of the industries in which we participate and the company's rigorous examination of a number of strategic alternatives since to It has become clear that a combined company with greater financial scale and flexibility to we'll be better positioned to pursue key strategic growth options and enhance shareholder value. To turn the call over to John. 3rd, since the announcement of the proposed separation, the company has streamlined its business portfolio, including the divestiture of its oil and gas proppants business to And other non core assets. There is no question that the company is exceedingly well positioned and is performing as well as at any time in its history. To As a shareholder, I could not be more pleased with the position of the company. While the Board will continue to evaluate the merits of a separation on a periodic basis As we have in the past, it is concluded in consultation with external advisors that the combined company is in the best position to create long to confirm shareholder value. This is an this was an important decision for Eagle and for the Board and one that was very carefully considered. To A second decision that the Board has made relates to our quarterly cash dividend. This decision is an important one in the context of our capital allocation priorities, to Which I might add remain unchanged. We have 3 capital allocation priorities. The first are growth investments that meet our strict financial returns criteria and which fall squarely within our strategic focus boundaries. To The second investment priority is organic improvement investments. These are investments to maintain our facilities in like new condition, to strengthen the low cost producer positions and to ensure the long term sustainability of our operations. The 3rd priority is the return of cash to shareholders, and this has been primarily through share repurchases. In fact, over the past 3 years, we have invested just over $625,000,000 in share repurchases and dividends. This compares with nearly $700,000,000 in growth acquisitions and $300,000,000 in organic improvement investments to Currently, over 7,000,000 shares remain under the current repurchase authorization. Now let me turn to the quarterly cash dividend decisions. Pandemic uncertainties urged an abundance to caution broadly around capital allocation at Eagle until we could regain confidence around the sustainability of the recovery. To As part of that cautiousness, we suspended our quarterly cash dividends. Our confidence in the sustainability of the recovery is now high, to Well, our cash position is very healthy. As such, I'd like to announce that we are reinstating our quarterly cash dividend of $0.25 per share on our common stock. To The dividend will be payable on July 16, 2021 to shareholders of record at the close of business on June 18, 2021. This amount represents a 150% increase over the quarterly dividends that had been paid preceding the suspension. To We're very pleased to be able to make this decision on behalf of our shareholders. The reinstatement of the dividend reflects Eagle's strong operational and financial performance, to Our confidence about the resilience of the business and our commitment to reward shareholders. Our strong balance sheet combined with a robust Cash flow outlook allows us to pay this dividend while very importantly preserving the financial flexibility to continue to grow to and improve Eagle and create long term shareholder value. With that, now let me pass the baton over to Craig for the regular business of the earnings call to begin with a discussion about the financials. Thank you, Mike. Fiscal year 2021 revenue was a record $1,600,000,000 to up 16% from the prior year. The increase was driven by contribution from the acquired Kosmos Cement Business to and increase cement and wallboard sales volume and pricing. The Kosmos Cement business contributed approximately $176,000,000 of revenue during the year. To Revenue for the Q4 was up 12% to $343,000,000 reflecting a very strong end to our fiscal year. To Annual diluted earnings per share increased 46% to $7.99 to reflect the contribution from the Cosmo Cement Business, improvement in the organic businesses and a gain of approximately $0.98 per share on to turn the call over to the operator for the Q1. The 4th quarter EPS comparison was affected by the CARES Act, Which generated a $37,000,000 or $0.76 per share benefit in the prior year period. To This year's Q4 financial results were affected by the disruption of Winter Storm Yuri. Prior to and during the storm, we brought down operations At all our Oklahoma and Texas facilities. This was done in a controlled manner to ensure the safety and security I commend our manufacturing teams for their focus as these facilities ultimately lost utilities, Including electricity and natural gas. Fortunately, we avoided significant damage to our critical equipment to And our operations were fully restored by late February. The total financial impact from the winter storm was approximately $12,000,000 during the 4th quarter. Most of the impact resulted from higher variable costs, namely higher energy. However, we also had negative fixed cost absorption, to freeze related repairs and restart costs. On the flip side, we were able to curtail other operations to and sell a portion of our natural gas commitments to offset these higher costs. These offsets were included in other nonoperating income. Turning now to segment performance, let's look at Heavy Materials results for the year highlighted on the next slide. This next slide shows the results in our Heavy Materials sector, which includes our Cement and Concrete and Aggregates segments. Annual revenue in the sector increased 19%, driven primarily by the acquired Kosmos Cement business and higher cement sales volume and pricing. This was partially offset by the divested Concrete and Aggregates business results in the prior year. Operating earnings increased 27%, Again, reflecting the acquired business and increased sales volume and pricing, and margins improved 140 basis points to 23%. As I mentioned earlier, our cement and concrete operations in Oklahoma and Texas were negatively affected by winter storm Yuri. To The impact of this sector was approximately $6,000,000 and mostly reflects higher energy costs. As Michael mentioned previously, to We recently implemented cement price increases across our entire cement network. The price increases range from $6 to $8 per ton to And we're effective in most markets in early April. Moving to the Light Materials sector in the next slide. Annual revenue in our Light Materials sector increased 5%, reflecting improved wallboard sales volumes and prices. Annual operating earnings increased 2% to $193,000,000 reflecting higher net sales prices, partially offset by higher input prices, to namely recycle fiber costs and the impact of starting up the paper mill after the expansion project. As with the cement business, Our wallboard plant and paper mill in Oklahoma experienced production curtailments and significant spikes in energy during the February winter storm. To The biggest impact was at our paper mill, which was fully curtailed for the week and during the shutdown process experienced escalating energy costs. Again, as Michael highlighted, subsequent to the quarter, we implemented a wallboard price increase in early April and announced another price increase last week for early June. To Looking now at our cash flow, which remains strong. During fiscal 2021, Operating cash flow increased 61 percent to $643,000,000 reflecting earnings growth, to disciplined working capital management and the receipt of our IRS refund. Meanwhile, capital spending declined to $54,000,000 The increase in our cash balance, combined with debt reduction, enabled us to repay the entire Kosmos Cement purchase price during fiscal 2021. In fiscal 2022, we expect capital spending to increase to a range of $95,000,000 to $105,000,000 As we restart several projects that were delayed because of the COVID-nineteen pandemic. And finally, a look at our capital structure. During the year, we prioritized debt reduction as a primary use of cash, providing us significant financial flexibility to turn the call over to Jim to discuss our financial results in the Q1 of 2019. Thank you, Jim. Thank you, Jim. Thank you, Jim. Thank you, Jim. Good morning, everyone. Our net debt to cap ratio was 36%, down from 60% at the end of the prior year and our net debt to EBITDA leverage ratio was 1.3x. To We ended the year with $264,000,000 of cash on hand and total liquidity at the end of the quarter was approximately $1,000,000,000 to And we have no near term debt maturities. Thank you for attending today's call. We'll now move to the question and answer session. Josh? To please stand by and we will follow the Q and A roster. Our first question comes from Trey Grooms with Stephens. You may proceed with your question. Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. First is on pricing. To You guys have seen nice traction on wallboard pricing to date. And as you mentioned, you've announced an April increase and then to And then also a June increase in wallboard. And then likewise in cement, you announced April increase and a second increase in Texas. To To the extent you can, can you talk about how those are going in wallboard and cement? And are you thinking about the possibility of a second price increase in cement in any of your other markets. Yes. Trey, this is Michael. Thanks for the question. To For the Wallboard 1, again, we've just announced that we need time for that to be to Our discussions with our customers in the market and everything. Moving to the cement side, we announced in Texas and we are going to look at to The demand drivers on the cement side of the business in each market individually and see where that to Resides in the coming months and then we'll make a decision what we do with pricing in those markets, working with our customers at that time. To So we are constantly evaluating every market in the cement side to see how the demand maintains throughout the year. To Okay, fair enough. And secondly, clearly the outages during the quarter to Impacted the margins on both businesses. And but with production back online, to Have these margins, I guess, back to wallboard and cement, both, have the margins bounced back to what you would expect there? Are those to kind of are there any lingering issues or cost impacts, whether it be raw materials or energy, to Anything like that that are lingering on or should we expect kind of a bounce back there in the margins? Yes. No, thanks, Trey. This is Craig. To No lingering issues from the winter storm. March was a very strong month for us. And on the cost side, again, to We're a little unique in that we own our primary raw materials on the cement side that's limestone. We generally have close to 50 years' worth of to be located right near our facilities, and that's the primary raw material on the gypsum on the wallboard side, it's gypsum, to Again, very similar. Our raw material reserves are close to the plants. We've got a good solid foundation of deposits there. To Energy prices are still low. Gas is still below $3 a $1,000,000 this morning. So from a margin perspective, to We're in good shape. All right. Thanks, Greg. I'll leave it there and pass it on. Thanks. Good luck. To Thank you. Our next question comes from Brent Thielman with D. A. Davidson. You may proceed with your question. To Yes, great. Thank you. Are you able to provide the specifics of the price increases that have been announced to customers? To Brent, as we said, so the April price increase in cement was $6 to $8 per ton across our entire network. To On the wallboard side, those specific price increases were communicated directly with customers. We haven't given any quantification there. To We will certainly do that for you in our call in a couple of months here in July. Okay. Fair enough. To Maybe just your thoughts where you're seeing the strongest sort of momentum in your wallboard markets right now? To Yes, Brent, again, fortunately, we sit in the southern half of the U. S. With our operations generally. And to Look, we're seeing it across all of our markets from the West Coast to the East Coast, to Single family and again, remember within the demand dynamics for wallboard, single family construction to The intensity of wallboard in a single family home is much greater than it is a multifamily unit. To And so as we've seen single family construction activity pick up, that's been very meaningful for us and it's been very strong across all of our markets. To Okay, great. And I guess with the decision to stay as a combined company, curious which of the 2 platforms you see the best opportunity to grow. And I guess through this process of evaluating the spend and also just thinking about your ability to pay off to Cosmos so quickly, any change in views of what your tolerance for leverage is? Is 3x still kind of the upper band of to What you'd want to push to? Brent, let me say it this way. One of the hallmarks of Eagle has been to understand how to manage cycles. To And a big component of that is managing the balance sheet so that when opportunities come our way, we have the balance sheet capacity to execute on those to Transactions. That has served us very well during uncertain financial times like the great financial crisis to This past 14 months with the COVID pandemic and recall that over the last 8 years to Coming out of the financial crisis, we've more than tripled the cement business, which was $1,500,000,000 investments. To And the quality of the assets that we're able to acquire are without question. Keep in mind at the same time, right, our balanced to Approach to capital allocation, we've also taken out 15% of the float over that same time period. So I to continue to look at the capital allocation priorities as the commitment we've always had to a high degree of to Financial requirements with their strategic background as well for sure as we look at M and A and we look at it across the company. To And when those opportunities don't meet our hurdle rates, we have been very happy to return cash to shareholders. To And we've generally done that through share repurchases. Okay. Last quick one, just the other non operating income, I to I think related to the natural gas commitment, is there going to be any carryover of that in the Q1? Or should we sort of see that line item normalized? To Yes, that will normalize. That was very specific to the 7 to 10 day winter storm that we dealt with. Yes. To Okay, great. Thanks for taking the questions. Thank you. Our next question comes from Adrian Huerta with JPMorgan to proceed with your question. Hi. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Going back again to the capital deployment. To Well, the focus continue to be more to look for opportunities on the heavy side versus the light side and any to see potential to get into other new businesses as well on the heavy side that are not necessarily just cement or ready mix. To Yes. Thanks, Adrian, for the question. This is Michael. As Craig said, we are very disciplined in how we approach to Our strategy in the past, as Craig highlighted, is we've grown the heavy side of the business. We continue to look for opportunities on the heavy side of the business to As we always do, we will stay to our core values of we have really 2 businesses that are 2 pure play businesses with to The heavy and light side with it, and that is going to be our focus areas is growing either one of those businesses with special to discuss on the heavy side of the business. Yes. Thank you. To thank you. Our next question comes from Anthony Pettinari with Citi. You may proceed with your question. Good morning. To In cement, you saw volumes down 2% in 4Q, I think ex Kosmos. And I'm guessing that was to Due to the weather impact, I'm just wondering if you could talk a little bit more about how volumes have trended quarter to date. And do you see that as kind of a potentially a good run rate for volumes over the course of the year in 'twenty two? To Yes. So Anthony, we had the little hiccup with the winter storm coming into play and we had some there. To Cement during this time of the year is more weather dependent than anything else with it. If we get lots of rain in areas, we have less shipments. To With what we look at for the demand drivers, which went through with the earnings with the preamble side, to Our demand across all markets is very strong. We've also talked to everybody on the in the past in earnings to this call is on the capacity expansions we've done with grinding mills and everything with it. Our cement plants pretty much across our network to Our near at capacity. So we feel very strong. The demand picture looks good. Our plants are operating well, and we should return to to A normal shipment schedule that you've seen in the past. Okay. That's helpful. And then on the JV, I think volumes were to Significantly below your wholly owned business. And was that due to disproportionate impact of the weather? Or I think you had some reduced oil well cement activity. To have you lapped that or do you start to lap that soon? Just any color there. Yes. Anthony, this is Craig. To Certainly, the winter storm impacted Texas in a way that we haven't seen in quite some time. So February was a rough month. To Yeah, the construction season has gotten off to a very good start here in April. Oil well cement really to Has become a non factor in this business for our company at least for the last several years. It hasn't been meaningful to thank you. Our next question comes from Jerry Revich with Goldman Sachs. You may proceed with your question. Yes. Hi, good morning, everyone. To Good morning, Jerry. I'm wondering if you could talk about just the range of strategic options that you evaluated to For each business, just expand on the opening remarks, if you wouldn't mind as well. It sounds like there was a really extensive process. I'm wondering if you could just to To the extent you can comment, just say more please. Yes, Jerry, look, I don't we wouldn't as a matter of course talk about specific to Items there. Look, I think as we've always done and we continue to do, it is turning over every rock to And trying to figure out the best ways to enhance shareholder value and growing the company. And that's where we would end it. To But it was a very extensive process, no doubt. Including acquisitions to And other business combinations beyond just separate listing, correct Craig? We have looked at every way to enhance Shareholder value and being very creative and we didn't leave any stone unturned. To Okay. Thank you. And Jerry, I might add to that, that continues, right. So we will continue to to go through that exercise and look for ways to enhance value and grow the company, again, against a very specific set of strategic priorities to And financial requirements as well. Okay, terrific. And then I'm wondering if you could talk about the wallboard pricing cadence to Over the course of the quarter, how did that evolve as you had additional job quotes rolling through? Did we to exit at a higher pricing point than we entered the quarter. Yes, I would say we were largely so remember, we had Price increase that was implemented in November, another one in early January and then the next price increase was in early April. So the quarter to It really reflects the January price increase. We try not to get too granular month by month, but to We're largely ended the quarter in line with the average and then the April price increase would be incremental to As would this additional June price increase that we recently announced. Okay. And Craig, to your point, between the April increase, to see The January increase and the June increase, I mean, we haven't seen this type of pricing in the market for to 5 or so years now. Can you talk about how you see the environment today comparing to 2012, 2013 timeframe to When you folks were posting price increases that are similar to what's been announced by the industry so far, what are your to Your key cyclical observations comparing this environment to the environment at that point? To Yes. Look, this is a very different demand environment that we're operating in. You've seen housing starts over the last to 9 to 12 months really accelerate and that's what's driving this opportunity is as demand has increased, to Michael highlighted in the beginning, you've got some supply constraints, certainly around the synthetic gypsum shortages and diminishing availability, utilization rates, to Station rates therefore are much higher than where we were in 20122013, just coming out of financial crisis. To Very much better demand environment than we've seen for quite, quite some time. Okay. Terrific. Thanks. To thank you. Our next question comes from Evan Hassevar with Darko's Research. You may proceed with your question. Hey, good morning, everybody. Wondering if you could comment on the Walgreens side. To I think you guys on your some of your investor presentations show you have about 4,000,000,000 square feet of to Namely capacity, you're operating at just under 3,000,000,000 square feet of sales volumes at this point. But I think, so to It seems like there's a lot of room to grow there. So I'm wondering how much capacity you do have to grow there because one of the things I think that I've at least learned currently is that to I think nameplate capacity for the entire industry is like 33,400,000,000 square feet, but it seems like we're operating well below that and we're in Pretty much sold out conditions with lead times extended and everything. So I'm curious how much capacity and maybe part of that is the synthetic gypsum shortage and some of the COVID related downtime some of these to But can you comment on can you ultimately sell 4,000,000,000 square feet? Can you get to that nameplate capacity? To How much room do you have to grow available capacity do you have to grow within that wallboard business? What's a realistic amount that these plants can actually produce, to I guess, an effective utilization you can get to. Yes. It's a good question. We look at our plants to Weekly or monthly on what the capacity is. Those capacities are good capacities that to publish out there that you quoted with it. We could get to those capacities. And the one advantage we have that Craig really highlighted to before is we own our natural gypsum reserves. So when we look at expansion opportunities or anything or bringing on to An additional line or increasing capacity at any of the facilities with it. It's really just a people and small amount of capital addition with it. To We are not constrained by raw material side of the business, which we feel some of our competitors may be constrained at some point to If the synthetic chips in market does go with the trend we're seeing today. Okay. And Can you comment on the OCC costs? What type of inflation did you see here in this quarter? And what type of impacts are you expecting in fiscal 2022? To Yeah. OCC prices, one of the raw material ingredients into paper. We've seen that tick up slightly over the last couple of months. To Just recall, Kevin, that the majority of that gets passed through. It does happen on a quarterly lag, but to Our supply agreements in the paper business allow for that pass through to happen. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. To Thank you. Our next question come from Adam Thalhimer with Thompson Davis. You may proceed with your question. Thanks. Good morning, guys. I wanted to ask on to Organic cement volumes, not sure how to think about those over the next couple of years, just given your preamble about to Capacity being tight. Is there anything you can do to expand capacity? Or is flat kind of the right expectation for the next couple of years? To We continuously look at ways to get an extra ton out of our facilities. If we can get that ton out, we're going to continue to be diligent on that side. To We have a fantastic engineering group that we've been able to squeeze extra capacity out. But right now, we are running at or near capacity at all of our to see the facilities. So we will continue to progress to see whatever ton we can get out of that facility, but I don't have a quantified value of what that would be. To All right. And then just kind of wanted to push back a little bit on your midterm housing outlook. Curious how you see to rising material prices playing into that. Yes. Look, Adam, it's a good question. I think to As many have said, we've under built homes in the U. S. Now for over a decade. And that has led to to an extreme shortage of homes in most markets. There's no existing homes for sale. And the only way to create inventory is to build new. To Albeit, while costs are going up, interest rates are still very low, affordability is still very good. To And this idea of going out to a single family home versus more of a densely populated multifamily unit to Has certainly continued to push the demand level for single family homes. So our view on the near term and the medium term is very positive, to It's very constructive around single family construction. Okay. And then just quickly, Craig, on state budgets. Is there any state to call out in terms of where you're seeing either improvement or cause for concern? To No, look, we're seeing good growth in DOT budgets across our network. And again, what we like about our network is to It's pretty diversified. We stretch from Northern California all the way east to Ohio and Pennsylvania and South Texas. So to Our markets are in good shape. Those state budgets are in good shape as well. Okay. Thank you. To Thank you. Our next question comes from Bill Ng with Jefferies. You may proceed with your question. Hey, good morning, guys. To So it looks like you're pretty much sold out in cement in your footprint. Do you have any color in terms of how to Your competitors are running, are they running pretty full in the regions that you compete in? And then any color in terms of the markets that you're in where it's a little more tight. I mean, you kind of hinted that Texas is obviously quite tight because you're going for a second increase there. Yes. Phil, we don't want to speculate on where our to Competitors are with it. We'll talk a little bit about ourselves. And as you stated, we're pretty much at to Capacity at our cement facilities across our network. So we see the demand fundamentals in the markets we operate as very strong at this time. To Okay. And outside of Saks' are there any markets that you compete in cement where you've seen your competitors actually announced a second cement price increase already? Appreciate it, Michael. You're still assessing at this point. Yes. Again, to I don't want to talk about what our competitors may or may not be doing. We evaluate each of our markets independently to And we look at ourselves and say, what does our supply demand outlook look like and what does our cost structure look like and we make our decision independently. To Okay. Fair enough. Wallboard demand was up a solid 3%, but just given how strong housing is to And the way you kind of characterized the demand backdrop, I would have thought shipments might have been a little better. Was there any pre buyback dynamic in the quarter? And did you see any impact to From storms that may have weighed on shipments in the quarter. Yes. Phil, I would point you to the latter. To Pre buy activity was interesting a decade ago when economic activity was low. It's less interesting today. To But that winter storm really did shut things down, especially in Texas for pushing 10 days and And then you got to remobilize crews and etcetera. So I would have told you as you looked at the cadence during the quarter, to The January March months were very, very strong where February just had a big impact from the storm. Okay. Super helpful. Sorry, just one last one. To Michael, you highlighted SYNGF having an impact on potentially down the road or now to On the synthetic gypsum side, have you seen extra tightness in the market where some of your competitors have had to like idle capacity or the cost could really tick up? To And then I know in 2018, when freight did get a little tighter, that kind of limited your ability in just the broader market, to Moving board around so that naturally tightened the market as well. So just curious, both on the synthetic gypsum side as well as freight, to Are you seeing a Natch governor dynamic in terms of supply just creating a little tighter market all in all? To Yes. And Philip, how to answer that is, we have one plant in the East Coast area that we do run synthetic gypsum. We have a fantastic to partner with Santee Cooper there that we have a great relationship with. To The only perspectives I could give you on that is that plant has been at capacity, and we continuously look at how we get the next to MSF of board out of that plant with it. So it's something that we look at continuously to On that side, and the demand in that market has been strong. And in the freight dynamic, to Yes. Freight dynamic, that's an interesting point. We continue to monitor the freight side with the business right now. And to That's one thing that is a higher cost driver for us. So we're going to continue to keep monitoring that. We've seen a little bit of creep on the freight rates to And we'll continue to watch that and work with our suppliers, our vendors on that side with it. But it is something that we are going to watch closely over the coming term. Okay, super. Thanks a lot, guys. To Thank you. Our next question comes from Josh Wilson with Raymond James. You may proceed with your question. Good execution despite the tough weather. Thanks, Josh. To Wanted to get into the strategic growth opportunities you talked about being better addressed as a combined company. Can you give us to sense of how much that was an inorganic comment versus an organic comment and what the possible timing of either of those might be? To Yes. Look, it's certainly an organic discussion. To The building of new facilities, more greenfield or organic, is something that we could manage. And but again, to Because of permitting restrictions, difficult to do that in a meaningful way. So it's really looking at the M and A landscape to Where the larger transactions are. And again, we won't go into specifics, but certainly, that's the direction we're talking about. To And as we think about your capital needs, your guidance for 2022 is still not where you were prior to the pandemic. To how should we think about either the split maintenance versus growth or how that might evolve in the coming years? To Yes. So look, this past year at $54,000,000 was on the low end of the sustaining needs of the business. It's closer to $60,000,000 to $70,000,000 type of level, which again is what you might consider low. I would say pre pandemic, there were a number of large to Expansion projects we're going through, for example, the paper mill, as that's completed, to That doesn't happen again. So it's going to be in this range until there's specific projects to That meet our hurdle rates. But this is kind of where the business is. And as well, you love these businesses. They don't require tremendous amount of cash to show on an annual basis. That's why they do have a high free cash flow generation capability. To Got it. Thanks. Thank you. And our next question comes from Keith Hughes with Churys. You may proceed with your to assume. Thank you. We've heard a lot over the last couple of weeks about some non residential construction seeing some life. To I guess my question for you, particularly on the cement side, are your salespeople starting to see quotation activity things picking up to see a pickup in that business this calendar year or next. Yes. Look, the nonresidential the private nonresidential construction to Side is really the hardest to predict. There's so many subcategories as we highlighted to Earlier, things like warehouses, data centers, those things have been strong and are only continuing to grow. To And as you say, some of these other sectors, subcategories are starting to percolate and improve a little bit. To I'd add to that, right, then you got to look at geographically where you are. And again, we're fortunate where we're located, to Better economies generally. So New York might be very different than Texas, for example. We're not in New York. To And then I'd last add to that. We don't necessarily sell direct to a specific job. We're selling through to A ready mix company or on the wallboard side would be a distributor. So we don't have the direct end consumer project in to But I think I generally agree with you that the non res side has started to pick up a little bit. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. And I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Michael Haack for any further remarks. Thanks, Josh. Thank you all for joining us today, and we look forward to to talk to you again here in a couple of months. To thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.