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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

Jan 27, 2022

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to Forestar's first quarter 2022 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode, and the floor will be open for your questions and comments following the presentation. I will now turn the call over to Katie Smith, Director of Finance and Investor Relations for Forestar.

Katie Smith
Director of Finance and Investor Relations, Forestar Group

Thank you, Catherine. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the call to discuss Forestar's first quarter results. Thank you for joining us. Before we get started, today's call includes forward-looking statements as defined by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Although Forestar believes any such statements are based on reasonable assumptions, there is no assurance that actual outcomes will not be materially different. All forward-looking statements are based upon information available to Forestar on the date of this conference call, and we do not undertake any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements publicly. Additional information about factors that could lead to material changes in performance is contained in Forestar's Annual Report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC. This afternoon's earnings release is on our website at investor.forestar.com, and we plan to file our 10-Q tomorrow.

After this call, we will post an updated investor presentation to our investor relations site under Events and Presentations for your reference. Now I will turn the call over to Dan Bartok, our CEO.

Dan Bartok
President and CEO, Forestar Group

Thank you, Katie, and good afternoon, everyone. In addition to Katie, I am pleased to be joined on the call today by Jim Allen, our Chief Financial Officer. As reflected in our results, we had a strong start to our fiscal year. I'd like to start the call by thanking the Forestar team. People are the key to our business, and I continue to be extremely proud of our excellent performance, our team's ability to execute, and the operational platform that we have built. Our outstanding first quarter is a direct result of the team's capabilities and commitment to Forestar. During the quarter, we maintained our momentum by achieving significant revenue growth and margin expansion. The highlight of the first quarter is an 84% increase in our net income to $40.5 million or $0.81 of earnings per diluted share.

Forestar achieved an 83% increase in pre-tax income to $53.5 million, and our pre-tax profit margin expanded 360 basis points year-over-year to 13.1%. Revenue increased 33% to $407.6 million, primarily driven by a 27% increase in lot deliveries to 4,516 lots. We continued to make progress delivering more lots from Forestar-sourced projects. 22% of our lots sold in the quarter were Forestar-sourced, compared to 13% in the first quarter of 2021. This, combined with our strategy of pricing lots closer to the time of completion, enabled Forestar to take advantage of favorable market conditions when setting finished lot prices. We are maintaining our focus on development projects and are doing less lot banking than a year ago.

As a result, our gross profit margin expanded 360 basis points to 18%, compared to 14.4% in the fourth quarter of 2021. We continued to increase our market share in the highly fragmented lot development industry. Forestar made further progress selling lots to third-party customers while growing our lots sold to D.R. Horton as a percentage of D.R. Horton's closings, both year- over- year and sequentially. We estimate our national market share is now 2.2%, up from 1.4% a year ago based on Forestar's trailing twelve-month lot deliveries and new single-family homes sold in calendar year 2021. Our intermediate-term goal is to achieve 5% national market share, representing 1 out of every 20 new homes sold in the U.S. being built on a Forestar-developed lot.

Our increasing profitability is translating into higher returns for our shareholders. Forestar achieved a 13.2% return on equity for the trailing twelve months ended December 31, 2021. This was a 550 basis point improvement from the same period a year ago and our seventh consecutive quarter of ROE improvement. This continued improvement further demonstrates that our high turnover, lower risk manufacturing strategy is fundamentally stronger than that of a traditional land developer. We expect our platform will gain additional maturity and scale as our team continues to capture market share in their respective markets. This will drive further improvements to our returns on equity and inventory. We'll now discuss our first quarter financial results in more detail. Jim?

Jim Allen
CFO, Forestar Group

Thank you, Dan. In the first quarter, Forestar's net income increased 84% to $40.5 million or $0.81 per diluted share, compared to $22 million or $0.46 per diluted share in the prior year quarter. Consolidated first quarter revenues increased 33% to $407.6 million, which included $3.5 million of tract sales and other revenue. Lots sold increased 27% year-over-year to 4,516 lots, with an average sales price of $89,000. Our ASP was higher this quarter due to the mix of lot deliveries from communities in higher price point markets.

We expect our ASP will continue to fluctuate quarter to quarter based on the geographic location and lot size mix of our deliveries. Ninety-seven percent of lots sold were from development projects, up from 87% in the same quarter of 2021. Eighty-nine percent of Forestar's first quarter lot deliveries were sold to D.R. Horton, down from 95% in the first quarter of fiscal 2021. We sold 502 lots to eight customers other than D.R. Horton during the quarter, which was a 182% increase in lots sold to other customers compared to the prior year quarter. Dan?

Dan Bartok
President and CEO, Forestar Group

Our pre-tax income for the first quarter was $53.5 million with a pre-tax profit margin of 13.1%. This was an improvement of 360 basis points over the prior year quarter. Our gross profit margin was 18%, also a 360 basis point increase from 14.4% a year ago. As I mentioned earlier, this improvement was primarily due to increased margins on lot sales from development projects, which was largely driven by capitalizing on the strong demand for finished lots. SG&A expense as a percentage of revenue in the first quarter was 5.3% compared to 5% in the prior year quarter. We are extremely pleased with the progress we have made building our team, and we continue to attract high quality talent.

We remain focused on managing our SG&A efficiently while building out our infrastructure to support our significant growth. We believe we will continue to manage our business at a mid-single digit SG&A percentage. Katie?

Katie Smith
Director of Finance and Investor Relations, Forestar Group

Forestar's underwriting criteria for new development projects includes a minimum 15% annual pre-tax return on inventory and a return of the initial cash investment within 36 months. During the first quarter, investments in land and land development totaled $380 million, of which $135 million was for land and $245 million was for land development. Forestar's lot position at December 31 was 103,300 lots, of which 65,700 lots were owned and 37,600 lots were controlled through purchase contracts. At quarter end, we had 4,900 finished lots on hand. Finished lots have accounted for less than 10% of Forestar's owned portfolio for 5 consecutive quarters, demonstrating continued strength in demand.

At December 31, 54% of our owned lots were sourced by Forestar, up from 46% a year ago. As Dan said in his opening remarks, 22% of lots sold in the quarter were from Forestar sourced projects, up from 13% a year ago. That percentage will continue to trend higher as more Forestar sourced projects start to deliver lots. Growth in Forestar sourced projects supports further improvement in our gross margins, and we expect that percentage of our portfolios to continue to increase over time. We also have good visibility into future revenues. Of our 65,700 owned lots, 30% are under contract to sell to D.R. Horton, representing approximately $1.5 billion of future revenue.

Another 28% of our owned lots are subject to a right of first offer to D.R. Horton based on executed purchase and sale agreements. We remain very disciplined when investing in new projects, and our acquisition teams are finding ample opportunities that meet our underwriting criteria. We reiterate our plan to invest at least $1.75 billion in land and land development during fiscal 2022, subject to market conditions, and are continuing to target a 3-4 year owned inventory of lands and lots. Jim?

Jim Allen
CFO, Forestar Group

Forestar remains focused on maintaining a strong balance sheet with ample liquidity and modest leverage. At December 31, we had approximately $500 million of liquidity, including $160 million of unrestricted cash and $340 million of available capacity on our revolving credit facility. Total debt at December 31 was $705 million, with no senior note maturities until 2026, and our net debt to capital ratio at quarter end was 33.9%. Forestar's capital structure is one of our key competitive advantages and allows us the ability to price lots later in the development process. Most traditional land developers are encumbered by project-level financing, which inhibits them from pricing lots closer to completion after development costs are finalized. Additionally, project-level financing can make accelerating or slowing development to match market conditions more difficult.

With our access to institutional corporate-level financing, Forestar has unparalleled flexibility. At December 31, stockholders' equity was $1.1 billion, and our book value per share increased to $21.29, up 15% from a year ago. Dan?

Dan Bartok
President and CEO, Forestar Group

Given the strength of our first quarter results and the current market conditions, we are increasing our fiscal 2022 guidance. We now expect to deliver between 19,500 and 20,000 lots this year and to generate approximately $1.7 billion of revenue. We expect our pre-tax profit margin to be between 13.5% and 14% for the fiscal year. Consistent with our last earnings call, we expect revenue to be higher in the second half of the year than the first half, and we expect lower pre-tax profit margins in the first half of the year compared to the second half due to the quarterly mix of expected lot deliveries and, to a lesser extent, operating leverage. Finally, we expect our effective tax rate in fiscal 2022 to be approximately 24.5%.

The core drivers of our business remain healthy and strong, and our teams and contractors continue to outperform our expectations. The accomplishments of our teams, combined with our growth plan and proven business model, give us confidence in Forestar's ability to execute through the remainder of our fiscal year and beyond. We're extremely excited about the opportunities ahead of us. Forestar is uniquely positioned to gain market share, increase profitability, and generate meaningful value for our shareholders. Catherine, at this time, we'll open up the line for questions.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the floor is now open for questions. If you have any questions or comments, please press star one on your phone now. We ask that while posing your question, you please pick up your handset if listening on speakerphone to provide optimum sound quality. Please hold a moment while we poll for questions. Your first question is coming from Carl Reichardt. Your line is live.

Carl Reichardt
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, BTIG

Hey everyone, how are you doing? Thanks for taking the time today. I have a couple for you. One, the market share story is obviously really important here for the long-term growth of the company. I'm curious, maybe Jim or Dan, you talk about the private peers project-level financing. What kind of basis point capital advantage do you have? What do their debt structures look like? If the market begins to slow some due to rates or whatever, what's your anticipation of how financing sources will look at those private peers and what they might do? What kind of advantage would that provide you, given the stability of your capital sources?

Dan Bartok
President and CEO, Forestar Group

You know, Carl, I don't know that I would call it a basis point advantage as much as it's a structural and operational advantage. You know, I go back to, you know, when times are tough, you know, banks tend to wanna pull in their financing. If one project has a problem, you know, the banks have to figure out how to balance that loan or rebalance that loan either through additional equity. Then oftentimes these deals are all cross-collateralized for developers. So it just really gives them an administrative issue. The other thing that I think really helps for us is our ability to pay really rapidly their contractors.

I think if anything, that does probably generate better cost pricing for us than someone who has to go through the bank loan draw process on a, you know, every month. Where, you know, we cut bills like weekly and or cut checks weekly. I mean, our people, they get that invoice in, and it gets approved and paid, you know, pretty rapidly. I think it's more of an operational advantage than I'd say a debt pricing advantage. However, you know, we do have fixed rate financing, you know.

You know, for a long period of time, that again, we can kind of, you know, control on a more conservative basis than I think what happens when a project gets all of a sudden funded on a loan-to-cost basis, and costs go up, and then how do they balance that loan against new cost structures. You know, oftentimes, you know, the banks will require to have those sale contracts in hand before they even fund the land acquisition, so they're locking in their, you know, their sale price even before they really might know their final development costs. I think there's all kinds of advantages. Just don't know that it's purely based on the debt pricing itself.

Carl Reichardt
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, BTIG

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you, Dan. Whether it's Horton or some of your other customers, are you seeing demand for communities with larger lot positions increase? We've heard obviously from some who are self-developing that that's the direction they're kind of headed. If that's an overall trend, what does that mean for your margins or growth absorption?

Dan Bartok
President and CEO, Forestar Group

Yeah, I don't know that we really look at it that way. You know, the demand for lots is strong, whether it's a 99-lot community or a 300-lot community. You know, like, but we also only price based on what we think is a phase or, you know, roughly a year's worth of demand. Then, you know, as we develop that next phase, we'll put more lots on the ground. We can accelerate it or slow it down based on demand, but we really kind of focus on the phase-by-phase aspect of the larger communities. Although in some cases, we're delivering multiple product types, so we have room for, you know, a builder to have different products in there or even bring in multiple builders into the same projects.

I think overall, I probably see more builders competing on land acquisitions for larger projects than I did in the past. As far as the lots, I, you know, if they can get a lot position, I think, you know, frankly, we just recently did a 28 lot deal that made a lot of sense, you know. The size of it, I don't think is really that important for people wanting to buy the finished lots.

Carl Reichardt
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, BTIG

Okay. Yeah, thank you. If I can squeeze one more in just on the horizontal side. If you're, you know, we've talked a little about some additional time it's taking to get lots ready to go. Do you see that as a function of? Is it cities and approval processes? Is it a shortage of graders? Is it a shortage of, or expensive, hard to get pipe? Can you just maybe talk a little bit about the if there are significant or meaningful supply chain challenges you're seeing now and when you might expect those to abate if you're seeing them? Thanks a bunch.

Dan Bartok
President and CEO, Forestar Group

You know, it's funny, you know, on an overall basis, from where I sit today than where I sat maybe six months ago, I don't feel like the supply chain is getting worse for us. If anything, I think we've learned how to adapt a little better, order material sooner in the development process, and really be able to deliver lots. You know, it really hasn't extended as much as maybe I had anticipated. You can kind of see that in our first quarter results. You know, I think we probably guided everybody even though we didn't give direct numbers that, you know, we did better than we thought we would this quarter, and I think that showed. The areas that I'd say make me the most nervous is frankly, the utility companies.

It's getting projects hot, getting transformers on site, and getting the utility companies to get electricity to the lots is probably where I see the biggest issue. It's sporadic. It's not nationwide, but it is, you know, clearly in different parts of the country, we're seeing that similar theme. The other is a little bit in getting acceptance from the cities, where they don't have the same staffing to you know, to really manage that final acceptance process like, because of the volume.

Carl Reichardt
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, BTIG

Dan, thank you so much. Take care, guys. Thanks a lot.

Dan Bartok
President and CEO, Forestar Group

Okay, Carl. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question is coming from Deepa Raghavan. Your line is live.

Deepa Raghavan
Senior Equity Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Hi. Good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking the call. First question, you know, obviously topical interest rates. Dan, does any of the upward pressure in rates that, you know, that's upcoming, does that change your capital raising strategy or any of your balance sheet dynamics?

Dan Bartok
President and CEO, Forestar Group

Well, you know, we've always been pretty strategic in our capital raising strategies, both in debt and equity. I think we're gonna continue to be strategic. And when the opportunities make sense for us, you know, we will continue to grow our capital stack. I think the thing that I feel maybe better about almost daily, you know, one day to the next, is that we can really continue to maintain a pretty strong growth rate without expanding that capital base. I mean, just being able to reinvest our earnings. Look, you know, the earnings we had in this quarter alone is, you know, really helps fuel that future growth.

If we just continue operating the way we are, we're not really that dependent on, you know, adding to our debt or equity stack to, you know, to really fuel the growth, that path that we're on.

Deepa Raghavan
Senior Equity Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. Just following up on Carl's question, but just slightly differently. Does this upward pressure change any of the competitive nature of the industry that you're in, specifically to land development? Does it mean now, I mean, maybe some of your peers, you know, may be unable to compete in this environment, and you probably can have a better advantage. Is there any of those possible, just given where the interest rates are probably headed?

Dan Bartok
President and CEO, Forestar Group

Yeah. I think it.

Deepa Raghavan
Senior Equity Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Will it still be low enough that it may not make impact, you know, in the next couple of years? I don't know. Just, you know, any color there.

Dan Bartok
President and CEO, Forestar Group

Yeah. I mean, at this point, I can't say that we're seeing any change in the demand for lots. I think, you know, there's I think the demand for lots still outstrips the supply, which, you know, obviously has given us some pricing power. I think if the market does soften, I know I've alluded to this in past calls, but if the market does soften, I think, you know, there's gonna be some things that actually will help, I believe will help our business model and gain market share. One is that, you know, or home builders historically will stop buying land and wanna focus more on buying developed lots and stop developing their own lots sooner in the cycle. I think that the banks will be more hesitant to do project-level financing for the smaller and local developers.

I think just those two things alone really help our business, so that even though overall market demand might slow, I believe we still have an ability to continue to grow market share.

Deepa Raghavan
Senior Equity Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. That's fair. Last one. Pretty strong raise to margins. Can you talk to some of the drivers behind that, and specifically address, you know, is that all coming mainly because of your mix, your, you know, self-sourced lots? Or is there, you know, is there a leverage benefit or any other dynamic that's helping you know, raise your margin guide pretty substantially?

Jim Allen
CFO, Forestar Group

Hi, Deepa. This is Jim. Primarily, you know, the increases come from, you know, more development project lots sold and really more Forestar-sourced lots. We've talked about that during the call. The flexibility that Forestar-sourced projects give us, compared to builder-sourced projects, that allows us to price lots later or closer to when we're ready to sell them. That's really probably the biggest driver of the increase in margin.

Deepa Raghavan
Senior Equity Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

All right. Thanks very much. Appreciate it, Dan and Jim. Take care. Bye.

Dan Bartok
President and CEO, Forestar Group

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question is coming from Truman Patterson. Your line is live.

Truman Patterson
Director and Senior Research Analyst, Homebuilders and Building Products, Wolfe Research

Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Look, clearly investors are worried about a sustained downturn in housing right now, not necessarily our view. Can you just remind us how much of your finished lot cost is discretionary development? In the event of a downturn, do you all pull back on development, shore up liquidity to take advantage of the land market, or do you continue developing, taking market share, you know, using that structural advantage you discussed earlier?

Dan Bartok
President and CEO, Forestar Group

Yeah, I think to answer your first question, Truman, you know, about 30% of the cost of a finished lot for us to develop that lot is in the land itself, and about 70% is in the development cost, the grading, the pipe in the ground, the streets, you know, the things that make it a finished lot. That ratio, again, although it varies from market to market, I think overall for us, you know, with our national footprint, it still stays pretty close to what we thought it was a couple of years ago. I haven't seen any big change in that. You know, as far as what happens going forward, yeah, I think a little bit the same way that the builders will react.

Our first thing will be to slow up land purchases, but we'll really look at every project individually and not necessarily make a blanket reaction to all of our projects. We'll look at where, you know, where are sales still strong, where is traffic in the model still strong, and kind of make those decisions again on, you know, the timing of putting those next phases on the ground. You know, the key is I can't sell a lot if it isn't finished, right? I want, you know, having those finished lots on the ground, I think will continue to be key for us. We will be very cognizant of keeping that strong balance sheet.

I think as we've said, you know, several times before, is trying to take advantage of if land prices do reset and give us the opportunity to gain market share. You know, the key is we try to continue to keep that strong balance sheet and really look at project by project, where the strength is versus the weakness.

Truman Patterson
Director and Senior Research Analyst, Homebuilders and Building Products, Wolfe Research

Okay. You know, you mentioned in the event of a downturn, possibly, you know, pulling back in the weaker markets, right? Currently in the current environment, are there any areas in the country where you're intentionally curbing land acquisition markets you might perceive as a bit frothy?

Dan Bartok
President and CEO, Forestar Group

Well, I think I know the investor presentation probably isn't live yet, but, you know, we have that map on there. You'll probably see that some of our owned and controlled lot totals are lower in kind of the Western states, being Washington, Oregon, Utah, where it probably has come down a little bit, whereas over the rest of the country continues to grow. Some of that is a function of high land prices, accelerating land prices, as well as, you know, the tougher regulatory environment and, you know, a little bit harder to get those lots on the ground. As far as, you know, I think there's a second question there, where am I seeing rapid land inflation?

Yeah.

I think my answer is the same as last quarter. In Austin, Texas, and Phoenix are probably where we're seeing, you know, pretty big increases in, you know, the price to buy land. Again, you know, the demand has been extremely strong. I think that so far those markets have been able to absorb those land increases for now.

Truman Patterson
Director and Senior Research Analyst, Homebuilders and Building Products, Wolfe Research

Yeah, I know. That's definitely encouraging that you haven't seen any deceleration in lot demand despite the uptick in rates. When I'm looking at your SG&A, it, you know, ticked up slightly year-over-year. Just trying to understand the driver of that and whether we should expect some leverage on this line in 2022 or, you know, more costs as you continue to build out your infrastructure nationwide.

Dan Bartok
President and CEO, Forestar Group

Yeah. You know, we've continued to try to guide to the mid-single digits, kind of in that, you know, maybe 5%-6% range. I think, you know, the uptick is mostly timing. We're continuing to build out our teams in our core markets. You know, overall for the year, I think we really kind of look at that, at the, our PTI number and probably expect our SG&A, if you net it out, to be pretty close to what it was last year on a percentage basis. So I don't really see a lot of, leverage to the good, but I don't really see it, you know. I don't see this being a trend.

If I was at 5% last quarter or 4.8% where we were last quarter and 5.3%, it's not like it's going up significantly. It's mostly the timing of opening offices and adding people and how, you know, how that kind of, you know, hits the timing versus when those lots are being delivered.

Truman Patterson
Director and Senior Research Analyst, Homebuilders and Building Products, Wolfe Research

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Your next question is coming from Mike Rehaut. Your line is live.

Doug Wardlaw
Equity Research Analyst, JPMorgan Chase & Co

Hi, Doug Wardlaw on for Mike Rehaut. You guys updated your annual lot guidance this quarter, and I was wondering if you guys could give a further breakdown on how you think that's gonna shake out throughout the year and, you know, if there are some changes or you guys feel there could be potential changes, what could be some drivers of that?

Katie Smith
Director of Finance and Investor Relations, Forestar Group

Yeah. We did increase our lot guidance by 500 lots. Like we said in our scripted remarks, Dan alluded to it. We expect for the higher revenue to come in the back half of the year relative to the first half of the year. That's where we're going to see probably the greatest pickup. Did that answer your question, or do you have anything else?

Doug Wardlaw
Equity Research Analyst, JPMorgan Chase & Co

Yeah, I just was curious on, I know it's only 500 lots, but I knew you guys were talking about the uptick in rates. Like, is that something that's already been accounted for, moving forward in terms of the lot guidance as well?

Katie Smith
Director of Finance and Investor Relations, Forestar Group

Yes, we definitely considered that when we were updating our guidance. We've just really continued to see strength in demand and a lot of demand for our lots, and we've been able to develop them a little bit quicker than we had originally anticipated. We were thinking that the supply chain might deteriorate further, and we really haven't seen that happen. We just felt more comfortable saying that we were going to deliver more lots this year than we did last quarter.

Doug Wardlaw
Equity Research Analyst, JPMorgan Chase & Co

Awesome. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question is coming from Anthony Pettinari. Your line is live.

Asher Sohnen
Equity Research Senior Associate, Citi Research

Hi, this is Asher Sohnen on for Anthony. I was just wondering, I think previously you guided to about $1.75 billion of, you know, land spend, development spend in 2022. I was just wondering if that's still intact. Just, you know, that kind of implies maybe, you know, high single-digit growth over 2021, you know, compared to your, you know, roughly 24% lot delivery guidance growth. I'm just wondering. I mean, that makes sense given, you know, you're at the, maybe at the higher end of your 3- 4 year target range for your supplies of own lots.

I was just wondering, you know, going forward is maybe high single digit growth in land spend what you expect for the next couple of years, or maybe does it step down in 2023, or how should I think about that?

Katie Smith
Director of Finance and Investor Relations, Forestar Group

Yeah, this is Katie. I'll take that too. We expect to spend at least $1.75 billion in land and land development this year. That's really our baseline. If we see good opportunities or need to accelerate development, that number could obviously fluctuate higher. We feel really good about being able to put that to invest that amount of capital in land and land development this year. Going forward, yeah, I would say that sounds about right, but what we've you know really always said is we have a very good lot position that we've built up so far, and now we really wanna develop all of that land and start to generate earnings from those dollars that we had already invested.

You'll see a greater proportion of our land and land development spend go into development versus just, you know, acquiring new positions.

Asher Sohnen
Equity Research Senior Associate, Citi Research

Okay. Thanks. That's helpful. You know, you talked a lot about that demand for lots on the part of the builders remains strong, you know, in spite of rates, etcetera. I was just wondering, well, in terms of how pricing negotiations are going for your uncontracted lots. I mean, you know, on a national level, we may be seeing some of the home price appreciation start to slow a little bit, lose some momentum. I'm just wondering if any of that is reflected in kind of the conversations you're having with builders in terms of price growth on your deliveries.

Dan Bartok
President and CEO, Forestar Group

You know, builders never like to see lot prices go up. I'd say every time that we start off with a pricing discussion, there's pushback. You know, our goal is to find that balance between what we think is, you know, the best price we can achieve, but at the same time, making sure there's velocity in those subdivisions. Because again, with our return focus model, you know, velocity is every bit as important as the margin that we're getting, and we're really focused on asset turns. Every conversation, you know, they always say that their pricing's, that, you know, "Oh, we can't pay that." But we always find a way to come to a resolution. There's lots of demand. You know, the

One of the nice things of the way the master supply agreement works is the right of first offer process. It does allow us to really find what we think is that right market price. You know, again, considering velocity into the equation. You know, we get a lot of builders that we continue to get good pricing discovery. It's, I say, every project's a little different. It's finding, you know. I don't know how many. I probably said it more times than I should. It's that balance, it's that fine balance between price and velocity that we're concerned with.

Katie Smith
Director of Finance and Investor Relations, Forestar Group

Yeah. This is Katie. I would also add, you know, if rates do rise really quickly and we do see some sort of a slowdown in housing, we might see a buyer's pause while they digest those new rates. But we're really focused on developing lots for affordably priced homes. You know, we still believe that there will be demand for new affordably priced homes. We feel confident in our business model.

Asher Sohnen
Equity Research Senior Associate, Citi Research

Understood. Thanks for taking my questions. I'll turn it over.

Operator

We have no further questions from the lines at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back to Dan Bartok for closing remarks.

Dan Bartok
President and CEO, Forestar Group

Let's see. Thank you, Catherine, and thank you to everyone on the Forestar team for your focus and hard work. We look forward to working together as we strive for increased efficiencies while continuing our growth. We appreciate everyone's time on the call today and look forward to speaking with you again in April to share our second quarter results. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect at this time and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.

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