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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Mar 9, 2023

Operator

Good morning, welcome to the American Express Global Business Travel Fourth Quarter and F ull Year 2022 Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, please note today's call is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to the Vice President of Investor Relations, Barry Sievert. Sir, please go ahead, sir.

Barry Sievert
VP of Investor Relations, American Express Global Business Travel

Hello, good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter earnings conference call. This morning we issued an earnings press release which is available on the SEC and on our website at investors.amexglobalbusinesstravel.com. The slide presentation that accompanies today's prepared remarks is also available on the Amex GBT investor relations webpage. We would like to advise you that our comments contain forward-looking statements that represent our beliefs or expectations about future events, including the duration and effects of COVID-19, industry events, cost savings, and acquisition synergies, among others. All forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from the statements made on today's conference call. More information on these and other risks and uncertainties is contained in our earnings release issued this morning and our other SEC filings.

Throughout today's call, we will also be presenting certain non-GAAP financial measures such as EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, adjusted operating expenses, free cash flow, and net debt. All references during today's call to such non-GAAP financial measures have been adjusted to exclude certain items. Definitions of these terms and the most directly comparable GAAP measures and the reconciliations for non-GAAP measures are available in the supplemental materials of this presentation and in the earnings release. Participating with me on the call today are Paul Abbott, our Chief Executive Officer, and Martine Gerow, our Chief Financial Officer. Also joining for the Q&A session is Eric Bock, our C hief Legal Officer and Head of Global M&A. I'll now turn the call over to Paul. Paul?

Paul Abbott
CEO, Global Business Travel Group

Well, thank you, Barry, welcome to everyone. Thank you very much for joining our fourth quarter earnings call. I'd like to kick off by reviewing the fourth quarter highlights before turning it over to Martine Gerow, who will take us through the financials in more detail. Then we're gonna go through our outlook and our guidance for 2023. Before I get into Q4 earnings, I'd just like to make a couple of comments to address the 8-K that we filed on Tuesday. Martine Gerow, who is our Chief Financial Officer, will step down from her role to take a new position outside of the company. Karen Williams, who joined Amex GBT as Deputy CFO in May of last year as part of our succession planning process for the CFO role, will take over effective July the first.

Karen joined us from IHG, as well as prior to that, working at Avios, which is part of IAG, and also American Express, where Karen has held a series of senior financial leadership roles. Martine is going to be with us until the end of June. We have plenty of time for a very thoughtful and orderly transition. I do want to extend my sincere thank you to Martine for her leadership and her significant contribution to our business in her five and a half years as CFO. Martine helped navigate the organization through the financial impact of a global pandemic and of course was also instrumental in leading the successful listing of the company. Welcome, and congratulations to Karen and of course, Martine. Turning back to the fourth quarter.

We reported a strong finish to 2022, driven by continued recovery, record new wins, and margin expansion. Our full year revenue and adjusted EBITDA were both ahead of guidance at $1.85 billion and $103 million, respectively. Revenue recovery for the fourth quarter reached 75% of pro forma 2019 levels, that was up from 72% in the third quarter. Our fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA was $43 million, with an 8% adjusted EBITDA margin. Pleased to say we're also on the path toward positive free cash flow, with significantly reduced cash usage in the fourth quarter. Free cash flow usage in the quarter declined significantly to $25 million. We also continue to accelerate our momentum in SME.

The SME space, we benefit from offering a choice of market-leading solutions, Amex GBT, and Egencia, and Ovation, in what is a very large and unconsolidated segment, a segment that has the fastest growth rates and the highest margins in the industry. Our SME transaction recovery reached 82% in Q4. That was up from 80% in Q3. Our SME new wins value totaled $2.1 billion in the full year 2022. That is at the current recovery levels. Now that we have reached what is a meaningful point in the travel recovery, please note that we are reporting our new wins for SME and overall-Using the current recovery levels instead of the previous 2019 pre-COVID levels. That's to make it easier for analysts and investors to model the impact of those new wins on our current volumes.

In addition to the strong SME momentum, I am pleased to report that new wins value and customer satisfaction levels are also both at all-time highs, which I think really demonstrates the value of our industry-leading service and technology and software and savings. Our strong momentum positions us well for continued strong growth ahead. Transaction recovery reached 72% of pro forma 2019 in the fourth quarter. That was up from 71% in Q3, and importantly, up 26 points year-over-year. Our new wins momentum, I think it shows that we continue to deliver on the significant organic growth opportunity that we have. Total new wins value for the full year 2022 was $3.5 billion. Again, that's at current recovery levels. Finally, and obviously equally importantly, our customer retention rate for the full year remains stable at 95%.

Overall, we exceeded our 2022 guidance for both revenue and adjusted EBITDA. We delivered on the share gains on SME acceleration and exceeded the $25 million synergy target that we had from the Egencia acquisition. As we look ahead to 2023, feel that we are well positioned for continued strong growth. On slide 6, let's just take a closer look at the continuing recovery where our performance continued to improve throughout the quarter. Transaction recovery was at 72% of 2019, that was up 1 point sequentially and 25 points versus Q1. We're clearly outpacing the broader market. 72% transaction recovery compares to the GBTA January survey that found the recovery of domestic business travel at 67% and international at 54%.

That compares to our 72% transaction recovery and 75% revenue recovery in the fourth quarter, clearly outpacing the broader market. Looking at Q4, December was softer than expected across the industry, but we have seen a significant rebound of transaction volumes in January and February. As I'm going to discuss in more detail, the outlook for business travel demand in 2023 remains strong. TTV recovery reached 70% in the fourth quarter. That was consistent with Q3, and it was up 31 points versus Q1. Finally, revenue recovery was at 75% in Q4, up three points from Q3 and up 25 points from the first quarter. Here we just take a look at the recovery trends in more detail.

First of all, you'll see by customer segment, global multinational customer recovery remained pretty steady in the fourth quarter versus the third quarter, while SME customers continued to lead the recovery. Q4 SME transactions were 21 percentage points above global multinational and reached 82% of 2019, driven by obviously a faster recovery in that segment, but also by our significant share gains in the SME segment. Air recovery was stable in the fourth quarter at 66% and hotel recovery up two points versus Q3. Hotel transaction recovery was 14 percentage points above air in the fourth quarter, and this is an important strategic priority for us. We're making good progress increasing that ratio of hotel to air bookings, and we're doing that through improved hotel content and hotel displays in both our Egencia and Neo software platforms.

Finally here on a regional basis, both the Americas and EMEA continued to improve in Q4. Within the Americas, if you unpack that, U.S. recovery actually reached 71% in the fourth quarter. Canada was a little slower to recover. EMEA recovered by two percentage points versus Q3 and reached 74% of 2019 levels. Now that the travel restrictions have been certainly either relaxed or removed in China and Hong Kong and Singapore, it provides additional opportunity for growth and recovery in Asia in 2023. Let's turn to our commercial highlights for the fourth quarter. We delivered record new wins. We received further recognition of our ESG, technology, and people leadership. We are the clear leader in a $1.2 trillion industry with a significant runway for growth.

We continue to gain share with $3.5 billion of total new wins value in 2022, again, based on the current recovery levels, and of course, supported by strong customer retention of 95%. Of course, as I mentioned, our biggest growth opportunity is with SME customers. This represents a total opportunity of $950 billion of travel spend. We are already the number one player in managed travel for SME customers, but only 30% of that $950 billion is actually managed, providing us with a significant future growth opportunity. You can see here that we're making good progress. We signed $2.1 billion of SME new wins value in 2022. Approximately 25% of that value, 55% of the number of customers is actually from companies whose travel programs were previously unmanaged.

I think it demonstrates we are gaining more and more traction, converting this unmanaged customer travel spend into managed spend. We are also recognized as an industry leader in ESG. In the quarter, we were awarded Platinum EcoVadis status. This actually places us in the top 1% of independently assessed companies across the world, and I think it demonstrates how we are helping our customers and our partners achieve their sustainability goals. Another sustainability example, we've integrated with CHOOOSE Climate Tech. This allows us to actually integrate carbon emissions data at the point of sale across all of our channels, whether it's voice, whether it's Egencia NEO. We present our carbon emissions data consistently and accurately across all channels so that both travelers and travel managers can track and be more aware of their carbon emissions data.

Supporting our technology leadership, Egencia was ranked number 1 in two categories of the G2 Winter 2023 report, Most Implementable Solution and Best Results. G2 is the largest and most trusted peer-to-peer review site. It has more than 60 million people viewing. It has many Fortune 500 companies using it to inform their software decisions. In addition, Egencia also ranked as a leader in 15 categories in the G2 study. I think it's just validation that we're providing excellent software solutions and an excellent experience to our customers. Additionally, in the quarter, Egencia was named a leader in corporate travel applications by IDC MarketScape. IDC is an independent voice that evaluates travel tech solutions. Again, it's an important influence over the B2B buying process.

IDC specifically recognized, and I quote here, "Our data-led, intuitive product experience and our ability to embed machine learning and AI into the user experience." Finally, here, we were voted the number 1 business services company in the Forbes America's Best Large Employers report in February of this year. I would like to extend a sincere thank you to all of my colleagues around the world for their commitment and their leadership that makes this valuable recognition possible. Moving on to our strategic priorities. When we became a public company, we shared these strategic priorities, and I'm pleased to say we are clearly delivering on these priorities, and it's creating strong momentum for 2023. First of all, business travel recovery continues. Q4 revenue recovery reached 75%, up 3 points from Q3, and a dramatic improvement from the start of 2022.

Second, our recovery is significantly ahead of the industry due to continued share gains. New wins value $3.5 billion at current recovery levels. Third, we said our focus on winning in the SME segment would accelerate growth, and our results show exactly that. Q4 SME transaction recovery reached 82%. We reported SME new wins value of $2.1 billion for the full year, with approximately 25% of those wins coming from unmanaged customers. Fourth, here, we're clearly delivering on the Egencia synergies. We continue to expect total opportunity of $109 million synergies. In full year 2022, we achieved approximately $45 million of synergies from the Egencia acquisition, which exceeded our target of $25 million. Fifth, our business model is clearly delivering significant operating leverage.

In the fourth quarter, we delivered 71% revenue growth with only 16% growth in adjusted operating expenses. Finally, all these results combine to deliver significant margin expansion. In the fourth quarter, we reported 66% adjusted EBITDA fall-through and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 8% and delivering financial results ahead of guidance. To sum it up, I think our fourth quarter performance provides yet another proof point of our continued strategic and commercial and financial progress. That completes my review of the Q4 highlights. I'd like to hand it to Martine to discuss the financial results in more detail before we move on to our 2023 outlook.

Martine Gerow
CFO, Global Business Travel Group

Thank you, Paul, and good morning, good afternoon, everyone. As you heard from Paul, I'm on page 10, we continue to deliver on our strategic and financial priorities and we did finish 2022 on a strong note. Our revenue recovery was 75% of 2019 pro forma, which is three points above where the third quarter was, and it is three points above the transaction recovery in the fourth quarter, which was 72%. Our yield, which is measured as revenue over TTV, which is total transaction value, was 8.9% in the fourth quarter. We benefited from improved yield across both air and hotel. In fourth quarter, products and professional services revenue were actually up 14% sequentially, meaning versus the third quarter, driven by solid growth in management fees and particularly meeting events.

Our TTV recovery reached 70% in the fourth quarter. Transaction recovery was 72%. That's an improvement of one percentage point versus the third quarter. On a constant currency basis, TTV recovery was actually in line with transaction recovery. While we did note a softening of the trends going into the holiday period, we are pleased to report that we are seeing a very strong rebound in January and February volumes, which is in line with our expectation for the first quarter of this year. Looking at year-over-year results on a pro forma basis. Fourth quarter TTV was up 93% to reach $5.9 billion. Our average transaction value was up 19%. That's largely driven by the strong recovery in international bookings versus prior years.

Our fourth quarter total revenue increased 71% to $500.7 million. Within this, travel revenue was up 101% in Q4. Again, revenue yield outperformed other quarters due to very strong end-of-year air and hotel performance. Traditionally, Q4 is our strongest yield quarter as certain incentives are on an annual performance measurement. Product and professional services increased 12% year-over-year. As we shared on previous calls, the growth in this line is more limited when you compare it to 2021 because this revenue component was relatively protected from the reduction in demand in 2021. Our adjusted operating expenses increased only 16% in the quarter, which compares favorably to a 71% increase in revenue in the quarter.

As a result, we delivered $43 million of positive Adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter, which is an improvement of $145 million year-over-year. Our Adjusted EBITDA margin was 8%, which is 41% improved year-over-year. On page 11, turning to the full year. As Paul mentioned, our 2022 results came ahead of guidance. Our full year revenue came in at the top of our revenue guidance range, which was $120 billion-$125 billion, and our Adjusted EBITDA was above our guidance range, which was $90 million-$100 million. Versus 2021 pro forma, our TTV was up 187% to approximately $23 billion. Our revenue increased 108% to $1.85 billion, and within that, travel revenue was up 159%.

Product and professional services revenue increased 23%. Again, more limited growth in this line because this revenue component was again relatively more protected from changes in demand in 2021. Our adjusted operating expenses were up 23% for the full year compared to a revenue growth of 108%. As a result, our adjusted EBITDA reached an inflection point and turned and stayed positive beginning in the second quarter of 2022. For the full year, adjusted EBITDA again was $103 million. That is a very significant year-over-year improvement of $623 million, and our adjusted EBITDA margin of 6% increased 64 percentage points as compared to 2021.

We maintained a very high level of fall-through with an adjusted EBITDA fall-through of 65% for the full year, which demonstrates our very strong operating leverage as well as the execution of our cost savings program in delivering on Egencia synergies. Turning to cash flow on page 12, as you just heard from Paul, and as we had shared with you on previous call and as we expected, our cash consumption significantly eased in the fourth quarter. Our free cash flow usage was $25 million in the quarter. That is an $87 million improvement from the third quarter, and it is driven by a lower building working capital. As we shared on previous calls, we do expect to reach positive free cash flow during 2023 as EBITDA will continue to recover meaningfully and as our working capital there continues to normalize.

As of December 31st, 2022, we had an unrestricted cash balance of $303 million, our net debt was $919 million. Finally, we have a very strong liquidity position. Our total available liquidity is approximately $500 million. That is pro forma, the additional term loan and revolver extension, which we completed in January this year. The proceeds of the additional financing raised will be for general corporate purposes, which include completing the Egencia integration, accelerating growth in SME, and driving further efficiencies. I will now turn it back to Paul to share how we are thinking about 2023.

Paul Abbott
CEO, Global Business Travel Group

Okay. Thank you, Martine. Let's talk about 2023. As we said last quarter, there are several tailwinds that set us up for growth in 2023. First of all, the business travel recovery continues, and the outlook remains positive with our customers. Industry experts predict business travel spend will continue to grow and capacity will continue to increase, all supporting continued growth in 2023. Secondly, as we predicted, distributed teams and hybrid work are clearly creating new business travel meetings and event demand, and we see this particularly in our meetings and events results. Third, airline capacity is expected to improve throughout 2023, and this incremental supply will of course support increased demand. Fourth, our sales pipeline leads us to be confident in continued share gains in the year ahead, with specifically continued momentum in the SME segment.

All in all, I think this results in expectations for strong revenue and earnings growth in 2023. I think importantly, these tailwinds and our expectations for the year ahead are supported by data from customers and data from suppliers and data from across the industry. According to GBTA's Q1 2023 Business Travel Outlook Poll, this was published at the end of January, domestic and international bookings are currently at 67% and 54% of 2019 levels, and this is up from 63% and 50% in October. Industry momentum continues. You can see that we are clearly outpacing the industry with Q4 revenue recovery at 75%. Turning to customers, 78% of travel managers expect more or a lot more trips in 2023 versus 2022.

86% of travel suppliers are expecting higher spending from corporate customers in 2023, and that's an improvement versus 80% in the survey in October. Finance, insurance, professional services, consulting other sectors where we're seeing the strongest growth trends for the year ahead. GBTA expects total business travel spending to grow by 24% in 2023 to reach over $1 trillion. This expected increase in demand will be met by increased supply. IATA expects capacity growth of 18% globally. This looks a little different by region. You've got 5.5% increase in North America, 6.1% in Europe, 48% growth in capacity in Asia Pacific, largely driven by the opening of China.

You can see here that there is strong evidence from customers, from suppliers, from industry experts supporting our confidence in solid industry growth for the year ahead. Of course, and very importantly, we expect to augment these tailwinds with further share gains driven by our industry-leading software and services. Let's just go through our strategic priorities again and really highlight how they are positioning us to deliver strong growth in 2023. As I just said, business travel recovery continues. GBTA survey found 78% of travel managers expect more business trips in 2023, and IATA expects more capacity across all regions. Share gains. We reported three and a half billion of total new wins in 2022, and we expect to continue this strong growth in 2023, and we have a pipeline to support that strong growth. SME acceleration.

We have moved to a new global segment-driven operating model and structure for the company. That is going to intensify our focus on scaling the SME business around the world. A segment with the fastest growth and the highest margins and represents by far the largest addressable opportunity for us. We are now taking a much more consistent and even greater focused approach to capturing this opportunity around the world. On Egencia synergies, in 2023, we plan to deliver additional synergies through exiting additional TSAs, realizing additional technology and real estate savings. On operating leverage, we are gonna continue to operate our business with really strong focus on operating leverage. We expect single-digit operating expense growth in 2023, and that is going to drive strong margin expansion with 17%-20% revenue growth.

Finally, these efficiencies, of course, lead to continued strong margin expansion in the year ahead. This all results in full year 2023 expectations, as you can see here, 17%-20% revenue growth, 220%-259% adjusted EBITDA growth, with approximately 10 percentage points of adjusted EBITDA margin expansion. Importantly, as growth continues beyond 2023, when we look at the financial and commercial drivers of the business, we remain on track to deliver pre-COVID adjusted EBITDA of approximately $500 million at the 86% revenue recovery level or achievement of $2.4 billion in revenue. I'm now gonna turn it over to Martine to go over our 2023 guidance in more detail. Martine, over to you.

Martine Gerow
CFO, Global Business Travel Group

Thank you, Paul. On page 17, in 2023, we expect to deliver double-digit revenue growth and margin expansion, and we project to turn free cash flow positive during the year and actually come within our target net leverage of 2-3x adjusted EBITDA. Let me review with you what are the key drivers for our 2023 guidance, in which we assume a measured view of the macro environment this year. Starting with the components of our expected 17%-20% revenue growth. 12 points of that growth really result from carrying forward the fourth quarter run rate and another five-eight points of additional growth is expected to come from a combination of share gains and organic growth. We project an overall revenue recovery of 77%-79% in 2023.

That's about two points above where we project transaction recovery. On the cost side, as you heard from Paul Abbott, we expect single-digit growth in operating expenses as we improve operational efficiencies, fully realize our cost synergies, and achieve benefits from the reorganization we announced in January. In 2022, particularly in the second half, and that impacted the fourth quarter as well, our operational productivity was negatively impacted, really a consequence of having to recruit and train a significant number of new agents, travel agents, and a consequence of the travel disruptions as the industry was facing very similar challenges. In 2023, we expect to achieve significant productivity gains as we improve our operating metrics from where they were in the fourth quarter.

As a result, we expect to continue to deliver high operating leverage with an adjusted EBITDA fall through of about 70% in 2023 and a margin expansion of nine- 11 points. As previously mentioned, we anticipate reaching positive free cash flow during the year. We expect this to take place in the second half of the year given the seasonality of our working capital. Finally, we expect to exit 2023 with a leverage ratio that will be at the high end of our 2x- 3x times long-term leverage target. The assumption I just shared with you result in the following full year 2023 guidance. Revenue comprised, between $2.17 billion and $2.22 billion. That equates to revenue growth of 17%-20% year-over-year.

An adjusted EBITDA between $330 million-$370 million. That equates to an adjusted EBITDA margin of 15%-16% and a margin expansion of nine-11 percentage points as compared to 2022. Let's turn to the first quarter guidance and the key drivers that are underlying this first quarter guidance. As you would expect, we anticipate a much higher rate of growth in the first quarter as we overlap the first quarter of 2021, which had a lower recovery because of Omicron. For the first quarter, we expect a transaction recovery in the mid-70s and TTV recovery to be a couple of points below transaction recovery, very consistent with what we have seen in the previous quarters.

Our quarter-to-date transaction recovery through January and February is trending in line with our expectation for the quarter. We expect our revenue recovery to be six months ahead of volume recovery in the first quarter, which is above what we project on a full year basis. This is really driven by a quarterly phasing of revenue in the 2019 baseline, which is different from what we expect it to be in 2023. If you think about our revenue yield, sorry, in the first quarter is actually largely in line with our full year expectations. Much more a function of the 2019 baseline than, you know, our trend.

Moving to expenses, we anticipate operating expenses to be flat to the fourth quarter of 2022 as the cost to support the first quarter volume really ramped up in the fourth quarter of last year, and as we achieve higher productivity in our operation, as I mentioned. Finally, we expect operating leverage to result in a very significant improvement in adjusted EBITDA and margin with about 23-24 points year-over-year. Our first quarter 2023 guidance has a revenue that is comprised between $550 million and $570 million. That's a revenue growth of 57%-63% year-over-year. We expect adjusted EBITDA to be between $75 million-$90 million.

That's a margin of 15%-16% and growth in adjusted EBITDA margin of 23-24 percentage points versus prior year. In summary, we are delivering on a strategy, we're delivering on our commitment to customers and shareholders, and we are positioned for strong growth in 2023 and beyond. We exceeded our 2022 revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance. The business travel recovery has strong momentum. We are delivering on our share gains and SME acceleration. We are executing on the Egencia synergies and delivering higher operating leverage. We are positioned for strong revenue and adjusted EBITDA growth in 2023, and we remain on track to deliver an adjusted EBITDA of approximately $500 million with a revenue recovery of 86%, which equates to approximately $2.4 billion in revenue.

You know, we're delivering on what we committed to, and we are confident in our position for continued momentum ahead. Thank you very much for your interest, and we will now open for questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star then one on your telephone keypads now. If you change your mind, please press star two. We have our first question from Duane Pfennigwerth of Evercore ISI. You may proceed.

Duane Pfennigwerth
Senior Managing Director, Evercore

Hey, thank you. Just with respect to your outlook for transaction volume recovery, can you talk about maybe the regions or the geographies where you're seeing the biggest sequential improvement? You know, understand maybe January wasn't, you know, the hottest month, but maybe mark, you know, kind of where we are in the month of March, versus the levels that you saw in the fourth quarter.

Martine Gerow
CFO, Global Business Travel Group

Do you want me to take that, Paul?

Paul Abbott
CEO, Global Business Travel Group

Sure.

Martine Gerow
CFO, Global Business Travel Group

I'll take that. Sure, I'll take that, Duane. In terms of the, you know, in terms of the geographies, we, you know, we expect somewhat higher recovery in the countries that were, I'd say the slowest to open, so that would be more some of the Southeast Asia. Canada is another market. Outside of those, you know, in China, although China has a relatively small impact, because we don't consolidate China. Outside of those particular geographies, we expect a fairly, you know, fairly steady recovery in both, Europe and the U.S.

In terms of trends, as I was indicating, actually we, you know, based on what we're seeing in January and February, we saw an improvement in the recovery which is consistent with what we expect for the first quarter. Very strong rebound after the holiday season.

Duane Pfennigwerth
Senior Managing Director, Evercore

It may be more of a U.S., you know, U.S. phenomenon, but I would guess that March is the strongest month of the quarter in terms of corporate travel recovery. Any thoughts on kind of where March stands relative to fourth quarter? You know, no problem if that's not a level of detail that you want to get into.

Martine Gerow
CFO, Global Business Travel Group

You know, I'll comment on January, February, because March, you know, March is just starting. You know, again, we're very encouraged with what we saw in January and February, which saw, which is an improvement over what we saw in the fourth quarter, particularly, you know, the exit into the fourth quarter where, you know, we were impacted as the industry was, you know, with the holiday. Very encouraged.

Duane Pfennigwerth
Senior Managing Director, Evercore

Thanks.

Martine Gerow
CFO, Global Business Travel Group

Yeah.

Duane Pfennigwerth
Senior Managing Director, Evercore

Thank you. Thank you.

Martine Gerow
CFO, Global Business Travel Group

In the quarter. Okay.

Duane Pfennigwerth
Senior Managing Director, Evercore

Just for my follow-up on the seasonality of working capital, you know, nice improvement in that line over the balance of 2022. Can you help us think about kind of the seasonality of that working capital build around the bookings build here into 2023? Thanks for taking the questions.

Martine Gerow
CFO, Global Business Travel Group

Sure. In terms of working capital, we tend to have a working capital build in going into the first quarter and the second quarter, because that's where, you know, most of the, let's say, you know, volume seasonality is. We tend to then give back down in the third quarter. The fourth quarter is usually favorable as well from a working capital. That's usually our lowest working capital quarter. Expect it to come up,

Duane Pfennigwerth
Senior Managing Director, Evercore

Thanks.

Martine Gerow
CFO, Global Business Travel Group

in the first half, then reduce, going into the fourth quarter.

Duane Pfennigwerth
Senior Managing Director, Evercore

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, it's star one to ask any questions. We now have [Telly Rilley] of Morgan Stanley.

Speaker 8

Hi. Thanks for taking the question. I just want to kind of come back to, you know, the remaining 20% of the permanent cost savings you guys are waiting on. I know you said in the past you expect it to come back once volumes return to around 100% and, you know, re-recovery nearing, you know, high 70s in 2023. Just wondering if you could kind of give or, you know, what you expect for cadence in realizing those savings. Could you kind of give approximation of how much you would expect to realize at, say, 86% of pro forma versus 95%?

Martine Gerow
CFO, Global Business Travel Group

You know, we would expect that remaining 20%, which is about $40 million. We would expect to start realizing, you know, some of that obviously, you know, this year as we're in the high 70s from a recovery standpoint. And then the remaining of that going into 2024 and 2025 as we, you know, near the higher recovery level. It should be pretty linear to what the volume recovery is.

Speaker 8

Okay, great. Thanks. Just one more question, [Farik]. Can you guys talk about the, you know, $3.1 billion in new wins? I guess, could you just kind of give an idea of how much it takes for, you know, those wins to ramp and turn that into revenue on your guys' income statement?

Martine Gerow
CFO, Global Business Travel Group

Sure. The way to think about it is, it takes two to three years, depending on the, you know, depending on the customer. You don't have necessarily 100% of conversion for two reasons. One is some of that is what we call partner volume, so not our card to the market but our partner market, and some of that is leakage. You typically have around 70% conversion, and that conversion broadly takes place for the majority, over a two-year period. You know, by the third year, we have all of that 70% volume converted.

Speaker 8

All right, great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Here's star one to ask a question. We now have Lee Horowitz of Deutsche Bank. You may proceed.

Lee Horowitz
Co-Head Internet Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Great. two for a minute. I'd like to dig into the full year 2022 guide. You guys highlight the GBTA spend expectation growth of 24%. Your guidance suggests call it 20% revenue growth at the high end and five-eight points of share gains or fresh organic growth for the year. This seems to sort of stand in contrast to what it seem is a high degree of confidence in driving incremental share this year. Can you just help us better understand the disconnect between those two?

Paul Abbott
CEO, Global Business Travel Group

Yeah, Martine, maybe I start on that, on that one. Well, I think the GBTA prediction is a prediction at this point. It's actually also travel spend. If you look at our plan, that's sort of the equivalent of our TTV. Our sort of TTV plan for 2023 is somewhere in that low-to-mid 20s% as well. Our kind of TTV plan is pretty consistent with that GBTA outlook.

Lee Horowitz
Co-Head Internet Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Helpful, thank you. Then maybe taking a step back, you know, a question we often get from investors is around the uplift you're seeing from distributed teams. Can you help us, you know, maybe better quantify what you saw in 2022 regarding distributed teams driving incremental events volume and maybe what you're thinking about in terms of expectation as we look out to 2023 and 2024?

Paul Abbott
CEO, Global Business Travel Group

Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't quite catch the question. You just cut out. I don't know. Apologies if it was. I don't know if it was my end or yours. Do you mind just repeating that?

Lee Horowitz
Co-Head Internet Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Oh, no worries. It's regard to the uplift you're seeing from distributed teams. You know, we get this question from investors a lot. How much, you know, incremental meeting demand from distributed teams is offsetting, you know, some degree of compression across the industry due to the proliferation of Zoom and those sorts of things. If you could have us better understand maybe what you saw in 2022 in regards to incremental volume coming from distributed workforces and/or what your expectations are for that to sustain as we look out to 2023 and 2024, that'd be super helpful.

Paul Abbott
CEO, Global Business Travel Group

Yeah, sure. No, thank you. As we sort of exited, 2022, you look at the fourth quarter, the number of meetings and events that we were managing was actually, you know, above 2019 levels. It gives you a sense for the level of demand, but it does have a slightly different mix. We have a division that deals with meetings, for under 50 people, so smaller meetings, and that is the fastest growing part of the business. The number of meetings is, you know, at 2019 levels as we exited. The mix has moved more towards, you know, a larger number of smaller to mid-sized meetings.

As we look out to 2023, you know, our Adjusted EBITDA from our meetings and events division, you know, we will see that at or above 2019. That's how we kind of see the year ahead. It's one of the businesses where we have frankly a better view of the future because the booking windows are so much further in advance for meetings and events. You know, we're pretty confident in the outlook for 23 for meetings and events.

Lee Horowitz
Co-Head Internet Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. To ask a question, it's star one. We now have Steven Yuen of Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Steven Yuen
Director of Finance Change, Credit Suisse

Okay. Thank you. Just switching focus a little bit to the SME segment, you know, given the, what looks like a very high level of fragmentation there

There is still a wide open field for not only yourself, but, you know, for others to look to consolidate share as well. I'm wondering if there's any step up in competitive intensity you may be seeing in the industry as the sector continues to recover. Second, in terms of the booking type that you guys have disclosed, and I think this is on slide 7, just wondering, you know, about the behavior among the clients, like why the hotel dollar recovery levels seems to be charging ahead of air at this point. Thank you.

Paul Abbott
CEO, Global Business Travel Group

Yes. I think, in terms of the SME competitive landscape, I think you hit on both points there, Stephen. I mean, yes, there are some new entrants, and there's increased competitive activity, but very few have gained any significant share or scale. When you look at that, you know, alongside the sort of size of the opportunity, we don't see any change. In fact, if you look at 2022, we had a record win-loss rate in the SME segment. Looking at our pipeline for the year ahead, I'm confident we'll set a new record. Yes, there's activity, but it's certainly not impacting our ability to aggressively grow in that segment. I think one of the major advantages that we have is the range of solutions that we offer.

It's not one single segment with one homogenous set of needs. You know, if a customer's looking for that kind of high touch white glove service that includes both business travel and access to premium leisure, you know, we have a fantastic solution for them in Ovation. If they're looking for a turnkey SaaS solution with an intuitive customer experience with access to fantastic content, you know, we have Egencia. If they're looking for that more sophisticated outsourcing of travel end to end, perhaps on a regional or global basis, then that really tends to, you know, fit Amex GBT more. One of the major advantages that we have is going out into this very large segment is being able to offer that choice to customers because there are different needs in different subsegments of the SME space.

I think, you know, we're uniquely positioned with the solutions that we have there. I mean, I'd say hotel, you know, one of the key elements that's driving the increased recovery is that it has been a strategic priority for us to increase content and what we call attachment rates. To increase the number of hotel bookings in relation to air bookings. Bringing in all of the content from Expedia, for example, which we do through APIs. We bring it into our supply management platform, and we are able to present that content through our Egencia platform, through our Neo platform. Improving the content and improving the displays is definitely increasing conversion and increasing that attachment rate.

It is a broader trend as well across the industry where, you know, we have seen, you know, hotel recovery, above air. I think, you know, one of the trends supporting that is what we talked about before in terms of meetings and events. You know, there's a lot more demand for, you know, small meetings and events which often are more localized, and, you know, more hotel driven than air driven. I'd say those are the two key trends.

Steven Yuen
Director of Finance Change, Credit Suisse

Thank you.

Paul Abbott
CEO, Global Business Travel Group

One other trend that perhaps is more specific to Europe, you know, is we are seeing growth in rail. You know, I think there's obviously certain dynamic in Europe where there's, on certain routes, significant increased efficiency and frequency of rail. So that is a factor when you look at Europe specifically.

Operator

Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. There's no questions at this time, I'd like to hand it back to the management team.

Paul Abbott
CEO, Global Business Travel Group

Great. Well, look, thank you very much for your questions. In closing, I just wanna thank our team across Amex GBT for their dedication to our customers and the strong results they've delivered. We are excited about the year ahead and very confident in our position and our outlook for growth in 2023. Thanks for joining us and your continued interest in the company. Thank you very much.

Martine Gerow
CFO, Global Business Travel Group

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you all for joining. This does conclude today's call. You may now disconnect your lines and have a lovely day.

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