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Earnings Call: Q2 2020

Jul 29, 2020

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the General Motors Company Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. During the opening remarks, all participants will be in a listen only mode. After the opening remarks, we will conduct a question and answer As a reminder, this conference is being recorded Wednesday, July 29, 2020. I would now like to turn the conference over to Rocky Gupta, Treasurer and Vice President of Investor Relations.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Tabitha. Good morning and thank you for joining us as we review GM's financial results for the Q2 of 2020. Our press release was issued this morning and the conference call materials are available on the GM Investor Relations website. We are also broadcasting this call via webcast. I'm joined here today at the GM headquarters by Mary Barra, GM's Chairman and CEO and Birga Suryadevara, GM's Executive Vice President and CFO.

Before we begin, I'd like to direct your attention to the forward looking statements on the first page of the chart set. The content of our call will be governed by this language. I will now turn the call over to Mary. Mary?

Speaker 3

Rocky, thanks so much, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining. I'll begin with the COVID-nineteen pandemic, which has made this quarter one of the most challenging in our history. COVID-nineteen has impacted us everywhere we do business. It has changed the way we work, how we sell our products, how we support our customers and how we care for each other.

Many of these changes will influence how we allocate future spending in the as we move forward. While our years of business transformation actions made the company more resilient, we also took additional proactive steps to help offset these challenges. Dealers stayed connected with customers with our online and contactless shop click drive tool that we enhanced. Our customer care and after sale operations remained open to keep our dealers and our customers supplied with the maintenance and repair parts needed and our employees proudly rallied to build ventilators and personal protective equipment for first responders. We used our early learnings in China and Korea to safely begin restarting our operations in North America and South America with significant support from our supply chain unions and governments.

We continue to collaborate with these stakeholders to ensure the highest levels of confidence in and execution of our extensive safety measures. While we can't predict the trajectory of the virus and its ultimate impact on public health and the economy, we have put all appropriate measures in place to position the company for continued recovery in the 3rd 4th quarters and beyond. Before I talk about our overall performance, I want to acknowledge another issue, the increasing responsibility of companies like General Motors to take a stand against racial injustice in the U. S. While remaining focused on driving business results.

General Motors has a strong track record of diversity by many objective standards, but it's clear we must do more and we will. During the quarter, we outlined several significant steps we plan to take. These along with all of our progress across ESG are detailed in our new sustainability report, which is available on gm.com. Now let's look at the numbers. Net revenue was $16,800,000,000 We had an EBIT adjusted loss of 536,000,000 dollars EBIT adjusted margins of negative 3.2 percent EPS diluted adjusted loss of $0.50 adjusted automotive cash flow of $9,000,000,000 negative and ROIC adjusted of $6,400,000 on a trailing 4 quarter basis.

In North America, as part of our ongoing transformation, Steve Carlisle was named President of GM North America. Steve's demonstrated track record and particular experience of strengthening the Cadillac brand will accelerate our progress in our very important North America market. We also created an innovation and growth organization that will be led by Alan Wexler, a newly hired Senior Vice President, who will report directly to me. Alan is the former Chairman and CEO of Publicis Sapient, a digital business transformation firm and brings decades of experience leading innovation and customer driven technology solutions. In other positive developments, the U.

S. Full size truck and full size SUV plants are currently operating at 3 shifts. To meet demand, we will add 200 employees in Fort Wayne effective September 1, which will increase our output by 1,000 units per month. We continue to offer customers a choice on how they want to do business with us. This includes using the shop click drive tool where visits are up 50% this year as well as our clean program for those who prefer to physically visit our dealerships.

Customers are now taking delivery of the first of our all new full size SUVs. Our Chevrolet and GMC dealers are selling every new Tahoe and Yukon they can get and buyers are praising the new design and outstanding ride quality. The vast majority of initial Yukon sales are the highly profitable Denali. We continue launching new models through the summer, including the Chevrolet Suburban and the GMC Yukon XL. We've also begun building the highly anticipated 2021 Escalade.

It's going well and we anticipate starting regular production early. Among its industry exclusive technologies, Escalade's available Super Cruise offers new enhancements, including lane change on demand functionality. Cadillac has generated the most consumer interest ever for the new Escalade with 600 plus orders already on the books. In addition, the 2021 Chevrolet Trailblazer and Buick Encore GX Small SUVs are new market opportunities for both brands. Both are gaining share every month, turning fast at dealers and attracting new and younger buyers.

Nearly 1 third of Trail Blazers buyers are 35 or younger Encore GX has quickly become the brand's highest volume Buick surpassing the Encore. In other North America highlights, GM was highest was the highest ranked automaker in the J. D. Power 2020 initial quality study. Our brands led in 6 segments and 8 other models placed within the top 3.

In addition, GM rose 3 spots in the J. D. Power U. S. Automotive performance, execution and layout study or often referred to as appeal.

Our brands led in 3 segments and 9 other models placed in the top 3. GM Defense won a $214,000,000 contract to build, field and sustain the Army's new infantry squad vehicle. It is based off of the 2020 Chevrolet Colorado ZR2 midsized truck architecture and leverages mostly commercial off the shelf parts. GM Financial, which performed well in the quarter, achieved 53% share of GM's retail business in the U. S.

And has $24,000,000,000 in liquidity at quarter end. In June, we released our new OnStar Guardian app to select owners of GM vehicles. This allows them to bring the safety of OnStar outside the vehicle for the first time in its 24 year history and share access to the app with loved ones. So far, we've onboarded more than 7,000 customers and will soon roll it out to our entire GM owner population. Turning to our international operations, the business environment in China is improving.

Following the deepest impact of COVID-nineteen in February, sales have been recovering month over month. Luxury, SUV and MPV segments, we are well positioned are showing the greatest recovery. In the recent JD Power initial quality study, GM's Yantai, Dongyue North Plant in China, which builds the Buick Envision, was ranked the highest automotive manufacturing facility in the world. Buick deliveries increased nearly 8% year over year, strengthening its leadership in the MPV segment with the all new GL8 Avenir family. Its SUV portfolio will grow with the all new Envision.

Wuling sales grew nearly 10%, sustaining its leading position in commercial vehicles while strengthening its foothold in passenger entry. In South America, all manufacturing sites are operating in line with market demand, which remains below pre COVID levels. We anticipate gradual recovery over time. To counter the impacts of pandemic and macroeconomic conditions on our business, including FX, we continue to seek efficiencies, reduce cost and capitalize on the market success of the new Chevrolet Onyx and Tracker. Elsewhere in international operation, restructuring efforts continue.

The Korea transformation is progressing to plan with the recent launch of the trailblazer for export and domestic markets. Domestic sales were up more than 16% in the quarter. All of our Thai dealers have accepted the transition package and we have reached agreement with over 90% of our dealers in Australia and New Zealand. Now I'd like to shift and talk about our EV progress. Following our EV Day in the U.

S. In March, the team continues to share our EV strategy with media and stakeholders in our global markets about our next gen platform, Altium battery technology and EV portfolio. The positive coverage is encouraging and we will host a Tech Day next month in China to demonstrate our progress in this important market. The team also showcased our EV technology and design this month during a visit by the U. S.

Secretary of Energy. We were pleased to accept the Department of Energy award that will help us develop lighter, stronger and less expensive battery enclosures. We are also making significant progress on our Altium Cells facility in Lordstown, Ohio with our joint venture partner LG Chem. Site ground prep began in April, building foundation work started July 1 and crews will begin erecting building steel today. Also on track are the first of our upcoming EVs in North America based on our next gen EV platform and Ultium battery system.

The Cadillac Lyric luxury electric SUV will be revealed next week. The GMC Hummer EV, which we'll reveal in Q4 and the Cruise Origin AV that we've already shared. Lyric scored the highest of any vehicle tested in our vehicle confirmation clinics. It was also the highest rated in terms of exterior and interior appeal among vehicles luxury and non luxury in the clinic data set. Our EV sales and portfolio are growing in China with overall year over year deliveries in the first half, up for the up for the first half of the year by more than 25%.

New entries with our JV partner include the Chevrolet menu, which is in early phases of launch the all new Baozun E300 and E300 Plus, which support DC fast charging and charge in an hour and Turning to AVs, Cruise continues to put its test fleet to work, autonomously delivering more than 50,000 meals to people in need in San Francisco as part of the COVID-nineteen relief efforts. Cruise is making strong technical progress and we're expecting some exciting updates in the second half of this year. With that, I'll turn the call over to Dhivya.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Mary, and good morning, everybody. The second quarter was clearly one of the most challenging quarters in recent times with production in North America down 8 out of 13 weeks due to COVID-nineteen, wholesales down 62%. However, even under these conditions, we were near breakeven EBIT in North America, demonstrating the resilience and flexibility that we've built into the business over the past few years. We view these results as proof points of the strength of the business, specifically North American breakeven levels of $10,000,000 to $11,000,000 of USAR, global free cash flow breakeven levels excluding managed working capital of US13 million dollars This quarter's performance also highlights our ability to move quickly to preserve liquidity and the importance of having a strong investment grade balance sheet. Automotive liquidity continues to be very strong at $30,600,000,000 at the end of second quarter.

Retail sales have recovered from April lows to around 20% below 2019 levels at the end of the second quarter and trending better in July even amidst a backdrop of limited inventories. We expect inventory levels to steadily recover from current levels and we remain cautiously optimistic about the continued recovery in U. S. SAAR. Clearly, as you know, it's a fluid situation and we're watching the infection rates across the country and its impact on auto demand very closely.

Let me frame up the quarter's results for you. Q2 results of negative $0.50 in EPS diluted adjusted includes an $0.08 gain from the PSA revaluation. Adjusted automotive free cash flow in the quarter was negative $9,000,000,000 When you add the benefit of our planned liquidity actions, the total cash burn for the quarter was $7,800,000,000 dollars in line with the scenario of the burn of $7,000,000,000 to $9,000,000,000 that we provided in the last quarter. Let me give you a quick comparison of drivers of our cash flow against the scenario that we provided. Contribution from vehicle sales after sales in OnStar was 4,500,000,000 and was better than the scenario that I laid out last quarter.

Monthly cash costs of $1,500,000,000 and CapEx of $1,100,000,000 were also better than expected. Working capital unwind of $5,000,000,000 was higher than expectations since supply chain constraints in Mexico pushed some of our North American production to later in June. Sales allowance unwind of $3,000,000,000 was at the high end of the scenario due to better than expected retail sales performance. China and GMS dividends of $900,000,000 was in line with expectations. So when you put all of this together, excluding managed working capital, Q2 cash flow was a burn of $1,000,000,000 which aligns with our breakeven scenario that we have talked about.

It's important to note that we have implemented significant austerity measures in this extreme environment. And as such, this is not a quarter to run rate on a go forward basis. Let me touch on the regions starting with North America. While retail sales performance was down 24% year over year, retail market share of full size pickups improved from 35% to 36.1% despite lean inventories. Our inventory levels remain lean at 480,000 units as of July 21 compared to 810,000 units at the end of Q2 of last year and 418,000 units at our low point in early June.

We continue to rebuild our pickup truck inventories, which stood at 120,000 units as of July 25. This compares to 270,000 units last June and 87,000 units at our low point. We continue to take a number of actions to increase production and replenish dealer inventories. We have returned to a normalized run rate in all of our full size truck plants and are matching supply with demand in our remaining facilities, building inventory where we need it the most. Our dealers are doing a great job of selling deep into their inventory and there are many initiatives underway to optimize logistics so we can rebuild our inventory faster.

We're also disciplined from a go to market standpoint with light duty ATPs up over $1,000 per unit quarter over quarter. This is driven by low incentives as well as rich mix. Our full size SUV launch is going very well and we're able to take advantage of downtime in May to retool. This has allowed for a smoother transition and the opportunity to produce through the traditional July shutdown. While we're still experiencing ramp up constraints due to simultaneous SUV launches at the same plant, working through July provided an opportunity to build units that would have otherwise been lost.

The customer feedback to the new SUVs has been very strong and the vehicles have a very quick average turn at the dealer lot and the trim mix has been very rich as well. Our new heavy duty trucks are also performing exceptionally well with ATPs up $4,000 year over year and U. S. Retail market share of 35%, up 5 percentage points year over year. We're also seeing a strong trim mix with Denali and 84 mix of over 70% for the Sierra and LTZ and High Country mix of near 60% for the Chevrolet.

As we mentioned in February, these strong launches will continue to serve as a tailwind to North American profitability. Let's move to GM International. China equity income in Q2 was approximately $200,000,000 as the market showed signs of recovery and we benefited from our recent launches. We also continued with our cost reduction measures. For H1, we achieved breakeven equity income despite the impact of the virus and the wholesales being down 32% year over year.

Our sales continue to recover and we expect to maintain the approximately $200,000,000 quarterly equity income run rate. We expect China earnings to improve over time as we introduce new SUV and luxury models and benefit from an eventual industry recovery. We received $500,000,000 in dividends China operations in Q2 and expect the remaining dividends in the second half of this year. In South America, we experienced lower production related to the pandemic and the FX environment has become more challenging. However, we're continuing to strengthen the business and take cost out.

Our first two vehicles in our new platform, the Onyx B car and the Tracker B SUV have been well received by the Brazilian market. These new vehicles have helped increase our segment share and our retail leaders in their respective segments. We're focused on channel mix in South America, taking a close look at entries and channels that do not achieve our margin objectives and redirecting volume towards profitable channels. Furthermore, we're continuing to take price, especially in Brazil to offset the impact of FX. As an example, year to date, we've taken price increases of 10% and competition is following.

So we're really attacking this on the revenue side as well as the cost side with all the austerity measures we've taken, which will get the business closer to breakeven. Let me make a few comments on GM Financial, Cruise and the Corp segment. At GMF, the actions we've taken to drive dealer traffic led to strong vehicle sales and U. S. Penetration of 53%, up from 47% a year ago.

GMS 200,000,000 EBT was lower year over year because of higher credit provisions and accelerated depreciation on the lease portfolio due to the pandemic. In Q1, we had talked about a 7% to 10% decline in used vehicle prices. Given the significant recovery in prices starting in second half of Q2, industry consensus now points to a slightly stronger used vehicle price environment down 6% to 8%. And we continue to expect net charge offs in the range of 2% to 2.5%, although towards the low end of the range if recent credit performance persists. We received the expected $400,000,000 dividend from GM Financial in Q2.

Cruise costs were $200,000,000 for the quarter consistent with expectations and Corp segment costs were $200,000,000 including a $100,000,000 favorable impact from the PSA investment. Quick update on our transformational cost savings initiatives. We achieved $3,800,000,000 since 2018, including $200,000,000 in Q2 and we expect to achieve our target of $4,000,000,000 to $4,500,000,000 On the cost front, 0 based budgeting has allowed us the opportunity to reevaluate our spending across the board. A significant majority of the austerity measures will normalize as you can expect. We do think that some of these efficiencies will stick.

It is too soon to put a dollar amount on that, but some examples include efficient marketing spending, reduced event expenses and reduced travel and facilities expenses. Finally, looking ahead to the second half of twenty twenty, as you know, the environment remains fluid and it is difficult to provide an official guidance in this backdrop. But let me frame up a scenario to dimension our profit and our cash flow. If you assume a $14,000,000 U. S.

Light vehicle SAAR industry in H2, in which global production is not impacted by plant shutdowns or shift reductions and we do not experience a significant supply disruption and we rebuild dealer inventory to be in the neighborhood 600,000 units by end of the year, we can expect second half total company EBIT adjusted to be in the range of 4 $4, excuse me, dollars 4,000,000,000 to $5,000,000,000 with Q3 slightly stronger than Q4 due to holidays in November December. In this scenario, we expect to generate free cash flow of $7,000,000,000 to $9,000,000,000 in H2, assuming a working capital and sales allowance rewind of approximately $5,000,000,000 and CapEx of approximately $3,000,000,000 The H2 scenario demonstrates the ability to recover a meaningful portion of the H1 cash burn. Keep in mind, this is a scenario, not a guidance, and these factors are inherently difficult to predict given the volatility in demand and production timing as well as levels. As you know, there are a number of factors such as inventory build, managed working capital rewind, austerity measures that will make it difficult to use this scenario to extrapolate into 2021. But we're confident in the fundamentals of the business and in a normal environment, we would expect the cash flow generation potential of the company to be strong as we keep funding the investments in our future.

It is also worth noting that the deferment in CapEx spending this year will lead to retime spending into 2021. However, over the 2 year period, we expect to still stay within our CapEx target. So in summary, our Q2 results were significantly impacted by the pandemic, but we're demonstrating how well we can perform through a challenging time. Our focus on cash flow and the steps we've taken to improve the breakeven has certainly helped improve the resilience of the business. We continue to be laser focused on execution and generating strong performance that will position us to win the future of mobility.

This concludes our opening comments and we'll now move to the Q and A portion of the call.

Speaker 1

Your first question comes from the line of Joseph Spak with RBC Capital Markets.

Speaker 5

Thanks very much, everyone. Divya, maybe just to clarify that last comment on the back half, EBIT. Was that an auto EBIT or a total EBIT? And maybe if you could provide a little bit more color or what the implied North America EBIT would be in the back half?

Speaker 4

So, Joe, it is total company EBIT, so it includes auto as well as GMF. I don't want to put a specific North America number to it, but it's safe to assume that with a 600,000 unit dealer inventory position by year end, I think that gives you enough data points to model North America in specific.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then you talked about the cash flow in the back half. I think in some other comments, you've talked about potentially paying back the revolver of $16,000,000 so $16,000,000,000 So if I'm doing the math right, it sort of seems that if that occurs, you're back to net cash balances almost equal to, let's call it, Q2 of 2019 levels or pre strike, pre COVID. Am I missing anything there? Or are there any other puts and takes we should be considering?

Speaker 4

I think you're directionally correct. If you think about the first half of the year, we burned $10,000,000,000 between Q1 and Q2. And based on the scenario that I provided in the midpoint of the range of the $7,000,000,000 to $9,000,000,000 you can see that we're recovering the bulk of the burn in H1 of the year. So as we build the cash balance back towards our target level, Joe, that's when we would expect to pay back the revolver. Obviously, as you know, there's a ton of uncertainty that's out there.

So it's important to note that it's based on the backdrop and all the assumptions that talked about.

Speaker 5

Okay. And maybe one for Mary. You talk a lot about your EV and Ultium architecture and it sounds like you're very comfortable and excited about it. I know you have an agreement with Honda for that as well. But what we're also seeing is a lot more companies, I guess, trying to maybe break into electric vehicles or automaking them.

I'm wondering if you would ever consider or how you would sort of value the risk and opportunities, I guess, of selling kits

Speaker 6

to some of the would be competitors?

Speaker 3

We think scale does matter and we are very confident and excited about our Ultium battery platform and our cell technology. We are the only one of 2 that are building battery cells country from an auto perspective. And we also have a joint development agreement with LG Chem along with the R and D work that we have. We've stated that as we early in the early days of launching off of our new Ultium platform, we will be at or below 100 and that's just the start of the cost down plans that we have from a battery cell technology perspective. So we, as you mentioned, have an arrangement with Honda to provide and leverage not only Ultram's cells, but our platform.

Speaker 7

And we evaluate each one

Speaker 3

of these opportunities on an individual holder holder value, but doesn't have a negative impact on the core business. We definitely will protect our truck franchise and other key franchises we will evaluate. So we remain open as we move forward because we think we have leading technology.

Speaker 8

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of John Murphy with Bank of America.

Speaker 9

Good morning, guys. Just a first question on the strength in pricing in the quarter. I mean, obviously, with inventory relatively tight, that should have aided that. So I think that that might be part of it. But just curious how much of that price increase you think is sticky?

How much benefit you'll get as the SUVs launch? And then also if you think about the relatively tight Tivity, you're talking about getting back to 600,000 units, which is still relatively tight through the end of the year. Might you consider a leaner inventory level going forward to support pricing?

Speaker 4

Yes. John, I'd say, on in the quarter, it was both carryover as well as our majors that contributed to positive pricing. On the major side, as you know, we're launching our Trailblazer and Encore GX, which have been received really well and that's helping us from a net price perspective. On the carryover side, it's across the board, but particularly in full size pickups that we're able to maintain the pricing levels there. And as we go forward, to your point, we will calibrate the right level of inventory to have based on what the SAAR environment is like.

As you know, it's a needle that you got a thread watching what the competition is doing, our own inventory levels and this the appropriate trade off between

Speaker 6

market share as well as profitability. And that's

Speaker 4

something that we manage on a quarter to quarter basis. Profitability. And that's something that we manage on a quarter to quarter basis and we'll continue to do that in the second half of the year and

Speaker 9

dollars in cost base in the quarter. I mean, I think in the press release, you're saying that, that takes you up to $3,800,000,000 So you're pretty far along the way getting to the $4,000,000,000 to $4,500,000,000 So I'm just curious how much of that was somewhat temporary in the quarter and there might be more to go? And I guess it's sort of just a question of semantics and timing. And as you kind of chug down this route of crossing the finish line of $4,000,000,000 to 4,500,000,000 dollars if there is potentially more down the line? Or are you guys just running so efficiently you're kind of reaching sort of an asymptomatic limit on how far it can go on cost?

I mean, it's pretty impressive. It seems like you might be bumping up against limits here at this point.

Speaker 4

Yes. So from a $3,800,000,000 that you alluded to, John, I'd say those are permanent savings in that they were part of what we announced in November of 2018 and we've been making progress getting to the 4 $500,000,000 range that we've talked about. So I would categorize those as more permanent savings. In addition to that, the austerity savings that we put in place in the Q2 given the pandemic and what's going on, that's where you got to look at it in 2 categories. 1st category, naturally there will be a normalization of that with the production going back up.

So for example, to the extent there's salary deferrals that we have announced recently that we're restoring those to the original levels, those were temporary. So we went back to the original levels there. So with the normalization, you will see a significant majority of that going back. But what we're also working on is whether it's marketing spend or event expenses and travel, as you can imagine, has been low, facilities and other areas. We're looking at every single one of them from a 0 based perspective to do more there.

So as I said, it's difficult to put a dollar amount, but it's safe to say you've seen the performance in the quarter from a cost standpoint. If there's cost efficiencies to be had, we will get it.

Speaker 7

Okay.

Speaker 9

And then just lastly, on the OnStar discussion, I mean, moving it towards an app on the phone that's available outside the vehicle seems like you're taking this more and more in sort of a standalone direction. Just curious really what that means if it's going to be available to folks outside of the GM family and could this be a precursor to a potential separation at some point down the line?

Speaker 3

So John, I think what we're really looking is at leveraging the full power of OnStar and the connectivity we have, the relationship we have with first responders throughout the country, and we think it's a very additive business.

Speaker 6

There's a

Speaker 3

lot more that we plan to do, building on OnStar that will be integrated with the vehicle. So we'll look at both paths, but have nothing, to talk about related to a separation.

Speaker 9

Okay. Thank you very much guys.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Adam Jonas with Morgan Stanley.

Speaker 10

Hey everybody. So bear with me on the first question. General Motors brand, I think goes back 111 years. What do you think why not just change the name of the company? I mean, it's done it's GM is the General Motors brand has done its job, but I'm wondering if it might be out of touch with some of the really interesting directions you're taking the business.

Why not call the company Ultium, the entire company?

Speaker 7

And I have a follow-up.

Speaker 3

So Adam, appreciate your input. When I look at a name change, and we're going to make any changes necessary to drive the shareholder value because I'm so strongly believe in the technology and our future product plans as it relates to electrification. So that's something that we evaluate and look at when is the right time and what are the proof points that everybody looks at it and makes it real. And so we believe strongly in our EV future.

Speaker 10

Okay. Appreciate that, Mary. Just a follow-up then, because as you realize, there's so much investor enthusiasm around the higher the 20% CAGR business known as EVs and not so much excitement around the negative 5% or so CAGR business. That's the melting ice cube, so to speak. And the valuations of some of the other companies that are going after the higher growth business are just so sensational.

I mean, people talk about Rivian worth more than GM and they never made a vehicle. So I'm just thinking from GM and to a large degree your peers, because you're not alone, as you look at like today's results, really, really good results under tough circumstances, a decent set of guidance under tough circumstances, the market doesn't seem to care. From your seat, what is the biggest reason for this gap? It's a pretty big gap. Again, I'm not singling you out specifically, but you are the CEO of this company that many investors see as a real opportunity here and I'm one of that group.

What's the biggest reason in your mind for the gap and what does GM need to do to radically change that perception? Thanks.

Speaker 3

So when I look at, all of the attention on some of the companies that you mentioned, I think it's a validation of the importance of the electrification strategy. I think, as we move forward, people will see all the strength we bring as it relates to scale, manufacturing capability, the technology that we're bringing, leading battery costs. So we've got to keep telling our story. We've got to deliver and that's exactly what we intend to do. We have the Lyric announcement next week, which is one of the highest clinician vehicles I've seen in my 40 year career From a customer perspective, we have more to share very shortly on the Hummer and as I said, the reveal in Q4.

The battery plant is raising steel today. So we're just going to keep delivering and demonstrate that we have products people want to buy.

Speaker 10

Thank you, Mary.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Itay Michaeli with Citi.

Speaker 11

Great, thanks. Good morning, everyone. David, I think you mentioned this in the outlook commentary, but how much roughly of the working capital and accrued do you expect to recover by year end even if we go back to last year's strike?

Speaker 4

Yes. So we're assuming Itay in the outlook of a recovery of about $5,000,000,000 from a working capital and sale to loans perspective. So we're not all the way back from a recovery of the cash burn that we experienced in first half as it relates to working capital. And that will happen as the industry continues to normalize. So a way to think about it is at 17,000,000 units, if you're roughly neutral working capital and we saw the burn in first half of the year as it gets closer to 17,000,000 it's almost like a linear way of thinking about it getting back to the neutral levels.

And as you know, it's also based on timing of production and the levels of production as well.

Speaker 11

Great. That's helpful. And then just, you mentioned the COVID situation and the rise in cases. I'm just curious if you're seeing any signs, whether it's globally, nationally or even by region of any recent signs of retail demand weakness just in light of the recent events?

Speaker 3

No, not really, Itay. We're cautiously optimistic as we see month over month improvement in China, as we see continued improvement in the United States and North America, and we expect a bit slower recovery due to the severity of COVID in South America. Great.

Speaker 11

And just lastly, Mary, I know in the past we spoke about and you've spoken about the opportunity for EVs to deploy them on rideshare networks. And wondering if there's updated views on that, particularly with one of the rideshare companies in the past few months committing to an all EV fleet by 2,030. Just curious if there's any other updated thoughts around how you might look to deploy EVs on rideshare networks?

Speaker 3

I think that's an opportunity for us, and I don't have anything specifically to announce today, but very much an opportunity.

Speaker 11

Great. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Brinkman with JPMorgan.

Speaker 7

Question. The performance in North America really stands out as very impressive. Just looking at the year over year change in EBIT divided by the year over year change in revenue, it seemed that decremental margin tracked somewhere in the order of 19%, dollars 3,100,000,000 decline in EBIT on $16,700,000,000 in revenue versus in most other quarters, I think operating leverage has been quite a bit higher. So clearly, this seems a result of the $1,400,000,000 of cost or $1,300,000,000 of performance other in the quarter. Are you able to sort of break down that cost improvement for us to help us maybe better understand how much of that cost cutting represents expenses that you have found maybe don't need to be added back as volume returns versus, I don't know, other cuts which are maybe less sustainable?

Speaker 4

Yes. It's difficult, Ryan, to put a dollar amount on this, but a portion of the cost in the bridge, I would say is timing, call it about $500,000,000 or so, which will get retimed into a different time period, maybe or into next year. And I think if you think about margins though, what you're seeing really in North America is quickly being able to flex structure, but also the product strength as well that we're seeing. As you think about future margins for North America, we're going to have the launch downtime behind us from both an SUV and heavy duty perspective. Last 3 years, if you think about it, we've been taking downtime to change over the entire portfolio.

So as you go forward here, you think about lack of downtime, whatever sticks from a cost perspective on efficiencies and continued execution of the transformational cost savings. So you see some tailwinds here and this quarter certainly demonstrates that you're seeing what the earnings part of North America can be.

Speaker 7

Okay, great. Thanks. And then if you were to just sort of add it all together, when you take the, I don't know, learning to be leaner and then the costs that do need to come back, and maybe considering also any sort of post COVID costs such as PPE for your employees or supply chain compression, would you say that your outlook today for long term GM North America margin of 10% plus is lower, higher or unchanged relative to prior to coronavirus?

Speaker 3

I would say it's unchanged. I think obviously are focused on safety and providing the right equipment, but I think we've been able to do that very efficiently along with other COVID costs. And I see excuse me, more cost opportunity as we move forward.

Speaker 7

Excellent. Great to hear. Thanks so much.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Emmanuel Rosner with Deutsche Bank.

Speaker 6

Hi, good morning.

Speaker 3

Good morning.

Speaker 6

So, Amer, when you look at the high market valuations and cheap access to capital of some of these electric vehicle companies we spoke about earlier, some established ones, but also many unproven start ups. Can that make you consider spinning off GM's electric vehicle operations and capability into a separate standalone entity? There seems to be large investor appetite for such assets, as we discussed before, but this cheap access to capital has frankly also become a strong competitive advantage for some of these companies.

Speaker 3

So Emmanuel, we are evaluating and always evaluate many different scenarios. So I don't have anything further to say other than we are open to looking at and evaluate anything that we think is going to drive long term shareholder value. So I would say nothing is off the table.

Speaker 6

Okay. I guess are there any technology or other sort of impediments or the way sort of like things are integrated together makes it complicated? You just talk a little bit about sort of like the factors that come into consideration?

Speaker 3

I'm not sure your question is hard to hear you, but I think you asked is there what are any potential impediments? And I don't look at things as impediments. I look at what is going to be the way to maximize the value creation. So I think there's many different paths that we are looking at that we could take. It all starts though with strong execution and building on the technical capability we have as well as our supply chains and our manufacturing capabilities.

So I don't really see any specific impediments.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you. And then for Divya, I was hoping to put your second half scenario, EBIT scenario in historical context. Obviously, it's a very strong outlook under that scenario. But at the same time, historically, there's been many half years where GM has done as well or better in first half of twenty nineteen, first half of twenty eighteen, second half of twenty eighteen.

But since then, you've taken out a tremendous amount of cost. And yes, the market is much lower, but your truck production is expected to be running all out. The pricing is great for the product that really matter for GM. It feels like there's a lot of upside versus back then. So can you maybe just put into context with puts and takes?

Speaker 4

Yes, sure. So you will still have in the second half of the year a couple of headwinds as it relates to wholesale still will be down relative to what might have been a kind of adjusted second half of last year a normal type environment. So depending on where the industry lands and our ability to fully recoup production, it depends on that. Secondly, GMF is projecting a 6% to 8% decline in used vehicle prices and a higher consumer loss number. And to the extent that that comes in at the better end of the range, there could be some GMF opportunity there.

Even though production is running all out, it is not quite back at the levels that pre COVID ability to run all out and especially in some of the international markets that Mary is talking about, we might still have some production levels that are lower than pre COVID. So GMF production levels and I think it's safe to say that a normal second half would be if you don't have downtime production is back at the normal levels and the credit losses and used vehicle prices normalize.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you for the color.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Mark Delaney with Goldman Sachs.

Speaker 12

Yes. Good morning and thanks for taking the questions. So maybe you could talk about the margin implications for the company as the mix shifts towards EVs in the near and intermediate term. And are there any milestones should be monitoring in order to gauge when the shift to EVs will be neutral to your margins? So some milestones in terms of where battery costs may need to be or certain volume of EVs that the company may need to ship?

Speaker 3

Well, as I've mentioned, Ina, we start rolling out off of our Ultium platform and cell system next year with the HUMMER EV and then continue. And early in that life, we think we're going to get to 100 and below, and then we have a fairly rapid plan to continue to take costs out. So I think it will happen over the life of that program that we'll be able to see the costs and depending on the ICE powertrain get to a parity point through that generation.

Speaker 12

That's helpful. And my follow-up question was around the down 6% to 8% used vehicle pricing that you had mentioned. Can you talk a little bit more about how GM is coming up with that? I think some of the investors we observed used pricing coming in stronger than that more recently. So just some context of how you're thinking about used pricing within that number that you quoted would be helpful?

Thanks.

Speaker 4

Yes. That is a very good point. We are seeing strong recovery after the low point in April. And we are looking to be more on the conservative side. Few reasons.

Clearly, the macro backdrop is a question mark at this point. And there's always seasonality in the second half of the year. There's increased off lease supply coming from the lease extensions that we've seen in the first half of the year. Rental car companies are de fleeting. There's also new vehicle inventories are starting to increase as we just talked about.

So when you put all of that together, we just think it's appropriate to be conservative. And clearly, if you're going to see a continued strength in the used vehicle prices as we have seen in the last few months, that represents an upside over

Speaker 8

what I talked about. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Rod Lache with Wolfe Research.

Speaker 13

Hi, everybody. Divya, I was hoping you can just clarify a couple of points here on the not guidance, but scenario that you laid out for the back half. You said $4,000,000,000 to $5,000,000,000 of EBIT in the back half. I think the sum of GM International, GMF, Cruise and Corp, it's probably around 1,000,000,000 dollars negative. So that would imply $5,000,000 to $6,000,000 from North America with some inventory and the cost structure that I assume eliminates some of the temporary stuff.

Is that what you're saying? And it seems like that would include about $1,400,000,000 $1,500,000,000 of inventory building. So maybe $3,500,000,000 at a 14,000,000,000 unit market. Is that kind of a reasonable interpretation?

Speaker 4

So, Rod, it's difficult to look at this on a regional basis. There's so much puts and takes across regions as well. But I think what you're trying to get to is what might a normalized underlying free cash flow potential of the company might be. And if assuming that's what you're trying to get to from the second half scenario that I provided, a simple way to think about it is we at the beginning of this year when we were expecting a $17,000,000 SAR environment, we guided to $7,000,000 of free cash flow. And we also said last quarter that if you had a $13,000,000 that's the point at which we would breakeven from a free cash flow perspective globally.

So that gives you sort of like the boundaries from a free cash flow standpoint. And depending on whatever demand environment you can come up with, you can interpolate between those points. The key takeaway I'm trying to communicate here is the underlying cash generation potential of the business remains intact with the pre COVID levels. And that's how to think about it. And obviously, you're going to see on a quarter to quarter some volatility associated with the production or a working capital assumption or sales allowances and so on.

But if you take a giant step back and think about what's changed since pre COVID, we would say the business is strong. The important product launches are behind us and they're performing really well. Ophth charity is anything to Mary's point is going to add to some level of bottom line. And importantly, we've been talking about cash conversion for a couple of years now And we're continuing to execute on those cash conversion measures and taking more dividends from GMF and so on. So we are I'd say the business is intact and that's how you should read into the numbers that I provided from a scenario standpoint.

Speaker 13

Okay. Thanks. Yes. And it's pretty clear. You explained, it sounds like $2,000,000,000 to $4,000,000,000 in the back CapEx working capital, but with some inventory build.

How should we be thinking about obviously macro is going to be the biggest driver of the variance from this year to next year. But the things that are within your control, Thailand and Australia, I think you've quantified is about 400,000,000 dollars You suggested on the call that you can get South America closer to breakeven. How should we be thinking about some of those items as we look out to next year?

Speaker 4

Yes. I'd say macro aside, the key tailwind will be the product downtime that I mentioned earlier here. We thought you saw that in each of the last few years and we're not going to have that. We're going to have a full year of Corvette sales. Adjacencies have been growing as you've seen both from an AnStar as well as a after sales perspective.

That's going to continue into 2021. And the GMI restructuring is on track with the actions we've already announced. South America, as I mentioned, we've been inching towards both the breakeven with both the revenue side as well as the cost side. Again, I won't put a timeline on it, but it's all hands on deck from a South America perspective. So from a controllable standpoint, I would say, we are on the right side of all of those initiatives in all the regions.

And as we look into 2021 from a cash flow standpoint, I think all of those will serve us as our strong suits for next year.

Speaker 13

Okay, great. And just lastly, I was hoping maybe you could just address, Mary, just the status of the China business right now. You mentioned You mentioned in your prepared remarks that especially luxury seems to be coming back, but it seems like Cadillac was still underperforming the market a bit as we looked at the last quarter. What do you see in that market at the moment? And what's your view on the prospects from here?

Speaker 3

I think we see an opportunity to continue to improve that business. Clearly, there continues to be ongoing pricing pressures, but we do have a strong cadence of new launches that I mentioned a few of them. We also addressed the issue and added the 4 cylinder engine options that I think inhibited some of our progress at the end of last year. So very important that we add the 4 cylinders. And then obviously, the region stays very disciplined on cost.

So as I look at the strength of Buick, we have seen progress in Cadillac. I agree with you that we can and we will do more. So I see an opportunity. For this year, we've kind of said that assuming kind of the trajectory that we're on, we'll continue to maintain the roughly $200,000,000 per quarter, but I see upside opportunity as we move forward. And you go even further, when you look at the recovery of that market and the ability of the market to get to a $30,000,000 type unit and our planned portfolio for NEVs, I think, in the medium term, there's even more opportunity for growth and profitability.

Speaker 13

Okay, great. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Brian Johnson with Barclays.

Speaker 14

Yes. Good morning, GM team. A couple of questions. So if we think of a chart you used to put out, sort of in the 2012, 2013 period, you'd showed North America fixed cost base. If I just do the math of subtracting about $10,000 per vehicle of variable contribution from your $11,000,000,000 of revenue.

I get to sort of $8,000,000,000 of cost times 4 is 32,000,000,000 dollars Can you update us on a couple of things? A, is that in the ballpark for your new fixed cost basis in North America? 2, of the cost reduction, how much was the fixed cost and how much was things like supplier price concessions or redesigning bill of materials and so forth?

Speaker 4

Yes. I'd say, Brian, the number that you came up with is probably on the higher side. I'd say it's lower than that. And part of it is actions we've taken with the transformational cost savings. If you think about it from the 2012, 2013 timeframe that you're alluding to, we have been consistently taking fixed cost out of the system.

So the I think you can reduce your number by at least the transformational cost savings, if not higher to get to a lower number. And the second question, a lot of the austerity actions were on the fixed cost side. So I'll give you a few examples. Marketing spend typically goes into this bucket of fixed cost that you're talking about. That was lower.

A lot of the salary deferrals as well as paid related items typically fall into fixed costs as well. That was lower. Travel and sundry expenses typically fixed costs. So it's less about extracting more variable concessions out of the system and more about these kinds of austerity actions that I talked about. Hopefully that's helpful.

Speaker 14

And as we kind of go into 2021, assuming things somewhat normalize in the world, how much of those fixed costs come back?

Speaker 4

That's the challenge, I'd say. If the transformational cost savings, I assume the doors are permanent and we will continue to move towards the $4,000,000,000 to 4 point $5,000,000,000 So that's a if anything, it will be on the high end of that range. And from a regular austerity perspective, whether it's salaried or the hourly pay and so on, clearly as we're restoring activity, that's going to come back. And the rest of the fixed costs,

Speaker 8

we need

Speaker 4

to see what we can do to make it stick. Obviously, when we give 2021 guidance and more color at that time, we'll be able to talk more about the cost environment. But really from a number standpoint, it's just too soon.

Speaker 14

Okay. And then just final question. Over on GM Financial, delinquencies were in good shape, but throughout the consumer finance industry, there are forbearance agreements with customers. Can you update us on where GM Financial closed forbearance and as opposed to risk to delinquencies, as we move into further into the fall?

Speaker 4

Yes. It's actually been very much on track. We've seen a slight pickup in earlier in the quarter towards the April timeframe. And actually, in the second half of the quarter, the numbers were starting to trend back down again. So we've been watching all of these numbers closely.

We've looked at late fees and all the payment deferrals. And we've seen that across the board, all these metrics are decreasing from the peak we saw in April, and we're returning closer to the normal levels by July. And obviously we're being conservative about it.

Speaker 14

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Your next question comes from the line of Dan Levy with Credit Suisse.

Speaker 15

Hi, good morning. Thank you.

Speaker 4

So first, just wanted

Speaker 15

to ask a question on inventory levels. I know you're saying a target of $600,000 by year end, but if I look at the 2018 to 2019 period, your typical month end inventory was typically around like 800,000 units. And I know we're not in a 17,000,000 SAAR, but what's a fair rebuild to assume over time beyond year end? As I assume that the $600,000 does reflect production constraints and isn't a target

Speaker 7

inventory per

Speaker 4

se? Yes. So 600, to your point, is based on a second half environment of closer to 14,000,000 light vehicle SAR that I alluded to. So we will calibrate this based on the demand level that we see. And to the extent that the industry is trending stronger, we will look to get back to the levels that are in the range, I would say, of what you just alluded to.

Clearly, from a truck standpoint, we will be limited by production capabilities as well since we're already running all out. And we are taking all the measures we can to increase or add to production levels on trucks as much as possible. And I think if we calibrate to an appropriate industry level, you will see that 600 numbers start to go back up again.

Speaker 15

Okay, great. Just as a follow-up, you've talked about I know you reaffirmed today the North America EBIT breakeven in SAAR of $10,000,000 to $11,000,000 You just did total company breakeven with your North America volume down 60 percent. SAAR down 60% is 7,000,000, it's a lot better than 10,000,000 to 11,000,000. So why isn't your breakeven better than the $10,000,000 to $11,000,000 you've highlighted? And given the resiliency of mix, is there potential to see 10% margin in a SAAR environment below $17,000,000 or is there something that we're missing?

Is it just about EV development expenses coming online? What are we missing there?

Speaker 4

Yes. So if you just take this quarter's results and looked at wholesale implied SAAR, if you will, wholesales were down 62% that would imply a SAAR of about 7,000,000 units. And the reason it is so much better than the 10,000,000 to 11,000,000 units as we were able to take a very significant, almost extreme austerity actions given that our production basically ground to a standstill. And you can ask yourself the question if it's more of a normal downturn. And everything is continuing, but demand is lower, how much of those levers will you be able to pull?

I think we think some of them would be difficult to pull when production is actually ongoing. So austerity will be dependent on the nature of the downturn. And secondly, you saw what pricing did this quarter, inventories were low, and the both the carryover pricing as well as the new vehicle pricing held up very well in this environment. And you're going to have to tell me what assumptions you make during a normal downturn to see if pricing levels would hold up at that level or not. So, look, we are going to continue to drive the breakeven level down.

And we're not settling comfortably at $10,000,000 to $11,000,000 We're going to push that down as much as possible. What we're not doing is using this particular unusual circumstance to revise a formal breakeven point to a different level. Having said that, we will work to reduce that as much as we can.

Speaker 15

Okay. If I could just squeeze in one more on the product side. Can you just talk about your presence in off road? We're obviously seeing

Speaker 4

a lot of

Speaker 15

excitement given the product actions of some of your competitors. So how much of a priority is off road for you? And what are your plans with AT4? Would you expand AT4 beyond GMC to Chevy brand?

Speaker 3

I think we look at each brand and are continuing to build on our off road offerings in GMC as well as Chevrolet. And then I think when you look to Hummer, you'll see true capability there as well. So we think it's very important. It's important to customers and we'll continue to expand our offerings.

Speaker 15

Okay, great. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Our last question will come from the line of Chris McNally with Evercore.

Speaker 8

Thanks so much. Fantastic results guys and thanks for the second half framework. So real quick one strategic and then one on the numbers. So I'm sort of in the spirit of some of the other EV questions, in the U.

Speaker 13

S. 12 upcoming models.

Speaker 8

But I think many industry participants believe that this may only be incremental progress and not really big leaps in particularly in design. And we even have trouble pointing to one of those vehicles, which could be sort of 100,000 plus. So to my question, would you mind just sharing what you think is GM's chance of or best chance of a high unit EV program versus, let's say, new product, which is more of a wide portfolio approach to EV?

Speaker 3

Well, I think if you step back and you look at what we've shared at our EV Day in March is we have with the new Ultium cell and platform technology, we have the BET, the battery our battery electric truck offerings and then our BEV, which I'll say kind of mainstream and then our BEV plus that allow us to do expressive vehicles. There's huge sharing between those three platforms that are foundational for the portfolio that we have coming forward. We do have a full portfolio plan to cover high volume segments. I think when you see, to start with the Cadillac Lyric and then the truck portfolio we have planned, you'll see that we plan on participating in a very significant way. And I think you'll see design and technology back it up to truly be tapping into what the customer wants, expect and the excitement that it will bring.

Speaker 13

But Mary, is it fair to

Speaker 8

say that it's more of a portfolio approach that really no one vehicle is going to lead the charge in terms of a high number of units?

Speaker 3

No, I don't think that's correct. I think that we have some entries that are in the sweet spot of key segments that are large segments and we intend to get our fair share plus more. So it won't be on the fringes, it will be mainstream.

Speaker 8

Okay, great. And then just one real quick one on the second half numbers. Is it fair to assume that the mix component should turn positive again in Q3 and Q4 even despite you have the tough comp of the HD launch last year, but obviously you have the new SUV launch this year. So can we see mix turn positive as well as volumes in second half?

Speaker 4

Yes. I think there's a few mix components. Obviously, truck and full size SUV production is going to drive favorability from a mix standpoint. And I wasn't sure whether you're talking about 2019 numbers adjusted or unadjusted for the labor disruption or not. But in terms of volume, we're going to see full size SUV ramp back up and that's generally favorable to mix.

And the other aspect is churn mix. And we're seeing, as I mentioned, 84 Denali and LTV and high country mix trending very high. And typically when those are strong, these are more profitable vehicles and those tend to be a tailwind as well from a mix standpoint. So both vehicle mix as well as trim mix driven by full size trucks as well as full size SUVs and more specifically should generally be favorable to tube mix as we go forward in the next few quarters.

Speaker 13

Okay, great. Very clear. Thanks so much.

Speaker 1

Thank you. I'd now like to turn the call over to Mary Barra for her closing comments.

Speaker 3

Again, thanks everybody for joining today. We recognize that we're at a critical point for General Motors, our company. We know from an industry perspective and frankly the world as you look at the virus. We are committed to leading through the current challenges and into the future to provide a very strong future. We are determined to run the business in a way that creates the value our shareholders deserve.

And with outstanding vehicles for those who attended our EV Day, the comments we had on the design and technology coming was very, very strong. We need to continue to share that much more broadly and we will. And we also are very focused on technology and having customer centered innovations like Super Cruise, which is an important step as we bring self driving vehicles to market. I hope you understand we are very focused on our work from an EV and an AV perspective and believe that will deliver not only growth, but profitable growth and ultimately help us achieve our vision of creating a world with 0 crashes, 0 emissions and 0 congestion. And I know many of you are eagerly awaiting to see more of our EV plan.

So in addition to the launch that we have next week on the Lyric, at 11 am today, we are posting a video to our IR and media website spotlighting the upcoming GMC Hummer EV. It's not a complete reveal, but it's more information and we believe it is truly the world's first super truck. So we hope you'll take some time to take a look. And thank you again for your time.

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes the conference call for today. Thank you for joining.

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