Good morning. My name is Rachel, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Second Quarter Earnings Results Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session.
Certain statements made in this call will constitute forward looking statements, which are subject to risks, uncertainties and contingencies. HEICO's actual results may differ materially from those expressed in or implied by those forward looking statements as a result of factors including, but not limited to, lower demand for commercial air travel or airline fleet changes or airline purchasing decisions, which could cause lower demand for our goods and services product development or product specification costs and requirements, which could cause an increase to our cost to complete contracts governmental and regulatory demands, export policies and restrictions, reductions in defense, base or homeland security spending by U. S. And or foreign customer or competition form from existing and new competitors, which could reduce our sales our ability to introduce new products and product pricing levels, which could reduce our sales and sales growth product development difficulties, which could increase our product development costs and delay sales our ability to make acquisitions and achieve operating synergies from acquired businesses, customer credit risk, interest and income tax rates and economic conditions within and outside of the aviation, defense, space, medical, telecommunications and electronic industries, which could negatively impact our cost and revenues and defense budget cuts, which could reduce our defense related revenue.
Those listening to this call are encouraged to review all of HEICO's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including but not limited to, filings on Form 10 ks, Form 10 Q and Form 8 ks. We undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except to the extent required by applicable law. Thank you, Mr. Mendelson. Please go ahead.
Thank you and good morning to everyone on this call and we thank you for joining us. We welcome you to the HEICO Second Quarter fiscal 2015 earnings announcement telecom. I'm Larry Mendelson. I'm the Chairman and CEO of HEICO Corporation. And today, I'm joined here this morning by Eric Mendelson, HEICO's Co President and President of HEICO's Flight Support Group Victor Mendelson, HEICO's Co President and President of HEICO's Electronic Technologies Group Tom Irwin, HEICO's Senior Executive Vice President and Carlos Macau, our Executive Vice President and CFO.
Before reviewing our 2nd quarter operating results in detail, I'd like to take a few moments to make a summary. Firstly, I'd like to thank all of the HEICO team members for the tremendous efforts that they have put forth and continue to put forth in operating the company in the most outstanding manner and producing the outstanding and record results that HEICO has just announced. It is due to those team members that we're able to sustain a continuous growth path and we are at the top level of management truly indebted to the people who run the businesses on a day to day basis. Our consolidated year to date net income, operating income, net sales represent all time record results for HEICO, driven principally by record net sales within both segments and record operating income within ETG. Consolidated 2nd quarter operating income represents a record quarterly result, driven principally by improved consolidated operating margin, record net sales and operating income within Flight Support and continued year over year growth in net sales and operating income within ETG.
Consolidated operating income in the 2nd quarter and the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 are up 13% and 3% over last year, respectively. Consolidated net income in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 are up 17% and 9% over last year respectively. Consolidated net income per diluted share increased 17% to $0.49 in the Q2 of fiscal 2015, up from $0.42 in the Q2 of fiscal 2014. Cash flow, which as you know is one of our critical metrics provided by operating activities increased to $64,800,000 in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015, up from $55,000,000 in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2014. As of April 30, 2015, the company's net debt to shareholders' equity ratio was only 37% and with net debt of $306,100,000 Our mission remains providing net income and cash flow to shareholders by servicing our customers.
We do not focus on increasing sales just to have a larger company, so management can draw larger salaries. Our Q2 again validated that strategy. In May 15, the company through its HEICO Flight Support Corp. Subsidiary completed a bolt on acquisition of Thermal Energy Products. Thermal Energy Products, engineers, designs and manufacturers removable and or reusable insulation systems for industrial, commercial, aerospace and defense applications and will become part of the Specialty Products Group.
In March 15, we reported that our Sierra Microwave and 3 d Plus subsidiaries supplied mission critical flight hardware on NASA's Dawn spacecraft. That spacecraft became the first mission in history to achieve orbit around a dwarf planet. Once again, our fellow HEICO team members have us overflowing with pride. Our subsidiaries have repeatedly supplied successful and critical components on important space missions. And we congratulate both teams at Sierra Microwave and 3d plus on these tremendous accomplishments.
Now I would like to introduce Eric Mendelsohn, Co President of HEICO and President of HEICO's Flight Support Group and he will discuss the results of the Flight Support Group.
The Flight Support Group's net sales increased 4% to a record 202,800,000 dollars and increased 2% to a record $384,800,000 in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015, respectively, up from $194,900,000 $376,500,000 in the Q2 and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2014 respectively. The increase in the Q2 and 1st 6 months principally reflects net sales contributed by our fiscal 2015 acquisitions, partially offset by lower net sales of certain industrial products within our specialty products line. Further, the net sales increase in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 reflects additional net sales from new product offerings and favorable market conditions in our aftermarket replacement parts product line. As a result of the aforementioned lower sales of certain industrial products, the Flight Support Group experienced a 3% and a 2% organic revenue decline in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 respectively. Excluding this net sales decrease, the Flight Support Group experienced organic growth of approximately 1% 3% in the Q2 and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 respectively, following a particularly strong first half of fiscal twenty fourteen when we had organic growth of over 17%.
For the full year, we are estimating FSG's organic growth excluding Industrial Products will be mid to upper single digits. As noted last quarter, the Industrial Products net sales is principally attributed to a reduction in product demand associated with a particular customer in the related completion of such customer orders in late fiscal 14. The Flight Support Group's operating income increased 2% to a record $37,500,000 in the Q2 of fiscal 2015, up from $36,900,000 in the Q2 of fiscal 2014. The increase in operating income is principally attributed to the previously mentioned increase in net sales, partially offset by an increase in amortization expense of intangible assets associated with the fiscal 2015 acquisition. The Flight Support Group's operating income totaled $68,200,000 $69,100,000 in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 2014, respectively.
The decrease in operating income principally reflects an increase in amortization expense of intangible assets associated with the fiscal 2015 acquisition and a slightly less favorable product mix, mainly resulting from the previously mentioned decrease in net sales of certain industrial products. The Flight Support Group's operating margin was 18.5% and 17.7% in the Q2 and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 respectively, compared to 18.9% 18.4% in the Q2 and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2014, respectively. The operating margin decrease in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 is principally attributed to the previously mentioned increase in amortization expense associated with the fiscal 2015 acquisitions and a slightly less favorable product mix attributed to the previously mentioned decrease in certain industrial product lines. Now I would like to introduce Victor Mendelson, Co President of HEICO and President of HEICO's Electronic Technologies Group to discuss the results of the Electronic Technologies Group.
Thank you, Eric. The Electronic Technologies Group's net sales increased 1% to 91 dollars 1,000,000 and 2% to a record $180,200,000 in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015, respectively, up from $89,700,000 $177,200,000 in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 20 14 respectively. All of the increase was organic, principally resulting from higher demand for certain medical defense and aerospace products. The Electronic Technologies Group's operating income increased 22% to $22,200,000 in the Q2 of fiscal 2015, up from $18,100,000 in the Q2 of fiscal 2014. The operating income increase principally reflects a more favorable product mix for certain space and defense products, a constant focus on efficiency and lower amortization expense of intangibles.
The Electronic Technologies Group's operating income increased 1% to a record $41,600,000 in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015, up from $41,000,000 in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2014. This increase principally reflects a more favorable product mix for certain space and defense products and lower amortization expense of intangible assets, partially offset by an $8,100,000 reduction in accrued contingent consideration recognized in the prior year. The Electronic Technologies Group's operating margin improved to 24.4% in the Q2 of fiscal 2015, up from 20.2% in the Q2 of fiscal 2014. The ETG's operating margin of 23.1% for the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 approximates 23.2% reported in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2014. This increase in the Q2 of fiscal 2015 principally reflects the previously mentioned focus on efficiency, favorable product mix and lower amortization expense of intangible assets.
I'll turn the call back over to Larry Mendel. Our consolidated net income per diluted share increased 17% 8% to $0.49 $0.90 in the 2nd quarter and the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 and that was up from $0.42 and $0.83 in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2014. Net income per diluted share in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 benefited from the retroactive extension of the U. S. Federal R and D income tax credit in the Q1 of fiscal 2015, which principally contributed to the reduction in our effective tax rate from 32.9% in the first 6 months of fiscal 2014 down to 29.8% in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015.
I would like to remind everyone that consolidated net income per diluted share in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2014 included a net $0.05 benefit from a reduction in the fair value of contingent consideration related to a prior year acquisition and that was partially offset by lower than expected operating income at the acquired business. Depreciation and amortization expense totaled 12,200,000 $23,100,000 in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 compared to $12,100,000 24 $100,000 in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2014. R and D expense increased 9% 6 percent to $10,100,000 $19,400,000 in the Q2 and 1st 6 months of 2015, respectively, and that was up from $9,300,000 $18,400,000 in the Q2 and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2014. Significant ongoing new product development efforts are continuing at both Flight Support and ETG as we continue to invest approximately 3% to 4% of each sales dollar into new product development. Our effective strategy for the last 24 years has been to reinvest a portion of earnings into the development of new products and services so that we can offer at lower costs to our customers, which in turn facilitates market share growth sufficient to meet our growth goals.
SG and A expense totaled 49,700,000 dollars 97,100,000 in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 and that compared to 50.8 $1,000,000 92,500,000 in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2014. The decrease in the Q2 of fiscal 2015 is principally attributed to a $1,600,000 reduction in corporate expense, mainly resulting from unrealized gains from foreign currency translation adjustments on borrowings denominated in euros and this is under our revolving credit facilities and lower proved performance based compensation expense. The increase in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 principally reflects an $8,100,000 decrease in adjustments to accrued contingent consideration associated with the prior year acquisition. And that was partially offset by a $2,900,000 reduction in corporate expense, mainly resulting from unrealized gains from foreign currency translation adjustments on borrowings in euros under our revolving credit facility plus lower again lower accrued performance based compensation expense. SG and A expense as a percent of total sales totaled 17.1% percent 17.4 percent in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 and this compared to 18% and 16.8% in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2014.
The decrease in the 2nd quarter of fiscal 2015 principally reflects what I mentioned before lower corporate expenses. The increase in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 principally reflects the larger reduction in the accrued contingent consideration recognized in the prior year, again partially offset by lower corporate expense. Interest expense in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 was $1,100,000 $2,300,000 down from $1,400,000 $2,700,000 in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2014. The decrease in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 reflects lower weighted average balance outstanding under our revolving credit facility as we continue to pay down debt from our strong operating cash flow. Other income in the Q2 and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 was not significant.
Our effective tax rate in the Q2 of fiscal 2015 decreased to 30%, down from 31.8% in the Q2 of fiscal 2014. The decrease is principally attributed to the benefit of recognizing additional foreign tax credits related to R and D activities at 1 of our foreign subsidiaries, inclusive of a prior year tax return amendment. Additionally, the decrease in the effective tax rate reflects no provision for U. S. Income tax on the undistributed earnings of a fiscal 2015 acquisition located in a lower tax rate jurisdiction.
These decreases were partially offset by the impact of a larger reduction in accrued contingent consideration in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2014 and that was associated with a prior year acquisition acquired by means of a non taxable stock transaction. I'm sure to most of you that sounded like a confusing gobbledygook, but you are welcome to ask questions after this presentation and Carlos and Tom, I'm sure can explain it very clearly. Our effective tax rate in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 decreased to 29.8% from 32.9% in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2014. The decrease is principally due to an income tax credit for qualified R and D activities for the last 10 months of fiscal 2014 and that was recognized in the Q1 of fiscal 2015 and that resulted from the retroactive extension of the U. S.
Federal R and D Tax Credit in December 2014 and that covered the calendar year 2014. In addition, the decrease in the effective tax rate reflects the benefit of recognizing additional foreign tax credit relating to R and D activities at 1 of our foreign subsidiaries. Furthermore, the decrease in the effective tax rate was partially offset by the previously mentioned impact of a larger reduction in accrued contingent consideration in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2014. Net income attributable to non controlling interest was $5,400,000 $9,900,000 in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 compared to $4,400,000 $9,500,000 in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of 2014, respectively. The increase in the 2nd quarter and 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015 principally reflects higher allocations of net income to certain subsidiaries of the FSG and ETG in which non controlling interests are held and this includes fiscal 2015 acquisitions.
On a combined basis, we estimate the fiscal 2015 effective tax rate and non controlling interest allocations will approximate 39% to 40% of consolidated pretax income for the full fiscal year. Moving on to balance sheet and cash flow. We know that our financial position and forecasted cash flow remain extremely strong. Cash flow provided by operating activities increased 18% to $64,800,000 in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2015, up from $55,000,000 in the 1st 6 months of fiscal 2014. My own comment is somebody one time told me that earnings per share is opinion and cash flow is fact and HEICO operates on that theory.
We focus number 1 on cash flow and then on earnings per share because the quality of our earnings is reflected in our cash flow, which normally runs 140% to 180% of reported net income. Working capital is strong at 3.2 times as of April 30, 2015 and that was up from 2.8 as of October 31, 2014. DSOs receivables 47 days in both April 30, 2015 October 31, 2014. We do continue to closely monitor receivable collection in order to limit credit exposure. We rarely have credit losses.
No one customer accounted for more than 10% of net sales. Our top five customers represented approximately 18% 17% in the Q2 of fiscal 2015 2014. Inventory turnover rate was 111 days as of April 30, 2015 and that was comparable to the 106 as of October 31, 2014. Net debt to shareholders' equity ratio was 37% on April 30, 2015 and net debt equal to 306.1 percent principally incurred to fund acquisitions as well as the payment of the special cash dividends, which we did in fiscal 2014 and 2013. We have no significant debt maturities until fiscal 2019 and we plan to utilize our financial flexibility to aggressively pursue high quality acquisition opportunities, which will accelerate the growth and maximize shareholder returns.
Now for the outlook. As we look ahead to the remainder of fiscal 2015, we continue to anticipate organic growth in commercial aviation products and services, moderated by lower demand for certain industrial related products within our specialty product lines. We expect improved organic growth within ETG as compared to the prior year and this reflects increased demand for the majority of our products. During the remainder of fiscal 2015, we plan to continue to focus on new product development, further market penetration, executing acquisition strategies and maintaining financial strength. At this time, we are actively pursuing numerous acquisition opportunities.
I'm normally asked or we are normally asked on these calls to kind of outline our acquisition pipeline. The acquisition pipeline is quite strong. We are looking at a number of acquisitions, which all of which would be accretive to HEICO, all of which would be within our target purchase price and all of which we believe are strong businesses, which will add to the economic and business and financial base of HEICO Corporation. Some of them, one in particular is larger than we normally make. We think if we can conclude it, it would be an outstanding acquisition.
But all of these items in the pipeline, we consider to be really excellent. We cannot predict when these acquisitions might close, if they do close. The due diligence process that we exercise is extremely rigorous. We do our own due diligence. We do not farm it out.
And we have our financial, marketing, operating people on the scene for all acquisitions. I remind you, we have done over 50 acquisitions since this management took over. We have never had a failed acquisition. Some have been better than others, but we have never had a failed one. We are particularly careful in what we do.
And we do believe that we will be able to close some of these transactions certainly within this fiscal year. Based on current economic visibility, and again, excluding all these potential acquisitions that we might make, we continue to estimate full fiscal growth year growth in net sales and net income of about 8% to 10% over fiscal 2014 levels with our consolidated operating margin approximating 18%. In addition, we continue to anticipate depreciation and amortization expense of approximately 48,000,000 dollars CapEx to approximate $25,000,000 and cash flow from operations to approximate 200,000,000 dollars In closing, we assure you that we'll continue to focus on intermediate and long term growth strategies as opposed to quarter to quarter focus. And we will emphasize acquiring profitable businesses at what we consider to be fair, reasonable and accretive prices. That is the extent of our prepared remarks.
And we'd like to open the floor for questions, please.
Your first question is from the line of Robert Spingarn, Credit Suisse.
Good morning. Good morning, Rob.
Larry, that was just an outstanding level of detail. Thank you. And in trying to peel the onion, it looks like both net income and margins are tracking to the guidance in the first half. But the one thing that isn't is sales. And so sales are going to improve in the second half.
You talked about some tough comps. I was hoping perhaps you or Eric or Victor could talk a little bit more about the organic growth expected in the second half and to what extent if any some of this M and A you mentioned might be built into that forecast?
Okay. Eric is going to focus on that. He'll respond to it.
Hi, Rob. With regard to the level of sales, of course, within the Flight Support Group, we mentioned that we are anticipating mid to high single digit sales increases, organic sales increases in the Flight Support Group for the second half of the year. If you recall, we had particularly tough comps for the last 6 months with organic sales up in the 2014 period, first half up 17%. So we've had tough comps. In addition, we had the completion of that industrial product contract.
And as a result, that brought us down. But we do anticipate an increase coming into the second half. Also to point out and to add a little bit of color, we do participate a little bit in the asset management business. And that business also was down a little bit in the first half of this year, in particular in the second quarter, primarily as a result of, in our opinion, asset prices being bid up to very aggressive levels where we've decided to sit out and rather than speculate and if you will take tight margins and have risk in inventory and receivables, we've decided to trim back our exposure there a little bit. So that's brought it down a little bit.
But we are doing quite nicely over on our parts repair and distribution aftermarket businesses. I don't know if that answers your question.
And Rob, this is Victor. On the ETG side, I think you see that we tend to be somewhat volatile quarter to quarter and we continue to expect low to mid single digit organic growth out of the ETG on the full year.
So the total growth, when you look at it that way, Eric, the organic mid to high single, I think you said? Correct. And what are you looking for, for total growth?
And by the way, Let me
point that that is excluding as we mentioned in the press release in the conference call, That is excluding the industrial products that would be just out of the commercial side.
Right. So including everything to get to the 8% to 10% for the year for the guidance, what how should we think about absolute sales or growth total sales growth in the second half here, I guess, in both businesses?
I'm going to let
Carlos answer
Rob, this is Carlos. The guidance that we give, the 8% to 10% sales growth is consolidated guidance. And it includes the impact of the acquisitions that we've got to date. Plus, we've got some bolt on acquisitions that we're looking to that are close in the process of completion that are factored into sort of a probability weighted outlook on what the year will do. So that's principally how we get to the 8% to 10% growth.
It's not broken down by segment.
Rob, also it doesn't include because we don't know the potential acquisitions that I spoke to and we can't A, predict that they're going to close and B, will they close in May, June, July, August and that would impact when. And one of them, a couple of them are slightly larger than we normally do. So that's a question mark is up in the air.
Right. But that would be additive.
That would be additive.
That would be. So Carlos, going back to your point, if you could you distinguish between the what the growth would be with or without those bolt ons?
No, I think the way that we look at it is, we give a range and the range of 8% to 10%. If we do nothing, we're at the 8% range. And if we add a product line, a bolt on, then we're in the middle to the high end of that. And that's kind of how we look at it.
Okay. Okay. Thank you all.
Thanks, Roy.
Your next question is from the line of Larry Solow, CJS Securities.
Hi. Good morning, guys.
Good morning, Larry.
Just to reaffirm on that. So essentially, if you don't do any more bolt ons, which would sound like there would be pretty small contributions anyhow, you're targeting sort of the lower end of the range. And the range essentially for the most part is the additional of bolt ons or not. Is that fair to say?
I think that's a fair way to look at it, Larry.
Okay, great. And just I know you guys have been sort of you in the last couple of calls were cautious pretty much in the first half of the year and with a pickup in the back half. It seems like most of that is just a function of timing, tough comps. Would you characterize the spending and the environment demand is pretty steady, but good? I assume so, because it looks like your guidance sort of implies low double digit growth at least than FSG excluding the industrial piece.
Larry, this is Eric. With regard to the FSG, we are anticipating growth in revenue off of the 1st and second quarters into the 3rd and 4th quarters. So it is partly as a result, as you point out, easier comps, but there is also growth embedded in there as
well. And have you seen any impact anecdotally or as the year is progressing? And I realize oil has certainly stabilized and rebounded a little bit, but seems like it's certainly well below prior levels. Have you seen less retirements or a little more hesitant in retiring aircraft?
We've seen a little bit
of it. I wouldn't say that it's been a significant impact. There are some cases of aircraft that were planned to be taken out of service that didn't have time left on them. So they did have to overhaul the components of the engine. So we have seen a little bit of that.
But if you recall, we've always been very conservative on this point. And we're traditionally conservative on our guidance because we receive most of our orders in the month of shipment. So we truly don't have that kind of visibility into the future like some other companies may have. So that's why we've been conservative. We see a little bit, but we're not anticipating a big resurgence.
That could happen.
And there
have been some airlines that have expressed an interest in picking up on that market. But until we see it translate into parts sales, we think it's too early to call.
Got it. Just in the Specialty Industrial Products side, I realized there was this one large contract that expired. You guys had spoken over the last couple of quarters about some other deals you're working on that had some projects had shifted a little bit to the right. Any update on those? And do you see some signs of rebound as we look out?
Yes. We're very encouraged in those areas. I just did a review with that business and those programs are on the revised track. We do have the business. It's just a matter of when the manufacturers need our product, because our product typically goes on the end of the production line.
So we're sort of one of the last things that goes in there. But we're in, I think, very good shape with respect to both aerospace as well as some additional industrial products. So I'm pretty optimistic in that area.
Got it. Great. Thank you very much. Thanks.
Your next question is from the line of Michael Ciarmoli, KeyBanc Capital Markets.
Hi, good morning guys. It's actually Kevin on for Mike.
Good morning.
If I understood correctly, it seems like the outlook for revenue growth in ETG improved a little bit. I think last quarter you said you were looking for revenue and EPS growth to kind of be in line with fiscal 2014. Now it sounds like you're expecting improved organic revenue growth there. Is that the right way to look at it? And any color you can give on kind of what drove that improvement?
Sure. So this is Victor. I think it was pretty broad. The improvement has been pretty broad for us across most of the product lines and segments that we serve in the ETG. Defense has been decent actually growing a little bit.
This continued in the Q2. We talked about a little bit in the call on the Q1. Space has been good for us. Commercial aviation has been good for us. Medical has been good for us.
What's been a little weaker is where we serve other markets, which we just sort of lumped together, we call general commercial or general electrical or general industrial markets. And so everything's kind of holding in right now I think pretty nicely. We talked about in the past the outlook for defense. I'll answer this sort of prophylactically because I know somebody will ask it and that is that defense has been stronger. We've talked about in the past, I think in the Q4 call, sort of saying that we would expect maybe toward the end of 2015 or sometime in early 2016 to see some improvement.
It's happening faster than that. We tend to be cautious in the statements that we make. But of course, I will point out that we still don't know where domestic defense budgets will wind up ultimately. So we're being pretty careful on how we view those, both by the way in the way we operate the businesses and in the acquisitions that we look at. So we are interested in defense acquisitions and we're looking at some now, but we are highly selective as to what will go after.
Great. Thanks. Thanks for that color, Victor. Any update you can give us on what you're seeing on the component repair side in the quarter? I know with some of your competitors, we saw some timing issues and softness the quarter.
Just wondering what you guys are seeing in that business?
I think we're doing very well. We continue to take market share. I'm very, very pleased with our team and the business that they've been able to develop and grow the new products they're coming out with. So I feel very good in that area.
Okay. Thanks. And then last one for me and I'll jump back in queue. How are you guys positioning yourselves here? And I guess the product portfolio with the first 787 starting to come off warranty, I mean, how does that kind of that ramp work on your end?
And where are you in that process?
Yes. That comes a bit further down the road for We need to have a larger fleet out there. Right now, they're working on a lot of the operational issues, the teething issues with those aircraft and the opportunity for us would come down the road. We don't have on the replacement parts side any significant 787s volume, maybe a little bit on the distribution side, some perhaps specialty definitely specialty manufacturing would have some exposure there. But not in terms of aftermarket replacement parts or repair services at this time.
Okay. Thanks. Thanks. Thank you.
Your next question is from the line of Jonathan Morales, Canaccord Genuity.
Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. So Eric, this question is for you. So are there any unique trends, I guess, you're seeing in commercial aftermarket either by region or airline type that you can comment on?
No, I wouldn't say anything really in particular. There continues to be a tremendous amount of interest in the products and the repairs that we're coming out with. I think we're doing very well. We're executing very well. But I wouldn't say that there's anything significantly different from what we've discussed.
I just did a review with all of our the heads of our different sales regions. And I think we're operating very well. I'm quite pleased with how we're doing.
Got you. Thank you. And then Victor, what's your outlook for defense spending? And I guess are you seeing any uptick in particular in demand for electronics, I guess as part of sort of an upgrade cycle?
I think we've seen some improved demand from where it had been. Some of it is probably upgrade related or some of it definitely is upgrade related. At this point, honestly, I know as much about the defense budget and where it's going really as anyone else. I think that although the headline defense budget is being kept in check, we've all seen what's going on, on the supplemental side. And so it just seems to me as though there's a lot of inertia to plussing up the defense budget either directly or indirectly.
And that should happen and it should benefit us somewhere along the line. I still prefer to be out there telling people think about it in terms of 2016 and if it happens sooner and I know it has been happening sooner, but if it happens sooner, great. But don't count on it until then. I think that's a safer bet.
Okay. Thanks, Victor. And then that's all I had. Thank you, guys.
Thank you.
Your next question is from the line of Howard Grubel, Jefferies.
Thank you very much. Larry, maybe for a moment you might want to talk about what's changed so that all of a sudden you're looking at bigger deals? Is it the sellers? Is it you've expanded your scope? If you could characterize the environment a bit.
Yes. I think that it's we're an opportunistic buyer and some of the as you know the very large deals normally at much higher PE ratio, some of them go at 14 and we bow out. We're not in the market for those kind of pricing. Some of the deals that we're seeing, they're not huge deals, but I would say they're on the slight couple of them are in the slightly larger size than we normally do. They're not gigantic deals, but they're wonderful companies.
And if we could disclose at this point, we can't, but if we could, I think everybody would agree that these are wonderful opportunities. Now we have to get into the due diligence and so forth and see if we can make them. But it's just that they became available. They were the right kind of sellers for HEICO acquisition and it just kind of worked out. In the mix there, there are a few smaller ones too, which are our normal bite sized transactions.
Carlos mentioned the bolt on things and they're small, but some of them are larger, but wonderful, wonderful companies and it's just the way it falls out, just the way it falls out.
No, that's fine.
We have as you know, just we have the firepower to buy much, much larger companies. I mean, we have this $800,000,000 revolver unsecured. The banks want to bring it to 1,000,000,000 at the moment we can accomplish our growth objectives without going to a 1,000,000,000. But in addition to that, we have really, I don't want to say unlimited, but unlimited in terms of how much we need to meet growth objective. We target a 20% growth over the next 3 to 5 years bottom line.
And we easily have the financial capability to do that without stretching and without putting the company's neck on the line. So, but it's really we are opportunistic buyers and we buy good properties at good prices. They're accretive and they cash flow and that's really our formula.
It just sounds like these are more mature prospects than you've seen in a while.
Not necessarily. I think that again, it's a broad mix and they're all wonderful companies. Some of them, they cover the waterfront. They really do. And we're very again, we're very discerning, very selective.
And all of these as companies, operating entities are ideal for HEICO to acquire. Now it's up to us to do the due diligence and make sure. Unfortunately, we have found you probably know this from your own experience that sometimes sellers or their investment banker representatives become a little overly optimistic. And they try to sell, call it what it is a pig in a poke. And they try to tell you that it's this much this year, but next year, wow, we're going to double all that.
And we have to go in there and really do a thorough due diligence, which is very time consuming, because unfortunately we can't take them at the word. We're not buying public companies where we have SEC filed statements and so forth. So these are basically private companies or and we just have to be very, very careful. And that's what takes a long. Howard, this is Victor.
Also, I should point out that over the years, we bought companies with different growth rates, some on the fairly low side, but very strong and stable, and others that are faster growth. So what we're looking at is within our typical mix in that regard. Howard, the key the bottom line key to this is number 1, strong cash flow return for what we invest. You know that we look for 20% operating margin, which quick and dirty gives us a it's very Very nicely accretive. It's accretive, It's but not only accretive in earnings because I can do that easy.
I can go out and buy things that have big CapEx and working capital requirements and then go to the bank or go to the investment bankers and raise equity and to pay for it. That anybody can do that and some companies do to raise the top line and show, oh, we're growing the top line. We don't do that. We want to be since we're the largest shareholders, it's our money at stake and every investor in HEICO is our partner. So if we guess right and we make our money work for us, we're making our money work for every single investor.
That's our philosophy. That's the basic philosophy. And if we see a great company and it's 20% or 25% return on investment, hey, we're going to buy that company because that's a wonderful return. And if it doesn't grow that much, okay, it doesn't grow that much. But that's a wonderful return and we take that money and put it towards acquisitions of faster growing ones as Victor said.
So there it's kind of a mix.
I appreciate that. And I just have one question in another context and then I'm done. And if we look at flight hour growth for airlines, it looks like it's 5%, 6% globally. And if we look at sort of what you're thinking about in the second half for FSG, it's kind of in that same range organically. What's happening with pricing or mix so that we're not seeing something a little bit more robust than that?
I think, well, of course, some of the flight hour growth is newer aircraft that are being delivered and those aren't requiring yet spares. So I think that is part of it. And I think we're just typically fairly conservative in our estimate.
Thank you, gentlemen.
Thank you, Howard.
Your next question is from the line of Steve Levinson with Stifel.
Thanks. Good morning, everybody.
Good morning, Steve.
Just curious on the development spending you're planning, is it more focused on parts or on service processes? And is it on a particular platform or is it spread out over a number of platforms?
Steve, this is Eric. With regard to the Flight Support Group, I'd say that it's spread out. It's in both parts. It's in services and it is spread out. I mean, it typically is on the more numerous platforms that are out there.
But it is very well diversified.
Steve? Okay. Thanks.
Sorry, go ahead.
This is Victor. I was going to add essentially the same thing as on the ETG. I think throughout HEICO that would be appropriate.
Okay. In terms of the platforms that are out there, there are a certain number of them, for example, 757s that seem to be coming out of service. I think it's a pretty popular plane, but it's probably one of the ones in your sweet spot. So is that going to have an impact or are any of the other parts you haven't becoming obsolete due to retirement of the aircrafts or more commodity like?
No. I would say it really is across the board. We're the new product development is really focused everywhere. We tend not to focus on the order aircraft and we tend to focus on the aircraft where there's a lot in a lot flying right now. I don't know if that answers your question.
Yes, I think so. You just wonder because some of the ones that are the oldest planes are the ones you would think might be coming out. I know you're not likely focusing new product development there, but I just wonder if you're going to be left with something if that has somehow affected organic growth.
Yes. No, I mean, our estimates include retirement of the older aircraft. I mean, in particular, the 757 is expected to come out of the fleet over the next number of years. So our estimates have that embodied in there already.
Got it. Good to know. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
We have no other questions. Are there any closing remarks?
The only closing remarks, again, we look forward to speaking to you in about 3 months on the 3rd quarter telecom. And we thank everyone for their interest in HEICO. We remain as a management, top management available for phone calls, visits, if you'd like to have any questions answered, if you want to visit the facilities, you're welcome, make an appointment with us. And we thank you for your interest in HEICO and your support. So that is the extent of my remarks.