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Earnings Call: Q2 2022

Jul 28, 2022

Operator

Good morning. My name is Emma, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the HNI Corporation second quarter fiscal 2022 results conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you'd like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, again, press the star one. Thank you. Mr. McCall, you may begin your conference.

Matt McCall
VP of Investor Relations and Corporate Development, HNI Corporation

Good morning. My name is Matt McCall. I'm Vice President, Investor Relations and Corporate Development for HNI Corporation. Thank you for joining us to discuss our second quarter fiscal 2022 results. With me today are Jeffrey Lorenger, Chairman, President, and CEO, and Marshall Bridges, Senior Vice President and CFO. Copies of our financial news release and non-GAAP reconciliations are posted on our website. Statements made during this call that are not strictly historical facts are forward-looking statements, which are subject to known and unknown risks. Actual results could differ materially. The financial news release posted on our website includes additional factors that could affect actual results. The corporation assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during the call. I'm now pleased to turn the call over to Jeffrey Lorenger. Jeff?

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Thanks, Matt. Good morning, and thank you for joining us. Our members delivered strong top and bottom-line performance in the second quarter while we continue to invest in strengthening our operational network and go-to-market capabilities. Today, I will cover three key points and discuss why we remain on the right track for 2022 and beyond. First, we delivered 30% earnings growth in the quarter, driven by solid organic volume growth and positive price cost. Second, we continued to invest and deploy capital, maintaining our focus on our long-term strategies and on increasing shareholder returns. Third, last week we divested Lamex, a move consistent with our previously announced portfolio simplification efforts that will allow us to better focus on our core strategies going forward. I will cover these points and discuss some thoughts on the recent demand environment. Marshall will then go through our updated 2022 outlook.

I will then conclude with some general closing comments. Finally, we will open up the call to your questions. Moving to our first key point, we delivered 30% earnings growth in the quarter, driven by organic volume growth and positive price cost. Both Workplace Furnishings and Residential Building Products generated double-digit year-over-year revenue growth in the quarter. In Workplace Furnishings, price realization and increased volume drove strong top-line growth. When excluding the impacts of the recent restructuring in one of our e-commerce businesses, segment shipments grew nearly 30% in the quarter. In Residential Building Products, pricing volume and lead time improvements drove 21% organic revenue growth in the quarter. Segment backlog levels remain elevated, which helps improve our second half visibility.

Sequentially, our consolidated gross and operating margins improved in the second quarter as we benefited from higher volume and continued to make progress recovering the inflationary pressure we faced last year. During the second quarter, price exceeded cost by nearly $8 million. We continue to expect price cost to deliver significant profit improvement in 2022. In fact, our price cost expectation has improved from what we shared with you last quarter. I will now move on to my second key point. We continued to invest and deploy capital, maintaining our focus on our long-term strategies. The post-COVID environment, labor, and supply chain dynamics continue to be challenging. In response, we opened a new seating facility in Mexico, relocated production lines to take advantage of locations with better labor dynamics, and implemented multiple other operational changes.

These investments, which totaled over $5 million in the second quarter, are positioning us for the long term by making our operations more productive and more resilient. We also continue to make investments in our go-to-market capabilities, including advancing our digital efforts, enhancing our connection with end users, and developing new products. During the quarter, we acquired a hearth products installing distributor located in Raleigh, North Carolina. It will add to our already strong competitive position in this fast-growing region. This is the sixth installing distributor we have acquired in the past three years. We now own 27 installing distributors, providing us with unmatched service capability and an improved connection with home buyers, homeowners, and home builders. In total, more than 25% of segment revenue now flows through our unique vertically integrated Residential Building Products model.

Inorganic growth will remain an important part of our long-term strategy in our Residential Building Products segment. Finally, we returned more than $50 million to shareholders in the quarter. We now have returned more than $170 million over the past four quarters through dividends and repurchases, demonstrating our strong cash flow generation capabilities of our business model. As Marshall will discuss in more detail in a moment, our balance sheet remains in great shape. I'll finish with my third key point. We continue to make progress simplifying our business. Last week, we announced the sale of Lamex, a China and Hong Kong-based office furniture business, for $75 million, subject to standard post-closing adjustments.

This divestiture, along with the elimination of a small brand and the restructuring of one of our e-commerce businesses, all which occurred this year, are examples of our broader focus on simplifying our workplace furnishings business. These initiatives will allow us to better focus on our core strategies going forward, with each of these moves ultimately aimed at expanding margins in the segment. Before we turn the call over to Marshall, I wanted to provide some thoughts on recent business dynamics, given the broader economic landscape and risk of recession. Starting in workplace furnishings. Orders in the second quarter increased 4% compared to the second quarter of 2021, when orders grew 41% year-over-year. Second quarter order growth was lower than expected and softened later in the quarter, and order growth from small to medium-sized customers lagged growth from contract customers.

Our strategic accounts business, which targets our largest customers, was very strong in the quarter, growing over 60% year-on-year. This is a pattern we have experienced before as slowdowns emerge. The smaller customers react more quickly to changes in the economy. It appears this group of customers is pulling back in response to recessionary concerns and declining confidence metrics. Despite the negative trends, we continue to expect a strong full-year revenue growth in Workplace Furnishings. In our Residential Building Products segment, orders in the second quarter increased 14% compared to the second quarter of 2021, when orders grew 40% year-over-year. New construction order rates outperformed remodel retrofit activity. For 2022, we are still expecting strong revenue growth driven by pricing benefits, inorganic revenue, and our growth initiatives aimed at expanding the category.

Recent order rates have moderated consistent with well-documented negative trends in single-family housing, primarily driven by deteriorating affordability. However, elevated builder backlogs and a longer construction cycle in single-family housing will help soften the impact on the second half of 2022. We are preparing for a slowdown, but we remain optimistic about the long-term dynamics in this segment. We continue to believe the opportunities associated with demographic trends and an undersupplied single-family market will benefit our business over the intermediate to long term. Our unique vertically integrated business model has unmatched product and channel reach with a regional distribution infrastructure that offers unparalleled customer service. Now I'll turn the call over to Marshall to discuss our outlook.

Marshall Bridges
SVP and CFO, HNI Corporation

Okay. As Jeff indicated, we are seeing signs that macroeconomic and recession concerns will negatively impact our second half demand. As a result, we are lowering our 2022 outlook. Compared to the prior outlook, we now expect slower second half profit growth due to lower volume and the divestiture of Lamex. These factors will be partially offset by improved price cost and reduced expenses. Even with these reductions, we are still expecting strong revenue and profit growth for 2022 compared to the prior year. In workplace furnishings, we now expect a revenue growth rate in the low teens for 2022. That expectation is approximately 7 percentage points-9 percentage points lower than our previous view. Slower second half volume growth is driving a little more than half of the reduction. A little less than half is due to the sale of Lamex.

I would also like to note that our segment growth rate would be in the low 20s% when excluding our actions to streamline our portfolio. The sale of Lamex and the previously announced restructuring of an e-commerce business are expected to lower reported segment growth rates by about 10 percentage points in 2022. In Residential Building Products, pricing benefits, revenue from acquisitions, and continued benefits from multiple growth initiatives are expected to fuel growth rates in the high teens for 2022. Compared to the prior outlook, segment growth is now expected to be softer in the second half. A few comments on the third quarter and expected seasonality for 2022. We expect third quarter non-GAAP EPS to sequentially improve from second quarter 2022 levels and be above prior year results, primarily driven by favorable price cost.

Pricing benefits are expected to drive third quarter revenue growth rates in the high single digits to low teens. Regarding earnings seasonality, as a reminder, we historically generate approximately 70% of our total profit in the second half. In 2022, we are now expecting profit to be slightly less weighted to the back half than in recent years. This differs from our prior outlook due to our strong first half performance and moderating second half outlook. From a balance sheet perspective, we expect to maintain a strong financial position. Debt to EBITDA was 1.7 at the end of the second quarter, and we expect to lower debt levels in the second half. Our low leverage and continued free cash flow generation will provide flexibility and ample capacity for continued capital deployment. Finally, some additional detail on the Lamex divestiture.

First, the transaction will strengthen our balance sheet. We plan to use the proceeds to repay debt. Second, the sale will be margin accretive on a full year basis. More importantly, we believe there will be additional benefit from the resulting increase in focus. However, given Lamex's revenue and earnings seasonality, with the majority of revenue and almost all profit coming in the second half, the transaction will negatively impact second half 2022 earnings. We estimate the sale will reduce second half EPS by approximately $0.08 when including the benefit of reduced interest cost. Third, the transaction will positively impact our second and third quarter results on a GAAP basis. Those impacts have been and will be excluded from our non-GAAP results.

We expect the sale to generate a pre-tax gain of approximately $50 million in the third quarter. The expectation of that gain created tax benefits in the second quarter that increased our second quarter GAAP EPS by approximately $0.21. I'll now turn the call back over to Jeff.

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Thanks, Marshall. We remain focused on our two primary objectives, improving the long-term profitability of our Workplace Furnishings segment by driving margin expansion and delivering strong top-line growth in Residential Building Products by leveraging our differentiated business model. Although the environment is becoming more challenging, we remain focused on improving our long-term competitive positions. We expect strong earnings growth in 2022 while maintaining a strong balance sheet. We have an experienced team that is prepared to confront an increasingly difficult economic environment while maintaining our long-term strategic objectives. We'll now open the call to your questions.

Operator

As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad. Your first question today comes from the line of Reuben Garner with The Benchmark Company. Your line is now open.

Reuben Garner
Managing Director, The Benchmark Company

Thank you. Good morning, everybody.

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Good morning.

Marshall Bridges
SVP and CFO, HNI Corporation

Good morning.

Reuben Garner
Managing Director, The Benchmark Company

Could we start with the differences you're seeing in the contract in the small to medium-sized businesses? Specifically, I guess I'm wondering, you know, you said you've seen this in the past. Do you see any differences here? Is this kind of a canary in the coal mine and we're gonna see softness in contract, or is there, you know, two economies, two stories to tell in that regard?

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

You know, Reuben, that's a great question. I mean, when we refer to the past, you know, I mean, historically, we have seen when the SMB business goes into a slowdown before the contract, just based on the selling cycle. You know, this time, you know, I can't predict whether that's gonna happen or not. I think we're still assessing, you know, what that looks like. We're gonna prepare for a slowdown, but, you know, it may be a pause as customers just continue to work through, the larger customers continue to work through their plans like they've been doing. It may take a little longer to sort out than in the past. You know, the economic uncertainty is not really helping us.

Again, I don't. I'm not prepared to say it's a canary in the coal mine. I'm just saying that we clearly see it in our SMB business. It's a shorter cycle business. You know, the recession economy is that is operating like it typically has in the past. I'm not here to claim that the contracts will necessarily operate that way. You know, we're looking at multiple scenarios there, just kind of given the whole post-pandemic whirlwind right now.

Reuben Garner
Managing Director, The Benchmark Company

Right. You mentioned larger, your largest account's doing well. Are you seeing regional differences? Is this kind of strength, the recovery in some of the major markets that you know might be a little different than some of the small business customers in smaller markets?

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Yeah, no, I wouldn't say it's regionally based, Reuben. I think it's just some of the larger customers have been studying this, you know, their post-pandemic plans, hybrid, you know, model emerging, and they've got those plans underway. I think, you know, they've been moving out on some of that. Again, it's a longer cycle, and so those things have been, you know, holding up very well for us. You know, but it's not really regionally based at this point. It's kind of a kind of across the board.

Reuben Garner
Managing Director, The Benchmark Company

Okay. Switching gears to the residential business. Any color you can give us on the breakdown between the growth you're seeing in new construction versus repair and remodel? Is repair and remodel still growing? Can you break down price versus volume for us?

Marshall Bridges
SVP and CFO, HNI Corporation

Yeah, sure, Reuben. What we saw in the quarter is that remodel and retrofit sales grew faster than new construction. On the order basis, it was the opposite. There's some noise in there from some of our programs to encourage people to order early in the year for their fall demand. What we're seeing right now is that remodel and retrofit is stronger than new construction. No surprise given what's happening in the market. What we're expecting for the full year in Residential Building Products is growth in the high teens. That includes about 7 percentage points from acquisitions. Organic growth would be in the low teens, which includes about 10% price realization. Non-price organic growth for the year would be in the low single digits for the second half.

Reuben Garner
Managing Director, The Benchmark Company

Perfect. Sorry about that. I guess I misread or misinterpreted the release. I was thinking new construction. I guess I just read the orders comment. You know, going forward, do you feel that the strength in repair and remodel is gonna hold? I mean, there's been some clear slowdowns in DIY. I think the fireplace industry is more contractor-driven, and there's probably an element of backlog. How do you guys feel about that portion of the business going forward?

Marshall Bridges
SVP and CFO, HNI Corporation

I think we're expecting both sides of the business to slow down. We have a pretty large backlog, particularly in the remodel and retrofit, that's gonna soften that a bit. I mean, we're expecting new construction to be softer than remodel and retrofit in the back half. That said, Reuben, you know, if you exclude price, we're still expecting low single digit sort of unit growth for the segment in the back half. This is not a case where it's gonna fall off rapidly, it's more of a gradual easing.

Reuben Garner
Managing Director, The Benchmark Company

Great. Thanks, guys.

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Greg Burns with Sidoti. Your line is now open.

Greg Burns
Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Good morning. Could you just talk about the strategy behind the vertical integration, the acquisition of these installing distributors? You know, how does that benefit you? You know, what are your plans going forward in terms of growing that part of the business?

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Yeah, Greg, it's a great question. I mean, we've, you know, we set out a couple years ago to really get closer to our customers, first of all. You know, what's important to homeowners, what in whether it be R&R, what's important to home buyers in new construction. Part of that effort is digital, part of it is go to market, part of it is market research, but the other part is service. We had this network, and we decided we could leverage that network even more as we get more insights about the consumers and homeowners and home buyers, and we can control the service model more directly. It's a great combination.

It's a strong business anyway, on its face, just in the typical, you know, B2B, you know, installing distributor model. That's really what it's about. It's about leveraging now the insights we're getting to get closer to the customer and provide better service levels to the customer. So it's a profitable business, and now we're gonna add that piece to it. Service capability is really what it's about.

Greg Burns
Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Okay. Is there any potential conflicts with other distributors as you kind of move into markets?

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

You know, typically, no. We're careful about that, and we're collaborative about that. In some of these cases, we've become a succession plan to an owner that doesn't have another plan and wants to get out of the business and retire. It takes all forms, but we are. You know, we've got great independent dealers, the strongest network in the marketplace, and we love that model as well. It's really complementary, and we're very, you know, collaborative when we do this. You know, that's all the last six we've done the last few years have been that way.

Greg Burns
Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Okay. You mentioned a couple of times you're preparing for a slowdown. What does that mean? Are you just putting plans in place if in case you see things get worse? Is there anything being implemented currently, or is it?

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Yeah

Greg Burns
Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Just something that you're just planning for?

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Yeah. Look, Greg, I think it's just we're being prudent. You know, we always have kind of been that way. You know, we'll have plans on the shelf, and we'll also, you know, take some altitude out of the system a bit just to keep some dry powder. You know, when the pandemic hit, for instance, you know, we took a bunch of cost out. When inflation hit, you know, you can see we took pricing actions. I mean, we couldn't take them fast enough, but now they flipped around. We built a facility in Mexico. We have a history of being able to move fairly quickly and being pretty agile on that front, and so that's what I mean when I say preparing.

Greg Burns
Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Okay. Great. Just lastly, I mean, it sounds like you don't feel like the building products business is gonna fall off a cliff here. It sounds like you're expecting more of a moderate slowdown. Given what you're seeing in the market in terms of housing, is there potential for contraction? I know, you know. You know, you've had a couple strong quarters behind you, and now I would assume just what we're seeing macroeconomically seems like there's a slowdown, general slowdown in housing. I don't see how that doesn't necessarily impact that side of the business more strongly. Just wanted to get a feel for your view on that.

Marshall Bridges
SVP and CFO, HNI Corporation

No, we would agree with you, Greg. I think it's just a question of timing. The backlog and the stuff in motion as we sit right now, we believe gives us visibility to what we described as, you know, low single digit growth in the third and fourth quarter. I think the fourth quarter remains a little bit unknown to us, but like I said, we do have some big backlogs there. Eventually, that's gonna flow through to us.

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Yeah. We think that would probably hit more in 2023, if anything, Greg.

Greg Burns
Analyst, Sidoti & Company

Yeah. Okay. All right, thank you.

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Yep. Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Rex Henderson with Water Tower Research. Your line is now open. Mr. Henderson, your line is open.

Rex Henderson
Senior Research Analyst, Water Tower Research

Good morning.

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Good morning. Hello?

Rex Henderson
Senior Research Analyst, Water Tower Research

Hello. I'm not able to contact you.

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

We can hear you.

Rex Henderson
Senior Research Analyst, Water Tower Research

Okay, good.

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Hello?

Rex Henderson
Senior Research Analyst, Water Tower Research

Uh.

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

We can hear you.

Rex Henderson
Senior Research Analyst, Water Tower Research

Can you hear me?

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Yes.

Rex Henderson
Senior Research Analyst, Water Tower Research

Okay, good. Sorry, I'm filling in for Bud, and I haven't done this for a while. Bud had a conflict and couldn't be here today. I just first of all wanted to give you some props and some congratulations for doing a really good job in navigating through some really confusing times over the last couple of years. I wanted to focus on the RBP segment a little bit and the vertical, the 27 locations that you have now. Can you give me a little bit of color on how much of your RBP business now flows through those 27 locations and what kind of advantages you get in terms of margin or sales growth through those relative to the rest of that business?

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Yeah, Rex, I said in the prepared remarks, it's about 25% of the overall business segment revenue that segment flows through our owned distributors.

Rex Henderson
Senior Research Analyst, Water Tower Research

Okay.

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

As I said earlier, I think one of the big benefits that, you know, I'll elaborate a little further on the earlier question was, you know, we also can control the marketing content at a local level as we get closer to the customers. We kinda use it as a incubator. We own that group. We test and learn on marketing connectivity to the customer base, run it through that group, and then we take it to our independent.

It provides a really nice mechanism with which, like I said, to improve service, try things out that resonate with customers, put them in the system and get them implemented quickly, and then we prove them out, and then we can give them to the rest of the network on the independent side. That's a big benefit of that as well.

Rex Henderson
Senior Research Analyst, Water Tower Research

Okay. Do you have any vision for how big that vertical can be, and whether you're gonna continue to grow it through either greenfield or continued acquisitions? Do you have any end goal for what that segment can be?

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Well, Rex, not really an end goal. Like I said earlier, it's kind of a case-by-case, market-by-market situation. Sometimes it's a distributor calls us, sometimes we call them. And so basically what we do know is we know how to run that business, and it gives us a lot of built-in advantages with customers and in the service model. We're always kind of opportunistically, you know, looking for options to build the network out. I don't really have a point in time or an end game necessarily.

Rex Henderson
Senior Research Analyst, Water Tower Research

Okay. In preparation for, you know, the potential slowdown later this year, early next year, you said you're, you know, putting some plans on the shelf. A year or so ago, or late last year, you said you had a lot of open positions. Is that still the case? Are you still holding a lot of positions open, or is your hiring slowed down? What's happening on the labor force right now and your expectations for that?

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Yeah, I think we're pretty stable, Rex, on the labor force right now, direct labor side. We've been able to kind of catch up a bit, and we also, Mexico has come online, and it continues to ramp, and it'll be fully ramped here by the fourth quarter. That's taken pressure off as we had planned. You know, basically, we're kind of where we need to be on the labor front standpoint.

Rex Henderson
Senior Research Analyst, Water Tower Research

You really don't have a lot of open positions that you're looking to fill at this point anymore. You feel like you've got all the jobs you need to have filled are filled pretty much.

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Yeah. I mean, look, there's always some stuff here and there, some engineers and some things that we're always in the market for, but it's more back to normal times, not craziness.

Rex Henderson
Senior Research Analyst, Water Tower Research

Okay. Very good. Finally, one of the comments Bud made was that in the RBP segment, a lot of the builder side goes to spec homes, builders building on spec. Is that still the case, or are you getting orders from new home buyers, and what's happening there and the differences between spec and new home buyers?

Marshall Bridges
SVP and CFO, HNI Corporation

You know, Rex, we're very strong with the national builders, and we follow their mix. So I wouldn't necessarily say that we're over-indexed on spec homes. We're just gonna look a lot like the larger builders. Recall they-

Rex Henderson
Senior Research Analyst, Water Tower Research

Okay.

Marshall Bridges
SVP and CFO, HNI Corporation

We're coming off really low inventory levels. I'm not sure that there's a lot of speculative building out there, but that's probably a question to ask them rather than us.

Rex Henderson
Senior Research Analyst, Water Tower Research

Okay. All right. Well, thank you very much, and thanks for taking my call. Again, congratulations, and I hope to spend more time talking to you and getting to know your business better over time. Thank you very much.

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Thank you. Appreciate it.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Steven Ramsey with Thompson Research Group. Your line is now open.

Steven Ramsey
Deputy Director, Thompson Research Group

Hey, good morning. A couple of questions on price cost. Maybe can you walk through the trajectory of price cost through the first half, how that plays out, you think, in the second half, and why you think that's going to be better now than what you had previously thought?

Marshall Bridges
SVP and CFO, HNI Corporation

Yeah. Yeah. Price cost in the first quarter was about $2 million favorable. In the second quarter, it was about $8 million favorable. In the third quarter and the fourth quarter, we're expecting to be $25-$30 million favorable during each quarter. The reason for that is twofold. One is we are gonna get more price realization, you know, sequentially. It's been ramping up. Just as an example, Steven, we recognized about $62 million in incremental price versus the prior year in the first quarter. That went to $70 million in the second quarter, and it's gonna go higher in the back half. And inflation, we're gonna start anniversary-ing the period last year, where inflation had already ramped up, so the incremental inflation versus last year is not as great.

The combination of more price realization and less incremental inflation gets us a much more favorable price cost. When you look at the year, we're now expecting price cost to be favorable in the $60 million-$70 million range, and that puts us basically at a place where we recover what we'd lost last year. If you look over the last two years, we're roughly neutral on price cost.

Steven Ramsey
Deputy Director, Thompson Research Group

Okay. Very helpful, very helpful. Then thinking about the residential segment and how you think about maintaining profitability if or when things slow, kind of combined with the investments you're making to take advantage of the long-term opportunity. How do you think about keeping the pedal down on investments for long-term gains? I guess maybe what I'm getting at, would you allow margins in that segment to go to mid-teens for a time on lower volumes to keep the investments down for long-term growth?

Marshall Bridges
SVP and CFO, HNI Corporation

Yeah, Steven, that business is, you know, highly profitable and, you know, certainly as volumes decline, it's gonna put some pressure on it. We are in that business for long-term. We are very interested in growing that category. We're gonna keep investing. We may decelerate the investments a bit. As an example, this year, even though we do see, you know, a slowdown coming, we're continuing to invest in that business. In the back half, we're expecting to invest, you know, $7 million-$9 million for the corporation. Roughly half of that is going into Residential Building Products.

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Yeah. Steven, it's a great question. I think, look, we talk about that, but again, as you said, we wanna grow that category. We wanna grow the revenue there. We'll be smart about it, but we've been investing through the whole pandemic in that business the last two years at quite a nice clip, and we will continue to do so. You know, we need to maintain some profitability, but we can take some short term here and there in order to continue to kinda lean into that business.

Steven Ramsey
Deputy Director, Thompson Research Group

Right. Makes sense. Okay. Then last quick one for me on the e-commerce restructuring in Workplace. Can you share more on the actions you're taking? Maybe, is this something that benefits the second half earnings, or is this something that is more helpful to 2023?

Marshall Bridges
SVP and CFO, HNI Corporation

Yeah. Steven, you know, what we did there is we exited some low profit product categories in that e-commerce business. Yeah, I think there is some benefit, you know, to the P&L, but we're kind of in a kind of chaotic or volatile situation right now, so it's not a large benefit. It is putting a pretty big headwind on our sales growth, but again, it's not much of a profit impact.

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Yeah.

Marshall Bridges
SVP and CFO, HNI Corporation

I think it's got more benefit next year.

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

I agree. More benefit next year.

Steven Ramsey
Deputy Director, Thompson Research Group

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. Jeffrey Lorenger, I turn the call back over to you.

Jeffrey Lorenger
Chairman, President, and CEO, HNI Corporation

Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for everybody today for joining us, and your interest in HNI Corporation. Have a great day.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.

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