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Earnings Call: Q1 2017

Apr 26, 2017

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Q1 2017 Huntsman Corporation earnings conference call. My name is Mark. I'll be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. If at any time you require operator assistance, please press star zero and an operator will be happy to assist you. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host for today, Kurt Ogden, Vice President of Investor Relations and Finance. Please proceed, sir.

Kurt Ogden
VP of Investor Relations and Finance, Huntsman

Thank you, Mark. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our first quarter 2017 earnings call. Joining us on the call today are Jon Huntsman, our Founder and Executive Chairman, Peter Huntsman, President and CEO, Sean Douglas, Executive Vice President and CFO, as well as Simon Turner, the Division President for Pigments and Additives. In addition to that, we have Ivan Marcuse, our newly appointed Vice President of Investor Relations, who will be leading our Investor Relations effort going forward. This morning before the market opened, we released our earnings for the first quarter 2017 via press release and posted it on our website, huntsman.com. We also posted a set of slides on our website, which we will use on the call this morning while presenting our results. During this call, we may make statements about our projections or expectations for the future.

All such statements are forward-looking statements. While they reflect our current expectations, they involve risks and uncertainties and are not guarantees of future performance. You should review our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission for more information regarding the factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these projections or expectations. We do not plan on publicly updating or revising any forward-looking statements during the quarter. We will also refer to non-GAAP financial measures such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income or loss, and free cash flow. You can find reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures in our earnings release, which has been posted to our website at huntsman.com. In our earnings release this morning, we reported first quarter 2017 revenue of $2.469 billion, adjusted EBITDA of $329 million, and adjusted earnings of $0.50 per diluted share.

I will now turn the call over to Peter Huntsman, our President and CEO.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Thank you, Kurt. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us. Let's turn to slide number three. Adjusted EBITDA for our Polyurethanes division was $144 million. Our MDI urethanes business, which includes propylene oxide, recorded adjusted EBITDA of $148 million. We grew our differentiated MDI portfolio by 6% in the first quarter as we continue to focus on our strategic intent of driving downstream. With our own operating rates being high, we deselected component business and as a result, while our margins increased, our overall MDI growth was flat compared to the prior year. In the Americas region, our MDI business grew 3%, with strong growth in our composite wood products as the construction markets remain favorable. Growth in the Americas would have been stronger, but for restricted supply from certain of our third-party suppliers, which occurred during the quarter.

We remain encouraged by the positive economic signs we're seeing in the North America region. Our European business delivered an 8% improvement in differentiated growth while we deselected component business with favorable trends in the major markets of construction and automotive. Component sales were down as we managed inventory levels ahead of a planned second quarter maintenance at our Rotterdam facility in the Netherlands. In Asia, strong automotive growth drove a 14% improvement in our differentiated sales compared to the prior year period. However, total sales growth was limited due to capacity constraints. We see strong market demand in China, and this demand, combined with competitor outages, led to shortages of component materials, leading to a spike in prices in the first quarter. During the quarter, our MTBE business reported a loss of $4 million of adjusted EBITDA compared to positive $8 million in the prior year.

The average C factor, which is an industry proxy for MTBE contribution margins, decreased to $0.52 per gallon from an already low $0.67 per gallon in first quarter 2016. We expect MTBE margins to be positive as we move into the driving season. We are in the process of completing our previously announced planned maintenance work at our Rotterdam MDI facility. We expect the economic impact to be roughly $15 million, mostly occurring in the second quarter. Moving into a seasonally stronger quarter, we expect that continued strong positive volume trends and attractive margins will drive sequential EBITDA growth in our urethanes division. Let's turn to slide number four. Consistent with our indication that the fourth quarter represented a bottoming of our EBITDA in our Performance Products business segment, we saw solid sequential improvement in profitability.

Adjusting for the European surfactant business we sold in December, results improved $22 million when compared to the fourth quarter. This sequential improvement was primarily driven by higher amines profitability due to increased volumes and improved contribution margins. Sales volumes improved both sequentially and compared to the prior year through most of our businesses, most notably in our downstream amines, maleic anhydride, and surfactant businesses. Adjusting for the European surfactant business, which we sold in December, total volumes in the Performance Products segments rose 10% year-over-year. Looking to the next quarter, we believe that the combination of positive trends in overall volumes, improved amine unit margins, and better North American maleic profitability, partially offset by a moderation in upstream intermediate margins, will help keep EBITDA relatively stable quarter-over-quarter.

Heading into the second half of the year, I want to remind you that we have a planned maintenance turnaround on our ethylene oxide and ethylene glycol unit in our Port Neches, Texas facility, which occurs once every four years. As we've stated in the last couple of conference calls, this turnaround will take approximately two months and have a cash cost of roughly $50 million, and based on current economics, will impact EBITDA by $15 million. Let's turn to slide number five. Our Advanced Materials reported EBITDA of $54 million in the quarter. Volume in the quarter was down primarily due to a decrease in our lower value base liquid resins business, which is partially offset by growth in our higher value differentiated businesses. We continue to see positive trends in our electronics, adhesives, and infrastructure related businesses, specifically in Europe and Asia.

Our EBITDA margin was lower primarily due to increased costs associated with higher raw materials and expenses associated with lowering our inventory, which we indicated on our last earnings call. Looking towards the next quarter, we expect a combination in volume growth and improved pricing to offset higher raw material costs. Let's move to slide number six. Our Textile Effects division continues its positive growth trajectory both in volume and adjusted EBITDA. Year-over-year segment volume increased 10%, while adjusted EBITDA of 21% this quarter represents its sixth consecutive quarter year-over-year improvement. The business grew 14% in key geographic markets, with Asia leading the way at 12%. We believe Textile Effects is expanding at growth rates that are above the industry average. We've stated in the past that this division is capable of mid-teen EBITDA margins.

In the first quarter, we saw margins improve to 11%, and the return on net assets over the last 11 months basis is now 15%, a meaningful improvement year-over-year. Looking toward the second quarter, we anticipate a seasonal increase in volume, as the second quarter is typically our strongest period for this segment as textile customers begin preparing for the winter season, where cold weather fashions typically require use of more of our chemicals and dyes. Let's move to slide number seven. Our Pigments and Additives division earned $69 million of adjusted EBITDA in the first quarter, $84 million when adjusted for the fire at Pori, Finland. This represents a significant improvement compared to $15 million in the prior year period. Our titanium dioxide business earned $47 million of adjusted EBITDA during the quarter, while Performance Additives earned $22 million.

The increase compared to the prior year was attributed to improved TiO2 selling prices and lower fixed costs as a result of our restructuring efforts. Average selling prices for functional TiO2 continued to increase quarter-over-quarter on a local currency basis. We've successfully raised prices the last four quarters and have captured approximately half to two-thirds of the announced price increases. Demand in the second quarter is generally strongest. As a result, we expect a capture rate from the announced price increases effective in the second quarter. These price increases vary by region and range from $250 a ton in Europe to $155 per ton in North America. Overall, market conditions remain strong, and we expect additional price capture through 2017 and into 2018.

Our first quarter 2017 sales volumes were impacted by the fire at our Pori, Finland TiO2 manufacturing facility, which occurred on January 30th of this year. During the first quarter, we were able to sell more undamaged inventory than we had originally anticipated. We estimate the first quarter EBITDA was negatively impacted by approximately $15 million. Let me remind you that our uninsured business interruption ended in the first quarter. Beginning the second quarter, we expect to be reimbursed by our insurers for all lost margins going forward. Before sharing some concluding thoughts, I'd like to turn a few minutes over to Sean Douglas, our Chief Financial Officer.

Sean Douglas
EVP and CFO, Huntsman

Thank you, Peter. Our adjusted EBITDA increased to $329 million in the first quarter of 2017 compared to $267 million in the prior year period, pro forma for the sale of our European surfactants business. The two biggest drivers of this year-over-year improvement in EBITDA were volume and price, which were only partially offset by higher direct costs and impact from the outage at our Pori facility. Compared to the prior quarter, our adjusted EBITDA increased to $329 million from a pro forma $250 million in the fourth quarter. The $79 million sequential improvement in EBITDA was primarily driven by price, which more than offset higher direct costs and the impact from the Pori outage. Turning to slide nine. We end the quarter with $1.3 billion of liquidity, an increase of $84 million from year-end. Free cash flow generation remains a high priority for our company in 2017.

We have started the year off generating $82 million in free cash flow, including $54 million from insurance proceeds received in advance. This is a solid improvement of $95 million in free cash flow versus the prior year period, even when excluding the $54 million of insurance payments for Pori. This improvement was achieved through higher earnings, reduced spending, and a lower net working capital use of cash. We continue to focus on our inventory management, building on the significant improvements made last year. Our primary working capital spend was $24 million lower versus last year, and our capital expenditures of $74 million are $25 million lower as well. We remain focused on strengthening our balance sheet. At the end of the quarter, our net debt to trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA stood at 3.2 times. This compares to a year ago, when our leverage was at 3.8 times.

On April 25th, we made a $100 million early repayment of debt on our term loan B, due 2019, which further de-leverages our balance sheet. On April 21st, we amended our accounts receivable securitization facilities, which, among other things, extended our maturities from 2018 to 2020. As part of this amendment, in preparation for the separation of our Pigments and Additives business, we downsized the capacity of the overall program by €75 million. Our expected free cash flow in 2017 will continue to give us opportunity to further de-leverage. During the first quarter of 2017, we recorded income tax expense of $23 million and paid $8 million in cash taxes. Higher earnings in countries with valuation allowances resulted in a low adjusted effective tax rate of 19% in the first quarter.

We expect our long-term adjusted effective tax rate to be close to 30%, but our 2017 rate should be lower, likely in the 25%-30% range. We estimate net overall cash taxes to be close to zero in 2017, given a refund we expect to receive of approximately $90 million in the second quarter. We have provided you with other estimated key free cash flow components for 2017 on this slide. Please note that this table does not give the pro forma effect for the pending separation of our Pigments and Additives business and approximately $100 million of one-time costs associated with the separation. In 2017, we expect to spend approximately $380 million in capital expenditures, net of reimbursements.

While our businesses remain focused on working capital and building on the positive momentum we started last year, given our current view of raw materials and expected growth within the businesses, we do anticipate working capital to be a use of cash in 2017. This is consistent with what we said on our last earnings call. We estimate that pension contributions in excess of pension expense will be higher in 2017 as we increase funding. Restructuring expenditures should be around $75 million, of which approximately $35 million is related to the new business improvement plan in Pigments and Additives, which we have indicated will generate an additional annualized EBITDA of $90 million by the end of 2018. Lastly, we have various large scheduled turnaround maintenance projects in 2017 that occur every four to five years, and we expect significant capitalized maintenance costs as well in 2017.

As we sit here today, without taking into account the effect of separation of the Pigments and Additives business and assuming our present view of energy and raw materials, we believe our free cash flow generation in 2017 will be greater than $450 million. I will now turn the call back over to Peter for some concluding remarks.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Thanks, Sean. Let's turn to slide number 10, our concluding slide. We're making good progress in the separation of our Pigments and Additives business, which we've called Venator. We announce today that we intend to pursue an IPO of Venator as our preferred path to the separation of our Pigments and Additives business. When we originally closed on the acquisition of Rockwood in 2014, it was then our intent to integrate this business with our TiO2 business to form a world-class pigments company and to monetize this offering eventually through an IPO. As the TiO2 market softened, a spin became the most efficient option for separation. Today, the TiO2 market is rebounding, and we're optimistic looking into 2018. We now believe that an IPO and the follow-on sell down of Venator shares is the preferred market execution to maximize value for Huntsman shareholders.

It can be done as tax efficiently as a spin with minimal leakage and will allow us to significantly de-leverage our balance sheet. Additionally, an IPO will allow us to domicile Venator in the U.K., enabling it to benefit from a lower long-term effective tax rate. Within the next few weeks, we will be filing an S-1 with the SEC. Depending on market conditions and the registration process, we expect to complete the IPO within the summer months. We have progressed our Form 10 with the SEC, and we'll leave it on hold as a backup plan. Once separated, we estimate that Venator's incremental standalone corporate costs will be approximately $33 million-$38 million. Huntsman, the remaining company, should see an additional $5 million-$10 million reduction in annual corporate costs post the separation.

As we look at the non-TiO2 businesses, I am more optimistic as I look out over the rest of the year than I was when I gave our previous full-year guidance. While none of our products are at peak margin, most are strong or in improving conditions. Demand in North America and Europe feels steady, China has certainly recovered from where it was a year ago at this time. As I mentioned earlier, we are capacity constrained in MDI and will be anxious to get our European MDI plant up and operating following our planned maintenance work. We will be capacity constrained until our new Taizhou, China plant becomes fully operational. This plant will be mechanically complete during the second quarter of this year, and we will be commissioning this facility during the second half of this year.

We should be in a position to produce MDI early next year from this facility. During our last call, I stated that our Performance Products division was expected to see a slow recovery during 2017. Given the recent trends we're seeing develop, I expect 2017 adjusted EBITDA to exceed 2016, even though we sold off $28 million of adjusted EBITDA with the sale of our European surfactant business. We will have a $15 million EBITDA hit with the planned maintenance closure in the third quarter as part of our Port Neches, Texas facility turnaround. Given these events and the broader strengthening of our operations globally, we have prepaid a further $100 million of debt this week and are raising our projected cash flow targets for 2017 from $350 million-$450 million.

I still expect all of our divisions to see improved earnings growth this year, and we look forward to creating further shareholder value. Kurt?

Kurt Ogden
VP of Investor Relations and Finance, Huntsman

Thanks, Peter. Mark, will you please explain the procedure for questions and answers and then open the line?

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask an audio question, please press *1 on your phone. If your question has been answered or you would like to withdraw your question, press *2. Please press *1 to begin. Your first question comes from P.J. Juvekar of Citi. Please proceed.

P.J. Juvekar
Analyst, Citi

Yes. Hi, good morning. A question on TiO2. Can you describe the raw material situation with ilmenite? As many producers upgrade their ores, what's going on in synthetic rutile and slag markets, and what's your current ore mix?

Simon Turner
Division President for Pigments and Additives, Huntsman

Thanks for the question, P.J. It's Simon here. I'll take that question. I think as we spoke about on our previous call, we continue to see ilmenite prices increase, particularly in China. We see recent announcements by ore vendors for signs of improved demand growth both now and later in the year. We have a range of contracts, as you know, a whole range of contracts on our sulfate ilmenite, so we believe we're well-positioned. On high-grade ores, it's clear that major producers think slag prices will start strengthening in the second half of the year, and we're already seeing high-grade rutiles starting to increase on a quarterly basis. Pretty consistent with what we said last time out. Stronger demand, expected price headwinds coming from ores. We're going to feel some of that in the second half later in the year.

We feel we've got a good position on our contracts. In terms of the mix, there's no change to our mix that we've had for these past two or three years.

P.J. Juvekar
Analyst, Citi

Thank you. Peter, in Advanced Materials, it seems to be underperforming here and volumes declined. Margins have declined by 260 basis points. What do you need to do here to turn this business around? Thank you.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Well, I'm not sure, P.J., that I would agree that Advanced Materials is declining as a business or losing any of its profitability. The business will be a little bit lumpy depending on aircraft orders and depending on some seasonality with the business around construction and so forth. We did have some unusual costs in the first quarter that were one-time unrelated to the reduction of inventory that we took at the end of last year that came into the first quarter. I think that we talked about that being somewhere between $4 million-$5 million. As I look at the overall business, as we look at our downstream business, and the continued growth in that business, we certainly aren't losing out on any of the aerospace customers. I don't see the margin there falling. I'm not aware that we've lost any of our customers.

I think that as we look at the overall business this year, we should see growth this year over last year in the business. I think as we look at the first quarter, as we said on our last conference call, we will be down a little bit in first quarter compared to a year ago, I think that we make that up throughout the year.

P.J. Juvekar
Analyst, Citi

Okay, thank you.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Aleksey Yefremov from Nomura. Please proceed.

Aleksey Yefremov
Analyst, Nomura

Good morning. Thank you. Could you give us some idea about EBITDA contribution from the China MDI plant startup? Also, will there be any startup costs affecting Huntsman's EBITDA in the second half of 2017?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

I don't believe that there will be any startup costs during the second half of 2017. We might see a little bit early next year. That's just totally unrelated. It's just very difficult to try to project that now, given the fact that the plant's just in the process of being mechanically completed, and we've got six months of commissioning to go here. As we look at the next year as the impact of that facility, I expect that we'll probably be somewhere between $75 million-$95 million of EBITDA this next year in 2018, assuming that the plant starts up on a timetable that we have planned at this point.

Aleksey Yefremov
Analyst, Nomura

Thank you. In MDI, would you expect MDI unit margins in the U.S. and Europe to continue improving in the second quarter and also in the second half of 2017?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

We see the market as such that there will be gradual improvements in pricing and product. Product for us is particularly tight. We're presently buying product from competitors to resell to some of our customers. Until we have this new facility coming on, we're going to be constrained in our capacity. It feels, I would imagine right now that globally, MDI capacity has an effective operating rate of probably better than 95% utilization.

Aleksey Yefremov
Analyst, Nomura

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Your next question comes from Kevin McCarthy from Vertical Research Partners. Please proceed.

Kevin McCarthy
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Yes, good morning. You increased your free cash flow goal by about $100 million to more than $450 million. If I look at slide nine, the line items there seem to me to be largely unchanged with regard to CapEx net of reimbursements, restructuring, and pension. I guess cash interest is $5 million better. My question is, if I look at that increase in your free cash flow goal, is the vast majority of that meant to signal EBITDA improvement in 2017 versus 2016?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Yes, it is.

Kevin McCarthy
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Okay. Thank you for that.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Thank you.

Kevin McCarthy
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Then one other question, if I may. On your Polyurethanes segment, I think you indicated that you expect to grow earnings sequentially. If you take into account improvement in C factors sequentially, do you think you can grow earnings on a year-over-year basis as well in that segment?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Yeah. You're talking just MDI. You're talking about all of Polyurethanes?

Kevin McCarthy
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Yeah, I'm asking about your EBITDA outlook for the Polyurethanes segment as a whole in the second quarter.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Yeah, I would say that as we look at it from a year ago, I'd say it'll be up slightly from last year.

Kevin McCarthy
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

I just want to make sure that last question, that would assume that our C-factors would be lower this year than last year. We would expect that improvement to take place in the Urethanes MDI things other than MTBE.

Operator

Your next question comes from Hassan Ahmed from Alembic Global. Please proceed.

Hassan Ahmed
Analyst, Alembic Global Advisors

Morning, Peter.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Morning, Hassan.

Hassan Ahmed
Analyst, Alembic Global Advisors

Peter, recently one of the sort of relatively well-respected consultants within the TiO2 space sort of sounded a pretty negative tone with regards to sort of Chinese TiO2 inventory levels, rising ilmenite inventory levels, sort of rising operating rates in China. I'm sure you may have come across that report as well. Just wanted your thoughts with regards to what may be going on in China in particular.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

I won't comment on the report because in all honesty, I don't know which report you're talking about. I typically don't read TiO2 consultant reports because.

Hassan Ahmed
Analyst, Alembic Global Advisors

I don't blame you

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

I struggle to try to reconcile them to markets. As I look at China today, I don't see anything unusual. It doesn't feel like there's a great deal of product that's coming out of China, that there's a great deal that's beyond normal. I guess I don't see anything that's impacting the markets unusually at this time. Because of anything unusual going on in China this time. Simon, do you see anything on a day-to-day basis?

Simon Turner
Division President for Pigments and Additives, Huntsman

Hassan, I think we said on our last call what we see. We continue to see a nominal amount of increase of exports into the broader Asia region, consistent with what we've said in the past. We continue to see some operators constrained by governmental strictures. We continue to see some rising ilmenite prices. I would like to point out that regional Asian prices for TiO2 are amongst some of the highest in the world right now. We still continue to see price increases in that region.

Hassan Ahmed
Analyst, Alembic Global Advisors

Very helpful. Carrying on with the theme of the pricing side of things within TiO2. As I take a look at your sequential pricing moves, it seems that TiO2 prices, or the Pigment segment prices, were up 2%. Just wanted to sort of reconcile that with the $300 per ton sort of price hike that was announced for January. Was most of that realized? Was it partially realized? Any sort of thoughts around that would be appreciated.

Simon Turner
Division President for Pigments and Additives, Huntsman

Yeah. Let me speak to that a little bit. First off, I have to correct you to say we didn't have a $300 a ton price increase on the 1st of January. We have been, before quarter two, this quarter we're in now, announcing pricing increases of the range of $150 a ton, and we've been saying consistently that we have been capturing half to two-thirds of that amount. In the first quarter, if you adjust for FX, which there was quite a move against our major market of Europe, underlying we see about half of that $150 price capture on an aggregate global basis.

Hassan Ahmed
Analyst, Alembic Global Advisors

Excellent. Thank you so much, Simon.

Operator

Your next question comes from Frank Mitsch from Wells Fargo Securities. Please proceed.

Frank Mitsch
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Hey, good morning, gentlemen. Obviously nice momentum here on the TiO2 front. Just had a couple questions. On the Venator IPO, what would be your expectation in terms of the % share that Huntsman would retain following the initial public offering?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

I give you an idea on that, Frank, but I've been cautioned by lawyers to not get out over my ski tips here, and it's really tempting. A lot of that too, as you well could imagine, is going to depend on the strength of the market and how we're looking at the time, a number of different variables and so forth. Probably I'll just keep it at that. Okay.

Frank Mitsch
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

My follow-up in terms of how much would you expect to de-lever is pretty much a dead-on-arrival question, I guess, from that IPO.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

We expect to use the vast majority, if not all, of the proceeds to de-lever. We'd like to do that as effectively and as efficiently as possible.

Frank Mitsch
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Got you. You did mention very strong demand or strong demand in Polyurethanes in China in Q1. Can you add some metrics around that in terms of % changes and where does that head as we work through April and into May here?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Well, again, it's kind of a tough one for me to answer, Frank, just because I'm speaking just of Huntsman. I don't want to talk about our competitors. As I think of our own business, we were pretty flat just because we're so constrained on product, and we're selling everything we can produce, and what any excess materials that we have around the world we're shipping to Asia. As we look at the Asian market, we think that the overall market there is growing at about 8% during the first quarter, year-over-year. If we were sitting here a year ago at this time, I think we were probably talking 1%-2% growth as we were looking out a year ago at this time. Certainly a significant turnaround and a broad base in most of our downstream applications in MDI in China.

Frank Mitsch
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Extremely helpful. That expectation of that upper single-digit growth continues in Q2?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Yes.

Frank Mitsch
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from John Roberts from UBS. Please proceed.

John Roberts
Analyst, UBS

Thank you. I think it was mentioned that your chairman [audio distortion] , could you clarify the press reports about the comments made in San Antonio last month?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

The comments about I'm sorry, you broke out in the middle of your question.

John Roberts
Analyst, UBS

Sorry. Yeah, let me ask it again. I think you mentioned that Jon Huntsman Sr. is on the call with you today. Could you clarify the comments, or clarify at least the press reports about your comments in San Antonio last month?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Yeah. Let me just comment on those. As we look at various options as a company, as we move the company forward, I'm talking about on a post-spin, post-IPO basis. We think that with the equity value that we're seeing in our company and a stronger value that we're seeing on a per-share basis, that a possible merger of equals with another company in the industry would certainly be something that we would explore and entertain. I think that was part of a broader comment that was made around our macro strategy as a company, it certainly is not the only thing that we're looking at, but it is something that we would be more open to today than perhaps in the past.

John Roberts
Analyst, UBS

Okay. How should we think about the seasonality in the TiO2 EBITDA? Should we think about the current quarter as the seasonal peak for the year? Do you think the seasonality can be offset by continued cost improvement and price improvements, et cetera?

Simon Turner
Division President for Pigments and Additives, Huntsman

Well, John, it's Simon here. We still see the quarter we're in right now, quarter two, as the seasonal peak quarter of 2017. As to the point about offsets and so forth, I think we made the point that we continue to see price improvement through 2017 and into 2018.

John Roberts
Analyst, UBS

How much seasonal offset do you think we'll see in the back end of the year as we come off the current strength?

Simon Turner
Division President for Pigments and Additives, Huntsman

At this point, I don't think we have any reason to depart from what we've seen historically on the quarter three drop into quarter four. We get a typical drop of about 10%.

John Roberts
Analyst, UBS

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Laurence Alexander from Jefferies. Please proceed.

Dan Wizowaty
Analyst, Jefferies

Good morning. This is Dan Wizowaty for Laurence. Including the outages and considering the sequential trends, should Q2 EBITDA still be up year-over-year, roughly the same as amount as Q1 was?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Let me just take a look at that. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm just looking at some of our numbers of last year and this year and what we are looking at. I'm not sure that I want to get that sort of clarity, that sort of granularity in projecting Q2 at this point. I think I'd probably best just avoid that.

Dan Wizowaty
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. Then is the $90 million tax refund going to be excluded from Q2 as an extraordinary item, and is it factored into the bridge to $450 million in free cash flow?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Definitely the $90 million of expected proceeds from that tax refund is included in that cash flow on slide number, I think it was slide number nine.

Dan Wizowaty
Analyst, Jefferies

Yep.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

As they're received, obviously they'll be recorded into the tax account in terms of net taxes on a balance sheet and income statement.

Dan Wizowaty
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. Thank you very much.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Yeah. This is something we had also commented last quarter on, this isn't an increment. This is something we've already talked about.

Dan Wizowaty
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. Thank you for the clarification.

Operator

Your next question comes from Robert Koort of Goldman Sachs. Please proceed.

Robert Koort
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks. I had two, if you don't mind. Peter, I was wondering if you could talk about your exposure to the Mexican MTBE market. I see there's some fuels advocates pushing for more ethanol there, which might squeeze out MTBE. Any thoughts on that or what your exposure is? Secondly, for Simon, just curious about the approach to pricing on this TiO2 cycle if, seeing it as a commodity, you try to make hay while the sun's shining and get as much price as you can, or based on the sort of vicious upcycle and downcycle from a few years back. Is there a little more diplomacy, do you think, in the industry towards customer relations and the rate of price ascent? Thanks.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Rob, as far as MTBE in Mexico, I think that as we look out over the course of the next year, we don't see any change in demand. There has been some movement afoot, not necessarily around MTBE supply or demand, but more around ethanol and what impact that might have. Yeah, I think it's just a question of educating the public on how massively superior MTBE is to an ethanol product. I think that over the course of next year, I don't see that as being a material issue for us.

Simon Turner
Division President for Pigments and Additives, Huntsman

Bob, it's Simon here. Just to answer the second part of your question. What we've seen, continue to see, is a consistent pattern of pricing displayed by ourselves. Clearly, we're not going to talk on behalf of other producers, but as you inferred last time out back in 2011, there was a pretty high slopes of pricing went through in a very short space of time and stimulated some demand destruction, and the relationships with our customers were testing, to say the least. I think that some of these larger customers have been quite public recently to point out that as we sit here today, commodity TiO2 prices are still lower than they were two years ago this time, and they're way short of where we got to in 2011.

I think that there's a kind of manageability aspect of this for the consumer, and while they never welcome price increases, they can manage this, and that's what we intend to do, is continue with this pattern of pricing to get the most volume of our products in this higher operating rate environment.

Robert Koort
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

I know in the past you talked about some elevation in pricing through 2017, then maybe either flatlining or not having the visibility to take a guess beyond that. Is there a reason you wouldn't expect pricing to continue to rise for the foreseeable future?

Simon Turner
Division President for Pigments and Additives, Huntsman

We believe that prices will continue to rise for the foreseeable future.

Robert Koort
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Terrific. Thank you very much.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Yeah. I think, Bob, just for clarification, in 2018, I think that in past, typically, we would try to avoid making forecasts a year out, over a year out into the future as far as pricing and so forth. I want to make sure that we're not in any way saying that we think that TiO2 pricing somehow peaks or plateaus in 2017. As much as I don't want to get out over our ski tips, if you will, as far as trying to talk about pricing over a year out in the future.

Robert Koort
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yep. Understandable. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Jeff Zekauskas from J.P. Morgan. Please proceed.

Jeff Zekauskas
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Thanks very much. I think you took $36 million in restructuring charges in the quarter. Were they located in one principal segment, or if you had to allocate them across your segments, how might you do that?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Yeah. Those are largely related to the Pigments and Additives business, with a little bit also coming in from our Textile Effects business.

Jeff Zekauskas
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

What are you doing in Pigments and Additives? Why are you taking such a large charge?

Simon Turner
Division President for Pigments and Additives, Huntsman

Yeah. In Pigments and Additives, as you recall, Laurence, we had the $90 million improvement plan. We spoke about the phasing of that, and most of that will be in our numbers by exit 2018. There's obviously a disconnect between when you get the benefits and when you spend the money. We've had two fairly high-profile plant closures announced these past six months in South Africa and Calais, Whitehaven, France. That's where the majority of those charges will be taken.

Jeff Zekauskas
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

I see. If I understand your Pigments and Additives slide correctly, your sequential change in price in Pigments and Additives was basically flat. Is that right? It was up 1% in local and down 1% from FX. If that's a correct reading, what do you make of there being so little change from the fourth quarter to the first quarter?

Simon Turner
Division President for Pigments and Additives, Huntsman

Sorry, could you repeat the last part of the question there?

Jeff Zekauskas
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Sorry. In the Pigments and Additives slide.

Simon Turner
Division President for Pigments and Additives, Huntsman

Yep

Jeff Zekauskas
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

You have that table. It says

Simon Turner
Division President for Pigments and Additives, Huntsman

Yep

Jeff Zekauskas
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

local price quarter-on-quarter up 1%, which I take that's a sequential quarter, right?

Then the FX price is down 1%. What that would mean is that the first quarter prices and the fourth quarter prices were basically flat. If that's true, why might that be the case?

Simon Turner
Division President for Pigments and Additives, Huntsman

I think that if we go back to the fourth quarter pricing, we'd spoke about half to two thirds global average price, and we covered that on our call then, and that's what we achieved. I'm not sure about the flatness in fourth quarter, although I would remind people that there was not an increase in North America in that particular quarter, which obviously reduced our overall price capture globally. I think we dealt with that on our fourth quarter in the United States. In our first quarter, as I think I mentioned to an earlier question, we made significant progress on our price capture and our local prices, particularly in our major market of Europe. Obviously on translational effects with the currency, that washes down to a very nominal percentage increase in dollars at the aggregate level.

We think about the underlying dollar increase as around half of our announced price capture on an average basis.

Kurt Ogden
VP of Investor Relations and Finance, Huntsman

Jeff, this is Kurt. I just add to that. Often, when we think about the Pigments and Additives business, we only think about functional or commodity TiO2. As you know, we also have this great, stable, complementary Performance Additives business as part of this division as well. That's having an effect on the pricing that you're seeing there. I'd also point you to that last row on the table where we've done a pro forma adjustment for the impact of Pori as well. You see a little bit more of the price movement when you take a look at that 2% up on a local currency basis.

Jeff Zekauskas
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

I guess just two more things briefly. I think Peter in the early part of the call talked about the tightness in MDI just about everywhere. What's happening now is benzene prices, at least in North America, are falling. All things being equal, do you think you can capture more margin going forward because of the raw material decreases and the industry tightness?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

I would say that it's more about industry tightness than it is raw materials. You can capture month-to-month barge-to-barge benefits on raw materials, but margins, for the most part, are a function of supply and demand. I think that as we look at those issues, that's going to have a much greater impact on long-term margin. As we look at margins out quarter-to-quarter, the tightness in MDI, with a large competitor here in Europe declaring a force majeure recently and some of the other movements that we're seeing in the industry. I think it's going to be fairly tight here for the next couple of quarters.

Jeff Zekauskas
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Lastly, in the old days, you were kind enough to give us the unadjusted EBITDA for each of the segments and then the adjusted EBITDA, and you don't do that any longer. The adjustments in the quarter are $77 million, which is a large percentage relative to either your unadjusted EBITDA or to your adjusted EBITDA. I guess I would just register a vote for the way that you used to present things in the old days.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

As you said, we were kinder in an earlier day and age. That might have something to do with it. I will note it, and we'll certainly take a look at that.

Jeff Zekauskas
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Thank you so much.

Operator

Your next question comes from James Sheehan of SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please proceed.

Matthew Stevenson
Analyst, SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Hi, this is Matthew Stevenson on for Jim. Can you elaborate on the reasons behind the shift in pigment separation strategy, and was it connected to tax issues involving potential merger of equals?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

I think that taxes are certainly a factor, but it is not the factor. I think that as we look at our intent all along was to be able to monetize as much of our equity and the value that we have in the pigments group be able to monetize that at a point in the TiO2 cycle where we would consider to be kind of a normalized EBITDA, normalized sort of run rate. I think that as we look at the overall profitability of TiO2, it has returned sooner than we would've expected six months ago or three months ago even, to what we consider to be a more of a normalized sort of run rate.

We're not there yet, but I think that given the price increases and so forth that we see out on the horizon and the strength in the market, we think that starting this summer and moving in throughout 2017 and into 2018 and throughout 2018, I think that these are going to be fairly decent times for us to be able to monetize our interest in the business. We have both of those options before us, and right now, as we take a snapshot, the IPO is, I think, the materially better option for us and for our shareholders.

Matthew Stevenson
Analyst, SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Understood. Thank you. Then in your 4Q presentation, you forecast $75 million of annual EBITDA improvements in your Pigments and Additives business during the period of 2017 through 2019. Has your forecast changed since then? Do those figures include the $33 million-$38 million of standalone corporate costs that you showed on slide 10 of this quarter's deck?

Simon Turner
Division President for Pigments and Additives, Huntsman

Yeah, Matthew, I think you're correct. We initially stated in January, $75 million business improvement plan over 2016 baseline, and we parsed that out into its constituent parts. We subsequently adjusted that upwards to $90 million, because we announced the intention to close our Calais, France white section. Those numbers do not consider the announced $33 million-$38 million cost that was included in our materials today.

Matthew Stevenson
Analyst, SunTrust Robinson Humphrey

Thank you.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Mike Sison from KeyBanc. Please proceed.

Michael Sison
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Hey, guys. Nice quarter. Can you hear me?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

We can. Hey, Mike.

Michael Sison
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Yeah. Sorry about that. One quick question. Just what's the SG&A hit for Ivan? No, I'm joking. In terms of TiO2 for longer term, I think you've talked about maybe the EBITDA potential or normalized EBITDA, somewhere in that $400 million or so. Given what you see now, what needs to happen over the next year or couple of years to sort of continue on that ramp? You had really nice progress there in the first quarter.

Simon Turner
Division President for Pigments and Additives, Huntsman

Yeah. We've been quite public for some time, about $400 million normalized, which implies that we would expect to be going over and above that number as we advance our momentum in our TiO2 segment. What has to happen? We expect to continue improving our prices and not giving up margin. We've been quite open about that. Also, we have to continue to deliver on opportunities we identify, like the $90 million improvement program, which we will do in the timeframe that we've stated. Those are the key areas along with improving the quality of our specialized business and our stable and complementary Additives business.

Michael Sison
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Great. Thank you.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Thank you. I would just note that Ivan's compensation barely was under the materiality threshold, we don't have to disclose that.

Michael Sison
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

I appreciate that.

Operator

Your last question comes from Roger Spitz from Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please proceed, sir.

Roger Spitz
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Thank you. Good morning. First, can you talk about which amines product lines are seeing the competition you called out? Is that still the Chinese polyetheramines new capacity?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

I would say that that is certainly the majority of it. 75% of it, yes.

Roger Spitz
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. What would be the rest of it? Or just other amines, like ethanolamines or something?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

No. In the last couple of years, amines have generally been strong. Outside of the PEA market, there have been other amine expansions and so forth that have taken place, as would be expected when margins get above what they're normally operating at. I would say most of it's PEA, and it's just dribs and drabs of others. When I look at our amine section, I'm looking at literally scores and scores of different products and blends and different products and price points and so forth. Kind of tough to break it out in an amine product-by-product basis.

Roger Spitz
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

That's fine. The wind energy competition that you pointed out, is that more from perhaps Chinese epoxy competitors, or is it perhaps the other large Western epoxy competitors or a combination of both?

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

I'd say it's a combination of both on that. The wind is certainly a global market. You're seeing blades moved all over, and you're seeing raw materials move all over the world. That's an end of the epoxy market. I think we've said in the past that we look at it as an end that is commoditized. It still is an end that we're committed to, and we're going to continue to supply segments of the wind market. It certainly has more competitors in it than it did a couple of years ago.

Roger Spitz
Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Thank you very much.

Peter Huntsman
President and CEO, Huntsman

Thank you.

Operator

I would now like to hand the call back to Kurt Ogden for closing remarks.

Kurt Ogden
VP of Investor Relations and Finance, Huntsman

Thanks, Mark. We want to thank everybody for joining us on the call today. Ivan, Nooshin, and myself are available for additional follow-up questions. If anyone has any, feel free to reach out to any member of the IR team. Thanks again.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Have a wonderful day.