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Earnings Call: Q4 2017

Aug 22, 2017

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Latif, and I will be your conference facilitator. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Intuit's fourth quarter and fiscal year 2017 conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer period. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press the pound key. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jerry Natoli, Intuit's Vice President of Finance and Treasurer. Mr. Natoli?

Jerry Natoli
VP of Finance and Treasurer, Intuit

Thanks, Latif. Good afternoon, and welcome to Intuit's fourth quarter fiscal 2017 conference call. I'm here with Brad Smith, our Chairman and CEO, and Neil Williams, our CFO. Before we start, I'd like to remind everyone that our remarks will include forward-looking statements. There are a number of factors that could cause Intuit's results to differ materially from our expectations. You can learn more about these risks in the press release we issued earlier this afternoon, our Form 10-K for fiscal 2016, and our other SEC filings. All of those documents are available on the investor relations page of Intuit's website at intuit.com. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statement. Some of the numbers in these remarks are presented on a non-GAAP basis. We've reconciled the comparable GAAP and non-GAAP numbers in today's press release.

Unless otherwise noted, all growth rates refer to the current period versus the comparable prior year period, and the business metrics and associated growth rates refer to worldwide business metrics. A copy of our prepared remarks and supplemental financial information will be available on our website after this call ends. With that, I'll turn the call over to Brad.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

All right. Thanks, Jerry, and thanks to all of you for joining us. As you read in our press release today, we've announced a CFO succession plan. Neil has served as CFO since January 2008 and plans to step down at the end of January 2018. I'm pleased to share that Michelle Clatterbuck will assume the role of Chief Financial Officer on February 1st, 2018. It has been a well-crafted succession plan that we'll cover in a few minutes, but let's start with the business. We had an excellent fourth quarter and a strong finish to fiscal year 2017. Fourth quarter revenue grew 12% and full-year revenue grew 10%. We're encouraged by the accelerating momentum in small business, including a continued strength in both our QuickBooks Online subscribers and online ecosystem revenue growth.

We're also pleased with our results in both consumer and professional tax, which delivered at the high end of our expectations in a complicated tax season. Across the company, we continue to innovate and improve our product experiences to deliver meaningful benefits for our customers. For example, we improved the end-to-end experience for QBO customers, which resulted in a 22-point increase in our Net Promoter Score. We solved important pain points for self-employed business operators, such as the ability to separate personal and business expenses, send invoices and receive payments, and track their mileage. This led to a quadrupling of our QuickBooks Self-Employed customer base. We expanded our SmartLook video chat capability to help our TurboTax Online customers answer that one nagging question that could cause them to abandon the product. Customers who use SmartLook rated their care experience nearly 20 points higher than those who did not.

Our one Intuit ecosystem has evolved into an active ecosystem, creating greater value for our customers while building new sources of competitive advantage for Intuit. Let me share just a couple of examples. First of all, our new QBO matchmaking platform is connecting small businesses with the right accountant. We know that 89% of small businesses believe they're more successful when they work with an accountant. This year, 53% of our small business customers are now doing so. That is a ten-point increase versus last year. This has the potential to be a key driver of small business success and a catalyst for Intuit's growth over the long term. Second, we're helping accountants grow their practices, delivering three times more client leads than we did just one year ago.

Third, our TurboTax and QuickBooks Self-Employed bundle is putting more money in our self-employed customers' pockets, eliminating work and making it drop-dead simple to track and deduct business expense. As a result, we're generating more than $4,300 in tax savings for self-employed customers, which is 8% of their income on average. We'll share more about our plans to further strengthen and accelerate our one Intuit ecosystem at our upcoming Investor Day in October. Now let's talk about our fourth quarter and fiscal year 2017 results, and we'll start with small business. We delivered another strong year, with subscriber growth continuing at a rapid pace and online ecosystem revenue accelerating. We added over 870,000 QuickBooks Online customers in fiscal 2017. That's twice as many as we added in fiscal 2016. We finished the year with over 2.3 million customers, driving subscriber growth to 58%, up from 41% last year.

We continue to deliver strong QBO growth in the U.S. and international markets. Our U.S. subscriber base grew 53% year-over-year to nearly 1.9 million subs, up from 40% growth last year. Outside the U.S., our subscriber base grew 75% year-over-year to over 500,000 subs, up from 45% growth last year. We've also seen our Net Promoter Scores improve in every country year-over-year, giving us confidence that our international growth formula is working. As a reminder, our playbook when entering a new market is to focus on product-market fit first. We lean heavily into marketing to drive subscriber growth. We continue to feel good about our position in Canada, the U.K., and Australia, surpassing the 100,000 subscriber mark in all three countries this year. Our teams in France, Brazil, and India are working hard to reach product-market fit in their respective countries.

We'll share more on our progress in the coming quarters. Within QuickBooks Online Self-Employed subscribers grew to approximately 390,000. That's up from 360,000 last quarter and 85,000 just one year ago. Our bundled Self-Employed offering in TurboTax contributed approximately 170,000 subscribers to this total. Summing it up, our momentum in QBO subscriber growth continues to drive top-line revenue, with online ecosystem revenue growth accelerating to 33%. That's up from 30% last quarter. We expect subscriber growth to continue north of 40%, and we now expect online ecosystem revenue to grow more than 30% over the next few years. That is up from our previous guidance of 25%-30%. Turning to tax. Consumer tax revenue finished the year up 9% in a complex season that was defined by below normal IRS returns growth and a highly competitive environment in the free category.

We performed well with our paid customers driving our revenue growth this season. Our team is already hard at work reimagining our tax business and building the next wave of innovation to better serve our customers in both the free and the paid segments. There is no question there is still a ton of opportunity in this business, especially as we leverage technology to provide even more value to our customers. We are very excited as we look ahead to next season, and we'll share more with you when we see you at Investor Day. On the ProConnect side, revenue also finished the year at the top end of our guidance range. We continue to focus on multi-service accounting firms that do both books and taxes. This is in service to driving our accountants' customer success and growing our small business ecosystem.

Taking up the nose of the plane, let me share some context for where we're headed as a company. Over the past nine months, our senior leadership team has invested significant time completing an extensive outside-in, future-back exploration to set the foundation for our next chapter of growth. The end result is the most comprehensive collection of market and customer insights we have ever amassed, and this has led to a complete refresh of our company's game plan to win, from the company's mission all the way down to the metrics. Our One Intuit Ecosystem strategy, as we're calling it, will power the next chapter of growth. It capitalizes on our tens of millions of active customers and the vast amounts of data that we steward on their behalf.

When you match that data with our leading technology and our machine learning capabilities, we are able to deliver deeply personalized experiences through a trusted open platform and create indispensable connections not only between people, but between products. We can do it in a way that is not easily matched by our rivals. As new participants enter this Intuit ecosystem, the value increases for everyone, unleashing the power of many for the prosperity of one. In support of our refresh strategy, we have made some deliberate decisions to target investments in several key areas during fiscal 2018. You'll hear more about these investments from Neil in a minute. We expect these initiatives to further accelerate our long-term revenue growth. With that set up, let me hand it over to Neil to walk you through the financial details.

Neil Williams
CFO, Intuit

Thanks, Brad, good afternoon, everyone. In the fourth quarter of fiscal 2017, we delivered revenue of $842 million, up 12% year-over-year. A GAAP operating loss of $10 million versus a $56 million loss a year ago. Non-GAAP operating income of $78 million versus $36 million last year. GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.09 versus a loss of $0.16 last year. Non-GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.20, up from $0.08 last year. You'll note that our GAAP earnings per share includes the tax impact of early adoption of the accounting standard update for share-based compensation. This added $0.13 to our GAAP earnings for the quarter and $0.28 for the full year. For full fiscal 2017, we delivered revenue of $5.2 billion, up 10% year-over-year, GAAP operating income of $1.4 billion, up 12% versus a year ago.

Non-GAAP operating income of $1.7 billion, also up 12% versus last year. GAAP diluted earnings per share of $3.72 versus $3.69 last year. As a reminder, our GAAP results in fiscal 2016 included a net gain of $0.65 per share from the sale of discontinued operations. Our non-GAAP diluted earnings per share of $4.41, up from $3.78 last year, for an increase of 17%. Turning to the business segments, total small business revenue grew 14% for the quarter, and 13% for the year. QuickBooks Online subscriber growth remained strong, and we exceeded our guidance for the quarter and the full year, reaching 2,383,000 subscribers, up 58% year-over-year. TurboTax was a significant channel for QuickBooks Self-Employed for the year, accounting for 11 points of QBO subscriber growth. A great example of the power of the one Intuit ecosystem that Brad just mentioned.

Small Business Online Ecosystem revenue accelerated to 33% in the fourth quarter and grew 30% for the year. This is above the high end of the 25%-30% growth range we've talked about, and is driven by continued growth of online accounting revenue. Our online payroll and payments businesses remain healthy, growing revenue 21% and 12% for the year respectively. As Brad mentioned, our outlook over the next few years calls for over 40% growth in QBO subs. We expect online ecosystem revenue to grow better than 30%, and that subscriber growth is on top of the 58% increase we posted in fiscal 2017, demonstrating the confidence we have in our strategy. Our Small Business Desktop ecosystem total revenue grew 8% for the year, despite desktop units being down 8%.

For fiscal 2018, we expect QuickBooks Desktop units to decline low double digits and Desktop Ecosystem revenue to be up mid-single digits. That revenue growth is driven by continued strength in our QuickBooks Enterprise business. Consumer tax revenue was up 9% for the year, reflecting two points of unit growth, ProConnect revenue grew 2% for the year. Turning to our financial principles, we continue to take a disciplined approach to capital management. With approximately $800 million in cash and investments on our balance sheet, our first priority is investing for customer growth. Our goal is to drive double-digit revenue growth and to grow operating income faster than revenue. We return cash that we can invest profitably in the business to shareholders via both share repurchases and dividends. We repurchased over $360 million of shares in the fourth quarter and over $830 million for the year.

Approximately $1.5 billion remains on our authorization. We returned approximately 85% of our free cash flow to shareholders last year and more than 100% over the last five years. That level's not sustainable, you'll notice the share count guidance for FY 2018 reflects a slightly more moderate buyback program than in recent years. We expect to be in the market each quarter, and we'll continue to keep an eye on investment alternatives and overall market conditions as we manage our program. In fiscal 2018, we expect to pay a cash dividend of $1.56 per share, with the first dividend of $0.39 per share payable on October 18th, 2017. This represents a 15% increase versus last year.

As Brad mentioned, we're reallocating over 10% of our annual spend to strengthen our investment in several key priorities over the next three years, including increasing our capability in artificial intelligence and machine learning, accelerating our transition to Amazon Web Services, enhancing our brand and marketing effectiveness globally, and enabling our engineering organization to increase effectiveness and efficiency. We expect these initiatives to set us up to deliver strong growth in the coming years. Even with these investments, we expect our operating margin to expand modestly in fiscal 2018. Our full-year fiscal 2018 guidance includes QBO subscribers of 3.275 million to 3.375 million, total company revenue growth of 9% to 11%, GAAP earnings per share of $4 to $4.10 per share, and non-GAAP earnings per share of $4.90 to $5.

Our Q1 fiscal 2018 guidance includes revenue growth of 8% to 11%, a GAAP loss per share of $0.17 to $0.19, and non-GAAP earnings per share of $0.03 to $0.05. You can find our Q1 and fiscal 2018 guidance details in our press release and on our fact sheet. We're making a few changes to our segment reporting in fiscal 2018. Our principle is to align our segments with our core customers and business partners. We are creating a consumer segment by combining our consumer ecosystem offering, which includes our Mint business, with the consumer tax segment. We are renaming the small business segment as Small Business and Self-Employed, and renaming ProConnect as the Strategic Partner Segment. This segment will manage our professional tax offerings while also focusing on partners instrumental to the success of our ecosystem. All these changes are reflected on our fact sheet.

On a personal note, over the last several years, it's been a priority for me and my team to think about our long-term strategy, and that includes finding and nurturing awesome talent. As we announced today, I'll be stepping down in January. I'm really confident in Michelle. She thinks and acts like a chief operating officer and demonstrates a unique blend of partnering and influencing skills that are backed by deep domain expertise. She brings credibility as a strategic thinker who connects dots that others often don't see. I look forward to working with her over the next five months to ensure a smooth transition. With that, I'll turn it back to Brad to close.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Thank you, Neil. I know our CFO transition isn't official until February, but I wanted to take this moment to express my sincere admiration and appreciation for all that you've contributed over the past decade. Our financial foundation has never been stronger. We successfully navigated a business model transition. We're posting double-digit revenue growth, expanding margins, and we have a strong investment-grade rating. Your commitment to recruiting and developing top talent has created a deep bench of strong financial leaders, which makes a seamless transition of our leadership team possible. Michelle, she has risen to every occasion at every step along the journey, consistently delivering outstanding performance across multiple strategic leadership roles and multiple business units over the past 14 years. We're excited to have her succeed you as our next CFO in February. With that said, let me bring our introductory comments to a close.

It's another strong year in the books for Intuit, reflecting increasing momentum in our QuickBooks Online ecosystem and strength in our tax businesses. I am proud of the innovations that our team continue to deliver every day. We're looking forward to sharing more with you in October. With that, we'll open it up to you to hear what's on your mind. Latif?

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press star, then the number 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press the pound key. Our first question comes from the line of Michael Nemeroff of Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Michael Nemeroff
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on a strong year, and nice job on the quarter. Neil, been a pleasure working with you. Congrats on the retirement. Brad, if I may, just on the small business side, it looks like the TurboTax SE promotion was highly successful in this tax season and actually last quarter as well. I was wondering if you could maybe tell us about some of the other cross-promotional activity that you plan going forward. Then also, if you could maybe tell us if there's any noticeable difference in the retention of the TurboTax SE versus the standalone SE subscribers so far.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Thank you, Michael. Let me start by saying, this was an incredibly inspiring year to see the power of our ecosystem. It's not just connecting products like QuickBooks Self-Employed and TurboTax Self-Employed, but it's connecting people. I gave the example of the power of connecting a small business with an accountant, and now accountants are getting three times as many leads as they did last year. We have small businesses increasing their odds of success, and they're working with accountants more often. That's the power of bringing people together. On the self-employed side, we had a very good V1 year. When I say a version one year, 170,000 active subscribers. We know in the TurboTax base, there are roughly three million of our filers who have Schedule C filing, and they are self-employed customers.

We have a lot of upside opportunity there to continue to accelerate the growth. We also had success last year in connecting our credit score in Mint with TurboTax to begin to move beyond just the tax filing needs of a consumer and begin to think about their entire financial life. That's why we are moving these two businesses together and having one consumer-backed business unit now, as Neil just mentioned. That was a great example. We have the matchmaking platform. What we basically did was take QuickBooks Online for accountants. We added some practice management capabilities, and we've enabled the ability now for a small business looking for an accountant to be connected with one that actually meets their needs. Those are just a few examples.

We have many more. We plan to showcase those at our October Investor Day. We're excited to see this ecosystem really starting to create value for multiple parties.

Michael Nemeroff
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thanks for taking my questions. Appreciate it.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Welcome.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Kash Rangan of Bank of America. Your question, please.

Kash Rangan
Analyst, Bank of America

Sure. Neil, are you sure you want to miss the tax rush of April 17th and not being around for the 11th year to watch the units?

Neil Williams
CFO, Intuit

You know, Kash, it's going to be a big miss, but I'll do my best to chauffeur through it.

Kash Rangan
Analyst, Bank of America

That was a facetious question. Well, congratulations. It's been great working with you over the past 10 years. Brad, sorry, you get the serious question. It's really impressive to see the QBO SE business take a dimension of its own. What's your best guess/prediction as to how this installed base of customers, QBO SE behaves differently than the typical QBO customer? In other words, you've had a legacy set of systems that typical QBO customers, desktop customers, have been tethered to. Do you think this new customer base has a completely different demographic, different business profile? Therefore, are there other ways in which Intuit could monetize this exciting new dimension of the business by adding other value-added services and products that you previously had not envisioned in your typical QBO customer base as far as their behavior is concerned? Thank you so much. My only question.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Thank you, Kash. I think I'd rather answer Neil's question. I'll take that one. By the way, it gives me a chance to double back to Michael's. I didn't mean to leave off a piece of Michael's question, which was, do we see any sort of behaviors in retention around QuickBooks Self-Employed, TurboTax Self-Employed? The answer is, we're still in the early phases of that, but it's performing exactly as we had hoped and actually slightly more positive. We'll talk more about that at Investor Day, Michael, and I'm sorry I didn't close that out. Kash, to your point, I've got to tell you, self-employed is one of the more exciting things I've seen in my 15 years here. We talk about a TAM of 800 million small businesses around the world, 750 million of those qualify as self-employed or businesses of one.

Today, this is about 34% of the workforce around the globe. It's going to be 43% in the next handful of years, and it's a very real phenomenon. What makes it exciting in terms of their behaviors and some of the differences that you asked me about, it's not just the numbers, it's their needs. When you get underneath what keeps a self-employed business operator awake at night, the first is the fluctuation of income. It's feast or famine. They may have lots of rides in Uber and then a period of time where there are no rides, or if they're working for TaskRabbit or DoorDash, lots of deliveries, and then not a lot of deliveries. They have to find a way to even out that cash flow so that they have the ability to cover their necessities and live a daily life.

The other thing is finding the next gig. They often work two or three of these different jobs. Sometimes they drive, and then sometimes they deliver, and sometimes they'll actually do tasks. We're bringing a combination of matchmaking capabilities, the ability for you to separate your personal and business expense, the ability for you to predict your income and then what you're going to need to have for a certain bill. We're trying to help them manage their lives that way. There are lots of unique things that we have assets that we can apply in different ways that we think will help solve their most important problems. I love where you finished your question, which is other services we could sell. We got used to razor and razor blades in QBO. That model also applies to self-employed, but in different products.

It's not going to be payroll and payments, but it could be TurboTax, the ability to manage your finances and then connect to taxes, which is what we proved this year. We have added payments capability, the ability to send an invoice, track it like a Domino's Pizza, and then get paid electronically through your mobile phone. We have additional services, but I would say this, ARPC for us isn't the primary focus in self-employed. It is getting all 750 million, even if it's at $10 a month. That is a beautiful business, and we're super excited about the self-employed opportunity. I hope I've covered all your aspects. Michael, I hope I get out of jail free on the one I went back and answered for you.

Kash Rangan
Analyst, Bank of America

Great job, Brad. Congrats, Neil. We'll miss you. Thanks so much.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Thanks, Kash. Don't make me start missing him right now. He got five months left.

Kash Rangan
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

All right.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Walter Pritchard of Citi. Your question, please.

Walter Pritchard
Analyst, Citi

Thanks. I'm wondering just on tax, if you could help us understand. I think units have been the focus of your growth, and units were a little disappointing in fiscal 2017, and you've come back with pretty strong tax guide for fiscal 2018. I know you give us a lot of detail generally at Analyst Day, but I'm wondering if you'd give us any sort of early glimpses to how you think that 7% to 9% comes together as you look into 2018.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Yeah, sure, Walter. Let me start first with our guiding principle remains we want to expand the category, grow the number of people using our services, which are customers, and then look for ways to translate that into revenue and profit growth. Those are our priorities. At the end of the day, this year, we didn't see that play out. We saw customer growth being a little more tepid at 2%, but we did get strong monetization, and we're able to deliver above the guidance we had provided. I'm proud of the team. I think we left this year encouraged by two things, the way we were able to still achieve our financial results, and also some lessons learned in terms of how we can accelerate both category and customer growth as we look ahead.

As you know, it's a hyper-competitive tax category, so I don't want to unveil too much now. We'll talk a little bit more about it when we get closer to tax season. I will give you three major buckets, which we did talk about last year. One is the ability to continue to accelerate do-it-yourself category and compete more effectively in the free segment. The second is the opportunity to begin to transform the assisted tax category, bringing the best of technology with human assistance together through our SmartLook capabilities. The third is to begin to expand beyond tax and solve additional financial problems that these consumers are wrestling with. An example last year was credit score, and now with Mint and other assets combined, we see those as opportunities and catalysts for growth as well.

That's what gave us the confidence to be able to give you the outlook of 7% to 9% growth, which is an acceleration from this past season.

Walter Pritchard
Analyst, Citi

Neil, just on the expense front, it sounds like you were almost calling out some investments that you would make this year that were kind of unusual or ones that you needed to make. Is that the case, or how should we think about the level of incremental OpEx that you're guiding for in 2018 versus how you'd kind of steady state run the business?

Neil Williams
CFO, Intuit

Yeah. Walter, the four areas that I called out and mentioned are all things that came out of the strategic reassessment that Brad mentioned at the beginning of the call. As we begin to plan really for the next few years, we felt like we really needed to put more investment and more focus and more attention around artificial intelligence, machine learning, improving the effectiveness and efficiency of our engineering investment, which as you know, is a considerable investment, accelerating our transition to AWS, and also improving the effectiveness of our marketing in the U.S. and around the world. Those were all areas we felt like where maybe we had been under-investing in the past, there's a very diligent effort for 2018 and really going forward to step up in those areas with clear benefits delineated from them around the product offering and around customer benefits.

Yeah, that was a big focus of our plan for 2018 and really going forward.

Walter Pritchard
Analyst, Citi

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Keith Weiss of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Sanjit Singh
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Hi, this is Sanjit Singh for Keith Weiss. I guess first to start off, Neil, sad to see you go. It's been a pleasure working with you, but best of luck in retirement. In terms of questions to start off, I just had a quick clarification on the tax guidance. Embedded in your tax guidance, to what extent are you looking at an improvement in terms of overall filing growth? I know this year was a little bit of a weird year in terms of overall tax filing growth. Are you assuming a sort of return to normalcy going into next year?

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Yeah, this is Brad. First of all, it was an unusual year this year, and we'll have to wait till October to see where it ultimately finishes it up. What we are seeing across the industry is a little bit of an uptick in extension filing. Whether this year ends up being flat or slightly up, it is still more like 2013 and not like a typical cycle. Right now in our plans, to answer your question specifically, we're in that 0%-1% range. That's sort of where we are. Now, sometimes the industry is a little more bullish than that, and they'll say it's 1% to 1.5% or 1%-2%, but we're in the 0%-1%. That's what we factored in, and that's the model that we're using for the guidance we just gave.

Sanjit Singh
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Got it. Just a follow-up on margins, both short term looking at next year and then maybe a little bit longer term. When we look at margins expanding slightly next year, what are sort of the main factors that are what are the opportunities for you guys to drive margins next year? Longer term, with this QuickBooks Self-Employed emerging as a massive opportunity, when we think about margins longer term, how does that fit into your overall long-term margin framework?

Neil Williams
CFO, Intuit

Yeah, I'll take this one. Just a reminder, our first priority is always to grow our customer base and our top-line revenue. That's our first financial principle and always the thing we think about first. We're excited, and we're encouraged by the growth that we saw in 2017 and some prospects we see going forward. That's really encouraged us to lean in and to invest more, to fund and accelerate some of this growth. I think our ability to do that, the ability to put money into the areas I just mentioned, in a more concentrated way and still deliver some margin expansion for 2018 is just a tremendous thing. It shows our commitment to our second financial principle of growing our operating income faster than our top-line revenue.

It's also indicative of just really a very intense focus inside the company, to concentrate our investments in areas we think are really going to drive growth long term. How the margins play out in future years will really just be determined on the investment opportunities we see at the time. I really can't comment on that, but I'm really delighted with where we ended up in the margin guidance for 2018 to drive the type of investment that we're seeing in top-line growth, and still deliver some good margin expansion, I think is I'm pleased with that.

Sanjit Singh
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Understood. Congrats on the nice fiscal year.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ross MacMillan of RBC. Your line is open.

Ross MacMillan
Analyst, RBC

Thank you very much. My congrats. Neil, you'll be missed, but looking forward to see you at Analyst Day in a month or so.

Neil Williams
CFO, Intuit

Thanks.

Ross MacMillan
Analyst, RBC

Just on the consumer tax outlook, Brad, I just had a couple of questions. You outlined three things that the major buckets, if you will, that you think can drive the growth. I had two specific questions. One is on the acquisition of or transition of Assisted. Are we getting to a point now where SmartLook is actually driving sort of more users to TurboTax? If so, do they tend to be higher value users in the sense that they're not 1040 filers, they tend to come from Assisted, so they're already sort of higher value? That's question one. Then question two is, when we think about additional services, I think you talked about 20% of the ARPU uplift this year came from things like fraud protection or audit insurance. Is that an expanding part of the pie?

Is that going to continue to drive an incrementally higher amount of growth in consumer tax? Thanks a lot.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Thank you, Ross. Let me start first with the Transform Assisted. As you know, about 40% of the market uses a DIY service and 60% roughly an Assisted if you throw stores and CPAs in there together. If you look at where the $ are spent, it's disproportionately much more towards Assisted. There is a big value pool there, and a lot of them, we believe, could be using a do-it-yourself solution, and they simply have this nagging question that we have found SmartLook solve delightfully well, and we're able to get them into the DIY category. What we did see this year with SmartLook were three things. One is the sources of new customers this year did come at a higher percentage from those who have been using an Assisted method last year.

Yes, we are getting people into the DIY category with the SmartLook offering. Number 2 is when they used it, they were delighted. They had a 20-point higher customer satisfaction rating than those who did not use. Which we believe will translate into the third lever, which is fewer people who have a nagging question in the future will think they have to leave a do-it-yourself solution and go to Assisted. We think it will help with retention. We think the Transform Assisted is early days, but we've seen enough proof points to say this is something that we're going to lean into aggressively, and we had a really good year this year with it. The second on the value-added services, we do recognize that customers pay for value.

While some portions of the tax market are free, and we certainly have led that way for many, many years, we do discover if we solve additional problems for customers, they're willing to pay for those services. You came out with a couple of them in your question, and we are exploring others. That's why we've put the Mint business and the TurboTax business together to begin to think more holistically about the overall financial needs of a consumer. I don't want to go much more into detail there, the answer to your question is yes. You can imagine portions of this value prop, there will be more free, there will be more other areas where we'll be able to monetize, and that's why we continue to look at strong growth in both customers as well as revenue.

Ross MacMillan
Analyst, RBC

That's helpful. Thank you. One follow-up just quickly on the investments in fiscal 2018. There was four buckets there that Neil mentioned. I just wondered on enhanced branding and marketing, to what extent you're going to lean into acquiring more free users in TurboTax or look to sort of up the ante on Absolute Zero or whatever marketing plan you have for the forthcoming year.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Yeah, I would say two things. One is that enhanced brand and marketing will be across the ecosystem. We have services from QuickBooks Online to Self-Employed to global markets we're opening up to, obviously, TurboTax. Think about that as an aggregate bucket, because we've learned if we get one growing, we can accelerate the growth of the other. I want to hold off, if you don't mind, on revealing too much about what we plan to do or not do with Absolute Zero at this point, just given the competitive nature of the market. Suffice it to say that just as we always do, we came out with some lessons learned, and we're excited to get back in the game next year. We'll share a little bit more closer to season.

Ross MacMillan
Analyst, RBC

Thanks so much, and congrats again.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Nandan Amladi of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Nandan Amladi
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Neil, congrats on your retirement. I hope to see you in a few weeks at Analyst Day. Brad, the question on the sustained 40% unit growth for QuickBooks Online, how much growth are you expecting in the Self-Employed and international as part of the 40%?

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Yeah, Nandan, that will be a key piece of it. We still see lots of upside in the U.S. We have a good significant number of small businesses here that are still using Excel spreadsheets and shoe boxes, that will be core growth in the U.S. Whether it's in the Self-Employed segment or what we historically thought of as core QBO, we now see that as a QBO lineup. Just like we have TurboTax Basic, Deluxe, and Premier, we're going to have the same thing here with QBO. As we open up new markets, we've got real acceleration happening in the U.K., Canada, and Australia. We're still in the final stages of getting product market fit in India, France, and Brazil.

Those will add to units over time, we haven't, at this point, shared what % of the mix will come from any one of those pieces. Instead, what we're focused on and what we would ask you to think about is total subscriber growth north of 40%, the ecosystem revenue growth north of 30%, which is, by the way, an increase from what we've been saying. We've been saying 25%-30%. What we'll continue to share with you at Investor Day is we watch the LTV to CAC. Are we actually acquiring those customers profitably? Anything north of 3 is positive, and we are well above that number when you blend it all in, whether it's Self-Employed, it's new countries, or it's core U.S. Those three things should give us all confidence that we're growing a healthy and profitable franchise.

Nandan Amladi
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thank you. A quick follow-up on QuickBooks Enterprise. You mentioned that you're expecting units to decline, revenue to be up slightly. How much impact are you seeing from consolidation in the market there, Sage particularly entering the U.S. market with their purchase of Intacct? Is there any pressure to move to a cloud-based solution in the QuickBooks Enterprise family?

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Thank you for the question because it gives us a chance to clarify something that I think we may have created a misperception. When we said that our QuickBooks Desktop units will be declining, that includes our core QuickBooks, not just Enterprise. We have a QuickBooks Pro, a QuickBooks Premier, and then QuickBooks Enterprise. The Enterprise category actually isn't declining in units. It continues to grow, and it tends to be the low-end disruptor for that mid-market space, where we're about 30% cheaper than the names that you just listed, and our product and our Net Promoter Scores tend to be better than those alternatives.

What we are seeing is even though we have a decline in overall desktop units as more people now opt for the cloud with QBO, or they even migrate over to QBO, we still have a very healthy and growing QuickBooks Enterprise franchise that's growing both customers and market share, and it's growing revenue, and that's what's basically keeping the total desktop revenue ecosystem slightly positive.

Nandan Amladi
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thank you.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

You're welcome. Thank you for the question.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Scott Schneeberger of Oppenheimer. Your question, please.

Scott Schneeberger
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Thanks. Good afternoon. Neil, it's been a real pleasure. Congratulations to you and to Michelle. My question's on the new investments and just a feel for timing. Is this a multi-year thing, or are these four initiatives going to be in this single year? You mentioned EBIT margin will expand, and you're going to rein in on share repurchases. Is that a one-year thing or a multi-year thing? That's the general gist of the question, however you'd like to approach it. Thanks.

Neil Williams
CFO, Intuit

The increased investments, Scott, are really multi-year investments. I wouldn't think of them being incremental or increases every year, but I think our commitment is to do fewer things really well, and to really start and complete some projects that have the most impact. I would think of it as clearly a multi-year assignment. On the share repurchase buyback, I wouldn't overreact to that. If you look at what we have guided around our share count, the 15% dividend increase, we're still going to be returning roughly 70% of our free cash flow through share buybacks and through dividend increases, even at the low end. We'll see how the market plays out and see what other investment opportunities we have. As I said, I think the adjustment in that program is going to be pretty modest.

If you think about 85% return this year, or in 2017, and probably something in the low 70s for 2018. It's going to be a pretty modest adjustment there.

Scott Schneeberger
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Great. Thanks. Just as a follow-up on comments, Brad or Neil, on seasonality for the upcoming tax season. I know it's early yet, but we had the slow start this past year on IRS fraud prevention. Just wondering what you're hearing at this point in the summer from the IRS and what you think we may expect. As part of that prior question on your enhanced marketing spend, Brad, you said it was across the ecosystem. Just curious how that might impact marketing in spend, specifically in the TurboTax category. Thanks.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Yeah, Scott, it's still really early to be able to anticipate what's going to happen, but if you just look at some of the leading indicators, Congress is still trying to debate whether there will or won't be changes to tax law. You've got a transition as a commissioner at the IRS that'll be occurring in the fall. Obviously, you have new leadership stepping into some of our competitors' roles. I think at the end of the day, it's going to be a fast and furious get everything done and get ready for tax season. We're anticipating that. We're agile, we're able to react. We've got quite a few years of doing it.

The other thing we do know is it is human nature, as technology makes it easier, and the last thing we want to think about is filing taxes, that people continue to push later and later into the season. I believe we're going to continue to deal with those kinds of phenomena. In terms of the marketing stuff, we don't want to talk, as I mentioned a few minutes ago, about specifics around whether we're going to increase any focus in any particular product. What we are going to do, as Neil said, is we reallocated dollars now that we see a healthy LTV to CAC. We see our Net Promoter Score is really improving. I mentioned the QuickBooks Online up 22 points year-over-year.

Any time we see that, we say, "Now's a good time to step on the accelerator and build category awareness and get our products out there." I don't want to comment on what we're going to do with TurboTax other than to say we're excited for the whistle to blow and the new season to start.

Scott Schneeberger
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Sterling Auty of JP Morgan. Your question please.

Sterling Auty
Analyst, JP Morgan

Yeah, thanks. Wanted to circle back to consumer tax and some of the discussion around unit volumes. Can you give us a sense of what you saw in terms of maybe some of the share shift at the low end versus the high end, and how does that play into your strategy for the upcoming tax year?

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Yeah, Sterling, we'll unpack more of that at Investor Day. We try to get as granular as we can without giving up too much of the secret sauce. I would say overall, we roughly held share this year. On one hand, you could say in a very complicated tax season where total IRS returns were not healthy and you had new competition and intense competition, you could say that's not so bad. For us, it was a disappointment because we always want to grow share at least a point each year. The second is we have lessons learned here.

We've been around the block a few times. If I take you back to 2013, that was a year where we grew our units 3%, we grew our revenue 4%. We came back to the locker room, we watched the game film. The next year we came out and we were able to grow the units 9% and the revenue 7%. We've come back and we've kind of figured out, okay, what is it that we're excited about? What is it we think we could have done differently? What will we do as a result? That stuff we'll share a little bit closer to tax season.

Right now, I can tell you that we held share, we performed better in paid than we did in free. We think we have some good lessons learned of how we're going to go after that a little differently this year.

Sterling Auty
Analyst, JP Morgan

One follow-up on QBO. Given the increased focus here on SE, does it change how the innovation engine around QBO works? In other words, where you're investing more of the resources from a development effort?

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

I want to first just make sure that I haven't left a false perception. When I say increased focus on SE, that's not away from QBO. QBO has a ton of headroom. It was QBO that improved its Net Promoter Score 22 points year-over-year. That business is really accelerating. QBSE is incremental on top of that. It was a category that we used to over-serve with QBO. They don't need full accounting. All they need is separating business personal expense, the ability to send that into a tax return or an accountant. Then be able to track an invoice and get paid. We have a right offering for self-employed, and we have a right for me offering for QBO.

I would just simply say that today we feel like it's an and, not an or, and there isn't going to be any massive shift away from QBO to go after QBSE.

Sterling Auty
Analyst, JP Morgan

That makes sense. Just lastly, Neil, congratulations. I'm hoping the board presents you with a brand new Corvette to send you off right.

Neil Williams
CFO, Intuit

Thank you, Sterling. That's a great idea.

Sterling Auty
Analyst, JP Morgan

Thanks, guys.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Yes, Sterling, thanks for making my job a lot easier.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jim Macdonald of First Analysis. Your question, please.

Jim Macdonald
Analyst, First Analysis

Yeah. First, congratulations, Neil, and good luck. Brad, I was very interested in something you said in your later remarks about QBO growing 40% as a goal for apparently a longer period. As you get to these big numbers, you're starting to add as many units as you used to have a couple of years ago. Could you talk a little bit about how long you can keep doing that?

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Yeah, Jim, I know that there's always a double-edged sword when you give sort of a guiding principle like that, and for us, it's subscribers of 40% plus, and it's the online ecosystem revenue of 30% plus. We really are early days here. The shift to the cloud has put all the decisions back up for consideration. I think I've shared in prior quarters that in 2005, we saw a tipping point where the number of people in TurboTax leaning towards the cloud was 50/50 versus desktop. You fast-forward just a couple years, and it became 90/10 for TurboTax cloud versus desktop. Two years ago, we hit that 50/50 tipping point with QuickBooks Online versus desktop when it came to new users. That number is now 80/20, people leaning to the cloud.

As you think about more people leaning to the cloud, more countries we can serve, and you throw in SE on top of that, which was a category we could never even go after in the past, we don't see in the near term, the next several years, a need to back off of the 40%. If we do, we'll be the very first to come out and change the expectation. Today, it's the law of large numbers. We've got 800 million prospects, and we currently have 2.3 million existing customers, and we think there's plenty of room to grow.

Jim Macdonald
Analyst, First Analysis

Great. We haven't talked about acquisitions in a while, so I thought I'd ask, are acquisitions part of your investment approach, in terms of maybe buying in some technology or talent?

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Yes, Jim, they are. Typically, as you just suggested, they are technologies or product features that enable us to fill out a roadmap that will help us get to market faster, or they're talent. When Neil mentioned artificial intelligence and machine learning as one of the four areas we're investing in, you can think of that being as much about talent acquisition as it is about the algorithms and capabilities we might buy in a product. We are using M&A. It gets held to the same ROI hurdles as everything else, a 15% plus return over a five-year period. You really won't see any deviation from that as we look ahead.

Jim Macdonald
Analyst, First Analysis

Great. Thanks, guys.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Thank you, Jim.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Kartik Mehta of Northcoast Research. Your question, please.

Kartik Mehta
Analyst, Northcoast Research

Hey, good afternoon, Brad. I wanted to ask you a little bit about what you said about the Tax business, transforming the assisted side. I'm wondering, as you move up the ladder, what kind of impact do you think that has on the Tax segment from a revenue perspective and a margin perspective?

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Yeah. Kartik, I would say a couple things. One is, we believe there's a lot more revenue opportunity to be captured there. We believe with the assets we bring and the accountant relationships we already have, then a platform or technology that matches a consumer who needs tax filing needs with a pro who may be willing to lean in on that platform and help get those needs taken care of, we think we have a lot of opportunity for growth on the revenue side. We haven't provided any guidance around any revenue or margin expansion beyond next year. When we get to Investor Day, we often share, here's what the outlook you can think about in Small Business and in Tax, we'll talk more then.

Right now, our guidance is 7%-9% for next year, which is a healthy year for TurboTax coming off of last year's guidance, which was 6%-8%.

Kartik Mehta
Analyst, Northcoast Research

Then maybe, Brad, you talked about anticipating about 0%-1% growth in the overall tax market. What would you anticipate for DIY? What kind of a difference would you anticipate the DIY category will grow versus the total category?

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

I think there is a continuing trend that's gone on for more than a decade, that that category, DIY, is secularly advantaged. As people have grown up with technology and technology enables you to do some magical things, more and more people are choosing to do their taxes using software, whether it is a PC or it's a mobile phone. As you start to introduce concepts like SmartLook, the ability to have a live video chat with a pro while doing your taxes on a phone or on a computer, that's only going to expand the DIY category. Historically, it's been a 3%-5% sort of category growth, at this point, we haven't deviated from that outlook.

This year, of course, was a crazy year across the board for every category, including the overall IRS, we didn't quite see that growth like we would've expected. We don't think that this year is predictive of the future, I think if you look back over the last 10, you'll see that those numbers are pretty well-supported.

Kartik Mehta
Analyst, Northcoast Research

Thanks, Brad. I appreciate it.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

All right. Take care, Kartik.

Kartik Mehta
Analyst, Northcoast Research

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question come from Raimo Lenschow of Barclays. Your question, please.

Raimo Lenschow
Analyst, Barclays

Thanks for taking my question, and all the best to you, Neil, from me as well. Brad, it seems like around AI, there seems to increased urgency from your side, and I guess I see it from the market as well. Can you talk a little bit about the impact that the whole AI machine learning could have on your business? It seems like the whole world is going to be reshaped here. I'm just thinking about how that will play out for Intuit. I know you probably talk a little bit more on the analyst day at that. Thank you.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Yeah. Thank you, Raimo. You're right. We're at this precipice now where all this massive amount of data, and then the ability to match it with the processing power and the data storage and the smart algorithms, can allow you to do some pretty magical things for customers. We don't kid ourselves. We know the categories we're in are required, but not desired. People don't wake up excited about accounting or paying their taxes or paying their utility bill. We have three benefits that our customers have always expected of our products. That is more money in their pocket, with little to no work, and complete self-confidence that they didn't mess anything up in the process. When you think about artificial intelligence, it is uniquely suited to solve those problems.

It can help you by looking at your characteristics, find better deals, whether it's small business loans or lower credit card fees. It can help you get rid of the questions that you would have to answer in TurboTax or anything in accounting, so you literally don't have to think about it, so there's no work. It can double-check your work for you to take the human being and match it with the computer so you have complete confidence that you didn't mess anything up. We really do believe this is the core of our strategy going forward, and we're not at a standing start. We've shared before, we have over 100 patents that we have filed, and we have over 30 applications in market, but we're only ramping this up and we think it's going to be a big opportunity in the future.

Raimo Lenschow
Analyst, Barclays

Perfect. One quick follow-up, on QBO, you obviously saw, in terms of unit growth, a nice step up this year, and you guided for unit number for next year, which is kind of slowing down the growth a little bit. What are the puts and takes there? Obviously, you have a greater scale, like we discussed a couple of questions beforehand. What are the other factors we should think about there? Thank you.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Yeah. We're coming off of a really strong year this year, as you mentioned. It was our first year of being able to take advantage of some new countries catching fire, like the three, Canada, U.K. and Australia. We had our first year with TurboTax Self-Employed Bundle, which sent 170,000 units over into QuickBooks Online through the self-employed product. We're going to have some seasonality, we're going to have some compares and grow overs, when we gave our guidance for this year, it's still that 40% plus number. I expect coming out of the gates, we're probably going to see some more favorable numbers because we aren't going to have some of those things we have to compare against in income tax season. We're going to have to grow over a pretty good year this year.

That's not to say we're out of gas in Tax. As I mentioned, 170,000 of them are active, and there's three million of them in the TurboTax base. We plan to actually not make that an issue. That's why our guidance right now is in that 37%-42% range. That is not a ceiling for us. We simply think we have some grow over we're going to have as we continue to learn and figure out how we're going to keep this accelerator going.

Raimo Lenschow
Analyst, Barclays

Lovely. Thank you. Congratulations.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Millman of Millman Research. Your question, please.

Michael Millman
Analyst, Millman Research Associates

Following up on what you've discussed, a couple questions on Tax. One is, over the last three years, what's the number of distinct visitors that you've had on Tax? Kind of related to that, you've been talking without saying the word disruptive, but in terms of Tax, which market share translates into disruptive? Then I have another question.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Okay. Michael, I may need clarification on the second, on the first one, around the number of unique visitors, we had a slide that we put in our investor day in the fall, and it has fiscal year 2015 and fiscal year 2016. We haven't yet released 2017. We'll do that in the fall when we come back together in October. We had 89 million unique visitors that logged in in fiscal year 2015. It went to 92 million in fiscal year 2016, and we'll talk more about what we saw when we get together in October for 2017. It's a very large population of people that come to turbotax.com each year. Could you help me with your second question around disruptive? I wasn't sure.

Michael Millman
Analyst, Millman Research Associates

Disruptive means taking that number and increasing conversion. I'm not sure what conversion is now, maybe you can give us an idea, ask in a different way, of how much you can increase conversion, and what would that mean in terms of how many returns that you could be doing?

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Oh, okay. Gosh, I think that'll probably be easier for us to walk through with a funnel when we get together in October, and we'll try to unpack for you sort of what goes from someone who's a unique visitor, someone who actually clicks into the product and tries it, to someone who converts and becomes a full-time user. I could tell you at the highest level, roughly 155 million people are filing their taxes. 92 million came to TurboTax a year ago. We ended up with roughly 35 million who filed with TurboTax. If you throw in our pro segment, we've got roughly 55 million-60 million between those two products. We think SmartLook plus the improvements in our TurboTax product give us the ability to serve a much larger population of those 150-plus million than we are today, and that's why we talk about transform.

I don't know if I would use the word disruptive because the accountants are our friends here. We're working with them and they're providing the expert service. We do plan to be disruptive to competitive alternatives because we think we can do it with the more advanced technology at a lower price point for customers than they can, and that's what we plan to try to prove.

Michael Millman
Analyst, Millman Research Associates

The other question is on your desktop, with the Frost & Sullivan has kind of moved out of the market. Where do you see Desktop going?

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Desktop is becoming, as it is in the consumer space and now the small business space, as we look at the accounting professionals, they are leaning aggressively into our cloud-based solutions, and they're wanting to collaborate with their clients, whether they're consumers or small businesses using cloud technology, the ability to exchange documents electronically. It is earlier days there. We haven't hit the 50/50 tipping point, but we have definitely seen on the accountant side, more people using our online products, and competitors have also tried to introduce online products. If it goes back to TurboTax, we have 90% in the cloud and 10% in the Desktop. Those Desktop customers are sticky. They don't indicate right now they want to move to the cloud, and we're fine with that because we're able to deliver and serve them efficiently. When it comes to the pros, it's much earlier days.

Michael Millman
Analyst, Millman Research Associates

Thank you.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Anna of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Speaker 18

This is Anna for Jesse. On the small business side, what are your expectations for ARPU trajectory in fiscal 2018? I understand the subscriber base still growing very strongly globally, including the self-employment, which would pressure ARPU, but I think it would be helpful to get your view on the puts and takes there and potential upside drivers. Also a quick follow-up for Neil. Are there any updates you can share at this time on ASC 606? Thank you.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

All right. We'll hand it to Neil for the accounting treatment. On ARPU, as you know, we talked about this. It's a mix thing. On an apples to apples basis, we continue to see opportunities to improve the revenue per customer for self-employed, the revenue per customer outside the U.S., and the revenue per customer for the QBO customers in the U.S. When you put it all together, you see that ARPU number looking like it's going down because we're growing fast in the self-employed segment. We're growing quickly outside the U.S. For us, ARPU is not what we focus on. What we ask everybody to focus on is the ecosystem revenue growing faster than 30%. It was just 90 days ago that we used to guide 25%-30%.

It's getting healthy and healthier, and our LTV to CAC continues to be an opportunity for us to get those customers efficiently. We'll talk a little bit more. Neil often does this. We'll do it at Investor Day, where we'll show a chart that says, our ARPU overall by product line, which direction is it moving? I would say when you put it into the mix, the best thing to focus on would be to focus on revenue at the ecosystem level growing faster than 30%. Neil, you want to take 606?

Neil Williams
CFO, Intuit

Yeah. The headline on 606 is that it's not going to have a significant impact on our results over the next few years. We may see some movement in the quarters, our quarterization may change a little bit on our tax products, at the total company level and at the full year level, it's not going to have a significant impact on our results.

Speaker 18

Thank you.

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our final question comes from the line of Brad Reback of Stifel. Your question, please.

Brad Reback
Analyst, Stifel

Great. Thanks very much. Neil, just real quickly, with the push to AWS, does that longer term change the CapEx requirements of the business? Sort of as a corollary to that, does it impact the gross margin % looking forward? Thanks.

Neil Williams
CFO, Intuit

Yeah, Brad. The primary reason we're so eager to move to AWS is really to enable developer productivity, enable us to get things tested and get features out to market faster. It's a big component there of improving the effectiveness and efficiency of our developers. That said, you'll notice that there is some improvement or some decrease in our CapEx spending in 2017 versus 2016, and 2018 versus 2017. There's certainly an impact there. I frankly don't think the impact on the gross margin is going to be huge. It's certainly going to have an impact, but the bigger driver above all is to try to get more efficiency and effectiveness out of our R&D dollars. I think that's where you'll see some big improvement in getting products and getting things to market faster.

Brad Reback
Analyst, Stifel

Great. Thanks very much.

Operator

Thank you. As there are no further questions in queue, would you like to close with any additional remarks?

Brad Smith
Chairman and CEO, Intuit

Yes, Latif, thank you. First of all, we want to thank everybody for the questions today. We obviously covered a lot of territory, not the least of which was the news that both Neil and Michelle have announced, and we're excited for both of them. If you take anything away from the call, what I hope you hear from Neil and myself today is we're pleased with our results in fiscal year 2017, but we're increasingly encouraged by the momentum that we're carrying into fiscal year 2018. We're looking forward to seeing you at our Investor Day, where we'll share more about our refreshed mission and our strategy and how all these pieces come together. Until then, we hope you have a great remainder of the summer. Thanks, everybody.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating. This concludes today's conference call.