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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Mar 15, 2023

Operator

Hello, welcome to the Kandi Technologies Full Year 2022 Financial Results Conference Call and Webcast. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Kewa Luo, Manager, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Kewa.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Thank you, operator. Hello everyone, thank you all for joining us on today's conference call to discuss Kandi's results for the full year 2022. Earlier today, we issued a press release covering the results. You can find the press release on the company's website as well as from Newswire services. On the call with me today are Mr. Xiaoming Hu, Chairman of the board, Dr. Xueqin Dong , Chief Executive Officer, and Mr. Alan Lim, Chief Financial Officer.

Dr. Dong will deliver prepared remarks in Chinese, which I will then translate. After that, we will have a Q&A session. Before we continue, please note that today's discussion will contain forward-looking statements made under the Safe Harbor Provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. As such, the company's actual results may be materially different from the expectations expressed today. Further information regarding these and other risks and uncertainties is included in the company's public filings with the SEC. The company does not assume any obligation to update any forward-looking statement, except as required under applicable law. Please note that unless otherwise stated, all figures mentioned during the conference call are in U.S. dollars. With that, let me now turn the call over to our CEO, Xueq in Dong. Go ahead, Dr. Dong.

Xueqin Dong
CEO, Kandi Technologies Group

好 , 开 着 吗 ? 好 , 大 家 好 , 我 是 Kandi 的 CEO, 董 学 勤 。 今 天 我 与 我 们 的 董 事 长 胡 晓 明 先 生 以 及 CFO 林 振 明 先 生 , 都 在 会 上 , 和 大 家 一 起 分 享 康 迪 2002 年 的 财 报 情 况 。 也 非 常 感 谢 大 家 能 够 参 加 今 天 的 电 话 会 议 。 Kewa.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Hello everyone, I'm Xueqin Dong, CEO of Kandi. Today our Chairman Mr. Xiao Ming Hu and CFO Alan Lim and myself are all here to share Kandi's financial results for 2022 with you. Thank you very much for joining today's conference call.

Xueqin Dong
CEO, Kandi Technologies Group

2022 年 , 我 们 Kandi 全 年 的 总 收 入 约 为 $118 billion 。 由 于 前 两 年 是 Kandi 产 品 结 构 , 产 品 结 构 的 战 略 调 整 期 , 以 及 受 到 COVID 影 响 等 原 因 , 在 2022 年 我 们 还 是 亏 损 了 约 $12.9 million 。 如 果 我 们 去 除 2021 年 因 处 置 长 期 资 产 和 股 权 转 让 而 获 得 的 $66.2 million 的 一 次 性 收 益 , 2023 年 其 实 比 2021 年 的 $22.90 million 的 净 收 益 是 有 较 大 的 改 善 。 另 外 , 我 们 的 资 产 负 债 表 仍 然 是 十 分 的 健 康 。 在 2002 年 末 , 我 们 还 有 约 $232 million 的 现 金 余 款 , 这 对 我 们 未 来 的 发 展 打 下 了 比 较 好 的 基 础 。

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Our total revenue for the full year of 2022 was approximately $118 million. Results were impacted by the strategic adjustments to our product structure over the past two years as well as the pandemic. These drove a loss of approximately $12.9 million in 2022. However, if we exclude 2021's one-time gain of $66.2 million from the disposal of long term assets and equity transfer, this is actually a significant improvement. As we enter 2023, our balance sheet is healthy with a cash balance of approximately $232 million. This lays a good foundation for our future development.

Xueqin Dong
CEO, Kandi Technologies Group

为 了 应 对 疫 情 和 电 动 汽 车 领 域 供 过 于 求 , 甚 至 恶 性 竞 争 的 挑 战 , 那 么 我 们 将 重 点 转 移 到 了 非 公 路 车 辆 上. 我 们 利 用 我 们 独 特 的 电 动 汽 车 技 术 , 形 成 了 更 加 多 元 化 和 更 富 有 弹 性 的 商 业 模 式 , 这 使 得 我 们 的 收 入 在 健 康 增 长 , 同 时 也 减 少 了 我 们 在 电 动 汽 车 市 场 的 潜 在 损 失. Kewa.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

To cope with the challenges of the pandemic and the oversupply of EVs in China that is causing intense competition, we shifted our focus to off-road vehicles. We have used our unique electric vehicle technology to form a more diversified and flexible business model. This resulted in healthy revenue growth for us while reducing potential losses in the electric vehicle market.

Xueqin Dong
CEO, Kandi Technologies Group

展 望 未 来 , 我 们 将 继 续 与 我 们 的 合 作 伙 伴 精 诚 合 作 , 在 纯 电 动 非 公 路 车 市 场 上 继 续 创 新 , 提 供 优 质 的 客 户 服 务 , 以 满 足 不 断 变 化 的 客 户 需 求 。 我 们 纯 电 动 汽 车 技 术 方 面 的 专 业 知 识 , 为 我 们 在 纯 电 动 非 公 路 车 辆 市 场 上 抢 占 先 机 提 供 了 很 好 的 一 个 基 础 。Kewa.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Moving forward, we will cater to the evolving needs of our clients. We will collaborate closely with our partners to drive innovation in fully electric off-road vehicles and deliver exceptional customer service. Our deep knowledge and expertise in full electric technology equips us with a solid foundation to gain a competitive advantage in the market of fully electric off-road vehicles.

Xueqin Dong
CEO, Kandi Technologies Group

前 两 年 , 我 们 康 迪 公 司 是 处 于 产 品 结 构 战 略 调 整 期 , 同 时 也 受 到 了 疫 情 影 响 等 原 因 , 造 成 了 一 定 的 程 度 的 亏 损 。 随 着 我 们 的 战 略 调 整 逐 步 的 到 位 , 我 相 信 很 快 就 会 改 变 这 种 现 状 , 我 期 待 为 康 迪 的 成 功 做 出 贡 献 。 科 瓦 。

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Over the past two years, our company has undergone a strategic adjustment period and faced the unprecedented challenge of the pandemic, resulting in losses. Nevertheless, as our revised strategy begins to take shape, I am confident that we will soon turn the right tide. I am eager to make meaningful contributions to Kandi's success and growth.

Xueqin Dong
CEO, Kandi Technologies Group

现 在 我 们 开 始 这 个 问 答 环 节, 我 和 Hu Xiaoming 董 事 长 将 回 答 大 家 提 出 的 问 题, Kewa 和 林 志 明 先 生 会 对 英 文 的 问 题 提 供 翻 译。 请 开 始 提 问。 谢 谢。

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Now we will move on to the Q&A session. Chairman Hu Xiaoming and I will answer your questions. Ms. Kewa and Mr. Alan Lim will provide translation for English questions. Please go ahead and ask your questions.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now be conducting your question and answer session. If you'd like to be placed in the question queue, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing star one. One moment please while we pull for questions. Our first question is coming from Mark Canal from a private investor. Your line is now live.

Mark Canal
Shareholder, Private Investor

Yes, good morning, everybody, thanks for the terrific results you presented. I have a question that is out of three questions. As discussed on the last conference call, it appears the long-awaited 300,000 government-accredited Uber-like rideshare program has started to wake up with the national government finally approving Kandi build K23 for full highway use now being licensed under the partner certified China automaker Hengrun. My three questions are: A, from Mr. Hu's statement on this subject at the last conference call, it appears that Kandi will be paid for providing the parts required for Hengrun to manufacture this EV. When Mr. Hu says parts, how many parts is Kandi providing? About how much in parts revenue can Kandi receive for each vehicle built? Maybe we start with just.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

All right. Thank you for your question.

这 个 问 题 是 问 上 次 电 话 会 的 时 候 呢 , 我 们 讨 论 到 的 就 是 300,000 辆 合 规 网 约 车 这 个 项 目 。 现 在 看 起 来 已 经 开 始 有 了 进 展 。 国 家 政 府 呢 , 终 于 批 准 Kandi 生 产 的 K23 这 辆 车 型 可 以 上 了 高 速 公 路 , 开 始 使 用 。 也 跟 我 们 的 合 作 伙 伴 , 经 过 认 证 的 中 国 汽 车 制 造 商 Hengrun Automobile 的 许 可 下 , 获 得 了 授 权 。 他 的 第 一 个 问 题 是 , 上 次 会 议 上 的 时 候 , Mr. Hu 提 到 Kandi 将 为 Hengrun Automobile 提 供 零 部 件 , 而 获 得 报 酬 。 他 想 具 体 了 解 一 下 这 个 零 部 件 指 的 是 哪 些 。 每 制 造 一 辆 车 的 时 候 , Kandi 能 够 从 销 售 零 部 件 获 得 多 少 收 入 。

Xueqin Dong
CEO, Kandi Technologies Group

好 , 谢 谢 这 位 先 生 , 先 生 的 那 个 问 题 。 我 来 回 答 这 个 问 题 。 我 们 康 迪 这 边 提 供 的 是 一 个 整 车 的 总 成 , 所 以 说 我 们 可 以 从 每 辆 车 上 我 们 可 以 获 得 95% 以 上 的 收 入 。

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

First of all, thank you for your question. What we did is we're providing the whole set of the vehicle for the assembly parts in which we will obtain more than 95% of the revenue of each piece of the vehicle.

Mark Canal
Shareholder, Private Investor

That sounds a great number. My next two questions is, it appears Kandi K23 is being built in Kandi's Hainan facility, but by Hengrun. Is that correct? If so, whose employees are being used at the facility? Do you anticipate any new models being built in the rideshare company? If so, will they also be built under the Hengrun license as Kandi provided all of the parts? Last question. On the last conference call, Mr. Hu said we basically get all the income generated from the completed steps of these parts to sell to Hengrun. Does he really mean that Kandi provides all the parts or just major parts like motor batteries, battery management systems, and so on?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Got it.

Thank you。 他 第 二 三 个 块 , 嗯 , 问 题 是 第 二 问 题 , 他 说 , 嗯 , 那 看 , 嗯 , 应 该 是 这 些 零 件 都 是 在 康 迪 海 南 工 厂 制 造 的 , 嗯 , 那 是 不 是 可 以 , 呃 , 可 以 这 样 认 为 , 我 们 的 K 三 K 二 十 三 , 呃 , 就 是 , 呃 , 由 恒 睿 公 司 负 责 , 这 款 K 二 十 三 是 由 海 南 工 厂 制 造 的 。 啊 , 那 如 果 是 这 样 的 话 , 那 这 个 工 厂 是 使 用 的 谁 的 员 工 ? 是 我 们 的 呢 还 是 恒 睿 的 ? 啊 , 那 您 是 否 还 会 预 计 会 有 , 呃 , 新 的 车 型 来 投 入 到 网 约 车 项 目 里 面 ? 那 , 呃 , 如 果 是 的 话 , 这 些 新 的 车 型 是 否 也 还 是 会 在 恒 睿 的 许 可 , 就 是 , 呃 , 牌 , 公 告 下 , 啊 , 那 是 不 是 还 仍 然 是 由 康 迪 提 供 所 有 的 零 部 件 ? 啊 , 最 后 一 个 问 题 是 , 呃 , 胡 总 , 呃 , 在 电 话 会 议 中 不 断 地 提 到 我 们 的 收 益 呢 , 是 来 自 我 们 销 售 给 恒 睿 的 整 套 部 件 , 那 我 就 想 具 体 知 道 这 些 部 件 具 体 是 什 么 , 是 所 有 的 部 件 呢 , 还 是 只 是 一 些 主 要 的 , 比 如 说 电 机 、 电 池 、 电 池 管 理 啊 什 么 的 。

Hu Xiaoming
Chairman of the Board, Kandi Technologies Group

K23, this car, our entire vehicle assembly is produced in our Hainan factory, and Hengrun is responsible for the final assembly. If we are to develop, currently developing new models, under the current situation, we will still continue to cooperate with Hengrun. As for this, the question this gentleman just asked, this question, that is, what we call parts, refers to all the assembly parts of the entire vehicle that we provide. So, our Hainan Kandi provides them. Thank you.

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

As for the question related to the work process, all the parts and the manufacturing for the components are taking place in Hainan of our company, whereas Hengrun is responsible for the final assembly, you know, for the vehicle, that's how we work together in the cooperation. If a new model is going to be developed, our plan is still cooperate with Hengrun under the current situation. As for the parts that we're manufacturing, yes, we're actually manufacturing and providing all the parts, including the engines, the motors, the batteries and all the parts. It's all done, the parts all done by our Kandi.

Mark Canal
Shareholder, Private Investor

Great! Thank you for taking my question and keep on the good work. I can see the shipment that's coming into the U.S. since NEVs it looks terrific these days. Just keep on the good work and talk to you on the next conference call then. Thank you.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Thank you.

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Michael Pfeffer from Oppenheimer. Your line is now live. Hi Michael, I cannot hear you. Are you on?

Michael Pfeffer
Executive Director - Investments, Oppenheimer

Yeah, hello, hi. Thanks for taking my question. On the last conference call, Mr. Hu said, "Regarding the production conditions for the K32 off-road trucks, we've been refining the whole production workflow in the past few months, and right now we are capable of the full and mass productions." While investors are getting a lot of feedback on golf carts, we've heard very little on this really good looking truck, though this truck is fully equipped as a plug-in electric, sells in the low $30,000 level, somewhat similarly equipped Ford F-150 would sell at more than twice that price, around $75,000. While we know the top speed is around 65 miles per hour and up to a 130 mile range, one would think, though not yet approved for general highway use, this would be a rural big seller under farm truck license exemptions which are available in most agricultural states. Maybe just pass that on to Mr. Hu, I have two quick questions off that.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

OK,thank you。 上 次 会 议 的 时 候 呢 , 啊 , 胡 先 生 提 到 就 是 关 于 我 们 K 三 十 二 非 公 路 用 车 , 现 在 已 经 完 全 具 备 了 批 量 生 产 的 条 件 , 而 且 呢 逐 步 开 始 正 常 发 货 。 嗯 , 那 我 们 作 为 投 资 者 , 嗯 , 也 得 到 了 很 多 反 馈 。 而 且 呢 , 对 于 这 辆 外 观 很 好 的 , 呃 , 卡 车 呢 , 我 们 是 很 期 待 能 有 更 多 的 消 息 , 但 是 呢 , 呃 , 官 方 信 息 很 少 。 呃 , 虽 然 这 款 卡 车 是 , 呃 , 是 完 全 装 备 的 插 电 式 的 电 动 车 , 但 是 这 个 售 价 仅 仅 在 三 万 美 元 以 下 , 而 且 这 个 这 辆 车 呢 , 很 类 似 福 特 的 一 款 E 一 五 零 这 款 车 , 而 这 款 车 的 售 价 呢 , 是 我 们 康 迪 的 这 辆 车 的 差 不 多 两 倍 多 , 大 概 是 七 点 五 万 美 元 。 啊 , 虽 然 我 们 知 道 , 嗯 , 这 辆 车 最 高 速 度 可 能 是 , 啊 , 六 十 五 至 三 十 一 百 , 呃 , 一 百 三 十 英 里 的 这 个 范 围 , 嗯 , 而 且 呢 , 觉 得 认 为 这 辆 车 , 嗯 , 可 能 现 在 还 尚 未 获 批 到 能 够 在 公 路 使 用 , 嗯 , 可 能 , 呃 , 根 据 大 多 数 的 , 呃 , 这 个 , 呃 , 要 求 , 可 能 这 个 车 只 能 够 在 作 为 农 用 卡 车 在 非 公 路 车 上 使 用 。 嗯 , 我 , 我 有 两 个 问 题 , 接 下 来 。Go ahead with your question。

Michael Pfeffer
Executive Director - Investments, Oppenheimer

Thank you. What specifically did Mr. Hu mean by his quote I mentioned above? By referring to Kandi being now capable of full mass production.

If this is true, is he referring to the truck being produced as an LSEV or is he inferring that he soon expects it to be cleared for full NHTSA registration?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

啊 我 第 一 个 问 题 就 是 我 想 呃 具 体 知 道 胡 先 生 在 这 个 上 次 会 议 上 说 , 呃 , 非 公 路 用 -- 这 辆 非 公 用 车 型 完 全 具 备 了 批 量 生 产 条 件 , 啊 是 是 什 么 意 思 ? 那 呃 , 那 就 是 你 指 的 是 这 我 们 正 在 生 产 的 这 个 车 将 会 是 以 低 速 电 动 车 呢 , 还 是 你 可 能 会 呃 去 申 请 就 美 国 高 速 公 路 安 全 局 获 得 它 全 面 的 注 册 许 可 。

Xueqin Dong
CEO, Kandi Technologies Group

啊 谢 谢 这 位 先 生 的 提 问 。 那 么 我 们 现 在 生 产 的 K32 啊 这 款 车 是 按 照 美 国 的 农 夫 车 标 准 去 开 发 的 , 啊 属 于 低 速 车 的 范 畴 , 啊 目 前 是 不 能 在 高 速 公 路 上 使 用 的 。

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

As to your question, our current model, the K32 is developed according to the standards for the farm vehicle under the United States Department of Transportation, which belongs to the category of low-speed vehicles. You can say the LSEV that cannot be utilized on the high road. Yeah, we are categorized our K32 as LSEV. Okay. Just last question, as an alternate course, what would be Mr. Hu's thoughts regarding my comment about the farm truck sales market?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

我 的 第 二 问 就 是 , 那 你 对 我 刚 才 就 是 , 关 于 这 款 农 用 卡 车 销 售 的 市 场 评 论 , 你 有 什 么 想 法 呢 ?

Xueqin Dong
CEO, Kandi Technologies Group

那 么 目 前 我 们 的 这 个 K32 这 款 车 正 在 美 国 试 销. 这 位 先 生 的 这 个 评 论 和 我 们 对 这 个 车 的 想 法 是 高 度 一 致 的. 那 么 我 想 等 我 们 的 客 户 了 解 了 这 辆 车 的 各 种 性 能 以 后, 我 们 相 信 这 辆 车 会 有 一 个 比 较 大 的 一 个 市 场. Okay.

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

Currently, actually the K32 is in the phase of the test marketing in the U.S. market. Your comments are highly consistent with our thoughts. We believe that, you know, once the customers get to understand and try out our car, they will know the performance, the use experience that can lead to a larger market in the U.S. side. Thank you.

Michael Pfeffer
Executive Director - Investments, Oppenheimer

Thanks for your comment.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Arthur Porcari from Corporate Strategies. Your line is now live.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

Good morning all. I'm gonna change my thing around a little bit. I'm surprised we haven't gotten the 10K announced yet. I'm gonna ask a few questions on basic products first, and then I want to ask a few more questions about these results we just came in with. Let's get back to the product situation. With a couple of comments followed by some questions on golf carts, as mentioned in Kandi's Q122 10-Q made public on May 22, we saw the following quote: On February 22, 2022, the Auto Sports and Coleman Powersports signed an MOU regarding the sale of 5,000 Kandi carts, golf carts valued at $29 million.

In the same SEC filing a few days later, another MOU was signed on March 3 with a group of more than 20 dealers, and that was put down to be valued at about $39 million for another 5,000 units, while both were mentioned in the 10K PR and SEC filings, which didn't come out until May, several months later, there was never a PR dedicated to either of these, which likely could be Kandi's largest EV contracts to date, and to date Kandi has never publicly identified to the public the Coleman carts were primarily for Lowe's Corp., one of the nation's largest big box store chains. It prominently showcases the Kandi cars with a Coleman front plate, and they put them outside the front entrance. Mine actually has seven of them right now. They started with two and they've been selling them. I guess it's because I'm down here in the south, considering there's 2,400 Lowe's stores, the potential is great there. Go ahead and pass that on to him. I got one more comment to make and then I'll give him my questions.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

他 这 位 投 资 人 他 说 由 于 公 司 还 没 有 放 出 我 们 的 10K, 所 以 他 这 个 问 题 有 些 变 化 。 首 先 他 想 问 一 个 , 就 是 , 我 们 之 前 在 我 们 的 一 个 季 报 里 面 呢 , 有 提 到 过 , 在 March 3 的 时 候 ,SC Autosports 和 20多个 经 销 商 有 签 订 了 一 个 将 销 售 价 值 $39 million, 共 5,000辆 , 这 个 就 是 高 端 高 尔 夫 车 的 这 个 合 约 。 这 个 新 闻 呢 , 我 们 其 实 是 应 该 是 我 们 目 前 来 说 最 大 的 一 个 订 单 吧 。 我 们 其 实 都 没 有 在 这 个 新 闻 上 来 呈 现 , 只 是 在 Q 里 面 的 。 这 个 我 们 甚 至 也 都 没 有 去 大 张 的 去 宣 传 这 辆 车 , 这 款 车 将 会 在 美 国 的 Lowe's 去 进 行 销 售 。 他 是 我 是 住 在 美 国 南 部 , 我 是 在 这 个 Lowe's 商 店 里 面 就 看 到 了 , 就 放 在 这 个 商 店 前 面 。 之 前 有 two辆 , 之 后 有 seven辆 。 这 个 是 个 非 常 好 的 销 售 渠 道 。 不 知 道 为 什 么 公 司 没 有 在 新 闻 上 去 提 到 这 桩 事 情 , 而 只 有 在 Q 里 面 才 说 到 。Go ahead with your question.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

Okay, some nine months after that original last statement back on November 29th, the company made its first freestanding press release on golf carts when it announced it already surpassed the 10,000 Contracted level and amount call for these first two accounts alone. A few weeks after that, shareholders saw a second PR where Coleman not only extended its contract for an additional 4,800, but with a value of $28 million, which is about equal to the full order for 2022. However, are all to be delivered in just Q1 2023, ensuring the best Q1 ever, likely be reported in May. With this said, I then have a few questions.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

嗯 但 然 后 在 九 个 月 之 后 呢 , 公 司 发 布 了 一 个 关 于 高 尔 夫 球 车 的 独 立 新 闻 稿 , 然 后 当 时 呢 , 呃 公 司 宣 布 就 已 经 超 过 了 呃 一 万 呃 量 的 这 个 合 约 , 呃 签 呃 签 跟 两 个 涨 ...

嗯 呃 两 个 呃 两 个 合 约 签 订 了 , 一 共 呃 有 一 万 辆 车 , 他 说 嗯 这 个 是 非 常 惊 人 的 一 个 呃 惊 人 的 一 个 数 量 的 一 个 一 个 合 约 的 呃 签 订 , 嗯 而 他 说 我 我 相 信 在 2023 年 的 第 一 个 季 度 会 这 些 都 会 体 现 在 第 一 个 季 度 , 会 有 很 会 会 是 五 月 , 呃 等 到 五 月 份 的 时 候 会 是 有 史 以 来 最 好 的 一 个 季 度 。 那 接 下 来 , 呃 我 我 就 此 有 几 个 问 题 。Go ahead,Arthur。

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

Okay. As, as was mentioned in the last conference call, I'm sure you all are aware that there is a logistical service called ImportKey that any shareholder or any analyst anybody would like to subscribe to, which gives a tremendous amount of detail on container shipping as it's coming out of China into the United States. Like 41 columns with everything imaginable, what's in there, how many pieces are in, and so on. With that available to us, and we talked again on the last conference call about it appears here that the question at the time was when you announced the 10,000 golf carts being surpassed with the company's press release. At that time, the ImportKey had only shown that 7,500 carts were imported to the United States.

A logical inference could be the Kandi is now selling these golf carts in China or other countries. Can management confirm or at least explain the difference?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

我 第 一 个 问 题 呢 , 我 是 想 确 认 一 下 , 因 为 我 们 嗯 呃 我 们 的 一 些 投 资 人 , 包 括 分 析 师 啊 , 发 现 了 一 个 叫 Importkey.com 这 个 网 站 呢 , 只 要 你 啊 花 钱 成 为 他 们 的 会 员 , 就 能 够 获 取 非 常 详 细 的 从 中 国 到 美 国 的 , 嗯 呃 这 呃 这 个 嗯 啊 销 售 过 来 的 , 呃 这 就 是 外 贸 销 售 过 来 的 这 个 很 详 细 的 信 息 。 然 后 呢 , 从 上 面 来 看 呢 , 我 们 公 司 到 美 国 的 运 输 呢 , 只 有 大 概 七 千 辆 进 口 到 美 国 , 七 千 辆 高 尔 夫 球 车 进 进 口 到 美 国 。 那 而 我 们 在 此 之 前 , 我 们 已 经 宣 布 了 有 超 过 一 万 辆 高 尔 夫 球 车 的 销 售 量 , 所 以 这 里 面 就 有 啊 一 些 不 同 的 嗯 不 同 的 数 据 在 里 面 , 我 们 想 知 道 那 这 个 不 同 的 差 距 , 这 些 数 字 呢 , 是 因 为 呃 康 迪 是 在 中 国 或 其 他 国 家 销 售 呢 , 还 是 怎 么 样 ? 管 理 层 是 否 来 证 实 下 这 一 点 , 来 解 释 一 下 其 中 的 差 三 千 辆 的 差 别 。

Xueqin Dong
CEO, Kandi Technologies Group

好 , 谢 谢 这 位 先 生 的 提 问 。 那 么 2022 年 11 月 , 呃 我 们 康 迪 集 团 海 南 工 厂 啊 宣 布 累 计 生 产 超 过 一 万 台 高 尔 夫 球 车 , 那 么 当 时 到 达 美 国 的 大 概 在 七 千 台 左 右 , 另 外 还 有 三 千 台 左 右 啊 在 发 往 美 国 的 运 输 途 中 。 那 么 另 外 2022 年 , 呃 康 迪 的 高 尔 夫 球 车 基 本 上 都 是 销 往 美 国 的 , 在 在 中 国 国 内 啊 有 少 量 的 销 售 。 啊 谢 谢 。

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

Thanks for your comment, question. During on November 2022, the company announced that our high-end base has produced more than aggregate of 10,000 pieces of crossover golf carts. At that time, 7,000 of the golf carts already arrived in the United States, whereas the remaining 3,000 were in transit to the States. During 2022, our golf carts are primarily sold to the United States with small portion of amount sales in China. That can explain, you know, the variance that you mentioned.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

Okay, fine. From the last conference call, was a question about AGM batteries, which were currently in the golf carts, and was asked whether Kandi was, I think it'd be mentioned that you were not making the AGM batteries, but you would be changing over shortly to lithium, and at that point in time Kandi would be providing the batteries. Can you explain a bit regarding the timing?

Since Kandi has its own high-end battery subsidiary, and also what parts of the golf cart does Kandi make?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

他 现 在 想 问 一 下 , 就 是 我 们 高 尔 夫 球 车 的 这 里 面 哪 一 部 分 是 我 们 来 , 是 我 们 公 司 来 提 供 制 造 生 产 的 ? 我 们 之 前 讲 过 , 就 是 我 们 的 收 购 的 电 池 公 司 , 我 们 将 转 把 电 池 的 组 装 转 为 锂 电 池 , 能 不 能 也 说 明 一 下 , 这 件 事 情 ?

Xueqin Dong
CEO, Kandi Technologies Group

好,2023 年,我 们 Kandi 主 要 生 产 的 是 采 用 锂 电 池 的 纯 电 动 高 尔 夫 球 车 和 其 他 电 动 非 公 路 车 辆。锂 电 池 是 我 们 Kandi 自 己 生 产 的,高 尔 夫 球 车 的 主 要 部 件 也 基 本 上 都 是 由 我 们 Kandi 自 己 生 产 的。谢 谢。

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

In 2023, we will mainly manufacturing the electric crossover golf carts and other the off-road electric vehicles using the lithium batteries produced by our ourselves.

Besides the major components of our close-up golf carts are basically produced by ourselves as well.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

That's great news then. I mean, we have a great battery division already anyway. Looking forward to seeing the 10K, see how that's continuing to improve. On one more question area in the golf carts, and then I wanna talk a little bit again about the numbers. For 2023, it appears we now have a six-passenger golf cart, and even more impressive, something that I would certainly could use where I am, would be a two-passenger golf cart with a really nice lift bed in the back, with I guess a hydraulic lift bed in the back, and a 3,500 pound winch in the front. These seem to be new models for the year, and they're already being advertised in the United States by a company called Safer Wholesale.

I believe they're just within the past week, I think Lowe's has now put them on their set websites as well. I guess they appear to be about the... at least as far as the two passenger and the lift bed in the back and all that seems to sell for about the same price, just under $10,000 at Lowe's. just under $10,000 with the... I'm sorry. I think that's around $10,999. I think that's what Safer Wholesale is selling that one for. Also, it's kind of interesting, they've got different colors. They even got some camos now with that deck on the front.

It's great for hunters that wanna sneak up on their what to shoot, what they're hunting for. Anyway, yeah, just could you go ahead and see if we. I guess I thought I had a question in there.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

I'm sorry, what's your question? Can you? I finish your question.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

I'm sorry. I got carried off with that. Okay. My question basically was, well, I guess some of it got pretty much answered on the last. Actually, it wasn't a question from me. I'm actually responding back to the answer he made. Let's talk about something else here now. On these numbers, you said that we had at that time you put out that press release, some 7,000 had already been sold to the United States, and that was still back, if I remember right, the end of November. How many carts did we deliver for all of 2022? I'm sure it'll probably show up when the numbers show up. They're not here yet. For the benefit of everybody here, how many golf carts did we actually sell that got booked in 2022?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Your question is, since 2022 November, how many golf carts have we sold till today?

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

Like, all of 2022.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

For 2022.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

All of 2022. How many were sold for all of 2022?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Okay. To have.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

How many were made? How many were made? Both.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Oh, in 2022?

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

Right.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Okay.

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

There we have two part of the sales. One is the intercompany sales between our Hainan and our U.S. subsidiary, SC. For that part, we sold roughly 10,000 pieces of the golf carts from our China and then U.S. subsidiaries. For the U.S. sales under the SC companies, we have sold roughly 7,000 during 2022.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

You're saying you've done 17,000 units in 2022?

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

7,000. 7,000 pieces.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

Oh. I heard you say 10,000 plus 7,000.

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

The $10,000 as I mentioned, but we have two parts, right? One is, the sales amount of China to SC. Of course, that will be eliminated in our consolidated financials, but we wanna show that, you know, how our internal operations stand for, right? $10,000 is from our Hainan facilities to SC, and then $7,000 is really selling to the external customers.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

I know.

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

7,000 that we have on the book.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

Well, at that time also, actually even prior to that, November, you already got the new contract, I guess, from Coleman for another 4,800 units, but this time instead of for the whole year, it was only for the one quarter. Is that correct?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

I'm sorry, Arthur, say one more time .

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

What I was saying is that for the you got that additional contract became it was announced by the company for 4,800 units for Coleman, but only for the to be delivered in the first quarter. I guess my part two part question on that is will it all be delivered in the first quarter that 4,800? What would that bring the total up to in total sales through the first quarter? I realize the first quarter is not over yet, but I mean you have expectations to do let's say another at least the 5,000 in the first quarter. How much more?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

嗯 , 他 问 因 为 在 第 一 季 度 我 们 又 有 一 则 新 闻 , 就 是 和 Coleman 签 了 四 千 八 百 辆 。 他 说 我 知 道 现 在 第 一 季 度 还 没 结 束 , 但 是 由 于 已 经 有 了 , 有 了 这 个 销 , 这 个 合 约 在 那 , 那 我 们 的 对 第 一 季 度 的 销 售 期 望 是 多 少 ? 啊 能 够 , 能 够 就 是 呃 最 终 , 嗯 , 呃 , 最 终 就 是 销 售 , 嗯 , 送 , 送 , 就 是 嗯 , 销 , 销 售 多 多 少 量 能 够 送 达 到 , 呃 , 送 达 到 我 们 的 经 销 商 的 地 方 。

Hu Xiaoming
Chairman of the Board, Kandi Technologies Group

这 个 是 这 样 , 那 个 因 为 一 季 度 中 国 的 春 节 , 再 说 这 个 高 尔 夫 球 车 销 售 也 是 淡 季 , 我 们 出 去 大 概 在 3,000 辆 左 右 吧 , 一 季 度 。

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

We expect that the sales of the golf cart vehicles to our end customers our external customers are roughly 3,000 pieces of the golf cart in the first quarter.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

That would bring the total up to 10,000 then?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

他 说 那 能 不 能 负 责 , 那 全 部 加 起 来 , 去 年 你 说 整 年 有 $7,000 左 右 , 那 加 上 第 一 个 季 度 有 $3,000 左 右 , 那 是 不 是 目 前 来 说 一 共 交 付 了 $10,000 , 能 这 样 理 解 吗 ?

Hu Xiaoming
Chairman of the Board, Kandi Technologies Group

应 该 差 不 多 吧 。

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

Yeah, more or less, there will be aggregate of 10,000 pieces of the golf cart sold by the end of.

Hu Xiaoming
Chairman of the Board, Kandi Technologies Group

这 个 3,000 台 是 中 国 出 去 3,000 台 , 就 是 那 边 , 应 该 也 差 不 了 多 少 。

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

More or less, yeah, you're correct.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

Okay, well obviously so that's how many that will be at least transferred to SC or you expect that's how many that will actually be sold to the end user?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

他 说 你 讲 了 3,000 辆 出 来 , 那 你 , 你 也 就 是 , 认 为 这 3,000 辆 能 够 最 后 交 付 到 , 客 户 的 手 上 吗 ? 还 是 仅 仅 是 只是 运 到 美 国 来 。

Hu Xiaoming
Chairman of the Board, Kandi Technologies Group

因 为 年 底 他 就 是 不 是 在 那 个 12 月 份 陆 续 的 , 我 们 现 在 不 是 陆 续 大 概 在 路 上 都 有 几 千 , 3,000 台 左 右 , 他 陆 陆 续 续 到 , 那 么 现 在 交 到 用 户 头 上 , 大 概 应 该 在 10,000 台 左 右 差 不 多 了 。

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

You are correct. By the end of the Q1 of this year, roughly aggregate of 10,000 pieces of the golf cart will be delivered to our external customers.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

What about for the full year? Do you think could you give us any type of what your target goal right now based on what you see on the horizon?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

他 说 根 据 你 现 在 看 到 的 , 潜 在 的 这 些 , 合 约 , 还 有 市 场 的 潜 力 , 那 你 觉 得 2023 年 整 一 年 你 期 望 能 达 到 一 个 什 么 样 的 高 尔 夫 销 售 数 据 呢 ?

Hu Xiaoming
Chairman of the Board, Kandi Technologies Group

在 两 万 五 千 辆 左 右 吧 。 今 年 我 们 会 直 接 就 是 跟 low-- 跟 那 个 Lowe's 已 经 , 呃 , 有 比 较 好 的 合 作 , 呃 , 品 牌 会 直 接 在 Lowe's 里 面 卖 , 我 们 今 年 估 计 高 尔 夫 就 做 到 两 万 到 两 万 五 左 右 吧 。

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

对. 两 万 到 两 万 五. For the fiscal year 2023, we expect the sales during this year roughly 20,000-25,000 pieces of the golf cart to be sold in the U.S. market. Because we have more in-depth discussion and cooperation with Lowe's directly, so that can facilitate the sales to jump up in this year. For your answer, you know there will be 20,000-25,000 pieces of the golf cart to be sold in this year.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

That's great. That's an incredible number that will put you probably as either number two or three in golf cart sales in the United States in your second year. That's great news, I guess, for us. How at one point in time is the actual sale booked on our books? Like you've delivered stuff to SC that hasn't if it hasn't been brought out to the end user, I guess it doesn't book then. This quarter, even though 10,000 were effectively done and shipped, I guess, up till the end of last year, you only booked 7,000 of it. What point does that actually happen?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

他 想 知 道 就 是 我 们 这 个 在 会 计 上 面 是 怎 么 来 记 录 这 些 销 售 的. 那 我 猜 想 你 的 这 个 , 车 到 了 美 国 , 然 后 呢 , 还 要 卖 到 用 户 的 终 端 , 那 就 是 是 不 是 可 能 只 有 七 千 辆 记 到 , 记 在 我 们 的 , 记 到 我 们 的 这 个 账 上 , 那 你 具 体 我 们 是 怎 么 去 就 是 来 体 现 我 们 的 销 售 收 入 在 我 们 账 本 上 , 是 在 哪 个 点 开 始 计 入 到 我 们 的 , 账 本 里 面.

Hu Xiaoming
Chairman of the Board, Kandi Technologies Group

这 个 是 这 样 , 作 为 海 南 工 厂 , 它 是 中 国 出 去 , 它 就 算 销 售 , 但 是 我 们 在 最 终 的 财 务 报 表 是 以 美 国 SC 公 司 收 到 的 为 准 。也 就 是 说 美 国 SC 公 司 销 了 多 少 , 多 少 , 那 就 是 多 少 。

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

Yeah, our sales is recorded on the consolidated financial statements based on the sales from the SC that we made to the external customers. The revenue is recognized when our performance obligation is completed. Primarily the deliverables is complete based on the shipping terms.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

Okay, I guess what I'm saying, when the end user, it's not like plus 90 or plus 30 or plus 60, are they billed immediately? Like when you're dealing with a sort of a lag time when you're dealing with somebody as big as Lowe's?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

I don't get your question.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

Alan probably does. As far as us getting paid, are the sales...

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Oh, plus how many days we get actually paid, right?

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

Right,right。

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

他 说 我 们 是 多 少 天 , 就 是 多 少 天 之 后 , 就 是 销 售 之 后 多 少 天 之 后 能 够 获 得 , 这 个 , 客 户 端 的 这 个 付 款 呢 ?

Hu Xiaoming
Chairman of the Board, Kandi Technologies Group

呃 , 那 个 是 现 在 我 们 跟 Coleman 做 的 , 呃 , 现 在 已 经 改 成 都 是 先 付 款 , 再 发 货 的 , 但 是 我 们 在 接 跟 那 个 Lowes 做 的 话 是 六 十 天 。

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

For our current cooperation with Coleman, we actually have the advance payment from them for ourselves. As for the cooperation with Lowe's, the credit terms will be roughly six days, primarily.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

Six days? It's excellent.

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

Yes, 60 days. Right.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

Let me wrap this up over here then. Obviously the loss in the quarter was a bit surprising. Again, I'm sure it'll be clarified in the 10K because Mr. Hu's made it very clear why he didn't want to compete in the overall business of EVs is he's not gonna compete in something he's lose money at. I would have to believe that this strong addition of this new product line in the fourth quarter, there must have been something else that was written off or such. Hello?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Hello, I'm here. Yes. What's your question?

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

Did you not hear me? Just a minute, somebody was trying to call me. Okay, let me try this again. Mr. Hu's made it very clear that he does not like to get in a business that he loses money in. That's why he even though he's a big first mover in the industry, in EV industry, he's decided to look for other sources for the time being. The fact we took this sizable loss in the fourth quarter leads me to believe there must have been some sort of special write down or something that caused it. We haven't seen the 10K yet, because normally you get it out before the call starts. I'm going to ask that as a question: Why did we take such a big loss in the fourth quarter on this new product line?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

OK。 他 说 , 呃 , 由 于 我 们 的 电 话 会 议 之 前 , 呃 , 没 有 看 到 我 们 的 10K 哈 , 所 以 我 , 我 想 问 这 个 问 题 。 他 说 我 也 理 解 胡 总 不 想 在 这 个 电 动 车 的 行 业 里 面 拼 亏 , 所 以 呢 , 我 们 啊 研 发 出 , 呃 , 呃 , 研 发 就 是 创 新 了 , 嗯 , 步 入 到 , 啊 , 纯 , 呃 , 纯 高 尔 夫 车 这 个 领 域 。 那 在 我 们 第 四 个 季 度 是 这 个 销 售 是 相 当 好 的 , 那 , 呃 , 为 什 么 在 第 四 季 我 们 还 是 有 这 么 大 一 个 亏 损 呢 ?

Hu Xiaoming
Chairman of the Board, Kandi Technologies Group

亏 损 应 该 是 全 年 的 , 因 为 我 们 上 半 年 根 本 就 还 是 在 转 型 阶 段 嘛 。 就 靠 这 个 , 因 为 我 们 的 折 旧 啊 和 什 么 财 务 费 用 啊 还 是 比 较 大 的 , 就 靠 这 一 个 车 。 那 随 着 这 个 我 们 调 整 到 位 , 多 车 型 推 出 , 会 改 变 这 个 现 状 。 就 是 说 高 尔 夫 球 车 年 底 是 卖 得 比 较 好 了 , 但 是 这 个 还 是 承 担 不 了 那 么 多 费 用 的 呀 。

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

Yeah, actually, if you look at our financial statements, you know, for the last three quarters, we have roughly, you know, $3 million the net loss. The net loss, we have the whole year is roughly $12.8 million. That's the trend for the pretty much the whole year. Even though our sales for the golf cart is doing pretty well, we have some adjustment like, you know, for example, some impairment and some other items that we incurred for this year. We no longer have the gain from the self equity, or the sale from other fixed assets for this year. That's why we have such the net loss incurred for the whole year. Of course you can refer to our…

Hu Xiaoming
Chairman of the Board, Kandi Technologies Group

另 外 还 有 那 个 2 年 这 个 封 城, 老 是 疫 情 封 城, 起 码 有 好 像 1/5 的 时 间 是 不 能 生 产 的, 所 以 亏 损 就 更 加 那 个 了, 负 担 就 更 重 了.

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

Yeah, plus you may consider, you know, the shutdown of China especially, you know, November, December, there's the high peak of the COVID infection in the China market. That's why, you know, that has some impact to our operation as well. I believe that's over, so it'll be better upcoming.

Arthur Porcari
Senior Consultant, Corporate Strategies

That's right. Okay. Well, anyway, it's great to hear about the 22,000-25,000 units expected for this year. I'd say that's quite a number in this industry, and a good job by all that managed to get that done, so

Next year we have the same annual meeting. I think it will be a lot different picture for everyone. Thank you very much. Appreciate the hard work and I'll pass from here on.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Thank you. 他 说 非 常 的 开 心 听 到 我 们 公 司 2023 年 能 够 达 到 20,000-25,000, 25,000 的 高 夫 求 售 销 售 。 他 说 这 个 相 信 今 年 会 有 个 不 同 的 前 景 。 如 果 今 年 开 全 年 的 股 东 大 会 应 该 是 不 一 样 的 。 他 说 我 的 问 题 就 到 这 。

Operator

Thank you, as a reminder-

Hu Xiaoming
Chairman of the Board, Kandi Technologies Group

还 有 人 吗 ?

Operator

Oh sorry, please go ahead.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

yes we have time for one more question.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Francis Forte, a private investor. Your line is now live.

Francis Forte
Shareholder, Private Investor

Thank you. I would like to know the current status of each of them. The first one is the strategic agreement with State Grid EV Service Company to cooperate on Cubex on battery exchange. The second one is the agreement with CITIC Securities to initiate the process of doing an IPO on the Kandi Smart Battery Swap Subsidiary Company on the STAR Market. What is the status now of both of those agreements, please?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

thank you for your question. 他 这 个 问 题 是 关 于 我 们 在 2022 年 签 订 的 两 个 合 约. 第 一 个 呢, 是 跟 就 是 国 家 电 网 签 订 来 合 作 做 关 于 换 电 技 术 的. 另 外 一 个 呢, 是 跟 中 信 签 订 有 关 我 们 的 电 池 分 公 司 要 进 行 IPO 的 这 个 这 则 新 闻, 这 个 两 个 合 约 的 现 在 的 进 展 是 怎 么 样 的.

Hu Xiaoming
Chairman of the Board, Kandi Technologies Group

这 一 块 呢, 主 要 是 那 个 中 国 电 动 汽 车 现 在 竞 争 还 是 比 较 恶 劣, 大 家 这 些 头 部 企 业, 你 让 那 个 几 个 大 的 公 司 都 在 拼 亏, 每 一 年 CNY 几十亿 的 亏. 这 就 影 响 到 我 们 这 个 项 目 的 推 进. 现 在 我 们 还 是 小 量 的 跟 进, 等 这 个 电 动 车 市 场 能 够 回 归 到 正 轨 以 后, 我 们 再 发 力, 我 们 改 变 了 这 些, 这 个 策 略. 这 一 块 进 展, 就 是 我 们 已 经 压 下 来, 是 小 量 的 投 入, 跟 着, 但 是 没 有 去 大 搞, 因 为 我 们 亏 不 起.

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

For the current the market for the EV market in China, certain electric vehicle companies they have seized the market shares at that huge loss expense. Our company think that as long as the market has not reached the state of the healthy and orderly development is not too wise to participate in this kind of competition with our own financial cost. That's why we try to just you know, wait and see until the condition in the economic become for the EV market becomes more healthy. That's why we try to little bit hold up for our cooperation with the State Grid company.

Francis Forte
Shareholder, Private Investor

OK, the State Grid agreement is on hold?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

那 是 不 是 跟 国 家 电 网 这 个 合 约 现 在 是 处 于 暂 停 的 阶 段 ?

Hu Xiaoming
Chairman of the Board, Kandi Technologies Group

也 不 能 说 暂 停 , 我 们 还 是 在 做 , 但 是 我 没 有 铺 开 , 我 们 现 在 就 在 海 南 在 做 , 但 是 合 作 都 一 直 在 合 作 。

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

Yeah, well, let's put it this way. It's not really on hold per se, but it's progress slowly. Now we put primarily just focus in the market of Hainan.

Francis Forte
Shareholder, Private Investor

OK。

Hu Xiaoming
Chairman of the Board, Kandi Technologies Group

今 年 还 会 增 加 大 概 一 两 个 吧 , 一 两 个 的 这 个 这 些 城 市 来 做 吧 , 但 是 会 很 少 量 , 一 个 地 方 100 多 台 车 吧 。

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

In this coming year, we plan to have one or two more locations to be added in our battery swap process, but the amount may be not material.

Francis Forte
Shareholder, Private Investor

OK. Is CITIC investment still committed?

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

他 说 想 问 就 第 二 个 另 外 合 约 , 这 个 CITIC 对 我 们 的 投 资 是 否 依 然 是 , 也 依 然 是 愿 意 , 依 然 是 很 愿 意 的 。

Hu Xiaoming
Chairman of the Board, Kandi Technologies Group

他 们 也 一 直 在 跟 踪 嘛, 我 们 现 在 没 有 发 起 这 个 IPO 的 这 个 动 作 嘛, 就 是 因 为 我 们 电 动 车 这 一 块, 换 电 这 一 块, 把 它 缩 下 来 再 跟 踪 嘛, 所 以 这 个 因 为 我 们 的 跟 它 合 约 是 要 到 我 们 到 时 候 实 现 了 这 个 再 完 成 的, 所 以 这 一 直 是 有 效 的.

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

The agreement with CITIC is still effective at the moment. Yeah, the deal is still on.

Francis Forte
Shareholder, Private Investor

OK, very good. Thank you and congratulations on a great year.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Thank you.

Alan Lim
CFO, Kandi Technologies Group

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We've reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Kewa at this time.

Kewa Luo
Investor Relations Manager, Kandi Technologies Group

Thank you, operator. Thank you again for attending today's conference call. If you have any more questions, please feel free to contact Blueshirt or us directly via the email ir@kandigroup.com. We look forward to updating you on our next conference call. This concludes our call for today. Thank you. You may now all disconnect.

Operator

Thank you. That does include today's teleconference and webcast. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.

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