Earnings Call: Q2 2021

Aug 10, 2021

Good afternoon. Welcome to Open Lending's Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, today's conference call is being recorded. On the call today are John Flynn, Chairman and CEO and Ross Jessup, President and COO and Chuck Gell, CFO. Earlier today, the company posted its Q2 2021 earnings release to the Investor Relations website. In the release, you will find reconciliations of non GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP financial measures discussed on this call. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that this call may contain estimates and other forward looking statements that represent the company's views as of today, August 10, 2021. Open Lending disclaims any obligation to update these statements to reflect future events or circumstances. Please refer to today's earnings release and our filings with the SEC for more information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements. And now, I'll pass the call over to John for opening remarks. John? Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining us for our Open Lending's Q2 2021 earnings conference call. I'd like to start today By reviewing our Q2 highlights and the progress we've made on our growth objectives, then I'm going to turn it over to Ross And he is going to provide an update on our OEM opportunity. And then finally, Chuck is going to review our Q2 financial and our outlook for the full year 2021. Very pleased to report another record quarter at Open Lending. June Q2 of 2021, we generated record levels of certified loan volume and the momentum has continued into the Q3. Q2 2021 certified loans increased 148% year over year to 46,408 Certs. Our core credit union and bank business generated 87% certified loan growth year over year in Q2 2021. Our 2 OEMs combined have grown 136% year to date in 2021. We also reported revenue of $61,100,000 which was an increase of 177% And adjusted EBITDA of $46,100,000 which was an increase of 199% as compared to the Q2 of 2020. In addition, we signed an agreement with the 3rd insurance partner, American National, a strategic accomplishment for us. These results were driven by strong execution by our team, Signing new customers and further penetrating our existing lender customer base as well as growth of the underserved market that we target. It's a tremendous opportunity of over $250,000,000,000 worth of loans originated annually By borrowers that are classified as near prime, we've only penetrated about 1% of this massive market. Traditionally, near prime consumers, and these are consumers with FICO scores between 560699 Cannot obtain loans from prime lenders. As a result, these borrowers often get credit from subprime focused lenders that come with higher interest rates and lower approval amounts than what is appropriate for their credit score. What we do is enable lenders to make loans to consumers they would otherwise not make, deepening relationships with their existing customers and helping forge relationships with new customers. During the quarter, 22 contracts were executed with new lenders And we currently have over 380 active lenders on the platform that have generated certified loans in the past 12 months. Of the 22 signed accounts in the 2nd quarter, 7 were Tier 1 accounts classified as over $1,000,000,000 in assets And one was a large regional bank with assets over $9,000,000,000 We are focused on the Tier 1 accounts and believe they are the greatest opportunity to continue accelerating our growth. Momentum has also continued into July With 5 activations and 6 new contracts signed, with over 15 live implementations underway, In certain cases where permissible, we will announce the names of these large new customers once they've gone live on our Lenders Protection platform. Our top 10 lenders excluding OEMs have increased their certification volume by 140% year to date 2021 as compared to 2020 and 6 of them have hit an all time monthly occurred in June. During the quarter, we added 5 new credit unions and banks to the refinance program and now have over 20 financial institutions that are acting as funding sources behind these refinance channel partners. Our refinance volume was nearly 20% of our total certs in the Q2 of 2021, hitting record volume during June. As a result of our flexible business model, our refinance channel has accommodated consumers by allowing them to modify their existing terms and lower their payments. We also continue to explore third party funding sources To purchase these loans as part of our long term growth strategy, I just want to clarify that Open Lending is working with 3rd parties on this effort and we will not have any ownership or take any balance sheet risk. While the initiative is early, we are encouraged by the progress to date of these 3rd party funding institutions utilizing our lenders protection platform to underwrite and decision these loans. As you know, we provide a tremendous value to our lending partners as well as our insurance carrier partners. We provide a consistent flow of unique and profitable business And the product is a completely turnkey operation for the carrier. The returns generated for the insurer, We believe are well in excess of other lines of businesses due to the high underwriting profitability and the low capital charges. I mentioned earlier, we recently announced that we have signed a 3rd insurance partner agreement with 2 affiliates of American National Group, enabling them to be additional providers of credit default insurance policies for Open Lending's lender protection program. This has been an important strategic initiative for us and we're thrilled to be working with such a great team at American National. We do believe that there is more than enough volume to support additional insurance carriers, while continuing to deepen our valued relationships with our 3 existing carriers. So we're extremely pleased with the quarter, our progress growing our business and the value we bring to our lending and insurance partners. But we're even more proud that we can provide the underserved near prime consumer Access to a credit from a larger range of lenders with higher loan amounts, better interest rates and appropriate down payment. So with that, I'm going to turn it over to Ross to review our OEM business and our progress on that front. Ross? Thanks, John. As we have spoken previously, the OEM captive market is substantial and a major growth opportunity for us. As of today, we serve 2 OEM captives, which we expect to continue to ramp up and take advantage of more of our services. We are also in active discussions with other large scale OEMs. As previously discussed, the typical sales cycle for these partnerships take time given their scale, Well, ultimately, we believe we'll be able to penetrate a substantial portion of the $1,000,000,000 addressable OEM captive market. John mentioned the benefits we provide to lenders and insurance partners associated with the underserved consumer. We also provide these benefits to the OEM. They can facilitate new car sales by expanding credit to near prime consumers where they are not competitive today. They are also able to support core values by increasing financing availability for used vehicles. In addition, continued efforts around suspension functionality for OEMs unlock a much larger opportunity as lenders protection will be applicable to the new car market. The global chip shortage has been affecting all OEMs this year and their ability to keep up production of new cars. With the lack of new cars, OEMs are spending less on incentives than in the past. We expect this shortage to ease eventually and production levels to normalize. When this happens, car value should return to normal levels and create more inventory in our target markets. This shortage is simply creating a timing shift, but not a change to our eventual certification expectations and growth. To further expand on this, Higher vehicle pricing means higher payment to income ratios and in turn increases the required insurance and increased counter offers for near prime consumers. Accordingly, this has resulted in lower capture rates than in past quarters. Again, this is also timing and will normalize with the inventory levels return. The OEM captives also received similar benefits Other lenders realize from lenders' protection like higher yields, expanded offerings to non prime customers and risk mitigation from default insurance. They also experienced credit loss relief under CECL standards offsetting 70% to 80% of the expected losses. Additionally, by partnering with us, they increase repeat buyers and keep consumers in the captive customer ecosystem by increasing customer loyalty base. With that said, let me provide an update on OEM number 1. In the Q2 of 2021, We experienced certification growth of approximately 185% compared to Q2 of 'twenty and sequential certification growth of 33% compared to Q1 'twenty one. We are awaiting the expansion to other regions on our expanded loan terms from 72 to 75 months, But initial results have been favorable, and we expect this to be underway very soon. 75 month terms only represents 5% of their originations. As later discussed with OEM number 2, this will grow with expansion. I mentioned the chip shortage earlier. This is impacting new car volumes as well because a significant portion of their volume is new vehicles. For OEM number 2, certification loan growth was up 42% Q2 'twenty one compared to Q1 'twenty one. As a reminder, OEM number 2 was offline from April to October 2020 due to the COVID-nineteen pandemic. The chip shortage is also impacting this OEM, but we are excited our ramp is working as designed and will be a major part of our growth plan when the chips supply returns to normal levels. We expanded terms to 75 months in early April 2021 and have seen 75 month loan terms represent about 16% of their origination since April. As you know, we are in discussions with additional OEM prospects. Each of these prospect captives represents $30,000,000 to $100,000,000 in revenue opportunity for us and collectively more than $1,000,000,000 in revenue. However, I want to remind everyone these are long sales cycles and require a lot of resources and these large cabinets are juggling various projects and resources. We are actively discussing planning, scheduling and sequencing the IT projects needed to go live at 2 other large scale OEMs. Now, turning over to Chuck to discuss Q2 financials and outlook in more detail. Thanks, Ross. During the Q2 of 2021, we facilitated 46,408 certified loans compared to 18,684 certified loans in Q2 of 'twenty, A 148% increase. As John mentioned earlier, we executed 22 contracts with new customers in the quarter and have over 15 active implementations with go live dates in the next 60 to 90 days. Total revenue for the Q2 of 2021 increased 177 percent to 61,100,000 as compared to 22,100,000 in the Q2 of 2020. Profit share revenue represented $38,800,000 of total revenue, program fees were $20,600,000 And claims administration fees were $1,700,000 Now, we would like to further break down the $38,800,000 in profit share revenue in Q2 of 'twenty one. Profit share associated with new originations in the Q2 of 2021 was $27,000,000 or $5.82 per certified loan, as compared to $13,100,000 or $701 per certified loan in the Q2 of 2020. Average profit share per certified loan was $6.23 $6.19 per certified loan year to date 2021 2020 respectively. As previously disclosed, in April of 2021, We removed the vehicle value discount established as part of our underwriting changes implemented at the onset of COVID-nineteen, which had the effect of increasing insurance premiums and corresponding profit share to us during the pandemic by approximately 15% per certified loan, Primarily as a result of transitioning back to pre COVID underwriting standards, our average profit share unit economics returned to normal levels in the Q2 of 2021 that are now comparable to pre COVID profit share unit economics. However, this change in underwriting increased our closure rates by over 20%, driving record certified loan volume and improving our competitive positioning in the market. Also included in profit share revenue in Q2 of 'twenty one was $11,800,000 change in estimated revenues from certified loans originated in previous periods. As a result of the continued overall portfolio performing better than we had expected due to fewer defaults and claims and improved macroeconomic conditions. As a reminder, profit share is paid to us monthly by our insurance carrier partners from the underwriting profit associated with lenders protections risk. Under ASC 606, we recognize the estimated profit share upfront in the month the loan is certified based on our forecast of defaults, prepayments, severity, outstanding principal and premium on a loan by loan basis. In addition, we have adjustments to our contract assets due to estimation of revenue from loans originated in previous periods on a prospective basis. In our supplemental earnings slides posted on our website today, We included new slides to further explain changes in contract asset, profit share revenue and unit economic trends. We break down the change in estimates over the past 6 quarters between realized portfolio performance and prospective changes and assumptions for future periods. We would like to point out that during the last 12 months, over 80% of our positive changes in estimates under ASC 606 related to profit share revenue was due to actual realized portfolio performance. Basically, lower than projected claims and severity of losses in historical periods drove these positive changes, increasing our estimate of our contract asset, profit share revenues and in turn drive strong near term cash flows. Continued strong loan performance from a risk perspective will result in additional positive changes in our contract assets, profit share revenues and near term cash flows. We strategically shifted our channel mix in the quarter to maximize current market conditions, while profit share unit economics remain strong across all channels. As you'll recall, insurance premium pricing is dependent on risk and we constantly evaluate the best risk adjusted opportunities in the market to deploy lenders protection. For example, the refinance channel has grown to nearly 20% of total certs in Q2 of 'twenty one and exhibits high quality and predictable credit characteristics at a lower insurance premium and corresponding profit share. Our channel mix can change from quarter to quarter as we seek to capitalize on growth opportunities in the market. Now let me turn to gross profit. Gross profit was $57,000,000 in Q2 of 2021, an increase of 182%, driven primarily by 48% increase in certified loans in Q2 of 'twenty one as compared to Q2 of 'twenty, an $11,800,000 positive adjustment in Q2 of 2021 related to ASC 606. Gross margin was 93% in the Q2 of 2021 compared to 92% Q2 of 2020. Selling, general and administrative expenses were $12,100,000 in Q2 of 2021 compared to $16,300,000 in the previous year quarter. As a reminder, Q2 2020 SG and A expenses included $11,300,000 in one time transaction cost associated with the business combination in Q2 of 'twenty. Excluding these one time expenses, SG and A increased approximately $7,100,000 in Q2 of 'twenty one. The increase primarily represents costs associated with becoming a public company, such as professional and consulting services and additional employee compensation and benefits related to headcount additions to enhanced internal controls, financial reporting and compliance functions, risk, information and information technology for a public company. Operating income was $44,900,000 in Q2 2021 compared to $3,900,000 in Q2 2020. Net income for Q2 2021 was $76,000,000 compared to a net loss of $49,800,000 in the Q2 of 2020. Adjusted EBITDA for the Q2 of 2021 was $46,100,000 as compared to $15,400,000 in the Q2 of 2020. There is a reconciliation of GAAP to non GAAP financial measures that can be found in the back of our press release. We exited the quarter with 261 $1,000,000 in total assets, of which $57,100,000 was unrestricted cash and $111,900,000 was in contract assets and $68,300,000 in net deferred tax assets. We had $164,100,000 in total liabilities, of which $147,600,000 was in outstanding debt after a $25,000,000 pay down on our revolving credit facility in the Q2 of 2021. In April, we completed a follow on equity offering of 10,300,000 shares of our common stock at an offering price of $34 per share and we repurchased Approximately 613,000 shares of our common stock for 20,000,000 which was recorded to treasury stock at cost. In addition, in the quarter, we settled a long term liability of $92,400,000 under a tax receivable agreement from the merger at a discounted price of $36,900,000 or $0.40 on the dollar and recognized a one time gain on extinguishment of the TRA of $55,400,000 from the settlement. We had approximately 126,200,000 shares outstanding on June 30, 2021, And we posted an updated Q2 2021 earnings supplemental to our Investor Relations website, which includes a slide that lays out our current share count. Now moving to our guidance for 2021. Despite the potential for the reinstitution of government mandated measures to combat Another wave of COVID-nineteen, our guidance remains unchanged. Based on 2nd quarter results and trends into the Q3 of 2021, we are reaffirming previously announced guidance range is as follows: total certified loans to be between 161,200 and 6,000, which we'd like to point out is over 90% growth at the midpoint of the range over 2020. Total revenue to be between $184,000,000 $234,000,000 again over 90% growth at the midpoint of the range. Adjusted EBITDA to be between $125,000,000 $168,000,000 and adjusted operating cash flows to be between $81,000,000 $111,000,000 Now with that, we'd like to turn the call back over to the operator, and we're happy to take questions from the group. Thank you. Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. Your first question comes from Joseph Vafi with Canaccord. Please go ahead. Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Great to see the continued really, really impressive results and Really, really impressive results and the LTP looks like it's just really gaining traction in the market. So Just on OEMs number 34, I know Ross you gave us a little bit of color there. I mean clearly those guys must be seeing some of The CERT number is coming from the 2 other OEMs. And I mean, I think at this point, a lot of OEMs, the cars are pretty similar out there. And just maybe a little more color on 34 and some other guys out there Should be paying attention by now. And then maybe I'll have a quick follow-up after that. Yes, Joe. And you're right. I mean, obviously, our Success that we've had in OEM number 12 is resonating with the others and especially from a reference standpoint and all that. Our discussions are going very well. They're at the for both of them, they're at the IT level where we're working To scope out that endeavor, we definitely have senior buy in to move forward. We are just trying to figure out where that is Prioritized in the organization, we have face to face meetings going on with that, and I'm really pleased with the progress. And also just from reviewing of our policy and redlining of our agreements and all that, we're making a lot of great progress and I'm anxious to share more when at the appropriate time. But For sure, they are seeing the need for that. And the fact that our company does well With used and new, and there's certainly a benefit to the OEMs for that. And I think just the way we've been able to Maneuver around and change some of our attention to refinance to help mitigate Some of the delay has done really well for the quarter. Sure. That's great Caller, and I mean this might be a tougher question to answer, but if we were in a world where there was no chip shortage, I mean, Clearly results were great this quarter. I mean, could you kind of handicap How much you think a non chip shortage environment would have perhaps helped volumes, Maybe not in Q2, but just how much boost would a non chip shortage environment help The business do you think given its current momentum? Thanks a lot guys. Got it. I think if you're sitting there and back to normalization where You had everybody producing vehicles at full scale, and then they were having to use incentives to move metal. And the fact that we have that built in our platform and it works very, very well, they would definitely have felt I guess the urgency to move forward a little faster, but they're all struggling. They're all having meetings to our Firefighter to figure out How are they going to take the chips that they have and allocate that to the vehicles that actually are the best from a marketing standpoint? And a lot of those vehicles are the higher dollar SUVs. And so we're just excited That we're still able to grow in this environment. Our TAM is huge out there. And from the OEM perspective, we can grow within each one significantly more and definitely expand to several other OEMs over the next few years. That's great. Thanks so much, Ross. Your next question, Vincent Santic with Stephens. Hey, thanks. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions and great results. So first, I'm sure you're going to get a lot of questions about the OEMs. I'm going to ask about the non OEM side. And I was just wondering if you can kind of go further in the bank and credit Pipeline that you outlined the 15.5% of the implementations and so forth. If you can maybe help us, I know OEMs are Larger volumes, but if you could help us maybe size up when you think about the bank and credit union opportunity, like when you add a credit union or a bank, how big Is that and also you were talking about the opportunities with refi. I was wondering if you could talk about the growth you've experienced In refi versus the growth you've experienced on the purchase side? Thank you. Sure. This is John Flynn, Vincent. Yes. I think what you're going to see and I think we alluded to it a little bit in the earnings call is that the credit unions and banks We're starting to sign up that we're getting a lot of interest from. They're all what we consider to be more of the Tier 1 accounts. We're starting to get the $8,000,000,000 credit unions, some of the banks that we've just recently signed. And again, I think we'll be in a position to announce some of their names shortly. But these are banks that are in the $20,000,000,000 $30,000,000,000 asset size. And a lot of them are very interested in the turnkey operation that you just alluded to, the refinance. Yes. They don't have to go out and create a division to do indirect lending and there's access to flow of consumers That recently bought cars and got too high of an interest rate. We have some of these banks telling us that their target goals Or to do no less than 1,000 deals a month. So some of these are on that bigger size. I think you've heard us talk in the past and we've got one very large credit union that just in the past Yes, 4 months, 5 months have grown their SERP volume from 450 to 500 SERPs a month to last month doing over 2,200 And wanting to climb that to 4,000 shirts a month. So we've got a lot of traction. We've got a lot Tailwinds behind us to push this forward. Ross alluded to CECL. Yes, I think a lot of the Inbound calls that we're getting from the larger shops are related to the fact that they're all going to need to comply with CECL in 2023. And based on the KPMG webinar that we did together, they all have to have probably 13 months to 15 months of Getting ready for that. So I think we've got a lot of big things going on with the larger shops right now. And I think we're really starting to see the benefits of it. Okay, thanks. I appreciate that. Second question on the profit share. I really appreciate the detail you put into it, including how you've broken out the additional profit Recognizing on the current portfolio, on the prospective changes in assumptions, I'm wondering if you could maybe describe that in more detail because I guess even if you're going back to pre COVID levels, we're still much better than we were in 2019. So maybe if you could talk about the assumptions, And is this something where the actual cash profit share that you're recognizing above what you've already booked in the past, Is that something we should be expecting going forward? Thank you. Yes. Hey, Vince. It's Chuck. Good to talk to you. Yes. Thanks for the comment on the slide on the understanding the contract asset and profit share. Your first question around the perspective changes and assumptions, if you just kind of On Q2 of 2021, the $11,800,000 that was a change in estimate under 606, we thought it was helpful. And maybe I'll start with the realized portfolio One of the things that we wanted to make sure we were clear on and it was about a really good understanding Yes. The portfolio, we have conservatism in certain of our assumptions. We went through 100 year worldwide pandemic over the last 12 months, 18 And with the Delta variant, we're all looking at now, there's still some unknowns out there. So clearly, we have some stress built into the model And we also kind of looking out into even 'twenty two, but the portfolio has performed just exceptional from a credit perspective, lower defaults, lower claims, Which is really what's driving that change in estimate. And we thought it was really important to really educate that that's an increase of the contract asset and assets Accounts receivable and revenue and it turns to cash very quickly. So in that realized category, just that $11,800,000 for Q2, That $7,800,000 that's realized through June 30, 2021. So that's actually realized portfolio performance that will turn to cash very quickly. And then if you move to the perspective changes and assumptions, that's just really our kind of near term outlook on, yes, things are better. The portfolio has continued to perform better than expected, but we still, like I said, have a little stress built out obviously into the future When the stimulus stops, with the delta variant, the unknowns, so obviously a prudent process that we run And obviously, we're bake all of that in, work very closely with our risk team and also look at the macro assumptions that are in the model. If it's unemployment, if it's car sales, consumer confidence, obviously Manheim. So all of that's baked into the model in the process. So We felt like this color was really good and would help folks understand that the change in estimate very much matters. Okay, perfect. And that's very helpful. Thanks very much. You bet. Thank you. Next question comes from James Faucette with Morgan Stanley. Thank you very much. Sorry about the background noise here. I'm wondering if you can Qualitatively walk us through how much the effect the stimulus itself has had on the business and how we should think about That rolling off impacting your business, it seems like obviously there's good car demand and prices are high, etcetera. But wondering how for particularly the segment that you're providing insurance for could be impacted and how you're building that into your business planning? Yes, I mean, James, you said, right? How are you doing? Very good. Thanks. If you think about the stimulus and when we I'll go back to the profit share Slide that was on Slide 5 of our supplemental. When we originally COVID-nineteen hit, we obviously had a COVID That's there in the slide and none of us foresaw the government really putting the liquidity into the market And as much as they did and have. So I think that's definitely had an impact in a positive way. You can see it with our Our severity of losses are much lower than our historical averages as well as our frequency of defaults. So I think those items in the stimulus has been a positive to the environment and been very helpful to the near term consumers that We serve. So we believe that's been very positive to not only our credit and our portfolio, but also to the consumer. So I think it's had a huge impact. Yes, James, this is Ross. Samantha, just to pile on a little bit on that, the higher car values on one hand have been very Beneficial to us when it comes to what claims have come in and the lower claim severity Than what we've experienced in the past. And that's part of what we've realized is those are actually claims that have happened and our claim severity is down Significantly compared to where we modeled and have experienced in the past. So all those have been positive. Yes. And I'll jump in one more, Just kind of thinking about the portfolio and some of our comments, our portfolio is showing similar delinquency and claim trends that other lenders have seen through This timeframe, during the pandemic and due to the stimulus benefits. So we're seeing the similar benefits. Got it. And that makes sense. How about as you think about the end of stimulus then, what kind of planning or things should we anticipate? Do you think A lot of those elements will reverse themselves and how does that impact like your OEMs and credit unions in terms of their like Interest in the product and how do you adapt. So I guess that's really what we're trying to get at is like kind of what do you think happens going forward? Well, as we think about, you know, you think about our modeling and kind of as we go forward in the business, you know, we're already looking out to assume in the future that, you know, from a profit Sure. In the 606 perspective, that stimulus won't last forever and it will slow or eventually go away. So some of the severity of loss as well as the defaults as we kind of look out into the future because as you know the profit share and claims are paid monthly Even though under 606 we have to book it upfront, we monitor forward looking as well in our assumptions. So we feel like that's baked in with As it relates to car prices and used car values as well, we don't have those we take that into consideration. Those will eventually moderate as well. Yes. The one thing I'd add to that, Chuck, if you think through it and you look at that TAM of a $250,000,000,000 market, that was You're going to have a lot of consumers to Ross' point, lots of them have defaulted with higher car prices. You're going to see some people's scores fall. I think the TAM is going to grow. So when you look at the rebound throughout all the other crisis, Yes. People are going to continue to buy cars. Credit Union Banks, they haven't become geniuses overnight in underwriting Near prime loans, they just don't have the data. So I think we're always going to have that huge opportunity ahead of us to continue to Fine tune what we do and continue to have a big time to play in. I think we did $2,000,000,000 worth of loans last year Of a $250,000,000,000 market. So there's still a huge runway ahead. That's great. Thank you very much. Yes. Thank you, James. Your next question, John Hecht with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Thanks very much. Hey. Yes, this is maybe more of just some of the inquiry that Like from Vince and so forth on the, call it, the assumptions with the insurance counterparties. I guess what I'm more interested is, how what's the cadence of how you guys are thinking of the normalization of credit and the normalization Of used car prices, is this are the current assumptions in the insurance unready model reflective of getting back to Normalized levels of pricing and loss rates sometime next year or how do we think about kind of how you process that change? Yes. I think for one is the chip shortage, when is that going To get back to the normal level of to help out car production. And I think you have a variety of opinions on that. I think The majority of the folks thinks that this time next year will be, if not back to normal, certainly trending pretty close to that. It's going to be a gradual thing. It's just not happening overnight. And even if it's a balance of next year, That's what we have modeled that. We do believe that as values decrease, then our claim severity will increase. And again, like Chuck said that is all stressed and bightered into our 606 calculation. Yes. But I guess, I'm not asking for guidance in any sense, but if the normalization of pricing happens at a slower rate, then you could have some favorable readjustment in Readjustment in terms of economic value. It sounds like you're maybe being a little conservative in your forecasting? Yes, I mean clearly, I mean we are in an unusual time in all of our history, right. And so, yes, but I think If you think about pricing and supply and demand, ultimately, if you go back to the great financial crisis even, Pricing went up quickly. Obviously, there was not a lot of supply and it moderates and comes back as And the demand comes back to normal levels and so does pricing. So we feel like with all the macro that with Moody's for example and others that we follow, These trends with unemployment and some of that, that's baked in and we feel like it's the prudent way to look at it in this unusual time. But we do believe it will back to normal levels and moderate. Do you want to expand on that, David? We're doing this so we do not have a reversal, You know the assets of 606. Yes. Right. Yes. Hopefully we answered your question, John. I mean Yes. No, I get it. I appreciate that very much. And then forgive me if you talked about, but I'm wondering the variance out there and it seems like certain areas are getting disrupted. Yes. Maybe can you talk us through kind of volume trends of July August, anything noticeable there? Yes, I'll start and then John and Ross can jump in. But as John said in the prepared comments, 2nd quarter was a record quarter, June was a record quarter. That momentum has continued into July and our app volumes are very strong On lenders protection, we were very encouraged by the growth in our credit union and bank line. It was 87% year over year Q2 quarter. So really a lot of momentum in our core business as well as the OEMs growth during a difficult Time for the OEMs as the shortage gets worked through, but feel really good about where we're heading into the balance of the year from a You know, a certain perspective as well as earnings and cash and which is why we reaffirmed our guidance and feel really good about the business and the execution. Appreciate it, Carlos. Thank you very much. You bet. Thank you. Your next question comes from Sameer Kalucha with Deutsche Bank. Hi. Thanks for taking my question. So one of the things I wanted to check on was the insurer number 3. How are the volumes trending there compared with the earlier 2 that you have? And then second is Any color you can provide on the economics for the Insurer III? How do they compare with the first two? Sure. The economics are identical to the first two. That's one of the agreements we put in place as they all have to have the same economics for us, so that there's no adverse selection for us to be sending one application to one insurance carrier versus the other. And we just launched the 3rd carrier on July 1. So we're just now starting to see the volumes pick up. The beauty of it is they have no capacity issues. They're excited about underwriting as As we get to them and we've got them in the mix to make sure they're getting volumes that will keep them happy. But they're very excited about the business. Great. Thanks. And just a quick one. On the you talked about the unit economics on the profit per share. So it was a little bit lower and probably due to the mix. So is there like a long term target or like an average that you have in mind that you would Like to keep the number at, for example, last quarter 680 and this quarter is like 580. Is there a normalized target that you have? Yes. Sameer, it's Chuck. Yes, I'll answer that. One of the things if you picked up in our prepared comments, we basically removed our vehicle value discount, which was a one of our part of our Underwriting standard changes when COVID-nineteen first started and it was basically a 5% vehicle value discount that Basically increased premium 15% in the COVID time or during the pandemic. We took that off In April of this year. So in essence, we're back to the pre COVID normalized profit share in that 5.80 range. The mix and obviously it's a risk adjusted everything we do at Lenders Protection and at Open Lending and mix in profit sharing and Economics will change from quarter to quarter and vary, but that's really the biggest impact on your analysis on the quarter over quarter. Got it. Thank you. And one thing I'd point out is you probably heard in the prepared comments that we also Improved our closure rate, about lift about 20%, so which is obviously part of the record volume in search, which is very helpful. Got it. Thank you. Your next question is from Bob Napoli with William Blair. Hey, this is Adeep Choudhary on for Bob Napoli. Just one question from our end. So the company has super strong cash flow and it feels like you guys are going to continue to build cash. Could you talk a little bit about your capital allocation Priorities and in particular your full ops here on M and A? Thank you. Yes, you bet. Yes, obviously, we generated significant cash flow in our operating model. And if you think about For the quarter, just a little bit of capital uses and allocation. We bought $20,000,000 of our stock back and participated along buying shareholders As a piece of our capital allocation as well as we're very successful buying back the long term obligation out of the TRA at a significant discount, which about $37,000,000 use of cash in capital and as well we paid down a little debt. Obviously, we believe for the balance of the year we'll continue to generate Positive cash flow and as we think about uses of those that cash going forward, those are very thoughtful decisions. We work very closely with our Board and We'll keep the market and everyone up to date as we make decisions on that. But obviously, we want to maintain a very strong balance sheet and Ample cash to run and service our debt and invest in our business and our human resources and have a conservative financial policy By doing that, so basically in all of that and our philosophy is opportunistic and focus on maximizing shareholder value. Great. Thanks very much. You bet. Thank you. I would like to turn the floor over to John Flynn for closing remarks. Thank you, everybody. We really appreciate the time and effort you put into following us. We love your continued support. As you can see, we're excited about the future of the company as well as the results we put up for the 2nd quarter. And We look forward to continue to grow the company with your support. Appreciate everybody's help. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, everyone. Have a great day.