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Earnings Call: Q4 2020

Feb 25, 2021

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to LivePerson's fourth quarter 2020 earnings conference call. My name is Matt, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the prepared remarks, the management from LivePerson will conduct a question and answer session, and the conference participants will be given instructions at that time. To give everyone the opportunity to participate, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Idalia Rodriguez. Please go ahead.

Idalia Rodriguez
Investor Relations Officer, LivePerson

Thank you, Matt. Joining me on the call today is Rob LoCascio, LivePerson's Founder and CEO, and John Collins, Chief Financial Officer. Please note that during today's call, we will make forward-looking statements, which are predictions, projections, and other statements about future results. These statements are based on our current expectations and assumptions as of today and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially due to various factors, including those described in today's earnings press release and the comments made during this conference call and in 10-K, 10-Q, and other reports we file from time to time with SEC. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Also, during this call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures is included in today's earnings press release.

Both this press release and supplemental slides, which include highlights for the quarter, are available in the investor relations section of LivePerson's website. With that, I will turn the call over to Rob. Rob?

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Thanks, Idalia. Thank you for joining LivePerson's fourth quarter 2020 earnings call. We had an awesome quarter, with records across revenue, profitability, and customer wins. LivePerson delivered one of the strongest quarters in our history. Revenue for the quarter was $102.1 million, making Q4 our first $100 million quarter. Year-over-year growth for the quarter was 29%, which exceeded the high end of our guidance range and marked our third consecutive quarter of 25%+ revenue growth. For the full year, we grew revenues 26% year-over-year, exceeding our long-term growth of 25%, one year ahead of plan. A continued focus on internal automation and enhanced financial discipline also increased our operating leverage. Q4 adjusted EBITDA of $18.2 million or 18% margin exceeded the high end of our guidance range and translated to a second consecutive quarter of hitting the Rule of 40.

We ended Q4 with 10 seven-figure deals, a new record. Four of which were new logo wins. We have seen the return of momentum in new logo acquisitions, with new logo annual contract value doubling year-over-year, which is complementing our strong growth within our existing customer base. Before going deeper into the key wins of the quarter, I'd like to take a step back and share a few thoughts on what is driving our success. Four years ago, we shifted our strategy to focus on Conversational AI and automation. The rise of AI represents one of the greatest leaps forward in technology across all industries. Because of its contribution to our success and essential role in the strategies we're executing against, I'd like to unpack what AI really means to us. When we speak about AI, there are several dominant categories.

There's robotics from companies like Boston Dynamics, GPU makers like NVIDIA, and software companies like Google, Microsoft, and Amazon that make AI technology and general purpose tool sets that can be applied to things like image processing to autonomous vehicles. In simple terms, AI enables the processing of outcomes and goals at scale beyond what a single or multitude of human brains can do at any normal capacity. AI starts with having a very large set of unique data. Our data set is unequivocally one of the largest for consumer engagement interactions in the world. Analyzing that data set, which in itself we had to develop a set of powerful tools, allow us to think exponentially about what big processes and challenges can we solve that exist between a brand and its consumers.

For example, on average, 30% of conversations that happen with a telco or credit card issuer are around bill pay. Therefore, we created an AI to automate bill pay, which can deliver tens of millions of dollars in savings for a company. In order to deliver scaled automations like the bill pay example across tens of millions of transactions a month that ride on our platform, we had to do things like build our own NLU, which is a process that interprets human language in a unique setting like customer care. We had to build the tools to extract, analyze, and annotate the data to make the data rich. As we just announced yesterday, we launched AI Annotator, which takes normal contact center agents and puts them in the middle of AI automation by enabling them to enhance and tag conversational data sets.

When we take all that data, that rich data, we have the tools to create then what we call consumer experiences or what is known as chatbots. Finally, we created a world-class business messaging platform to deliver those automations to numerous endpoints. Overall, nearly 70% of our messaging conversations rely on this AI technology stack. Over the past four years, we have built a lot of intellectual capital and have filed nearly 100 patents from a team that includes some of the best data science and engineering talent in the world. Our four-year lead, unique data set, talent, intellectual property, and vision make us definitely unmatched against any competitors in the contact center space, and also against the likes of Google, Amazon, and Microsoft when it comes to conversational AI.

Volume on the Conversational Cloud skyrocketed during Black Friday and Cyber Monday, with peak conversation volume growing 200% year-over-year. Our latest global survey in September of 2020 revealed that 85% of consumers worldwide want the ability to message with brands, up from 65% the previous year, and 75% say they are more likely to make purchases if they can browse and get answers over messaging. The shift in consumer behavior is a tailwind that we expect will only intensify over the next few years, driving a shift in traditional retail shopping, web, and in-app-based e-commerce to conversational commerce. In fact, we're seeing a massive opportunity ahead with retail brands that want to use the Conversational Cloud to drive incremental sales and revenue. I'll illustrate with a few examples of our big wins in the quarter.

One of our notable new logo wins is a multi-year deal with one of the world's largest cryptocurrency exchanges, marking a strong entrance into this rapidly growing segment. Their platform hosts millions of users with billions of trades globally. As they ramp their business, the use of human agents to answer questions has become untenable. Previously, customers were using a system from one of the leading CRM providers with a focus on using email and online ticketing as a primary communications channel. The inefficiency of such a system created a ton of operational issues that created tremendous customer frustration. They became a customer because they are aligned with our vision of AI and are able to see how they can quickly ramp up automations using our tool sets like Content Manager and Conversation Builder.

Another notable win during the past quarter is a strategic multi-year, multi-million dollar agreement with William Hill Group, a global top five gaming company with millions of consumer interactions per year. LivePerson and William Hill will implement and expand the Conversational Cloud platform across the company's key brands, including William Hill and Mr Green. The deal was closed within three months with the goal of LivePerson replacing their legacy chat platform and quickly re-envisioning the consumer experience. They will take advantage of LivePerson's customer service, sales, and marketing solutions, including our highly differentiated two-way proactive messaging capabilities. With William Hill on board, three of the top global sports booking and gaming companies are now LivePerson customers. Another exciting win in Q4 was with one of the world's top COVID rapid antigen in-home testing companies.

We were introduced to this opportunity through one of our existing banking customers who was seeking a scalable testing solution to safely bring back its branch employees, and trading floor employees back to work. We developed an AI-powered conversational experience that guides an employee to take the test, then analyze the results, and then generate a health pass so the employee can go back to work with a high level of efficacy. This was a seven-figure deal secured within a record 11-day sales cycle as part of a number of offerings we have created for COVID-19, including ones around vaccinations, which we are deploying with state governments. In addition to the robust momentum in new logos, we also signed multiple expansion deals with existing customers in the last quarter.

A top five U.S. airline signed an upsell in an effort to consolidate their tech stack and add our social media capabilities to their messaging agent repertoire. This airline represents the first flagship brand to leverage our new platform's social messaging capabilities to communicate with consumers across platforms like Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. Partners continue to be a key part of our go-to-market strategy, especially around new logos in 2021. A highlight of our partnership expansion in Q4 was with IBM Global Business Services. LivePerson and IBM will work together to market and deliver an AI-based solution to clients across industries, strengthening our go-to-market reach. In fact, three of our keys in 2020 were facilitated by this partner. Infosys joined LivePerson last quarter in a first-of-its-kind 360-degree channel partnership.

We are seeing great progress. During the quarter, we developed a strong pipeline for the Conversational Cloud within Infosys' client base. We're working closely with key vertical groups within Infosys, including consumer retail and logistics, financial services, and the TMT group. Looking ahead to 2021, we'll be extending our focus to go after retail and commerce opportunities, and we'll continue to build out a number of key areas of our platform, including payments, social media, proactive messaging, and AI-based consumer intelligence and targeting capabilities. We see the potential for sales and marketing use cases more than double as brands look to enhance traditional advertising shopping experiences. Our latest estimate suggests the Conversational Cloud is already supporting approximately $5 billion in annual transactional value, and we're just getting started.

Finally, given the success of gain share and our partner network and the renewed momentum in new logo acquisitions, we're making strategic investments to continue accelerating growth from these go-to-market channels. With that, I'll turn the call over to John to provide an operational update and more color on our guidance. John?

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

Thank you, Rob. We closed 2020 with exceptional business performance, surpassing previous records across several key metrics in the fourth quarter, including revenue, profit, with a seven-figure deals, average revenue per customer, and billable platform usage. We exceeded the high end of our guidance range for the top and bottom line, once again demonstrating our ability to enhance operating leverage while aggressively growing the business. Overall, these results reinforce our position as a clear market leader for Conversational AI and demonstrate the ease with which our platform can be adapted to meet accelerating demand across a broad spectrum of use cases, industries, and geographies. Building on the latter point, the world has been undergoing a steady digital transformation for decades, but the pace of that transformation, as we've all observed, accelerated significantly in 2020, including usage of the Conversational Cloud.

The agility of our platform and developer tools enabled our largest enterprise customers to expand from saving costs and enhancing customer service experiences to generating new revenue streams from conversational commerce. In total, as Rob mentioned, we estimate that the gross value of commerce on our platform has increased from several hundred million to approximately $5 billion in 2020. With our long-term vision taking shape and significant forward momentum, I'm excited to expand on our 2020 results and plans for the year ahead. Before shifting to the fourth quarter numbers, I think it would be helpful to put our 2020 results into perspective. On the fourth quarter call one year ago, we issued guidance of 21% at the midpoint for full year 2020 revenue growth and reaffirmed our long-term plan to reach 25% in 2021.

With that context top of mind, exceptional execution by teams across the company drove 2020 full-year revenue to $367 million, or 26% year-over-year, surpassing even our long-term growth expectations one year in advance. As I alluded to a moment ago, customer expansions into conversational commerce drove the bulk of that upside. In the fourth quarter, total revenue grew 29% year-over-year to $102 million, exceeding our previously issued guidance of $98 million-$100 million, or 24%-25% year-over-year. As Rob mentioned, the fourth quarter marked our third consecutive quarter of revenue growth at 25%+ and our first quarter to exceed $100 million. Unpacking the upside there, continued momentum in new logo demand, leverage from our partner network, gain share, and over-performance by our consumer segment all contributed materially to those results.

In terms of new logos, annual contract values approximately doubled across the board on a year-over-year basis, driven by a corresponding doubling in enterprise new logo counts. The success we've had with new logos in the third and fourth quarters is strong evidence that we're seeing a resumption of normal new logo pipeline growth. The continued success of our partner strategy also merits highlighting. Partners have materially enhanced our operating leverage by multiplying our feet on the street and establishing a robust ecosystem of systems integrators. In the fourth quarter, this strategy contributed two seven-figure deals, bringing the total to 10 and breaking our previous record for seven-figure deals in a single quarter. Within total revenue, B2B, hosted software, and consumer segment all grew 29% year-over-year. Gainshare performed in line with expectations at 15% of revenue.

From a geographic perspective, U.S. revenue grew 37% year-over-year and represented 63% of total revenue. International grew 18% year-over-year and represented 37% of revenue. Significantly, we continued to build momentum in EMEA, with contract signings growing over 60% year-over-year in the fourth quarter. Average revenue per customer grew 35% year-over-year, reaching a new record of $465,000. Revenue retention continued to surpass the high end of our target range of 105%-115%. In terms of industry trends, year-over-year growth was led by retail and consumer, followed closely by financial services and technology. Retail and e-commerce, a sub-industry within retail and consumer, was also the fastest-growing in terms of billable platform usage, driven by demand for conversational commerce and the incremental revenue we generate for our customers.

Overall, billable platform usage continues to accelerate in 2021, nearing the high-water mark set during the fourth quarter seasonal peak, when volumes were up 200% year-over-year. Turning to the bottom line, fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA was $18 million or 18% margin and exceeded the midpoint of our previously issued guidance by $8 million and marked the third consecutive quarter of double-digit margin. We also operated the Rule of 40 for a second consecutive quarter. Overall, margin expansion was driven by top-line performance, increased budgetary discipline, and internal automation, which reduced hiring requirements throughout internal operations. Approximately half of the upside above our previous guidance was a function of delayed investments in R&D and go-to-market capacity that we are accelerating in early 2021. For the full year, adjusted EBITDA in 2020 was $38 million, translating to a 10% margin.

In terms of free cash flow, we improved cash burn by $98 million year-over-year, burning only $8 million for the full year. Compare that to our original plan to cut cash burn by $50 million in 2020. We also materially strengthened our balance sheet by raising $518 million in zero-interest convertible notes maturing in 2026. Turning to the full-year guidance. We closed 2020 with exciting forward momentum, giving us confidence that we'll continue to accelerate growth. Our guidance range for 2021 revenue is $458 million-$466 million, or 25%-27% year-over-year. Our guidance range for adjusted EBITDA is $33.5 million-$41.5 million, or 7%-9% margin. Note that as we guided during the third quarter call, we expected full-year margin in 2020 to be approximately 8% due to planned investments in go-to-market capacity and product development.

Those are key growth drivers. As such, we are accelerating those investments in the first quarter, and this is the key reason we expect similar margin for the full year 2021. In terms of go-to-market capacity, we are presently working to increase quota carriers from approximately 80 to 110. As for the first quarter of 2021, our guidance range for revenue is $103 million-$104 million, or 32%-33% year-over-year. Our guidance range for first quarter adjusted EBITDA is $5 million-$7 million, or 5%-7% margin. Before taking questions, I'll briefly reiterate several key factors underpinning our success in 2020 and expectations for the year ahead. Platform usage continues to accelerate, with 2021 levels already approaching the fourth quarter seasonal peak. We broke our previous record for seven-figure contract signings in a single quarter.

New logo contract values doubled year-over-year and are once again materially contributing to our growth. Our strategies to enhance operating leverage on the expense side through internal automation and on the go-to-market side through our partner network are both exceeding expectations. Perhaps most importantly, our vision for conversational commerce has taken root across the market, and we expect our platform sales and marketing capabilities to continue driving upside in 2021. Operator, we're now ready to proceed with questions. Thank you.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch- tone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. To give everyone an opportunity to participate, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question will come from Richard Baldry with Roth Capital. Please go ahead.

Richard Baldry
Analyst, Roth Capital

Thanks. Given your growth has accelerated sort of beyond and faster than you'd expected, could you talk a bit about the status of your organic growth engines? I heard the 80 grows to 110 figure for headcount, but how do you feel about how mature the group you've got in is? Do you feel like there's some catch up to do because it sort of outperformed you faster than you thought? Is there something that would sort of gate early year growth [audio distortion] .

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

[audio distortion] . We feel good about the current team. Obviously, they performed very well last year. If you remember, the year before, we did a lot of hiring of that team, and then it takes six months or so, or a little bit longer, to get them up to the capacity. The team we have is, I feel, very strong and seasoned, and now we're ready to add another group to expand because of the demand in the market. As you know, also, we have partners, so we got very focused on partners last year, and that's also showing good results, especially on the new logo side. I think we feel good about the current team. The leadership's doing a great job, and we just see this demand out there right now that we want to be able to go out and land and sell.

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

In addition, Richard, I would add that [audio distortion] in 2020. [audio distortion] more on selling and less on data entry and pipeline analysis. In addition, we have a fully automated and accurate sort of bookings prediction model that allows management to course correct early in the quarter and optimize the playbook with machine-prescribed actions that increase our win probabilities. With that machine starting to take shape, we have confidence to continue increasing in our go-to-market capacity.

Richard Baldry
Analyst, Roth Capital

Okay. Can you maybe look at the partnership side a little deeper about how that works in terms of economics, maybe, and how far the partners can take you through a sales cycle [audio distortion] is on you guys versus [audio distortion] .

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

Yeah. In terms of the economics, we typically will have a pre-sale of credits to the partner that the partner receives at a discount. They resell those to their installed base. In terms of the latter question on who does most of the work up front, [audio distortion] most of our PS [audio distortion] where we have a well-established playbook, into the hands of our partners. Right now there's a healthy balance of LivePerson helping with implementation and the partners running with that themselves. Our goal is for the partners to be fully self-service on our platform in order to serve those end customers.

Richard Baldry
Analyst, Roth Capital

Great. Thanks, and congrats on a great close to the year.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Thanks, Rich.

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

Thanks.

Operator

Our next question will come from Zach Cummins with B. Riley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 15

Hi. This is Danny on for Zach. I was wondering if you guys could comment on any changes you've seen in the messaging landscape, especially as peers like Zendesk are investing into channel. I know you guys mentioned that you guys started investing pretty early on. I was wondering if you could comment on the competitive environment.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Yeah. We pioneered the business messaging platform. It was four years ago, we released it. The pure messaging platform is the best in the world. The AI capabilities, as I explained, because as you scale conversations, what the customers want is automation. If a lot of them are treating messaging as a channel, and yet the majority of the interactions they have, for instance, on this cryptocurrency exchange, one of the largest in the world, they actually use that one. We're replacing it because they're predominantly strong with ticketing and email, and then they've added messaging capabilities. If you look at a customer like that has millions and millions of conversations they need to power, they can't power them with humans doing messaging and some base-level automation.

They want to create an asynchronous communication strategy with messaging, but they want all the power to automate those conversations at scale. That's really what the business, and that's where we continue to be unmatched because our data set and then all the IP now we have on that side, and we continue to invest tens of millions of dollars into it every year. We've got a strong leadership position right now there. I expect a lot more to come in. Messaging is hot. We knew that years ago when we went into the business, and we made a big bet, but now it's hot, and there's a lot of people entering. It's mostly, I see small business, mid-market stuff, SMS. Doing the real scaled automation where the real money is, we are owning that area right now.

Speaker 15

Got it. Thank you. I was wondering if you could speak about some of the opportunities that you're seeing outside your core verticals.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Yeah. It's really interesting. The focus, I mentioned in the remarks that retail, sales, and marketing is where we're going this year. We definitely have laid a lot of ground in the care operations, and we will continue doing that. We are seeing a lot of opportunity in the retail area. Retail has definitely transformed because of the changes in, obviously, stores and stuff like that. There's just a real focus on digital, and we have one of the biggest jewelry companies in the world, and they're doing amazing things. I saw their CEO on Cramer last quarter and talk about how their whole online business is booming, and we're powering that. We see a lot of opportunity on the retail side. I talked about we have the gaming side, even this cryptocurrency exchange, one of the largest COVID testing in-home.

One of our customers at one of the largest banks came to us and said, "We want to get our branch employees back to work." They were doing PCR tests, which are slow, take three days to get. They wanted in-home antigen tests, but they needed an AI that the employee could be in their home, open up the mobile device, be instructed how to take the test with high efficacy, get a result, report that result, and then get a health pass. We built all the connected tissue for that, and that launched last week. We're seeing, we're bringing branch employees back to work. There's all these cool things going on right now that we can power because it's really AI and automation. Some of it's messaging, but it's really around all these different things. It's interesting.

This year is going to be interesting, especially on the retail side.

Speaker 15

Got it. Thanks for the color, and congrats on the quarter.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Thank you very much.

Operator

Our next question will come from Arjun Bhatia with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Speaker 17

Hi, this is Chris on for Arjun. Congrats on the quarter.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Thank you.

Speaker 17

I was wondering if you could share a little bit about some of the early success you may have seen with rolling out the payments offering. If you can give any color on when we might expect to see that layer into revenue. Thanks.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

We're seeing some good usage of the platform right now. We have not given any beacon of how that's impacting the revenues this year. There will be some of that. I think next quarter, we'll talk a little bit more about it and give some examples, because we're seeing some good usage of the platform. Our whole strategy around commerce starts with payments and the ability to take payments, and that's why going after these retail opportunities and conversational commerce opportunities this year is predicated on that platform. As we, once again, sign more and more of those types of customers, we'll talk about how the payment platform is driving that, but we feel really good about it.

Speaker 17

Awesome. Thank you. I just wanted to check in, see if you could offer some color around where you stand on migrating customers to CPI contracts, and if you've experienced any pushback on that so far.

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

Hey, Arjun, or Chris. No pushback in that front. We migrated about 15% of the base in 2020, which was ahead of what we expected, and we have about 2/3 up for renewal in that respect in 2021.

Speaker 17

Awesome. Thank you, and congrats again on the quarter.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Thanks a lot .

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question will come from Mohit Gogia with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Mohit Gogia
Analyst, Barclays

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. I'll offer my congrats on a really strong end to the year here. My question is on the land and expand motion. It's great to see that the new logo adds or sort of like, I think it was mentioned that it's back to pre-pandemic levels, and obviously the new logo ACV doubling again is quite a good parameter. My question was on the expansion rate. I think you have been coming ahead of your target range here for the last few quarters, right? If we look into 2021 and beyond, I was wondering if you can talk about the sustainability here, right? Obviously, we know that COVID accelerated the secular adoption, but it just woke customers up to the reality here, right?

If you can speak to the sustainability of growing that usage, growing that expansions, and retentions among the customers, in 2021 and beyond, it would be very helpful. Then I have a follow-up question.

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

Sure. The way we see it is that the pandemic was kind of a forcing function for adopting digital solutions. Because, as we've discussed, automation is so key to powering those digital solutions at scale, it really is very sticky. In a post-pandemic world or years from now, when you've built a machine to solve a problem for a customer or a brand, and it does so effectively at a high level of customer satisfaction, you're not gonna revert and put that problem back into the hands of human labor, which is more expensive and less efficient for that problem that you've solved. From that standpoint, our automation, our increased usage is highly sticky.

On top of that, I would say that, from a expansion perspective, at the beginning of last year, we were penetrated into our base in terms of the fraction of total conversations across voice, messaging, chat that we service on the platform, approximately 10%. Our latest estimates have that number more in the range of 15%-20%, again, on average across our entire base. That leaves a lot of room for further expansion.

Mohit Gogia
Analyst, Barclays

That's very helpful color . The second question I have is just to follow up the CPI question asked earlier. Can you give us an idea of when you migrate these customers over to the CPI contract, what's a change you see in terms of the customer spend? That's it for my questions.

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

It varies, of course, typically we see upsell. There are some where there's an initial period of lighter revenue coming off an ELA, and then as they ramp into the high end of the usage that we've contracted with them, we see better results in the form of upsell and overages. In general, these are upsells that take place. To cite an example from last year, very rapidly we converted a top bank from an ELA to a CPI contract. Within just a couple of months, we had a seven-figure upsell because of how much volume they routed to our platform and, of course, because of the CPI structure. In general, it's a very good tool for upsells.

Mohit Gogia
Analyst, Barclays

Thanks, guys.

Operator

Our next question will come from Siti Panigrahi with Mizuho. Please go ahead.

Siti Panigrahi
Analyst, Mizuho

Thank you. Congratulations. That's a great quarter. Also, I just want to dig into the guidance, very impressive guidance for 2021. You talked about ELAs converting to a CPI contract, but what are your other assumptions in terms of that when you guided 25%-27%, mainly gain share? Do you expect that to be at this 15% level? What sort of trends are you seeing on those CPI contract that coming up for renewal, in terms of growth coming from there?

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

Sure. As you pointed out, gain share is certainly part of the equation. As a variable source of revenue, we don't have as much visibility into it as we do with recurring revenue, but nonetheless, we have a large pipeline that we're chasing right now. Another core factor here are all the new use cases that have been driving revenue for us in 2020. We're expanding on those use cases in almost every industry, which again, is a major factor. Then overlaying that is commerce, conversational commerce. Our vision for that, as I said, has truly taken root in the market and the demand for our solutions, the demand that consumers have to simply have a conversation [audio distortion] in part driven by [audio distortion] .

Because of those trends, we have confidence that we'll continue to accelerate from where we were.

Siti Panigrahi
Analyst, Mizuho

Okay. On the investment side, [audio distortion].

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

I mean.

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

Oh, go ahead, Rob.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Yeah. Obviously, we've got partners. We have our direct sales quota carrying reps. We have a part of our business we've started called Marketplaces, where we are working with partners that already have a bunch of merchants, a bunch of small businesses, and we put an overlay on top of that, and we can fire up thousands of these small businesses onto [audio distortion] .

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

Sure. I would say that, as we highlighted throughout the remarks, there's certainly a focus on AI, and we're making some significant investments there. Not to get too technical, but probabilistic dialog management is an area of focus for us, as is natural language generation, which we think collectively will dramatically enhance the consumer experience and our overall automation capabilities. We're also focused on making implementation faster [audio distortion] .

Siti Panigrahi
Analyst, Mizuho

That's good. Just want to clarify also that what sort of efficiency you're seeing in terms of your initiative is on leveraging data and mainly on the back of insight? Also any kind of benefit from now that you're working from remote working permanently?

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Yeah. Us being efficient, from working from home, we're obviously not traveling and obviously that was a strategy around sales, but things have changed. You see some sales cycles have come down because you don't need to see somebody face-to-face and all that. I think we're obviously seeing a lot of efficiencies on marketing and travel and all of that. We're also just rethinking how we're selling. There's some things we're doing with video, like all of our reps are using video, and there's a lot of stuff that we're rethinking because we've got to continue having a certain level of engagement with prospects and customers. Obviously the old model, gone, of the big conferences and direct sales folks flying on planes.

Obviously I think this year it's going to be like that, and it just may be the way it is for the future. Obviously we're doing more on our platform to make it self-serviceable, that our customers can use the platform, that they don't need people to go in and sell them or implement. We can do everything remote, as we've shown, and scale the business quite nicely. Right now we're in a good place. We're going to stay like this. We're not going to go back to offices. We've given up our offices. We're in the middle of it, so we're building a new way to work, but it's definitely not back in offices.

Siti Panigrahi
Analyst, Mizuho

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question will come from Sterling Auty with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 16

Hey, guys. This is Drew on for Sterling. I was wondering if you could clarify the commentary around the $5 billion of annual transactional value. Is that the GMV equivalent moving across the platform, or what is that exactly?

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

That's correct.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Yeah.

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

GMV.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

That's correct, GMV, yeah. Yep. That's the GMV.

Speaker 16

Got it. Thank you.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Okay.

Operator

Our next question will come from Ryan MacDonald with Needham & Company. Please go ahead.

Ryan MacDonald
Analyst, Needham & Company

Yeah, good evening, gentlemen. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on an excellent quarter. Rob, I'd be curious, you mentioned how sales cycles have continued to come down. I'd love to know, do you think that's driven more by sort of increased demand in the end market or improved sales productivity, I guess, as you're looking between the mix? I noticed the success that you're seeming to have more outside of the core customer service use case. Do you feel like we're hitting an inflection point in terms of the sort of knowledge and understanding in the end market of different applications for Conversational AI? Thank you.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Yeah. On the sales cycle one, we had some very short sales cycles. It's really companies that want to do very scaled automations. I mentioned a couple of them, but that's where they come in and they're like, "I got to go." Obviously there was some COVID stuff, but we're kind of past that, and now it's just, w e go back to the cryptocurrency exchange. It's one of the biggest ones, and they're scaling massively right now, and they're suffering, and so they just got to go. They got to get the automation quickly. The messaging parts are very important as a delivery mechanism. There's definitely a maturity in thinking. I can say that. Remember, we launched four years ago, and T-Mobile's the only customer in the world when we launched that actually did business messaging, and now that's radically changed.

It's definitely in people's minds that this should be the way that a brand can communicate with their consumers, so that kind of checks that box. The next level is how are you going to do that at scale and what tools are you going to use in automations. We've gotten much better. The set of tools we have are really rich around how we can even. We just announced this whole AI Annotator that if you have agents, instead of them taking messages, they annotate data. They're like data annotators, and they can make that data and prepare it to be in a place to be automated. I think as our tool set has gotten richer. It's easier and you can do more with it. It's opened up more use cases like the antigen in-home test.

We brought that to market pretty quickly, in a matter of weeks, because we have these really robust tool sets that we put together, and then we can give a solution. That's really what's happening in the market, and I think this year there's going to be a lot of other interesting use cases as automation and AI take hold in many different industries.

Ryan MacDonald
Analyst, Needham & Company

Excellent. As a follow-up, more general housekeeping. I think, historically, as we've looked out over the past few quarters, you've talked about total deal counts and mix between new versus existing. Obviously, you saw some very strong metrics on the seven-figure deals, but could you provide the total deal counts and the mix between new and existing?

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

Yeah, I'll provide maybe some higher-level color in that regard. I think, one, while deal counts overall were down, I think it's important to take a step back and consider our broader results, right? The significant beat that we had on the top and bottom line was because of the deals that we did close. While smaller in number, those deals were far greater in value. For example, as I think we mentioned already, we closed 10 seven-figure deals in the fourth quarter, and four of those were new logos. Overall, average new logo contract value's double on a year-over-year basis. I think that's exactly the kind of trend we want to see in our new logo business and business in general. Within enterprise, however, new logo counts also double on a year-over-year basis.

We're seeing a lot of positive indicators of demand from that perspective as well as, of course, the top-line metrics that we've reported.

Ryan MacDonald
Analyst, Needham & Company

Excellent. Clearly some great momentum in the business. Congrats again.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Thank you.

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question will come from Jeff Van Rhee with Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead.

Jeff Van Rhee
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

There we go. Hey, guys. A couple from me. Maybe Rob, just to start with you, I'm curious the higher-level competitive landscape issue. As you move down market, get into smaller enterprises, at what point is a messaging capability from somebody like a Zendesk enough? Or you see some of the CCaaS guys bringing, to varying degrees, messaging. I guess the question is, at what point does the customer just say, "You know what, this is a platform?

We've got to do super innovative things here, and this has got to be very robust, and we got to go for best in breed," versus, "It's good enough if it's part of a suite." Embedded in there, obviously, because your deal size is rising, do you find yourself just seeing bigger and better win rates at the high end in these very complex deals, and the further down market you get, win rates go down or customer interest goes down?

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

No, I don't think so. As a matter of fact, we've introduced this marketplace platform that allows us to go after firing up thousands of company services. There's a company in the U.K., they're the Yellow Pages of the U.K., the largest. They have a digital property where there's tens of thousands of small businesses on there, because they've transformed to digital over the years. We built this platform to enable all those businesses to create conversational experiences with automation. This isn't a plumber taking a message. This is, I can message into that plumber, and it gives me where are they, when are they open. It gives basic information, and it's worked quite well. It goes to a live person from there. I don't see it as any different.

Obviously, it's the automation capabilities, even in the smaller businesses, they want to automate, and that's where these companies kind of fall down. Their messaging platforms, they're not that good. They're not asynchronous. They don't scale very well. You've been on this for a while, it took a long time to build that. We feel like we still have got a world-class messaging platform, and then we've got these really powerful tools on top it. We're going after that space, and we're going to expand different product features. We went after social. Some of the social guys are starting to want to get into messaging. We added the social capabilities, and we're going to continue. We have a full group on it. There, we're taking social platform business away from those guys to get it into a single platform.

All I have to do is add voice. That's the last horizon. Basically, we've got all everything else covered, except I need the voice platform. We just may head in that direction and create more of an Alexa-style voice just to bring that onto our platform, and that's something I wouldn't be surprised if you saw something like that from us, because I would like to take that volume and automate it. I really want to automate that stuff. That's kind of where we're at. That would kind of finish off the care. We got all the sales and marketing components and all that stuff.

Jeff Van Rhee
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Would that be, with respect to the voice capability, something you're in process on developing? Is that a build-buy, I guess is the question?

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

No. I think we'll talk more. I didn't put it in the prepared remarks. We're looking at different alternatives. We already obviously connect to the voice platforms that are out there. Even Amazon Connect and all that, we have integrations. I think there's more we want to do there. Obviously, our engineering team and Alex, our CPO, these are the core engineering team from Alexa. When I brought Alex on three years ago, the concept was, one day we're going to power these types of things. I think we're at a place where we want to start looking at it, and as we get more, I'll talk more about it in the future.

Jeff Van Rhee
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

That's fair. If I could just, I want to sneak a couple other quick in. The deal counts then, Rob, in that context. Obviously, great quarter, great guide, so no shadow over any of that, but the deal counts being down, how would you think they behave in 2021? Should we start to see growth in both expansions as well as new logos, total deal counts starting to pick up? How do you think about that?

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Yeah, we got very focused on the enterprise, as you know. I'd expect deal counts to go up. We don't really focus on it, per se. We focus on our overall revenue and our mix. If I take the marketplace concept, that counted as one customer, but actually there's 10,000 businesses that are now powered on our platform, but we count that as one. The way we look at the business is we look at it from what's the bookings and the revenue impact of that. We look at an overall mix. Obviously, we are still skewed towards high-end mid-market and enterprise. That's our sweet spot. It's because that's where the volume is. I think these marketplace concepts will really fire up.

It'd be interesting if we turn to reporting on the individuals businesses that are part of those marketplaces, like Yell or something else. We'll see. I feel good about where we are at the revenue mix.

Jeff Van Rhee
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Okay. Last, I guess just, can you put a little finer point on the bookings? RPOs are somewhat helpful, deferreds not so much. Nothing really tells a holistic. You talked about new contract value up 2x and deal counts up, but it's not a holistic bookings number. Can you tell us something more about the total value of bookings in the quarter? Either give us a percentage year-over-year or maybe a little more qualitative?

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

I'll take that, Jeff.

Jeff Van Rhee
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Yeah, go ahead.

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

One, I would say you're right. Like deferred is not an optimal proxy here for bookings or demand generally because of variance in contract structures and timing of invoicing and the like. We had several, I should say, large deals in the fourth quarter for which we didn't receive cash advance. That means there's a direct impact to deferred. RPO, I think, is a better metric, and we did increase 21% sequentially from that perspective. Even that, Jeff, doesn't include the benefit of Gainshare because of that whole source of revenue. When you think about it from that perspective, we have really strong indicators for the demand that we're generating and the momentum we're entering the year with.

Jeff Van Rhee
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Yeah. Great job, guys.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Thanks a lot, Jeff.

Jeff Van Rhee
Analyst, Craig-Hallum

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question will come from Brett Knoblauch with Berenberg Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Brett Knoblauch
Analyst, Berenberg Capital Markets

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just one for Rob. As you look out maybe three, four years, do you envision, I guess LivePerson being more of a conversational AI as a service provider where you have whole businesses being built on top of your AI? I think what you're doing in the fintech space is a great example with Buddybank. Do you think that is going to be a meaningful driver or development over the next three to five years? I guess, how should we think about that?

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Yeah. I would like to see one day, and this is more five years out. We plan pretty long-term, but I'd like to put something one day in people's homes that are this AI that people can trust, and they can get things processed and intents in their life. Obviously talk to it like an Alexa, but something that they actually trust and is caring. You've mentioned we're powering Bella, which is a bank, and we built that off of our platform to show how you can build this sort of compassionate, loving, and trustful AI, and we manifested it into a bank. Which also, by the way, has payments in it. If you look at bellaloves.me, as shareholders, you can see how we built this business. It's doing quite interesting things. We're learning a lot.

Yeah, I see these markets, healthcare, banking, insurance, as big market spaces for us to build a business on top of. Ultimately we have this general purpose AI that you can really get your most important intents fulfilled. I want to buy a car to I need to check my health to I want to get a loan for buy a house. The interesting thing is because we have this data, we have this extraordinary data set which is just hard to quantify to shareholders that is so powerful because we understand how humans, how people ask for questions, how they ask to get a loan. We get millions of those things around that one use case. That's where I want to go with the company. I think ultimately, I've said this before, conversational commerce will have a brand.

Amazon's got Alexa, and you got Facebook with their messaging platforms. You got Siri, you got Google Home, ultimately why can't we take a shot at it? We have this data set. We're taking our time, and we build things step by step. We have a big vision, and we raised a ton of capital. We raised $500 million because we know this is a multi-billion dollar opportunity. We didn't raise that type of capital because we think, oh, this is small, and we're going to just sign one enterprise deal at a time. Although that's important, we see something broader and bigger. As the years go on, I believe you'll start to see the fruits of all these investments. We're excited. We're definitely a leader.

We put a lot of time and energy into this over the last four years, are definitely leading in this area. We can compete with the biggies. We're hiring against Google and Facebook. Sometimes they hire against us, we're actually able to hire talent at that level because we have a great business model, we can get the best in the world, that's what makes a great company. I'm excited. After being here 25 years, I feel like we're just getting started.

Brett Knoblauch
Analyst, Berenberg Capital Markets

I also am excited. Maybe just one question for John. When you look at, I guess, your 2019 Investor Day, you guys said 2018 revenues, about 60-some percent of it, was coming from large enterprise. Could you maybe provide an update on that? I guess how should we be thinking of the mix now, given you guys have tended to gravitate towards the higher end of the spectrum?

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

Brett, we're a little above that figure now, but it's maybe 10 points above that figure, 5-10. We're still predominantly enterprise, but it's not overwhelming. We have a large base in the small business segment, which still remains about 15% of revenue, and the mid-market, which is another 15 or so. We're approaching about 70% for enterprise.

Brett Knoblauch
Analyst, Berenberg Capital Markets

Perfect. Thanks so much, guys.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Thank you.

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

Thanks, Brett.

Operator

Our next question will come from Peter Levine with Evercore. Please go ahead. Pardon me, Peter. Your line might be muted.

Peter Levine
Analyst, Evercore

Sorry about that. Great. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just one for me. Are you guys going after new buyers within an organization? Meaning, as you think about the use cases with messaging across a company, you would think it opens up more wallets here for you guys to go after. Just curious to know how much of the enterprise deals that you won in Q4 and then throughout calendar 2020 was department-driven versus like a mandate from the C-suite. I'm curious to know how that mix shift has trended these past 12 months. Thanks.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Yeah. I guess there's been some shifts. It was originally care a couple of years ago, and we were focused in those areas. We've definitely seen a shift to IT because we have this AI tool set, and they want to use the tool set to look at data, to build automations, to deploy the automations. That's the IT buyer developers sitting on our platform using that tool set. We're seeing a lot of activity there. Now, in the CMO areas, in the marketing and digital areas, we're seeing more and more opportunity in that area. This year we had a lot on just the digital heads who are running the websites and running sales. It's definitely been a mix. We're definitely putting a massive focus this year. Our plan is to get very heavy in the sales, retail, marketing use cases.

There's going to be a big push for us on the product side there. IT's become definitely a major player in our purchases because of the nature of the. It's a technology platform that they can use to do a lot around AI and automation.

Peter Levine
Analyst, Evercore

Great. Congrats on the quarter, and thanks a lot.

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

Thanks, Peter.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Thanks, Peter.

Operator

Our next question will come from Steve Enders with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Steve Enders
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Hi. Great. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to check in. I know you gave a little preview a few questions ago, but how you're thinking about the cash that you raised and potential uses of that going forward?

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Well, the interesting thing is obviously we're inquisitive. We're looking out in the world, and especially on the AI science side. Is there some technologies we would want to buy and get talent? That's definitely an area for us to look at. The voice stuff is kind of interesting. There's some interesting, like I said, more of the Alexa style of voice. Obviously, you can bleed that over into contact center. The interesting thing about voice is, not to get too deep into it, we already have an agent console. It does everything that you would need as an agent, we can put in another channel, run it with all of our AI capabilities. That's what makes voice kind of an interesting thing. There's potentially some opportunities there. Organically, there's just a lot to do. We're a very innovative company.

We have a lot of things we want to build. We keep it within reason, obviously. There's just a lot organically that we can do. There's markets we want to open. There's more technology we want to build. I think we haven't quite dialed in 100% on what we'll do with the cash, but it's in those buckets is kind of where we're looking at.

Steve Enders
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay, great. Thanks. Very helpful. Then just on the, you called out a social media win in the quarter. Just kind of wondering what was the differentiator of the LivePerson platform there that won against an incumbent in social?

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

The big thing is that we would have a lot more volume than a social media player would have in the customer. With that, they want to integrate and they want to move all of that volume into a single consumer agent experience. They have a set of agents now that may be on these social platforms, and they got a set of agents usually we're like 10 x the amount of agents on ours, and they're like, "Can you bring that over?" That's what we did. We got this big airline. There's another, a big music company, one of the digital music streaming platforms.

We're moving pretty hard into that area, and I think there's just a lot of low-hanging fruit there because a lot of those guys, they got acquired by private equity, and there wasn't a lot of innovation, and they don't have a lot of volume. We think there's an opportunity. We put real focus and product on it, and we have a team focused on it. We expect to pick up more and more of that as we go forward.

Steve Enders
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay, great. Thanks for taking my question.

Operator

Our next question will come from Ryan Koontz with Rosenblatt Securities. Please go ahead.

Ryan Koontz
Analyst, Rosenblatt Securities

Great. Thanks for the question, guys. Could you update us on your public cloud migration thoughts there with kind of sales surging? Is that a lower priority for you? How should we think about the impact of that on gross margins kind of over the medium term? Thank you.

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

Hey, Ryan. It is definitely not a lower priority. We're full steam ahead there, and in fact, some of the investment that we're making early in 2021 is related to that migration on the infrastructure side. In terms of margin, we'll have some hit to margin in the early to medium-term as a result of managing two stacks. But in .

Ryan Koontz
Analyst, Rosenblatt Securities

Yep.

John Collins
CFO, LivePerson

In, I would say once we finish the migration the end of 2021 going into 2022, we should start to see some expansion in that respect.

Ryan Koontz
Analyst, Rosenblatt Securities

Super helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question will come from Jonathan Kees with Summit Insights Group. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Kees
Analyst, Summit Insights Group

Great. Thanks for squeezing me in and taking my questions. I just have two, make them quick. Rob, you talked about at the beginning what AI means to LivePerson, and I heard what you said, and I guess you guys have made a couple impressive executive hires in Q4, including one from Amazon. He has operations and AI background. According to news reports, he canceled some of the AI projects that you guys were working on for some time. I guess, how does what you said during your prepared remarks was tweaked from before he came in, and also the stuff that he canceled, was it material in terms of the projects, the AI projects? Thanks.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

I have no clue what you're talking about.

Jonathan Kees
Analyst, Summit Insights Group

Okay.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Not to be confrontational. You're talking about Andrew Hamel.

Yeah.

Who came in, who was running a lot of AI, but I have actually, this is so interesting. I mean, I really, I don't know. He actually came aboard because we're expanding all we're doing. He was Alex's boss over at Amazon.

Jonathan Kees
Analyst, Summit Insights Group

Okay.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Jonathan Kees
Analyst, Summit Insights Group

Well, I can send you the news article that I read. I think it was from Fortune. I don't think it's fake news or anything like that.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Yeah, I would say fake. I mean, obviously, we're investing so heavy in all of that. There's nothing. It's just kind of odd. I just, yeah, you can send it to me, I'll take a look, but there's nothing in the press, nor I said, or that's just the weirdest thing I've ever heard because of all the investment we're doing. For what it's worth, that's what I.

Jonathan Kees
Analyst, Summit Insights Group

I think one of the things that was mentioned in the article was not so much decrease in investment, but just making sure it's following the ethical aspect of AI, making sure it's relying heavily on the privacy, focusing more on the natural language, which you guys talked about during your prepared remarks because there is that bias, and there's been companies out there that have said we're not going to do AI in this aspect because of the inherent problems with AI, with bias or privacy and that kind of stuff.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

I think it's a good thing to bring up. We started an organization called EqualAI, which is maybe what you're talking about. We funded it, I think, over two years ago, and Miriam Vogel, who worked under Obama in the Justice Department, is the head of that, and we're really proud of that. That's something we actually start a whole organization around it, and it's a great board of directors now who are part of that. We've always prescribed to that. Obviously, Andrew also prescribes to it, that's pretty much what maybe that's about. I didn't get the connection between that and discontinuing projects, not sure.

Jonathan Kees
Analyst, Summit Insights Group

Okay.

Operator

We have reached the end of the call today. I would like to turn the call over to Rob LoCascio for closing remarks.

Rob LoCascio
Founder and CEO, LivePerson

Yeah. Obviously the rapid changes in everything that's happened globally has really accelerated our work on the Conversational Cloud, and obviously we had an amazing 2020, and I want to thank everyone in the company who just really delivered against a tough year. In the middle of COVID, rapid changes, the amount of volume that hit our platform and keeping our platform scaling, delivering all the results and all of the implementations, it just was awesome. I'm really proud of what everyone's done. 2021, I think, is going to be a really great year for us. Just not only the continued momentum, but the vision we had four years ago, it was actually seven years ago, and we delivered the platform four years ago. We were kind of waiting for when is this thing going to really, really take off?

We can see going to 2021 the demand will continue. The connection to our vision and how we see AI in the world and how that can drive real change in businesses is happening. I'm looking forward to this year and everything we're doing, and we'll catch you on the next call. Thank you.

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.