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Earnings Call: Q4 2021

Jan 27, 2022

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Landstar System, Inc.'s year-end 2021 earnings release conference call. All lines will be in a listen-only mode until the formal question and answer session. Today's call is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. Joining us today from Landstar are Jim Gattoni, President and CEO; Fred Pensotti, Vice President and CFO; Rob Brasher, Vice President and Chief Commercial Officer; Joe Beacom, Vice President and Chief Safety and Operations Officer. Now I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Jim Gattoni. Sir, you may begin.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Thank you. Before we begin, let me read the following statement. The following is a safe harbor statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Statements made during this conference call that are not based on historical facts are forward-looking statements. During this conference call, we may make statements that contain forward-looking information that relates to Landstar's business objectives, plans, strategies, and expectations. Such information is by nature subject to uncertainties and risks, including but not limited to the operational, financial, and legal risks detailed in Landstar's Form 10-K for the 2020 fiscal year described in the section Risk Factors and other SEC filings from time to time. These risks and uncertainties could cause actual results or events to differ materially from historical results or those anticipated.

Investors should not place undue reliance on such forward-looking information, and Landstar undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking information. Landstar's fiscal year 2021 performance exceeded even our highest expectations. 2021 revenue was $6.5 billion, $2.4 billion or 58% above the 2020 fiscal year. Variable contribution exceeded prior year by 53%, and operating income was double that of 2020. During the year, 80% of the growth in variable contribution was passed to operating income, resulting in earnings per share more than doubling from $4.98 in fiscal 2020 to $9.98 in fiscal 2021. It would be an understatement to say 2021 was an outstanding year for Landstar. The year started with record financial results and each quarter grew from there.

In fact, each quarter of 2021 set a new all-time Landstar record for revenue and earnings per share for that quarterly period. Actual second and Q3 revenue and earnings per share exceeded both our initial and updated revenue and EPS guidance provided during those quarters. The 2021 Q4 was more of the same. Initial guidance updated mid-quarter to increase revenue and earnings estimates for the quarter, followed by actual Q4 results exceeding the updated guidance. The 2021 Q4 earnings per share beat of $0.06 to our updated guidance was largely due to a favorable tax rate that added $0.04 to our results. Early in 2021, there was a lot of speculation by many in the industry trying to predict a peak to truck pricing at some point during 2021.

However, that peak never materialized during the year, and in fact, December's revenue per load hauled via truck was the highest monthly revenue per load in the company's history. Overall, the company set many financial records in the 2021 Q4, ended the year with a record 11,864 trucks provided by BCOs and had a record 90,000-plus third-party carriers approved to haul Landstar freight, of which over 64,000 had hauled a Landstar load in the 180 days preceding year-end. Agents generating at least $1 million of Landstar revenue during the fiscal year climbed to 593, a 17% increase over the number of million-dollar agents in 2020. New agent revenue in fiscal year 2021 was an annual record $181 million.

As it pertains to the 2021 Q4, revenue, variable contribution, operating income, and earnings per share were all-time quarterly records. Revenue in the 2021 Q4 was a record $1.945 billion, 50% above the previous Q4 record set last year. The 2021 increase in revenue over the 2020 Q4 was driven by an increase in revenue hauled via van and unsided platform equipment of 45% and 40% respectively, which combined made up 75% of revenue in the 2021 Q4. Other truck transportation that includes primarily power only, expedited cargo, van, and straight truck increased $95 million or 61% over the 2020 Q4.

Additionally, ocean cargo, although a small percent of overall revenue, increased in the 2021 Q4 by $88 million on a 61% increase in loadings and an average rate increase of 127%. Landstar operates primarily in the spot market for U.S. truck transportation, where truck rates are generally conditioned to the balance in market demand and available truck capacity. Revenue per load hauled via van and unsided platform equipment in the 2020 Q4 each exceeded the 2020 Q4 by 20% as market dynamics strongly favored the truck provider.

As it relates to the number of loads hauled via truck, the diversity and depth and expertise among members of the company's agent family and Landstar employees enables the network to handle the needs of most shippers, whether it be drop and hook, unsided platform, heavy haul, expedited, hazmat, power only, cargo van services or straight truck. Through the efforts of our unique capacity network, the total number of loads hauled via truck exceeded the record 2020 Q4 by 22%. That increase in the 2021 Q4 over the 2020 Q4 was driven by impressive increase in number of loads hauled via van, unsided platform equipment, less than truckload and other truck transportation services by 21%, 17%, 13%, and 43% respectively.

In the 2021 Q4, each of these lines of business within our truck service offering set a new all-time quarterly record for the number of loads hauled. The number of loads hauled via truck increased 7% over the 2021 Q3, one of the highest 13-week period increases from Q3 to Q4 in Landstar history. The increase in loadings was mostly due to consumer durables, automotive and substitute line haul loads, while metals and machinery loadings were approximately flat to the 2021 Q3. however, the number of loads hauled via truck in the machinery and metals commodities in the 2021 Q4 compared to the 2020 Q4 increased 14% and 25% respectively, contributing to the 70% increase in loads hauled via unsided platform equipment. That growth is a positive sign for flatbed business heading into 2022.

Loads hauled via BCO capacity increased 6% over the 2020 Q4 on a 10% increase in the average number of BCO trucks during the 2020 Q4, also offset by lower truck BCO utilization of 3%. During the 2021 Q4, approximately 78% of loads hauled via BCO, via a BCO truck utilized a Landstar trailer, primarily in drop and hook operations. Truckloads hauled by third-party truck brokerage carriers increased 36% over the 2020 Q4 to a new quarterly record of over 400,000 loads. Ocean revenue increased 266% above the 2020 Q4. Rates, which are somewhat influenced by mix, increased 127% over the 2020 Q4, while ocean volume increased 61%.

The growth in loadings was attributed to a few new agents in 2021, plus growth within the existing agent network. Landstar's customer base continues to be highly diversified. During the 2021 Q4, revenue contributed by Landstar's top 100 customers by 2020 Q4 revenue contributed 44% of the 2020 Q4 revenue. Revenue from those top 100 accounts in the 2021 Q4 increased 33% over the 2020 Q4. Revenue of customers beyond those top 100 accounts increased 66% over the 2020 Q4. To put Landstar's lack of customer concentration in perspective, revenue from the 100th customer by revenue was only $2.8 million in the 2020 Q4. I will now pass it to Fred to comment on additional P&L metrics and a few other Q4 financial statement items. Fred?

Fred Pensotti
VP and CFO, Landstar System

All right. Thanks, Jim, and good morning, everybody. Jim covered certain information on our 2021 Q4 and full year performance. I'll cover some of the other key Q4 financial information included in the press release. Starting with the gross profit and variable contribution, this is a reminder of what we discussed last quarter. Cost of revenue has two categories, variable cost of revenue and other cost of revenue. Variable cost of revenue includes purchased transportation and agent commissions, while other costs of revenue includes numerous costs that fluctuate to differing degrees with revenue, including trailer depreciation and maintenance costs, BCO recruiting, training, and qualification costs, insurance-related expenses such as premiums paid and cost of claims for various freight transportation-related insurance policies, and other costs included in SG&A in the company's consolidated statements of income.

For example, insurance brokerage commission and other fees incurred to administer the insurance programs available to BCO independent contractors that are reissued by the company, or reinsured, excuse me, by the company. As well as costs related to our internally developed technology that directly support our revenue, as detailed in the table in our earnings release reconciling gross profit to variable contribution. In the 2021 Q4, gross profit was $209.8 million, an increase of roughly 48% compared to $141.7 million in the 2020 Q4. Gross profit margin was 10.8% of revenue in the 2021 Q4, only slightly below 10.9% gross profit margin in the same period of 2020.

Also, as a reminder, in conjunction with the definition of gross profit, we initiated the use of the term variable contribution last quarter. This is a non-GAAP financial measure to refer to the amount represented by revenue less our variable cost of revenue, which again includes purchased transportation and agent commissions, as detailed in the table I just alluded to in our earnings release. In addition, we define variable contribution margin, also a non-GAAP financial measure, as variable contribution divided by revenue. This measure has always been and continues to be an important one for us. Purchased transportation and agent commissions are the primary expenses that are 100% variable with revenue and give us a view into spot market trends in the freight transportation industry on a shipment-by-shipment basis.

In the 2021 Q4, variable contribution increased roughly 44% to $263.3 million, compared to $182.4 million in the 2020 Q4, driven by strong revenue. Our variable contribution margin was 13.5% of revenue in the 2021 Q4, compared to 14.1% in the same period last year. The decrease in variable contribution margin compared to the 2020 Q4 was entirely attributable to the mix between our BCO independent contractor capacity, as our brokerage business increased from 53% of total revenue in 2020, in the 2020 Q4, to 59% of total revenue in the 2021 Q4.

It's important to note that while our gross profit and variable contribution margin might feel some compression in times of significant growth where excess volumes are handled disproportionately by brokerage capacity, we still benefit significantly in terms of additional accretive earnings growth and cash flow. In my view, that's a good trade-off. Last point I'll make on these margins is that the year-over-year growth rate and margin performance of gross profit exceeded that of variable contribution due to the ability of the Landstar model to leverage the most of semi-variable costs I described earlier that are included in gross profit. Moving on to our costs. Other operating costs were $9.4 million in the 2021 Q4, compared to $7.4 million in 2020.

This increase was primarily due to increased trailing equipment costs, increased BCO recruiting and qualification costs, and an increased provision for contractor bad debts. Insurance and claims costs were $30.3 million in the 2021 Q4, compared to $21.2 million in 2020. Total insurance and claims costs was 4.2% of BCO revenue in the 2021 period and 3.8% of BCO revenue in the 2020 period. The increase in insurance and claims as compared to 2020 was primarily due to increased severity of current year claims during the 2021 period and increased unfavorable development of prior year claims. Selling, general, and administrative costs were $62.6 million in the 2021 Q4, compared to $42.9 million in 2020.

As we discussed last quarter, the majority of the increase is related to our variable cost cash incentive compensation plan and stock-based compensation arrangement, driven by a record-setting financial performance this year. Wage and benefit pressure also contributed to the increase, partially offset by a decreased provision for customer bad debt. In the 2021 Q4, stock compensation expense was $8.8 million, and the provision for incentive compensation was $8 million. In the 2020 Q4, stock compensation expense was $1.9 million, and the provision for incentive compensation was $1.7 million. Depreciation and amortization was $13.1 million in the 2021 Q4, compared to $11.6 million in 2020. This increase was primarily due to increased depreciation on technology tools resulting from the recent deployment of new and upgraded applications for use by agents and capacity.

Our effective income tax rate was 23.3% in the 2021 Q4, compared to 22% in 2020. The effective income tax rate was favorably impacted in both periods by resolution of certain tax items and tax benefits resulting from equity compensation arrangements. Looking at our balance sheet, we ended the quarter with cash and short-term investments of $251 million. Cash flow from operations for 2021 was $277 million, and cash capital expenditures were $23 million. In 2021, we returned $235 million to shareholders through a combination of regular dividends of $35 million, share repurchases of $123 million, and a special dividend of $77 million paid in January of 2021.

After an increase in our authorization by our board of directors in December of 2021, we now have 3 million shares available for purchase under the company stock purchase programs. Since we're on the topic of returning capital to shareholders, I want to be clear that returning capital is important, but investing in our business is just as, if not more important for the long-term health of our company. These investments relate to our people, our agents, and our capacity, which we refer to collectively as our network, as well as our technology ecosystem. They will continue to grow as we support a business that is much larger today than it has ever been, and that is operating in an increasingly competitive environment, requiring continuous improvements to our systems and processes.

With that, I'd like to thank you all for joining us today, and we'll now turn it back over to Jim.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Thanks, Fred. The environment continues to be strong as ever. Typically, the Q1 of any year is seasonally softer than the preceding Q4. I expect that to be no different in 2022, although at these levels, we expect a record Q1 performance. As such, I expect revenue per load on loads hauled via truck to be flat to down 3% compared to the recently completed 2021 Q4. I expect the number of loads hauled via truck to be 8%-10% below our record-setting truckload count of the 2021 Q4. Based on those expectations, revenue guidance for the 2022 Q1 is estimated at a range of $1.7 -$1.75 billion.

Based on that level of revenue, I expect earnings per share to be in a range of $2.70-$2.80 per share. Assuming we achieve revenue guidance, revenue would easily be a record for any Q1, 32%-36% higher than our record 2021 Q1 revenue. Also, assuming we achieve our earnings per share guidance in the 2022 Q1, earnings per share would exceed the record 2021 Q1 earnings per share by 34%-39%. Although it's way too early to predict operating conditions for fiscal 2022, operating conditions that led to our record-breaking year have so far carried through the first few weeks of January.

As demand for van capacity as well as other truck services remain robust throughout the 2021 Q4, we experienced our strongest quarter of the year with respect to the demand for flatbed services. We also have continued to see very broad-based demand for our services across industry sectors. We begin the year with a record number of trucks provided by BCOs, a record number of approved carriers, and an unparalleled network of independent agents ready to meet and exceed the needs of our customers. Landstar is very well-positioned heading into 2022. Landstar's network of small and large business owners provide the expertise to satisfy shipper demand in almost every sector and every geography region in North America, sourcing capacity of varying equipment types while Landstar provides the tools, financial support, and capacity network to empower their success.

The strength and resiliency of the model proves itself over and over again. 2021 was no exception. As a final note before we turn to questions, I want to take this opportunity to recognize and thank all of our Landstar employees, agents, BCOs, and other capacity providers for an incredible performance in 2021 as we now look forward to all we can accomplish together in 2022. With that, we will open to questions.

Operator

Thank you very much, sir. At this time, we will begin the question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your touchtone phone. Once again, that is star one to ask a question. To cancel your request, please press star two. Our first question is coming from the line of Todd Fowler of KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Todd Fowler
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Great. Good morning.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Good morning.

Todd Fowler
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Thanks for taking the question.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Yeah.

Todd Fowler
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Jim, to follow up on your comments there about you know looking out into 2022, and certainly understand that there's a lot of you know moving parts at this point. You know, you've shared in the past kind of your thoughts and kind of how the years can progress, and it sounds like that you're comfortable starting off you know pretty strong here in the Q1. You know, what would your expectations be? I mean, would you expect to follow normal seasonal trends off of one Q, or do you expect things to kind of tail off as we get into the back half of the year?

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

You know my position.

Todd Fowler
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

I do.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

...on optimism and pessimism, right? I'm always. Look, we all thought after coming out of March, we're at peak, we thought coming out of June we're at peak, coming out of September we thought we're at peak and we're going to slow down in the Q4. Here I am sitting here going to tell you the same story because that's who I am, right? I think eventually we're going to see that, the , you know, shippers start to lock up long-term contracts, right? We shift a little bit from spot to contract, pulling rates down a little bit, or we see a softness in demand.

I don't think the capacity's coming back as much as, you know, we look at maybe the demand side a little bit more coming into the, you know, maybe the end of the Q2, back half. I still anticipate we're going to see some kind of transition, where spots pull back a little bit and the contract market kind of accelerates with these longer term deals as opposed to, you know, where we've been. Look, for four quarters in a row we've been saying we're going to see some kind of peak and we're going to see a conversion. My pessimism will say I just think we're in an extended cycle, and I think we're going to cycle back. The question everybody's asking is when does it happen? If it were me, I would say that we're...

You know, I don't think it's going to be dramatic, but I think you're going to see leveling off or cycling down a little bit, you know, maybe early summer. It's just based on, you know, the way things cycle over time and some of the things we're seeing. You are getting a little more inquiries on 12-month contracts as opposed to the mini bids. It's not a big deal, but that would be a sign that maybe shippers are starting to understand that these prices may be here to stay. You know, and if they do lock up 12 months, clearly they'd be a little bit lower than spot, but I, you know, I think that's what you're seeing, and some of the indications would drive me to, you know, that summertime thing.

The other thing we got, it's like, we don't give full year guidance really because the unpredictability of the spot market, and you see how it turns. But the one thing we do, you know. You talk about there's a little more predictability in our costs below the line, you know, below variable contribution. To share some of that, you know, Fred probably can give some input on what we think like below the variable contribution line.

Fred Pensotti
VP and CFO, Landstar System

Yeah. Sure, Jim. So just to give you some context, you know, you'll recall that in the Q3, for our cost structure, you'll recall in the Q3, we talked about having some tailwinds going into 2022 from our variable compensation and stock-based comp plans. I think we said specifically $35 million of tailwinds. So, you know, that's obviously part of the cost structure picture. As you might expect, there's also some headwinds going into this year. So let me just put those into maybe three broad categories. First, I think of a category being as kind of a normalization of our cost, as we hopefully are able to do things this year that we were not able to do in 2021, and for that matter, even in 2020 due to COVID.

I'll elaborate a little bit on that in a moment. The other two kind of buckets I would kind of think of is costs related to just supporting what is now a much larger business than it was even a year ago, and then investments that are going to enable our growth going forward. Let me just go through those in a bit more detail and give you some of the rough ranges for the expense lines as we report them on our P&L. First, as I mentioned, we expect to spend more on travel. This is related to COVID, as we have more events to support and recognize our agents' capacity compared to what we did in 2021, where of course our spend was quite suppressed due to COVID.

We're at least planning for a more normal year, on both the travel and events front. Second, we're continuing to make investments, in people and external services to support the growth that we've experienced over the last year, and support our strategic long-term investments in technology. That means more people to keep up with higher truck volumes, more load volumes, and more external spend, including software and services to accelerate our IT investments. You won't be surprised to hear that, you know, we experienced a fair amount of inflation last year on wages and benefits, which we haven't fully lapped as we enter 2022. Frankly, I think, and most people I think would agree with me, that that's not going away anytime soon in 2022.

Everything I just mentioned will have an impact on our SG&A costs, which are expected to run roughly $50-$55 million per quarter. Lower in the Q1 and then increasing in the Q2 due to our big agent convention in the Q2 that I think you all are probably familiar with, as well as some of the other items that I just mentioned. Just as a reminder, our SG&A costs are comprised of probably 65%-70% of that is related to compensation and benefits. Very important on the investment front, we did make investments in trailers last year to keep up with a growing number of BCO trucks.

That investment was a bit more skewed to the H2 of the year, so we have yet to lap the full depreciation impact of those acquisitions. In addition, we also plan to take additional trailer deliveries this year to replace some older trailers. A little bit of growth, but a lot of that being replacement in 2022. Unfortunately, and probably also not too surprising, we're seeing inflation on trailer prices that are, in some cases, in excess of 30% in 2022 above what we were paying in, say, early 2021. That obviously will come into play as well on our depreciation expense line this year.

Between the trailer investments and in the launch of some of the new and enhanced software tools that I was alluding to, both what we deployed last year and what we expect to deploy this year, is going to have an impact on depreciation. Our expected total depreciation expense will be in the range of $14 -$16 million per quarter. Again, similar to SG&A, a little bit lower in the Q1, and then increasing in the following quarters as we take more trailer deliveries and also put into service some of the various tools that I was just alluding to. Then on our other operating costs, those should range from between $9 -$11 million per quarter, subject to gains on the older trailer dispositions that I was just referring to.

We do expect trailer maintenance, which makes up about 75% of our other operating costs to go higher as costs of labor have gone up, as well as more, we've got more expensive tires, and parts largely related to parts shortages that we've been seeing for some time. Then our largest or second largest expense line rather is insurance and claims, second largest after SG&A, and we do expect it to trend higher this year compared to last year. Just as a reminder, about 25% of that insurance and claims expense line is made up of fixed insurance premiums, and the remainder relates to insurance claims, which are highly unpredictable just based on the nature of our business.

We typically measure insurance and claims costs as a percentage of BCO revenue, since a significant majority of the cost relates to revenue hauled by our BCO network. Just for purposes of forecasting, we're using 4.2% of forecasted BCO revenue for the full year estimate. Obviously, you know, the ultimate outcome, as you can imagine, will vary, will depend by the severity and frequency of accidents that we'll have this year, along with any changes to the BCO rates, so revenue per load, which can impact the insurance and claims as a percentage of BCO revenue compared to the 4.2% forecast that I just mentioned.

That's a not so short rundown of how we're thinking about our cost structure for 2022, but I thought it might be helpful to just take you through that. Todd, with that question, we probably only have time for one more.

Todd Fowler
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Yeah, right. I've got to turn it over at this point.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

We just really want to, you know, we always like to start the year. Like I said, those costs are a little more predictable, and just like to share that so you guys have a feel for what we're thinking about below the line. Again, unpredictability of the spot market, but we're, you know, kind of comfortable with the below the line costs a little bit. Other than, as you know, insurance is a little bit more unpredictable.

Todd Fowler
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Yeah, no, I appreciate the line of sight into what you guys know. Jim, I will ask one follow-up, and I'll turn it over. Can you speak to the shift to the percent of revenue that's coming from brokerage revenue versus BCO? Yeah, I know you're not having a problem finding capacity. You know, BCO utilization's coming down a little bit. Do you expect that to be kind of a shift here that we're going to see for the next couple of quarters and then that normalizes, or is that more of a permanent shift in the business?

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

I think if you look over time, it's been a permanent shift in the business to the extent-

Todd Fowler
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Yeah.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

I would love to add another couple thousand BCOs and just hold that, you know, 50-50 split. In reality, that's just not the way it works. All the excess freight, it's not even excess. Some of the brokerage freight is truly brokerage freight. It goes on third-party trucks. I would expect that's a continuing part of the business model, where the brokerage continues to grow and that's fine with us because there's not a lot of infrastructure costs on that third-party truck business. You know, when a third-party truck hauls a load, like insurance is a lot lower risk for us on a third-party truck than it is a BCO.

As you know, you know, we're subject to the liability in the event a BCO is in an accident, whereas we're not necessarily subject on a broker. I would expect that brokerage, truck brokerage to continue to grow as a percentage of our revenue over time.

Todd Fowler
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets

Yeah. Okay. Makes sense. Hey, thanks so much for the time, and congratulations on a really strong year.

Fred Pensotti
VP and CFO, Landstar System

Yep. Thanks, Todd.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Scott Group from Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Scott Group
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Wolfe Research

Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys.

Fred Pensotti
VP and CFO, Landstar System

Morning.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Morning.

Scott Group
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Wolfe Research

Jim, when I look at the Q1 guidance on the sequentials, looks like maybe pricing a little bit better than historical and volume sequentially maybe a little bit worse. Can you just talk about the pricing and volume environment you're seeing so far in January, if you're seeing any impact from Omicron?

Fred Pensotti
VP and CFO, Landstar System

No, you know, on the pricing side, you know, probably a little bit better 'cause January doesn't seem to be pulling back. We're four weeks into January, and the revenue per load is still pretty elevated compared to where you'd see it drop from December to January. It's seasonally a little bit better than what we're seeing. It's really that pricing is just based on what we've been seeing, and we don't expect a significant turn in the next, you know, what is it? What do we got left? Eight weeks. That's on the pricing side. On the volume side, I'll just tell you that we had a little weather disruption in January, so it was a little harder to predict. I can't tell you that the four weeks of January represented the entire quarter.

I would say that we might have been a little conservative on the volume side, to be honest with you, that 8-10 might be conservative. I think that's what you kind of implied, and I would agree that-

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Yeah, we probably maybe built in maybe a little more storms and a little more disruption than because it was based on a January run rate. Nothing unusual really. It's just Like I said, it is a guess for the next eight weeks of where we think we're going to come out based on what we're seeing in the market.

Scott Group
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Wolfe Research

Okay. The net operating margins were, I think, 55% last year. The expense guidance last question was helpful, but when you add it all up, do you think you can improve on that this year?

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

I think it's going to be very difficult to improve on that. It really all has to do with, yes, we can if we can get the, you know, the variable contribution to grow, but I think it would be a little bit difficult to grow off of that 55% that we put up this year. Now again, there's a whole bunch of factors in there, right? If we're safer in 2022 than we were, there's more chance that we can do it, you know? You need safety, you need to be safe, and we need a little bit of goose in the variable contribution to offset some of that inflation we're seeing in the costs.

Scott Group
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Wolfe Research

Okay. Just last thing, just big picture, we've never seen this magnitude of brokerage volume growth for you guys, and it seems like it's happening when asset-based guys are struggling with, or at least from a volume standpoint. I guess, how are you thinking about the sustainability of this brokerage volume growth?

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Well, I think it's, you know, we're highly diversified, so it's really market demand driven. The one thing good when the demand is like this and shippers can't find capacity, you know, it helps our agents build relationships where they haven't had relationships before. I think it's sustainable, but it really has to do with demand side. If you know, if demand side drops, the brokerage will come down as a percent of total. It's just the way the cycle works. I think it, you know, the higher highs with us, if you follow over time, you know, things dip down, but then we come out of these higher highs, and brokerage is not always, but typically the driver of the volume. I expect that to continue.

I think it's sustainable, you know, just like every other cycle and continues to elevate higher. You may get a little pullback, you know, based on what we're seeing or what we expect from a cycle side, but then it elevates again. It's highly diversified. It's across so many customers. It's really hard to speak to specific, you know, a specific customer or specific industry where it's driven from. You know, it's really a demand-driven cycle.

Scott Group
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Wolfe Research

Okay. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Yeah.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Allison Poliniak-Cusic of Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Allison Poliniak-Cusic
Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Hi, good morning.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Morning.

Allison Poliniak-Cusic
Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Want to talk to, you know, obviously the cycle's still strong, and, you know, that softening expectation continues to get pushed to the right. Assuming, you know, that there, you know, it will happen inevitably, can you talk to what your team's doing to better prepare your agents and carriers to better manage that inflection versus prior cycles? Any color there?

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Yeah, I think they live it, right? Our agents have been on for a long time. You know, we clearly add new agents every year. You can see by our $181 million new agent revenue for 2022, 2021, I'm sorry. You know, they live the cycle just like we do. We push out information as much as we can. If we start seeing the pricing and demand start to slide a little bit, we try and push it out. Some of these guys, you know, we got a lot of agents between $1 million and $2.5 million, and, you know, they're not up on...

The amount of information Landstar here as a corporate is a lot better than the information that a guy like maybe in Arkansas somewhere is running $1 million, $2 million of business. We try and push out as much information as possible, whether it's pricing, capacity, availability or stuff like that to the agent family so they can react properly in the event we see pricing starting to pull back. You know, historically, what you'd see is the agents don't necessarily react fast enough when pricing starts to pull back, and then shippers, you know, what they do is they pull the business, and they go to the lowest price. Those are the things we try and avoid.

I think we're doing a better job at that today than we were five years ago because we have a pricing tool that didn't exist before, and we automated a lot of things over the last three years to help them in making quicker decisions on some of that. You know, of course, it's showing up in our depreciation as we roll these tools out, but it's a benefit to the efficiencies of the agent family to try and react to shifts in the market dynamic.

Allison Poliniak-Cusic
Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Great. That's helpful. Then I just want to go back to the comments on capital deployment. You know, share authorization, I think you said 3 million, but it's just my, I guess, my expectation or the tone that I came away with was that's going to be less important versus the capital investments as we enter 2022. Just any color there in terms of how to think of that balance as we move through 2022?

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

No, you know, it's a cash spend thing more than it is. You know, depreciation is going to climb based on investments we made in the past, but I wouldn't say that our investments that we discussed during you know that Fred discussed are much higher than they were in 2021. It's really what's happening is on the expense side, it's starting to roll over. No, we invest where it's important, but I don't think it's going to impact our ability to give back to shareholders you know to any material degree. We're really just trying to point out the investments we made and will be making and the impact more on the you know from a you know you know depreciating a software cost over the next five years, right? Is really where we are.

The spending this year on those investments, if it's $5 million or $10 million more than it was in 2021, that's all we're talking about. We're not talking about like a $50 million spend in excess of what we've done historically. It's pretty similar year-over-year.

Allison Poliniak-Cusic
Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Great. Thanks for the color. I'll pass it along.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Bascome Majors from Susquehanna. Your line is open.

Bascome Majors
Senior Industrials Equity Research Analyst, Susquehanna International Group

Yeah, thanks for taking my questions. Bringing it back to the SG&A comments, within that $50 -$55 million a quarter that you outlined earlier, can you talk about, you know, number one, what the embedded reduction in incentive comp and including the stock comp is for the full year? Jim, does the board outlook to get to a quote target incentive comp level, does that assume the kind of 10%-15% long-term growth rate of the company, or is there something different in that because of the unique cyclical environment we're in. Thank you.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

The targets, first of all, just say, Fred, we're still sticking with that $35 million tailwind.

Fred Pensotti
VP and CFO, Landstar System

Yeah, that's right.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Our targets vary each. The bonus and the cash compensation is based on a target that is established actually in early January as a budget for 2022. That does vary based on market conditions, like if we for example have a really bad safety year in 2021, we might see improvement in that line growing our target. If we have a really safe year in 2021, we may have more insurance embedded in 2022 than we normally would have. We don't tie the 10%-15% goals. The 10%-15% is more of a long-term, it's not year-over-year.

Typically, if you look at the way we cycle, I mean, you kind of have to build that out over three to five years is what we're looking for, as opposed to a year-over-year. The cash bonus target is a one year, and we really look at what we think is going to happen in a year, to establish that, which is like a one-time bonus, is about $9 million, compared to, I believe, we had $30 million this year. It's really our target built on our expectations for 2022, which were kind of outlined from the expense side. Fred gave you those. We just, you know, don't really speak to the target we've established on the top line.

Bascome Majors
Senior Industrials Equity Research Analyst, Susquehanna International Group

You know, thanks for clarifying that. From a high level, you know, over the last five years, a couple of lines have really outgrown others, like this other truck revenue, 8%-12% of your revenue. I mean, ocean and air, 2%-5% of your revenue. Now I think people understand a lot of what's driving the ocean and air piece, but can you talk to, you know, the rate impact there versus share gain and how durable you think some of that could be? Maybe a little more information on what's happening in this other truck and the kind of business and how sticky versus cyclical that is. Thank you.

Rob Brasher
VP and Chief Commercial Officer, Landstar System

Hey, Bascome. Excuse me, this is Rob. On the ocean side, I think it's no surprise that we continue to see disruption. We continue to see ships, especially at the L.A. ports that they can't get in. The supply chain is disrupted. You've got several issues that are coming on, especially in China with the Olympics. You've got Chinese New Year going on. I think that continues. I think the rates obviously are elevated. I think they've stabilized to a point, to where they are. We saw a bit of a dip in rate just a little bit in December. It's kind of come back up through the first four weeks of this year. I think that disruption for a while is just going to hang.

It kind of goes back to Jim's opening comments as to when things start to tail off. It really kind of depends on when we shift from consumer spending to more of a products and services spending. We believe at this point in time that's mid-year. As far as the other truck transportation, we're talking substitute line haul things. A lot of that's built around consumer spending. A lot of that's built around what we do from a substitute line haul from a package piece from different retail big box retail things of that nature.

Again, we're looking at it from a consumer spending side, and as long as we have people at home, as long as we're disrupted by COVID, we kind of see that trend continuing in the manner in which it's trending. Also, to that point, from the spot side of things, you know, traditionally you're looking at a 80/20, 90/10 kind of a contractual versus spot market, and that's flipped on its head right now. Jim mentioned in his opening comments, we're kind of seeing the mini bids are still there, but I think on the contractual side of things, while I don't see those rates decreasing a whole lot, they're looking for stability, especially on the low-priced commodities. They're looking for stability in what their supply chain's going to cost.

They're looking for the tender rejections to go down. They just have no clue right now. They're looking to gain some control, I guess, over their supply chain. Did that answer, Bascome Majors, what you were looking for?

Bascome Majors
Senior Industrials Equity Research Analyst, Susquehanna International Group

Yeah. I mean, it on the substitute line haul and the other truck, so just to clarify, that business is more heavily retail and parcel than most the rest of your business. You know, to the point about spot, were you suggesting that there's more contractual sticky relationships there, or is it still fairly transactional?

Rob Brasher
VP and Chief Commercial Officer, Landstar System

No, no, I think it's more mostly transactional right now. Again, I think tender rejections continue at an all-time high. Yes, I think from what you were speaking, it is absolutely the majority of it's consumer driven.

Bascome Majors
Senior Industrials Equity Research Analyst, Susquehanna International Group

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Jack Atkins from Stephens. Your line is open.

Jack Atkins
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Stephens Inc

Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Sure, Jack.

Fred Pensotti
VP and CFO, Landstar System

Jack.

Jack Atkins
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Stephens Inc

I guess first question, you know, Jim, last week, there was a lot of press around, you know, vaccine mandates at the U.S.-Mexico border. Just sort of curious if you guys have seen any disruption from that in terms of freight flows and, you know, as you kind of think about looking forward there, is this perhaps an opportunity for some share gains, you know, given your scale and presence, you know, at within Laredo specifically?

Joe Beacom
VP and Chief Safety and Operations Officer, Landstar System

Hey, Jack, this is Joe. You know, I would have told you I thought there would be some disruption, but I talked to my guys yesterday, and we really have not seen any significant disruption with the operators that are moving that freight across the border. They've done a pretty nice job at the crossing points, I think, of communicating the need for the vaccination, and they've actually set up a lot of mobile locations for those shuttle drivers to get the vaccine. So I think it's kind of a non-issue on the southern border, at least to this point. Again, it's, we're what? About a week in or so. On the northern border, I think there were some communication

Issues with Canadian agencies kind of contradicting each other a little bit, at least that's what I've heard. I think it's a little bit different on the Canadian border, and I think it's catching some people a little bit more by surprise. While we've not seen a big drop-off in volume, there does seem to be some challenges with getting capacity on the northern border. As it would, you would think, yeah, that'll probably impact rates if it doesn't get resolved.

Jack Atkins
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Stephens Inc

Okay. Yeah.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Jack, just to put it in perspective just so you guys have a, you know, a sense of what we do. Our cross-border Mexico business was about $550 million of revenue in 2021, and cross-border Canada was about $160 million.

Jack Atkins
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Stephens Inc

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks so much for that, Jim and Joe. I guess, Rob, maybe follow-up questions for you. Could you maybe give us an update on Landstar Blue and maybe, you know, what are your expectations for that business in 2022?

Rob Brasher
VP and Chief Commercial Officer, Landstar System

Yeah. Landstar Blue continues to grow in the contractual brokerage market. We continue to add customers. We continue to put on awards. Again, I think the time is right, kind of as I spoke to the last question as to tender rejects are at all-time low. We continue to reach out and work with our customers. We continue to bring on that business and then match that with the capacity that we have available to us, as we continue to grow our capacity models.

Jack Atkins
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Stephens Inc

Okay. You would expect, just given what you were saying earlier about, you know, shifting from the spot market to the contract market, could we see some pretty, you know, meaningful growth? Could Landstar Blue be a pretty, you know, a much more significant contributor to the top line in 2022, do you think?

Rob Brasher
VP and Chief Commercial Officer, Landstar System

Yeah. In 2021, I think we put up roughly $42 million in revenues for the first year. We absolutely look for that to continue to grow. Again, capacity continues to come to us. We continue to work strategically from a contractual standpoint with our customers. I absolutely believe as we look at this business year-over-year moving forward, it will be a greater contributor.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

No, Jack, we still have a little build out to do there with the tech side. You know, we're not fully automated. We've built out. It's a separate TMS really over at Blue to handle dedicated more contract type business. But there's still a little work to do to accelerate growth there. Right now it's a little bit more manual. Over the next year or two, we should be able to automate some more of that functionality, you know, when you automate the capacity side and the customer side. It's kind of a standalone really to handle more contract business as opposed to that spot business. We need a little of that technology in place to really accelerate some growth there.

I'm not trying to discount Rob's, you know, ability to grow, but he is a little hampered until we get him the tools he needs.

Rob Brasher
VP and Chief Commercial Officer, Landstar System

Plus, I'm the positive guy in the company.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Yeah.

Rob Brasher
VP and Chief Commercial Officer, Landstar System

which doesn't go well.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Rob's the optimist. We know that.

Jack Atkins
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Stephens Inc

Well, that sounds great. Thanks so much for the time, guys. Really appreciate it.

Rob Brasher
VP and Chief Commercial Officer, Landstar System

Yeah, thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Jonathan Chappell from Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Jonathan Chappell
Senior Managing Director of Transportation Research, Evercore ISI

Good morning. Thank you for taking my call, and congrats on the quarter. I was wondering if you could give us some more color on the individual truck segments for the Q1 guidance just with regards to volume and pricing, and then how those segments have been performing in January so far.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

I think what you're seeing is more of the same from the Q4. It's all carried over. Flatbed was, you know, a record volume in the Q4, and there's still strength there. On the van side, it's, you know, more of the same. We're still seeing strong consumer durables coming across. Then on the what we call the other truck transportation, which is 70%-80% power only, is kind of where we bring in a tractor and there's a loaded trailer for us, not one of our trailers, it's a third-party trailer. You know, we're seeing consistency coming out of the Q4. I don't think there's any special thing to say we're seeing, you know, flatbeds booming or.

Although flatbed's doing really good, I think we're seeing consistency as we travel out of the December into the Q1. You know, typically you'll see a little bit of drop-off in the flatbed side due to freeze and stuff like that, and I'm not necessarily sure we're seeing that this year on the flat side. I think it's, you know, flat's still holding on pretty well.

Jonathan Chappell
Senior Managing Director of Transportation Research, Evercore ISI

Okay, great. As a follow-up, when you talk about the cycle leveling off and cycling down early summer, do you see that more as a product of additional capacity coming online or demand easing?

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

I think it's more of a shift from spot to contract and more of a maybe softening in demand. You know, my crystal ball's about as good as anybody else's. We've been guessing peak for the last four quarters. To me, it's a demand thing. I still think there's issues, even though you see some of the truck manufacturers starting to push out more trucks. I still think you got a couple little issues there. There's no resolution to the Drug and Alcohol Clearinghouse, which has got 80,000 guys on the sideline. They're talking about putting these younger drivers doing interstate, but they're required to have a driver with them.

I don't see the capacity side really turning that quickly. I think what would turn quicker is based on inflation, consumer confidence being down. It's the demand. I'm more of a demand guy here on my pessimism.

Jonathan Chappell
Senior Managing Director of Transportation Research, Evercore ISI

Okay, great. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Jordan Alliger of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Jordan Alliger
VP and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yeah. Hi. We've obviously seen, you know, big surges for everyone in ocean and air forwarding, you know, previous segments that perhaps weren't such a major focus or a major growth area. Just curious with this bigger chunk of growth in terms of revenue, is it an area that you may need to scale into more, or is it something you feel has a permanence to it once, you know, all the supply chain stuff goes away in terms of emphasis?

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

I think, well, part of the growth is actually a few new agents we put on board. That's clearly market share gain with guys who have real expertise in that area. In all, we probably have 10 agents that are experts on the ocean side. Maybe now we have 12, you know, so it's really driven by those guys. It used to be more project-driven, but I think we are doing a better job in getting more routine ocean line stuff. If we're going to grow it out of there, that's where the expertise is. I think we did a pretty good job of recruiting agents into that this year with some guys with expertise. We have a good support function of employees here and good connections.

From a long-term perspective, I, you know, I think truck is still going to dominate. We're trying to break more into ocean, there's no question, but I wouldn't expect to see accelerated growth coming out of there, like it just did. Remember, a lot of it was rate, although we did good on volume, rate, and new agents.

Fred Pensotti
VP and CFO, Landstar System

Yeah, Jordan.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Okay.

Fred Pensotti
VP and CFO, Landstar System

If you look at what we released in our earnings release, we do break out volume and rates on ocean and air cargo carriers. You know, as Jim said, rate was up almost 150%, right, compared to volume, which was also good, you know, up closer to 29%. Excuse me, 29%. Yeah, ocean air cargo. Yeah, 29%. So clearly a rate, you know, a rate-driven revenue increase. The question is, you know, how sustainable is that longer term, right? When rates going from $4,700 to almost $12,000 per load.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Mm-hmm.

Jordan Alliger
VP and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Makes sense. Then you alluded to IT and some things you may do for a particular area. I'm just curious, you know, broadly speaking, as you think about your technology, and you also mentioned there'd be some investment there versus competition overall, how do you feel you benchmark or stack up? Is there things that you need to catch up on, or is it really just more on the margin in certain products?

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Well, I don't think we need to catch up on everything. I think anything. I think we've got everything everybody else has. You know, we just don't talk about it as much. We're not, like I say, I'm not pitching my technology investments to the investment community. I'm doing it for the people who drive the business, right? You look at what we've done over the last three years, we probably. I would admit that maybe five years ago, we were a little concerned that we weren't keeping up with the app-based and cloud-based world. In the last three years, we've gone to the cloud. We've developed the information highway. We have, you know, we're using middleware to share.

Like I said, like I tell everybody, for simple minds like mine, we've gone from the concrete block to Mr. Potato Head, so we can plug and play. We've rolled out pricing tools, a visibility tool. We've automated the credit process, our trailer pool. As I said at the opening, I think about 70%-80% of the BCO freight is actually on one of our trailers, and there was a lot of manual process behind that. You know, we're a little unique in the way we do our trailers, but now it's all monitored via, you know, electronically, they can see where trailers are and stuff. That's what we're doing. There's no way I think we're behind. You know, I would say that we're probably ahead.

You know, our mobile app, we call it LandstarOne, has all the capability of anything else you'll see out there. I mean, it provides all the available loads. It provides fuel stops and stuff like that. What it is that what you're seeing is the things we've invested over the last three years. We continue to enhance them. We're adding new tools, and it's just adding a little bit to our, you know, depreciation line. Yeah, I think I'm not going to ever refer to this as cutting edge because that's not really our job. We are right in line with or above anybody else that's got the technology out there.

Jordan Alliger
VP and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Great. Thanks so much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Bruce Chan from Stifel. Your line is open.

Casey Deak
Analyst, Stifel

Hey, guys, this is Casey Deak stepping in for Bruce today.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Sure.

Casey Deak
Analyst, Stifel

How are you?

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Good.

Casey Deak
Analyst, Stifel

Great. First, I wanted to ask a little bit about the end markets. It looks like we saw some good growth, auto and industrial growth. Do you look at that or those end markets and look at that as an indication that there's some fluidity back in the supply chain, seeing some things work together a little better?

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Well, when you look at automotive, I think we're just doing a good job of penetrating into an account that isn't necessarily the one that is driven by the Big Three, right? Within that grouping, it's a little more concentrated than most of our other groups as it relates to customer base. I think that's more of a customer-driven phenomenon than an industry phenomenon. I think there's still disruption in the auto side. I think we're just doing a pretty good job with you know satisfying the request from certain customers we have out there. We can kind of speak to most of the sectors and what we think is going on at the level that's in our earnings release. Consumer durables, you talked to that one.

That's so highly diversified, you know, it's such a big part of our business, it really flows with what's going on in the consumer market, right? There's not a single customer in there that makes up more than 3% or 4% of that business. So it's really market-driven, where automotive really is more reliant on about four or five specific shippers. As I said, we're doing a pretty good job penetrating into one shipper as opposed to an overall industry. Machinery stuff, like up 43%, again, another dynamic that's just part of. I think if you go back to last year, we were talking about, you know, if consumer, if flatbed was kind of soft, right?

Because the manufacturing sector, heavy manufacturing was kind of soft in the H1 of 2021, and consumer demand was through the roof. You know, we were growing revenue, and it was all coming from van. We started talking about, well, if consumer, you know, drops off, we'll probably see flatbed start to pick up because sooner or later, manufacturing's got to come back. It's actually, that's what's going on, right? We're seeing on the machinery side and even the metal side, we're seeing some pretty growth there, but just because that environment's coming back. That's kind of what we see. Substitute line haul, we see it only grew 11%, but the thing there is the volumes actually grew.

It's just we saw it in specific business. We were counting. You know, those multi-drops was going to be one load. It was driving the rate up higher. We saw the rate drop, but it's really a condition of mix, not necessarily the rates going down there. We only grew 11%, but it was actually on a volume growth with decrease in revenue per mile, just because of the. You know, we went from, you know, having multi-drops in a long route, and then we're now doing shorter routes. You know, that's kind of what goes on. If you have any other sector stuff, food stuffs is pretty small. It's mostly highly diversified customer base within here other than the automotive, which is a little more concentrated.

Casey Deak
Analyst, Stifel

I'd say the only other sector stuff that I wanted to ask about was kind of building products looked like it grew pretty well. We heard one of the rails speak about their expectations for soft housing starts in 2022. What are your expectations there? Is there an agreement with that assessment? And what's the impact that you would expect for flatbed in the event that we had those soft housing starts this year?

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Well, if you ask me, I'm a pessimist. It's all going to go to zero. You know? No, in all honesty, look, I would say that building products thing's been relatively strong, and I would expect, you know, the housing starts or stuff like that to kind of pull it back. I think everybody's got a new roof on their house and, you know, or, you know, siding and stuff like that. So my expectation would be that you do see that's part of the slowdown in the summer, you know. Again, my crystal ball is as good as anybody's.

Casey Deak
Analyst, Stifel

Yeah. Okay. I got you guys. I just have one more for you, and I'll turn it back. We know that M&A has been lower on the kind of the capital stack for you guys, not a huge lever that you pull, but we do see some of your peers, some of your competitors making some investments in logistics, technology, and of the sort. I heard about you talking about some of the needs in Landstar Blue. Like, is that something that you consider, that you look at, that you might need for use of cash going forward here?

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Yeah. Well, absolutely, if we saw an opportunity on the tech side or the capacity side, we would look at it. We just nothing's popped right now. We do use some third-party services that actually provide some of the tools that we use over at Blue. If there was an opportunity, our eyes are open. I'm not saying we see one out there right now 'cause our technology actually is all we like the homegrown stuff that we have, and we haven't found anything that would actually be additive. But if there was something, we clearly would look at it. There's nothing on the horizon, though.

Casey Deak
Analyst, Stifel

Okay. No, that sounds great. I'll turn it back. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Stephanie Moore of Truist Securities. Your line is open.

Stephanie Moore
Director of Equity Research, Truist Securities

Hi. Good morning.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Morning.

Fred Pensotti
VP and CFO, Landstar System

Good morning.

Stephanie Moore
Director of Equity Research, Truist Securities

Most of my questions have already been answered, but you know, I did want you to kind of as a continuation of the last question, maybe you could speak a little bit about what you're seeing with existing accounts as well as growth in new accounts, you know, with new business. Are you seeing this in more of the consumer durable side or industrial? Any kind of a color there driving some of this demand and incremental growth would be helpful. Thanks.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

I think it's just across, you know, all sectors is, you know. Like, as we walk through automotive is primarily it's a handful of customers. Substitute line haul is a handful of customers. The other categories we got are very diversified. So you've got, you know, small customers coming in, like I said. I spoke to the diversity of our model. You know, our hundredth customer was only $2.8 million in the quarter. It's really hard to speak to any specific customer driving the growth, you know, so it's whether, you know, amongst the sectors that we deal with. We have customers come in and out all the time, and the thing about the model, if you think about our model, we're a little bit different.

We have about 600, you know, independent agents, and they're in market, and they're making relationships with shippers who only move one load a week, you know. We also have national accounts that move 1,000 loads a week. It's highly diversified. We've seen no shift in that. It's not like we see new customers coming in that are significant, but we also don't see new customers going out that were significant in the past. It's a lot of you know, we play a lot of small ball here, and it's a lot of you know, going out, finding those small customers and making them bigger. There's nothing specific about any additional customers that are large or lost over the last 12 months or even going forward.

Stephanie Moore
Director of Equity Research, Truist Securities

That's helpful. Thank you. Then, more of a bigger picture question about the growth of EVs and EV trucks and even before that, some of the increased regulations around emissions or, you know, EVs, particularly in California. Maybe if you could just talk about, you know, just strategy behind the evolution of EVs in the truck market.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Yeah. You know, we don't own any trucks, so it's a little bit different for us as opposed to an asset-based carrier. Our, you know, our BCOs, they're typically going out and buying used trucks that are a little bit older than what you see out there in the industry. If EVs start to become popular, they'll be buying those in 10 years, you know. It's just right now we do long haul freight, 700-750 miles, and it's not, you know, the electric vehicles really aren't conducive to that yet or even on the heavy haul loads, you got 80,000 pounds. So I think that market dynamic shifts for us later than it would for most.

I think the regional carriers, the short haul lines, stuff like that, will move into those EVs quicker than you'll see the long haul transport heavy haul guys move it.

Stephanie Moore
Director of Equity Research, Truist Securities

Great. Well, thank you so much.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Yeah. We have trailers, and one thing we do with our trailers, we do put the, you know, wind resistant, you know, low-resistance tires on them just for environmental purposes. So we kind of comply with any regulation and try and do our best as it relates to things we can't control.

Stephanie Moore
Director of Equity Research, Truist Securities

Great. Well, I really appreciate the time.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Any more questions or close out?

Operator

We have two more questions in the queue, sir.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

All right, we'll take those two and then we'll shut it down.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Scott Schneeberger of Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Scott Schneeberger
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Oppenheimer

Thanks. Just, we're here at the end, so I'll be brief. I guess, Fred, on the $50 -$55 million a quarter on SG&A, thanks for spending so much time on that. Is the Q2 going to be the high watermark because of the convention? I wasn't sure from the comments. Should we expect it higher in the third and the Q4 than the second? Then a quick follow-up. Thanks.

Fred Pensotti
VP and CFO, Landstar System

Yeah, it will step up in the Q2 and then, you know, I wouldn't expect that kind of trend to continue 'cause, you know, we'll be pretty close to that $55 million mark by the Q2 'cause, you know, that's when we have our big event. Then you'll have the absence of the event in the Q3, but then some of the other things that I talked about will kind of take its place, so to speak. You know, think of it more of a step up and then a little bit more consistent later.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Yeah, Scott, we're on a July 1st raise cycle here for almost everybody in the organization. What happens is the $2 million in compensation gets absorbed. You expect that to come down in the Q3, but it doesn't because then we elevate the wages climb up in the Q3, so they kind of counter balance each other. Your Q1 is probably your low water mark, and then you're kind of even in the back three, considering, you know, depending on what happens with our variable comp programs.

Scott Schneeberger
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Oppenheimer

Thanks, appreciate it. Yeah, I'll turn it over since there's someone else in queue. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. Our last question is coming from the line of Elliot Alper from TD Cowen. Your line is open.

Elliot Alper
VP of Equity Research, TD Cowen

Great. Thank you, and just one from me. Could you discuss any impact, if at all, that COVID had on the driver pool in the Q4? Looking into 2022, how's your new agent network trending and kind of what are your expectations about agent growth this year?

Joe Beacom
VP and Chief Safety and Operations Officer, Landstar System

Elliot, this is Joe. We really haven't seen any impact in the sense of count. I think that all year long we may have, and it's hard to really pinpoint, we may have seen a little bit of utilization impact if we had BCOs that were out with COVID or who were maybe being a little more cautious as to how much they were out, but no significant impact to the count. We're pretty happy with the growth in 2021. I'll turn it over to Rob for your second question.

Rob Brasher
VP and Chief Commercial Officer, Landstar System

Yeah. Elliot, on the agent side, we continue to have a robust pipeline. I think that's because again, the capabilities of Landstar, the ability to, a lot of people come to us as they have customers, they have relationships, and they can't supply the capacity, they can't supply the service that they have. They come to us because we tend to be able to deliver that service and that capacity for them. Looking forward, I expect our agent adds to continue much like it did last year and our agent revenue to continue in the same fashion.

Elliot Alper
VP of Equity Research, TD Cowen

Thanks, guys.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I show no further questions. I would like to turn the call back over to you, sir, for closing remarks.

Jim Gattoni
President and CEO, Landstar System

Yeah, thank you, and I look forward to speaking with you again on our 2022 Q1 earnings conference call, currently scheduled for April 21st. Have a good day.

Operator

Thank you for joining the conference call today. Have a good morning. Please disconnect your lines at this time.

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