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Earnings Call: Q1 2018

Apr 27, 2018

Speaker 1

Day, and welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the Moody's Corporation First Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, I would like to inform you that this conference is being recorded and that all participants are in a listen only mode. At the request of the company, we will open the conference up for question and answers following the presentation. I will now turn the conference over to Steve Mayer, Global Head of Investor Relations and Communications. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us on this teleconference to discuss Moody's Q1 2018 results as well as our current outlook for full year 2018. I am Steve Mayer, Global Head of Investor Relations and Communications. This morning, Moody's released its results for the Q1 of 2018 as well as our current outlook for full year 2018. The earnings press release and the presentation to accompany this teleconference are both available on our website at ir.moody's.com.

Ray McDaniel, Moody's President and Chief Executive Officer, will lead this morning's conference call. During this call, we will be presenting non GAAP or adjusted figures. To view the nearest equivalent GAAP figures and GAAP reconciliations, please refer to our earnings release that was filed this morning. Before we begin, I'll call your attention to the Safe Harbor language, which can be found toward the end of our earnings release. Today's remarks may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

In accordance with the act, I also direct your attention to the management's discussion and analysis section and the risk factors discussed in our annual report on Form 10 ks for the year ended December 31, 2017, and in other SEC filings made by the company, which are available on our website and on the SEC's website. These, together with the Safe Harbor statement, set forth important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any such forward looking statements. I would also like to point out that members of the media may be on the call this morning in a listen only mode. I'll now turn the call over to Ray McDandall.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you, Steve. Good morning and thank you to everyone for joining today's call. I will begin by summarizing Moody's Q1 2018 financial results. Steve is going to help me out with the prepared remarks by following up with some Q1 financial details and operating highlights.

I will then conclude with comments on our current outlook for 2018. After our prepared remarks, we will be happy to respond to your questions. In the Q1, Moody's achieved record revenue of $1,100,000,000 a 16% increase from the Q1 of 2017, reflecting not only a strong contribution from Bureau Van Dijk, but also solid organic growth from Moody's Analytics, Moody's Investor Service contributed broad based transaction revenue growth, particularly from structured finance activity, as well as recurring revenue growth as 20 seventeen's new rating mandates became monitored credits. Operating expenses for the Q1 of 2018 totaled $636,000,000 up 20% from the prior year period, including 12 percentage points attributable to Bureau Van Dijk operating expenses, amortization of acquired intangible assets and non recurring acquisition related expenses. Operating income was $491,000,000 up 10% from the Q1 of 2017.

Adjusted operating income of $541,000,000 was up 13%. Foreign currency translation favorably impacted operating income and adjusted operating income by 4% each. The operating margin was 43.6 percent and the adjusted operating margin was 48%. Moody's diluted EPS for the quarter was $1.92 per share, up 8% from the Q1 of 2017. Adjusted diluted EPS for the quarter was $2.02 per share, up 35% and excludes $0.10 per share related to amortization of acquired intangible assets and acquisition related expenses.

1st quarter 2017 adjusted diluted EPS primarily excludes a $0.31 per share gain from strategic realignment and expansion involving Moody's China affiliate CCXI. Our business remains well positioned to benefit from continued global economic expansion in 2018 and as such we are affirming our full year 2018 guidance of $7.20 to $7.40 for diluted EPS and $7.65 to $7.85 for adjusted diluted EPS. I'll now turn the call back over to Steve to provide further commentary on our financial results and other updates.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Ray. I'll begin with revenue at the company level. As Ray mentioned, Moody's total revenue for the Q1 was a record $1,100,000,000 up 16%. U. S.

Revenue was $598,000,000 was up 3%. Non U. S. Revenue of $529,000,000 was up 33% and represented 47 percent of Moody's total revenue. Recurring revenue of $603,000,000 was up 26% and represented 54% of total revenue.

Foreign currency translation favorably impacted Moody's revenue by 4%. Looking now at each of our businesses, starting with Moody's Investor Service. Total MIS revenue for the quarter was $720,000,000 up 8%. U. S.

Revenue increased 3% to $433,000,000 Non U. S. Revenue of $287,000,000 was up 17% and represented 40% of total MIS revenue. Foreign currency translation favorably impacted MIS revenue by 3%. Moving to the lines of business for MIS.

1st, corporate finance revenue for the Q1 was $378,000,000 up 7 percent. This result reflected strong contribution from Unia Bank loans and U. S. Investment grade as well as growth in recurring revenue resulting from an increase in new mandates in 20 17. U.

S. And non U. S. Corporate finance revenues were up 1% 20%, respectively. 2nd, structured finance revenue totaled $130,000,000 up 29%.

This result reflected broad strength in securitization markets with particularly strong levels of new CLO formation. U. S. And non U. S.

Structured finance revenues were up 30% 28% respectively. 3rd, Financial Institutions revenue of $114,000,000 was up 2 percent. This result reflected growth in issuance from the EMEA Banks and U. S. Insurance Companies, partially offset by a decrease in activity from Asian and U.

S. Banks. U. S. Financial Institutions revenue was down 4%, while non U.

S. Revenue was up 7%. 4th, public project and infrastructure finance revenue of $93,000,000 was down 5%. This result primarily reflected a decrease in U. S.

Municipal issuance due to the loss of tax exemptions for advanced refunding transactions. U. S. Public project and infrastructure finance revenue was down 15%, while non U. S.

Revenue was up 13%. Turning now to Moody's Analytics. Total revenue for MA of $407,000,000 was up 33%. U. S.

Revenue of 160 $4,000,000 was up 6%, while non U. S. Revenue of $243,000,000 was up 60% and represented 60% of total MA revenue. Foreign currency translation favorably impacted MA revenue by 4%. Organic MA revenue for the 1st quarter 2018 was $333,000,000 up 9% from the prior year period.

Moving now to the lines of business for Amoeba's Analytics. First, research data and analytics or RD and A revenue of $269,000,000 was up 53%. U. S. RD and A revenue was up 11% and non U.

S. RD and A revenue more than doubled. Bureau Van Dijk's revenue contribution approximately $74,000,000 included a $10,000,000 reduction as a result of a deferred revenue adjustment required under acquisition accounting rules. Organic RD and A revenue was $196,000,000 up 12% from the Q1 of 2017 driven by strength in sales of credit research and ratings data feeds. 2nd, Enterprise Risk Solutions or ERS revenue of $100,000,000 was up 4% from the prior year period.

This result reflected strength in software subscription revenues, partially offset by revenue decline for one time projects and licenses. U. S. ERS revenue was down 4%, while non U. S.

Revenue was up 11%. Trailing 12 months revenue for ERS increased 6 percent, while sales were approximately flat. We continue to make progress on shifting the mix of the ERS business to emphasize higher margin products with trailing 12 month product sales up 5% and service sales down 14%. Recurring revenue represented 81% of total ERS revenue in the Q1 of 20 18, up from 76% in the prior year period. Finally, professional services revenue of $38,000,000 was up 5%.

U. S. Professional services revenue was down 4% while non U. S. Revenue was up 10%.

Turning now to operating expenses. Moody's 1st quarter operating expenses totaled $636,000,000 up 20% from the prior year period. 12 percentage points of this increase attributable to Bureau Van Dijk operating expenses, amortization of acquired intangible assets and acquisition related expenses. Other drivers of expense growth include additional compensation expense for merit increases and hiring. Foreign currency translation unfavorably impacted operating expenses by 3 percent.

On January 1, 2018, the company adopted the new ASC 606 revenue accounting standard using the modified retrospective approach. The impact of adoption was immaterial to both revenues and expenses in the Q1 of 2018. The impact of ASC 606 is expected to be immaterial to Moody's Corporation in the remainder of the year. However, it could create some quarterly volatility. As Ray mentioned, Moody's operating margin was 43.6% and adjusted operating margin was 48%.

Moody's effective tax rate for the Q1 of 2018 was 14.6%, down from 23.4% in the prior year period. The decline in the tax rate reflects the lower U. S. Statutory tax rate, net uncertain tax position benefits related to a statute of limitation expiration and a higher benefit related to the tax accounting for equity compensation. Now I'll provide an update on capital allocation.

During the Q1 of 2018, Moody's repurchased approximately 300,000 shares at a total cost of $43,000,000 or an average cost of $161.10 per share. Moody's also issued a net 1,200,000 shares as part of its employee stock based compensation plan. The net amount includes shares withheld for employees' payroll taxes. Moody's also returned $84,000,000 to its shareholders via dividend payments. And on April 24, the Board of Directors declared a regular quarterly dividend of $0.44 per share of Moody's common stock.

This dividend will be payable on June 11, 2018 to stockholders of record at the close of business on May 21, 2018. Outstanding shares as of March 31, 2018 totaled 191,900,000 approximately flat to a year ago. As of March 31, 2018, Moody's had approximately $500,000,000 of share repurchase authority remaining. At quarter end, Moody's had $5,500,000,000 of outstanding debt and $910,000,000 of additional borrowing capacity available under its revolving credit facility. Total cash, cash equivalents and short term investments at quarter end were $1,400,000,000 an increase of 16% from December 31, 2017.

Cash flow from operations for the 1st 3 months of 2018 was $392,000,000 an increase from negative $512,000,000 in the prior year period. Free cash flow for the 1st 3 months of 2018 was $377,000,000 an increase from negative $531,000,000 in the prior year period. These increases in cash flow were largely due to payments the company made in the Q1 of 2017 pursuant to its 2016 settlement with the U. S. Department of Justice and various states attorneys general.

And with that, I will turn the call back over to Ryan.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thanks, Steve. Before discussing the changes to our full year guidance for 2018, I'd like to provide some highlights on our progress with Bureau Van Dijk integration and synergy activities. After nearly 9 months since closing the acquisition, our integration efforts are on track. We have met our legal and regulatory requirements and executed cost reductions without disruption to the business.

In March, we completed a rightsizing program to realize efficiencies across the combined employee base, thus reducing compensation expense. Having co located Moody's Analytics and Bureau Van Dijk's staff in 7 cities and with consolidation of additional offices expected through year end, we are well positioned significant reductions in real estate costs. We've applied Moody's Analytics sales operations practices to Bureau Van Dijk in order to gain increased sales productivity. By pursuing joint marketing efforts in specialized product areas, we are building a solid pipeline of near term cross selling opportunities. In short, we are making good progress on the synergies that we anticipated when we announced the transaction and the legacy Bureau Van Dijk business continues to deliver results consistent with its historical performance.

I will conclude this morning's prepared comments by discussing the changes to our full year guidance for 2018. A complete list of Moody's guidance is included in Table 12 of our Q1 2018 earnings press release, which can be found on the Moody's Investor Relations website at ir.moodys.com. Moody's outlook for 2018 is based on assumptions about many geopolitical conditions and macroeconomic and capital market factors, including interest rates, foreign currency exchange rates, corporate profitability and business investment spending, mergers and acquisitions, consumer borrowing and securitization and the amount of debt issued. These assumptions are subject to uncertainty and results for the year could differ materially from our current outlook. Our outlook assumes foreign currency translation at end of quarter exchange rates.

Specifically, our forecast reflects exchange rates for the British pound of $1.40 to 1 pound and for the euro of $1.23 to €1. We are now expecting corporate finance revenue to increase in the mid single digit percent range. Structured finance revenue is now expected to increase in the high single digit percent range. Before turning the call over to Q and A, I would like to provide an update on Moody's corporate social responsibility strategy. Earlier this week, we launched a global approach to CSR focused on empowering people around the world with the information, resources and confidence they need to create a better future for themselves, their communities and the environment.

We also announced ReShape Tomorrow, our signature financial empowerment initiative to help people succeed in growing small businesses. ReShape tomorrow will provide small business owners access to vital information about the credit process and help them connect with sources of financing. Moody's is seeking partnership proposals from organizations for ReShape Tomorrow programs and resources that provide essential financial knowledge to increase their chances of success. For more information and to submit a proposal, please see the CSR press release that we issued on April 24 or visit moodys.com/csr. This concludes our prepared remarks and joining Steve and me for the question and answer session are Mark Almeida, President of Moody's Analytics and Rob Falber, President of Moody's Investor Service.

We'd be pleased to take any questions you may have.

Speaker 1

Thank And our first question comes from Connor Fitzgerald with Goldman Sachs.

Speaker 3

Hi, good morning.

Speaker 2

Good morning.

Speaker 3

Just wanted to get a little dig

Speaker 4

in a little bit on the recurring revenue on the rating side where you had a pretty good quarter, particularly in Corporate Finance. Just can you talk a little bit about the trends you're seeing in this space and how sustainable you think the pace of growth is?

Speaker 3

Sure. Happy to Conor. And I'll ask Rob Favritoff for some initial thoughts on that.

Speaker 5

Yes. So I think your first question was around recurring revenue. So similar to the Q4, among other things, we saw increases in monitored credits, particularly in Europe and Asia where we've seen some very strong first time mandate growth and we also got a modest benefit from FX. And if you recall, we had over 1,000 first time mandates in 2017. So that's helping support the current revenue growth.

And I think your second question was around corporate generally. So looking at corporate issuance, globally it was down somewhere in the neighborhood of 20%. Obviously our CFG revenues were up. We benefited from some favorable mix, some good commercial execution, the higher new mandates that I mentioned, monitored credit growth and FX. We also saw some good growth in other transaction revenue and that includes our rating assessment service that's typically driven by M and A activity.

And in the rest of world, the issuance declines were really largely confined to European investment grade issuers, which mitigated the revenue impact to some extent.

Speaker 3

Yes. And I would just add that, as far as recurring revenue at MIS, to the extent that is driven off of new rating mandates and we're benefiting from the strength of that in 2017, We do expect another robust year for new rating mandates in 2018.

Speaker 2

And Connor, let me just take the opportunity to give an update on what we're hearing from The Street as we do every quarter. And again, keep in mind, these are consolidated consensus views from a variety of different large investment banks. It includes both financial and non financial, though it doesn't necessarily align with the way we categorize revenue. But hopefully, we'll be instructed to at least what we're hearing on the ground in the bond markets here in the U. S.

And in EMEA. So for investment grade, guidance for full year levels are about $1,200,000,000,000 that's down roughly 5% to 10% from over record levels in 20 17. Overall conditions remained stable and fundamentals remained relatively strong and we're seeing a solid pipeline out front. This week, for instance, in other words, around $20,000,000,000 of investment grade, I think calling next week for slightly higher than that as earnings blackout start to roll off in May, which is typically a fairly active month is from what we're hearing is shaping up to be so. Credit spreads have widened in the Q1 given equity market volatility but rallied a bit in April.

The Barclays Bloomberg Aggregate Bond Index is roughly 10 basis wider year to date though. So it's the round trip is showing sort of modest widening on a year to date basis. And then the other thing I'd point out some cash repatriators have been out the market so far in Q1, so let's keep an eye on that. Moving to high yield, the forecast for full year volumes $275,000,000,000 that's about flat to 2017. Equity market volatility and interest rate hikes we've already seen one so far this year.

The Fed is or futures market is pricing in between 2 and 3 incremental hikes likely. The next one will be in June with a 90% plus probability. Issuance to date has primarily been driven by refinancings in the high yield bond market, but demand from investors remain strong. And the credit spreads there, I would say similar story to investment grade in terms of the journey that they've taken year to date given the tightening in January and then selling off in February March and then some rallying over the last several weeks. But year to date relatively unchanged on credit spreads for high yield bonds.

On leverage loan side, full year forecast that we're hearing is roughly $500,000,000,000 Again, this is flat to down 10% on what was really just a gangbuster year for this asset class in 2017, so a very high base. The leverage loan market does remain strong, spreads are narrow and it's obviously an attractive asset class in a rising rate environment. Repricing and refinancing activity still remains robust. That was a big driver last year and we're seeing that trend continue. Full year 2018 expected to be slightly down as I mentioned from what was a record for 2017 with some potential upside if we see M and A activity accelerate or rising rates creates more demand for floating rate paper than we've already seen.

Moving to Europe. On the investment grade side, issuance has picked up from the beginning of the year. Demand remains solid is what we're hearing. Spreads have moved a bit wider from the beginning of the year, but remained tight by historical standards, so similar dynamic to what we're seeing on U. S.

Dollar spreads investment grade. The euro area continues to see strong growth in GDP and corporate profits. So that's a happy condition. On spec grade side, both high yield and leverage loan markets are in good shape, though issuance levels face tough comps over what was a strong 2017. And spreads are narrowed due to strong demand fueling opportunistic issuance.

Our pipeline is healthy and similar to the U. S. Driven by refinancings and repricings. So hope that helps.

Speaker 4

Very helpful. Thank you. And then just one on capital and capital return. Cash was up at the end of the quarter. I know you've got some debt pay downs coming in as we get through the rest of the year.

But I just want to get your updated thoughts on what you're thinking about doing with the free cash flow. I think based on your guidance, you still have a little extra wiggle room if I should put all the moving pieces together for buybacks, debt pay down, etcetera. So just wanted to get your updated thoughts. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. Our thinking there really hasn't changed, Conor. We've been very upfront really since we announced the Bureau Van Dijk acquisition that our near term priority would be deleveraging from the debt that we took on finance that acquisition. We haven't come off that. As you know, we took down our share repurchase target for 2017 to 200,000,000 dollars 2018 the same amount and that's enough to offset dilution from employee share issuance.

So we're still marching along those same lines. To the extent that we are able to reach our leverage targets sooner than we expected, I would say at this point we are a bit ahead of pace than we had initially thought, then we'll of course reevaluate what we want to do there. But right now near term it's absolutely prepaying debt.

Speaker 4

Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 1

And we'll take our next question from Toni Kaplan with Morgan Stanley.

Speaker 6

Hi, good morning.

Speaker 2

Good morning. So you

Speaker 6

had a good quarter in Corporate Finance, revenue up basically 7% globally and really difficult comp in that business. So I think I was just a little bit surprised that the revenue guide for the year, you lowered it. And so can you just talk about, I guess, you just talked about like what's going on in the markets, but I'm just not totally sure as to what to think for the rest of the year given the lower guide, but okay Q1?

Speaker 3

Yes. Rob may want to provide some color, but the high level answer is, we do have a moderation of issuance expectations for U. S. High yield and EMEA investment grade bonds. And you add to that, what we anticipate will be an adverse shift in foreign currency translation.

And that's really contributing to the modest reset in our guidance.

Speaker 6

Great. And then for Moody's Analytics, we noticed that the margins were maybe about 200 basis points were up about 200 basis points, but they were down sequentially from sort of the second half of twenty seventeen. And so we're just wondering if you had to sort of look at the legacy business margin expansion as opposed to just BVD being included? How should we think about the legacy margin expansion if you exclude that? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes. Mark, do you want to try and address that? Yes. Toni, we did have what we thought was good year on year margin expansion and moreover, we've got another quarter of margin expansion on a trailing 12 months basis. I think that's 5 consecutive quarters now that on a trailing 12 months basis, the margin is expanding.

And that's really the number that we focus on because you can get some weird things going on with the numbers if you look at any one discrete quarter. But the margin expansion is coming from both the legacy business as well as from Euro Van Dijk. Both pieces are contributing to expansion. And that's in spite of the haircut on the Bureau of Van Dijk revenue associated with the accounting and also the extra overhead allocation that Moody's Analytics is now attracting because of the growth in the scale of the business relative to MIS with the addition of Bureau Van Dijk. So we're actually we're quite pleased with the way the margin is expanding and we feel like we really are delivering on what we talked about with respect to delivering consistent gradual progress in expanding the margin and again focusing very heavily on the trailing 12 months performance rather than the discrete quarters.

Speaker 2

And I would just comment too Tony on the deferred revenue haircut Mark just mentioned. We experienced $10,000,000 of it this quarter. So we're most of the way through it. We've got about $5,000,000 and some change left. Dollars 5 should likely hit next quarter and then Q3 it will be largely done.

And after that it goes away. So that will be a nice uplift for us. Great.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Speaker 1

And our next question comes from Alex Kramm with UBS.

Speaker 7

Yes. Hey, staying on, I guess, BVD and analytics for a minute here. I think a lot of people were surprised this morning by the revenue performance in RD and A and in particular in BVD. So maybe you can talk about a little bit more why maybe some of us got that wrong in terms of the seasonality and how this will ramp throughout the year. But maybe most importantly, I think the adjusted number for BVD was flat quarter over quarter.

So I guess I would have expected some growth in particular given that FX was helpful. So maybe a little bit more color would be great.

Speaker 3

Sure. Mark? Yes. Alex, taking the your second point first, The Bureau Van Dijk numbers, if you add back the haircut to what we reported, you're right that it's flat from the Q4 to the Q1. What you're missing there is that we did take a hit to the top line in the Q1 because of the transition to the new accounting standard ASC 606.

That did hurt us on the top line. We also had some timing delays in closing some of our renewal contracts that really relates to operational matters as opposed to commercial matters. We don't have issues with the customers or with the business, but we just didn't get some of those contracts booked in the Q1 as expected. But we expect to get them shortly and we will see an acceleration. We'll have a catch up on the revenue recognition once we get those booked.

So that's what's going on there. The underlying business is performing well. As Ray said, it's very much in line with, if not better than the historical standalone performance of the business. So, we feel very good about what's happening there. And then on the other point, I think that what you're seeing is that we do expect RD and A's growth rate to accelerate, particularly in the second half of the year.

You need to keep in mind that what's happening here is that in the as we get into the Q3, Bureau Van Dijk's numbers will start to roll into our organic calculations because we will have had them in in the half of the third quarter and the full fourth quarter of 2017. And as Steve just pointed out, that deferred revenue haircut will go away. So we're going to see very healthy growth in the organic RD and A figures as we get into the second half of the year.

Speaker 2

And then I guess just one other point I would make, Alex. You made a comment about expecting a nice lift from FX. The average rate on the euro really wasn't materially different in Q4 versus Q1. Obviously, the euro strengthened pretty meaningfully last year, but most of that took place sort of early to mid year. So it was relatively flat quarter to quarter.

Speaker 7

Okay. Fair enough. I thought it was up 4%, 5%, but it's okay. I'll double check. Anyways, and then secondly, just quickly, I think when you gave the update on the issuance outlook, leveraged loans were still cited as an area of strength.

And I think your colleagues said this yesterday too with flows into bond funds and demand for variable paper. But LIBOR has certainly been coming up a lot. So while spreads are tight and there's demand, what about the corporate side? I mean, are we is there a point where some of these high yield issuers are seeing the variable rates just too high? Or do you think we're still pretty far away from that?

Any color would be helpful.

Speaker 3

Yes. This is Ray. Just the absolute borrowing costs are still attractive. And I think there's room even in a rising rate environment for borrowing conditions to remain attractive. We may see later in the year some rebalancing between the relative attractiveness of floating versus fixed rate paper really depends on both policy and market reactions to policy on interest rates.

So we'll see, but we do see a broadly positive environment for borrowing continuing.

Speaker 7

That's helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 1

And we'll take our next question from Manav Patnaik with Barclays.

Speaker 8

Thank you. I guess you answered my question I had on BVD, but maybe if you do the rest of the Moody's Analytics business, I guess, I think the organic growth of 9% you called out, I believe that includes FX benefit, right? So if I assume it's about 4% to 5% growth, I guess, can you just help understand, it feels a little slower than we would have expected. Any moving pieces, maybe timing in the other pieces of RD and A, ERS and so forth?

Speaker 3

Yes, Manav, there was a there's a little bit of timing there. And like I said, we do expect acceleration in the growth rate as we get into the second half of the year. But bear in mind, we guided to low double digit growth for MA organically and we came in at 9% in Q1. So, and of course, our guidance includes our expectations about FX. So, I think things are running substantially as we expected.

We don't see a big deviation from, where our guidance is and where we see the business performing.

Speaker 8

That's fair. But I guess if I do a true organic constant currency number, that 9% is probably 4% or 5%. And so I was just we've always thought that it should be more high single digit growth. So is there some so does timing explain why that isn't higher, I suppose, I guess, was what I was trying to get at?

Speaker 3

Well, our R and A organically, constant currency is up 7% in the Q1. So again, it feels pretty solid to us.

Speaker 8

Okay. That's fair. And then just a follow-up, maybe just on the backdrop. It sounds like you guys still remain constructive on the it was pretty strong, obviously, in the quarter, like how much do you think it was pretty strong obviously in the quarter, like how much of that do you think was pull forward and you see weakness and so forth? I know pull forward is a word we've been using for many years now, but just some thoughts there would be helpful.

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, as we talked about a little earlier in the year, our expectations for a robust issuance environment were relying more on global GDP growth, economic momentum, mergers and acquisition activity, as opposed to refinancing that was going to be needed because of maturing debt in 2018. That being said, you're correct. We have had a continuing pull forward narrative and dialogue. And so as interest rates increase in 2018, we have to look out to 2019, 2020 and see what corporations are thinking about the utility of refinancing in 2018 with rates where they are now versus their expectations for rates in 2019, 2020.

And we will have to watch and see where those decisions get made.

Speaker 8

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 1

And we'll take our next question from Joseph Foresi with Cantor Fitzgerald.

Speaker 3

Hi. I was wondering if you could be a little bit more specific on what caused the renewal delays or timing in RD and A and how you rectified it? Mark? Sure. It's really it's pretty simple.

And frankly, we've seen this before with some when we've acquired subscription businesses. The practices at Bureau Van Dijk have not historically been as rigorous as we do things in Moody's Analytics. And we haven't quite gotten the discipline around getting our renewal contracts signed and booked on a timely basis. I think we're making progress in getting them with the program and getting that work done the way we get it done across Moody's Analytics. But we haven't quite gotten them to the level that we'd like.

So that's really what I was referring to. It's not a massive amount of business, but it does affect our numbers a little bit in the Q1. But as I said, we fully expect to get those sorted out in short order and we'll have the revenue catch up once they get booked. I should note that attrition in the business is holding very steady at kind of their historical experience. So we don't see any problems with the underlying business.

It's really just an operational matter. Okay. Thanks. And just to go back to guidance, why not raise the guidance at least on the margins or the earnings side of things? Is there a change you're expecting to the cost structure?

Or was that due to the lower revenue outlook you mentioned a little bit earlier? Yes. It's I hope we are being cautious on the top line outlook. But we have some robust comps that we are going to be lapping for the rest of the year. And we are in an environment where rates are moving up at least modestly, spreads have widened out a bit.

So we're taking a, I think, a prudent, but you might say cautious approach to what the top line opportunity is for the rest of the year.

Speaker 2

And Joe, I would just add, just to give an update to help you with your modeling on the expense ramp, we are expecting it still to increase between $60,000,000 $70,000,000 from Q1 to Q4. So the starting point is obviously now $6.36 which is actually right in line with what we talked about on the last call. So we're still expecting growth as we move through the year. So that's part of why we're being thoughtful about our guidance on the margin.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 1

And our next question comes from Peter Appert with Piper Jaffray.

Speaker 9

Thank you. Good morning. So Mark, I want to make sure I fully understand the impact of deferred revenue at PVD on the profitability. Is it correct to say that you're deferring revenue at all costs have to be recognized as incurred and therefore you're perhaps understating the margins currently and we might anticipate some fairly meaningful spike in margin in the 3rd Q4, if I have this right?

Speaker 3

Yes. You understand that perfectly, Peter. I mean, the only tweak I might make to what you said is just the I forget now what exactly what words you used, but you maybe said it with a bit more bigger than I would have in terms of the amount of additional margin we'll see when we stop haircutting the top line with these accounting adjustments. But yes, absolutely, we're absorbing and we're recording all of the expense, but we're not recording all of the revenue on the P and L.

Speaker 9

Is it possible to quantify that a bit more than in terms of, for example, in the Q1, you deferred $10,000,000 of revenue. Would that imply if this is a 40 percent margin business, the operating income would have otherwise been $4,000,000 higher?

Speaker 3

Well, I mean, you did the math, right? Yes.

Speaker 2

Okay.

Speaker 3

Peter, just to clarify, the deferred revenue haircut would have added $10,000,000 to the top line and there would be taxes on that. But otherwise, there's no additional expense associated with it. We're recognizing all of the expenses. Correct.

Speaker 2

And also just a reminder to everyone how that works. The majority of it was taken in Q3 and Q4 of last year. So it was roughly 50 all in, about 39 of that was taken a little north of 50, 39 that was taken in 2017 in Q3 and Q4. And so the remainder of the $16,000,000 is left in 2018. And again, we recognized the $10,000,000 this quarter, projecting $5,000,000 next quarter and then there's just very trace amount.

Speaker 8

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 1

And we'll take our question from Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets.

Speaker 10

Thanks so much. I was wondering if we can get an update on the CFO search.

Speaker 3

Sure. It's ongoing. We've seen some excellent candidates. We have good candidates both inside Moody's and we are conducting an external search as well. I hope to be able to close out the search in the near future, but it's still in process.

Speaker 10

Okay. And when you say near future, can you remind me, have you put a time expectation on that beforehand?

Speaker 3

Well, I'd like to have it done today, but I want to make sure that we get the best possible candidate. So I'm not going to put a deadline on it. I'm just going to

Speaker 4

keep working at it.

Speaker 10

I understand. I appreciate that. And just one quick numbers question. I know the tax rate was lower this quarter. You highlighted some of the items.

What should we be using going forward for the tax rate for our models?

Speaker 2

Yes. No, that's fair. It was quite a bit lower and we commented on the last call to expect exactly that. We had estimated excess tax benefit related to the stock comp accounting of roughly $40,000,000 for the year and we said that it was going to be weighted toward the Q1. In fact, it was about 75 percent, dollars 30,000,000 was taken in the Q1.

There's $10,000,000 or so remaining that will be fairly evenly spread out. So that was one piece that was impacting the tax rate. Another item that you really wouldn't have Q1 from a statute of limitations expiration on some certain tax uncertain tax positions that we had reserved for. So we reversed those out, so that further brought down the ETR. So going forward, Jeff, obviously, 14.6% in Q1, we haven't changed our guidance of 22% to 23%.

So the math would indicate that it's going to likely have to be slightly higher than that 22% to 23% for the remaining quarters in order to average out to the 22% to 2023% guidance.

Speaker 10

Okay. Thanks so much for the color.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Speaker 1

Then we'll take our next question from Craig Huber with Huber Research Partners.

Speaker 11

Thank you. Ray, would you mind just talking further about your outlook here for bank loan issuance for the rest of the year here? I know you talked about the banks thought I think it would be down be flat to down 5% in the U. S. What is your thought for the year on how that will play out here in this environment?

Speaker 3

We as you saw for bank loans, we had a good Q1. There was a lot of strength in our European bank loan business, and I will let Rob provide a little more color on that. But overall, we are looking at flat to slightly up revenue expectations for bank loans for the full year, which would be a little bit better than what we're expecting in terms of the direction of issuance volume, which would be slightly down. So we think that we have opportunities to increase our coverage in bank loans. And again, I would point to strength in Europe that we've seen.

And Rob, I don't know if there's anything you wanted to add on that.

Speaker 5

Yes. That's right, Ray. I think we're seeing a very active bank loan market. I think we have to keep in mind when we're talking about the issuance outlook for the full year, we're coming off a year where global issuance last year was something north of 30% growth I believe. The bank loan market has been a bit more active than the high yield market.

We're seeing a lot of first time issuers come through the bank line market. We're also seeing a lot of issuers that are rated very low in the credit spectrum. As Ray said, in Europe, we saw some nice revenue growth in bank loans on generally flattish issuance this quarter. The issuance mix worked in our favor there. Leveraged loan volumes in Europe, while again kind of flattish are at a record pace.

And there's very good M and A activity supporting the loan volumes there compared to the prior year quarter where we saw a bit more refi activity. And also in Europe, we've got institutional investors and CLO originators that have got very strong bids for these loans. So that's driving down the funding cost and keeping spreads tight for issuers there.

Speaker 3

And one thing I'd add on to Rob's comment is with some of these bank loan borrowers profiling at as a high credit risk, low rated entities, there is some potential volatility that could enter the equation if the default rates don't continue to decline. We believe they will through the year. But if there is an increase in default rates that makes those deep speculative grade names less attractive and they may not have market access.

Speaker 11

And also if I could just quickly ask 2 quick ones if I could. For BDD, what was the underlying growth rate if you put aside the revenue adjustment for accounting purposes? And then also the up 7.7% ratings revenue growth for the whole division, how much of that would you tie into being directly from the new mandates? Was it half of it coming from there? Roughly how much, please?

Speaker 3

I think it's going to be less than that, Craig. I don't have a number for you right away, but we can check on that. But it's not going to be the majority, no. On Bureau Van Dijk, Craig, we're not disclosing the precise numbers Bureau Van Dijk on a standalone basis. But suffice to say, it's performing at a rate that is very consistent with what we would have showed you when we announced the acquisition in terms of its historical growth rate.

Speaker 11

Mark, that historically was what 9%, 10%, so it's roughly not Yes,

Speaker 3

it was running in the high single digits around 9%.

Speaker 11

So you're suggesting pretty close to that then?

Speaker 4

Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 11

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 1

And our next question comes from Bill Warmington with Wells Fargo.

Speaker 12

Good afternoon, everyone. So, the first question for you on the structured finance segment. You highlighted the CLO and CMBS demand being particularly strong, but it also looked like the demand was really pretty broad. And I wanted to ask about what was driving that and then also to ask if there was any pull forward there to highlight?

Speaker 2

Yes.

Speaker 5

Let me take that. And I think you're right. Generally, we saw broadly higher securitization volumes. And you're right, we've called out U. S.

CLOs, but we've seen experienced some robust activity across a number of other sectors. Just to touch on CLOs, because it was such a big driver for the quarter. We've seen very strong refi activity on tighter spreads. We also saw a higher proportion of new CLO formation as a percent of total deals in the Q1, higher than any quarter that we had in 2017 and that's helped in part by the easing of risk retention. The U.

S. Obviously a bigger market for structured credit, but a similar story in Europe with European CLO volumes supported by refi. And as I had said earlier also a very hot leveraged loan market. We saw an uptick in CMBS deals and very robust ABS volume on very strong investor demand. In Europe, we saw RMBS volumes up and the Netherlands and the U.

K. Really benefiting volumes were benefiting from the conclusion of the Bank of England's term funding scheme in February, which was a cheap source of funding for banks. I would also note that Q1 was a little bit of an easier comp for structured. If you think all the way back to Q4 of 2016, we did see some pull forward because of the implementation of risk retention in the beginning of 2017. So it's a little bit of an easier comp as well.

Speaker 2

And also I would just add on to that. After this call, we will post on the IR website as we always do after earnings calls the breakdown of the components for the lines of business of revenue for the rating agency. And you'll see CLO quarter over quarter Q1 2017 and Q1 2018 structured credit line is up 58%, ABS up 24%, RMBS up 19%, so broad based strength across pretty much all the asset classes.

Speaker 12

Got it. And then for my follow-up question, I wanted to ask about the war for IT talent, which seems to be intensifying as you see tech services companies across verticals looking to leverage our artificial intelligence and machine learning. And I wanted to ask whether you're finding that you're able to get the talent you need and whether there are any changes that you're thinking about making to ensure that you continue to get the talent you need?

Speaker 3

I think broadly speaking, we do feel that we're able to attract very talented IT professionals, whether it's in our centralized IT function or embedded in the businesses. A lot of this is how attractive the opportunity is in terms of what we would have people working on, whether it's robotic process automation or product development, it is an attractive offering. You're correct that there is a lot of competition for the best people. So we've got to stay on top of that. We will adjust to make sure that we continue to retain our best people and recruit the best people.

And those adjustments, they may be financial, they may be in terms of job content, but we're paying attention to it like almost any organization today would. Mark, do you want to add to that? Yes. I'd just add that what we're also seeing is that there is a lot of talent available in many different locations around the world. Certainly, it's quite challenging if you're recruiting in San Francisco and New York City and some other major centers.

But, we've got operations in many different places around the world. We've got a big operation in Omaha, for example, and we find that to be a terrific source of talent. And in many of our other operational centers around the world, we're able to attract kind of talent we want. So I think having the broad based footprint that we have really helps us in that respect.

Speaker 12

Well, thank you very much. Appreciate the insight.

Speaker 1

And we'll take our next question from Tim McHugh with William Blair and Company.

Speaker 3

Thanks. One number is 1. Can you just update it on incentive comp? How much you accrued in the quarter? And I guess any change to the outlook versus what you're expecting for the full year now?

Speaker 2

Yes, sure, Tim. Happy to provide that. So for the Q1 incentive comp was $45,000,000 That was down 13% from Q1 of last year and 37 percent sequentially. As you know, we had to take that up pretty significantly in the back half of twenty seventeen as we raised guidance given the performance of the business. Going forward, I would say sort of the 50 ish number is probably the best way to think about it.

But as you know that will likely change depending on how the business performs, depending on what we do with guidance. But that I think is probably a good starting point.

Speaker 3

Okay, thanks. And then, ERS product sales on a trailing 12 month basis was actually a little slower. I get why services sale is something you've been deemphasizing, but I guess I was a little surprised about the pace of product sales growth. Is there anything happening there that you can elaborate on? I think Tim, it's performing pretty much as we expected.

I mean, I think we've got a number of new product launches that we've put into the market recently that have been very well received. Our new loan origination product is doing quite well. The product that we have in the market to help our customers comply with the new CECL accounting standard is being very well received. We have a very nice pipeline building there. And so we are if you drill down a little bit more into these numbers, you see that we've got continued double digit sales growth for renewable products, which is really where we're putting our emphasis.

I think we've got at least 5 or 6 quarters now of double digit growth in renewable product sales. So I think things are going very much in line with our transition. But we feel very good about some things that are happening in the business and that should play out very nicely for us over a longer period of time. Okay, great. Thank you.

Speaker 1

And our next question comes from Vincent Hung with Autonomous.

Speaker 8

Hi. How much of the non transaction revenue comes from rating assessment services? And if

Speaker 13

you can't give us that, what was it up year over year? Because I think S and P said it was up 40%.

Speaker 3

Our revenue from rating assessment services is not very significant to tell you the truth. I don't have the year on year growth rate in front of me. But again, it's not a material number.

Speaker 13

Okay. And on RD and A, if we think about the core RD and A excluding BVD, should we be looking at 12% organic as the right run rate for the rest of the year?

Speaker 3

Well, again, our guidance for RD and A organic is mid teens for this year. And we did 12% in the Q1. We expect that to accelerate, as I said, because we'll be layering in Bureau Van Dijk, which is going to help. So I guess you're asking me will am I expecting 12% growth from RD and A on an organic basis excluding Bureau Van Dijk? Is that the question?

Speaker 13

Yes, exactly.

Speaker 3

Yes. Again, that's I don't really have I don't think we can give you guidance at that granular level, but I would expect that the RD and A business organically would continue to perform at a level similar to what we did in the Q1 if you were to pull out the Bureau Van Dijk business. I don't see it. Let's put it this way, I wouldn't expect that business to the growth rate to be slowing.

Speaker 13

Great. Thanks.

Speaker 1

And our next question comes from Shlomo Rosenbaum with Stifel.

Speaker 14

Hi. Thank you for taking my questions. First, just a regular numbers question. What was the organic constant currency growth for the whole company? If you just kind of strip out both Buro Van Dijk and then the positive impact from FX, some of which went into Buro Van Dijk?

Speaker 2

Sure. Shlomo. Stripping, so we had said that 16% top line for Moody's Corporation, half of that was due to the contribution from Duro Van Dijk and the FX impact on all that revenue was 4%. So if you strip that out, they get you down to 4%.

Speaker 3

Yes. The thing is, Dan,

Speaker 14

if you take MIS at 5% and then MA seems to be kind of 9% when you take out BVD. It implies a little bit higher than that. That's what I'm trying to get at a number. It seems to be a little bit higher.

Speaker 2

No, that's the math, at least for the Q1.

Speaker 14

Okay. Can you comment a little bit on the dichotomy and the performance between the U. S. And outside the U. S.

For ERS and professional services?

Speaker 3

Yes, sure. I'll let Mark start with this and I may add a couple of comments on to it. Yes. I think a couple of things going on there. First, we had some pretty significant FX benefit, which is obviously impacting the business outside the U.

S. Also we had some very strong sales growth outside the U. S. In particularly in ERS last year related to work that we were doing associated with our customers' adoption of the IFRS 9 accounting standard. So that gave us some very good sales growth outside the U.

S. Last year relative to the U. S, which I think is now showing up in the U. S. Non U.

S. Revenue results.

Speaker 14

And professional services?

Speaker 3

Dan, a similar story, but in our 2 businesses within professional services, they both tend to be a little bit more heavily oriented toward customers outside the U. S. Than in the U. S. So I think it's just the nature of those businesses is such that we've just got a bigger base of customers and a bigger base of business to work with outside the U.

S. And to the extent that those businesses are performing better, we're seeing most of the improved growth outside the U. S.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 1

And we'll take our next question from Patrick O'Shaughnessy with Raymond James.

Speaker 4

Hey, good afternoon, guys.

Speaker 3

Hi, Patrick.

Speaker 4

So what's been the impact of tax reform on synthetic repatriation bond issuance thus far in 2018? I was reading the other day that the 10 largest holders overseas cash haven't tapped the U. S. Bond market so far this year after issuing roughly I think it's $80,000,000,000 or so last couple of years, but obviously that doesn't seem to weigh in on your corporate finance revenue so far?

Speaker 3

Now this follows up on a brief comment that Rob had made earlier that it is providing at least a modest headwind, but it is very concentrated in terms of the number of firms that have large cash hoards overseas and may not feel they want to tap the debt markets given that repatriated cash. So the numbers, if you look at the dollars, you might think it provides more of a headwind to our business than in fact it is. And I would just add that with so much of our business being in the spec grade sector, those are not companies that typically have a lot of overseas cash to bring back. So again, it is a headwind, not a serious one at this point.

Speaker 4

All right. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

And we'll take our next question from Alex Kramm with UBS.

Speaker 7

Hello again. I actually had a follow-up on the tax rate, but that got answered already. But a couple of things while I'm here, I guess. 1, I know you don't really give near term guidance, but would be interested with the commentary you've said in terms of the updated outlook, how you think about more near term? I mean, the 1 Q1 had on the MIS side this is, right, had a little bit of volatility, some of this volatility has persisted.

But typically, the Q2 gets a little bit of a seasonal bump from the 1Q. So I'm just wondering if you feel like seasonally the 2nd quarter should be stronger than 1Q just given seasonality, maybe some things were delayed and are coming in the second quarter or if it's just too uncertain of an environment. I guess, I would say you probably see the pipeline developing pretty real time. So any color will be great.

Speaker 5

Yes. Let me try that Alex. So I'm going to talk a little bit about kind of the pipeline and market tone and what we're seeing and what we're expecting. I think in general, I would say the pipelines look healthy. We've I would note that we've worked through a good bit of the big M and A backlog that we had earlier in the year, but we are also seeing M and A deals in kind of preliminary stages and we're seeing that through our rating assessment service.

We've also got a very good pipeline of first time mandates. So that gives us some visibility. We talked about in the spec grade market, spreads remain very tight. And as I said, we're seeing a lot of low rated issuers tapping the market, a very strong CLO bid for that kind of paper. I would also note just in terms of fund flows.

Flows. So on the high yield side after we saw a lot of outflows earlier in the year, we're starting to see some inflows back into high yield funds. We saw $3,000,000,000 in inflows last week. That was the largest week since mid December 20 16. And on the loan side, inflows continue to be strong.

We've had now 9 consecutive weeks of inflows. So I think we expect on the investment grade side, we're coming out of blackouts. We're seeing good activity and I think we expect steady issuance here in the second quarter.

Speaker 7

Great. And then maybe just lastly, Ray, I think M and A hasn't really come up as a topic. I know you're pretty busy integrating BVD still, but just curious about appetite right now as you look at the world and maybe also what the environment is like for deals in areas that you are interested in? I mean, is there a good bid ask or are things just too expensive or it's just not really anything out there that you are taking a look at?

Speaker 3

Well, things are always too expensive. So there's the starting point. No, we have an active corporate development function at Moody's M and A function. We look at a lot. As you know, we don't pull the trigger very often.

So there are things that we're looking at that are of interest to us, but it would be the same thing I would answer in any other quarter. There is nothing unusual going on in the M and A environment that is causing us to either step back and say, it's too rich for us or to say, we've got to act right now. This is the moment in time to pull a trigger. So we're being disciplined. We are looking and we'll see if something attractive is offered at a fair price.

Speaker 7

That's fair enough. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

And it appears there are no further questions at this time. Mr. Ray McDaniel, I'd like to turn the conference back to you for any additional or closing remarks.

Speaker 3

Okay. I just want to thank everyone for joining today's call, and we look forward to speaking with you again in the summer. Thanks.

Speaker 1

This concludes Moody's Q1 2018 earnings call. As a reminder, immediately following this call, the company will post the MIS revenue breakdown under the Q1 2018 earnings section of the Moody's IR homepage. Additionally, a replay of this call will be available after 3:30 pm Eastern Time on Moody's IR website. Thank you.

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